// #eevblog — 2021-09-21
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01:50:30 <arch> kimochii
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02:18:27 <arch> jaymax, you can get those Thinkcentre M720/M920Q for $220 used off eBay, and they have quad core CPUs (socketed CPU too!). runs off 19V. just get any DC-DC boost/flyback/sepic converter and you're all set
02:18:42 <arch> can even pop in a single slot low profile GPU
02:19:01 <arch> very very tiny computer
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02:36:45 <Nothing\> ahoy ahoy!
02:37:22 <Nothing\> man i'm tired. waking up 6 hours early really messes with yoru body's clock
02:37:32 <Nothing\> i feel like it's 6 or 7pm
02:49:06 <rust_collector> well, it is
02:52:36 <Nothing\> maybe for you mr lime
02:53:16 <Nothing\> that's right, you're not a brit are you?
02:53:21 <Nothing\> fin?
02:55:06 <rust_collector> heh... noooo... in between those
02:55:22 * Ampera attacks rust_collector with a salmon
02:55:52 <Nothing\> norway?
02:56:47 <rust_collector> hmm, maybe? I have heard about that...
03:04:22 <Ampera> how have you been doing rust_collector
03:06:09 <rust_collector> I have been doing awesome, I caused some meetings at work today. fun times
03:07:28 <Ampera> gotta love being able to waste people's time and get paid for it
03:09:06 <rust_collector> nah, they managed to waste their own time. my work was already done... twice.
03:09:14 <Ampera> did they waste your time?
03:09:41 <rust_collector> always, that is why I get paid to be there
03:09:53 <Ampera> ah right
03:10:12 <Ampera> are you any good at wasting time though?
03:10:15 <Nothing\> oh cool, i've got 22 karma on reddit now
03:10:19 <Nothing\> that wasn't hard at all
03:10:34 <Nothing\> i just made one random post and it got me all that karma overnight
03:10:40 <rust_collector> I am not reddit good at it, but...
03:11:01 <Nothing\> yeah i never cared for reddit, but there are some subs i wouldn't mind getting in on
03:11:02 <Ampera> what about getting wasted
03:11:11 <Nothing\> like the STEM related ones
03:11:31 <Nothing\> and i've found at least on youtube anyways, the STEM related channels don't seem to have as many idiots in the comments
03:11:50 <Nothing\> at least the real STEM ones, not the ones that just give the illusion of teaching you something while just being entertaining
03:11:55 <Nothing\> like, oh i dunno
03:12:00 <Nothing\> linus tech tips?
03:12:08 <Nothing\> i really can't think of any off the top of my head
03:12:29 <Nothing\> although linus doesn't seem too bad, i've come across some videos of his that were interesting
03:12:37 <Ampera> what do you do for work anyways rust_collector, I'm not sure if you ever said
03:12:48 <Ampera> if you don't mind saying anyways
03:14:03 <Nothing\> do you think amazon's trustworthy enough to buy a powerbank from? or do you think i'd be liable to get a 3000mah bank that really has a 1000mah cell in it and some sand
03:14:07 <arch> he's a hentai artist
03:14:15 <Nothing\> who is?
03:14:20 <Nothing\> linus?
03:14:24 <Ampera> arch, you need to stop projecting your dreams onto other people and be what you want to be, arch
03:14:43 <arch> very motivational speech, i love it
03:14:43 <Ampera> I'm so serious I had to mention your name twice
03:15:39 <Nothing\> lol i broke a lot of redditors
03:15:53 <Nothing\> i told them about the fingerprint smudge on your pipboy in fallout new vegas
03:16:01 <Nothing\> it's one of those things you can't unsee
03:16:28 <Nothing\> so now it's all they'll see any time they play. And there's still a surprisingly lively community for new vegas
03:16:51 <Nothing\> pretty impressive for a what? 12 year old game?
03:17:56 <Nothing\> okay that's weird
03:18:03 <Nothing\> all of my karma on reddit disappeared
03:18:26 <Nothing\> and now it's back
03:19:33 <Ampera> it would be really nice if it was 40 minutes from now
03:19:38 <Ampera> then I wouldn't have to pretend to be done with work
03:19:41 <Ampera> I'd be actually done
03:28:12 <Nothing\> can anyone explain wtf this is about?
03:28:18 <Nothing\> https://i.redd.it/oh6yzmsj9jo71.png
03:28:27 <Nothing\> the more i look at it, the more i think it's a troll
03:28:56 <Nothing\> it doesn't explain at all why we're supposed to be boycotting gta 5 other than because it got some bad reviews and has a toxic online environment
03:29:02 <Nothing\> which can be said of any online game
03:29:57 <Nothing\> i never played it online anyways. I wanted to finish the single player story mode first but i never did. So I never got around to playing gta online.
03:30:29 <Nothing\> i don't even like playing games online anyways. The last game I played online was Diablo 2 back in like 2008
03:32:07 <jaymax> arch I just looked at those suggestions - crossing the border seems to double that cost, but it does get me to think about laptop boards if not just repruposing olfd laptops. I'm a Thinkpad hoe (R51, X200, T420) so that idea aligns with what I could accomplish.
03:32:24 * electrohead becomes jaymax's hoe
03:32:47 * jaymax gets electrohead out to earn.
03:32:53 <Ampera> this looks like fun
03:32:54 <Ampera> can I join in?
03:32:58 <electrohead> let's do it.
03:32:59 <electrohead> lol
03:33:05 * jaymax films
03:33:16 <Ampera> I've always wanted to be fucked and then get an STD and then discarded by the side of the road where I'm eaten alive by rats
03:33:22 <Ampera> it's like my 245th biggest dream
03:33:57 <Nothing\> jeez
03:34:06 <jaymax> Yikes, I don't think I want to know the #1 dream
03:34:16 <Nothing\> this moonlander game i found the source for in qbasic is over 6,000 lines
03:34:26 <Nothing\> that's a lot of work to put into a moonlander game in qbasic
03:34:44 <Nothing\> it didn't even work cuz it was supposed to have a bunch of .dat files with it
03:34:47 <Ampera> jaymax, my #1 dream is to be myself in a loving mutual relationship with another person, where I can live happily for the rest of my long life
03:34:56 <Ampera> it's the most fucked up thought I've ever had
03:35:00 <Ampera> absolutely disgusting
03:35:10 <Nothing\> i'm migrating to c++ now that i've got dev bloodshed working now though
03:35:24 <jaymax> Disney dreams are the weirdest.
03:35:40 <Ampera> this isn't a Disney dreams, my parents are just divorced, not dead
03:35:43 <Ampera> *dream
03:35:47 <Nothing\> i just liked qb64 cuz it's fun to play around and doesn't require a lot of effort to learn how to do things in it
03:35:53 <Nothing\> jaymax, disney dreams?
03:36:07 <Nothing\> is that like a dream with a disney theme to it?
03:36:12 <jaymax> Happily ever ever
03:36:15 <Nothing\> or some sort of weird porno series
03:36:21 <Nothing\> do what now?
03:36:39 <jaymax> sorry, "Happily ever after"
03:36:45 <Nothing\> yeah i got that
03:36:50 <Nothing\> i just don't get what you mean by it
03:37:04 <jaymax> I'm a jaded fuck.
03:37:09 <Nothing\> i'm deafened by the sounds of all of these things going over my head
03:37:17 <Ampera> jaymax, you can't help it, you're canadian
03:37:22 <Nothing\> jaymax, i think at their core, everybody is
03:37:24 <jaymax> Truth
03:37:29 <Nothing\> or at least 99% of people are
03:37:42 <Ampera> it's night 20 hours out of the day, and your prime minister is a racist, so I can understand it
03:37:48 <rust_collector> everybody is canadian?
03:37:51 <Nothing\> the question shouldn't be whether you're jaded/selfish/whatever other synonym
03:38:05 <Nothing\> the question should be HOW jaded/selfish you are
03:38:11 <Ampera> rust_collector, no, only the people not good enough to be nords
03:38:17 <Ampera> you're safe
03:38:18 <rust_collector> oh, right
03:38:51 <jaymax> my #1 dream is to be myself in a loving mutual relationship with another person, where I can sleep knowing there's a good change I won't be forcefully suffocated with a pillow.
03:39:06 <Nothing\> i don't even know what my #1 dream is
03:39:15 <Nothing\> to know that, i'd have to know what makes me happy
03:39:27 <Ampera> jaymax, stop plagarizing me
03:39:28 <rust_collector> coffee
03:39:32 <Ampera> that's my dream
03:39:36 <Nothing\> and to know THAT i'd have to know what happiness is, at least for me, subjectively
03:39:50 <rust_collector> COFFEE!!
03:39:54 <Nothing\> lol
03:40:14 <jaymax> Ampera it's not plagarism, it's parody.
03:40:37 <Nothing\> huh
03:40:41 <Ampera> I just re-read that, you're safe, I don't mind being suffocated
03:40:52 <rust_collector> Nothing\ just wait until you figure out that chocolate is actually not terrible... you will know
03:41:01 <Nothing\> i found an article on wired where a guy took the ROM file from super mario bros and played it on a synthesizer somehow using OSC
03:41:01 <arch> jaymax, i have over 10 thinkpads by now :D
03:41:18 <arch> any thinkpad with a soldered CPU doesn't count. it's garbage
03:41:19 <Nothing\> rust_collector, chocolate will always be terrible
03:41:23 <jaymax> So I'm on the right track
03:41:33 <Nothing\> just thinking of the texture of chocolate is enough to sicken me
03:41:38 <Ampera> anything made by lenovo is garbage
03:41:40 <Ampera> no exceptions
03:41:51 <jaymax> If only I kept my 600X
03:41:51 <Nothing\> it coats every square mm of your mouth
03:42:04 <rust_collector> texture? it is like a brick of soft plastic.
03:42:19 <Nothing\> rust_collector, it's like moist peanut butter
03:42:20 <jaymax> Ampera this is why I have my R51 - a non-Lenovo Thinkpad.
03:42:37 <Nothing\> ther's someting i'd like to see
03:42:38 <rust_collector> Nothing\ don't store it behind the fridge?
03:42:44 <Nothing\> a peanut butter eating contest
03:42:55 <jaymax> GET THE HORSE
03:42:58 <Nothing\> see who can eat a jar first
03:43:01 <arch> i used to have an IBM Thinkpad T43, but the motherboard on that thing sucked ass and the southbridge overheats too much so it's fucked. so i scrapped it and took out the parts
03:43:04 <Ampera> I'd love one of the PowerPC thinkpads, but those are sheer unobtanium
03:43:15 <rust_collector> I want a little T40, for some reason
03:43:15 <Nothing\> my first ever PC was an IBM PS/1
03:43:30 <Nothing\> i had other computers before that, but not PCs
03:43:46 <arch> i want the one with the butterfly keyboard. im too poor to afford it tho
03:44:03 <Ampera> arch, you just need to start making hentai
03:44:09 <Ampera> then you'd make bank enough to afford that
03:44:31 <Nothing\> of course i had a c64
03:44:41 <arch> indeed
03:44:44 <Nothing\> and an Adam, which i forget what system that was meant to replace
03:44:51 <rust_collector> of course you did... blah
03:44:53 <Nothing\> or if it was its own system
03:45:07 <Nothing\> rust_collector, twas the standard in north america
03:45:20 <Nothing\> and i suppose you had a spectrum?
03:45:28 <rust_collector> here too, except that having nothing was even more standard
03:45:32 <Nothing\> oh really
03:45:38 <Ampera> rust_collector is on the spectrum :P
03:45:41 <Nothing\> that's interesting
03:45:45 <rust_collector> possibly
03:45:49 <Ampera> sadly he outranks all of us
03:45:59 <Nothing\> i was under the impression the ZX Spectrum was the "norm" across the whole EU
03:46:10 <Nothing\> or what would become the EU
03:46:19 <rust_collector> nah, I think that was more of a british thing
03:46:37 <Nothing\> yeah that's more the sense that i get
03:47:09 <Nothing\> ffs i can't find something to rest my elbow on
03:47:22 <rust_collector> c64 was pretty common here, and the vic20. and the amiga stuff was very popular for a while
03:47:24 <Nothing\> i dunno why, i've never had this problem before but it's surprisingly irritating
03:47:44 <Nothing\> i wish i learned more about the c64
03:47:58 <Nothing\> i was born in 85 so i was a bit too young to really use one
03:47:59 <Ampera> shooting people was popular here
03:48:01 <Ampera> it still is
03:48:06 <Ampera> almost as popular as baseball
03:48:15 <Nothing\> i'd always get my brother who's 6 years older to do stuff for me
03:48:16 <rust_collector> I only got the manual. I still have it. But I never had the confuser itself
03:48:42 <Nothing\> i didn't really learn to read until 91 or so when i got an SNES
03:49:00 <Ampera> rust_collector, are you allowed to have guns in norway?
03:49:07 <Ampera> and can you shoot people for fun with them?
03:49:08 <Nothing\> i learned to read playing Final Fantasy II/IV cuz you had to read to follow the story and know what to do
03:49:33 <rust_collector> we can own them. I don't think it is too different to germany
03:49:51 <Ampera> germany you can only have them for specific reasons and need special may give permits
03:49:52 <Nothing\> heh, so no Dendy for you
03:50:01 <Nothing\> or weird Hyundai branded NES's
03:50:09 <Ampera> here you get them for free with every mcdonalds order
03:50:29 <Nothing\> cuz there was a ban against japanese goods in Korea, so Hyundai distributed the NES under their brand
03:50:29 <rust_collector> yeah, we need permits, but you can get a permit. it only takes money and time, or more money
03:50:49 <Ampera> is there a limit to how many or what kind you can own?
03:50:57 <Ampera> and, if you have shit tons of land, can you use it on your own land?
03:50:59 <Nothing\> and in Russia, after the fall of communism, a clone system called the Dendy was released
03:51:19 <Nothing\> it even had its own tv show
03:51:40 <Nothing\> it had a pretty significant culture around it in the former USSR
03:51:57 <Nothing\> probably cuz all the kids had before that was Brick and Brick Jr
03:52:01 <rust_collector> you can shoot on your own land. I am not sure about the laws when it comes to how many you can have. I do not think we are allowed to have full automatic, but I am not sure
03:52:11 <Nothing\> oh yeah, there was also shoe and shoelace
03:52:21 <Nothing\> the slogan was
03:52:27 <Nothing\> "one is useless without the other"
03:52:38 <Nothing\> :>
03:52:49 <Ampera> rust_collector, full auto is weird here, you can sorta have it, if you buy old stock from before the 80's
03:52:56 <rust_collector> if you get registered as a weapons dealer, you can pretty much get whatever you want, and how many as you have time to
03:52:57 <Ampera> it's not legal to own newer stuff, but it's kinda not illegal
03:52:58 <Ampera> but also yes
03:53:00 <Ampera> and also no
03:53:01 <Nothing\> rust_collector, i don't even think you can shoot on your own land in canada
03:53:06 <Nothing\> at least not in cities
03:53:09 <Ampera> similar here I believe
03:53:42 <Nothing\> which makes sense, i mean what would stop an errant bullet from accidentally striking an innocent bystander if you're just randomly firing guns off on your property
03:54:04 <rust_collector> I have thought about getting a little bb gun, just because. But I really do not have much interest in guns
03:54:13 <Ampera> I have a pellet gun actually, daisy brand
03:54:25 <Nothing\> hell, i've heard credible stories backed up my evidence and expert testimony about people being injured from falling bullets from people shooting their guns into the air
03:54:28 <Ampera> it's actually got similar power to a 22 scaled down to 177
03:54:43 <Nothing\> rust_collector, you know they actually make pellet guns in .22 caliber
03:54:59 <Nothing\> CO2 powered, with enough power to break the sound barrier
03:55:10 <rust_collector> well, give me a lathe, and I will probably make a .50
03:55:14 <Nothing\> so the things are basically just like a full blown firearm
03:55:15 <Ampera> pellet and air guns are actually nearly unregulated here
03:55:27 <Ampera> no power limits, and usually no ownership limits or requirements either
03:55:35 <rust_collector> I think we have to be 16 to buy an air gun here.
03:55:45 <Nothing\> rust_collector, yeah but at .50cal you'd probably need a lot more energy to get it moving at a decent speed
03:55:48 <Ampera> there are .357 pellet guns with firearm force that are no more special than owning a can of soup
03:55:49 <rust_collector> I have no idea about the details
03:55:59 <Ampera> it's 16 to own in NY
03:56:01 <Ampera> but that's just NY
03:56:06 <Ampera> some states have stricter laws
03:56:14 <rust_collector> Nothing\ sure. so give it more energy
03:56:18 <Nothing\> i know that kinetic energy is equal to 1/2 mass times velocity squared
03:56:30 <Nothing\> rust_collector, there's only so much energy in a co2 cartridge
03:56:38 <Nothing\> but if you connected it to a compressed air line
03:56:44 <Ampera> I may build an magnetically powered gun at some point
03:56:48 <Nothing\> well, you'd have all the gas you could ever want
03:56:55 <Ampera> something where you could send a steel ball at silly speeds
03:57:41 <Ampera> I am 3 minutes away from being released from prison
03:57:45 <Ampera> then I can go do something I guess
03:57:53 <rust_collector> Nothing\ I am pretty sure I have no interest in co2 cartridges, lol
03:57:53 <Ampera> like scream profanities at small birds
03:59:13 <rust_collector> oh, except that time, where we found a case of self inflating life vests, that was fun. we inflated it, then put a new cylinder in, and did it again. Poor guy who had that on, lol.
03:59:46 <Ampera> haha
04:02:17 <jaymax> In the stock market, that's what they call a "short squeeze"
04:03:13 <Ampera> jaymax, it's also what giving you a handjob is called
04:04:33 <rust_collector> Ok, it is after the news, so I better go to bed. have fun or something
04:04:51 <jaymax> Something it is! Cheers.
04:05:27 <rust_collector> eeh, have 2
04:05:32 <rust_collector> good night
04:05:33 <Nothing\> rust_collector, well co2 cartridges are what pellet guns use to fire
04:05:43 <Nothing\> if you want something with good enough speed
04:05:52 <Nothing\> anyways, goodnight rust_collector
04:05:56 <Nothing\> have a good one, dude
04:05:59 <rust_collector> not those who do not. and if I made it, it would not
04:06:03 <Nothing\> pleasant dreams and all that good stuff
04:06:20 <Nothing\> speaking of making things
04:06:24 <Nothing\> i'm gonna make a shift register
04:06:25 <rust_collector> you too, if you wake up enough to fall asleep some time
04:06:33 <Nothing\> and then a linear feedback shift register from that
04:06:48 <Nothing\> only thing about making LFSRs, is i can never remember where the taps go
04:07:14 <Nothing\> and i can never find a credible enough seeming resource that tells me where they go
04:07:36 <Kuschelpony> you are looking for Maximum length sequences?
04:07:40 <Nothing\> plus it depends whether you're using 2 taps or 4, or how many stages you're using
04:08:06 <Nothing\> and i want something like a 40 bit lfsr
04:08:44 <Nothing\> just cuz i think it'd be cool to have an LFSR that doesn't repeat itself for something like 10,000 years
04:09:56 <Nothing\> hrm, 2^40 is only 1,099,511,627,776. I would have thought it would be a lot larger
04:16:03 <Nothing\> ah dammit
04:16:21 <Nothing\> now i found some 74hc181 ALUs and want to make an ALU instead now
04:16:30 <Nothing\> Kuschelpony, yeah pretty much
04:16:44 <Nothing\> i just like the novelty of knowing how long it takes before they repeat
04:17:57 <Kuschelpony> i cant remember this moment where i saw a long list, perhaps even on wikipedia linked, but it was in text form and listed something like some MLS upto 64 bit
04:18:50 <Nothing\> Kuschelpony, oh yeah there's a site called like, oeis or something like that, which has lists of important number sequences
04:19:01 <Nothing\> it might have been that, or something like it
04:19:59 <Nothing\> yeah, Online Encyclopedia of Integer Sequences
04:20:55 <Nothing\> it's really useful. I first came across it looking for a listing of root 2 to the highest degree of accuracy
04:21:24 <Nothing\> hrm yeah maybe i'll still make the shift register
04:22:04 <Nothing\> my cats really enjoyed my divide by 10 counter lol so i figure they'll like a shift register, too
04:23:32 <Nothing\> maybe i could even use an LED matrix and use a MUX to move the line of blinken lights down a line every so often to make it more appealing to the cats
04:23:52 <Nothing\> lol i tried making a tone generator, but that just scared the living daylights out of them
04:23:59 <Nothing\> my one cat really hates pure sinusoidal tones
04:26:15 <Nothing\> hey, do chip manufacturers still make databooks?
04:26:32 <steve30> not that i'm aware of
04:26:39 <Nothing\> damn
04:27:15 <Nothing\> i mean, i know i can print off all of my datasheets, but as i was explaining the idea to my mum i realized it'd probably be like 800 pages at least
04:27:31 <Nothing\> twice as many if i include my app notes
04:27:56 <Nothing\> actually it'd probably be cheaper to just get a kindle or something that i can use to read them on the go
04:28:36 <Nothing\> i've been wanting to get an ebook reader anyways. Just so I can read pdfs and that without having the distractions of a computer so easily available.
04:28:58 <steve30> i just print them as and when i need them
04:29:02 <Nothing\> plus, i love the way those E-paper displays look
04:29:20 <steve30> I like the e-paper displays. Haven't got one though.
04:29:36 <Nothing\> steve30, yeah i tried that until I needed to print resources for CPUs
04:29:46 <Nothing\> and i found myself needing to print 100+ pages at a time
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04:30:58 <Nothing\> the actual datasheet for WDCs version of the 6502 is only 55 pages. But then you get into the rest of the chipset and it's like 250 pages to print out
04:31:04 <Nothing\> heya Halcyon
04:31:10 <Nothing\> how are you doing, bud?
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04:39:04 * Ampera pets the steve30
04:39:10 <Ampera> how have you been doing
04:43:05 <steve30> i went back to bed for some more sleep
04:43:09 <steve30> i feel better for that
04:43:17 * Ampera gives steve30 some coffee
05:09:11 <TheDude> heya
05:09:30 * TheDude just spent way too much time and effort perfecting his linkedin profile image
05:09:36 <Nothing\> it's a sin, my darling, how i love you
05:09:48 <Nothing\> steve30, yeah i never sleep well
05:10:02 <Nothing\> i dunno why, i end up sitting up in bed for more than half of the night
05:10:03 <TheDude> ... I... uh... don't know what to say
05:10:13 <TheDude> thanks?
05:10:14 <Nothing\> not necessarily because i worry or have anxiety or insomnia or anything
05:10:31 <Nothing\> i'm exhausted and usually nod in and out of consciousness while i'm sitting up, but it's not a good sleep
05:10:40 <Nothing\> good in terms of quality, that is
05:11:16 <Nothing\> it's like my brain is a stubborn child who doesn't want to go to bed because it thinks there's fun to be had if i stay up
05:11:36 <Nothing\> which there is, i mean i could play my games and watch shows etc
05:11:42 Quit: arch ([email protected]) Ping timeout: 121 seconds
05:11:59 <Nothing\> but again i just end up nodding off while i do that stuff so it's not much fun-
05:12:36 <Nothing\> i actually fell the other day cuz i fell asleep while i was standing up and fell into a table, scraping my hip and elbow
05:13:10 <Nothing\> it's not uncommon for me to fall asleep standing up like that, but usually i wake up and stop myself before i hit the ground... somehow
05:13:57 <Nothing\> that's the only time i hit the ground. Other than when I fell forward out of my chair and into a book case which thankfully didn't fall over
05:14:24 <Nothing\> but it's the first time i hit the ground from a standing position
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05:25:32 * Ampera hugs TheDude
05:25:46 <Ampera> how is my favorite austrian doing
05:25:53 <TheDude> sehr gut
05:26:07 <TheDude> so
05:26:26 <TheDude> I've been thinking about what to write in my work description on linkedin
05:26:44 <TheDude> I do a shitload of different work on this job
05:27:03 <TheDude> and I feel that if I just start listing everything, it's going to be cluttered and nobody is going to bother reading it
05:27:23 <TheDude> what do you reckon I should do?
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05:37:23 <Nothing\> TheDude, i say take a break from it for now
05:37:39 <Nothing\> it sounds like you're overwhelmed at the moment, so you're not working at 100% capacity
05:38:09 <Nothing\> you need to give yourself some time to calm down and let everything slow down so you can think more clearly
05:38:13 Quit: Guest69 ([email protected]) Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…
05:38:22 <Nothing\> then attack the problem from a fresh, new angle
05:39:01 <Nothing\> at least, that's my solution when I'm trying to solve a problem i've been working on for a while to no avail
05:40:59 <Nothing\> what do dotted/dashed lines mean in a logic timing diagram?
05:43:04 <Nothing\> something like this
05:43:06 <Nothing\> https://i.ibb.co/5FvZ7YG/timing-diagram.png
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05:45:46 <steve30> probably means Don't care
05:48:36 <TheDude> yeah, it might be either high or low
05:48:50 <TheDude> like steve30 said, it doesn't matter
06:09:32 <Ampera> TheDude, I have never used linkedin, but I'd say treat it like a resume
06:09:44 <Ampera> put the stuff that people would be the most impressed by up first
06:10:00 <Ampera> keep it short as possible, and try to pack a lot into a little
06:10:15 <Ampera> don't overthink
06:12:03 <TheDude> I think I might be overthinking not overthinking it
06:12:33 <Ampera> ok
06:12:41 <Ampera> whatever the hell that means
06:13:31 <TheDude> I'm saying that I'm struggling with the not overthinking part
06:13:36 <TheDude> I might be overthinking that
06:13:54 <Ampera> think harder
06:14:01 <TheDude> reeeee
06:14:12 <Ampera> you might overflow a variable and end up thinking not at all
06:14:45 <TheDude> my brain runs on double precision floats ಠ╭╮ಠ
06:15:29 <TheDude> also, I just solved two linkedin quizzes
06:15:33 <TheDude> C and git
06:15:48 <TheDude> they were not trivial at all
06:16:16 <TheDude> I can see how those are useful for separating the wheat from the chaff
06:19:04 <Ampera> my brain is unsigned long longs
06:24:15 <Nothing\> steve30, that's what i figured
06:24:34 <Nothing\> something along the lines of "optional"
06:25:13 <Nothing\> the timing of 595s always threw me off initially
06:28:22 <Nothing\> i dunno why they didn't bother tieing the clock lines together for the latch and the shift register and just inverting one of them
06:28:59 <Nothing\> since that seems to be the only way it operates anyway. Unless I'm missing something about circuits that work this way
06:30:49 <steve30> i think i'll do some chicken
06:31:21 <Nothing\> where there's one clock to latch the data in a register and another clock to control the shiftin
06:31:59 <TheDude> uh mate
06:32:05 <TheDude> that would be a very bad idea
06:32:19 <Nothing\> how come? that's how it's supposed to be operated normally
06:32:37 <Nothing\> you latch the information, then shift it
06:32:51 <TheDude> have you ever considered the fact that you might not want to have every bit appear on the first output before you get to the final one?
06:32:56 <Nothing\> one is active high, the other is active low
06:33:07 <TheDude> you shift in everything and only then latch it
06:33:35 <Nothing\> well sure
06:33:45 <Nothing\> but this is just a barebones shift register
06:33:56 <TheDude> basically write cycle: srclr, then shift everything in and then rclk
06:34:01 <Nothing\> but that doesn't have anything to do with the clock
06:34:15 <Nothing\> just which bit the data starts being shifted into
06:34:27 <TheDude> you said that srclk should be the inverse of rclk
06:34:32 <TheDude> it should not
06:34:36 <Nothing\> right
06:34:42 <Nothing\> how come?
06:34:49 <TheDude> I just explained it in detail
06:34:51 <Nothing\> seriously, i'm not trying to be snarky
06:35:09 <Nothing\> right, in case of that eventuality
06:35:28 <Nothing\> but i'm talking in terms of what's required for the bare essential operation of the device
06:35:55 <TheDude> why would you use a 595 if you just want the most basic shift register then?
06:35:56 <Nothing\> let me find it in the datasheet
06:36:18 <Nothing\> TheDude, cuz they're cheap, and you have that option for later on
06:36:24 <Nothing\> and honestly i'm just doing this to learn
06:36:33 <Nothing\> i don't care about the end product
06:37:08 <Nothing\> or at least about its quality, i hope you know what i mean
06:37:47 <Nothing\> what i'm trying to say is my goal here is more geared towards learning than to making anything of any practical use.
06:38:20 <TheDude> well, just learn to use the chip how it was intended to be used
06:39:03 <Nothing\> that's what i'm doing
06:39:09 <Nothing\> hence the barebones shift register
06:39:21 <Nothing\> lol TheDude
06:39:34 <Nothing\> it's like back when i first got into electronics
06:40:56 <Nothing\> before i figured out where to buy ICs from, I would try (usually in vain) to replicate jellybean logic and various types of switches and multiplexers etc with dicreet transistors
06:41:15 <TheDude> doable, but very tedious :D
06:41:41 <Nothing\> and people would always ask me what the point was. What's the use of an adder made of BJTs?
06:42:08 <Nothing\> and I'd just say the same thing i said to you, it's not about making anything useful. Just learning.
06:42:42 <TheDude> <Nothing\> i dunno why they didn't bother tieing the clock lines together for the latch and the shift register and just inverting one of them
06:42:42 <TheDude> <Nothing\> since that seems to be the only way it operates anyway. Unless I'm missing something about circuits that work this way
06:43:00 <TheDude> just to explain, this irked me slightly
06:43:06 <Nothing\> TheDude, there's a cool video on computerphile where they're in some museum where some group has built a computer out of transistors. I forget the word size but I think it was 8 or 16 bit
06:43:19 <TheDude> because there's a very valid reason to do it
06:43:30 <Nothing\> but what was cool about this project was they had a buffered LED connected to every single logic "switch"
06:43:37 <TheDude> and they did it because it is useful, not to hinder your learning abilities
06:44:04 <Nothing\> every single transistor that was meant to represent a bit was connected to a buffered LED so you could see everything switching in real time
06:44:21 <Nothing\> and they'd obviously run it at quite a low frequency.
06:44:24 <TheDude> I imagine they must have used a slow-ish clock
06:44:29 <Nothing\> yup
06:44:33 <TheDude> you beat me to it :D
06:44:45 <Nothing\> heh that was one of the first things I learned about digital circuits
06:44:59 <Nothing\> if you wanna work with it in real time, don't use a 10mhz clock
06:45:04 <Nothing\> unless you're superman
06:45:55 <Nothing\> there's a lot of stuff like that that a lot, if not all basic tutorials neglect to mention
06:46:02 <TheDude> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gI8luQnyM9A
06:46:03 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: Relay-Based Floating Point Square Root Calculator
06:46:24 <TheDude> I can't remember who showed me this video
06:46:28 <TheDude> but the device is rather cool
06:46:38 <Nothing\> for example, with that basic 2 BJT astable multivibrator. None of the tutorials mentioned how unstable the outputs were
06:46:46 <Nothing\> or what to do about that.
06:46:58 <Nothing\> i hope you know which circuit i'm talking about
06:47:15 <TheDude> yeah, ofc
06:47:35 <Nothing\> ah damn
06:47:50 <Nothing\> well i'm still gonna paste it cuz i went through the trouble to look for the url lol
06:47:57 <Nothing\> haha
06:48:06 <Nothing\> it didn't even copy to my clipboard for some reason
06:48:22 <Nothing\> anyways moving away from the ADHD tangent
06:48:41 <TheDude> you know the most basic FM bug circuit, aye?
06:49:03 <Nothing\> all of the tutorials i'd read about those would just tell you to put an LED in series with the transistors
06:49:07 <Nothing\> and that's it
06:49:33 <Nothing\> or maybe they'd say to put it in parallel for the compliment
06:49:52 <Nothing\> but they'd never explain like, using 2 different colors for example
06:49:55 <TheDude> I only found out how insanely sensitive to capacitive coupling it was once I built it
06:50:22 <Nothing\> then suddenly you've got a red LED at 2.3v and a white LED at 3.2v
06:50:43 <Nothing\> and the thing is much more astable
06:50:52 <TheDude> the thing here is
06:51:06 <Nothing\> from memory, i think that just causes one side to oscillate at a different speed from the other
06:51:07 <TheDude> you can't possibly mention everything in beginner tutorials
06:51:11 <Nothing\> and/or changes the duty cycle
06:51:19 <Nothing\> TheDude, oh absolutely
06:51:25 <TheDude> because that's a surefire way to overwhelm them and have them drop the interest prematurely
06:51:31 <Nothing\> i understand that. It would overwhelm a person very quickly.
06:51:56 <Nothing\> It just got me that this was the case weth pretty well every tutorial i came across
06:51:58 <TheDude> better to let people fuck things up and then try to figure out why things work a certain way
06:52:06 <Nothing\> and i just had to figure out to use buffers on my own
06:52:16 <Nothing\> i mean it was a good thing in that way
06:52:33 <Nothing\> it taught me all about buffers and input/output impedance
06:52:41 <Nothing\> and the practicalities thereof
06:53:35 <Nothing\> but unless it's specifically mentioned, i don't think a lot of people would have figured it out
06:56:31 <Nothing\> the only reason i figured it out was because i was playing around with the circuit in circuitmod, which allows you to simulate the circuit and visualize current flow and voltage. Which btw it's a spactacular tool, especially for learning. A good first step towards using SPICE
06:56:40 <Nothing\> https://tinyurl.com/yjffrmpn
06:56:41 <EEVBot> [Title] - Redirecting to https://lushprojects.com/circuitjs/circuitjs.html?ctz=CQAgjCAMB0l3BWEAOaAmZYCcB2BzkcBmLUhJBSECqhAUwFowwAoAd3DDRABZkQ0kfnyjsBQ3vwzD+kMdMkgiyHorkAnTtxHNuYHADYoSohvEzz4Q8bCRBLTQpEL9Rqrfublqkd6tulewBjLX9LV2MYeEgwfiJoZUEEAwQiMAMcNAMiESiYlhC-CJdrKjy4WKhYHB4sBFtIHCw0BDwsSCQ81g4i6z80HjKWABcBAgFkpRUJgIgYAx4+SHaVBCx9MFqqg2QDPds+dZxNhfA4EAATOgAzAEMAVwAbYfkJYvGWt3lx4olP0VGgikk10MxsIAYPGgtli6QMA2wMWWEKiRFMpEgPCIBjgRDQhggDUuNwezzEoIioIGQwASqERKdcsZBtRI
06:57:00 <Nothing\> there's said circuit simulator with a simulation of said circuit
06:57:03 <Nothing\> :P
06:57:28 <Nothing\> i've gotta say, it's been one of the most useful tools I've had for learning
06:58:35 <TheDude> just learn how to use spice
06:58:41 <Nothing\> accuracy usually isn't a huge deal when you're just playing around to learn, so I just use it to help me understand things more intuitively and to make sure it won't blow up
06:58:51 <Nothing\> TheDude, i know i know
06:58:53 <Nothing\> i really should
06:59:08 <Nothing\> maybe now that i'm on windows i could try again
06:59:20 <Nothing\> cuz last time i tried was on Raspbian
06:59:45 <Nothing\> i had no computer so a Pi3b was my primary computer
07:00:04 <Nothing\> and i mean, even though it's not the greatest computer
07:00:39 <Nothing\> what a day and age we live in when for $40 I can have an almost functionally identical replacement for my computer
07:00:57 <Nothing\> i mean, graphically it was nothing
07:01:04 <Nothing\> and it had its drawbacks
07:01:47 <Nothing\> but to be able to get a fully working PC for that, it still blows my mind
07:04:10 <Nothing\> I remember back maybe 20, 25 years ago, reading an article in Scientific American or Popular science or one of those magazines. And it was talking about how in the future (now) CPUs will cost pennies a piece. So as a result, we'll be putting them into absolutely everything.
07:04:37 <Nothing\> i think it's pretty awesome to be alive to see this happen
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07:06:30 <jaymax> SIM cards is an interesting example to that, and it hikes the prediction much sooner.
07:07:01 <Nothing\> SIM cards use the same technology as the chips in Debit cards, don't they?
07:07:09 <Nothing\> at least, the pads look nearly identical
07:07:13 <jaymax> They do. Also, ten years ago they had the processing power of a 486.
07:07:14 <Nothing\> even the layout
07:07:52 <Nothing\> well, why use a beefy processor for a simple function?
07:08:05 <jaymax> Javacard apps.
07:08:18 <Nothing\> never hoard of that
07:08:23 <jaymax> Even though those don't get much love these days.
07:09:19 <Nothing\> I'm just speculating, but are you sure they weren't created to sort of give them an excuse to use more advanced CPUs than they need
07:10:14 <jaymax> Was more a thing with feature phones, but smartphone apps can work with them - granted there is a weird security layer that don't make it easy. The porcessing power ends up being for those crypto capabilities.
07:10:23 <Nothing\> like you make the PoS app use more resources, requiring the client to upgrade the POS device to be compliant
07:11:12 <Nothing\> or change the standard to something that requires beefier hardware
07:11:38 <Nothing\> again, just speculatoring. I really don't know or follow anything related to this
07:11:51 <Nothing\> lol speculatoring
07:12:13 <Nothing\> sounds like it shounld be a world
07:12:44 <Nothing\> the act of being a person who speculates?
07:13:07 <jaymax> At some point, it's whatever manufacture process that can crank out hundreds of millions - so a consequently-faster embedded kit is still cheap.
07:14:08 <Nothing\> I think they should have a class or classes in highschool about manufacturing and/or marketing
07:14:50 <jaymax> My highschool had an Entrepreneurship elective.
07:14:59 <Nothing\> i've noticed, online anyway, people or amazingly ignorant about basic engineering practices. Common sense sorta stuff.
07:15:15 <jaymax> > basic engineering practices
07:15:21 <Nothing\> Like that things with moving parts wear out faster than things without moving parts
07:15:21 <jaymax> good god i have a story for that
07:15:43 <Nothing\> there's this new technology, i forget the name of it
07:16:36 <Nothing\> but it uses parts that bend and use mechanical properties
07:16:52 <Nothing\> and i'm sitting here thinking "okay but how's this better than solid state?"
07:17:12 <Nothing\> in this case the device being demonstrated was a simple bistable switch
07:17:58 <Nothing\> let me see if i can find what the tech's called
07:18:31 * Ampera hugs jaymax
07:18:35 <Ampera> how is my favorite canadian doing
07:19:11 <Nothing\> hrm can't find much just searching for stuff relating to "switch"
07:19:20 <Nothing\> i just get all sorts of video game stuff
07:20:00 <Nothing\> AHA!@
07:20:11 <Nothing\> veritasium did a video on it. I forgot all about this.
07:20:31 <jaymax> I *may* be in a great mood after tonight. Will see how the voting goes.
07:20:49 <Ampera> oh what's being voted for?
07:20:52 <Ampera> parliament?
07:20:54 <Nothing\> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97t7Xj_iBv0
07:20:55 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: Why Machines That Bend Are Better
07:20:58 <Nothing\> there we are
07:21:10 <Nothing\> jaymax, i didn't even bother
07:21:22 <Nothing\> i wanted to vote NDP but they don't have a snowball's chance in hell
07:21:28 <Nothing\> so i didn't see the point
07:21:54 <jaymax> Aww, Nothing\ - that's the time to "waste" your vote on the fringiest shit.
07:22:21 <Nothing\> well, i don't wanna give maxime bernier any votes
07:22:26 <Nothing\> or the green party
07:22:31 <Nothing\> who else is there?
07:23:14 <jaymax> I'm a full pessimist with the enstablishment politics, so I voted Green in 2019 and today. But if Pirate party existed, I'ddo that.
07:23:52 <jaymax> Any increase in popular vote doesn't go unnoticed in the long-term - as in decades later.
07:23:53 <Nothing\> it's funny, it took me a bit to figure out that PPC was the People's Party of Canada. For some reason I thought they were related to the PC party or some sort of offshoot from them. But the PC party doesn't even exist anymore lol.
07:24:17 <Nothing\> i forget what the PC party is called now
07:24:25 <jaymax> Nothing\ I'd consider the PPC Reform 3.0
07:24:27 <Nothing\> other than tories
07:24:58 <Nothing\> jaymax, i'm actually not familiar with any of their views
07:24:59 <jaymax> Tories doubly-merged with Reform two decades ago.
07:25:22 <Nothing\> oh yeha i remember the reform party
07:25:42 <Nothing\> huh, so tories and reform party merged into PC?
07:25:51 <Nothing\> which then became whatever they're called now
07:25:53 <Nothing\> ?
07:26:03 <jaymax> I don't pay much attention to the PPC - the old weed party guy is in there now, but it's this whole Wild Rose thing from out west.
07:26:49 <Nothing\> lol the weed guy has no platform to ride on anymore now that it's legalized federally. I mean, what more can he do?
07:27:10 <Nothing\> maybe lower taxes on it.
07:27:44 <Nothing\> provide incentives to producers and distributors
07:28:25 <Nothing\> ah well i'm gonna play new vegas
07:28:33 <jaymax> In 2001 IIRC, as the Conservative Reform Alliance Party was the first merger, with ol' Joe Clarke being the Tory holdout in a Paul Martin gov lacking official party status (needing 13 seats, they had 12). So a couple years later they merged again for the CPC.
07:28:41 <Nothing\> after i check out this really low flying plane on flightaware
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08:18:49 <steve30> Ok, so I was just looking through all the replies in this thread
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08:19:14 <steve30> I honestly cannot tell whether they are all taking the piss, or whether they are being serious.
08:20:22 <Ampera> Never attribute to malice what can be adequately explained by stupidity.
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08:41:17 <electrohead> o/
08:41:33 <steve30> \o
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20:38:33 * K gives Ampera a potat
20:38:52 * Ampera home fries the potat, offers the results to K
20:39:07 <K> glorious
20:41:15 <Ampera> those would go well with today's steak
20:41:27 <Ampera> I have no potatoes, so I'll eat rice
20:45:19 <K> it was a rathe poor potato harvest this year
20:45:55 <K> well, according yields from gardends of my mom and gfs parents
21:03:21 <Ampera> if I were to ever have a backyard garden it'd probably be entirely potato
21:07:17 <K> eeh, can't have potat in same place for more than 2 years
21:07:28 <K> alternate between beens and potat works ok
21:07:38 <K> has beens and beens-not
21:07:46 <Ampera> maybe peanuts would work then
21:07:50 <Ampera> as I'm not a huge fan of most beans
21:08:17 <K> well, maybe depends on soil and more than 2 years is ok
21:09:18 <Ampera> I could also just plant it in buckets and cycle soil around with something else
21:09:21 <Ampera> or something
21:09:35 <Ampera> or figure out what I need to fertilize it
21:09:48 <Ampera> this all being said, I don't even have my own yard to do this, so this is not really a problem
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21:57:29 <Ampera> Biden is already past his best before date, it's not like him keeling over for whatever reason would make much of a difference
22:07:36 <steve30> should i go to the shops?
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22:10:59 <Ampera> steve30, do you want to go to the shops
22:11:28 <steve30> I was looking for an excuse to go out somewhere, and i need a few bits of food
22:11:52 <Ampera> sounds like the shops is a good solution for those two problems
22:19:31 <K> buy some potat?
22:20:19 <Ampera> you're making me want to drive out and buy potato >:(
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22:48:33 <K> shaftment or bust
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23:06:40 <electrohead> o/
23:06:54 * Ampera hugs electrohead
23:06:57 <Ampera> how are you doing powerguy?
23:07:12 <electrohead> tired, waiting on coffee to finish, lol
23:07:14 <electrohead> you?
23:07:24 <Ampera> having apple cider doughnuts and english breakfast tea
23:09:15 <electrohead> yum
23:09:20 <K> doughnuts for breakfast?
23:09:30 <Ampera> yes
23:09:32 <K> you'll get fat.
23:09:34 <Ampera> you may judge my lifestyle now
23:09:36 <Ampera> "get"
23:09:38 <Ampera> I won't get fat
23:09:43 <Ampera> that's impossible
23:09:44 <K> become fat
23:09:47 <Ampera> I'm already fat
23:09:49 <Ampera> I can't get fat
23:09:58 <K> more fater
23:10:54 <K> morer fatter!
23:11:01 <K> morest?
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23:11:18 <K> ponny could not take the bad puns
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