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54:26 <Nothing\> good morgen
54:56 <Kuschelpony> guten Abend
55:24 <Nothing\> lol Kuschelpony i had to ask my mum about that, i'm not actually too familiar with german sadly
55:33 <Kuschelpony> ok :)
55:43 <Nothing\> i was thinking it'd be nice if i could learn more and my mum and i could speak it to eachother
55:47 * Ampera hugs Nothing\ 
55:48 <Kuschelpony> "guten Abend" means good late afternoon or evening
55:51 <Nothing\> cuz she speaks it pretty well
56:05 <Nothing\> Kuschelpony, yeah she said evening, i didn't know late afternoon applied too though
56:14 * Nothing\ tackle hugs Ampera
57:10 <Nothing\> Kuschelpony, what part did you say you lived in again? I was gonna tell my mum but it seems to have slipped my mind what area you're from.
57:23 <Kuschelpony> there is no hard barrier, depends also on the region
57:32 <Nothing\> my family originates around stuttgart
57:35 <Kuschelpony> im in the south-east part, bavaria
57:40 <Kuschelpony> Nuremburg
57:40 <Nothing\> ah okay
58:26 <Nothing\> to both
58:32 <Nothing\> both interesting facts, thanks
58:50 <Nothing\> i've always regretted not knowing more about german culture and geography
58:53 <rust_collector> how un-german, you have to find a rule that says evening starts at 17.58
58:59 <Nothing\> i've never even been to german
59:09 <Nothing\> y
59:55 <Nothing\> my mum lived there till she was 4, but she was able to go back in 1969 or 1970
00:03 <Nothing\> just for a short visit
00:50 <Nothing\> but my grandparents spoke it constantly, they never spoke english to eachother, so they would have grown up in a german speaking household
08:01 <steve30> i finally managed to get a few hours sleep
11:14 <Nothing\> steve30, you and me both
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11:23 <Nothing\> i managed to squeeze out, i think about 3
11:43 <Nothing\> which, after my meds kick in means i'm probably gonna end up literally passing out
11:54 <Nothing\> lol i did that last night, literally passed out from lack of sleep
12:05 <Nothing\> that is, i fell asleep while standing up and fell over
12:49 <Nothing\> usually i can wake myself up and stop myself falling before i hit the ground, but this time there was a small table (about 1 square foot) in front of me
13:00 <Nothing\> and some rubbermaid drawers
13:48 <Nothing\> so i just fell into the table, bruised my ribs somehow, and knocked the table over and knocked everything off of it, my 3ds, phone, notebooks, etc but thankfully nothing was damaged that i could tell
14:30 <Nothing\> it's scary cuz i just did that last week too, i fell asleep and hit the ground before i woke up. Scraped my hip on something on my way down.
15:00 <Nothing\> but i think these are just because i'm hitting things on the way down. Where if it was just a clear shot straight to the floor i'd have more time to react.
15:08 <steve30> i don't think i could fall asleep standing up
15:18 <Nothing\> neither did i at one point
15:29 <Nothing\> but you get tired enough, you can fall asleep in any situation
15:41 <Nothing\> if you're familiary with positional torture
16:06 <Kuschelpony> mmh, i think there are parts of german culture where you can be happy to not needing to deal wit hthem
16:12 <Kuschelpony> the geography is nicer
16:15 <Nothing\> basically foring people to maintain body positions for long periods of time to cause a great deal of pain and suffering
16:32 <Kuschelpony> gratulations steve
16:34 <Nothing\> and "enhanced" interrogation techniques the US uses
16:47 <Kuschelpony> i know that feeling, did sometimes felt asleep while in chat...
16:50 <Nothing\> one of those techniques is sleep deprivation, and positional torture
17:37 <Nothing\> and poeple who had been subjected to it said that during the positional torture, they'd eventually learn to sleep during it because they were so sleep deprived, it didn't matter what situation they were in
17:58 <Nothing\> Kuschelpony, lol i'm sure you and everyone else here's seen me fall asleep
18:14 <Kuschelpony> yes :)
18:18 <Nothing\> every so often i'll spew out a few lines (or pages) of a single letter
18:25 <Nothing\> yeah you know what i'm talking about haha
18:38 <Kuschelpony> guess why i use a toughbook :)
19:01 <Nothing\> back when i used to abuse opioids i would fall asleep in all sorts of weird situations
19:06 <Nothing\> like walking down the street
19:22 <Nothing\> i'd be like a zombie, asleep, but still somehow upright and walking
20:24 <Nothing\> or i'd have a dream/vision where i'd say, be playing the piano
20:35 <Nothing\> and in real life i'd actually be moving my hands as if i were playing
25:02 <steve30> i was feeling absoluetly sh1t yesterday. I think I'm feeling a little bit better today. I'll see how I get on for the rest of the day.
25:24 <Ampera> I haven't been feeling too bad, i really just have a strong weird taste in the back of my mouth
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37:31 <rust_collector> Nothing\ one time, I met my second cousin walking in town in the snow, in his boxers, and that was it. he was not very awake, lol
37:56 <Nothing\> yikes!
38:00 <Nothing\> hey coppice
38:10 <Nothing\> haven't seen you in a while. How are you doing, bud?
38:32 <Nothing\> Ampera, is your tongue white?
38:48 <Nothing\> or have a coating on it
39:06 <Nothing\> when i got thrush i got a strange taste in my mouth i couldn't quite describe like that
39:28 <Nothing\> although my mouth also hurt, like all of the surfaces in my mouth were just raw and irritated and sore
39:44 <Nothing\> sucking on ice cubes and freezies reallly helped
40:12 <Nothing\> apparentyl it's a common problem for chemo patients
40:39 <Nothing\> i guess being immunocompromised, they develop a thrush infection much easier
41:36 <Nothing\> i wanna watch this movie
41:37 <steve30> i'm going for a lie down
41:39 <Nothing\> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVyRYjJoZfc
41:39 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: Matango (1963) trailer
41:52 <Nothing\> steve30, enjoy. Hope it's fruitful.
41:56 <coppice> Of all birds thrush seem to have the most infections
42:10 <Nothing\> lol
43:15 <Nothing\> ooh
43:39 <Nothing\> this oled i have is 64x128. I thought it was 32x128
44:13 <Nothing\> the demo i uploaded was for 32x128 but it looked fine on the screen i have. I should try the other demo for the larger screen
48:14 <Nothing\> nope, guess it's only 32 pixels high
48:23 <Nothing\> i tried the 64 and it just did nothing
48:25 <rust_collector> I have a spare laptop, but I can not find ram for it...
48:34 <Nothing\> that sucks
50:20 <Ampera> Nothing\, it always has white on it
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00:56 <Nothing\> sometimes i think my cats intentionally rub up against me to try and destroy what i'm working on with an ESD
02:16 <Nothing\> oh hey
03:22 <Nothing\> do any of you guys know if it's possible with an arduino to generate a query box in windows, say just a box with an "OK" button in it. And then when you press the button, it changes the state of one of the IO pins
03:45 <Nothing\> or some way you can do that with a keypress
04:36 <Nothing\> i'm just asking out of curiosity really. So it's not important. It was just an errant thought I had on the can.
09:31 <rust_collector> I am pretty sure it is possible, but I don't do confuser programming...
11:09 <rust_collector> it would probably not be generated by the arduino, but some program in windows, that gets an input from the arduino, I would think
15:01 <Nothing\> this is cool
15:30 <Nothing\> i've gotten back in touch with my 2nd oldest (oldest as in longest known) friend and my best friend growing up
15:47 <Nothing\> rust_collector, yeah that's what i was thinking
15:54 <Nothing\> like a windows dialog window
16:08 <rust_collector> yes, probably
16:27 <Nothing\> but man, I haven't talked to this guy in... oh probably 25 years
16:41 <Nothing\> he was one of the few genuine friends i had
17:00 <Nothing\> in that he never screwed me over, never broke my trust, never betrayed me
17:39 <Nothing\> i always felt bed that when we stopped being friends i treated him like shit because i was "hanging out" with the cool kids
17:42 <rust_collector> oh, it is not too late for that yet, lol
17:49 <Nothing\> exactly
18:13 <Nothing\> and i'm glad cuz i wanted to apologize to my friend's dad who took me in when i was homeless cuz i was a shithead when i lived with him
18:31 <Nothing\> but i found out a couple weeks ago his dad died in 2019
19:06 <Nothing\> i mean, the guy didn't even know me, i'd only been friends with his son for a month and they took me in when my mom kicked me out
19:39 <Nothing\> but being an entitled teenager, i just made fun of him, drank, did drugs and was just an all around dipshit
20:32 <Nothing\> their mother is still alive so i figure once this covid stuff's over i'll go and visit with her. I wouldn't mind catching up anyways.
21:01 <Nothing\> heh she's super christian, so she'll be over the moon to find that i've accepted God
21:09 <rust_collector> you better eat whatever disgusting cookies she has made for you...
21:32 <rust_collector> and not complain even a little bit
21:36 <Nothing\> she was cool about it though, she'd ask me if i wanted to come to church with them once in a while, but she was never preachy or shaming about it
21:58 <Nothing\> rust_collector, one rule i have is to never EVER complain about a favour
22:26 <Nothing\> or complain about something free
22:40 <rust_collector> right. thanks for this awesome food poisoning.
22:41 <Nothing\> like if somebody makes a meal for me
22:50 <rust_collector> best I ever had
22:50 <Nothing\> DO NOT COMPLAIN, NO EXCEPTIONS
23:11 <Nothing\> unless of course there's ground up glass in it or something but that's an understandable exception, i'm sure
23:26 <Nothing\> rust_collector, yeah that too
23:42 <rust_collector> the swedes like their ground up glass.
23:51 <Nothing\> unfortunately i'm rather like howard hughes when it comes to food
23:51 <rust_collector> stop being so canadian all the time
24:04 <Nothing\> at least how he was portrayed in the movie
24:12 <Nothing\> seeing food as being disgusting
24:23 <Nothing\> or most food anyway
25:21 <Nothing\> i can't eat chicken because i find it disgusting in that way
25:34 <Nothing\> it's as if i'm eating a carcass, which really i am
25:41 <rust_collector> mmhmm
25:46 <Nothing\> but i'd prefer to separate the notion of a carcass from food
26:36 <rust_collector> it has been a long time since I had chicken that was like chicken. most of it these days are grown too fast, and is like fat foam stuff
27:12 <Nothing\> hrm i usually just have boneless breasts whenever my mum makes chicken
27:18 <rust_collector> 60% fat foam, 30% tendons, and the rest is probably salt water
27:23 <Nothing\> she knows i know much like chicken with bones in it
27:29 <Nothing\> or whole chickens
27:46 <Nothing\> rust_collector, don't forget ash
28:03 <Nothing\> ash makes up a good percentage of meat content
28:32 <rust_collector> hmmm? it is converted to meat first, no?
29:34 <Nothing\> i can't wait until artificial meat is a reality
29:49 <Nothing\> it'll shut those peta guys up
29:52 <Nothing\> that's for sure
30:02 <rust_collector> I do not agree
30:10 <Nothing\> how's that?
30:19 <rust_collector> well, it might shut those people up, but
30:25 <rust_collector> I do not like the idea
30:34 <Nothing\> why not?
31:05 <Nothing\> i think it's great. You can make meat without ever needing the animal or a farm or time to raise it
31:41 <Nothing\> it's the perfect system, and it'll cut the price of meat significantly
32:09 <rust_collector> nah. I do not like them messing with food. they are already messing up grains and stuff. but they really should kill 3/4 of the people, and there would already be enough food for all that are left
32:24 <Nothing\> we've just gotta get past the R&d phase to make it more cost and time feasible
34:34 <rust_collector> I am just very against this eternal growth idea. I dunno.
36:51 <rust_collector> but don't worry, they will create new green jobs for everyone. whatever that is
37:01 <rust_collector> Ok, I am going outside a bit
58:58 <Nothing\> enjoy
59:34 <Nothing\> one thing i've learned in my struggles with mental health problems is going outside, or especially for walks does wonders for one's mental state
59:48 <Nothing\> personally i find it almost meditative
00:38 <Kuschelpony> https://jabber.de:5281/upload/mPbHKCyLYHoyiYnJ/Landschaft.JPG
01:09 <Nothing\> oh hey
01:21 <Nothing\> can anyone suggest the best version of spice for windows?
01:36 <Nothing\> it seems like there are so many different versions of spice preceeded by a letter
01:40 <Nothing\> like lspice
02:58 <Nothing\> actually now that I think about it, the beginning chapters in the tutorial "text book" section on all about circuits goes into detail about using SPICE. I should read over that stuff agin.
04:09 <steve30> Nothing\, interesting, i always find walking very stressful
04:28 <Nothing\> personally as a hobbyist, i don't see a need for SPICE. I mean I understand it's much more accurate, but in my experiences, circuitmod had worked well enough that I'v never had to use spice in its place
05:18 <steve30> I always quite liked Multisim, which has some kind of SPICE backend
05:30 <Kuschelpony> im an old fart, i have never managed to set uo NGspice to run, my circuitd are all straight from my brain
05:30 <steve30> I've also used PSPICE with Orcad
05:58 <Nothing\> steve30, really? that's odd. Is it stressful right away? Or does it slowly become stressful? And does the stress reach a peak? or just go up and up until you stop?
06:23 <arch> about to etch this out https://i.imgur.com/6faftJd.png
06:35 <arch> layout looks good, imo
07:02 <arch> https://i.imgur.com/yfY48nT.png
08:46 <Nothing\> here's circuitmod, in case you're unfamiliar
09:19 <Nothing\> i've loaded a standard PLL circuit into it witha stardard phase detector (rather than an XOR gate)
09:22 <Nothing\> https://tinyurl.com/yg32mux9
09:24 <EEVBot> [Title] - Redirecting to https://lushprojects.com/circuitjs/circuitjs.html?ctz=CQAgjCAMB0l3BWcDoBYDsAmdA2dBOdMMADhzEnxB0hCQVoQFMBaYgKDARJFTBxCZIPVKh5CekdgGM6YTIOFyFmVLXWx4kCC1TRV+SAnyYc+VAGYSlhTDhh2AJ2WCsdXK9sgL8Jy5+o7gIBUOBaUgDuQZ7RIVIA5rGQgQgeFhYC6uwASuCYPPy0OIGFoQrytJjQSFVIGgjsUfIFJnk8cY1t3sm8-N2Bkb0CYB58AhJQ7ADyXSEktHGTAIbeGeDyQ+sKVFwgbEgU4YKwuOToqck4mAioNSc4OFbpD1YG6GFanSH4wWs-k1FnrM1iNMl8QaM+qCAZtoWMtpN+BBmuAaOAPKUpM5MKpUQsepi6HAvj1-iFMTJ+niqRMNFoqFVIKcnhlH
10:46 <steve30> Nothing\, I am a bit unsteady when stood up so have to concentrate on where i'm going, and i get tired easily when walking.
11:07 <steve30> I walk a lot to get from one place to another, but don't particularly enjoy it
11:10 <Nothing\> steve30, sounds like more than just sleep deprivation to me. You sure you're alright?
11:23 <Nothing\> oh, you mean when you walk
11:38 <Nothing\> i thought you meant riht now
11:57 <Nothing\> but either way, that could still be indicitave of a heart problem
13:10 <steve30> I'm much better on a bike - much less unsteady
13:14 <Nothing\> it can sometimes manifest as dizziness, light headedness, tiredness, things of that nature
13:36 <Nothing\> bike's are much less impact
14:08 <steve30> I am quite prone to diziness when walking, especially if i do more than a mile or so
14:28 <steve30> also, cool circuit simulator
14:28 * Ampera attacks Nothing\ with a bowl of fusilli and italian sausage in sauce with cheddar cheese
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14:43 <Nothing\> hey Ampera
14:44 * Ampera launches flanking fire of the same at steve30 
14:45 <Nothing\> jeezz
15:06 <Nothing\> apparently my cousin left went out with his wife and left the kids at home last night
15:12 <Nothing\> which is fine, the oldest is like 13
15:19 <steve30> A nice meal would be quite pleasant now, but i've lost my appetite
15:19 <Ampera> uh
15:22 <Nothing\> but at some point the CO alarm started going off
15:28 <Nothing\> upstairs and downstairs
15:49 <Nothing\> so she freaked out and called them, they told her to get everyone out asap, so she did
16:13 <Nothing\> they called 911, fire dept came and said the levels were high enough that if they didn't have the alarms, they would have died within the hour
16:27 <Nothing\> and this is a new house they just moved into like a month ago
16:38 <Nothing\> that's fucking scary
16:53 <Ampera> honestly, great job on the kids for doing what was needed
16:55 <Nothing\> i couldn't imagine if all those kids died
17:04 <Nothing\> yeah they're very smart kids
17:13 <Nothing\> my cousin's a great dad
17:21 <Nothing\> and grew up with a great dad
17:38 <Nothing\> actually, both him and his dad were firefighters so they know all about this stuff
18:07 <Nothing\> volunteer, but still just as noble i think
18:15 <Nothing\> if not more
19:08 <Nothing\> my cousin had to stop once he got a family cuz he remembered how he always worried any time his dad went off to a call and he never knew if he'd come back or get hurt or something.
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20:22 <Nothing\> plus my aunt woulda been pissed if he did it full time. She worried enough.
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30:29 <arch> what are the implications of reflow soldering electrolytic caps? is it detrimental to apply 240C for a few minutes?
31:09 <steve30> Don't know for sure but they should be designed to tolerate soldering
31:24 <steve30> otherwise there wouldn't be any boards with reflow soldered caps :)
32:17 <arch> you are right https://www.mouser.com/pdfDocs/UCC_SMDReflowConditions.pdf
32:34 <arch> temps above 230C should be limited to < 60s max
33:13 <arch> but that's for smt alum poly caps
33:20 <arch> not really pure electrolytic
34:53 <arch> are there solder pastes that also contain an adhesive to keep parts on the board? i find myself knocking parts out of place sometimes, when prepping for reflow jobs
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36:20 <steve30> usually for things like that you'd use a seperate glue to glue to component to the board
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36:55 <arch> is using superglue a bad idea? it does make nasty fumes
38:05 <steve30> not sure
38:18 <steve30> my personal suggestion would be to just try and not knock the components out of place :)
38:22 <steve30> (if you can)
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01:26 <steve30> i wonder if i ought to try and go out on the bike later
01:41 <steve30> i'm still feeling rubbish, but better than yesterday, so i might manage it
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32:12 <MrMobodies> Hello, i just spoke to someone
32:34 <MrMobodies> they said they paid £1500 on some cad package a few years ago.
32:57 <MrMobodies> which had an agreement for the updates and so on
33:19 <MrMobodies> he didn't say which company it was from
33:28 <MrMobodies> but he was told today that it was being discontinued
33:35 <MrMobodies> before the 3 years remaining
33:48 <MrMobodies> and that they were switching to cloud based
34:09 <MrMobodies> where it requires a frequent internet connection
34:18 <MrMobodies> for licensing and activiation
34:33 <MrMobodies> and it was going to cost me £240 a month for this subscription
35:03 <MrMobodies> So that would cost nearly double in a year
35:20 <MrMobodies> they want him to set up an account and for his employees
35:47 <MrMobodies> I thinking the word "extortion".
36:10 <MrMobodies> I hope he finds a different vendor than put up with that nonsense.
36:25 <rust_collector> I do not think anyone is forcing him to use autodesk products...
36:52 <MrMobodies> I'll ask tomorrow, I feed his dog ice cream every sunday if I am there
37:25 <rust_collector> otoh, it could be that it is worth it, if it does what he needs
37:28 <MrMobodies> from the ice cream van, well I have a large Sunday boat and give the dog half and it laps it all up from the plastic tray
37:38 <MrMobodies> I'll find out what vendor
37:59 <MrMobodies> I'll see if I can help find someone who isn't going to do that
38:14 <rust_collector> good luck with that
40:50 <rust_collector> hmm, and... be careful giving ice cream to dogs.
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09:35 <StupidLikeAFox> Schawnn's sells some stupid beef ice cream for dawgs
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49:28 * Ampera kisses Nothing\ 
10:46 <Halcyon> Morning all
10:56 <rust_collector> hoi-oo
11:41 <Halcyon> T3sl4: https://youtu.be/CJHY0Tt8kzY?t=28
11:59 <steve30> hi
12:04 <T3sl4> m'birb
12:58 <Halcyon> Happy birb
18:30 <rust_collector> I wonder if it is normal for a little transformer to sit there at 47 degrees, with nothing on the output.
18:55 <T3sl4> 47C, so about 22C rise? yeah, pretty normal
19:09 <steve30> doesn't sound too unreasonable
19:22 * steve30 ponders going outside
19:27 <rust_collector> ok. that is good then
20:00 <rust_collector> oh no, the outside?
20:24 <steve30> i've not been out since tuesday and i really need some fresh air
21:45 <rust_collector> ok, so go outside, and be done with it
23:22 * Ampera hugs Halcyon 
25:22 * T3sl4 pets Ampera
25:48 <Halcyon> Hey Ampera :)
26:00 <Ampera> hello friend
26:03 <Ampera> hello other friend
26:04 <Ampera> <3
26:11 <T3sl4> :3
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27:10 <Halcyon> I'm making a shopping list
27:15 <Ampera> how are you doing T3sl4 and Halcyon
27:31 <T3sl4> good, munching some rice and beans
27:51 <Halcyon> Yummy
27:53 <Ampera> rice and beans
27:56 <Ampera> I've never heard of that before
27:59 <Halcyon> I'm going to make a kale pesto pasta tonight
28:00 <Ampera> what an odd combination
28:04 <Halcyon> I have a bunch of kale I need to use up
28:10 * T3sl4 twaps Ampera with his own sausage
28:22 <Halcyon> Rice and beans are delicious, I usually throw a bit of corn in as well, maybe some cauliflower
28:30 <Ampera> I made fusilli and italian sausage with sauce and cheddar cheese
28:38 <Halcyon> Mmmm
28:41 <Halcyon> Also delicious
28:41 <Ampera> very nice cheddar General Burgoyne.
28:49 <Ampera> made in NY
28:52 <T3sl4> fusili, many silly
28:57 <Halcyon> Hah
29:16 <Halcyon> Anyway I got to get to the post office before it closes to pick up my parcel
29:18 * Ampera attacks T3sl4 with a slice of parmesan carved into a shiv
29:18 <Halcyon> Back soon
29:25 <Ampera> don't die
29:27 <Ampera> or do idfk
29:30 <Halcyon> I'll try not to
30:27 <T3sl4> Ampera, stabbing a wisconsinite with cheese is like murdering steve irwin with a manta ray
31:10 <Ampera> the difference is people liked steve irwin
32:32 <rust_collector> who did?
32:51 <Ampera> people
32:55 <Ampera> you're just not familiar with people
33:00 <Ampera> understandable, they're illegal in europe
36:35 <rust_collector> ah
36:49 <rust_collector> yes, people. we don't like them here
37:03 <Ampera> if there was a people right here, I'd kill it right now
37:21 * T3sl4 beep boop
37:29 <Ampera> KILL IT
37:32 * Ampera kills T3sl4 with love
37:42 <T3sl4> what is this emotion!? D:
38:51 * Ampera love T3sl4 so hard it hurts
38:55 <Ampera> *loves
41:21 <T3sl4> that's a whole lotta love
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13:59 * Halcyon pounds Ampera
14:09 * Ampera hugs Halcyon 
14:12 <Ampera> how are you doing Halcyon?
14:27 <Halcyon> I'm good, I just returned from the shops
17:05 * jaymax kilos Ampera
17:24 * Ampera stones jaymax 
17:34 * jaymax moons Ampera
18:39 * T3sl4 betelguises jaymax
18:50 <jaymax> They say a house is never complete - in my world, same goes for sheds.
19:11 <Halcyon> That's a great movie
19:29 <jaymax> betelguese betelguese betelguese
20:45 <T3sl4> *enormous star crashes into jaymax*
21:06 * jaymax gets spaghettified
22:37 <T3sl4> heh, as a red giant it's just a somewhat slower/more excruciating vaporization
23:12 <jaymax> Red giant ... like Unicron in the OG Transformers film?
23:32 <jaymax> I'd vet for the slower/more excruciating vaporization.
26:11 <rust_collector> we do not have time for that now, but go to our website, and set up an appointment
47:20 * steve30 returns from outside
48:01 <rust_collector> oh good. welcome to inside
48:33 <steve30> :)
48:49 <steve30> first time i've been out since tuesday
50:24 <rust_collector> was it as bad as you remembered it?
50:51 <steve30> yup
51:08 <rust_collector> well, you made it. good job
51:26 <rust_collector> have some coffee and 3 pieces of chocolate
51:42 <T3sl4> wow, spoiled
52:53 <rust_collector> well, I believe he is from modern times, so beating him with a belt and locking him outside, to fight wolves and such is not seen as the proper way any more
08:55 <Halcyon> I'm trying to decide between a bacon sandwich or black garlic noodles for lunch
09:31 <rust_collector> sandwich, but not with bacon
09:41 <Halcyon> But I have open bacon that needs to be used soon
09:57 <Halcyon> I also have bread thats a few days old
09:58 <rust_collector> fry it, and eat it, then make a proper sandwich
10:52 <rust_collector> but noodles are not legal on a sunday
13:31 <Halcyon> But their tasty
13:35 <Halcyon> the're
13:37 <Halcyon> they're
13:39 <Halcyon> Fuck
13:43 <Halcyon> Stupid fingers
14:36 <rust_collector> they will be tasty tomorrow also. I think you could make a bacon and grilled cheese sandwich, to get around half of the other rule
16:35 <rust_collector> you can use weird cheese, if you have to
20:25 * T3sl4 nibbles Halcyon're's tasty fingers
22:33 <Halcyon> I ended up going an avocado, cheese, bacon, red onion and beetroot burger with big mac sauce
24:50 <rust_collector> "I can have bread or noodles, so I took meat"
24:51 <steve30> i'm going to get food
25:40 <rust_collector> hmm, big mac sauce... is that sort of like thin thousand island? I have not had a big mac in probably a decade
25:46 <Halcyon> I opted with the bread option since it and the ingredients I have won't last much longer
26:42 <Halcyon> I'm going away tomorrow so the leftovers in the fridge are unlikely to get eaten
27:07 <rust_collector> good thing it is sunday, so you can eat everything in there
27:54 <Halcyon> https://youtu.be/aYHnKTJtsmg?t=789
27:58 <Halcyon> These look delicious
28:15 <rust_collector> you almost made me want to try a big mac again. but I don't really want to, lol
28:38 <Halcyon> I just buy the sauce in a bottle and make my own burgers. Home made is so much better
29:14 <rust_collector> the sauce is what made me stop eating them. Oh, and having to go there.
29:24 <Halcyon> The sauce is the best part
29:25 <rust_collector> that video looks like some good things
29:27 <T3sl4> oooh, a new science! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxXEI0Ce6C0
30:01 <Halcyon> What's the water for? To keep it cool?
30:08 <T3sl4> watch :P
30:18 <Halcyon> 23 minutes......
30:20 <Halcyon> Fine
30:38 <T3sl4> you cam't science overnight
37:30 <MrMobodies> Hello, looks like they are abolishing a once decent college on green belt land and going to build houses
37:38 <MrMobodies> https://www.romfordrecorder.co.uk/news/housing/harold-hill-120-home-development-demolition-to-begin-8342018
37:56 <MrMobodies> I had a friend who did electronics engineering in the 80's at that campus
38:47 <MrMobodies> I went there one day in 2010 and they were helping people in their 20's to learn to read and write and make a cup tea, spell the alphabet and so on
38:52 <MrMobodies> but they were advertising security
39:11 <MrMobodies> I thought they great so I saw an advisor and asked what controls were they using
39:26 <MrMobodies> for the lessons
39:51 <MrMobodies> Schenider inet, Tyco, Ccure, and so on
40:24 <MrMobodies> to my shock, it has nothing to do with that
40:29 <MrMobodies> they training for bouncers
40:57 <MrMobodies> people who stand out the door waiting for trouble outside pubs and nightclubs...
41:22 <MrMobodies> I never knew you needed a qualification for that.
41:40 <steve30> you sometimes do, it depends on the exact job and who employs you
41:53 <rust_collector> there are many things you don't need, but you can get anyway
42:12 <MrMobodies> bouncers? well I suppose they have to be trained and are much needed now
42:25 <MrMobodies> seeing how police are everywhere in Romford at night patrol the pubs
42:37 <MrMobodies> I mean qualifications to become a bouncer
42:50 <MrMobodies> but they stopped doing electronics at that place
43:07 <MrMobodies> I was told a week later, we did run courses ten years ago to fix televisions
43:21 <MrMobodies> now they demand as dropped, and people just go out and buy a new one
43:37 <MrMobodies> and they wanted £14,000 to run a course for me privately
44:19 <MrMobodies> all I wanted to do is to learn out of interest
44:24 <MrMobodies> but anybody doesn't matter now, I am slowly learning thanks to eevblog
44:50 <MrMobodies> and Dave Jone videos
44:52 <rust_collector> that is not bad. that is about the same as I paid for my drivers license, and that was just a week or so
45:30 <MrMobodies> I couldn't afford £14,000 not exactly well off
46:00 <rust_collector> well, I only paid 12500 for my license, so it was not that bad
46:08 <MrMobodies> but I had a few friends who invited me into their work places, shown me how to solder and making it look like now work was done of the pcb quite simple how they showed me
46:20 <MrMobodies> £12,500 pounds?
46:25 <MrMobodies> wow
46:38 <rust_collector> yes. 140k norwegian moneys
46:48 <MrMobodies> aah different money
47:08 <rust_collector> well, yes, they will not take pounds up here
47:37 <MrMobodies> so that £14,000 in the current is 163553.94
47:44 <rust_collector> yep
47:47 <MrMobodies> oops *currency
48:17 <MrMobodies> I suppose if there were 20 students that would be about £700
48:33 <MrMobodies> but he cited not enough demand
48:54 <MrMobodies> and they got rid of a lot of equipment
49:17 <rust_collector> I don't think people are interested in fixing modern cheaply made tvs. the old ones look more fixable, I think
49:34 <MrMobodies> you have an excellent point there that i back up right now
49:39 <MrMobodies> that horrible Samsung tv I am working on
49:43 <MrMobodies> they put the leds in series
49:43 <rust_collector> and they are getting old... so will just be replcaed
49:59 <MrMobodies> so if two break in a string of 28 the string stops
50:18 <MrMobodies> and they overvoltage them to get extra brightness is what i believe as to why they break down within a couple of years
50:40 <MrMobodies> they man want's the leds replaced
50:51 <MrMobodies> the one who said he got cheated by Samsung
51:09 <MrMobodies> I'll get the leds I said I can't guarantee anything
51:19 <MrMobodies> and if it works you can't run it at full brightness
51:26 <MrMobodies> so it is going to look pretty dim
51:37 <MrMobodies> and his eye's aren't good with light either
51:48 <MrMobodies> that would be a bit of s truggle
52:06 <MrMobodies> if he turns the lights off to see the picture on say 30%, it couldn't be good for eyes
52:37 <MrMobodies> I'd happily take computer monitors apart to replace the panel or the lighting
52:47 <rust_collector> what voltage do they run them at? 28 leds, 75-80v?
53:08 <MrMobodies> but that thing has 18 strips (9 when joined)
53:27 <MrMobodies> I have the psu with me
53:42 <rust_collector> always bring the psu, lol
54:01 <MrMobodies> one string has 28 leds altogether at 3v per led
54:08 <MrMobodies> *nominal
54:29 <rust_collector> oh.
54:45 <MrMobodies> very dim at 3v though
55:13 <rust_collector> do the leds have several leds inside?
55:55 <MrMobodies> https://i.imgur.com/7pMsIJw.jpg
55:59 <MrMobodies> yes
56:16 <MrMobodies> 2 strips in series
56:32 <MrMobodies> 28 leds per string but one is board seems odd
57:09 <MrMobodies> aah 20 channels
57:16 <MrMobodies> oops 2 channels
57:37 <MrMobodies> so that 2nd channel with he lower voltage must be for the string that is just 14 leds at the bottom
57:50 <MrMobodies> oh might be more than 14 I don't know
58:45 <rust_collector> Oh, I mean, inside each led, are there more than one chip, or what they call them? I guess there would be.
59:04 <MrMobodies> so actually you were accurate 75 to 80v would be for about 14x 3v leds in series
59:23 <MrMobodies> I don't see any chips
59:36 <MrMobodies> just some resistors on the contacts joining the end strip
59:52 <MrMobodies> https://i.imgur.com/tCJ2SjF.jpg
00:15 <rust_collector> I mean the light emitting thingies inside the led. I know some led packages have several light sources inside.
00:45 <MrMobodies> oh yes, well I am not sure about these
00:49 <MrMobodies> I'll look into that
00:56 <MrMobodies> oooh
00:58 <MrMobodies> the film
01:05 <rust_collector> they would probably be hard to see, and you migh thave to ruin them, to have a look.
01:17 <MrMobodies> I did put some resistors in series
01:21 <MrMobodies> to prevent them blowing up
01:40 <MrMobodies> he had that one for about 3 years
01:44 <MrMobodies> all the lights went out
01:54 <MrMobodies> he suspect the power supply so order another of ebay
02:10 <MrMobodies> he put it in and it worked for another couple of months
02:21 <MrMobodies> then some strings started to dim
02:31 <MrMobodies> and then gradually they became dimmer and dimmer and all went out
03:47 <rust_collector> I wonder if the backlight from say a laptop would be ok as a lamp, above my desk. But I don't really know anything about that stuff. I think they make a good amount of light
03:50 <MrMobodies> type: V5DR_550SCA
06:06 <MrMobodies> I came across this but I am not sure if matches
06:07 <MrMobodies> http://www.normandled.com/upload/201605/WS2813%20LED%20Datasheet.pdf
06:18 <MrMobodies> it looks like that type can change colour by voltage
06:50 <MrMobodies> aah no they have data pins
06:59 <MrMobodies> these ones don't
07:24 <MrMobodies> https://nl.aliexpress.com/item/1005003129783961.html
08:17 <rust_collector> ooh, dutch... mijn kont jeukt
08:31 <MrMobodies> I tried removing nl but it goes back
11:23 <MrMobodies> Anyway next week I got to find a provider
11:37 <MrMobodies> that will test the led strips before they are sent out
11:54 <MrMobodies> and I brought a power supply from Scotland from a set that had been smashed
12:01 <MrMobodies> the screen I mean it shown working
12:11 <MrMobodies> shame because I wanted to buy the whole thing
12:22 <MrMobodies> but it was 300 miles away
12:26 <MrMobodies> and we were in lockdown
12:53 <MrMobodies> but I know the power supply sent from that one is fine if it lights them all up on that set in the listing photo
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58:54 * steve30 coffees
25:48 * Halcyon throws beans at steve30 
26:06 <steve30> :)
37:25 * T3sl4 throws beans and rice at Halcyon
23:00 <steve30> What a creative advert;
23:14 <steve30> apparently you can get an app to listen to "this radio station"
27:41 <Kuschelpony> thats a pretty good way to tel me i stay with another station
37:56 <Halcyon> Brrr
37:59 <Halcyon> It's cold out
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40:45 <steve30> Halcyon, why do guys on hookup sites lack conversation skills?
41:24 <Halcyon> Because they are usually the dregs of society who have been on that site for years and years.
41:39 <Halcyon> Or they just want your smooth butt :P
41:45 <Halcyon> One or the other
48:56 <Kuschelpony> steve, perhaps because the others have alredy found their mates
51:17 <Halcyon> I remember jumping on Grindr after something like 5 years and it was still the same faces and the same old crap
51:21 <Halcyon> No thanks
51:47 <Kuschelpony> im honest to say, i fel like im also sinking closer to the bottom of that barrell
55:46 <Halcyon> Nah, you're a nice person Kuschelpony
55:57 <Halcyon> You're too good for Grindr
56:20 <Kuschelpony> mmh, i have no idea about grindr, but im honest to say i DO look out to find some kind of dating site
56:39 <Kuschelpony> but not for the one night hookups, a bit more for playful friends
57:17 <Halcyon> Well depends if you're into the guys or not. A few friends of mine use Scruff
57:31 <Halcyon> Tinder is apparently for both now, although I've never used it
59:32 <Kuschelpony> complicated...
59:50 <Halcyon> Isn't it always
59:57 <Halcyon> Nothing is simple
00:17 <Kuschelpony> im not specifically into guys, espically not interested in the sexual partz at all, but i seem to be much more compatible to go out with gay-ish guys instead of the fear to creep out womans
01:02 <Halcyon> Fair enough
01:29 <Kuschelpony> ideally i just look out for humans (or two legged ponies :) out of gender at all
02:02 <Halcyon> Some people aren't into sex
02:08 <Halcyon> And that's fine, each to their own
05:26 <Kuschelpony> totally right
06:37 <Kuschelpony> i just have the impression, there is a major gap between two extremes, on the one side people just into random one night hookup sex, on the other side people demanding a lifetime intimate relationship potentialy leading to marriage
07:28 <Halcyon> I have feet in both camps
07:42 <Halcyon> I prefer the latter
09:16 <Kuschelpony> i am likely too shallow for the second, but also i want much more of a longtime friendship for the first, so i feel torn in the middle
16:52 <steve30> It would be easier to meet people of all kinds on such websites if they at least had the ability to converse in complete sentences
17:06 <Halcyon> Steve that's the biggest problem I find
17:25 <Halcyon> Or the guys are just losers, who don't work, don't have any education, don't have ambitions
21:20 <Kuschelpony> oops
21:59 <Halcyon> What's wrong Kuschelpony ?
22:12 <Halcyon> I'm bleeding :(
22:18 <Kuschelpony> i meant in response to the experience that steve mentioned
22:30 <Kuschelpony> and "ouch" for you as well
22:32 <Halcyon> Yeh true
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