// #eevblog — 2021-08-26
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01:36:14 <electrohead> random question - does anyone in here have a spare laptop they are willing to sell?
01:36:27 <electrohead> preferably something not too ancient
01:36:54 <rust_collector> sure. it is crap and low spec, and not worth shipping, but it is not very old
01:37:46 <electrohead> if it's crap and low spec, why say something, you goof?
01:38:13 <rust_collector> you only said you wanted one that was not ancient...
01:38:18 <electrohead> :p
01:38:47 <rust_collector> it will probably run ok, without xorg, if you install crux or something
01:39:38 <electrohead> it's cool, sorry I asked
01:39:51 <rust_collector> oh, and it is an asus, so it would probably not survive the trip anyway
01:40:05 <rust_collector> yeah, you shouel have learnt by now
01:41:39 <rust_collector> what sort of thing are you after? a cheap consumer grade thing, that you can open facebook on, or some business model, from 2 generations ago, maybe?
01:41:59 <rust_collector> big/small...
01:42:08 <rust_collector> does it need a good battery?
01:46:33 <electrohead> something better than my thinkpad T60, for my new desk area
01:46:51 <rust_collector> hmm, a T430?
01:47:05 <electrohead> at least 4 GB of RAM, 250 GB hard drive, don't care much about the battery, as it can be plugged in 24/7 if need be
01:47:16 <electrohead> quad core processor
01:47:52 <Ampera> electrohead, get a Pinebook Pro
01:47:56 <Ampera> it can meet those specs
01:48:27 <electrohead> I'm willing to get something used; don't want to spend more than, umm
01:48:32 <electrohead> 300-400
01:48:38 <electrohead> just something to get by
01:48:43 <electrohead> I shall check that out
01:48:47 <Ampera> Pinebook Pro is also in that price range
01:48:52 <Ampera> No clue if you can get them, may have to wait for one
01:49:00 <Ampera> but they can do most basic things
01:49:07 <Ampera> chrome, youtube, IRC
01:49:32 <Ampera> PBP also now has a proper firmware that you can flash to the SPI, called TowBoot
01:49:35 <Ampera> works great, really makes it easy to use
01:49:36 <rust_collector> I think I have seen the W500 and w5(?)60 for sale on the cheaper side lately
02:33:59 <hsn> hello all ... i miss u all .. im being busy .. just wanted to say hi and enjoy ur days
02:36:18 <K> hello hsn
02:36:31 * K sends some rain and +14C to hsn
02:37:43 <hsn> nice .. thanks man ..
02:38:56 <K> want some wind too?
02:54:54 <electrohead> http://www.tauntek.com/LogICTester-low-cost-logic-chip-tester.htm
02:56:20 <StupidLikeAFox> I need a new component tester, my $30 amazon one has been acting odd
02:59:10 <StupidLikeAFox> https://www.amazon.com/BSIDE-ESR02-PRO-Capacitance-Tweezers/dp/B07CWTFQ52/
03:00:36 <StupidLikeAFox> it claims it tests inductance, but I've never been able to get a good result beyond 'is there some inductance between these terminals?'
03:01:36 <StupidLikeAFox> love the form factor though
03:02:22 <K> prolly is some clone of that "transistor-component" tester inside
03:02:43 <K> this looks like it is worth those $30
03:05:41 <StupidLikeAFox> it's been claiming either high resistance or capacitance values acrosss the pins when oipen circuit
03:05:57 <K> cant comment on that
03:06:15 <K> component tester is not a precision tool in my mind
03:06:16 <StupidLikeAFox> K: that was my first thought, but it seems to act different than Big Clive's
03:06:25 <StupidLikeAFox> perhaps inspired by it
03:08:12 <K> i've occasinaly been lookin at those - https://www.peakelec.co.uk/acatalog/peak-test-instruments.html
03:08:26 <StupidLikeAFox> heh, those push in terminal on the front are shoved in the front of the case after the board is in, then soldered\
03:08:45 <StupidLikeAFox> gonna try soakinmg the board in some iso cause I can't hurt it worse
03:09:16 <K> prolly not
03:09:20 <StupidLikeAFox> after I pop off the LCD backlight wires so I can sit it aside
03:10:20 <StupidLikeAFox> tbh, mainly picked this one cause it has banana jacks
03:10:34 <K> oh well
03:10:54 <K> im off into the autumn elements
03:11:51 <StupidLikeAFox> 'Later
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03:51:21 <T3sl4> ugh, that was a big exhausting
03:51:31 <T3sl4> good walk, but it had to be high noon
03:53:13 <Lord_of_nothing> Hey
03:53:31 <Lord_of_nothing> How does everyone feel todayß
03:53:36 <Lord_of_nothing> Here its sssooo cold!
03:55:37 * T3sl4 hugs Lord_of_nothing, curing their coldishness
04:05:58 * Lord_of_nothing want hug Kuschelpony to but it is afraid because i refuse to get a Vacine.
04:10:10 <T3sl4> that's wise, of pony i mean
04:15:45 <electrohead> Lord_of_nothing: you refuse to get the covid vaccine?
04:18:24 <Lord_of_nothing> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Ejga4kJUts
04:18:34 <Lord_of_nothing> Yes i did with proud.
04:28:24 <Lord_of_nothing> Well that is rite music for my mood: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-YzdvmD2aQ
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04:35:31 <DHess_US> T3sl4, took my walk this morning at 6 and it was still too hot.
04:36:00 <T3sl4> yeah, you got the gulf ballsweat thing going down there
04:36:23 <electrohead> with the added puddle around your asshole? lol
04:36:35 <Lord_of_nothing> well mabe its warm in Kabul
04:38:33 <T3sl4> no, that came from something else
04:38:37 * T3sl4 rubs on electrohead
04:42:39 * electrohead explodes
04:50:49 <StupidLikeAFox> electrohead: Did you used to be on freenode?
04:51:34 <electrohead> yup!
04:51:50 <electrohead> I'm connected to a bunch of different IRC networks, for the hell of it
04:52:18 <electrohead> when the freenode drama went down, I switched over to libera, just to get away from any more potential drama, etc
04:55:32 <StupidLikeAFox> I (very begrudingly) followed some social channels to libera, stayed in the tech ones on freenode till they did the dumb stuff with their auth
04:56:11 <StupidLikeAFox> been looking into more networks partly to have more egg baskets :P
04:57:42 <StupidLikeAFox> bbl, off to get new spectacles
05:00:22 <electrohead> ok, ttyl
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07:17:53 <StupidLikeAFox> This place had fancy stuff, and the optomotrist was able to count to 6!
07:18:04 <StupidLikeAFox> the last one I saw, he could only count to 2..
07:18:19 <StupidLikeAFox> *typo(s)
07:36:50 <DogWomble> yeah, i really should investigate more irc networks again
07:37:07 <DogWomble> i used ot hang out on OzOrg until this channel moved here :) this is the only one i tend to sit in on
08:39:23 <Halcyon> Morning all
08:43:01 * T3sl4 hugs Halcyon
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08:47:11 <Halcyon> YAY
08:47:27 <T3sl4> i had a nice long walk today
08:47:45 <T3sl4> a little too long, got just a tinge of sunburn. oh well
08:52:05 <Halcyon> Little bit of colour, nice
08:52:51 <T3sl4> we'll see if it develops into anything else, but i doubt it
08:53:15 <Halcyon> I have a haircut in an hour so I probably should go have a shower etc...
08:56:15 * Ampera hugs Halcyon
08:56:21 <Halcyon> Hello Ampera
08:56:25 <Ampera> how are you doing Halcyon
08:56:33 <Halcyon> I'm doing well, how are you?
08:57:38 <Ampera> Just woke up
08:57:58 <Ampera> I've been taking diphenhydramine nonstop to combat the strange allergic reaction I've been having
08:57:58 <Halcyon> Me too
08:58:03 <Ampera> starting to get sick of being out of it all the time
08:58:08 <Halcyon> Is it getting better?
08:58:18 <Ampera> Seemingly. It's having its ups and downs though
08:59:11 <Ampera> I also can now add new lines to my T-Mobile account without being forced to put a 100$ deposit on them
08:59:13 <Ampera> so that's nice
08:59:18 <Ampera> going to try to get more people on the plan
08:59:42 * T3sl4 cuddles Ampera
09:00:12 * Ampera avails T3sl4 the presence of such a magnificent flavor as a large bar of Charleston Chew
09:00:31 <T3sl4> aww ya didn't have to
09:00:36 <Ampera> it really is a big fucking bar too, about a foot long
09:00:40 <T3sl4> giggity
09:00:58 <Ampera> I like charleston chew, but perhaps the mini ones in the 1$ box are a better idea
09:01:15 <Halcyon> I'm going to go shower.
09:01:27 <Ampera> you have fun being moist
09:01:46 <Halcyon> Always do
09:25:52 <T3sl4> well, shit
09:26:06 <T3sl4> i have actual work to do these days
09:26:11 <T3sl4> but psychonauts 2 just dropped
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09:33:50 <StupidLikeAFox> I need to try a GSM phone to see if it does any decent at work
09:34:49 <Ampera> a GSM phone?
09:34:56 <Ampera> as opposed to what
09:34:59 <Ampera> CDMA2000?
09:35:33 <StupidLikeAFox> my phone is a galaxy S7. verizon CDMA version
09:36:06 <Ampera> Does it do VoLTE?
09:36:21 <StupidLikeAFox> I don't know
09:36:37 <Ampera> because it's basically end of line for GSM and CDMA2000
09:36:40 <Ampera> in the US anyways
09:36:55 <StupidLikeAFox> No GSM coverage in my village :T
09:37:05 <Ampera> Where do you live?
09:37:48 <StupidLikeAFox> A village, kind of in a dip on a hill
09:37:58 <Ampera> Your name is apt.
09:38:07 <Ampera> :P
09:38:12 <StupidLikeAFox> midwest US
09:38:29 <Ampera> Midwest and you have absolutely zero coverage by AT&T and T-Mobile
09:39:39 <StupidLikeAFox> I thought t-mobile was also CDMA
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09:39:59 <Ampera> No, T-Mobile is GSM for a couple months more anyways.
09:40:07 <StupidLikeAFox> outside of my village proper I can use either
09:40:33 <Ampera> Afaik they're going to be the first operator to completely discontinue 3G tech
09:40:37 <StupidLikeAFox> what's VoLTE?
09:40:48 <Ampera> Voice over LTE, it will become mandatory on all networks in a few years.
09:41:17 <Ampera> LTE and 5G don't have dedicated voice bands, afaik, so it's basically VoIP over LTE
09:42:00 <Ampera> I'm not sure if it would be apt to consider LTE or 5G "GSM"
09:42:14 <Ampera> usually it refers to 3G tech and older, but someone may be able to correct me on that
09:43:04 <Ampera> In essence it's derived from 3G GSM tech, whereas CDMA2000 is a dead end.
09:45:29 <StupidLikeAFox> SM-G930V
09:45:52 <StupidLikeAFox> can't find anything about wether it is volte capable
09:46:26 <Ampera> Seems like it is
09:46:42 <Ampera> At least the T-Mobile version is, no clue about the Verizon CDMA2000 version
09:47:08 <Ampera> Reading about it, Verizon isn't set to discontinue their CDMA2000 network until new year's 2023
09:47:34 <StupidLikeAFox> it claims to do hotspot, but it doesn't actually do hotspot
09:47:57 <Ampera> It should be physically capable. If it's not doing it, then it's a carrier imposed limitation.
09:48:17 <StupidLikeAFox> https://www.samsung.com/us/business/support/owners/product/galaxy-s7-verizon/
09:49:13 <Ampera> Looks like it supports GSM too
09:49:25 <StupidLikeAFox> I ended up getting it NOS because it was the newest glaxy with a home button
09:49:45 <StupidLikeAFox> it doesn't do cellular data if I'm in a call
09:51:02 <StupidLikeAFox> home button is a pretty important feature for me, cause of work I need to be able to answer and hangup without using the touch screen [gloves]
09:52:08 <Ampera> Yeah that'd be a pickle otherwise
09:53:37 <StupidLikeAFox> the battery being sealed inside it is lame though
09:54:04 <StupidLikeAFox> It does support QC, but I have fast charging disabled to be easier on the battery :T
09:54:06 <Ampera> By all modern standards that S7 is ancient. It's not gotten better in terms of device freedom though
09:54:31 <Ampera> Replaceable battery is a long long gone notion in most phones
09:54:42 <StupidLikeAFox> I've had it less than year (yep, I bought a NOS flagship phone)
09:55:12 <Ampera> However I can one up you, in that my first real cellphone plan I bought in 2020.
09:55:22 <Ampera> before then I only had a small cheap cellphone for emergency calls that i never used
09:55:34 <StupidLikeAFox> it replaced a galaxy J3 luna with a broken screen, too old of android, and no images for my exact hardware model
09:55:36 <Ampera> Cell tech is quite new to me.
09:55:42 <StupidLikeAFox> tracfrone, never had a plan
09:56:00 <Ampera> Right now I have a Galaxy Note 20 Ultra on T-Mobile
09:56:52 <Ampera> I'm not sure how well versed you are with Linux, but https://www.pine64.org/pinephone/
09:57:04 <Ampera> This is /an/ option for a modern phone with a replaceable battery
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09:57:39 <StupidLikeAFox> xubuntu 20.04 on this box
09:58:00 <Ampera> It's designed to run standard GNU/Linux, and if you have the volition to do so, should be easily hardware modifiable to add things like answer/hangup buttons
09:58:36 <Ampera> You could also look into things like cheap feature flip phones, I've seen some with big buttons that'd be great for gloves
09:58:49 <Ampera> with the added benefit that they're so cheap if you break one you could easily buy two more
09:59:22 <StupidLikeAFox> Interesting, it mentions kill switchs got the radios, but doesn't have one for GPS
09:59:41 <Ampera> Does it even have GPS?
09:59:47 <Ampera> guess it does
10:00:12 <Ampera> That being said, it's probably less of a concern, considering you control the software on the device.
10:00:23 <StupidLikeAFox> that phone is huge though, and no hgome button :(
10:00:26 <Ampera> My main gripe is it's just too damn slow and weak, with a beyond pathetic CPU
10:00:41 <Ampera> It's not huge
10:00:44 <Ampera> my phone is bigger
10:00:53 <Ampera> I had one, but gave it to electrohead
10:01:08 <StupidLikeAFox> I think my s7 is borderline too big\
10:01:27 <Ampera> My phone is 7" diagonally
10:01:43 <Ampera> 6.5" x 3"
10:02:44 <StupidLikeAFox> 5" screen diagonal, 2.5 x 4.4
10:03:02 <Ampera> I enjoy big phones
10:03:55 <StupidLikeAFox> 2019 is when I switched from a candybar to a smartphone
10:04:17 <StupidLikeAFox> wait, latew 2018 I think
10:05:05 <StupidLikeAFox> samsung GS150G
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10:39:00 <electrohead> o/
10:46:32 * Ampera hugs electrohead
10:46:39 <Ampera> how are you doing zappydood?
11:00:01 <electrohead> zappydood? lol
11:06:37 <Ampera> zippyboi
11:59:17 <electrohead> zippity do dah, zippity ...
11:59:25 <electrohead> nevermind.
11:59:32 * Ampera hugs electrohead again
11:59:40 <electrohead> lol
11:59:45 <electrohead> what the hell you up to?
12:00:12 <Ampera> sysadmin stuff
12:00:40 <Ampera> wrote up a letter declaring our one month's notice of discontinuation for the CPanel/CentOS server I just helped finished replacing
12:00:55 <electrohead> heh
12:00:58 <electrohead> fun
12:01:09 <Ampera> We've moved everyone off the old server except one person
12:01:13 <Ampera> and that one person does not want to move
12:01:31 <Ampera> so come September 25th, we're pulling plug, off or not
12:05:49 * Halcyon licks Ampera's plug
12:05:55 * electrohead films
12:06:11 <Ampera> Halcyon, that's how you get cholera
12:06:35 <Ampera> how are you doing Halcyon
12:07:45 <Halcyon> My new C64 power supplies arrived. YAY
12:08:22 <Ampera> I am debating having some noodles.
12:08:31 * jaymax pulls a Robert Latimer on that squatter.
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12:11:16 * Ampera give jaymax a bag of canadian flavored chips
12:11:28 * jaymax adds more ketchup
12:11:35 <jaymax> ;^)
12:11:35 <Ampera> catsup
12:11:39 <jaymax> cat shit
12:11:42 <electrohead> *hot sauce
12:11:49 <jaymax> wassssssuuuup
12:11:56 <Ampera> you people need help
12:11:57 <electrohead> jaymax: Sup, sexy
12:11:57 <Ampera> let me help you
12:12:02 * Ampera stabs electrohead and jaymax
12:12:18 <jaymax> electrohead ya know it
12:12:20 * electrohead bleeds magic dust
12:12:29 <Ampera> I don't want to go to bed tonight, and I don't want to wake up tomorrow.
12:12:32 <electrohead> I'm sexy and I know it, too
12:12:38 <jaymax> so that's where the coke went
12:14:28 <Ampera> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/846178000722853898/880156026752622622/20210825_142514.jpg
12:14:31 <Ampera> This was today's meal
12:14:43 <Ampera> cab sirloin, this one's half of a larger steak I'm gonna make tomorrow
12:14:49 <Halcyon> Mmm steak
12:14:52 <Ampera> had it with some delicious koshihikari rice
12:14:54 * electrohead massages Ampera's meat
12:15:13 <jaymax> Since noone will..... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyx6JDQCslE
12:15:14 * Ampera pours castor oil on electrohead, then wheels him around like an old TV cart
12:15:31 <Ampera> jaymax, I could have gone another 10 years without thinking about LMFAO, but no
12:15:33 <Ampera> you had to link that
12:15:45 <Ampera> why does the eevbot keep dropping out
12:15:58 <jaymax> I *could* link older songs that should be fogotten....
12:16:24 <Ampera> https://youtube.com/watch?v=8MNqjqwLgKY&list=OLAK5uy_nZa4IPD8rXmIxREh3HRu4z6XjUPTt-PRg
12:16:30 <Ampera> I've been listening to beach house recently
12:16:33 <jaymax> It was for electrohead anyway
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12:18:01 <Ampera> at least I could usually keep the bot on :P
12:19:24 <electrohead> I spotted Ron Jeremy!
12:19:37 <electrohead> err, in jaymax's video he posted, lol
12:19:40 <electrohead> Ampera: shh, lol
12:20:15 <electrohead> yeah I still need to either fix the ping/time-out issue to rejoin, or just swap the home-made bot out with something different
12:25:09 <Ampera> I don't mind writing the bot in something like C and hosting it on my server
12:25:12 <Ampera> I have pretty good uptime
12:25:43 <electrohead> From one port, to another port, to another?
12:25:46 <electrohead> Do it.
12:25:53 <Ampera> well your bot wasn't a port, it was a rewrite
12:26:02 <electrohead> That's the joke.
12:26:09 <Ampera> I hate those, stop doing it.
12:26:17 <Ampera> You don't know how seriously I take jokes.
12:26:22 <electrohead> But seriously, if you re-write the bot in C, I can host it on my VPS
12:26:27 <electrohead> Lol
12:26:36 <Ampera> Whichever way
12:26:41 <electrohead> My VPS has infinite up-time
12:26:46 <Ampera> We could also work on the original java codebase.
12:26:53 <electrohead> That too
12:27:03 <electrohead> I have a lot going on, on my end
12:27:05 <Ampera> If your server runs Linux, dotnet is also an option
12:27:07 <Halcyon> https://twitter.com/i/status/1430491450849046530
12:27:12 <Halcyon> Accurate
12:27:23 <electrohead> So working on the bot takes some dedicated time
12:28:01 <electrohead> Halcyon: lmao
12:28:25 <Halcyon> I admit I've done that, then though, why the fuck didn't I just type it :P
12:28:37 <Ampera> I haven't used C in a little while, so I'm rusty.
12:28:40 <electrohead> cause you're a goof?
12:28:46 <electrohead> Ampera: yeah, same
12:28:54 <Ampera> I'm mostly in C# land these days
12:29:08 <electrohead> then again, I can't say in a long time, as I use C/C++ for arduino, esp8266, esp32, stm32, etc
12:29:32 <Ampera> Perhaps we should just improve the java codebase. It's already there.
12:32:39 <electrohead> It is
12:32:49 <electrohead> Does your code handle ping-outs?
12:33:01 <Ampera> It uses an IRC library which does
12:33:05 <Ampera> kittehirc
12:33:17 <Ampera> The only thing it can't handle is reauth, which should be easy
12:35:32 <electrohead> Yeah technically all I need to do is replace the IRC library in mine, or just add the code to handle lag/ping-outs
12:35:39 <electrohead> Or, whatever the correct term is
12:36:47 <Ampera> The problem with writing in C is there's a lot we'd have to do ourselves, like IRC code and REST API stuff
12:37:22 <Ampera> C#'s greatest strength I'd say is how stupidly easy it is to use REST APIs
12:38:35 <electrohead> https://www.ulduzsoft.com/libircclient/
12:38:37 <EEVBot> [Title] - Libircclient 1.7 documentation
12:38:39 <electrohead> just came across that
12:38:54 <electrohead> there are a few more libraries out there for generalized IRC sh'tuff
12:39:43 <Ampera> I recall originally trying to use it for the EEVBot but I never got it to work
12:40:11 <Ampera> One big problem with REST APIs in C though is there's no reflection, so JSON construct/deconstruct is gonna be a pain in the ass
12:40:14 <electrohead> well if you want, we can work together to make something better
12:40:53 <Ampera> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
12:41:00 <electrohead> Halcyon: did you hear that? electrohead and Ampera may be working together. it's going to rain, snow, thunderstand, and cum, all at the same time
12:41:15 <electrohead> thunderstorm*
12:41:17 <Ampera> I expressed interest in working together since before you even wrote your bot
12:41:19 <electrohead> fucking fingers.
12:41:21 <Ampera> I just didn't want to use python
12:41:28 <arch> T3sl4, electrohead i just tested two PSUs meant for running a NAS: 19V at 6.32A (full load test), and the efficiency is almost 88%! i wonder if they are using synchronous rectification
12:41:49 <arch> the toshiba one got slightly less efficiency, 87%; the FSP power one got 88% eff
12:41:58 <electrohead> arch: both at 88%?
12:42:04 <electrohead> ahh
12:42:16 <arch> both almost neck and neck perf. really good efficiency, and power factor too, 0.99
12:42:36 <arch> i luv my poor man's cc load
12:42:40 <electrohead> Ampera: pick a language, and I'll work with it.
12:42:45 <arch> which is fancy looking, but still a poor man's cc load
12:43:00 <Ampera> C#, since it's the language I know the best, and it'd be the one most likely to result in an end product
12:43:04 <electrohead> arch: lol, if you design electronics, you're far from a poor man :P
12:43:19 <Ampera> It's really not that different to Java or C++
12:43:28 <electrohead> Ampera: done deal. I'll learn it over time
12:44:15 <jaymax> Aww, if only. https://web.archive.org/web/20121229175339/http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v41sEavtJ3E&feature=youtu.be
12:44:17 <Ampera> Do you want to use libraries for IRC and Twitter, or implement that ourselves
12:44:59 <electrohead> Hrmm. Well if we can find them pre-made, and known stable, I don't see why we should re-invent the wheel
12:45:39 <Ampera> https://github.com/IrcDotNet/IrcDotNet
12:45:40 <EEVBot> [Title] - GitHub - IrcDotNet/IrcDotNet: IRC.NET is a complete IRC (Internet Relay Chat) client library for .NET.
12:46:35 <electrohead> Uhhh
12:46:40 <electrohead> Do I need Windows for that?
12:46:43 <Ampera> just something I found
12:46:49 <Ampera> you shouldn't
12:46:54 <electrohead> Oh ok
12:46:56 <electrohead> Phew.
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12:47:12 <Ampera> are you on arch?
12:47:22 <electrohead> yeah man, arch forever, in this apartment.
12:47:32 <Ampera> dotnet-runtime dotnet-sdk
12:47:36 <Ampera> that should be all you need
12:47:50 * electrohead feels his skin burning slightly
12:47:51 <Ampera> vscode is useful for debugging, but it optional
12:48:12 <Ampera> .NET 5 really isn't a very Microsoft language
12:48:23 <Ampera> I genuinely would call it Java, but with a lot of the stupid parts removed
12:48:28 <electrohead> Hrmm
12:48:31 <Ampera> the toolchain is also stupid simple (sometimes even to a detriment)
12:48:45 <electrohead> Speaking of, I've started working with powershell recently. wtf.
12:48:53 <Ampera> I have never uses powershell
12:48:54 <Ampera> I avoid it.
12:48:58 <Ampera> er, used
12:49:02 <electrohead> I can't avoid it.
12:49:06 <Ampera> From what little I've seen it's bizarre
12:49:08 <electrohead> (for work)
12:49:16 <electrohead> yeah.. it's uhhhh, different
12:49:17 <Ampera> every command is like 10 times longer than it needs to be
12:49:22 <electrohead> ^
12:49:47 <Ampera> it's if british literature from the 1800's got turned into a CLI
12:50:37 <Ampera> lord sir reginald of her majesty's service management, you are hereby requested and ordered to restart the service identifiable by the following appearance and description
12:51:36 <Ampera> all of these IRC libraries for C# are ancient
12:52:38 <Ampera> oh nvm, ircdotnet is active
12:52:51 <Ampera> I think?
12:52:58 <Halcyon> What are you guys doing?
12:53:17 <Ampera> making a new bot
12:53:30 <arch> im here yea
12:53:45 <arch> oo nvm
12:53:49 <arch> you were talking about the OS
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12:54:11 * arch enjoys
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13:04:56 <electrohead> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViySlMyCbzU
13:04:57 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: Milk Crates and #IDIOCRACY
13:05:41 <DHess_US> Halcyon, was just doing that:
13:05:42 <DHess_US> root@OPNsense:~ # gpart show
13:05:43 <DHess_US> => 40 31277152 ada0 GPT (15G)
13:05:43 <DHess_US> 40 409600 1 efi (200M)
13:05:44 <DHess_US> 409640 1024 2 freebsd-boot (512K)
13:05:46 <DHess_US> 410664 984 - free - (492K)
13:05:48 <DHess_US> 411648 16777216 3 freebsd-swap (8.0G)
13:05:49 <DHess_US> 17188864 14088192 4 freebsd-zfs (6.7G)
13:05:51 <DHess_US> 31277056 136 - free - (68K)
13:06:04 <electrohead> paste services are a nice thing, btw
13:06:07 <electrohead> :p
13:06:18 <Halcyon> Hahah I saw that video pop up on my Youtube today
13:06:20 <DHess_US> They used to be.
13:06:32 <Halcyon> So milk crates are all the craze now?
13:06:34 <electrohead> ahh, so let's flood the channel with logs, then
13:07:22 <Ampera> a 6.7GB ZFS volume...
13:07:28 <Halcyon> That would hurt like fuck landing on them, they aren't designed to break/collapse
13:07:39 <DHess_US> Ampera, it is a new feature so I had to try it.
13:07:51 <DHess_US> Only a 16G SSD in it.
13:08:11 <Ampera> oh wait, OPNSense has ZFS now?
13:08:14 <Ampera> nice
13:08:27 <electrohead> !paste
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13:08:28 <DHess_US> Ampera, I was thinking of adding another SSD to mirror it but that wouldn't actually make it redundant for boots.
13:08:31 <Ampera> No, it's not a terrible idea, ZFS has a lot of really useful attributes, like easy fs-level pools and snapshots
13:08:38 <electrohead> almost forgot I added that to the bot
13:08:39 <Halcyon> ZFS is awesome
13:08:53 <Ampera> DHess_US, why not, you can have redundant ZFS boot drives
13:08:54 <electrohead> DHess_US: thanks for reminding me
13:09:03 <Halcyon> I use it on my pfsense and TrueNAS boxes
13:09:09 <Ampera> just need another EFI partition
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13:09:36 <DHess_US> Ampera, maybe I will try it.
13:09:47 <DHess_US> But I'm not sure if I can install another SSD easily.
13:10:16 <DHess_US> It has 2 mSATA slot and 2 PCIe slots but I don't know if the later support SSDs.
13:10:30 <DHess_US> Could install USB drives but they all suck.
13:10:57 <DHess_US> Or could use 2 external USB SSD drives, but that hardly seems elegant.
13:11:42 <DHess_US> And I have no idea how ZFS would be an advantage in this application anyway.
13:12:06 <DHess_US> Although the system does have a respectable amount of power and I could increase storage.
13:12:22 <Ampera> snapshots really
13:12:28 <Ampera> that's my favorite ZFS feature
13:12:44 <Ampera> you can take a block level snapshot of the entire fs as it's running
13:12:50 <DHess_US> Stickign a bunch of external drives on it and making a ZFS array would be neat.
13:16:24 <electrohead> That's what she said.
13:22:46 <DHess_US> I don't have any spare drives to experiment with it.
13:24:49 <DHess_US> Got DNS working maybe on opnsense where it was broken before, but I don't know what changed to fix it.
13:25:46 <electrohead> Are you using unbound?
13:26:09 * Ampera binds electrohead up, slapping him on the ass
13:26:24 * Ampera makes threatening screeching noises at Halcyon
13:26:31 * electrohead films
13:28:54 <DHess_US> electrohead, yes
13:30:25 <Halcyon> What bitch?
13:30:42 <Halcyon> Ima start calling you Karen if you keep that up
13:30:48 <Ampera> yes daddy
13:30:50 <Ampera> please daddy
13:31:26 <Halcyon> Oh gawd
13:32:50 <DHess_US> Did you just insult everybody named Karen?
13:32:51 <electrohead> unbound has never given me issues at all
13:32:55 <Ampera> the sucky thing about diphenhydramine, I can never be sure if I've actually slept or not
13:33:05 <Ampera> I'm sort of in a twilight zone of awake and asleep
13:33:22 <DHess_US> electrohead, the problem was weird. DNS failed about every 5th request.
13:33:29 <DHess_US> Which caused no end of problems.
13:33:44 <electrohead> Did you analyze the log files fully?
13:33:59 <DHess_US> I gave up and let it sit on my desk for a few months.
13:34:04 <electrohead> Oh, lol
13:34:24 <DHess_US> updated the BIOS and firmware a couple days ago and now it works.
13:34:40 <electrohead> Was probably a weird fluke, then
13:35:06 * Ampera throws a glass bodied multimeter at electrohead
13:35:18 <Ampera> there's your weird fluke
13:35:28 * electrohead drowns Ampera
13:35:46 * Ampera organisms
13:35:57 <electrohead> Fucking goof.
13:36:14 <Ampera> untrue, I have never fuckinged in my life
13:36:17 <Ampera> I am a no fucking fucker
13:36:29 <electrohead> Fuck the fucking fuckers?
13:36:34 <Ampera> feck off
13:36:39 <electrohead> (cartman reference)
13:36:57 <electrohead> Oh wait, my bad, that was .. fuck fuckity fuck fuck fuck
13:37:09 <Ampera> https://youtu.be/eNwcXtWFWic?t=13
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14:46:48 <steve30> hi
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16:48:20 <steve30> $webhost just sent me my renewal notice
16:48:29 <steve30> they want $72 for the next year
16:52:04 <Halcyon> Seems like a lot
16:53:16 <steve30> i think i'll move to someone else as I'd like more storage/bandwidth
16:56:20 <steve30> i'm planning on going to manchester on saturday
16:58:13 <steve30> also, I wrote this yesterday
16:58:14 <steve30> https://www.mjlorton.com/forum/index.php?topic=1244.0
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17:26:04 <steve30> I'm inclined to say I don't really need the subdomain qqq.www.www.www.www.stevecoates.net anymore
17:32:20 <Halcyon> What the hell was that about?
17:34:01 <steve30> the subdomain?
17:34:05 <Halcyon> Yes
17:34:30 <steve30> I was playing with subdomains years ago
17:35:39 <Halcyon> Might as well made it steve.likes.making.people.type.just.because.stevecoates.net
17:38:50 <K> hello flies
17:38:51 <EEVBot> Hello, K!
17:41:13 <Halcyon> Hello mozzie
17:41:13 <EEVBot> Hello, Halcyon!
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20:28:54 <T3sl4> Halcyon: https://imgur.com/gallery/3oaZETb
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20:29:53 <Halcyon> Cockatiels are so cute
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20:34:45 <K> with some kale and ketchup, yea
20:36:35 <Halcyon> Noooo
20:37:09 <Halcyon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFvqf8Z13PU
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20:44:27 <K> bheh
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21:45:44 <Nothing\> oy it's too damn early
21:45:53 <Nothing\> i'd normally be going to bed right now
21:46:04 <K> why don't you?
21:46:11 <Nothing\> can't sleep
21:46:21 <Nothing\> and i've already slept a few hours
21:46:45 <Nothing\> but my mind wouldn't stop going on about anything and everything. Not necessarily stressful stuff. Just mind won't settle down.
21:47:02 <Nothing\> in retrospect i shoulda tried meditating but i was too eager to get up anyways
21:47:07 <K> that sucks
21:47:23 <Nothing\> yeah but i had to get up in an hour anyways so it's no big loss
21:47:55 <Nothing\> and all of my front teeth are shifting for some reason
21:48:02 <Nothing\> probably because i'm missing all of my back teeth
21:48:22 <Nothing\> it doesn't hurt, but it feels weird. Like lots of pressure on or just below my teeth or something
21:48:53 <Nothing\> it's weird cuz it feels like they're scrunching together. You'd expect with no teeth at the back they'd want to spread apart
21:50:30 <Nothing\> but that's something you don't expect when you lose teeth. That they all move around with that extra space.
21:50:36 <Nothing\> kinda interesting, really.
21:50:50 <Nothing\> lol it's funny, almost eerie how human my cat is sometimes
21:51:18 <Nothing\> like whenever he gets frustrated, he'll scratch at his scratching post, like a person hitting the punching bag to vent stress
21:52:25 <Nothing\> or the other morning he wanted me to get up and play while i was sleeping and after some failed attempts he realized i wasn't getting up, so he tried to sleep even though he wasn't tired.
21:53:59 <Nothing\> and the whole time he's trying to sleep, like he sleeps on a little scratching post that lies on the floor like a pillow, and he was just tossing and turning and he'd try one side of the "pillow" then the other, then start kicking and hitting it out of frustration cuz all he wanted to do was play and not sleep
21:54:08 <Nothing\> so much like a fussy child
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22:10:59 <Nothing\> wow no wonder they don't use 128 bit computers for consumer applications
22:11:59 <Nothing\> i didn't realize how massive 2^128 was
22:13:13 <Nothing\> even playing with a simulator for a common CPU whose name eludes me thanks to brain fart with a 64 bit cpu the size of the values it handled was overwhelming
22:13:29 <Nothing\> argh i wish i could remember what those CPUs are called, they're so common
22:13:48 <Nothing\> aoestnuhaoseindoseindaoseindaoseihtdoeasinthaoe-hositnahi-aoeihsaodi
22:15:42 <K> 2^128 is enormous
22:17:04 <Nothing\> MIPS!
22:17:06 <Nothing\> that was it
22:17:10 <Nothing\> oh man that was bugging me
22:17:23 * Ampera pipes Nothing\ into /dev/null
22:17:24 <Nothing\> K: apparently the value is larger than the total amount of data stored on Earth
22:17:32 <Nothing\> hey Ampera
22:17:39 * Nothing\ tackle hugs Ampera <3
22:17:46 * Ampera heart attackle hugs Nothing\
22:17:51 <Nothing\> :D
22:18:01 <Nothing\> mmm eggy weggs
22:20:37 <K> 2^128 is roughly 10^38
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22:43:05 <Nothing\> k: i was just thinknig i should try calculating it by hand
22:43:22 <Nothing\> or you know what, i bet mathematica has the precision to work it out to every place value
22:43:38 <Nothing\> i've had it work out in excess of 1000 factorial
22:43:50 <Nothing\> with 100% precision
22:44:10 <Nothing\> how many calculators can do that? none of this 69 factorial shit
22:44:35 <Nothing\> speaking of which, i'm trying to come up with a qb64 algorithm to work out factorials cuz i don't think it has a function for factorial. at least not that i can find
22:44:46 <Nothing\> but i must go now. ta ta
22:45:39 <K> cya
22:48:12 <T3sl4> Nothing\: https://mario.wiki.gallery/images/2/25/Super_Mario_64_Rabbit.png
22:49:30 <K> looks 64 bits to me, deffo not enough
22:50:10 <T3sl4> 64 was a lie, it's just two 32 bit machines pasted together!
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22:52:10 <Nothing\> lol atari jaguar
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23:49:02 <Nothing\> man these addressing modes for the 8086 are confusing
23:49:16 <Nothing\> some of them seem so arbitrary
23:50:01 <Nothing\> which is what turns me off of high level programming, the syntax seems so arbitrary that i just can't make any meaningful connections with which to help me remember it
23:50:45 <Nothing\> man
23:51:05 <Nothing\> when i'm here and talking, nobody's around, then when i leave, everyone starts talking, i come back and everyone's quiet again
23:51:09 <Nothing\> if i didn't know any better
23:51:15 <Nothing\> i'd say that was a hell of a coincidence
23:52:52 <Nothing\> holy fuck, it's supposed to be 110f this afternoon with the humidity
23:52:55 <Nothing\> that's 43c
23:53:21 <Nothing\> whoever said Canada is cold can suck a hockey stick
23:56:00 * electrohead throws a barrage of hockey pucks at Nothing\
23:56:56 <Ampera> Nothing\, they're not that bad
23:57:08 <Nothing\> heya guys
23:57:10 <Ampera> I forget what they're called, but the standard segmented mode is fairly easy to understand
23:57:46 <Ampera> iirc it's 64k segments, and the offset offsets them by some amount, I forget
23:58:04 <Ampera> er, no, it's the segment register that offsets the segments
23:58:06 <Ampera> it's weird
23:58:43 <Nothing\> Ampera, i dunno i'm just going through all of the different addressing modes where it's like [BX + SI + D16)
23:58:46 <Nothing\> ]
23:59:21 <Nothing\> and there seem to be at least a dozen or more types like that
23:59:41 <Ampera> I recall switching the addressing modes was the hard part
23:59:46 <Ampera> but it was easy to deal with in C
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