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02:45 <+electrohead> so many names for me
02:48 <+electrohead> :p
15:02 <Zsjoelfir> oy, mr. head!
18:42 <+electrohead> oy!
18:47 * electrohead oy's everyone
21:07 * Zsjoelfir oys electrohead back
21:19 * Zsjoelfir eats all of electrohead 's licqourice
21:28 <Zsjoelfir> I have to get you new ones for your package xD
21:56 <+electrohead> you really ate them? lol
24:36 <Zsjoelfir> yes. 2 of 3 packs
26:33 <+electrohead> I imagine they taste good :p
32:07 * T3sl4 lick-ors Zsjoelfir and electrohead
32:52 <Zsjoelfir> they do.
32:57 <K> tusla
34:08 <T3sl4> hi dielectric
38:07 <+electrohead> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osjYf8FBXbU
38:08 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: FEAR FACTORY - Dielectric (OFFICIAL MUSIC VIDEO)
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39:59 <K> i take sugestions for switchmode ic for making 250mA +10/-10 with minimal component count
40:25 <T3sl4> from?
40:41 <Kuschelpony> so 5 Watt ?
41:05 <T3sl4> input?
41:14 <T3sl4> thank you electrohead
41:19 <K> 5V
43:21 <T3sl4> any of those 1-2A SOT23-6 parts should do
43:59 <T3sl4> get like, two coupled inductors, wire primaries in parallel as boost, but cap couple them to the secondaries for a SEPIC + and Cuk - output
44:03 <T3sl4> take feedback from +out
46:11 <K> mm
48:06 <Kuschelpony> you can also see that as augmented flyback
48:55 <flyback> BMCC
56:12 <K> example part number for that sot23-6 part?
58:30 <K> was looking at this before - https://www.analog.com/media/en/technical-documentation/data-sheets/1945fa.pdf
04:11 <K> coz im a rich bastard and want to spend money on LT chips
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59:21 <T3sl4> K: like uh, AOZ1282?
59:59 <K> 0 stock everywhere
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09:06 <T3sl4> aw. theres like a half dozen similar parts or crosses, likely a few are in stock
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14:36 <K> no opinion on LT1945 ?
21:30 <rust_collector> nope
21:58 <K> crusty
22:12 <rust_collector> that is your opinion
23:49 <K> yes.
28:52 <T3sl4> i mean i'm sure it's fine, but why would you want it? :P
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38:14 <K> as i see it it has a nice datasheet
40:26 <T3sl4> fine, then go be a rich bastard!
40:33 <T3sl4> wanting quality components, pfft
43:24 <K> (cries)
49:39 <DHess_US> Go read some of the application notes on how to generate dual supplies. Most use a coupled inductor but not all, and there are special requirements for it to work.
50:18 <K> the lt one does not need coupled inductor
50:32 <K> but i will look it up
51:16 <K> fwiw it looks like it will be not be possible to reliably power the whole thing from usb
51:48 <DHess_US> The LT1945 is just a dual regulator.
53:33 <K> i am considering removing the power supply part from the project, having it on a saparate board or just lab supplies for start
54:02 <K> otherwise there are too many rabbitholes to fall in into
54:26 <DHess_US> I tend to avoid such specialized parts.
54:38 <K> why?
54:41 <DHess_US> USB power is a rabbitghole just by itself.
54:53 <DHess_US> pricing and availability tend to be poorer for specialized parts.
55:16 <K> for production i would agree
56:53 <DHess_US> I actually consider it a bigger problem for production, because a design using more common parts is easier to adapt.
58:19 <K> that is what i meant, yes
58:25 <DHess_US> Of course if you need the smallest physical size, then pricing and availability is less important.
01:16 <DHess_US> One reason parts like the LT1945 exist is that coupled inductor dual output designs only work in continuous conduction mode, which places limits on output current range.
02:46 <K> current range seems to ok for my use case
03:37 <DHess_US> I mean they don't work at low output current where discontinuous conduction mode happens. The LT1945 does not have that problem.
06:10 <T3sl4> or at least where the main output load is less than the secondary output
07:42 <DHess_US> The underappreciated trick and why it works at all is that in continuous conduction mode, the duty cycle is fixed by the input to output voltage ratio. In discontinuous conduction mode, the duty cycle varies with output current.
08:35 <DHess_US> Doesn't LT have a single inductor dual output chip?
08:46 <DHess_US> It uses the same inductor for both outputs?
10:56 <K> nope, 2 inductors
21:27 <DHess_US> No, I mean there is such a thing. I'm not sure if LT makes a part intended to take advantage of it.
21:37 <DHess_US> It is in an LT application note.
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29:39 <DHess_US> Figure 6 here, https://www.analog.com/media/en/technical-documentation/application-notes/an29f.pdf
33:02 <DHess_US> There is another variation which relies on linear post regulation for lower noise.
34:15 <DHess_US> In most cases I suspect it is better to use an inverter, and I think that would be the case with USB also except where input current needs to be controlled.
34:47 <DHess_US> Although it is not difficult to control input current on an inverter.
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04:47 <arch> T3sl4, electrohead, DHess_US https://imgur.com/a/IdhwCSW
04:48 <EEVBot> [Title] - GTX580 carcass used to build a 150W, adjustable constant current load. Uses one LM324 and a boost converter. - Album on Imgur
04:54 <arch> hehe. fun fun. works nicely.
05:37 <T3sl4> heatshrink and crimp terminals, look at you :)
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05:51 <arch> mr fancypants
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06:07 <arch> well, the only downside is, that heatsink is at drain potential, so Vcc :D
06:11 <arch> soooo...dont short it
06:48 <arch> fking metal tab on the TO-247...why the fuck cant they keep it isolated
07:48 <Kuschelpony> arch, because "they" made that large case primarily for best heath dissipation
08:18 <Kuschelpony> of course you can also look for components labeled with -F which has an epoxy cover for isolation built int
08:18 <arch> yeah, but considering you have to use a thermal pad to isolate it from the heatsink, i think it's a waste of potential
08:26 <T3sl4> because your dumbass didn't get the DBC iso version
08:29 <Kuschelpony> i dont think so
08:43 <arch> T3sl4, nowww you tell me...why is it always after i build a project...
08:47 <arch> o well, that's all salvaged parts
09:16 <T3sl4> but srs, those are fairly uncommon among MOSFETs
09:35 <Kuschelpony> because it leaves the choice to <ME> if i want to mount it unisolated (when the tab is in some circuit at ground potential), fully isolated with compromised cooling, or something in between like a copper heatspreader and then large surface isolated to the final heatsink
09:47 <T3sl4> pretty common for TRIACs for some reason?
10:14 <T3sl4> or AlN plates, which are also kinda hard to find, probably ebay easy enough idk
11:40 <arch> with this, i can finally full load test my 65W sepic with a static load. i was honestly impressed. even at 150W, the temp on the mosfet case, with my ir thermometer, i only saw ~73C ish
11:49 <arch> fan was on obviously
12:02 <arch> GTX580 power rating was 244W, so i got plenty headroom
12:25 <arch> but im not gonna push that mosfet so hard. it's only rated for 120W at 100C tcase
13:34 <T3sl4> <evil kermit> run it until it explodes
14:13 <arch> the other worry is if i somehow exceed 138C, that bismuth solder's going PLOOP! and then that mosfet is coming right off and burning up instantly
14:27 <T3sl4> which btw, if you have the supply handy to run it up that high, isn't a bad idea. you're out a transistor and the time to replace it (oh, and maybe the opamp because gate breakdown, hehe), but you get to plot a real point on the SOA curve
14:35 <arch> which, i shouldn't, because i already tested the 100C overtemp shutdown
14:42 <T3sl4> sometimes the curves are underestimated
15:20 <arch> yeah, that's why i made the opamp on a dip socket muahaha. i always think worst case. sometimes it helps to be a pessimist
16:26 <T3sl4> optimistic pessimism ftw
16:47 <T3sl4> also, a spring clamp or something to hold it down in case it would otherwise desolder, isn't a bad idea
28:53 <arch> initially, i was going to just use the spring clip method, but i was unable to find something on ebay that i could use. so i went with the bismuth solder directly to heatsink route.
29:26 <arch> i also tried out the thermal tape method, for fun and science, but the heat dissipation was awful. orders of magnitude worse
29:41 <arch> solder has way better thermal conductivity
30:24 <arch> the only thing i'm using thermal tape for is that small transistor used for temp sensing
31:30 <T3sl4> https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/aavid-thermal-division-of-boyd-corporation/MAX07NG/1625383
31:32 <EEVBot> [Title] - MAX07NG Aavid, Thermal Division of Boyd Corporation | Fans, Thermal Management | DigiKey
32:06 <T3sl4> thermal tape needs to be clamped for a while, it flows very slowly. or needs heat, specifically the phase change stuff
33:06 <+electrohead> arch: I love the idea of that, neat!
33:09 <+electrohead> and, hey o/
34:00 * T3sl4 cuddles electrohead
34:19 <arch> hi
35:09 <arch> yeah...see, that gtx580 was my very first gaming gpu. i bought it used for $60 off ebay, and it lasted me about a year before it bugged out. then i reflowed it and it lasted me another 3 months before totally dying. but i couldn't throw it out cuz memento
35:25 <+electrohead> heh
35:27 <arch> so it just gathered dust for 3 years until about 2 weeks ago when i went ahead with this plan lol
35:33 * electrohead fondles T3sl4
37:48 <+electrohead> arch: you should steal some power from said PSU, and make some blinkenlights or whatever
37:52 <+electrohead> light that baby up, lol
38:14 <+electrohead> are you using the fan?
38:41 <arch> not much power available for it really. that 5V boost stage outputs 10V (ignore schematic that says 12V), and the input current is about 1.7A at 5V, so you need a 10W adapter
38:50 <+electrohead> ahh ok
38:52 <arch> the fan is really high speed, high current at 12V
38:58 <arch> so i dropped it to 10V
39:14 <+electrohead> yeah fair enough, you could even get away using lower than that
39:31 <arch> yes, it sounds like a jet turbine
41:29 <T3sl4> steve30 irl https://i.imgur.com/YIaSeeM.jpg
41:50 <steve30> meow
44:39 <arch> steve30, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRsWk4JZa5k
44:39 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: [ORIGINAL] Turkish man yelling "meow" at an egg
47:02 <+electrohead> arch: could always whip up a minimal PWM controller for the fan, too
47:04 <+electrohead> T3sl4: lol
48:31 <arch> yeah, but then you're looking at increased costs, increased board space. the point of this project was to be barebones while having some protection built in (namely, 100C t-case shutdown, which works a treat!)
48:51 <arch> and keeping it to just 1 major chip: LM324 (quad op amps--all 4 are used). pretty efficient
49:17 <arch> and the hysteresis works nicely too
49:36 <arch> so it won't turn back on until t-case drops below ~85C
49:44 <+electrohead> well, it's a graphics card after all, I imagine you may be able to find PWM controller hardware already on that board?
49:52 <+electrohead> nice :)
50:22 <arch> idk if you noticed, but i literally gutted that card. it's missing the brain and most of the parts. i salvaged all the power-SO8 mosfets, and one of them is used for that boost converter lol
50:32 <arch> so in a way, the card lives on
50:38 <+electrohead> yeah I noticed that lol
54:58 <arch> damn i am some cheap fucker. i even salvage power-SO8 mosfets :D
58:18 <+electrohead> I salvage everything I can, don't feel bad :p
03:37 <kiska> If I had the space I would take other people's curbside cleanup stuff to disassemble and get parts :D
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11:53 * electrohead waves at kiska
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34:57 <arch> kiska, i feel like people aren't throwing out as much stuff these days that can be salvaged for parts
41:01 <arch> BGA and really tiny smd parts make it not worthwhile to salvage parts
41:34 <arch> i will salvage sot-23-6 smps ICs and regulators whenever possible though
46:47 <+electrohead> I have a metric fuck ton of parts, through-hole and SMD
49:03 <arch> salvaging iron powder toroids, and any smd inductors that are 1210 sized and above, you'll save the most amount of money. cuz inductors are $2+/pop
49:16 <arch> unless you buy from china
55:07 <Lord_of_nothing> omg now 1tb micro sd cards are avaiable
55:24 <Lord_of_nothing> even the 512gb cards got very cheap
59:41 <arch> Lord_of_nothing, if you buy from amazon, you have a 80% chance of receiving fake chinese crapware
59:55 <arch> as soon as you try to use dd to write the entire space, you'll face corruption
11:01 <Lord_of_nothing> nope from your it distributor who resell only legimidated stuff
13:42 <arch> never heard of "legimidated" before, but ok
24:56 <Lord_of_nothing> its official from the big company not fake stuff
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55:01 <Some_Person> When I was looking last year, 400GB was the obvious sweet spot for price vs size for microSD. Don't know if that's still the case.
55:44 <Ampera> I've bought uSD cards from Amazon before and have never had a problem
55:52 <Ampera> just make sure it's sold /by/ Amazon, or by a known manufacturer
56:00 <Some_Person> Same here
56:06 <Ampera> I usually stick to Samsung and SanDisk. Silicon Power on occasion
56:10 <Some_Person> Sold by Amazon seems to be fine, third-party sellers can be iffy
56:42 <Ampera> I've seen the scam cards you're talking about, but so long as you're not dumb and understand what stuff is actually worth and what's too good to be true, then it's no problem
00:14 <Some_Person> I bought my SanDisk 400GB card last year from Amazon for $44.99 and have had no issues with it
15:58 <Ampera> Earlier this year I bought a 512GB Samsung card for 75.59 and it's still in my phone
16:02 <Ampera> my phone which has 1TB of storage now >:D
16:11 <Ampera> in other news, pizzas have been ordered, going to pick them up in about 20 minutes or so
16:35 <Ampera> we got three 18" pizzas, one with mushroom and ham, one with sausage and pepperoni, and one with meatballs and pepper
16:48 <Ampera> they have decent prices for pizzas too, those three pizzas were just a hair over 60 dollars in total
17:09 <Ampera> I suppose that's a slight advantage of a place that's cash only, they pass a bit of what they don't have to pay in technology and credit card fees to you
17:35 <Ampera> It's also a good way to break up my 100 dollar bills people give me on occasion into more useful notes without having to go to the bank
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55:20 <Lord_of_nothing> i never bought anythink from amazon
57:36 <Lord_of_nothing> omg http://www.nuo7.at/#List_23
57:38 <EEVBot> [Title] - liken, teilen und kommentieren
57:49 <Lord_of_nothing> theranose or how the called
58:00 <Lord_of_nothing> its the 3rd video
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28:30 <EEVBot> [Twitter] - eevblog - Half a dozen of these scam messages in the last day. https://t.co/Z5EqAbyVbp
52:16 <+electrohead> o/
53:08 <Ampera> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/446784913467899945/874421157120593950/E8YOvzIVcA0KvmT.png
53:09 <Halcyon> So it seems the electrical issue I was having last night has magically resolved itself
53:15 <Ampera> funniest thing I seen in ages
53:18 <Halcyon> Reset the breaker this morning, nothing has tripped
53:25 <Ampera> inb4 housefire
53:32 <Halcyon> Maybe moisture got in somewhere it shouldn't have?
53:33 <Halcyon> *shrug*
53:39 <Ampera> how are you doing Halcyon
53:50 <Halcyon> I'm OK
54:23 <+electrohead> A random pedophile - "I'm just Italian, don't worry"
54:26 <coppice_> will dropping acid on your wiring test tripping?
54:35 <Ampera> lol
54:54 <Halcyon> coppice_, maybe?
55:12 <Halcyon> Electrician is coming out today to have a look. Run some earth leakage tests etc...
05:11 <DHess_US> That was almost a windows 10 record for me, 19 days uptime.
07:05 * electrohead installs arch linux onto DHess_US's computer
23:14 * arch installs DHess_US linux onto electrohead's computer
23:28 <+electrohead> lol
24:04 <DHess_US> Windows uptime is abysmal compared to my freebsd boxes.
24:07 <arch> i had a 67 days uptime on my intel NUC, but i popped in new ram, so now it's at 5 days uptime =(
24:22 <DHess_US> freebsd goes for years
24:49 <DHess_US> The only freebsd outages I have had were loss of power, and flood.
26:14 <+electrohead> DHess_US: I have a few UPS's in the lab area, my pfsense box has an uptime of .. a long time, heh
30:53 <steve30> Halcyon, is the electrician cute?
41:09 <Ampera> +1 for FreeBSD uptime.
41:20 <Ampera> Barring hardware failures, I've never had it fail while running.
51:37 <DHess_US> never even had any hardware failures
01:30 <Halcyon> steve30, not sure yet
01:35 <Halcyon> He won't be here for another few hours.
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17:49 <Nothing\> huh, my printer won't scan money (obviously) but it scans these "duty paid" stickers off of cigarettes and legal weed without any problem
18:14 <Nothing\> although there's a hologram on them, so wouldn't get that. But with money it just flat out refuses to scan it or do anything with it
18:20 <steve30> hehe
18:26 <Nothing\> apparently photoshop won't even open images of money for editing
18:27 <steve30> my scanner scans money fine :)
18:39 <Nothing\> maybe it's just the printing/copying of money
19:01 <steve30> I gather some newer scanners/software won't do money, but my old stuff manages fine.
19:33 <Nothing\> but i was reading about how the old way they did it was there was a special pattern dubbed the "eurion constellation" where if a copier caught this pattern, it would refuse to copy the note
20:04 <Nothing\> but now they apparently have a much more complicated system, which they incorporated the eurion constellation into. Super secret so nobody knows how exactly it works.
20:25 <Nothing\> steve30, that's weird
21:04 <Nothing\> the way it was explained, it sounded like it was built standard into the software of every single scanner, copier, printer etc. Which does seem a bit far fetched.
21:21 <Nothing\> Especially when you get into Chinesium stuff. I really don't think they give a crap about copying money
21:53 <Nothing\> though knowing them, they'd probably just rip off somebody else's software and maybe give it a bitty little tweak
22:27 <Nothing\> which reminds me, the software on my microwave is becoming increasingly glitchy. It's really weird.
23:18 <Nothing\> at first it started with this weird thing where if I depress the button to open the door just enough, it'll turn on the light, the turn table and the fan, but not the magnetron as far as I can tell by the sound of it.
23:45 <Nothing\> then last night when I pressed the button to take some foot out, the microwave beeped and the screen displayed a bunch of jibberish until i pressed a button.
24:04 <Nothing\> foot's the best part of the cow, you know
24:24 <Nothing\> all that tasty tasty glue
24:58 <arch> T3sl4, what's considered "out of regulation" for a psu under stress test, like a constant current load? is it a percentage, say 5% below the unloaded voltage?
25:37 <arch> yeowch! 106C under 110% load!
25:42 <arch> that inductor is toasty
25:51 <Nothing\> don't want that
26:44 <Nothing\> i dunno how hot the insullation can get. I'm guessing 150c but you don't wanna go melting it or you'll turn your inductor into a jumper
26:57 <arch> 109C, ok im stopping the test
27:18 <Nothing\> yeah once you can boil water on your electronics, i think that's enough
28:32 <Nothing\> lol @ this posting for magnesium turnings on amazon
28:37 <arch> well, i designed the sepic for 65W, but i was applying 110% load. let's see if it can handle the rated load of 65W
28:47 <Nothing\> With the size of 4.7 in long 3.6 in wide and 1.6 in deep, the tin container keeps mageniusms away form childen, pets, fire, water, etc. Safe and Easy to store and carry in your backpack,BOB, survival kit or car.
28:56 <steve30> i should probably go out on the bike
29:03 <Nothing\> cuz everyone knows tin containers are completely fire, child and pet proof
29:18 <Nothing\> who needs a fancy lock box or proper storage when you've got a TIN CONTAINER!
29:59 <Nothing\> i wouldn't want old rex eating up my mageniusms
30:09 * Ampera hugs Nothing\ 
30:16 * Nothing\ hugs Ampera <3
30:21 <Nothing\> how ya doing buddy?
30:33 <Ampera> doing sever maintenance
30:41 <Nothing\> sounds tedious
30:43 <arch> welp, if this doesn't work out, all i have to do is use my 65W sepic...re-rate it to 50W, and bam, all set lol
30:51 <arch> big brains time
31:06 <Ampera> not really, I enjoy it
31:11 <arch> but yea, that coupled inductor might be getting overheated due to 40% ripple factor
31:13 <Nothing\> oh, that's good then
31:24 <Ampera> moving some *EMP stack sites from one sever to another
31:26 <arch> that's the hottest component on the board
31:26 <Nothing\> yeah 40%'s way too much
31:30 <Nothing\> you need more caps in there
31:42 <Nothing\> or more capacitance anyways, in one form or another
31:45 <arch> no..capacitors will not do anything for the inductor ripple factor
31:46 <Nothing\> on the output
31:52 <arch> you either need higher inductance or higher frequency
31:53 <Nothing\> oh, inductor ripple
31:58 <Nothing\> yeah
32:03 <Nothing\> that won't help much
32:22 <Nothing\> well now wait a minute
32:23 <arch> actually it might. but im too lazy to redo the calcs and comp for higher freq
32:41 <arch> the mosfet is cool as ice. 50C
32:45 <Nothing\> so it's rippling presumably because the circuit's oscillating, right?
32:59 <arch> you don't say? that's why it's called a switched mode power supply -_-
33:11 <arch> T3sl4, talk some sense into this man
33:32 <Nothing\> i meant oscillating from the inductance, not the switch
33:43 <Nothing\> it's an RLC circuit
34:00 <Nothing\> it's gonna want to oscillate at its resonant frequency
34:23 <arch> are you pulling fancy words outa the hat again? the problem isnt that, it's the core losses from high ripple factor
34:35 <Nothing\> arch, and what do you think causes the ripple?
34:38 <T3sl4> buh
35:04 <Nothing\> i just said, it's rippling because it's an RLC circuit that's trying to oscillate
35:23 <arch> let me see if this can handle 50W
35:29 <arch> so 19V @ 2.63W
35:34 <Nothing\> arch, god speed
35:34 <arch> Amps*
35:37 * Nothing\ crosses fingers
35:58 <Nothing\> secretly i'm willing the magic smoke to come out lol
36:13 <arch> joke's on you, i used a current mode controller. can't happen
36:24 <arch> the inductor saturates at a much higher current than what i designed for
36:26 <Nothing\> touche
36:32 <Nothing\> that's good
36:57 <arch> well, the margin really isnt much though. only about 3A
37:04 <Nothing\> i'd like to get a good inductor like that. All of the ones I've gotten are crap
37:37 <arch> this is the one i used: https://www.we-online.de/katalog/datasheet/74485540101.pdf
37:39 <Nothing\> i've been trying to find one with lots of inductance and little resistance. Guess toroidal ones would probably be my best bet
38:21 <Nothing\> i got a couple of coaxial and single axis through hole ones at 100mH, but they have resistances in the hundreds of ohms
38:22 <arch> hey wait a moment...that inductor is rated for up to 150C operation, and im seeing 109C, in an open enclosure
38:33 <arch> sooo probably will breach that in a closed enclosure
38:43 <arch> at 65W
38:45 <Nothing\> so any oscillator i try to make with them just has a shit Q factor
38:50 <arch> but at 50W it should be nice and okay
39:26 <Nothing\> I have a toroid, but it's fucking hard to wrap a toroid by hand, i've found.
39:32 <arch> so lesson is, you should use these smallish coupled inductors for power levels around 50W
39:48 <Nothing\> Especially if you're using low gauge wire
40:19 <arch> you should not bother winding iron powder toroids by hand. just desolder them in bulk from craptons of thrown out atx psus
40:22 <arch> they're literally free
40:47 <Nothing\> arch: so far all of the PSUs i've cracked have had the toroids epoxied on
40:51 <arch> that way you save time, money, and they already come with excellent coupling factors, so you can use them for 2 or 3 winding custom transformers
41:08 <Nothing\> i mean i can get them off the board, but then they're still all covered in epoxy with epoxy all in the hole and stuff
41:35 <Nothing\> and i heard you can get them from the ballasts from CFLs but the ballast i got was maybe as wide as my pinky
41:47 <Nothing\> definitely not the huge toroid i was expecting
42:23 <Nothing\> for some reason (probably cuz i never use a real supplier) good inductors have been unusually elusive
42:34 <Nothing\> i should probably just check out mouser
43:06 <Nothing\> rather pay the extra $20 and get what i want than spend $3, wait 2-3 months for delivery only to find it's garbage
43:51 * Nothing\ glares at the pile of breadboards on his table
48:16 <Nothing\> mmm it's nice weather outside
48:45 <Nothing\> if i weren't so fucking anhedonic i'd take my Switch or 3DS outside and play something
49:00 <Nothing\> and probably get eaten alive by mosquitos since this is their prime feeding hour
55:51 <jaymax> Yeah that happened to me Nothing\.
58:45 <jaymax> Had my redneck fireplace going while I bagged up old asphalt shingles for tomorrow's trash pickup.
02:23 <jaymax> One more trashday before the asphalt waste is gone, and dozens of hick-pit campfires before the excess crapwood is no more (probably more than the old grill can structurally handle).
02:44 <arch> hmm it seems my PSU can handle 60W so far, 80C temp. let's say it'll hit 90C and stabilize around there
04:22 <arch> you know what, i'll just do a lifehack, a la copperclad heatsink strips: https://elog.moltensolderlabs.com/elog/1
04:22 <EEVBot> [Title] - Electronics Logs - MoltenSolderLabs
04:36 <arch> that should be enough to bring it up to spec for 65W
16:43 <Nothing\> anyone know what 26 choose 3 is off the top of their head?
17:00 <Nothing\> windows calculator doesn't have a choose function and damned if any of my good calculators are near by
18:12 <Nothing\> or how many iterations of combinations of 3 letters from the english alphabet are possible
18:25 <Nothing\> i guess it doesn't haven't to be choose
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20:10 <Nothing\> fine, i'll download a proper calculator
20:14 <Nothing\> i probably should anyways
20:39 <Nothing\> although windows' calculator's come a long way since windows 10
21:04 <Nothing\> holy shit speaking of which, i just remembered having a dream last night about that whole "windows as a service" thing that microsoft tried to float
21:11 <Nothing\> who the hell dreams about stuff like that?
21:23 <Nothing\> i'm not even that much of a CS nerd
22:59 <Nothing\> i'm not even sure i understand the concept of windows as a service. I think the gist of it was instead of releasing new versions of windows every few years, windows 10 was supposed to be the last version they'd ever release and they'd just continue to add onto it over the years with more service packs and updates and shit. Basically turn it into the world's worst example of bloatware ever.
23:52 <Nothing\> doesn't sound terribly profitable either, unless you make it a subscription service. But then you're basically making users pay for security updates and important stuff, too
25:17 <+electrohead> heh
25:28 <+electrohead> I still remembder how to crash win98 with one command, after all these years!!
25:33 <+electrohead> this is so fucking awesome
25:40 <+electrohead> about to take a video, Nothing\, you'll like this one, heh
27:25 <Nothing\> startkeylogger
27:27 <Nothing\> :P
27:41 <Nothing\> i know it's not quite the same as crashing windows, but you get the idea
27:55 <Nothing\> i remember that actually still working back maybe 10 years ago
28:35 <Nothing\> but i had to do it in its entirety, ie STARTKEYLOGGER "DCCSEND" 0 0 0
28:38 <Nothing\> or whatever it was
29:26 <Nothing\> actually that's a shame about what happened to macafee
29:36 <Nothing\> there's no worse fate than dying in a hell hole prison
29:54 <Nothing\> i don't care who you are, nobody deserves that sort of suffering
30:01 <Nothing\> but i don't believe in revenge
34:13 <+electrohead> https://0xznc01.pw:2600/public/win98_tmp1.webm
34:18 <+electrohead> ta-da
35:40 <jaymax> Nothing\: Windows 365 likely has the most significant usecase for work-from-home employees in medium-sized companies. They won't have a budget to issue laptops, they cannot trust the state of whatever HW the employee uses (from a security standpoint), but need something the employee can do work on.
37:24 <jaymax> So the employee can use their own desktop and remote into something that Microsoft protects the security of.
41:18 <jaymax> Ahhhhh. DOS quirks.
41:47 <jaymax> Thanks for that, electrohead. oVeR aNd OuT ~~~~
41:55 <+electrohead> Remember those days? Lol
42:45 <Nothing\> lol electrohead
42:47 <Nothing\> i don't miss that
42:55 <jaymax> I remember doing discrete stuff between the `ctty nul` and `ctty con` commands.
43:11 <Nothing\> i really hate flash drives and such for that reason, actually
43:22 <Nothing\> i always forget to properly "eject" them in the OS before i take them out
43:36 <Nothing\> cuz i was used to just taking them out for years until windows started giving me a hard time about it
44:12 <Nothing\> and god help you if you're trying to figure out how to properly "eject" a flash drive on some obscure device like a TV
44:34 <Nothing\> takes you 15 minutes just to find the option
44:55 <jaymax> Something I found hilarious in high school, were the Novell NetWare login prompts on Win98. The [?] button was way more than a tooltip, and I showed my friends how they can browse the web withour ever logging in.
47:32 <+electrohead> Yes.
47:43 <+electrohead> Man, the good ol' days. I totally miss them
48:20 <jaymax> What ended up depressing me was when Win98 was still being used on most hospital PCs in 2005, when I did a work placement there. The failings of DOS-as-a-internet-connected-PC was hitting hard by that point.
48:47 <+electrohead> I remember being in typing class, and internet explorer was "not accessible", because they had no desktop icons whatsoever, and the shortcut wasn't located in the start menu. all I did was win key+R, "iexplore.exe", and *poof*
48:58 <+electrohead> Ouch
49:07 <jaymax> There was a leaderboard in the IT dept for how many spyware files removed in one trouble ticket.
49:17 <+electrohead> I can just imagine
49:39 <+electrohead> Heh, that same year, I edited the shut-down graphics, using mspaint, and got caught
49:49 <+electrohead> They discovered I did way more than that, and almost called the cops
50:06 <+electrohead> Was the only time I ever did something malicious, and learned from that very quickly
50:12 <jaymax> I think I won - I found a PC that was cloning two more DLLs every five minutes - noone noticed in the pathlab for weeks.
50:29 <+electrohead> Heh, what virus/malware was it?
50:59 <jaymax> I don't remember, was too long ago.
51:34 <+electrohead> Ahh ok
52:13 <+electrohead> I remember the ILoveYou virus, Melissa virus, and .. Michelangelo?
52:17 <jaymax> Just kept making randomly-named (but vaugely legit-looking) files. Like wdjvkey.dll
53:29 <jaymax> I remmeber the CodeRed mailbomb that cam out around the same time as Mountain Dew was promoting their Code Red drink. Unfortunate branding.
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54:56 <+electrohead> Wow, the memories are just coming and coming
55:16 <+electrohead> That's when I discovered BBS's, IRC, phreaking, and such, back then
55:19 <+electrohead> :D
56:48 <jaymax> I found the source code for Win2000 and/or XP a year ago - my sister longs for the days of XP again so maybe I should see if I can compile it with the important patches, but into some obscure architecture (like SPARC).
57:13 <+electrohead> Nice, you'll need to share details once you do that, you know :p
58:22 <jaymax> Yeah, the vector of attack would me much reduced - ideally I would want to keep it somewhat obscure.
07:57 <jaymax> A family member got a fullscreen modal that locked her phone - some of it transcribed as:
09:54 <jaymax> "nudesquad.us says" "We recently idenitified and shut down a security event involving some of your account information. Your Accounts financial information and SSN were affected."
10:49 <jaymax> "This operating system is locked due to the violation of the federal laws of the united states of America!"
12:15 <jaymax> yada yada yada ... I mean, how dare they insult America with poor use of caps - to a Canuk. :^D
14:50 <jaymax> https://maxuel.compy.ca:8443/index.php/s/L6dasNf5Esxxz9W
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19:21 <Nothing\> oh cool, spacex finally set up the full stack for the starship
19:29 <Nothing\> and it's actually larger than the saturn v
19:41 <Nothing\> it'll be a hell of a thing to see it flies, if it does
19:50 <Nothing\> but with how many failures they've had, i'm not hopeful
20:07 <Nothing\> i mean, they've had something like 10 failures of just the top section in the last year or two
20:21 <DHess_US> Now they take it apart and test the two sections separately.
20:31 <Nothing\> at least 4 or 5 failures this year. Mostly pressure related incidents where the fuel tanks imploded
20:41 <Nothing\> is that the plan?
20:52 <DHess_US> Yes, it is already taken apart.
20:59 <Nothing\> oh, huh
21:08 <DHess_US> Both sections will do full power tests before reassembly.
21:11 <Nothing\> you'd think they'd have assembled it indoors if that was the case
21:24 <DHess_US> Um, they don't have a building that tall.
21:37 <Nothing\> touche
21:38 <Nothing\> lol
21:55 <Nothing\> i wonder if even the VAB could house it
03:20 <steve30> o/
09:07 <+electrohead> \o
14:16 Quit: Nothing\ (~Shmendrick@cpe9050ca20a183-cm9050ca20a180.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) Quit: Leaving
36:40 <Halcyon> Also steve30, yes, the electrician is cute
37:36 * T3sl4 hugs Halcyon
37:40 <Halcyon> \o/
37:40 <steve30> yay
37:47 <Halcyon> Couldn't find the fault
38:05 <Halcyon> Did a earth leakage test with everything plugged in, negative result
38:09 <Halcyon> Which is friggin annoying
40:50 <T3sl4> i'll ground your fault
41:18 <steve30> what was the problem?
41:25 <Halcyon> No idea
41:28 <Halcyon> Couldn't find a fault
41:42 <steve30> i mean, why did you have to call him out?
42:16 <Halcyon> Oh, one of the power circuits tripped last night out of no where and I couldn't reset it. As soon as you flick it on, it would trip off again
42:26 <Halcyon> It's a combination breaker/RCD type thing
43:22 <T3sl4> thats annoying
43:35 <Halcyon> Then this morning after I woke up, I tried again, everything stayed on
43:39 <Halcyon> So *shrug*
43:50 <steve30> possibly a bad appliance then
44:12 <Halcyon> Well that's what I thought, but I plugged everything back in that was plugged in last night, no leakage
44:44 <Halcyon> Also I went around unplugged as much as I could last night, still kept tripping
45:59 <T3sl4> moisture?
46:33 <Halcyon> Quite possibly? The only two things I couldn't isolate were the rangehood and the gas hot water system
46:53 * steve30 meows innocently
46:57 <steve30> :p
47:07 <Halcyon> Probably Steve taking a wizz in the meter box
49:28 <T3sl4> oh no, i've zapped steve30 enough that he's developed a fetish for it
49:46 <Halcyon> Speaking of clamps... I need to go plug my car into the battery charger
50:12 <T3sl4> save a battery, do your nipples instead
50:30 <Halcyon> Steve keeps wanting to use them :P
51:03 <steve30> the battery or the nipples?
51:17 <Halcyon> My battery charger clamps
56:40 <T3sl4> on a related note, i literally have my car battery here, and it's pretty much floated full atm
57:25 <steve30> I think I'll go to bed soon
57:42 <T3sl4> (because my alternator is dead, i don't need to go much of anywhere besides groceries, and it's kinda not worth fixing before i get a new car, so eh, whatever)
02:00 * steve30 snuggles up to T3sl4 
02:21 * T3sl4 gently charges steve30
04:33 * electrohead films
07:35 * T3sl4 exposes electrohead
07:48 <T3sl4> with, uh, UV from plasma i guess
08:24 <+electrohead> lol
08:26 <+electrohead> hey dude
10:24 <T3sl4> yo
12:23 <+electrohead> I've been fighting with windows 98 tonight
12:26 <+electrohead> yay
14:06 <steve30> have you performed any illegal operations yet?
15:39 <+electrohead> https://0xznc01.pw:2600/public/win98_tmp1.webm
15:42 <+electrohead> would that count?
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18:41 <steve30> that'll do
18:46 <steve30> anyway, i'm off to bed
20:19 <+electrohead> later o/
20:29 * electrohead c-con-con's T3sl4
21:20 <Halcyon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pQoVHckq_Y
21:20 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: Can-Can Dance (From 1960 Movie "Can-Can") (1080p HD)
24:43 <+electrohead> I cannot-cannot unsee that
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15:29 * T3sl4 pro-pros electrohead
26:39 <Halcyon> https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/news-life/antivaxxer-family-tragically-die-after-refusing-jab/news-story/c5d57b8fb1b6b1b915d91f84033ae411
26:42 <EEVBot> [Title] - Anti-vaxxer family die of Covid-19 in Portugal after refusing jab
26:43 <Halcyon> S-M-R-T
41:00 * steve30 can't sleep
42:04 * T3sl4 sings steve30 a mRNA-coded lullaby
42:49 <steve30> maybe i should have coffee
48:12 <Halcyon> Well it is coffee time Steve
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55:52 <T3sl4> Halcyon: i mean, it is a day that ends in -y
56:15 <Halcyon> Aren't they all?
56:49 <T3sl4> thatsthejoke.jpg
57:02 <Halcyon> Link is broken
57:03 <Halcyon> :P
57:36 <T3sl4> https://i.imgur.com/U7Ghu2s.mp4
57:42 <Halcyon> Better
59:15 <T3sl4> remember when i said it was a jpg?
59:16 <T3sl4> i lied.
59:23 <Halcyon> I can see that
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01:04 <T3sl4> https://imgur.com/r/thesimpsons/uoNfP
01:06 <EEVBot> [Title] -
05:44 <Halcyon> Hah
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17:15 <hsn> liers upon us
17:23 <hsn> hah Halcyon
21:27 <Halcyon> Hello hsn
23:14 <+electrohead> yo hsn
23:21 <+electrohead> and, I'm back
23:22 <+electrohead> :)
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26:01 <Zsjoelfir> Moooornings
26:09 <+electrohead> Mournings \o/
27:53 * Zsjoelfir mourns at electrohead
28:07 <+electrohead> Hey mate :)
31:17 <Zsjoelfir> So, whats up?
36:05 <+electrohead> :O
36:09 <+electrohead> I fucking got it!!
36:14 <+electrohead> Sorry, got excited
36:54 <+electrohead> Well, I just successfully flashed my telephone line simulator, via an RS232-USB adapter, in fucking Windows 98, virtualized in linux
36:55 <+electrohead> lmfao
37:17 <Zsjoelfir> oO sounds complicated
37:18 <kiska> lol
38:02 <+electrohead> dude I did a lot within the past .. 8 hours
38:03 <+electrohead> >.>
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38:46 <Zsjoelfir> I tried to sleep.
38:50 <Zsjoelfir> and drove to work
38:55 <Zsjoelfir> that was basically my last 8 hours
39:08 <+electrohead> fought with win98, fought with drivers, then I soldered in a second male RS232 connector into the serial adapter, since the original connector had fucking connector posts on it, and the line emulator had posts as well >.<
41:59 <+electrohead> I'm literally dancing over here, I can't believe this fucking thing still works 100%
42:11 <Zsjoelfir> nice^^
42:24 <+electrohead> and I just realized, so after connecting everything, it updated the unit, therefore, I need to perform ROM dumps again
42:34 <+electrohead> and update the post on the forums
48:32 <hsn> electrohead, Halcyon Zsjoelfir morning
48:47 <hsn> Zsjoelfir, ur nick is funny reminds me of a friend
49:13 <Zsjoelfir> mornigns hsn :)
49:26 <hsn> how is ur new work going
49:41 <+electrohead> me or Zsjoelfir?
49:42 <hsn> it was non electronics engineering job ?
50:08 <hsn> electrohead, the Zsolfir
50:22 <+electrohead> ahh ok
50:27 <+electrohead> I have a new job as well :p
50:31 <hsn> oh
50:32 <hsn> what is it
50:39 <+electrohead> an IT based job
50:44 <+electrohead> well, IT and electronics
51:06 <hsn> nice how is it .. fun ?
51:22 <+electrohead> yeah mate, I love it
51:25 <hsn> now u can deal with more concentrated alcohol
51:26 <hsn> :D
51:34 <+electrohead> lol :P
52:26 <hsn> Halcyon, whats for dinner
53:55 <Zsjoelfir> hsn, its completely non ee, right. and its nice, until now I pretty much enjoy it.
54:22 <Zsjoelfir> I already feel my brain relaxing and wanting to do electronics again as its not all day only "EE, EE, EE, EEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!"
55:28 <Zsjoelfir> instead now its meeting, meeting, meeting, testing product, meeting, creating sales packages, meeting, meeting, writing reports and lists, meeting, phone call, fixing some problems with random chinese suppliers, meeting, lunchbreak
08:11 <hsn> hah meetings .. not so nice after some time ..
08:12 <hsn> :D
08:23 <hsn> but enjoy it maybe u will like it ..
08:32 <hsn> depending on who is in meeting
08:33 <hsn> ofc
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13:00 <kiska> arch: Really? Even while I am in lockdown(thanks Sydney) I see quite a few piles of things people throw out, I even saw a CRT being thrown out yesterday
15:29 <Zsjoelfir> its mostly my teammates here, so that is doable. annoying will be the thursday meeting all four weeks with mr. big boss. that is a bit annoying I guess.
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25:37 <Halcyon> hsn: https://www.taste.com.au/recipes/quick-san-choy-bow/47c05ca1-5a2e-4a99-989e-6d2f531c3a4a
28:45 <hsn> Enjoys Halcyon
29:40 <Zsjoelfir> did that link kill the bot?
29:47 <Zsjoelfir> Hello EEVBot
29:48 <EEVBot> Hello, Zsjoelfir!
29:54 <Halcyon> https://www.taste.com.au/recipes/quick-san-choy-bow/47c05ca1-5a2e-4a99-989e-6d2f531c3a4a
30:00 <Zsjoelfir> nope. electrohead, did you disable the link readout thing?
30:33 <+electrohead> EEVBot: help
30:47 <+electrohead> well, that worked
30:50 <+electrohead> EEVBot: hello
30:52 <EEVBot> o/
31:03 <+electrohead> ahh, bot doesn't like that link, sorry about that
31:03 <Halcyon> Might just be those links
31:13 <Zsjoelfir> yes, its alive in general -> [09:29:54] <Zsjoelfir> Hello EEVBot
31:13 <Zsjoelfir> [09:29:55] <+EEVBot> Hello, Zsjoelfir!
31:20 <Zsjoelfir> but.... seems to ignore that link
31:26 <Zsjoelfir> https://www.taste.com.au
31:33 <Zsjoelfir> or the complete domain?
31:46 <Zsjoelfir> http://www.google.de
31:46 <EEVBot> [Title] - Google
31:50 <Zsjoelfir> https://www.google.de
31:52 <EEVBot> [Title] - Google
31:55 <Zsjoelfir> hm.
41:43 <Zsjoelfir> https://www.amazon.de/Sinjimoru-Kabelhalterung-Kabelführung-Kabelmanagement-Selbstklebende/dp/B01DPGW22Y/ I realy like that. what do you guys think? would you buy that as an accessory?
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54:39 <K> hello vacations
59:08 <Zsjoelfir> Hello vaccination
02:55 <K> that is old news
03:21 <K> vacation is coming up tomorrow
05:06 <K> just for 3 days but till
05:10 <K> still
18:33 <Zsjoelfir> nice :P
19:26 <Zsjoelfir> I still like how one of my workmates answers the phone. His name is Boss and he has a very strong, loud voice. "THIS IS RAIDSONIC, BOSS, HELLO?????"
23:27 <K> Boss Boss
23:55 <K> it will be fun when he advances to be Mr Big Boss Boss
25:55 <Zsjoelfir> hehe
26:42 <Zsjoelfir> sadly he is only the same... "rank" as me, would be even funnier if he would realy be mr. big boss :P
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47:53 <Halcyon> Fucking RCD is tripping again
48:46 <K> the fucker!
49:05 <K> did the elechicken come yet?
49:57 <Halcyon> Yeh came today. Breaker would reset fine in the morning, stayed on all day.
50:05 <Halcyon> He checked for earth leakage, nothing.
50:18 <Halcyon> Randomly, it flicks off
54:37 <K> huh
54:54 <Halcyon> Around the same time last night too
55:09 <Halcyon> The breaker trips and it won't reset, just keeps tripping off
55:14 <Halcyon> Wait until the morning, it comes good again
55:26 <K> a short somewhere ?
55:35 <Halcyon> But where?
55:45 <Halcyon> Even with all appliances unplugged, it trips
55:55 <K> $(how much is your house worth) dollar question
09:28 <Zsjoelfir> is it humid around you at this time of year? maybe some humidity creeping into some old fixture?
32:38 <Halcyon> No quite, the opposite, it's quite dry
32:42 <Halcyon> About 40% RH
32:50 <Halcyon> Also it's a new house (under 10 years old)
36:26 <Ampera> lol
36:30 <Ampera> whole house GFCIs
36:37 <Ampera> you foreigners are so cute
36:48 <Halcyon> It's not the whole house, just one circuit
36:56 <Ampera> interesting
36:58 <Halcyon> I have like 8 different circuits
37:00 <Ampera> we don't have that either
37:03 <Ampera> only 8?
37:10 <Ampera> we have maybe 20-30
37:32 <Halcyon> 2 power, 2 lights, 1 water pump, 1 AC, 1 comms/server, 1 oven
37:56 <Ampera> Afaik this house isn't wired for separate lighting and power circuits.
38:02 <K> everything is bigger in the usa!
38:05 <Ampera> the circuit layout basically makes no sense
38:12 <Ampera> which is not uncommon for US houses
38:40 <Ampera> so one circuit could be half the outlets and all the lights in the kitchen, and all of the bathroom
38:42 <Halcyon> The house is roughly split in half. The east power/lights have their own breaker as does the west.
38:51 <Ampera> another could be a few outlets in one room, then outlets on an entire other story
39:18 <K> more fun for the electricians
39:40 <Ampera> we also have two 30A dryer circuits, and either 1 or 2 50A stove circuits
39:43 <Ampera> both 240V
40:10 <Halcyon> The electrician said the chances of a faulty breaker is extremely low. Not unheard of but he has only seen a few in his time.
40:18 <Halcyon> And it's ABB branded too, not some cheap Chinese shit
40:40 * Ampera plays with Halcyon's Square D
41:34 <Halcyon> The only thing I can think of that has changes is the new rack, but all the equipment was pre-existing
42:10 <Ampera> probably water or moisture in a line somewhere with some busted insulation
42:19 <Ampera> do you have any mains power outside?
42:35 <Halcyon> Yes but on a difference circuit
42:41 <Halcyon> *different
43:02 <Ampera> what is this faulty circuit providing
43:28 <Ampera> I mean it could also just be something you plugged in that has developed a fault to ground you're unaware of
43:29 <Halcyon> Power outlets to the east side of the house, dishwasher, microwave, cooktop, range hood and gas hot water
44:10 <Ampera> plenty of stuff to where a moisture based fault to ground could not inconceivably exist
44:30 <Halcyon> True, but I've disconnected those appliances and nothing
44:38 <Ampera> if only you didn't have that GFCI, then you could figure out which of them has burst into flames
45:16 <Halcyon> That would be easier, yes.
45:21 <Halcyon> Or the one that gives you a zap
45:41 <Ampera> well then that wouldn't be a fault to ground, at least not right up until you touched it
46:00 <Halcyon> At least I'd have a particular event to tie it to
46:59 <Ampera> thinking about these circuits reminds me of the cable we have for the 50A outlet that's feeding my servers
47:06 <Ampera> damn thing is coarsely stranded aluminum
47:19 <Halcyon> *Aluminium
47:31 <Ampera> I knew you were going to say that. I specifically spelled it right just so you could be wrong.
47:52 <Halcyon> Everywhere else in the world spells it the usual way :P
47:54 <Ampera> was a right pain in the ass to install it into the outlet
48:14 <Ampera> there are plenty of languages that don't even have a latin alphabet that are literally incapable of spelling it the "usual" way
48:32 <Ampera> it's almost like we speak different dialects or something.
48:49 <Halcyon> Yes, we speak regular English. You guys speak whateves
49:20 <Halcyon> Maybe the extra syllable was too hard? :P
49:20 <Ampera> You don't even speak regular English, you guys have plenty of regular slang completely and totally foreign to "regular" English
49:31 <Halcyon> Slang is entirely different
49:38 <Halcyon> We're talking about a chemical element
49:42 <Ampera> *regular -> common
49:55 <Ampera> as in, elements of a language which exist in common speech, as opposed to academia
50:28 <Halcyon> Well you and Canada can go hang out together. We'll just be over here with the rest of the English speaking world.
50:28 <Ampera> I think you're just mad the world isn't exactly as it is in your image.
50:30 <Ampera> ya racist
50:34 <Ampera> >:D
50:37 <Halcyon> :P
50:46 <Halcyon> Fuck I hate Americans :P
50:52 <Halcyon> I wish you were more like the Indians
50:54 <Ampera> you're a racist, father!
51:01 <Ampera> I thought you hated the Asians.
51:11 <Halcyon> No, they are lovely. Food is great too.
51:23 <Ampera> You just think they're mentally incapable of driving.
51:31 <Halcyon> Some, yes.
51:37 <Ampera> I rest my case.
51:39 <Halcyon> But the same applies to some white women too :P
52:33 <Ampera> I mean if you want to make the case that any demographic will exhibit common human tendencies, you could do so without having to specifically single down a single race or gender.
52:55 <Ampera> but you know, do what makes you feel comfortable, wouldn't want you to have to deal with a diverse and fair world or anything.
52:57 <Halcyon> OK... let's talk about brown/caramel people then?
52:57 <Halcyon> :P
53:02 <Ampera> "caramel"
53:05 <Ampera> hahahaha
53:13 <Halcyon> Just being all-inclusive
53:18 <Halcyon> Wouldn't want to single anyone out
54:05 <Ampera> There's a difference between overt inclusivity for the sake of inclusivity, and the specific malicious singling out of a demographic to make a stereotypical generalization
54:21 <Halcyon> You know I don't really care right? I'm just shit-stirring
54:34 <Halcyon> All that matters is penis size. Nothing more.
54:35 <Halcyon> :P
54:40 <Ampera> Oh I know, but I enjoy planting just a few seeds to hopefully some day make you think you're a terrible person.
54:50 <Ampera> When in reality you're just as flawed and irritating as anyone else.
54:55 <Halcyon> Yep
55:14 <Halcyon> The difference is, no one cares over here.
55:22 <Ampera> Some day I'd love to rent a commercial/industrial building of some sort as like a workshop
55:26 <Halcyon> As the song goes... everyone's a little bit racist.
56:00 <Ampera> somewhere I can dick around with 3 phase power and run high power gadgetry without stressing the power bill so much
56:31 <Halcyon> You want an abandoned warehouse.... where you can dick around.... sounds about right
56:41 <Ampera> when did I say abandoned
56:50 <Ampera> or warehouse for that matter
56:52 <Halcyon> I was paraphrasing
57:10 <Ampera> we have these sort of buildings that are kinda a mix between commercial and industrial property
57:32 <Ampera> as in you might see a common business (or even a church) right next to a company that did metal fabrication or something else technical
59:19 <Halcyon> I hate you
59:24 <Halcyon> I'm going to go lay in bed
59:28 <Ampera> I love you
59:32 <Halcyon> :)
59:33 <Ampera> let me lay down right next to you
59:41 <Ampera> and we can start talking about that wang of yours
59:45 <Halcyon> Only if you keep your hairy ass to yourself
59:45 <Ampera> and what we could do with it
59:59 <K> cease the thing, right now!
00:04 <Halcyon> Sorry K
00:30 * Ampera nails a notarized and stamped Australian homosexuality permit to the wall
00:38 <Ampera> we have a loicense, no worriers mate
00:44 <Halcyon> Hahaha
01:22 <K> but do you have a registration for it>
01:23 <K> ?
01:23 <Halcyon> But seriously, I'm going to go lay in bed. I have the shits. This electricity thing is annoying me
02:04 <K> it is unsettling
02:39 <K> are the wires in distribution box long enough to swap the breakers?
02:58 <K> just to cross-test
03:06 <Halcyon> They are just going to replace the breaker tomorrow.
03:16 <Ampera> Don't tell him to dick around with high voltage, he might zap himself straight on accident.
03:39 <Ampera> Then I'd have to find some other flagrant homosexual misanthrope to torment.
03:57 <Halcyon> The chances of having two faulty breakers is astronomically low.
07:03 <Halcyon> Anyway I'm going to bed. Night all. Love you Ampera.
07:04 <Halcyon> xox
07:11 <Ampera> <3 <3 <3 <3
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