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00:21:22 Quit: Lord_of_nothing ([email protected]) Ping timeout: 121 seconds
00:21:46 <arch> so apparently, thermal fuses do NOT also function as current fuses, at least according to their datasheet
00:21:55 <arch> so you need two fuses in series
00:22:01 <arch> one thermal, one current
00:22:12 <T3sl4> cite
00:22:15 <K> kinda makes sense
00:22:25 <T3sl4> i think you'll find they still have current ratings :^)
00:22:37 <K> well, in that case everthing is a fuse
00:22:50 <K> yall just dont have the current to pop them
00:23:01 <Ampera> I kinda want an 8 string guitar
00:23:08 <K> 8 fuses!
00:23:22 <T3sl4> mehdi, is that you?
00:23:42 <T3sl4> more specifically, not that the wire leads for example will fuse eventually, but that the thermal element will heat up preferentially, of course
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00:24:24 * Ampera attacks T3sl4 with a toblerone
00:24:42 * T3sl4 gets toblerOWNED
00:24:53 <Ampera> get toblerpwned
00:25:06 <Ampera> NOOOOOOOB
00:25:07 * T3sl4 reduces it to the milder toblerol
00:26:09 <arch> T3sl4, https://www.eevblog.com/forum/beginners/is-a-thermal-fuse-a-current-fuse-as-well/
00:26:11 <EEVBot> [Title] - Is a thermal fuse a current fuse as well? - Page 1
00:26:29 <arch> "Standard thermal fuses are intended to open at a certain temperature only, not interrupt based on current. The rating on a thermal fuse is the maximum continuous current handling capability, not some kind of current interrupt rating."
00:27:16 <T3sl4> >asked for cites
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00:27:21 <T3sl4> >brings up fucking eevb thread
00:27:33 <T3sl4> >eevb thread doesnt even have posts from that T3-something guy
00:27:58 <arch> you're right. next time someone asks a question about power supplies, we can all redirect that person away from your numerous threads :D
00:28:00 <Ampera> T3sl4c0ck
00:28:16 <T3sl4> c0ck1l, the -ck- is silent
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00:28:35 <Ampera> Any power supply will do. All of them are just as good as each other, electrolytic caps never go bad, don't bother buying decent ones
00:28:42 <Ampera> coil whine is just a sign that it's working
00:29:28 <T3sl4> arch: point being, why dont you go look at some actual datasheets instead of some rando's word
00:30:22 <arch> https://www.swe-check.com.au/editorials/thermal_fuses.php
00:30:24 <EEVBot> [Title] - What is a Thermal Fuses | Elcut Fuses - Swe-Check
00:30:28 <arch> " Unlike electrical fuses or circuit breakers, thermal fuses only react to excessive temperature, not excessive current, unless the excessive current is sufficient to cause the thermal fuse itself to heat up to the trigger temperature. "
00:30:43 <Ampera> it's not true unless it's on snopes
00:30:44 <arch> i've seen that statement before on datasheets too
00:31:11 <K> datasheets cite snopes?
00:31:34 <Ampera> if they're worth anything yes
00:31:49 <Ampera> snopes can't be wrong, because snopes checked out snopes and says snopes is correct
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00:40:22 <T3sl4> arch: this looks good https://www.cantherm.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/SDF_JUNE_2016.pdf
00:41:47 <T3sl4> it appears they rate it by operating temp, and current derates it, so when near Tf, it will act somewhat as a regular fuse
00:42:27 <K> eew, temps in farenHATE
00:42:30 <T3sl4> i would guess, the self heating is small enough (or construction is conductive enough) that it doesn't fuse anywhere near rated current, at lower temps
00:42:33 * K closes tab in disgust
00:42:43 <arch> i guess
00:42:59 <arch> these are the ones i have https://atcsemitec.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/sefuse-sfh-r-thermal-fuses.pdf
00:43:05 <T3sl4> K: wTf?
00:43:33 <T3sl4> so, for current protection, yes, you need a regular-fuse-fuse in series.
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00:47:03 <arch> see, you were wrong. was that so hard to admit?
00:47:35 <arch> anything is a fuse if you pass enough current through it :D
00:48:20 <arch> alarmingly, i did NOT see a thermal fuse or even a regular fuse in a toaster oven that i converted to a reflow oven
00:48:41 <arch> or maybe the timer section had it, who knows
00:49:14 <T3sl4> arch: when i don't remember things, i look them up
00:51:05 <K> the whole world is a big fuse
01:02:20 <T3sl4> the whole world is a manys
01:37:28 <arch> the whole world is a hentai
01:38:23 <K> no u
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01:51:17 <T3sl4> arch: https://i.imgur.com/6J6N8Mb.jpg
01:53:41 <Lord_of_nothing> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHcN-6kaVTg
01:53:41 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: Weff 2021: Vortrag Karina Reiss & Sucharit Bhakdi
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02:24:58 <+electrohead> any SSD recommendations for between 50 and 100 dollars?
02:25:19 <Ampera> electrohead, what interface
02:25:24 <+electrohead> not looking for a mass amount of storage, just looking to replace the HDD in my main laptop
02:25:38 <Ampera> 2.5" SATA?
02:25:39 <+electrohead> SATA, 2.5 inch
02:25:47 <+electrohead> lol
02:25:54 <Ampera> Depends on how much you care
02:26:02 <Ampera> if it's not that much, buy whatever's cheap and easy
02:26:13 <Ampera> if you care, an older spec Samsung SSD is probably your best bet
02:26:23 <+electrohead> I want something that is at least going to last some time
02:26:36 <Ampera> Samsung.
02:29:17 <+electrohead> https://www.amazon.com/Samsung-500GB-Internal-MZ-76E500B-AM/dp/B0781Z7Y3S
02:29:18 <EEVBot> [Title] - Sorry! Something went wrong!
02:29:21 <+electrohead> I spotted this guy
02:29:37 <Ampera> Yeah I had one of those
02:29:42 <Ampera> though mine was 350 bucks when new
02:29:46 <Ampera> >:/
02:29:57 <+electrohead> ;o
02:30:00 <Ampera> That's a solid choice though, right in your price range, and it's known reliable
02:44:37 <rust_collector> Not that I use my drives very hard, but the samsung ones does seem to work well. I have only had issues with the intel ones.
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02:50:35 <+electrohead> well that's fucked up
02:50:52 <+electrohead> I walked away from my laptop for a little bit, came back, about to buy that ... aaand, it's gone
02:52:24 <Ampera> lol
02:52:27 <K> sniped
02:53:56 <+electrohead> yeah, last time I'm ever posting a link in here again to something I want to purchase
02:54:26 <rust_collector> well, it was not a bad deal...
02:54:29 <rust_collector> thanks
02:56:47 <+electrohead> if that was someone in here who bought that, before I could, just man up and say it was you
02:56:51 <+electrohead> I won't be mad
02:57:02 <Ampera> I wish it was me
02:57:07 <Ampera> but all my shit's NVMe
02:57:13 <+electrohead> but, if no one fesses up to that, then yeah.. that's where slight anger will set in
02:57:27 <rust_collector> in that case, it was probably me
02:57:37 <+electrohead> probably? it's either yes or no, lol
02:57:42 <Ampera> probably.
02:57:46 <rust_collector> oh. then I am not sure
02:57:49 <Ampera> it's probably yes, but maybe no
02:57:53 <Ampera> nobody really knows
02:57:58 <rust_collector> it depends
02:57:58 <Ampera> sort of one of those yes and no kinda things
02:58:03 <Ampera> who's asking
02:59:02 * electrohead flings his arms in the air and laughs
02:59:16 <K> where did you get those arms?
02:59:27 <rust_collector> shouldn't you be looking for ssds?
03:14:33 * T3sl4 flings his ARMs at electrohead
03:16:18 <+electrohead> mine are version 7h, what are yours?
03:18:46 * Ampera StrongARMs electrohead into a hug
03:26:30 <+electrohead> raspberry pi's are all over the floor, now
03:28:35 <rust_collector> they sound like insects, if you step on them
03:40:59 <Lord_of_nothing> well....
03:41:02 <Lord_of_nothing> "Your query has now been assigned to Default Name ."
03:41:38 <Lord_of_nothing> poor child
03:41:46 <Lord_of_nothing> as poor as "undefined"
03:42:05 <T3sl4> sucks to be John Null
03:43:40 <Lord_of_nothing> better than Hans Wurst.
03:44:33 <+electrohead> I'd rather be /dev/null
03:45:07 <rust_collector> I would not mind having a @ in my name
03:49:37 <T3sl4> little rusty tables we call him
03:58:06 <Lord_of_nothing> its way better than some african names
04:10:37 Mode: (by electrohead) -o electrohead
04:13:35 <DHess_US> Someone got the sound right, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCRxuOE4B70
04:13:36 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: OUT NOW Space Marines Fight for SURVIVAL in New Co-op Shooter | Aliens: Fireteam Elite Gameplay
04:22:30 <arch> do i strictly need a MOV for one of these snubbers for an inductive load? https://www.ebay.com/itm/274818088360
04:22:32 <EEVBot> [Title] - Rc absorption snubber circuits module relay contact protections resistancU_dr | eBay
04:22:47 <arch> i dont have any movs around, but i do have film caps and bigass resistors
04:28:43 <T3sl4> oh that was weird, windows explorer didn't show the ">", folder-expand icon, for a moment there
04:29:24 <DHess_US> Are MOVs ever appropriate as snubbers?
04:30:45 <T3sl4> why not?
04:32:47 <arch> is T3sl4 ever appropriate to solving your smps related questions?
04:33:27 <T3sl4> no ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
04:33:28 <DHess_US> MOVs only have a limited total energy capability.
04:33:59 <T3sl4> relay coils are waaaaaaaaay down under the "infinite" lifetime curve in the datasheet
04:34:57 <arch> ok, so for example, let's take heating coils in my toaster oven. each coil is 22 Ohm resistance, 120uH inductance (air code i guess).
04:36:16 <arch> so say 6A of current in that coil (at 120VAC). energy to be dissipated is 0.5 * (120uH) * (6A^2) --> 2.16mJ
04:37:02 <arch> dissipating 2.16mV every few seconds, that's not much energy right. movs should be fine
04:38:43 <arch> i do say that it makes a hella large sparks WITHOUT any snubber, across the relay contacts
04:39:14 <arch> https://moltensolderlabs.com/assets/projects/reflow_oven/relays_arcing.m4v
04:39:55 <T3sl4> don't forget to double that because peak current vs rms
04:40:12 <T3sl4> but 120uH is probably a massive overestimate, and most of the sparking is just because the voltage and current are high enough
04:40:45 <arch> huh, well, that's what i got from my LCR meter at least. 120uH
04:41:02 <T3sl4> oh, neat
04:41:06 <T3sl4> well, at what frequency
04:41:09 <T3sl4> it's got a lot of ESR
04:41:48 <T3sl4> hopefully over 30kHz?
04:41:51 <arch> i dont quite remember what freq, but the default is at 1kHz
04:41:58 <arch> i can make it measure at 100kHz
04:42:28 <arch> fuckin LCR meter breaks bank man...that's like 10% of my entire lab net worth...
04:43:19 <arch> why do they cost $400+ for the good ones
04:44:43 <T3sl4> impedance is hard?
04:48:30 <arch> i paid $480 for a Keysight U1733C, but look at these mofos, cloned it EXACTLY, and selling for $200 used...where was this thing 3 years ago when i coulda saved $300? https://www.ebay.com/itm/294199280633?hash=item447fa4c3f9
04:48:32 <EEVBot> [Title] - BK Precision 879 LCR Meter | eBay
04:49:15 <arch> oh woops, that one doesn't have a 100kHz mode. nvm
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07:10:53 <electrohead> https://gfycat.com/jitterylastflyingsquirrel
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07:31:11 * electrohead beers everybody
07:33:41 <T3sl4> \o/
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07:51:53 <DHess_US> Who says I can't have hash browns and eggs for an early dinner? Show me where it says I can't!
07:52:15 <electrohead> DHess_US: Fuck yes you can.
07:52:26 * T3sl4 regularly does
07:52:29 * electrohead adds hot sauce
07:54:01 <DHess_US> Reading that Siliconix MOSFET applications book reminds me of how much I have forgotten. I wish there were more detailed electronics books like that.
07:55:02 <electrohead> Everything needs to be more detailed.
08:02:05 * Erhard digs through old Jim Williams AppNotes...
08:02:49 <DHess_US> Like, what happens to the collector current when you emitter switch a saturated bipolar transistor?
08:03:13 <DHess_US> I need to test that.
08:03:59 <T3sl4> what do you mean what happens?
08:04:19 <T3sl4> at the instant of turning off emitter, Ic flows out B, turning it off at hFE(off)=1
08:05:10 <T3sl4> you can turn it off harder with direct B-E drive, though it rarely seems to have any benefit over cascode as you're usually dealing with capacitance at that point
08:05:15 <Erhard> Fore some values of P
08:05:20 <Erhard> ;-)
08:05:31 * T3sl4 dopes Erhard
08:05:43 * Erhard rolls in Corona Dope and approaches some HV lines
08:05:47 * electrohead widlarizes Erhard
08:06:27 * Erhard Cranks the volume on his Hassler to destory electrohead's ears.
08:07:10 <Erhard> I actually made a high frequency Hassler to shut my dog up.
08:07:30 <Erhard> Only dips down into > 20kHz range and she stops barking
08:07:41 <electrohead> lol
08:07:46 <electrohead> hey mate :P
08:08:19 <Erhard> http://www.analogzoo.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/widlar_salute_thumb-259x300.jpg
08:09:04 <T3sl4> ah, i see you can count to 1
08:09:14 <Erhard> https://sourceopen.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/WidlarPosterForDigitalGuys_small-688x1024.gif
08:09:18 <Erhard> Yep
08:12:06 <DHess_US> T3sl4, that is what I have assumed but I've never actually observed it.
08:12:28 <DHess_US> And nothing I have read describes that particular situation.
08:13:50 <electrohead> How can you describe it, then?
08:14:23 <T3sl4> you put the beer in the coconut.
08:14:27 <DHess_US> T3sl4, I have difficulty imagining Ib x hfe draining out of the base terminal.
08:15:01 <T3sl4> ??
08:15:52 <DHess_US> If the transistor was barely saturated, then Ic = hfe * Ib. When I emitter switch it, then that has to drain out the base.
08:16:23 <T3sl4> if it's barely saturated then it won't take long to come back out
08:16:50 <DHess_US> Its still hfe * Ib
08:17:14 <DHess_US> I should find some slow transistors to test it with.
08:17:26 <T3sl4> so it goes from e.g. 0.1mA to -10mA, so what?
08:17:49 <DHess_US> More likely 100mA to -10 amps
08:18:09 <T3sl4> if you want to do it at scale, sure :P
08:20:30 <DHess_US> Which reminds me, I was going to look for TO-220 high voltage commentary pairs to find something suitable for that piezo amplifier we have been discussing in the forums.
08:20:39 <DHess_US> My selection guides only go up to TO-225 parts.
08:21:12 <DHess_US> Well, they go up to TO-220 parts but not quite to the needed voltage.
08:21:52 <DHess_US> That question keeps coming up in the forums in various forms that I am thinking of designing something suitable for the general case.
08:28:44 <T3sl4> DHess_US: well, good luck with complements, https://www.digikey.com/short/wf2c5nz8
08:28:46 <EEVBot> [Title] - Discrete Semiconductor Products | Transistors - Bipolar (BJT) - Single | DigiKey
08:28:58 <T3sl4> better off doing quasi complementary or just TTL-style
08:29:58 <DHess_US> No reason to do that unless no suitable complementary pairs are available. They are available in TO-225 parts.
08:30:41 <T3sl4> hm, 10W at 200V isn't terrifyingly bad, but it's still just another switching transistor
08:32:29 <DHess_US> There are some 20 watt TO-225 parts.
08:35:28 <DHess_US> Yea, what I thought. The only options are ring emitter transistors intended for audio driver applications. That isn't a bad choice but they are quite a bit slower.
08:36:09 <T3sl4> uh, slower than what? they'll do 60MHz
08:36:12 <DHess_US> Nobody made a larger CRT driver, which makes sense.
08:36:17 <T3sl4> if you can afford the amperes ;)
08:36:40 <DHess_US> datasheet actually says 30 MHz.
08:36:58 <T3sl4> some go higher
08:37:20 <DHess_US> Those are the fastest ones on the list
08:37:39 <DHess_US> https://www.mouser.com/datasheet/2/308/1/MJE15034_D-2316116.pdf
08:38:23 <T3sl4> 80 typ at 500mA
08:38:49 <T3sl4> sure tanks hard over 1-2A...
08:39:30 <T3sl4> ugh, no capacitance whatsoever
08:40:01 <DHess_US> They have high reverse transfer capacitance. They aren't intended for common emitter applications.
08:40:15 <DHess_US> That is why I said they didn't make an equivalent.
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08:41:00 <T3sl4> if you need stupidfast try HV GaN :P
08:41:15 <T3sl4> not that they're rated for any DC at all, but maybe you don't need much for small signal purposes
08:41:19 <DHess_US> I was looking for a TO-220 version of the KSA1381-
08:41:19 <DHess_US> KSC3503
08:41:19 <DHess_US> or KSA1142-
08:41:19 <DHess_US> KSC2682
08:41:44 <T3sl4> yeah, i'm not aware of anything close to those
08:42:15 <DHess_US> I am, a bunch of them in parallel. :)
08:42:52 <T3sl4> parallels aren't TO-220s :P
08:43:03 <DHess_US> You have to squint your eyes a little.
08:43:25 <electrohead> fight!
08:43:34 <DHess_US> And since I would use emitter degeneration, parallel operation is free.
08:43:53 * electrohead places bets on both DHess_US and T3sl4
08:44:09 <DHess_US> The emitter resistor is needed for Vbe current limiting anyway.
08:45:34 * T3sl4 punches out electrohead in a dramatic turn of events
08:49:30 <DHess_US> I haven't designed an amplifier like that since about 1999, and then I was only interested in audio.
08:51:28 <DHess_US> Of course my audio amplifier started out with a 600 kHz full power bandwidth using 2 MHz output transistors.
08:51:56 <T3sl4> natch
08:52:04 * electrohead strangles T3sl4 with a mouse cord
08:52:20 <DHess_US> Worked great up until the time it went into thermal runaway.
08:52:32 * T3sl4 stumbles DHess_US with a mouser gift card
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08:58:20 * electrohead throws digikey coupons at DHess_US
09:08:51 <T3sl4> https://i.imgur.com/eIWLRZO.jpg
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09:17:46 <Erhard> Welcom, Glorfindel
09:18:07 <Glorfindel> thanks :)
09:18:26 <Glorfindel> did stupid make it yet
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09:18:32 <Erhard> There he is
09:18:35 <Glorfindel> ey there he is lol
09:18:45 <electrohead> o/
09:18:53 <Erhard> More ham radio guys for everyone
09:19:04 <electrohead> \o/
09:19:27 <StupidLikeAFox> Commercial electrician as a day job
09:19:39 <Erhard> Oh, nice
09:19:53 <Erhard> You're not in NE are you?
09:19:56 * electrohead sends 10 KV through one of StupidLikeAFox's arms
09:20:01 <Erhard> (LIke there is only one electrician ham)
09:20:15 <Glorfindel> 'everything' electrician in training here lol
09:20:19 <StupidLikeAFox> Midwest
09:20:33 <Erhard> I am as well
09:22:08 <electrohead> StupidLikeAFox: where are you from?
09:22:14 <electrohead> Glorfindel: you as well?
09:22:19 <electrohead> pennsylvania, here
09:22:21 <T3sl4> great a sparkie, you screw up all the carefully crafted designs i make
09:22:24 <StupidLikeAFox> OH
09:22:30 <Glorfindel> WI
09:22:41 * T3sl4 badgers Glorfindel
09:22:43 * Glorfindel glares at StupidLikeAFox
09:22:44 <StupidLikeAFox> T3sl4: I do it as per prints and the pile of RFIs
09:23:01 <T3sl4> j/k of course
09:23:06 <T3sl4> except when not, but you know
09:23:18 <Glorfindel> wait are you an engineer?
09:23:22 <electrohead> lol
09:23:23 <T3sl4> EE
09:23:37 <Erhard> I drive a train
09:23:38 <Glorfindel> I HAVE A FEW BONES TO PICK WITH ANY ENGINEER IN AUDIBLE RANGE
09:23:42 <electrohead> T3sl4 and Glorfindel are getting along just fine ;D
09:23:57 <StupidLikeAFox> I do soldering iron type stuff as a hobby, but don't venture in uC's and SMD
09:24:24 * electrohead solders 0402 parts onto StupidLikeAFox's toes
09:24:25 <StupidLikeAFox> Erhard: commuter, freight, or shunter?
09:24:31 <Erhard> that's OK, most of us don't venture into 3 phase
09:24:58 <Erhard> Rocket train... ex-war experimental German train
09:25:13 <StupidLikeAFox> I hooked up a couple of 50A 480V temp feeders to a ganerator today
09:25:20 <Erhard> Nah, no trains, expect toys as a kid
09:25:42 <Erhard> Nice, what sort of generator?>
09:25:54 <StupidLikeAFox> Then a couple hours later, sunbelt repo'd the generator; the GC told us it was theirs and to use it, but it was actually the painter's
09:26:04 <Glorfindel> lol
09:26:08 <Erhard> Ha!
09:26:56 <Erhard> I need to change the oil in my standby generator
09:27:21 * electrohead lubes Erhard
09:27:38 <Glorfindel> oh boy
09:27:39 <Erhard> My wife will get jealous
09:28:09 <electrohead> Good.
09:28:10 <electrohead> Lol
09:28:14 <StupidLikeAFox> MQ Power DCA70SSIUF4F, 70KVA
09:28:21 <Erhard> Nice
09:28:32 <T3sl4> not generac? *shame*
09:28:33 <Erhard> I just have an 18kVA
09:28:36 <T3sl4> or not idc
09:28:44 <electrohead> StupidLikeAFox: you need to hook up with photonic induction
09:28:46 * electrohead nods
09:28:48 <StupidLikeAFox> I only know the model number because I looked up a manual on my phone to make sure the output was setup properly
09:28:49 <Erhard> And mine is a Generac.. And I would never buy another Generac
09:29:10 <StupidLikeAFox> my personal one is just a honda eu2200i
09:29:11 <Glorfindel> we've been putting in a lot of generacs lately
09:29:16 <Erhard> It tried to save fuel at low loads by loweriong the frequency to 57Hz
09:29:28 <Erhard> UPSes really don't like it right around 57Hz.
09:29:30 <Glorfindel> lol
09:29:42 <Erhard> So I have to turn ON all the lights when the generator comes on.
09:29:53 <Erhard> To increase the load so it stops that nonsense.
09:30:16 <Erhard> It's not adjustable. THough somewhere I saw someone made a fix to the circuit. But I lost it, and have not sen it in a while
09:30:49 <Erhard> Next one will be a Kohler
09:30:51 <Glorfindel> how old is it?
09:31:00 <Erhard> 15 years ish
09:31:12 <Erhard> 10-15
09:31:22 <Erhard> As far as I understand they all do it
09:31:26 <Glorfindel> we don't usually put kohlers in because kohler makes a tremendous effort to keep non dealers from activating them
09:31:29 <T3sl4> kohler, ah yes the reason why most of WI, and... RI call water fountains "bubblers" :P
09:31:55 <Erhard> YEah, not German ;-)
09:32:12 * electrohead germinates Erhard
09:32:22 * Erhard sprouts
09:32:42 <T3sl4> that's not very GeH4 to the conversation
09:32:48 <Erhard> LOL
09:33:25 <Erhard> It's more 1n34
09:33:37 <T3sl4> i know, i'm just being an https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arsole
09:33:44 * StupidLikeAFox squints at words on screen, then at empty tumbler of gin and tonic
09:33:45 <Erhard> Heh
09:34:04 <T3sl4> just finishing a whiskey on the rocks, myself
09:36:35 <Glorfindel> T3sl4: are you in WI too or RI?
09:36:42 <T3sl4> WI
09:36:56 <Glorfindel> fancy
09:37:18 <T3sl4> tho i can confirm i had a coworker from RI who said it's true
09:37:28 <Glorfindel> lol
09:39:31 <Erhard> bbl
09:44:13 <MrMobodies> Hello
09:44:25 <Glorfindel> o/
09:44:28 <MrMobodies> When you are handling audio cables and espcialy coaxial ones
09:44:43 <MrMobodies> someone told me many years ago
09:44:43 <electrohead> ?
09:44:48 <MrMobodies> that you are not suppose to twist them
09:44:56 <MrMobodies> but this man seems to have them twiste
09:44:57 <MrMobodies> https://i.imgur.com/75dwfaQ.jpg
09:45:00 <MrMobodies> is this right?
09:45:11 <Glorfindel> you mean coiled?
09:45:18 <MrMobodies> yes
09:45:25 <electrohead> is that you?
09:45:28 <MrMobodies> and old caox network cables
09:45:29 <MrMobodies> no
09:45:35 <MrMobodies> that is
09:45:38 <MrMobodies> Ilgg ge thte link
09:45:39 <Glorfindel> don't over coil them, otherwise it usually makes no difference
09:45:46 <MrMobodies> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7Opv0Zx6Mc
09:45:53 <MrMobodies> it won't damage them?
09:46:18 <MrMobodies> I thought someone told me the twisting of the coax cables can cause the core to break
09:46:28 <Glorfindel> if you wind them very small it can
09:46:34 <Glorfindel> but they usually come on a spool so
09:46:38 <MrMobodies> what about in that video?
09:46:44 <MrMobodies> where he has them coiled up
09:47:00 <Glorfindel> I'll bet those are all pretty finely stranded
09:47:13 <Glorfindel> the finer the stranding, the more flexible the cable, generally
09:47:22 <StupidLikeAFox> the pictured coils look quite find for the diameter of the cox involved, but I'm guessing those are speaker cables that don't even need to be coax
09:47:27 <MrMobodies> okay so they are stranded not solid core
09:47:53 <Glorfindel> and the more flexible the cable, the tighter you can coil them
09:48:02 <StupidLikeAFox> in general though, you have to apply some force to copper cable cables to exceed their rated bending radius
09:48:33 <Glorfindel> the big thing with coax is you don't want to make an oval out of it by coiling it too tight
09:48:38 <StupidLikeAFox> those coils don't look to have any sort of tape or ties on them to hold them at their current size
09:48:40 <Glorfindel> or especially kink it
09:49:00 <MrMobodies> I see so no damage done to them
09:49:01 <DHess_US> T3sl4, could use the TO-220 output transistors as cascodes.
09:49:16 <Glorfindel> you'll end up kinking it long before you actually break the copper inside, as copper is quite bendy :)
09:49:16 <electrohead> I'm clocking out and going to bed.
09:49:48 <Glorfindel> gn electrohead
09:49:49 <MrMobodies> it is 00:49 am in the morning in England
09:50:01 <MrMobodies> and I intend to stay up till the morning
09:50:25 <MrMobodies> all out of bordom
09:50:47 <MrMobodies> nice and quiet in the night... no phone calls or squablibg.
09:51:05 <MrMobodies> until I get work in a couple of months
09:53:36 <T3sl4> speaking of weird https://i.imgur.com/jaTuGMY.mp4
09:54:34 <Glorfindel> a bloodless hand? that IS odd
09:56:31 <MrMobodies> I have long nails
09:56:41 <MrMobodies> but not that long
09:56:47 <MrMobodies> I use them to open up things
09:57:13 <MrMobodies> and they stronger than those plastic things
09:57:33 * T3sl4 pries one of MrMobodies's fingernails against Glorfindel until they open up emotionally
09:57:42 <Glorfindel> :O
09:57:46 <MrMobodies> but after they time become bendy and starts hurting leaving m with no choice but to cut it a bit short
09:58:06 <T3sl4> i keep mind to, uh, maybe a bit under 1mm to 2mm
09:58:08 <StupidLikeAFox> the growth rate of my nails is proprotional to how anal safety is being about gloves
09:58:09 <MrMobodies> I do clean them too with alcohol wipes
09:58:39 <T3sl4> anal safety is important, keep your fingernails trimmed for fisting.
09:58:53 <MrMobodies> anal safety and assulting?
09:58:57 <MrMobodies> I am confused
09:59:27 <T3sl4> it's only assault if it's not consentual
09:59:28 <StupidLikeAFox> anal as pertaining to degree of, not subject of
09:59:38 <MrMobodies> so I suppose it would be dangerous if I assaulted someone as the nail could strike them
09:59:51 <MrMobodies> but anal as to bum not striking anything
09:59:53 <StupidLikeAFox> or perhaps additude towards
10:00:33 <MrMobodies> cosenting to someone to punch me?
10:00:50 <MrMobodies> and if their nails were long it could cause more damage if it struck
10:01:05 <MrMobodies> but how can they assault my bum
10:01:09 <Glorfindel> how old are you
10:01:19 <MrMobodies> I suppose they could kick but no nails
10:01:21 <MrMobodies> me?
10:01:24 <Glorfindel> yes
10:01:28 <MrMobodies> 38
10:02:04 <Glorfindel> ok nm then lol
10:03:49 <MrMobodies> I am thinking of a lovely cup of tea
10:03:53 <MrMobodies> but the picked onions first
10:04:19 <MrMobodies> I find it makes the tea taste nicer and lighter
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10:55:38 <Nothing\> yaha
10:55:46 <Nothing\> and so on
10:57:26 <Nothing\> i collected a whole bunch of little magnetic particles in my backyard with a fairly sizeable stack of neodidlium magnets in a pill bottle
10:57:45 <Nothing\> i'm gonna sort through them with a microscope later and see if i can find micrometeorites
10:58:45 <Nothing\> i only "scanned" the brickwork of my patio with the magnet so i wouldn't pick up naturally occurring iron particles in the soil.
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11:21:00 <Erhard> Nothing\: That's kinda cool, actually!
11:21:08 <Erhard> The micro meteorites
11:40:27 <Nothing\> yeah i thought it was a cool sounding experiment. Apparently the micrometeorites are supposed to be rounded.
11:40:55 <Nothing\> i'm not even using an expensive microscope. Just a $10 pocket microscope from amazon.
11:41:27 <Nothing\> it's nice because it illuminates from above, instead of below. So I can get some nice pictures of integrated circuits.
11:41:49 <Nothing\> just put the phone's camera right up against the microscope
11:44:32 <DHess_US> Nothing\ soon, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OcRPTqsJO7w&t=11s
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15:47:38 <Nothing\> DHess_US, lol maybe when i find a suitable spot to grow bacterial cultures
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16:05:17 <steve30> my web host isn't very reliable this morning
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16:36:32 <Zsjoelfir> morningses!
16:36:58 <steve30> hi
16:37:06 * Zsjoelfir huggles steve30
17:01:28 * steve30 purrs
17:29:50 * Halcyon shaves steve30
17:30:50 <Halcyon> https://i.pinimg.com/originals/45/1d/49/451d49561365a3b957d09a7384880f2f.jpg
17:30:58 <Halcyon> Heheheh looks like a loaf of sourdough
17:31:26 <steve30> hmmmm
17:42:30 <K> hello thymes
17:43:32 <K> The exprssion on cats face - "Look how they've massacred your boy..."
17:43:50 <Zsjoelfir> lol, that cat :d
17:43:59 <Zsjoelfir> also, hi Bay Leaf!
17:45:17 * steve30 meows at the empty coffee cup
17:45:33 <K> what happened to the coffee, steve30 ?
17:45:55 <steve30> i drunk some earlier, but i need another one
17:48:02 <K> then i suggest you meow harder, it is bound to fill up, i am sure of it!
17:49:03 <steve30> Can anyone recommend any web hosts?
17:49:17 <steve30> (or possibly VPS hosts)
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17:55:54 <Halcyon> Amazons?
17:58:34 * steve30 wonders if his parcel will come today
18:01:54 <Halcyon> What did you order steve30 ?
18:01:59 <Halcyon> Or dare I ask?
18:03:07 <steve30> a Sony RM-95 remote control
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18:28:24 <steve30> Looks like my current annual hosting bill is still $66 per year, but the current price for my package is $9.68/month, so I wonder if I'm still stuck on some old system.
18:29:06 <K> do you care?
18:29:14 <K> if it works good enough
18:29:30 <K> $66 per yer seems like a good price
18:30:28 <steve30> its a reasonable price
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18:45:13 <Halcyon> What are you hosting steve30 ?
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18:51:39 <steve30> stevecoates.net
18:51:50 <steve30> but it does email too
18:51:58 <Halcyon> Ah right
19:07:17 <T3sl4> think mine is less, but that's domain + email, i'm self hosted
19:08:29 <K> brave men here, hosting their own email
19:08:34 * K salutes
19:09:53 <T3sl4> i should say, web self-hosted, domain and email are paid
19:11:11 <steve30> my domain was £34.79 for 2 years when i renewed earlier this year
19:11:52 <T3sl4> about right
19:12:31 <T3sl4> a bit on the high side? but that might just be local differences (tax?) or you're getting that with services
19:12:55 <steve30> Just on its own for a .net
19:12:57 <T3sl4> think i'd be surprised if it's also that your domain is simply worth more :P
19:12:58 <steve30> bit high tbh
19:13:22 <steve30> I registered it in 2007 and haven't shopped around at all since then
19:13:47 <T3sl4> also i forget if .nets are more, but i don't think so?
19:14:23 <steve30> Its more than a .co.uk
19:14:31 <steve30> about the same as a .com
19:14:56 <Halcyon> I can check my wholesale pricing if you like Steve?
19:15:09 <Halcyon> Although with conversion it might not matter much
19:16:03 <steve30> feel free to have a look
19:17:58 <steve30> hmm, my domain provider (LCN) do a VPS from £9.90/month which looks decent.
19:18:22 <DogWomble> i use ovh for the one vps i currently have, they seem alright
19:18:34 <DogWomble> use a local web host for pretty much everythign else i need
19:20:05 <Halcyon> .net costs me AUD$14.35/yr
19:23:36 <steve30> for some reason they charge 23% VAT for a VPS
19:24:22 <K> gub'mint takein your monies!
19:24:47 <Halcyon> Mmmm mints
19:28:14 <DogWomble> yummy yummy mints
19:33:50 <steve30> Does anyone here remember the "Domain Renewals Group" scammers?
19:54:58 <Halcyon> Can't say I do?
19:57:45 <Halcyon> What were they about?
19:59:11 <steve30> They'd send a letter which looks like a bill to the person in the domain's WHOIS record when its due to expire, in the hope that the person would think it was a bill from their current registrar and transfer the domain to DRG at a heavily inflated price.
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20:00:48 <Halcyon> T3sl4
20:00:50 <Halcyon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hx6MoxnUQgY
20:01:29 <steve30> http://domainincite.com/images/domainrenewalgroup.png
20:01:33 <T3sl4> stupid birb
20:02:40 <Halcyon> I mean to be fair to them.... if you fail to read what they send you and sign your life away, it's hardly a scam
20:03:21 <Halcyon> They tell you plain and clear you are not obliged to do anything nor is that a bill ?
20:03:25 <steve30> I heard that in a lot of cases they didn't even bother to do the transfer, or did it wrong and severly screwed up, hence it being called a scam
20:04:18 <Halcyon> Well incompetence is an entirely different thing
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20:38:35 <Halcyon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXIRpt4rjfo
20:38:52 <Halcyon> I am now convinced with shit like this, the human race is already fucked
20:39:16 <Halcyon> Screw climate change, people like this will fuck society well before that
20:42:49 <Lord_of_nothing> Hi
20:42:50 <Lord_of_nothing> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTrXIlB1RbA
20:43:14 <Halcyon> Thank you Lord_of_nothing
20:43:24 <Halcyon> Something that requires actual talent
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23:33:38 <Lord_of_nothing> http://www.nuo7.at/#List_25
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23:40:50 <Ampera> what the fuck sort of website is that
23:40:57 <Ampera> it needs TLS >:/
23:44:51 <electrohead> technically, it doesn't *need* TLS
23:45:07 <Zsjoelfir> oy guys
23:45:09 <Zsjoelfir> question
23:45:17 <Zsjoelfir> If I may
23:46:19 <Ampera> you can
23:46:20 * electrohead pokes Zsjoelfir
23:46:22 <Ampera> but I don't know if you may
23:46:35 <Zsjoelfir> :P
23:47:01 <Ampera> electrohead, everything needs TLS. Even TLS needs TLS.
23:47:40 <Zsjoelfir> Is it ok to write "Please find them as follows" if I want to refer to some answers I got from a workmate in a mail I am forwarding to someone else? It somehow feels wrong to me to write it like that.
23:48:01 <Zsjoelfir> would that be [TLS]^2?
23:48:05 <Ampera> "Please find them as follows" is a bit stilted
23:48:19 <Ampera> but without better context I'm not sure how to offer an alternative
23:48:49 <Zsjoelfir> Its probably ok anyways, as I am communicating with chinese manufacturers, but still.
23:49:36 <electrohead> Oh, well in that case, say it like that
23:49:52 <electrohead> It'll probably be better english than theirs, that's for sure lol
23:52:20 <Zsjoelfir> its actually not THAT bad. at least with the people I talk to, you can most of the time understand what they want from you
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23:54:46 <electrohead> well most chinese documentation I have read, is definitely .. interesting
23:54:48 <K> money, they want money.
23:55:55 <Zsjoelfir> hehe^^
23:55:58 <Zsjoelfir> thats true
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