// #eevblog — 2021-08-21
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00:04:24 * T3sl4 likes Ampera, puts a bagel on it
00:05:32 * Ampera creams cheese all over T3sl4's bagel
00:05:44 * T3sl4 lox Ampera in the slammer
00:05:56 * Ampera smokes T3sl4 cold
00:06:28 * T3sl4 milks Ampera, ferments it
00:07:23 * Ampera takes T3sl4 and his kefir and shoves them up a heifer
00:08:06 <Ampera> My forehead appears to be breaking out in hives. That's nice.
00:08:36 <Ampera> I think it may be some time for benadryl
00:09:06 <Ampera> This has happened once or twice, but the cause is somewhat inexplicable.
00:09:25 <Ampera> The last time I thought it was because I had been burning trees that happened to be covered in mosquito repellent
00:09:37 <Ampera> but I haven't happened to have burned any trees recently so
00:09:52 <Ampera> only other thing I can think is it's irritation from sweat and wiping my forehead
00:10:01 <EEVBot> [Twitter] - eevblog - It has progressed: https://t.co/7jYO3sf4a6
00:18:42 <EEVBot> [Twitter] - eevblog - Cardano going gangbusters. Wouldn't surprise me to see it give Ethereum a run for it's tokens in market cap. https://t.co/GwzLMcOykb
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00:32:50 <Nothing> so have you freeloaders donated to wikipedia yet?
00:33:48 <Nothing> i finally decided to send them a few bucks. I figure I've learned who knows how much info from them. They're usually my primary entrance to the rabbit holes of information, and i've been using it for over 15 years. I figured $3 was the least I could toss them for all of that.
00:33:56 <Nothing> woulda given more but all I had was $5
00:34:31 <Nothing> maybe i'll set up a subscription service. You can set it up to take like $2 out of your account every month. Which isn't bad at all.
00:34:53 <Nothing> and according to their spiel, only 2% of readers actually donate. Which if true, is a depressingly low number.
00:35:30 <Nothing> but I can see why. When I saw the most recent donation drive notification my first reaction was "ugh, again?" but as i got reading it my icy heart melted and i changed my mind
00:35:45 <Nothing> i almost ignored it outright like i normally do
00:41:03 <K> i will consider it.
00:43:24 <Nothing> that's all i ask
00:44:09 <Nothing> but yeah, the lowest amount's $2.75, which after the service charge that i agreed to pay for as well, came to $3.10
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00:45:15 <Nothing> and after that, i think i'm gonna donate to unicef or something too when i have more money
00:45:30 <Nothing> i was wanting to donate to a good cause that's actually kind of urgent
00:46:07 <Nothing> rather than giving questionable homeless people on street corners a $20 when i see them
00:46:26 <Nothing> cuz i've been noticing they all seem to have the exact same sign with the exact same words, verbatim on them
00:46:32 <Nothing> so it's clearly some sort of a racket
00:46:54 <Nothing> and pan handlers can make damn good money. up to $100 an hour on a good day
00:46:57 <Nothing> sometimes more
00:48:41 <Nothing> it's funny, i remember when I was 13 my class took a trip to toronto to see phantom of the opera in pantages theatre and we saw a homeless guy and thought it was such an interesting novelty. We all give him a bit of change just for the fun of the experience more than anything else. Cuz none of us had ever seen a homeless person before.
00:49:18 <Nothing> Now there are literally hundreds of them here. They had a whole shanty town set up a couple of years ago until the property owner burned it to the ground
00:51:42 <K> i do not have concrete opinion on giving money to homeless
00:52:16 <K> sometimes i tip street musicians, but that is different, i guess
00:56:04 <Ampera> I donate to Wikipedia every so often
00:58:31 <Nothing> Ampera, good on you, man
00:58:40 <Nothing> yeah i think i am gonna get a subscription to donate to them
00:58:44 <Nothing> i mean, what's $2 a month
00:58:57 <Nothing> if they were like "it's only the cost of a cup of coffee a day"
00:59:05 <Nothing> i'd tell em to piss off
00:59:34 <Nothing> i hate that logic, a cup of coffee a day works out to almost $1,000 a year
00:59:53 <Nothing> which for someone who doesn't even get $20k is a shitton of money
01:00:25 <Nothing> how bout that sally struthers comes over here and gives me some of that money, and a little something else if you know what i mean
01:00:30 <Nothing> bow chicka bowow
01:01:06 <Nothing> and lets reanimate janet reno too, i wouldn't mind rimming her raw
01:01:09 <Nothing> mmm
01:01:26 <Nothing> i bet she tastes like a retirement home and ribbon candy
01:01:55 <Nothing> actually, that'd probably be betty white.... oh man i'm getting kinda flustered here
01:01:58 * Nothing fans himself
01:02:24 <Nothing> oh yeah, i'd hug you Ampera but uhh
01:02:28 <Nothing> you know
01:02:46 <Nothing> betty white
01:08:04 <Nothing> whoa
01:08:23 <Nothing> i dunno if this works in other OS's but try ctrl+w in windows
01:08:56 <Nothing> oh nm this thing lied to me
01:09:20 <Nothing> ctrl+w is supposed to be equivalent to alt+F4
01:47:27 <hsn> Yes
01:50:20 <jaymax> No. ctrl+w is supposed to be equivalent to ctrl+F4
01:51:26 <jaymax> Closes the "document" within an application, not the entire application (unless that was the last "document" open - depending on application behaviour).
02:22:20 <Nothing> ahh i see
02:22:34 <Nothing> lol i just tried making sodium carbonate by heating baking soda
02:22:47 <Nothing> i left it for no more than a minute with my (plastic) mixing spoon in it
02:23:07 <Nothing> i come back and half of the spoon is missing and the carbonate has all sorts of black chunks in it
02:23:42 <Nothing> but man that was uncomfortable, the little co2 geysers were flinging powder all up into the air. it got all up my nose and in my eyes
02:24:55 <Nothing> it smells like chlorine in here now
02:35:33 <rust_collector> nice!
02:48:24 <T3sl4> it smells like beeping in here. seems the neighbors are finally getting their old maple tree removed
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03:44:05 <Nothing> man, wtf is this shit
03:44:07 <Nothing> https://www.amazon.ca/Soda-4Pk-Club-Pack-6/dp/B005Z6LHMO/ref=dp_prsubs_1?pd_rd_i=B005Z6LHMO&psc=1
03:44:08 <EEVBot> [Title] - Amazon.ca Something Went Wrong / Quelque chose s'est mal passé
03:44:19 <Nothing> $70 for a 4 pack of club soda
03:44:23 <Nothing> $132 originally
03:44:38 <Nothing> must be nice to be in that sorta racket
03:45:50 <Nothing> although i'd imagine the high price driving sales down probably causes them to have about equal profits to a regular soda company
03:45:53 <Nothing> if any
03:49:35 <Lord_of_nothing> Hi
03:49:40 <Lord_of_nothing> What is a "date night"?
04:02:11 <Lord_of_nothing> 哈哈
04:24:57 <Nothing> i'd imagine it's a night in which you eat lots of dates
04:26:40 <rust_collector> very common in places like bahrain
04:26:47 <Nothing> really though, some couples have it where they're too busy or whatever to have spontaneous dates so they'll have a "date night" when they plan to go out on a date on a specific day each week or onth
04:30:45 <Nothing> okay i think i need a nap
04:30:47 <Nothing> nighty night
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05:21:07 <Lord_of_nothing> cool
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05:43:07 * electrohead waves
05:43:45 <steve30> i should get some food
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07:02:05 <steve30> i'm just watching the IT Crowd. I'm just wondering, would it be considered politically incorrect these days?
07:06:14 * electrohead politically corrects steve30
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08:16:49 * Ampera hugs Halcyon
08:16:51 * Ampera runs
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08:28:28 <Halcyon> Hah
08:28:28 <Ampera> how are you doing Halcyon
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09:00:14 <Halcyon> Morning all
09:00:48 * electrohead fondles Halcyon and runs away
09:01:05 <Halcyon> Hahahaha tease
09:01:15 <+electrohead> No, you're a towel!
09:42:04 <Halcyon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBtETkJeqmY
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09:42:05 <Halcyon> Hah
09:44:21 <steve30> I watched that earlier, it looks nice :)
09:44:31 <Halcyon> Not sure what you'd use it for though
09:44:33 <steve30> Although it would be a bit too big to fit in my SFF case
09:45:32 <+electrohead> that's what she said
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09:56:27 <Nothing> https://www.amazon.ca/Soda-4Pk-Club-Pack-6/dp/B005Z6LHMO/ref=dp_prsubs_1?pd_rd_i=B005Z6LHMO&psc=1
09:56:27 <EEVBot> [Title] - Amazon.ca Something Went Wrong / Quelque chose s'est mal passé
09:56:31 <Nothing> should i buy this?
09:57:13 <Nothing> but see, this just goes to show you that NileRed COULD sell his diamond carbonated water on the market
09:57:41 <Nothing> i'm not sure how much it costs him to make, i'm sure he mentions the cost and yield in his video
09:57:55 <Nothing> i don't remember him using much diamond though
09:58:13 <Nothing> and for the commercial product, you could just use synthetic industrial diamonds and just neglect to mention that part
09:58:21 <Nothing> cuz carbon's carbon
09:58:59 <Nothing> You know i'd actually like to see NileRed make carbonated water out of coal
09:59:29 <Nothing> i bet it'd taste so awful from the sulfur and contaminants. If it's even drinkable without poisoning you.
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10:20:28 <Nothing> wow, the government's forcing all federal employees to get vaccinated
10:20:50 <Nothing> Doug Ford already kicked one of his MPPs out of the PC party because he said he wouldn't get it
10:21:36 <Nothing> there are also a bunch of provinces forcing retirement home workers to get vaccinated, 8 post secondary schools, and I think some other things that I can't recall
10:21:50 <Nothing> but either way, even I'm uncomfortable with that
10:22:08 * electrohead vaccinates Nothing with spicy curry
10:22:10 <Nothing> even though i agree people should get vaccinated, it's a clear violation of our charter rights
10:22:15 <Nothing> mmm curry
10:22:22 <+electrohead> :p
10:22:23 <+electrohead> hey mate
10:22:30 <Nothing> hey how's it going?
10:24:49 <+electrohead> better now that you're around, seeing that you have the curry strain in your blood stream
10:24:50 <+electrohead> lol
10:28:10 <Nothing> hehe
10:52:36 <+electrohead> what you up to?
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12:00:50 <DHess_US> https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2021/08/20/bc18fdb73b17cc57.mp4
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12:17:05 * Halcyon throws chicken chipees at electrohead
12:42:16 <Halcyon> T3sl4: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xb2J7jD0QV0
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12:53:13 * Ampera stabs Halcyon
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12:53:27 * Ampera machetes Halcyon
12:53:42 * Ampera fire axes Halcyon
12:53:48 <Halcyon> Morning to you too Ampera
12:53:57 <Ampera> it's not morning
12:54:05 <Halcyon> I know
12:54:09 <Ampera> your clock is wrong
12:54:18 <Ampera> stop being wrong
12:54:49 <Halcyon> The 1 time ever
12:55:21 <Ampera> you are wronger than an elvis sandwich
12:56:41 <Halcyon> What's an elvis sandwich?
12:57:20 <Ampera> peanut butter, banana, and bacon
12:57:27 <Halcyon> *vom*
12:58:24 <Ampera> how is your brid
12:58:33 <Halcyon> Noisy
12:59:04 <Ampera> my face seems to have somewhat stopped breaking out in hives
12:59:24 <Ampera> much of my forehead is probably gonna start peeling
12:59:50 <Halcyon> Fun
13:00:02 <Ampera> no you
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13:09:07 <Halcyon_> Stupid thing
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13:19:27 <steve30> i went out on the bike
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13:24:10 <steve30> i have to go back out again in a couple of hours for shopping
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13:45:44 <Halcyon> Bring back something good steve30
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14:11:43 <steve30> on second thoughts, i might save the shopping till monday
14:17:02 <Halcyon> What if you do 8 hours of work?
14:17:02 <Halcyon> You'd be rich!
14:17:02 <jaymax> Seems like that ad got unlocked a few months early. Meant to say ten cents as of present.
14:17:02 <steve30> i think i'll go to bed soon
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14:36:46 <steve30> Sagan is growing up
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15:35:37 <Halcyon> steve30: Exactly how it should be
15:35:38 <Halcyon> Hahaha
15:37:46 * T3sl4 flicks cherries at Halcyon
15:37:50 <Halcyon> \o/
15:39:53 <Halcyon> Had a lazy day today
15:39:54 <Halcyon> It was nice
15:43:11 <steve30> I wonder if Dave would be allowed in a 'vaccinated only' bar
15:43:42 <Halcyon> Dave isn't an anti-vaxxer
15:43:49 <Erhard> Is he not vaccinated?
15:43:58 <Halcyon> I'm not sure, but he supports vaccination
15:44:10 <steve30> I asked him on the forum and he declined to comment :)
15:44:11 <Erhard> Is it readily available there for him yet?
15:44:17 <Erhard> LOL
15:45:19 <Erhard> Smart people are indeed more likely to Dunning Kruger themselves on other topics that they are less familiar with.
15:45:43 <Erhard> Not saying Dave is doing this (or anyone for that matter), but it is common for smart people.
15:46:19 <Halcyon> Erhard, I believe it is
15:46:30 <Halcyon> I got mine at the beginning of the year so I haven't really been following it
15:46:53 <Erhard> Cool. Yeah I got mine a long time ago as well in the US
15:47:19 <Halcyon> I think ages 16 and over can now get it
15:47:26 <Erhard> Cool.
15:47:50 <Erhard> I think we are down to twelve now, but since my son is at uni I don't pay close attention
15:47:53 <Halcyon> Although everyones clambering over each other to get it so to get an appointment anytime soon, unless you're in a priority category, can be difficult
15:48:33 <Halcyon> Over 50k doses were administered in my state in the last 24 hours.
15:48:37 <Erhard> Yeah, it was like that here a while ago. I got mine a hint earlier than normal to to working in critical IT infrastructure
15:48:54 <steve30> I should go to bed now
15:48:56 <Erhard> Here we just have a lot of holdouts.
15:48:58 <Halcyon> Which is good. We're almost at 60% for first dose
15:49:03 <Erhard> Nice
15:49:05 <steve30> Hopefully I will sleep well. I haven't slept very good at all this week.
15:49:12 * Erhard waves at steve30
15:49:19 <Halcyon> Thankfully we don't have too many. Most people are just in that "lazy" category and will "get around to it".
15:49:38 <Halcyon> But as soon as they start lifting restrictions, you can bet that will get a rocket up people
15:49:49 <Erhard> I know a lot of people I would consider quite smart eschewing it here.
15:50:14 <Erhard> Poor choice if you ask me.
15:52:07 <Halcyon> The protestors here make me laugh though, particularly the clowns in Melbourne. It's as a direct result of their actions that restrictions are tightened and legal action gets taken against them.
15:52:22 <Halcyon> They are like the child you tell not to do something, then they do it anyway and get smacked and cry about it.
15:53:01 <Halcyon> Anyway, watching Idiocrasy last night made me feel better... or worse... not sure which one yet :P
15:54:58 <Erhard> Sad about the human race
15:55:04 <Halcyon> Indeed
15:55:14 <Halcyon> I think we're just getting there a lot quicker compared to the movie
15:55:24 <Erhard> The pandemic really lowered my faith in humanity
15:55:35 <Erhard> Everything goes to Lord of the Flies instantly
15:56:31 <Halcyon> People keep bitching and moaning about some inconvinences, but realistically, most people here are living pretty normal lives. They should be happy there is a vaccine and an extremely good chance that the vast majority of people can continue to live normal lives.
15:56:43 <Halcyon> I'm sure they would have loved that in past pandemics.
15:58:06 <Halcyon> Anyway
15:58:24 <Halcyon> Some people just can't be educated. I'm just thankful that I'm smarter than they are.
15:58:43 <Erhard> Or is it Dunning Kruger? ;-)
15:58:57 <Erhard> I certainly feel as you.
15:59:10 <Halcyon> Hahaha, well, I have both my vaccines and I'm not out there protesting or bitching about wearing a mask... so *shrug*
15:59:49 <Halcyon> If they brought in a law that said all vaccinated people had to wear a jesters hat with bells, I'd gladly do it.
15:59:50 <Erhard> Same here, and I *like* conspiracy theories... But I also lke science
16:01:33 <Halcyon> I like reading about conspiracy theories but from the perspective of human behavior and psychology. It's facinating how people can delude themselves to such a degree where they literally are living in a fantasy world but walk among us. It's not too dissimilar to people who have mental health conditions that cause them to hallucinate.
16:03:00 <T3sl4> everyone lives in their own bubble of reality, only infrequently touched by others' bubbles
16:04:25 <Halcyon> Sure, but it depends on how transparent your bubble is
16:04:35 <Halcyon> Some people see the world for what it is
16:07:36 <Erhard> T3sl4: Interesting observation.
16:09:01 <T3sl4> i wouldn't say anyone ever does. i have my own little bubble, the parts of it i'm conscious of, i've worked to be fairly real, but that leaves plenty of dusty corners that simply haven't brushed against anyone else's
16:10:02 <T3sl4> some people have very permeable bubbles, or very well inspected ones, but so nonetheless
16:10:04 <Halcyon> You seem to be fairly level-headed T3sl4
16:10:31 <Halcyon> Not much seems to bother you, which seems to be a fairly common trait for people who are open to ideas that differ with their own.
16:10:43 <Erhard> That's just in your bubble, Halcyon
16:10:51 <Halcyon> :P
16:10:56 <Erhard> ;-)
16:11:07 <Halcyon> There's enough room in here for a few more?
16:11:07 <T3sl4> perhaps you're just not aware of how little your bubble overlaps with mine? ;)
16:11:17 <Erhard> Yeah, it's good to be open to new ideas to have a scout mindset.
16:11:29 <Halcyon> Absolutely
16:11:37 <Erhard> Julia Galef's book The Scout Mindset is all about that.
16:12:06 <Erhard> I think it helped me be more conscious of keeping an open mind. I hav been avoid echo chambers for decades, though.
16:12:19 <Erhard> I like friends I disagree with
16:12:23 <Halcyon> I strongly believe that making mistakes and being wrong once in a while is good, it means you're that little bit smarter. People who argue black and blue about something frustrate me.
16:12:37 <Erhard> So many people these days have litmus tests for friendship.
16:13:13 <Erhard> Oh, I love to argue. I even love to argue points I disagree with. People need to understand the difference ebwteen logic and feelings.
16:13:37 <Halcyon> Oh so do I. But I also recognise when I'm talking to a wall and just call it quits then and there.
16:13:56 <Halcyon> You cannot educate those who don't want to be educated.
16:13:58 <T3sl4> i had the experience a few weeks ago of starting up a conversation with a woman at the pub; i couldn't quote it word-for-word anymore but what struck me about it is how easy it was 1. for her to, in effect, ask a probe question, and 2. for me to nod and volunteer the correct answer
16:14:13 <Erhard> Halcyon: Yes, sometimes I run into that.
16:14:21 <T3sl4> not that that's necessarily or even consciously the purpose of such an interaction, but that it can be interpreted that way
16:14:47 <T3sl4> (the subject being political current events, and ones opinion of them; she was obviously of the liberal persuasion)
16:14:56 <Erhard> Probe question in what way? LIke to find out your secrets or to flirt?
16:15:11 <Erhard> I see. like a hot button topic?
16:15:40 <Erhard> So she could have a boolean response to wether or not to talk further?
16:16:07 <Halcyon> We don't have such a hard "liberal" vs "labor" (sic) divide here. Most people swing vote and have their foot in multiple camps.
16:16:16 <Halcyon> Unfortunately it makes picking one over another a bit harder.
16:16:34 <Halcyon> Unless you're a crazy greens voter, most people don't give a crap who you vote for.
16:16:37 <T3sl4> the thing is, it's manifestly /true/ that the previous administration here is ten kinds of criminal, so it's easy to agree with criticism; it was the offhand automatic agreement that makes me think
16:17:41 <T3sl4> Erhard: i doubt like that, just that these sorts of questions serve to gauge someones' opinion relative to ones' own opinions; whether that means a stop to conversation, likely depends on a cluster of responses, or overall vibe
16:18:04 <Erhard> Interesting, Halcyon . In the US it has become very divided. I try not to let on my beliefs, because they are frankly in the middle of both parties with overlap
16:18:29 <Erhard> T3sl4: I see. yeah... Lots of that these days.
16:18:39 <Halcyon> I have no idea who my closest friends and family even voted for
16:18:46 <Halcyon> That's how much of a non-issue it is
16:18:47 <Erhard> I could see how if you were tired at a bar drinking alone you might an echo chamber not an argument
16:18:56 <Erhard> Must be nice, Halcyon
16:18:56 <T3sl4> i try to never agree offhandedly with some opinion or conclusion, and i realized after that moment, that i just allowed such to happen
16:19:16 <Halcyon> It's just not important Erhard, every party has it's positives and negatives.
16:19:27 <Halcyon> Why argue symantics?
16:19:28 <Erhard> Yeah, people here don't realize that
16:19:35 <Erhard> PLus we only have the 2 really.
16:19:37 <Halcyon> It ultimately comes down to ones personal opinion anyway
16:19:52 <T3sl4> it probably doesn't matter because this area is largely liberal anyway, and i expect either tribal responses (which i think this was more along the lines of) or somewhere between libertarian or leftist reasoning
16:20:18 <Erhard> I voted for the independent, not because I liked her specifically, but because if she got 4% of the vote then they would to include that libertarian party in the debates next time.
16:20:22 <Erhard> She did not get that much
16:20:23 <T3sl4> true fact, a past bartender at that location is a self avowed anarchist
16:20:59 <T3sl4> not radical, but definitely left
16:21:24 <T3sl4> it's a shame those ideas are pretty much never ever going to be tried anywhere... but the perspective is cool
16:21:25 <Halcyon> I personally believe there is no "wrong" way to vote. What annoys me are people who are critical of someone elses choices and trys to sway them to their way of thinking.
16:22:22 <Halcyon> And I've voted for "both sides" depends on what my personal priorities are at the time and what I believe is best for the community at the time.
16:22:44 <Erhard> Same here. I have voted for three different parties in the past four years alone
16:22:46 <Halcyon> For example, the first party that says they'll rip up all the shitty copper in the ground and replace it with fibre will get my next vote.
16:22:55 <Erhard> Hahah!
16:23:25 <T3sl4> single issue voter! you're the problem!
16:23:27 <Halcyon> I'm not expecting it for free even. I would be happy to contribute a few thousand dollars of my own money to get it done
16:23:29 <T3sl4> /s
16:23:58 <Halcyon> :P
16:24:38 <T3sl4> oh, had another observation recently
16:24:55 <Halcyon> Well I can't really think of much else that needs improving? The schools are good, roads and public transport are good. Medical system is stressed but for the most part good.
16:25:02 <Halcyon> More ambos and police is always a good thing.
16:25:26 <Erhard> Are your police armed?
16:25:30 <Halcyon> Yes
16:25:33 <Erhard> LIke for traffic stops and such
16:25:40 <Erhard> Do they shoot a lot of people ?
16:25:40 <Halcyon> Every police officer carries a firearm
16:25:53 <Halcyon> In 13 years in the job, I've never shot anyone
16:25:59 <Erhard> Too much of that here.
16:26:00 <Halcyon> I've had my firearm out, maybe 5 times?
16:26:05 <Erhard> I see.
16:26:08 <T3sl4> conservative "single issue voters" vote FOR a candidate, because they support some particular issue (e.g. banning abortion); i suppose liberal "single issue voters" might vote AGAINST a candidate, because they support some particular issue (e.g. racist)
16:26:10 <Erhard> Body cameras?
16:26:13 <Halcyon> Yep
16:26:18 <Erhard> Good
16:26:19 <Halcyon> And Taser cameras
16:26:23 <Erhard> Cool.
16:26:37 <Halcyon> I assume you're in the US Erhard ?
16:26:39 <T3sl4> they're better trained that US cops
16:26:42 <Erhard> Yes.
16:26:46 <T3sl4> not that that's hard to achieve
16:26:59 <Erhard> Cops here are terrible shots.
16:27:33 <Erhard> I just think they need more de-escalation training here.
16:27:37 <Halcyon> This is the thing that facinates me Erhard about our police vs yours. We have 2 levels of police, state and federal. That's it. We don't have county police, security guards (mostly) are unarmed, there are no "school police", none of that nonsense.
16:27:40 <Erhard> And more use of tasers.
16:27:48 <Halcyon> Also, to be a police officer here, you need a university degree
16:27:57 <Erhard> MOst hee have one
16:28:04 <Erhard> At least younger ones.
16:28:24 <Halcyon> It's mandatory, you don't pass your probation without one.
16:28:34 <Erhard> A good friend of mine is a cop here. Got a criminal justice four year degree
16:28:43 <Halcyon> And generally, they won't take people straight out of school, they want you to have life experience, even if it's just volunteer work, first.
16:28:49 <Erhard> Not sure about here, probably depends on the department.
16:28:57 <Erhard> That is good
16:29:09 <Erhard> Do you have police unions there?
16:29:21 <Erhard> Ours are quite strong, and I think a cause of a lot of issues.
16:29:29 <Erhard> issues bad for the public.
16:29:33 <Halcyon> Yes we do, but it makes no difference whether you're a member or not (I'm not). Everyone gets the same pay and same benefits.
16:29:42 <Erhard> Cool.
16:30:10 <Erhard> Do you have qualified immunity? Because that is somehting I think is flat out wrong and has to go away here.
16:30:18 <Halcyon> As in?
16:31:04 <Erhard> A police officer violates your rights (like actual rights in the constitution) during the course of his or duties, but they know they are doing it. And they can't get in trouble. Can't be sued.
16:31:27 <Halcyon> Yes. So you cannot personally sue a police officer here. You can sue the organisation.
16:31:52 <Erhard> I see. I think you should be able to sue both if they knowing violate your rights.
16:31:54 <Halcyon> However this is where I see a vast difference, abuse of power is rare. We go through so many checks, balances and audits.
16:31:55 <Erhard> Common man law.
16:32:14 <Erhard> It is actually farily rare here, but it does happen.
16:32:25 <Erhard> Most cops here are good.
16:32:34 <Erhard> The mdeia blows it out of proportion.
16:32:36 <Halcyon> I disagree Erhard. Someone shouldn't be sued by simply doing their job, especially since most of people who do the suing here are absolute fucking nutjobs.
16:32:54 <Halcyon> By all means, if someone fucks up, take action or if it's serious enough, charge and/or dismiss them.
16:33:05 <Erhard> Not for doing your job, for NOT doing your job, like violating laws you know or rights you know.
16:33:19 <Erhard> Here they have to swear an oath to uphold the constitution.
16:33:35 <Halcyon> Sure. Even in a police officer here acts maliciously, you cannot sue them.
16:33:40 <Halcyon> But it's a system that works (here)
16:33:51 <Erhard> That is the part I take umbrage with
16:33:53 <Halcyon> You might think I'm biased, but that's fine.
16:34:10 <Erhard> I think they should in fact be held to a higher standard of conduct than the common man
16:34:27 <Halcyon> I will follow that up with, that doesn't mean they get away with it. Complaints are dealt with rather seriously and harshly. Almost to the point of rediculously so. But it keeps us honest.
16:34:29 <Erhard> They are supposed to know and understand the laws.
16:34:37 <Halcyon> The bad ones get caught out pretty quickly
16:34:43 <Erhard> That is good.
16:34:56 <Halcyon> There is also a culture of "If you don't report something, you get into trouble too if you're found out"
16:34:58 <Erhard> Same here, but there are a lot of stories of the bad apples.
16:35:19 <T3sl4> "we investigated ourselves and found no fault" is not just a meme here
16:35:48 <Halcyon> We have independant anti-corruption bodies which look into serious breaches.
16:36:12 <Halcyon> They aren't called the "toe cutters" for nothing
16:36:37 <T3sl4> we've had calls for that, i don't know if any have been created yet
16:36:48 <Erhard> T3sl4: Where are you?
16:36:53 <T3sl4> US
16:37:00 <Erhard> k
16:37:14 <Halcyon> We had the Police Integrity Commission since 1996 which came about following a royal commission.
16:37:26 <Halcyon> They are now known as the Law Enforcement Conduct Commission
16:37:36 <Halcyon> You do NOT want to be interviewed by them
16:39:50 <Halcyon> In relation to checks and balances, it works for both sides. Whilst police here have the power to stop any motorist for a random breath/drug test, the reverse is also true. Some days I turn up at work and the entire office is tested.
16:40:07 <Halcyon> There is also overt and covert targeted testing for police who are suspected of being dodgy.
16:40:12 <Erhard> That is good.
16:40:18 <Erhard> Is pot legal there?
16:40:22 <Halcyon> No
16:40:23 <T3sl4> nice
16:40:28 <Erhard> Anywhere in AU?
16:41:12 <Halcyon> There were some laws changed in Canberra, mostly to appease the hippies, but logicially you still can't grow/cultivate it or purchase it. So *shrug*
16:41:17 <Halcyon> It's all pretty much blown over now.
16:41:31 <Halcyon> I think there are some allowances for medical use, but it's strictly controlled.
16:42:12 <Erhard> It's growing here... In general I am for fewer laws and legalization to avoid crime. But pot really is a gateway drug, and it is leading to a lot of people going to harder stuff
16:42:37 <Halcyon> I've seen the damage first hand, not only in my job but friends I went to school with.
16:42:48 <Erhard> In my state it is medical only, but if the ads on the radio are to be believed it is trivial to get a medical card online
16:42:56 <Erhard> Yeah, me too.
16:43:14 <Erhard> More from the harder stuff, but people getting into that because of pot.
16:43:29 <Halcyon> The law is pretty strict on drugs. For example, even if I went overseas to where it was legal, took something, returned home and work found out, I could be "recalled to duty" on my day off and tested.
16:43:36 <Erhard> Of course most people who smoke dope are drunk when they first do so. So alcohol is of course also a agteway
16:43:42 * Erhard shrugs
16:43:54 <Erhard> Transistor, di/dt
16:43:59 <Erhard> Just to stay on topic
16:44:46 <Halcyon> I drink, sometimes too much, but I grew up around alcohol. It wasn't taboo. My family is from around Scandinavia so a shot of vodka at Christmas or major event even by kids was the done thing.
16:45:07 <Erhard> Same here.
16:45:09 <Halcyon> I learned to respect it and when I over-did it, the handover was far worse than any punishment
16:45:21 <Erhard> No doubt.
16:45:32 * T3sl4 zaps Erhard
16:45:48 * Erhard jumps and hits his head on the ceiling
16:45:52 <Halcyon> I have also never taken illegal drugs in my life
16:45:56 <Halcyon> Nor do I intend so
16:45:57 <Halcyon> *to
16:45:59 <Erhard> Likewise
16:46:08 <T3sl4> once they're legalized, they're no longer illegal
16:46:20 <Halcyon> We'll deal with that if/when it happens
16:46:39 <Halcyon> But I just have no desire to put anything in my body from some dodgy person on the street.
16:47:12 <Halcyon> (and yes T3sl4, you can take that any way you like)
16:47:38 <T3sl4> lennyface
16:47:46 <Halcyon> Lennyface?
16:47:58 <T3sl4> ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
16:48:07 <Halcyon> Oh, I didn't know they had a name
16:48:15 <Halcyon> I thought that was just ASCII art
16:52:21 <Erhard> I gotta sleep. Have a good one.
16:52:37 <Halcyon> Later Erhard
16:52:37 <Erhard> What city are you in, Halcyon ?
16:52:40 <Halcyon> Sydney
16:52:46 <Erhard> OK. Dave is too, yes?
16:52:49 <Halcyon> Yes
16:52:52 <Erhard> k
16:53:21 <Erhard> YOu are what +11 there?
16:53:25 <Erhard> time
16:53:31 <Halcyon> Yes at the moment
16:53:36 <Halcyon> Oh wait no
16:53:38 <Halcyon> +10
16:53:42 <Erhard> Ah
16:53:52 <Erhard> OK. See you later.
16:53:53 <T3sl4> Halcyon: https://imgur.com/gallery/5KZdZPx
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16:53:57 <T3sl4> gn Erhard
16:53:58 <Erhard> -5 here
16:54:44 <Halcyon> I don't get it T3sl4 ?
16:55:05 <T3sl4> hit the audio button?
16:55:41 <Halcyon> Yeh
16:56:12 <Halcyon> Like is he a homo ?
16:56:16 <Halcyon> Is that the joke?
16:57:43 <T3sl4> doesn't have to be, all genders have ass
16:58:00 <Halcyon> True
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