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11:14 <Lord_of_nothing> HEy every one
12:46 <Ampera> Hello mr. eastlander
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11:51 <K> is there something wrong with me if i am considering buying a spool (30m) of ptfe single core isolated wire for 40eur ?
30:02 <Ampera> Not unless you are anticipating whatever you wire up is going to burst into flames
39:18 <K> pvc wiring is a bitch to solder, esp as a jumpers
44:57 <Ampera> I suppose that's a decent reason
48:08 <K> okay, you've convinced me.
48:29 <K> spool is prolly gonna last me decades
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50:03 <T3sl4> i'd look at one of the medium grade, whatever the usual stuff is on wirewrap wire, first, but if you want to splurge for PTFE that's fine
50:35 <T3sl4> K: can probably get the same stuff cheaper elsewhere, but if you're fine with paying that and it's a good supplier, that'll do
51:39 <K> alpha wire
51:54 <K> 30 or 28 AWG, have not decided yet
52:18 <T3sl4> or, and distributor i should say
52:19 <K> wirewrap wire melts too fast for my hands
52:37 <K> well, not the wire, insulation does
52:41 <T3sl4> your hands are too hot
52:46 <K> hawt
53:19 <K> okay
57:15 <T3sl4> oh, well damn, i have finally spotted some datura. someone's growing innoxia in a roadside (terrace) plot a few neighborhoods over :P
57:51 <DHess_US> Does it really? You can get 30 gauge wirewrap wire which has Kynar insulation for cheap, and in any color.
57:59 <DHess_US> And it is silver plated.
58:49 <DHess_US> Hmm, maybe mine is tin plated. It looks like silver
59:41 <T3sl4> i find kynar is quite manageable
02:54 <arch> wowza, so far -180mV undervolt on an i3-8100T, and no crashes on prime95 yet
03:01 <arch> reduced temps by a whopping 10C
03:26 * T3sl4 zaps arch
03:46 <arch> let me intentionally crash it. let me crank it down to -200mV, see if it crashes
04:07 <DHess_US> What is the full load operating temp?
04:31 <arch> right now it's at 66C with the undervolt; was 76C at stock vcore
04:36 <DHess_US> My Ryzen 3700X sits at 65C full load and I think it should be lower.
04:42 <arch> i am using this software: https://github.com/georgewhewell/undervolt
04:44 <EEVBot> [Title] - GitHub - georgewhewell/undervolt: Undervolt Intel CPUs under Linux
04:52 <arch> nah amd runs hot
05:01 <arch> also the stock cooler sucks ass
05:08 * T3sl4 cooks an egg on arch's P4
05:10 <arch> buy a cooler master hyper 212
05:14 <DHess_US> If I release the various limiations, then it runs hotter but I don't gain much.
05:27 <DHess_US> Yea, my older systems had Hyper 212s.
06:23 <arch> AWWW found the limit, it's at between -220mV and -200mV: https://i.imgur.com/poWOiJs.png
06:26 <DHess_US> This one has a Scythe Fuma 2 which should be better than a Hyper 212 but I think it is worse.
07:18 <arch> so to play it safe, what i'm gonna do is give myself a 33% tolerance from the point it crashes
07:29 <arch> heck, even with a -100mV undervolt, the temp diff is huuuge
07:34 <Ampera> I usually leave my chips at all defaults until I feel like overclocking
07:53 <arch> im actually UNDERvolting for this Thinkcentre Tiny M720P
07:57 <arch> it's gonna be my opnsense router
08:11 <arch> putting in a 4 port GBE intel card
08:19 <Ampera> I went to install opnsense a little while ago just to check it out
08:26 <Ampera> I stopped when I learned I could not install on ZFS
08:35 <arch> gimmick
08:40 <arch> ext4 or gtfo
08:43 <arch> or xfs
08:46 <arch> if you wanna be a hipster
08:47 <Ampera> ext4 is ancient
08:58 <arch> as long as it works...
09:09 <Ampera> I suppose so is XFS, but XFS is mostly ZFS without most of the stuff that makes ZFS awesome
09:25 <Ampera> My desktop is on ext4 and as soon as I stop being lazy I'm moving it to ZFS
09:38 <Ampera> there simply is very few situations where ZFS is not advantageous
09:53 <arch> let me plug in my wattmeter real quick
09:58 <arch> to see how much power i save
10:08 <Ampera> it makes the absolute nightmare of storage software stacks a manageable pleasure
11:54 <DHess_US> I'll get my wattmeter and make you look like a piker.
15:55 <DHess_US> 6 watts on my opnsense box.
16:08 <Ampera> nice
16:28 <Ampera> wait, opnsense doesn't have ARM options does it?
16:34 <Ampera> that some sort of atom?
17:05 <DHess_US> 4 x Intel i211AT gigabit ports, 4GB of ECC RAM
17:16 <DHess_US> https://www.pcengines.ch/apu4d4.htm
17:17 <EEVBot> [Title] - PC Engines apu4d4 product file
17:29 <DHess_US> And has amazing expandability.
17:40 <Ampera> That's impressively low power.
18:21 <DHess_US> Even has a SATA port besides the mSATA
18:42 <DHess_US> It's nice, but I wish opnsense worked. I haven't played with it.
18:48 <Ampera> I'm still waiting for the day that I stop being lazy and put together my ROCKPro64 as a replacement for my current router
18:50 <DHess_US> I need to update it and try again.
19:08 <DHess_US> My current router is an old Pentium4 Gateway ATM
20:03 <arch> ok so an undervolt of 100mV dropped power draw at the outlet by 7W
20:42 <DHess_US> kill-o-watt?
20:47 <arch> and at -200mV, total draw was reduced by 13W at the outlet
20:48 <DHess_US> What is the total power draw?
20:52 <arch> yess kill a watt meter
21:06 <arch> at stock voltage, was drawing 56W at the outlet
21:10 <DHess_US> haha, you reduced your power draw more than my APU2 draws in total.
21:10 <arch> under full load
21:21 <DHess_US> I should check full load.
21:28 <arch> get prime95 and run a blend test
21:43 <DHess_US> sec
21:54 <Ampera> No clue what my router takes, but my server takes over 1kW under full load
21:57 <arch> sooo let me crank down the voltage to -210mV and see if it crashes. it for sure crashed at -220mV
22:08 <arch> ahh yeap, it also errored out at -200mV
22:19 <arch> let me up it by 20mV and rerun
22:42 <arch> i will be back later
24:17 <DHess_US> Hmm, I thought there was a stress test built in.
24:43 <DHess_US> 8 watts running memtest on one core
35:56 <DHess_US> arch, I'd be using a full desktop for my new router build if I had a spare 64-bit one.
36:13 <arch> very wasteful electricity wise
36:23 <arch> and probably way overpowered too
36:29 <DHess_US> The APU2 that I bought was cheaper than any usable 64-bit system I could have built.
38:02 <DHess_US> I would have used some Ryzen processor and small ATX board. They have some pretty low power ones.
39:22 <Lord_of_nothing> WOW ZDFinfo HD have just one Topic Today! HITLER!
45:55 <Lord_of_nothing> its weird that the german tv channels are so obcessed with that topi
45:56 <Lord_of_nothing> c
46:09 <Ampera> yeah
46:17 <Ampera> it would make far more sense if it was all over the Austrian channels
46:31 <Ampera> that was your guys' fault
46:54 <Lord_of_nothing> who voted for him? The Germans...
47:03 <Ampera> but austrians are germans
47:04 <Ampera> checkmate
47:15 <Lord_of_nothing> no we are not...
47:54 <Ampera> You speak german, and were politically affiliated with the selection of German states around before the formation of the German Empire.
48:09 <Ampera> Austria was a direct political counterpart to Prussia as the rightful leader of the German peoples
48:59 <Lord_of_nothing> i speak austrian...
49:14 <Ampera> That's like saying I speak American.
49:29 <Lord_of_nothing> You ever heard about DE-AT?
50:18 <Ampera> That's interesting, the cc for austraia is .at, despite a not being anywhere in the German name for Austria
50:23 <Ampera> er, austria
50:45 <Ampera> You ever hear of en-US?
50:53 <Lord_of_nothing> Yes i do
51:11 <Ampera> that's funny, so if en = english, de = deutsch
51:50 <Lord_of_nothing> the language is de-at...
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52:11 <Lord_of_nothing> german use de-de
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52:32 <Lord_of_nothing> and ch-de for swiss german
52:47 <Ampera> that'd be de-ch
52:59 <Ampera> but thanks for admitting it is actually German
53:08 <Ampera> and that you know the difference between dialect and language
54:56 <Lord_of_nothing> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9e/Oesterreichisches_Woerterbuch_43._Auflage_Deckel.jpg
54:58 <EEVBot> [Title] - Wikimedia Error
57:36 <coppice> Swiss German is like German, but you have to watch what you say
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08:26 <Nothing\> man best buy sucks dick
08:33 <Nothing\> at least their geeksquad does anyways
08:48 <Nothing\> my mom took her new tablet there to see if they could open this stuck SD/SIM slot for us
09:03 <Nothing\> cuz it was broken and stuck in the tablet right out of the box
09:16 <Nothing\> the guy accused my mom of jamming something in and breaking it off
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09:34 <Nothing\> which if you did that, you'd think it would make it kind of hard to stick the pin in 3/4in
09:45 <Nothing\> either way i'm going back there with her later
10:08 <Nothing\> i'm gonna say they've got 3 options, either fix it in an effective manner, replace it as is their obligation per the consumer protection act
10:28 <Nothing\> or i sue them for breach of contract per said act and go to every media outlet i can think of
11:05 <Nothing\> and to win said suit all i'd have to do is have somebody open the damn thing up and see there's nothing broken off in the damn hole
11:10 <Nothing\> that it was a defective product
11:25 <Nothing\> cuz god forbid the almighty samsung should EVER make a defective product
11:41 <Nothing\> that's just completely unheard of!
12:12 <Nothing\> it's sad actually
12:36 <Nothing\> i can think of no fewer than 3 pieces of A grade electronics i bought that were defective right out of the box
12:54 <Nothing\> A router, this tablet, a monitor, and a phone
12:58 <Nothing\> just off the top of my head
13:29 <Nothing\> the monitor refused to display in its native resolution, when i showed it to the guy who sold it to me who repairs computers for a living he seriously couldn't understand what the problem was
13:40 <Nothing\> it was like he had no clue what native resolution was
13:54 <Nothing\> or why it's important for a monitor to be able to display it
14:27 <Nothing\> anyways i'm obviously pissy, and venting so i'll go play new vegas and try to settle down
14:39 <Nothing\> i told myself i'm not going to best buy for this until i've settled down
16:07 <Nothing\> i dunno why my temper's so short lately
16:13 <Nothing\> maybe i've just had too much on my plate
16:29 <Nothing\> i DO feel that i'm at or slightly past my wits' end
17:22 <jaymax> Nothing\ I have things to say about Samsung "quality" too.
19:21 <jaymax> A friend of mine bought one of their SmartTVs about six years ago. Friend opened the box, inserted thumbdrive into USB-A port, and when the drive was removed, so was the plastic backing the TV's USB port.
20:39 <jaymax> Samsung has a narrow focus of where they put their own effort in. Eveything outside of that is branded garbage.
21:09 <Nothing\> jaymax, honestly i've been nothing but pleased with their products up until now
21:36 <Nothing\> 0pu7,E
22:30 <jaymax> I consider their home applicances to be an utter joke, but then again there is a very small selection of companies who can continue a reasonable attempt.
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24:27 <T3sl4> i'm sure Nothing\ will be just a little too excited to know i found someone apparently planted datura around here
24:57 <T3sl4> (specifically, innoxia)
25:04 * jaymax websearches datura
26:57 <Nothing\> HOLY FUCK
27:00 <Nothing\> yeah
27:04 <Ampera> HOLY FUCK
27:05 <Nothing\> i take back what i said about samsung
27:09 <Ampera> IT'S A NOTHING\!
27:11 <Nothing\> this is even worse than dealing with google
27:15 <Nothing\> hey Ampera
27:20 <Ampera> hi Nothing\
27:21 <Nothing\> can i ask you for a solid?
27:27 <Ampera> no I only provide liquids
27:32 <Nothing\> that works
27:37 <Nothing\> eithre way, i really need a hug
27:45 <jaymax> Ooooh, neat. When I first read what it's potency is known for, I thought atropine. Yea, good to be closer to the equator for you.
27:57 * Ampera pours a sachet if instant hug into a gallon of water, shakes vigorously, and applies it to Nothing\ 
28:00 <Ampera> *of
28:03 <Nothing\> aw thanks man
28:11 <Nothing\> <3
28:19 <Nothing\> fuck though
28:31 <Nothing\> trying to set up my mom's phone and it's like a retarded child again
28:47 * T3sl4 scrounges up some spare hugs, pelts Ampera and Nothing\ with them
29:01 <Nothing\> saying "let's set up your samsung account!" so i'm thinking "alright so now they have samsung accounts you need. Guess I'm gonna set that up now"
29:08 <Nothing\> then it asks for my samsung account login info
29:20 <Nothing\> and i'm like "okay what happened to setting up the damn account?"
29:21 * jaymax wraps arms around Nothing\ until the prairie dogs show up.
29:25 <Nothing\> nothing anywhere for that
29:29 <Nothing\> aw jaymax
29:35 <Nothing\> you guys are awesome, you know that
29:37 <jaymax> Tigh squeeze
29:47 <Nothing\> and i'm not just saying that, i was thinking about it the other day
29:49 <jaymax> Poopy bear hug
29:57 <Nothing\> and you guys are honestly the best friends i've had
30:10 <Nothing\> as in, the only people in my life whom i've called friends that actually fit the description
30:36 <Ampera> please stop before I scream for an adult
30:40 <Ampera> you're making me uncomfortable sir
30:48 <Nothing\> Ampera, lol and i told you about the problem with the sim/sd slot on the tablet, right?
30:50 * jaymax is already tearing up.
30:55 <Ampera> yes
31:07 <Nothing\> Ampera, the geeksquad idiot accused my mom of breaking something off in the hole
31:08 * Ampera rips jaymax apart the rest of the way
31:19 <Nothing\> which totally explains why you can drop the pin 3/4in into it
31:30 <Ampera> well why'd she go and do a thing like that for
31:41 <Nothing\> she's diabetic and her sugar was low
31:49 <Nothing\> huh
31:55 <Nothing\> and something weird's happening with me here
32:01 <Ampera> good
32:02 <Nothing\> the center of my vision's strobing
32:15 <Ampera> ask your vision nicely to stop
32:17 <Nothing\> it's like i can see the refresh rate of the tv but only in the very center of my vision
32:26 <jaymax> Trippy migrane?
32:35 <Nothing\> sorta like when you can see your heartbeat, but a lot faster
32:39 <Nothing\> no, no pain or anything
32:41 <Nothing\> it's just odd
32:44 <Nothing\> and distracting
32:53 <Ampera> jaymax, no it's trippy margarine
32:59 <Nothing\> if i have a seizure i'm gonna be pissed lol
33:09 <jaymax> Still seems like a migrane - there is one that doesn't produce pain.
33:09 <Nothing\> oh wait it went away
33:09 <Ampera> now you can have disgusting tasteless toast in rainbow colors!
33:10 <Nothing\> goody
33:26 <Nothing\> Ampera, there's a million dollar idea
33:33 <Nothing\> rainbow swirl colored margarine
33:34 <Ampera> good
33:37 <Ampera> give me my million please
33:45 <jaymax> A million box?
33:54 <Nothing\> a million bocks
33:58 <Ampera> a million fucks
33:59 <Nothing\> bock bock
34:05 <jaymax> A million clucks
34:11 <Ampera> a million cucks
34:11 <Nothing\> a million cucks
34:13 <Nothing\> haha
34:14 <Ampera> oh no that's just twitter
34:22 <jaymax> LOL
34:36 <Nothing\> Ampera, you're thinking incel
34:41 <Nothing\> re: twitter
34:42 <jaymax> That too
34:53 <Ampera> no that's any computer forum, they're all incel inside.
34:56 <jaymax> Twitter is the worst
35:00 <Nothing\> lol i realized yesterday if i were less rational i could be an incel
35:14 <Ampera> so you're saying your celibacy is voluntary?
35:18 <Ampera> or you're not celibate
35:23 <Nothing\> Ampera, apparently it is
35:27 <Ampera> if so, who has been "living" in your closet
36:01 <jaymax> I'm sexless, but I'm also fat. So unlike incels, I know my place in the world.
36:10 <Nothing\> ampera: some sort of weird bugs that like my old pee
36:15 <Nothing\> and tom cruise, of course
36:16 <Ampera> I am too fucked in the head for anyone to love me
36:45 <Ampera> that's old news, tom cruise came out of the closet years ago
36:46 <Nothing\> Ampera, not true
36:54 <Ampera> entirely true
36:56 <Ampera> I have proof
36:58 <Ampera> nobody loves me
37:00 <Ampera> boom
37:05 <Nothing\> there are some people who actually want to help people like you out
37:12 <Ampera> that's what I'm afraid about the most
37:19 <jaymax> May as well eat some worms Ampera
37:22 <Ampera> I hate those sorts of people, they can't leave well enough alone
37:27 <Nothing\> and as hard as it is to believe, there are people who would suit you perfectly too
37:45 <Ampera> Sadly they're all either dead or in mental institutions
37:48 <Ampera> or politicians
38:02 <Nothing\> i mean, i have no doubt there are at least SOME people out there like you. Not that someone like you would be ideal for you. But my point is if someone like you must exist, then your compliment must also exist.
38:12 <Nothing\> but yeah Ampera that's been my hurdle too
38:24 <Nothing\> they're just too shy and skiddish
38:27 <Ampera> My deepest desire is to never have the misfortune to meet my perfect equal
38:33 <Ampera> as I have enough of me to deal with already
38:38 <DHess_US> Trying to fix the broken DNS on opnsense, but can't update without DNS ...
38:52 <DHess_US> So maybe the problem is BIOS, but can't update without DNS ...
38:58 <Nothing\> Ampera, tbh some of the people i've loathed the most have been some of the people who have been closest to me personality-wise
38:58 <DHess_US> Have to go old school.
39:17 <Nothing\> Ampera, i realized last night that's part of why my brother frustrates me so much
39:33 <Nothing\> he's almost just like me before reality kicked my ass into shape over the last 15 years
39:52 <Ampera> DHess_US, NetBIOS?
39:56 <Nothing\> but unfortunately, despite being 6 years my elder he's only just starting that same journey i went on
40:16 <Nothing\> and since he's much like me, it's probably going to take him in excess of a decade just to get over his exwife
40:18 <DHess_US> Ampera, no, just the recommended methods to update all require connectivity to be working.
40:26 <Nothing\> nevermind to come to terms with losing his kids
40:36 <Nothing\> and all of the other shit he's been through
40:40 <DHess_US> The system has full connectivity, but DNS doesn't work which is what I want ot fix.
40:45 <Ampera> Nothing\, death or divorce
40:50 <Nothing\> i really wished i could have helped him with my past experience
40:50 <DHess_US> It can ping anything, but can't resolve DNS.
40:58 <Nothing\> but he's the sorta person where he never listens
41:01 <Nothing\> he just talks at you
41:08 <Nothing\> he's like me if i never actually talked back to you
41:19 <Ampera> he sounds exactly like you, now that I think of it
41:27 <Ampera> the sorta person who just kinda talks at you
41:45 <Ampera> the sorta person you wonder if he's capable of typing without looking at the keyboard
41:46 <Nothing\> if i just did the text wall thing 24/7, except it was all complaining about my situation and scapegoating without ever taking responsibility for my actions while using drugs way worse than i am right now
42:30 <Nothing\> so basically any time you try to talk sense into him, or talk to him at all, he just talks over you
42:48 <Nothing\> he won't give you a second to get a word in edgewise, even the most benign of things
42:56 <Ampera> again, you're trying to tell me you're not like that?
43:12 <Nothing\> oh no i am saying i'm like that
43:17 <Nothing\> just not to the degree he is
43:27 <Ampera> that's impressive
43:28 <Nothing\> like i said, i actually talk back, i have conversations
43:33 <Ampera> I'd have never imagined someone could be worse than that
43:35 <Nothing\> i might get carried away once in a while, sure
43:47 <Ampera> ok get offended already you're boring me out
44:14 <Nothing\> forced speech is a bitch, but i do what i can to control it, and even though i've offered the explanation of mental health issues, i don't use that as an excuse
44:27 <Nothing\> lol Ampera it takes a LOT to offend me
44:40 <Nothing\> and chances are if you reach that point, i won't want to talk to you anymore
44:45 <Ampera> you are poop
45:00 <Nothing\> well, i suppose i am a bit brown and smelly
45:07 <Ampera> I give up
45:07 * Nothing\ feels like flanders lol
45:44 <Nothing\> "you call him a moron and he just sits there grinning moronily"
48:15 <Nothing\> HUZZAH!
48:21 <Nothing\> i got my google account back!
48:23 <Nothing\> :D
48:35 <Nothing\> since my mom got a phone i was finally able to do that stupid 2 step verification
48:47 <Nothing\> except now it's gonna reset my password tomorrow because of that stupid account recovery shit
49:35 <Nothing\> but oh well, i'll just have to change my secondary email address to an actual address instead of the same damn address i'm using. I dunno how in the hell that happened or why Google even let me do it.
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56:55 <Nothing\> let me pose a hypothetical to you guys, i've been thinking on this for a while now
57:00 <Nothing\> one of those ethics questions
58:45 <Nothing\> suppose a person you're close with, say your dad, or brother or whatever is a workaholic and working themselves too hard and stressing out over stuff and then working on other stuff constantly while he's at home. Basically overworking himself to the point that it's affecting his health, let's say he has some sort of heart disease that's being exacerbated by this stress. right?
02:13 <Nothing\> now my question is, if this person had some time, a weekend or vacation or something where they would have the ability to do nothing the whole time. But you know they'd just work hard. Let's say he has a farm he's working on the side so he's always out working on that, and then stressing about it
02:33 <Nothing\> basically he's one stressful event away from having a coronary
03:28 <Nothing\> so would it be immoral to give him, without his knowledge or consent, a drug which would immediately relieve his stress with 0 side effects besides maybe some grogginess and sleeping for a while
06:36 <rust_collector> yes
07:55 <rust_collector> but, the real question, is how moral do you have to be, and would the person "agree" later?
08:33 <Nothing\> the way i see it, i've always been of the opinion that regardless of the substance, its effects or risk of harm, it's immoral to give somebody any substance without their consent
08:45 <Nothing\> rust_collector, that's a good question too
08:56 <rust_collector> I agree.
14:39 <rust_collector> heh, that makes me think of the time my dad said he wanted to quit smoking, so I cut up tiny pieces of rubber bands, and mixed in his tobacco... he was not very happy, lol
17:29 <Nothing\> haha
17:53 <Nothing\> i dunno about rubber, but honest to god, one of the top 3 worst things i've ever smelled in my life is burning hair
18:09 <Nothing\> you put a bit of hair in his cigarettes, i guarantee that'll be the last cigarette he smokes
18:14 <rust_collector> oh, you get used to it
18:23 <Nothing\> lol how do you know this?
18:32 <rust_collector> I spent plenty of time torching hair off pigs
18:33 <Nothing\> also, i believe you
18:36 <Nothing\> ah
18:59 <Nothing\> i was gonna say though, i remember in my psych classes how the prof was talking about how we adapt to sensory input like thta
19:08 <Nothing\> although he said there was some sort of except to sounds
19:14 <rust_collector> yes, you can get used to incredible things
19:20 <Nothing\> which is why sounds can be so grating on us
19:26 <Nothing\> especially infrasound
20:30 <Nothing\> i think there's an infrasound problem here cuz i sleep with earplugs and every so often starting in the morning. Through the earplugs I can hear this really really low pitched dull rumble, like a distant engine or something. But it's completely inaudible without earplugs
20:55 <rust_collector> the smell of rotten people is pretty bad. and it really sticks to you.
21:05 <Nothing\> so i figure they're acting as a high pass filter for external sounds and without that noise eliminated, i'm better able to hear lower frequencies, like ~20hz
21:21 <Nothing\> i haven't smelled rotting people but i've smelled rotting animals
21:35 <rust_collector> I almost went crazy when the wife was charging her phone. It was like a low volume scream
21:39 <Nothing\> fcuking landlord at the place i lived in in waterloo
21:58 <rust_collector> wait until they dissolve into black goo. it is somethign special
22:02 <Nothing\> there was a gopher or groundhog that fell into a barrel of water he had sitting in the backyard for some reason
22:07 <Nothing\> so he left it there all summer
22:19 <Nothing\> then had me help him out the soupy mess that was left
22:24 <Nothing\> and poured it all over my feet and legs
22:33 <Nothing\> and shoes, RIP
22:35 <rust_collector> nice
23:48 <rust_collector> we used to wrap people in plastic, in the 70s. so they don't go away, they just turn into goo, inside a bag. I think that is the worst stink I have come across
25:09 <rust_collector> well, the freezer full of berries, that had been unplugged all summer comes high on the list too
25:53 <Nothing\> what'd you work in forensics or something?
25:57 <Nothing\> or teaching forensics
26:07 <rust_collector> no, I was a grave digger
26:12 <Nothing\> even worse
26:20 <rust_collector> meh, it was a good job
27:19 <rust_collector> we had a tiny useless mini digger, and it was faster to just dig by hand, I just used the digger to have something to climb out of the hole on
27:31 <rust_collector> but other than that, it was not bad.
27:38 <Nothing\> my buddy was a funeral director so i sat in on lots of embalmings
27:48 <Nothing\> and even helped with some
28:42 <rust_collector> I am not sure if we do that here much. except if they have to wait for a while.
28:45 <rust_collector> not sure
39:59 <Nothing\> lol i'm doing my 3rd playthrough of new vegas
40:12 <Nothing\> except this time i set my carry weight limit to 570 instead of 200
40:22 <rust_collector> eeeh, ok
40:33 <Nothing\> cuz fiddle farting with my inventory for half an hour isn't my idea of fun
40:51 <Nothing\> just so i can clear up enough space to pick up a couple more things
41:04 <rust_collector> I have no idea. sounds like a plan
41:19 <Nothing\> fair enough
41:31 <Nothing\> it's a good game though, if games are your thing
41:45 <rust_collector> nah, I am anti-game, lol
42:07 <rust_collector> I manage to waste enough time without games
42:21 <Nothing\> frankly i don't have the patience to learn most of them. I only usually play sequels, reboots or other games in a franchise i'm already familiar with
42:40 <Nothing\> that too, i don't see how people are able to spend so much time on games
42:54 <Nothing\> granted, i've spen like 400 hours on breath of the wild, but that's an exception
43:02 <Nothing\> and that was over months and months of playing
43:25 <rust_collector> I just never got into playing games. I just do not think they are fun. I can play solitaire and such, if I am waiting for something.
43:26 <Nothing\> i don't get how some people manage to get that much play time in a few weeks
44:03 <Nothing\> can i ask you something, and i don't mean anythingby this. I'm just curious about a hypothesis i just came up with
44:14 <rust_collector> mmhmm
44:29 <T3sl4> EVERYONE IN THE CUDDLE PILE https://imgur.com/gallery/LrmeQAY
44:29 <EEVBot> [Title] - Let sleeping lions sleep - Album on Imgur
44:39 <Nothing\> growing up, was your family... well not well off, but were you given less toys and games etc than the other kids?
44:55 <Nothing\> my theory is that the kids who didn't grow up with games don't have as much of an affinity for them as adults
45:19 <Nothing\> cuz you don't have the same nostalgic memories us gamers have that we're constantly trying to recapture
45:48 <Nothing\> oh damn T3sl4
45:50 <Nothing\> you scared me
45:58 <rust_collector> I got plenty of toys, but not games. I had toy cars and trains, and loads of legos. lego was my thing. so yes, I think you are onto something. I am just trying to make stuff, still
46:05 * T3sl4 cuddles Nothing\
46:14 <Nothing\> i dunno if you've seen it, but for a second i thought you were gonna post a picture of the gay orgie from the goobacks episode of south park
46:39 <T3sl4> dej tuk ur dubs
46:48 <Nothing\> precisely
47:06 <Nothing\> i just watched the yesterday so i was gonna be really freaked out if you posted the gay orgy from it
47:18 <rust_collector> post it!
47:26 <Nothing\> i mean, that sorta stuff happens to me all the time
47:36 <Nothing\> but that woulda been a little bit too specific
47:37 <rust_collector> gay orgys?
47:41 <T3sl4> rust_collector: lego my eggo https://i.imgur.com/UBq8YRJ.jpg
47:54 <Nothing\> lol no, creepily similar coincidences
48:31 <Nothing\> like i predicted we were going to have an election before it was even announced
48:48 <Nothing\> lol jk anyone who follows politics could see the election coming a mile away
49:27 <rust_collector> we are having one here too, but no one said anything interesting, because everyone is talking about taliban and viruses, so I have no idea
54:49 <Nothing\> oh yeah i forgot that stuff was happening
07:41 <Nothing\> question
07:47 <Nothing\> i'm going to get my vaccine right now
07:52 <Nothing\> should i get modern or pfizer?
08:12 <Nothing\> i really shoulda looked into this earlier but i dind't expect i could get it without an appointment
10:02 <rust_collector> meh, no one knows, just get one
14:37 <Nothing\> yeah the differences in effectiveness are really only del5%
15:27 <Nothing\> even in preventing severe disease and hospitalization, the differences could very well be statistical anomalies being only 2 or 3%
15:46 <Nothing\> maybe i'll consult the oracle
16:00 Quit: modrobert ([email protected]) Quit: Lost terminal
16:17 * Nothing\ needs a physical copy of the yijing
16:52 <Nothing\> screwt
16:56 <Nothing\> i'll just use an RNG
17:10 <Nothing\> 1 moderna, 2 pfizer
17:20 <rust_collector> get one of each
17:26 <Nothing\> pfizer it is
17:42 <rust_collector> very nazi of you. good luck
17:43 <Nothing\> rust_collector, i actually read about a woman who accidentally got two vaccines back to back in as many days
17:49 <Nothing\> she wound up hospitalized
17:52 <Nothing\> rust_collector, why thank you
17:54 * Nothing\ blushes
18:09 <rust_collector> any time
25:39 <Nothing\> mmm salami
25:54 <Nothing\> i didn't even realize salami was fermented until a few years ago
26:36 <Nothing\> apparently they mix it with bacteria and enzymes and leave it a while to ferment to give it its characteristic sharp, acidic taste and to preserve it
26:50 <rust_collector> nah, it is just old, and they listed it as a feature
44:14 <steve30> hi
46:09 <rust_collector> HELLO!
48:30 <T3sl4> yes, you can have a fully fermented meal. salami and cheese, with mustard, on bread, with a beer on the side
48:41 <T3sl4> maybe some sauerkraut if you're into that
49:26 <T3sl4> condiments are maybe a bit of a stretch, vinegar yes, but the preparations of mustard or mayo say, maybe not as much
49:51 <T3sl4> tho if you reach for the tabasco (original), that's also fermented so there you go
52:26 <coppice> T3sl4: large numbers of engineers consider beer a complete and sufficient meal
52:53 <T3sl4> excuse me for being so elaborate
53:27 <+electrohead> yes.
53:38 * T3sl4 whips electrohead in the butt with a towel
53:43 * electrohead growls
59:57 Quit: TheDude ([email protected]) Ping timeout: 121 seconds
06:56 * rust_collector slaps electroheads butt with a trowel.
07:04 <rust_collector> oops, I should read more carecully
08:24 <coppice> Be careful with that trowel. walls are complex. bricks have layers
14:49 <DHess_US> Like cake? Everybody likes cake.
15:00 <T3sl4> *slaps roof of wall* this baby can fit so many ogres in it
15:15 <DHess_US> T3sl4 gets it.
15:32 <T3sl4> you son of a bitch i'm in
17:12 <DHess_US> Obligatory, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lp6DCmntbPI
17:13 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: « They're whores. — I'm in! »
20:42 <coppice> Reminds me of "My mother used to look at the mess in my room and tell me I'd never get a self respecting girl to go there. Luckily, those were not the ones I was aiming for."
33:00 Quit: arch ([email protected]) Quit: Leaving
52:42 <Nothing\> huh
53:04 <Nothing\> i'm trying to find info on this fallout new vegas dlc i have fond memories of playing but can't find it for the life of me
53:50 <Nothing\> i remember you go to a drive in to check something, then you wake up in this futuristic dome city with a bunch of sentient, but quirky robots all around you
57:10 <DHess_US> BIOS updated on my apu4d4. What did that take? 15 minutes?
57:35 <DHess_US> I think it was objecting to the 4G USB drive I was trying to use. Had to break out the 32GB USB 3 one.
58:15 <Nothing\> think i found it
59:21 <Nothing\> heh i did a project last night where i made a boot floppy disk for a virtual drive on an 8086 emulator
59:39 <Nothing\> the tutorial i found had a whole section on making an operating system
02:20 <DHess_US> opnsense still boots, so that is nice.
13:34 <Nothing\> dammit
13:47 <Nothing\> new vegas keeps crashing on me when i try to set a keyboard shortcut to draw a weapon
24:35 * steve30 's back hurts
28:28 <Nothing\> the spare bedroom i was originally gonna take is easily 5c colder than the rest of the house for some reason
28:28 <Nothing\> i even closed all unnecessary furnace vents for parts of the house we don't use like the basement and ensured the vents were opened upstairs
28:28 <Nothing\> and i don't mean the vent in the floor, i mean the vent actually built into the ductwork
28:28 <Halcyon> He seems to have the same style as Dylan Hollis: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkeVtpdeBPc
28:28 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: Dylan Hollis - PERFECTION SALAD (TikTok Vintage Recipe)
28:28 <Nothing\> there's like a lever on the duct you turn that closes a main vent to prevent any airflow
28:28 <Nothing\> so long as you dont do that to too many of the vents
28:28 <Nothing\> ah hell i'm tired
28:28 <Nothing\> but that means i can finally drink this dr pepper i've been sitting on since january
28:28 <Nothing\> don't tolerate caffeine so drinking dr pepper is a rare treat for me
28:28 <Nothing\> as for colas, never quite cared for them
28:41 <Nothing\> almight help if i actually got my ass up and grabbed the dr pepper
28:46 <Nothing\> i really need to find my pulse/ox too
29:01 <Nothing\> my heart rate's been tanking something fierce at night, i'm actually starting to feel dizzy from it now
29:10 <Nothing\> which is when it starts to become dangerous
29:32 <Nothing\> as it is, my heart rate is around 35 beats per minutes as i'm falling asleep
29:36 <Nothing\> 35-40
29:41 <DHess_US> segmentation fault updating opnsense
29:46 <Nothing\> so who knows how low it gets while i'm actually sleeping
29:54 <DHess_US> I guess I'll start over and install from disk.
30:18 <DHess_US> Got a screen full of:
30:19 <DHess_US> [HBSD SEGVGUARD] [/bin/sh (54622)] Preventing execution due to repeated segfaul.
30:19 <DHess_US> -> pid: 54622 ppid: 69914 p_pax: 0xa50<SEGVGUARD,ASLR,NOSHLIBRANDOM,NODISALLOW
30:19 <DHess_US> [HBSD SEGVGUARD] [/bin/sh (31576)] Preventing execution due to repeated segfaul.
30:19 <DHess_US> -> pid: 31576 ppid: 69914 p_pax: 0xa50<SEGVGUARD,ASLR,NOSHLIBRANDOM,NODISALLOW
32:47 <Nothing\> it reminds me of how byclists and other athletes can be so "healthy" their heart rate ends up so slow that they literally risk dying in their sleep so they have to set an alarm to wake them if their heart rate gets too low so they can do some exercise to get it back up
36:15 <DHess_US> Huh, the new opnsense suppose installation on ZFS?
36:37 <Nothing\> mmm fuzzy peaches
36:45 <Nothing\> i don't think you yanks have these
36:51 <Nothing\> which if it's true, you're missing out
36:55 <DHess_US> fuzzy peaches?
37:29 <Nothing\> they're gummy peach flavoured candy with a sprinkling of some sort of sugar/ascorbic acid mix coating them
37:35 <Nothing\> i'd hate to say it, but part of me is actually tempted to synthesize some chroloform and actually try breathing a little bit just to see what it's like
37:40 <DHess_US> Oh
37:57 <Nothing\> although since it's an NMDA antagonist it probably feels similar to ether or nitrous oxide, but stronger
37:57 <Halcyon> Random
38:05 <Nothing\> Halcyon, that's how i roll
38:33 <Nothing\> https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1288/2903/products/fuzzy-peaches_1024x1024.jpg?v=1585665940
38:49 <Nothing\> when the channel goes dead, i do the wall of text thing and jump between subjects like this in the hopes that somebody else will see it and have something to say about it, anything. And then a conversation can begin
38:56 <DHess_US> yes, we have those, or something practically identical
39:06 <Nothing\> and usually those subjects are whatever random thoughts come to mind
39:22 <Halcyon> I usually just slap Ampera across the internet
39:32 <Nothing\> mmm
39:39 * Ampera pops a cap in Halcyon's oversized ass
39:50 <Nothing\> my mom accidentally got these "poptart bites" or whatever instead of actual pop tarts
39:54 <Nothing\> these things are damn good
40:01 <Nothing\> they actually put enough icing on it to taste it!
40:17 <Nothing\> and they're birthday cake flavoured so they have vanilla icing inside
40:35 <Nothing\> ah, right on
40:41 <Nothing\> and instead of a pastry, it's more like a sugar cookie in terms of texture and flavour
40:42 <Nothing\> i love em
40:45 <Halcyon> Morning all
40:50 <Nothing\> them, and winegums
40:55 <Nothing\> which i bet you DON'T have
40:59 <Nothing\> not even a knockoff
41:11 <Nothing\> so now then
41:14 <Nothing\> i'm not even sure what the flavours are supposed to be
41:25 <Nothing\> since i have at least 2 modern printer/scanner/etcs to tear down
41:26 <Halcyon> I need to go poopies
41:36 <Nothing\> what all would be good to keep an eye out for that would be worth while
41:42 <Nothing\> i known there's a neat bar of LEDs
41:45 <Nothing\> they're really chewy gummy candies with weird flavours and flavoured with vinegar to give a sort of wine taste i guess
41:48 <Nothing\> Halcyon, good luck with that
41:52 <Nothing\> i just know the black ones are black currant
41:55 <Nothing\> i hope it goes better than it usually goes for me
42:01 <Nothing\> and the green ones seem to be either lime or some sort of pine
42:11 <Nothing\> although i've been more regular lately than i've been in years for no appareant reason
42:12 <Nothing\> yellow's obviously lemon
42:30 <Nothing\> then there's red which is maybe raspberry, i'm not sure and orange which is obivously orange
42:46 <Nothing\> but they have such a unique flavour. They're not like other gummy candies
43:06 <Nothing\> i'd suggest trying them if you ever get the chance
43:27 <Nothing\> i figure it's because when i make my pot cookies twice a week I don't strain the pot out of the butter, so i'm getting tons of fiber and roughage from eating all of that leafy plant matter
43:43 <steve30> Halcyon, I went and sat in a coffee shop earlier
43:49 <Nothing\> either that or the fact that i consume a cup of better every weekend in making those cookies
43:49 <Nothing\> oh yeah, some generic brands also have white pine apple flavoured ones but i just think that's sacrilege
43:59 <Nothing\> steve30, been a long time since i've done that
44:13 <Nothing\> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d9/Bassetts_winegums.jpg
44:36 <Nothing\> usually they're sold under the brand Maynard's here. Which is like the main gummy brand here in Canada.
44:45 <Nothing\> They're synonymous with top notch gummy candy
44:51 <Nothing\> here, coffee shop usually just means Tim Hortons
44:56 <Nothing\> and Tool
44:57 <Nothing\> or very rarely, starbucks
44:58 <Nothing\> :P
45:06 <Nothing\> or a Williams, if you guys have those
46:50 <steve30> this was the first time i'd been to one in a year
47:17 <Nothing\> basically the same deal as starbucks. Fancy wannabe lower upscale coffee joint
49:29 <DHess_US> Not the same brand but I could walk 15 minutes and get some, https://www.walgreens.com/store/c/haribo-peaches-gummy-candy/ID=prod6090696-product
49:35 <EEVBot> [Title] - Haribo Peaches Gummy Candy | Walgreens
56:35 <jaymax> puzzy feaches
56:41 <Halcyon> Mmmm peaches
58:44 <Halcyon> steve30, cool story :P
58:50 <Halcyon> Were there cuties there?
59:15 <steve30> no, just pensioners
59:23 <Halcyon> Darn
01:29 <+electrohead> "just pensioners"
01:33 <+electrohead> well fucking thanks
01:38 * electrohead walks away
01:40 <+electrohead> lol
01:44 <Halcyon> Hah
01:58 <Halcyon> I think he means OAP's
02:08 <+electrohead> yeah I know :P
02:12 * electrohead pokes Halcyon
02:21 <Halcyon> :D
02:31 <Halcyon> Speaking of fuzzy peaches
02:57 <steve30> i fired up the Cisco SIP phone today
03:41 * steve30 meows
05:00 <Halcyon> What are you doing with it Steve?
05:27 <Halcyon> And speaking of fuzzies
05:28 <Halcyon> :P
05:31 <Halcyon> Hey steve30
06:02 * steve30 curls up around the coffee cup
06:12 <Halcyon> Cup is empty, needs refilling
06:40 * jaymax pours coffee into cup and all over steve30
06:47 <steve30> dialling numbers
06:50 * electrohead films
07:12 <Halcyon> https://www.news.com.au/finance/south-park-creators-matt-stone-and-trey-parker-buy-iconic-restaurant-casa-bonita-from-their-own-tv-show/news-story/ae9f411d06a92efb1913ebaf6ebc444e
07:14 <Halcyon> Hah
07:16 <EEVBot> [Title] - South Park creators Matt Stone and Trey Parker buy iconic restaurant Casa Bonita from their own TV show
07:20 <Nothing\> ugh
08:16 * jaymax rangles up a choir of crickets https://maxuel.compy.ca:8443/index.php/s/f3HFfXmgtjfKs9d
08:39 <Nothing\> lol Halcyon i saw that last night
08:55 <Nothing\> i wonder if they'll make it just like it was on the show
09:14 <jaymax> bruh +EEVBot
09:34 <Halcyon> It'll be interesting
09:36 <Nothing\> or if they'll sell out and just.... sorry train of thought derailed
10:21 <Nothing\> please attach a new engine to the train and send clean up crews immediately
10:47 * electrohead pulls out immediately
11:02 <+electrohead> javascript protection?
11:18 <+electrohead> I ask that, because I can't even view audio or pictures on your site, without javascript
11:26 <jaymax> Maybe I'm killing the bot with my NC urls. Case in point when I get previews from my fork...
11:29 <jaymax> 19:04 < nSLUGbot> [Title] -
11:31 <jaymax> 19:04 < nSLUGbot> IINextcloudI
11:50 <+electrohead> EEVBot: about
11:51 <EEVBot> I am EEVBot v1.1, made in python, with love, and fueled by beer. Hear me roar.
11:57 <+electrohead> it didn't crash or anything
12:26 <jaymax> Oh okey. BTW, is the + prefix meaningful?
12:40 <jaymax> I'm still a dunce with IRC
13:02 <Nothing\> once i knew this kid who needed a blood transfusion, but he didn't like blood so they gave him apple juice and in the ll
13:18 <Nothing\> and in the fall he changed colors and fell out of a tree and died
16:12 <+electrohead> + just means voice
16:32 <+electrohead> there's a channel mode that can be set, where only voiced individuals can chat
17:28 <+electrohead> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXq0Tfi-9eI
17:29 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: You Might Be A Veteran If... Part 2
17:52 Quit: Nothing\ (~Shmendrick@cpe9050ca20a183-cm9050ca20a180.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) Quit: Leaving
19:10 <Halcyon> Hahaha 'Merica!
19:33 <+electrohead> Something like that, lol
21:07 <Halcyon> Hahaha
21:11 <Halcyon> It was mildly amusing
23:18 * Ampera hugs Halcyon 
24:39 <steve30> Maybe someone can assist me with a little GUI issue... With these modern 'flat' GUIs, how are you supposed to know which bits you can click on and which bits you can't click on?
25:18 <Halcyon> Well it should be obvious if the GUI is designed properly
25:24 <Halcyon> What are you talking about specifically?
26:40 <Ampera> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E9ff0FJXoAUaO3I?format=jpg&name=900x900
26:41 <steve30> as a linux user, i tend not to have much trouble usually, but i keep trying to have a play with this fruity phone
27:10 <steve30> tbh, its UI is much better than I expected, so I will give it some credit.
28:16 <EEVBot> [Twitter] - eevblog - Scam of the day award goes to the humble copper heatsink Personally I would have gone fancy pancy and mounted it to… https://t.co/MvIAuL67YS
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29:23 <Halcyon> Heh fruity phone
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30:13 * steve30 thinks the cisco 7941 is much nicer to use :)
30:31 <+electrohead> https://imgur.com/a/Ya169u4/
30:32 <EEVBot> [Title] - Imgur: The magic of the Internet
30:50 <Halcyon> Heh
32:35 <Nothing\> lol you guys ever see that classic experiment where you take a small paint can, poke maybe a dime sized hole in top, fill it with methae or some other flammable gas and you light the gas comin out of the holee where the hole is and as it burns, the flame gets close and close to the inside of the until finaly
32:44 <Nothing\> BWOMP
33:05 <Halcyon> I can't say I have
33:13 <Nothing\> the flid flies off, fired off at a good rate of speed
33:20 <Nothing\> with a very satisfying pop
33:43 <Nothing\> Halcyon, it's a fun experiment, I'd strongly suggest trying but be careful because it hoes have some traps for new players
35:09 <Nothing\> but anyways in my attempt the other day i thought/hoped i could get away with using a large pill bottle with butane (butane's just 4 methanes holding hands)
35:23 <Nothing\> but as i expected, the plastic cap melted
36:29 <Nothing\> but it melted slowly and formed a nearly perfectly circular hole
38:06 <Nothing\> also i used alcohol, isopropyl alcohol, which i didn't realize burns with an invisible flame
43:55 <Nothing\> i'm gonna go lick my mom's tablet for science
43:58 <Nothing\> brb
44:07 <Halcyon> Oh dear
44:15 <Ampera> supposedly the washer's busted and my dad hates his life
44:23 <Nothing\> lol that came out wnrong
44:32 <Halcyon> The dish washer?
44:37 <Halcyon> Or the clothes washer?
44:43 <Ampera> the clothes washer
44:47 <Halcyon> Mmm that sucks
45:00 <Ampera> won't spin or pump
45:15 <Halcyon> Controller failure maybe?
45:15 <Nothing\> Halcyon, what's the usual term for it there? a clothes washer i mean
45:21 <Halcyon> Washing machine
45:26 <Nothing\> also sorry to hear that Ampera
45:26 <Ampera> no clue
45:35 <Nothing\> just more stress in your life, huh?
45:43 <Ampera> it's not my washer
46:00 <Nothing\> but it'll be your problem when your clothes start getting dirty
46:02 <Ampera> my dad barely lets me use the damn thing because it's upstairs where his girlfriend sleeps
46:08 <Nothing\> you ever wash clothes by hand?
46:11 <Ampera> yes
46:14 <Nothing\> i had to do it for several years
46:30 <Nothing\> i literally washed them by hand, i didn't use any tools
46:59 <Nothing\> i'd just toss maybe 2 or 3 days worth of clothes in the tub with some lukewarm water and the laundry detergent
47:28 <Ampera> I've done it in a sink
47:30 <Nothing\> take off my pants and get in the tub and step on my clothes the way the fullers did it back in the day
47:45 <Ampera> though I never used laundry detergent
47:55 <Ampera> usually just used whatever liquid soap was around
48:03 <Nothing\> then i'd wring them out very carefully, cuz you can destroy elastic bands if you're too rough
48:23 <Nothing\> and leave them to dry hanging up in the bathroom
48:29 <Nothing\> which got humid as all hell
48:40 <Nothing\> you want a humidifier? just do laundry indoors
48:48 <Nothing\> or let your laundry dry indoors
49:36 <Nothing\> Ampera, in retrospect i probably should have used some sort of skin protection since strong surfactants can be irritants
49:49 <Nothing\> and I think there's some other reason but oh well
50:12 <Nothing\> something about ionic surfactants
51:15 <Nothing\> Ampera, did i tell you i made a gigantic camera obscura yesterday?
51:25 <Ampera> the only stress is my dad bitching and moaning about it
51:28 <Nothing\> you know, those shoebox cameras kids use to watch solar eclipses with
51:35 <Ampera> like he does with everything
51:41 <Ampera> ]nice
51:58 <Nothing\> Ampera, dude that's some of the worst stress for me imo
52:08 <Nothing\> is listening to OTHER people bitch about stuff
52:19 <Nothing\> especially if you have no recourse or authority to tell them to stfu
52:57 <Ampera> oh I can tell him to stfu, and in a more polite way did :P
52:58 <Nothing\> and that shit isn't going to help him get anything done better, it's just gonna make him, and everyone else in the house in a shit mood
53:03 <Ampera> doesn't mean he's gonna stop
53:04 <Nothing\> and that's just selfish
53:17 <Nothing\> apologies if i'm out of line calling your pops selfish
53:24 <Ampera> I'm gonna look at it tomorrow
53:26 <Nothing\> but that's at least the sense i get from what i've heard
53:33 <Ampera> hopefully it's just a clogged line
53:47 <Ampera> we've had that washer for 10 years, so it might just have limescale or something
54:11 <Nothing\> yeah, could be all you need to do is run some CLR through it
54:23 <Nothing\> or soak some key bits in CLR
54:36 <Ampera> I may substitute vinegar, but close enough
54:43 <Nothing\> i'm not sure how the process goes for something like thta.
55:13 <Nothing\> you should just use glacial acetic acid then if you're going that route
55:59 Join: arch ([email protected]) to #EEVblog
56:41 <Nothing\> but anyways Ampera
56:51 <Nothing\> back to the camera obscura i made
56:59 <Nothing\> it was a complete accidnt
57:07 <Ampera> I'm using what I have on hand
59:17 <arch> i think i just got ignored by Renco support... the first email i sent them, i asked for an alternative to a discontinued product. the sales lead got back to me within the same day, and asked which company i worked for and whatnot. i responded i'm just a small time customer, a serious hobbyist, and today's the second day gone by and they haven't gotten back to me. compare that to Wurth's customer support team, whom i asked if they have plans
59:18 <arch> on converting their footprints to kicad format, and they got back in a personalized, courteous manner.
00:15 <Nothing\> i sleep with towels on my window and lifted on up to look out for a second and when i let it drop back down the towel caught on my headboard, creating about a 2inch wide triangle shaped hole
00:44 <Nothing\> and through that whole, an image of everything outside was project upside down on 2 wals and the ceiling of my bedroom
01:34 <Nothing\> so i accidentally put myself inside of a camera obscura
01:41 <Nothing\> and the details were so fine
02:00 <Nothing\> you could see the mortar work on cinderblocks from 100 feet away
02:58 <arch> guess US companies don't want money. i literally was gonna buy a dozen or two, custom inductors, at up to $10/pop. o well. guess i'll get from coilcraft or something
03:21 <Nothing\> speaking of sun stuff, next year's a soar max now that I think about it
03:35 <Nothing\> no, 2023
03:37 Quit: arch ([email protected]) Quit: Leaving
04:40 <Nothing\> cuz the nnutters thought it was going to nde the world in 2012 annd the solar cycle changes every 11 years like clockwork
06:28 <Nothing\> the sun's poles flip and goes all kaka kookoo
06:37 <Nothing\> that is, every 11 years
22:19 <DHess_US> Took long enough for someone to notice, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nGPjx_NEQQ&t=1470s
22:19 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: Why It Took So Long To Leave Afghanistan: Antiwar.com’s Scott Horton
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35:27 <Nothing\> lemme ask you guys something i was just thinking on
35:39 <Nothing\> you know the instruments, recorderds?
35:56 <Nothing\> crappy little woodwind thing they give you in school
36:00 <Nothing\> never sounds good
36:37 <Nothing\> i bought one a whole ago and it still sounded like a teenager's voice cracking
36:42 <Nothing\> *while
40:56 * Halcyon mustards all over T3sl4 
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41:31 <T3sl4> oh my
42:21 <Nothing\> holy hell, only 8:45pm
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42:29 <Nothing\> the way i feel, i thought it was more like 3am
43:10 <steve30> i'm just repairing my glasses again
44:01 <Nothing\> how on earth do college students read while they're tired
45:30 <jaymax> Knock-self-out, sleep, wake up, coffee, read.
46:11 <jaymax> AKA procrastinate, but this is the healthy example.
46:15 <Nothing\> juice by jaymax juice by jaymax gooooo jaymax
46:25 * Nothing\ hopes jaymax gets the reference
46:42 <steve30> i hate being short sighted
46:56 <jaymax> Cheerleaders supporting vape?
47:00 <Nothing\> except jennifer connely was on heroin doing sex shows for drug money
47:05 <Nothing\> so..
47:13 <jaymax> Ah, lol
47:39 <Nothing\> not quit ethe same as taking a dildo "ASS TO ASS" as the rich business man so eloquently puts it
48:17 <Nothing\> oh well i don't think il'l ever watch that again
48:53 <jaymax> FWIW, I was actively avoiding Requiem for a *Dead Man on Campus* joke.
49:16 <DHess_US> Requiem for a Dream
49:37 <DHess_US> With Keith David no less.
49:52 <jaymax> But tucking and rolling from a moving car doesn't involve reading.
50:39 <Ampera> better than being tall sighted
56:26 <Nothing\> oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
56:30 <Nothing\> buttons
56:49 <Nothing\> so either of you guys know the fallout new vegas dlc i was describing
56:56 <Nothing\> earlier, about oh...
57:03 <EEVBot> [Twitter] - eevblog - RT @barjammar: I just subscribed to a great podcast about the reasons for conspiracy theories and how the new technologies (YouTube etc.) c…
57:03 * Nothing\ refers to time stams..
59:37 <Nothing\> huh
59:44 <Nothing\> oh lol dur
59:59 <Nothing\> "huh i wonder what happened to the color in hexchat"
00:10 <Nothing\> *realizes he's scrolled up 10 minutes ago
00:28 <jaymax> * 3 minutes
00:34 <jaymax> :^D
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04:20 <Nothing\> neato
04:36 <Nothing\> there's an article about the founder of my city on wikipedia today
04:52 <Nothing\> 1781 – American Revolutionary War: Near present-day Aurora, Indiana, American Indians led by Joseph Brant killed or captured all members of a Pennsylvania militia.
05:04 <Nothing\> (he was native)
07:38 <jaymax> http://rss.slashdot.org/~r/Slashdot/slashdot/~3/gTs8a_kOW8k/gain-admin-privileges-to-a-windows-machine-by-plugging-in-a-razer-mouse
07:39 <EEVBot> [Title] - Moved Permanently
07:42 * jaymax signs into eBay
08:45 <Nothing\> jaymax, don't ever take that for granted
09:21 <Nothing\> man, did you see anything about the clusterfuck of me trying to log into my youtube account since yesterday
09:35 <jaymax> No?
09:40 <Nothing\> cuz google wanted 2 step verification, but my phone was broken
09:51 <Nothing\> so i couldn't receie text messages to do the two step verification
11:12 <+electrohead> a clusterfuck, or a mongolian clusterfuck?
11:15 <Nothing\> the other option it gave me was to some change my account settings with my tablet, even though my tablet didn't have that account on it. which obiously didn't work. Or have them send a recovery verification code to my recovery email
11:20 <Nothing\> so i went with that
11:44 <Nothing\> and for some reason it had the same address set as its recovery email address
12:02 <Nothing\> so it was trying to send a verification code to the same damn account i couldn't even access in the first place lol
12:18 <Nothing\> there were no optios to answer questions about my parents or any of that crap
12:22 * jaymax slaps electrohead with a mongolian comic book character lunch box
12:28 <Nothing\> it was text message on THAT number, or nothing
12:46 <Nothing\> and then the really annoying thing
12:52 <jaymax> Nothing\ I was just in time.
13:02 <Nothing\> my mum just get a tablet, so we coulda just put the sim card in that
13:17 <Nothing\> except the SD/SIM card slot was broken out of the box and wouldn't eject
13:18 <jaymax> My scrollback was only good for 24 hours
13:49 <Nothing\> the guy at best buy accused my mem of breaking something off in it, evne though you can drop a pin about 2cm into it
14:15 <Nothing\> but either way
14:27 <Nothing\> i at least got logged back into youtube
14:33 <Nothing\> so thank God for that
15:43 <Nothing\> as for the tablet, we're going back tomorrow to speak to a manager and i'm going to cite some consumer protection act law and give some empty threats with that
15:52 <Nothing\> and some empty threats re: the media, i dunno
16:05 <Nothing\> in a calm and rational tone mind you, nota karen sorta way by any means
16:45 * Halcyon smacks Ampera
16:53 <Ampera> HARDER
17:40 <Nothing\> just be like "well you've got 3 options here man, it's simple. Fix the tablet so we don't have the problem and waive the cost, replace the tablet free of cost, since it's obviously defective and i'll be outta your hair and you'll never hear a single thing about this ever again"
18:16 * T3sl4 mustards Ampera in the face
19:26 <Nothing\> "or you can be a dick about it and accuse my elderly mother of lying about it after she broke her tablet and i can get the media involved, the better business bureau and begin legal proceedings for a lawsuit and you can spend the next year or so fighting this thing and allthe attention it could bring you"
19:59 <Nothing\> either way even if the latter option ends up with minimal consequences, it would be a much greater pain for them than if they just fixed or replaced it
20:14 <Nothing\> it's not like nothing ever came defective before
20:49 <Nothing\> and to prove we're telling the truth all they'd have to do is take it apart and see there's nothing jammed in there
20:57 <Nothing\> easiest lawsuit win in history
22:07 <Nothing\> the only question is do i pursue Best Buy for compensation, or Samsung?
22:40 <Nothing\> compensation meaning a replacement tablet that isn't defective
23:28 * electrohead points at it
23:39 <+electrohead> I call it - "The Great Wall of Nothing\"
23:42 * electrohead runs
24:10 <Nothing\> lol
24:18 <Nothing\> either way i disabled 2 step verification on my account
24:58 <Nothing\> it feels dirty but when your account is so secure that you almost lose access to it entirely, i'd reallyrather not risk it happening for real next time.
25:05 <Nothing\> lol electrohead
25:17 <Nothing\> i see what you did there now. It took me a second.
26:20 <Nothing\> See it's easy for me to think i haen't typed as much as I have cuz I"m on 4k so so much more text fits on my screen. Meanwhile I've probably fil 4 or 5 screens full of tekt for some people idling
26:59 <Nothing\> or worse, people on phones
27:05 <Nothing\> especially nokias
27:19 * Nothing\ throws steve30's glasses in a beaker of hydrofluoric acid
27:46 * Nothing\ then runs to the sinks as his beaker begins to disintegrate
28:39 <Nothing\> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_asNhzXq72w
28:40 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: The Price is Right Losing Horn - Gaming Sound Effect (HD)
43:41 <+electrohead> :P
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44:30 <+electrohead> technically that was longer than one second, but I'll give you credit
44:38 <+electrohead> lol
44:43 <+electrohead> I miss the old nokia phones
49:12 * steve30 curls up on Halcyon's lap
54:07 * DogWomble looks up ... are we in the middle of a slamdemic?
55:21 * T3sl4 slams DogWomble with a sausage
57:37 <DogWomble> was it a weiner sausage?
59:11 <Nothing\> my mom had one you could play snake on
59:29 <jaymax> NIBBLES
00:04 <Nothing\> lol i remember when i get my first cell phone, this crappy probably 2005 era clamshell with a 1st gen color screen, non touch, non-smart
00:06 <jaymax> I didn't have Nokia as a kid, but there was DOS 5
00:50 <Nothing\> this was at the height of my opiate addiction so there was a point where i stayed in bed for an entire week messed up on drugs just buying and playing shitty cell phone games
01:12 <Nothing\> i wound up spending like $300-$500 i forget how much exactly it was years ago
01:34 <Nothing\> but i just let the statute of limitations pick up the tab on that one
01:50 <flyback> https://lygte-info.dk/ <--- BOOKMARK NOW
01:51 <EEVBot> [Title] - Flashlight information
01:59 <flyback> no they go over usb charging
02:01 <flyback> dmm's etc
03:14 <Nothing\> you know, whether it's pot or opiates, or synthetic cannabinoids, or some other research chemicals, cost always becomes an issue
03:26 <Nothing\> even when it's only pennies per dose to start off with
04:46 <Nothing\> with jwh my tolerance was increasing almost exponentialy. But thankfully I had the sense only to buy so much so i coudln't get too carried away and if i did, it would end very quickly
05:15 <Nothing\> but i've heard horror stories of other people who didn't plan ahead that well
05:54 <Nothing\> man you know when i think back on all of that stuff, i really do feel grateful i'm not doing that anymore
06:40 <Nothing\> i'd lie if i said i didn't have some nostalgia for it, but more than anything i'm just glad not to have to deal with the problems
07:39 <Nothing\> and the uncertainty of putting massive amounts of drugs into my body that were never meant to be given to people in the first place, have only existed a few years and were only ever intended for research purposes.
07:59 <Nothing\> though i'd be interested to know how it got from lab to street
08:30 <Nothing\> an employee who decided to try it based on its mode of action?
08:58 <Nothing\> a friend of an employee who paid him to get some?
09:50 <Nothing\> and it's not like it's just ONE drug either, there are dozens of these drugs and chemicals meant for research purposes that are getting into the street
10:32 <Nothing\> i believe that's in part, where that zombie face eating drug came from. Chinese labs making these drugs.
10:59 <Nothing\> fentanyl too
11:47 <Nothing\> now that i think about it, when i ordered cannabinoids, right next to the cannabinoids they used to have all sorts of different substituted varieties of fentanyl, basically all of the stuff they're seeing in street drugs nowaday
13:36 <Nothing\> they weren't technically legal yet at the time, so just sell as much as you can to american distributors for a tidy profit, the government make it illegal. So you just sit and wait for the chemists to figure out the next substituted drug to sell that's just different enough to be legal again
13:41 <Nothing\> and the cycle repeats
18:54 <Nothing\> man it's slow in here today
19:10 <Nothing\> or am i just scaring everyone off? I won't bite. Promise!
23:16 <Nothing\> i was just tihnking
23:29 <Nothing\> if that dr Kellogg existed today
23:50 <Nothing\> wait
24:00 <Nothing\> whree was i going with this thought
24:04 <Nothing\> i have clue
24:27 <Nothing\> so i'll just change it and say if he were alive today he'd some splainin' to du
25:24 <Nothing\> oh now i remember
26:13 <Nothing\> he'd saturate the market with fake fleshlights that give a mild to medium electrical shock when used
29:49 <steve30> i should probably go to bed
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41:34 <EEVBot> [Twitter] - eevblog - Well, they do say that New Yorkers are different https://t.co/GpDdgiszY0
41:52 <Halcyon> I've been in meetings all morning Nothing\
41:54 <Halcyon> Not ignoring you
43:16 <Nothing\> lol i know that people have lives outside of me
43:24 * Nothing\ looks around shifty eyed
45:56 <Halcyon> Not really :P
47:17 <Nothing\> huh
47:37 <Nothing\> rodney alcala died 2 weeks ago
47:53 <Nothing\> he was that dating gameshow killer dude
48:24 <Nothing\> if you've heard about it, you know what i mean.
49:16 <Nothing\> oh, this says 6 weeks
49:21 * Nothing\ shrugs
49:29 <Nothing\> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rodney_Alcala
49:30 <EEVBot> [Title] - Rodney Alcala - Wikipedia
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10:24 <T3sl4> Halcyon irl https://i.imgur.com/AqEHGGw.jpg
11:34 <Halcyon> Oooh my GPS antenna arrived
11:45 <Halcyon> Bahaha
11:51 <Halcyon> Are you saying I secretly like cats?
12:57 <T3sl4> well, you'd kiss steve30 i'm pretty sure
13:12 <Halcyon> :P
15:18 <steve30> i'm going out for a walk
21:02 <Halcyon> I wish I could. It's raining out :(
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23:34 <DogWomble> T3sl4, well it would be the only pussy he's ever likely to get
23:46 <T3sl4> i know right?
23:55 * DogWomble changes his name to Mrs_Slocombe
25:20 <DogWomble> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRJlItzalJY
25:20 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: Mrs Slocombe's Pussy
26:53 <EEVBot> [Twitter] - eevblog - RT @z_long: If you're in the Loop, you must visit the Blue Screen of Death Fountain https://t.co/Th4YUw6JuC
28:36 * jaymax slowy combs his pussy
30:00 <Nothing\> it's a bit of a long stretch, but i think simon whistler may have cancer
31:06 <Halcyon> Such a good show DogWomble
31:21 <DogWomble> yes it is Halcyon :D
31:37 <DogWomble> shamne if he does Nothing\ i've seen some of his youtube stuff, he presents actualyl very well
31:41 <Nothing\> tell me if this makes sense
32:25 <Nothing\> hrm i'm trying to share this video at a particular point in time in the video but they've apparently changed how to do that again
33:04 <DogWomble> if it's youtube, go to sthe share option and you'll have the option t oishare form the current time point
33:14 <Nothing\> anyways just scroll to some time around 4:30 and you'll see the bandage i'm talking about
33:16 <Nothing\> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZAsT_JtdC0
33:17 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: Reality TV Shows That Really, Actually Existed Part II
33:40 <Nothing\> oh yeah, dur
33:45 <Nothing\> i dunnon why i didn't see that
34:19 <Nothing\> https://youtu.be/cZAsT_JtdC0?t=271
34:20 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: Reality TV Shows That Really, Actually Existed Part II
35:00 <Nothing\> but i've been racking my brain and can't figure out what would cause a bandage in such an inoccuous spot
35:06 <Nothing\> minory surgery maybe
39:32 <DogWomble> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZ_Rd5VcKJ8
39:33 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: The Curious Case of Dr Crippen: The First Murderer Caught Via Telegraph
39:39 <DogWomble> that's another of simonb's good series
41:20 <Nothing\> ooh neat
41:29 <Nothing\> i never have watched his crime channel
41:41 <Nothing\> that's one thing that never caught my fancy
41:53 <DogWomble> it's actually fairly intersting
41:56 <DogWomble> i do like his delivery
42:45 <Nothing\> Halcyon, that's just what they want you to think
43:10 <Nothing\> don't an sheeple
43:30 <Nothing\> you're not sean the sheeple
43:44 <Nothing\> orr shawn?
43:56 <Nothing\> he's well spoken until he misponounces a word
44:04 <Nothing\> which he does frequently
44:38 <Nothing\> even commonly known words like taco bell and Tutankhamen
45:36 <Nothing\> he pronounces taco bell as "TACK-OH Bell" and Tutankhamen as "too-tank-ah-moon"
45:37 <Nothing\> huh
45:40 * Nothing\ shrugs
45:48 <Nothing\> apparently it's impossible to block mark zuckerberg on facebook
45:56 <Halcyon> Mmm tacos
45:58 <Nothing\> that feels kind of... fascist
46:04 <Nothing\> sometimes i'm sure he goes it to troll people who big him about it
46:12 <Halcyon> What do you mean Nothing\ ?
46:33 <Nothing\> but more oftenthan net he sucks at pronunciation
46:42 <Nothing\> like if somebod's harassing you or you don't want to talk to them anymore you block them so they can't send you messages or see you or interact with you in any way
47:25 <Nothing\> it apparently won't let you do it with mark zuckerberg. OR so the story goes.
47:29 <Nothing\> but it wouldn't surprise me
48:11 <Nothing\> he's just the sorta guy who would force the whole world to like him with no choice
48:20 <Nothing\> (symbolically)
50:21 * electrohead fondles Halcyon's doughnuts
50:51 <Halcyon> Hah good luck to him
50:56 <Halcyon> I don't use the Facebooks :P
53:46 <Halcyon> 8 satellites visible and I still can't get a 3D fix indoors
53:48 <Halcyon> Annoying
54:51 * T3sl4 meths up Halcyon's dimensions
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59:18 <Halcyon> I really don't want to drill through my roof
02:51 <steve30> well, its a bit wet out here
03:21 <Halcyon> Stupid weather
06:46 <steve30> i can't sleep
07:09 <Nothing\> Halcyon, you'd be surprised how seawless a ittle .5 to .75in hole drilled in the corner of your ceiling can bea
08:15 * steve30 diphenhydramines
09:13 <Nothing\> the fuck was that
09:18 <Nothing\> it sounded like an elephant
09:20 <Nothing\> seriously
10:48 <Nothing\> lol motorcycle apparently
10:57 <Nothing\> i was just half asleep so it sounded weird
11:10 <Nothing\> and it sounded weird to begin with
12:58 <Halcyon> Nothing\, I was more talking to mount the antenna on top of the external roof
13:08 <Halcyon> I have a duct leading from my server rack to the roof cavity
16:15 <Halcyon> T3sl4: https://youtu.be/-VRoENuIOwE?t=3
16:16 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: Can Cats Walk On Bean Bag Fillings?
17:02 <electrohead> my glazed ass is going to bed, goodnight guys o/
17:02 <T3sl4> stay frost(ing)y
17:02 <Halcyon> Night DH
17:02 <MrMobodies> Hello
17:02 <MrMobodies> I just found some sad news in the supporters loungue, Dave Jones mother passed away on the 12th of Auguest in intensive car.
17:02 <T3sl4> Halcyon: https://imgur.com/gallery/xcqudSz
17:02 <EEVBot> [Title] - Sheâs wiging itâ¦ - Album on Imgur
17:02 <T3sl4> MrMobodies: ah, that sucks
17:02 <MrMobodies> Is it my perception or is Dave Jones looking a little weak in his latest video: https://youtu.be/suf3VWqs5zw?t=405
17:02 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: EEVblog 1413 - Micsig CP2100B Current Probe TEARDOWN + TEST
17:02 <MrMobodies> aah... if it is it would be the mother passing away.
17:02 <MrMobodies> and I thought he sounded a little different too
17:02 <MrMobodies> but interesting teardown
19:19 <T3sl4> https://i.imgur.com/Fc3h6EX.jpg kinda applies
24:12 <Halcyon> T3sl4: Maybe she's born with it....
24:40 <T3sl4> ah, you read the comment
24:47 <Halcyon> Comment?
24:58 <Halcyon> Ohhh haha clever :P
25:27 <Halcyon> He sounds OK to me MrMobodies, he usually does on these live streams
27:36 <T3sl4> also Halcyon irl https://imgur.com/gallery/H7PsGDC
27:38 <EEVBot> [Title] - Hell yeah I'm into BDSM - Album on Imgur
32:18 <Halcyon> Nah, not a fan of slobber dogs
58:57 <EEVBot> [Twitter] - eevblog - I went to the dumpster room and all I got was these lousy wheels. https://t.co/c7kYKleUps
02:19 <T3sl4> Halcyon: seems like a bad idea
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08:38 <Halcyon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SveTyQ-M3Zw
08:38 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: Karen thinks "Women Can't Be Arrested"..
08:55 <Halcyon> Some people just need a good slap
12:39 <Halcyon> Hey T3sticuli...
12:41 <Halcyon> Tell me this...
13:38 <Halcyon> Two-pronged surge protectors, i.e. one that doesn't have an earth pin. How do they work exactly since there isn't a path for surges to flow to ground. Do they just get absorbed by MOVs or similar above a certain voltage?
44:27 <EEVBot> [Twitter] - eevblog - Interesting mRNA vaccine history. https://t.co/EHpcBU55cU https://t.co/04CuoyaUPx https://t.co/o5Im7w9pih https://t.co/sXitcs7UcJ
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54:01 <Nothing\> i think i just stumbled across a really significant connection, but the implications elude me!
54:07 <Nothing\> so get this
54:46 <Nothing\> christianity's prophet is cheese of christ
55:04 <Nothing\> and reiki? the whole point is to balance your cheese
55:47 <Nothing\> so there's gotta be something about cheese and the precise balancing of it that must be connected to some sort of spiritual powers
57:03 <Nothing\> i would suggest that we start be all going and getting some cheese from our fridges and balance it on your nose. We'll see what happens and go from there
03:31 * Nothing\ sings
03:37 <Nothing\> LOOK AT ME
03:39 <Nothing\> I'M PETER PAN!
03:44 <Nothing\> I'M A LITTLE BOY FOREVER!
03:53 <Nothing\> SHIMONAH
03:56 <Halcyon> Sup Peter
03:56 <Nothing\> EEEHEEE
04:04 * Nothing\ grabs his crotch
04:28 <Nothing\> lol Halcyon
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10:54 <DogWomble> erp ... i'm mashing the keyboard again
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15:17 <Halcyon> :P
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33:31 <T3sl4> surge is differential too :P
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37:00 <Zsjoelfir> mornings
39:08 * T3sl4 zhugs the Zsjoelfir
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39:24 <Zsjoelfir> zaz!
41:01 <T3sl4> zounds!
41:07 <EEVBot> [Twitter] - eevblog - RT @TomLawrenceTech: Thermal printer living up to it's name. 🔥🔥"This is fine"🔥🔥 https://t.co/3QQPzi9hL2 https://t.co/RZMN2QBL9N
41:48 <K> hello gaskets
42:19 <Zsjoelfir> Hello O-Ring
42:25 <T3sl4> hello flange
49:00 <K> hello bellies
55:13 <Halcyon> Hello crackling
58:02 <T3sl4> hi
59:48 <Halcyon> Speaking of pork
59:52 <Halcyon> Hello T3sl4
00:08 * T3sl4 oinks Halcyon
00:24 <Halcyon> I'd love to give you a good porking some day T3sl4
00:24 <K> boinks
00:35 <Halcyon> Make my little pork belly bites with a chilli/soy dip
01:04 <steve30> I've just been getting the Canon XL1 set up to take out with me later
01:11 <T3sl4> i'm sure you would
02:07 * K overhangs some
02:09 <Halcyon> Where are you going steve30 ?
02:14 <Halcyon> Did you go to Tesco yet?
02:15 <steve30> sheffield
02:20 <steve30> tesco was yesterday
02:25 <Halcyon> So you made it then?
02:33 <steve30> in the meantime, I'm just reading about "microaggressions"
02:34 <steve30> yes
02:42 <Halcyon> Do tell
03:17 <steve30> well, these articles are about how to deal with them, but they don't say what a microaggression actually is.
03:33 <Halcyon> Is it when you get pissed off for short periods of time?
05:16 <steve30> The last i really heard about them was when a university here in England decided that if you don't make eye contact with a black person when they walk past you, that is a racist microaggression, but they got called out in the news for it :D.
05:30 <Halcyon> Ohhhh
05:34 <Halcyon> Sounds like bullshit
05:49 <steve30> so, probably some political correctness stuff
05:57 <Halcyon> Lots of people don't like making eye contact with strangers... or people who intimidate them or authority figures
06:04 <Halcyon> Simple human behaviour
10:20 <T3sl4> how's it hangin?
10:29 <T3sl4> aside from "some over", that is
11:02 <K> it is getting a bit chilly
12:34 <T3sl4> i could go for some of that
14:02 <K> 16C outside today
15:14 * T3sl4 offers steve30 a tea
25:33 <Zsjoelfir> woah, that sounds beautiful K
25:40 <Zsjoelfir> we have 18 :(
27:05 <K> horrible.
37:38 <Zsjoelfir> Yes!
48:57 <Zsjoelfir> mornings
51:30 <Halcyon> Hello Zsjoelfir
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00:27 <steve30> hi Zsjoelfir
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02:22 <Zsjoelfir> hello you two
02:35 <Halcyon> How are you?
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06:33 <DogWomble> OK if anyone wants to join in on some more stream quality testing - http://cp7.digistream.info:12308/index.html?sid=1
06:34 <EEVBot> [Title] - Shoutcast Server
06:45 <Halcyon> Hey you lot, more audio testing
07:00 <Halcyon> kiska, looking at you
07:24 <kiska> But why?
07:29 <Halcyon> *shrug*
07:30 <Halcyon> Join us?
09:13 <Halcyon> steve30 *prod*
09:17 <kiska> :D
09:19 <Halcyon> One day I'll get you on Discord
09:27 <kiska> One day?
15:28 <K> drugs are expensive too
18:07 <K> well, except if it is brake fluid or antifreeze
18:12 <K> but even then
18:27 <Halcyon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fz4ZMLsPzqM
18:28 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: Visiting the COLDEST CITY in the World (-71°C, -96°F) YAKUTSK / YAKUTIA
18:32 <Halcyon> Fuck... that!
18:51 <K> drink, supposedly
19:05 <K> more of a urban folk tale
20:34 <kiska> https://twitter.com/Dadsaysjokes/status/1427734608385347586 :D
21:38 <T3sl4> buh
21:49 <T3sl4> does lcsc catalog filtering just... not work?!
22:32 <T3sl4> s-pear me your puns
23:39 <K> aren't kiwis songless birds?
23:44 <K> yall sound british
24:04 <Halcyon> How do I sound British!?
24:11 <K> as fuck
24:30 <T3sl4> wait, maybe it is? hard to tell, ugh
25:00 <K> i play online games in uk comunity for near 10 years now, and you sound quite brittish
25:16 <K> quite distinct form americans
27:06 <K> it is magic
28:03 * T3sl4 sprinkles K on it
32:25 <Halcyon> It's because we don't sound silly? :P
33:06 <K> it depends, mostly on the level of blood-alcohol level
33:18 <Halcyon> Well I'm fucked then
33:50 <T3sl4> pickled and fucked, it seems
34:51 <K> magic, not special!
35:35 <Halcyon> Are you even listening T3sl4 ?
36:08 <T3sl4> to the ramblings of a drunkard? pfft
37:39 <K> several drunkards, even
41:12 <T3sl4> oh, right
41:19 * T3sl4 sprinkles milk on K instead
42:10 * Halcyon garnishes with strawberries
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43:12 <kiska> Halcyon: https://www.liquorland.com.au/red-wine/hidden-gem-cabernet-merlot-750ml_9861816 :D
43:13 <EEVBot> [Title] - Liquorland | Buy Beer, Wine, Spirits & Ciders at Great Prices
45:46 <K> prolly makes a good wood stain
46:06 <kiska> :D https://www.liquorland.com.au/red-wine/lindemans-bin-45-cabernet-sauvignon-750ml_15974
46:07 <EEVBot> [Title] - 302 Found
46:11 <K> and you get to keep the bottle!
46:16 <T3sl4> Merlot is just the biblical character Lot with a fishy bottom half.
46:24 <K> haha
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46:59 * T3sl4 puts Halcyon away in the cabernet
47:20 <Halcyon> \o/
48:25 <kiska> Oh :D https://www.liquorland.com.au/red-wine/jacob-s-creek-1847-pinot-noir-750ml_3666294
48:27 <EEVBot> [Title] - 302 Found
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53:26 <kiska> Have 2 cans of this in my fridge https://www.firstchoiceliquor.com.au/beer/urbanaut-hermosa-brut-hazy-ipa-can-440ml_3942132
53:28 <EEVBot> [Title] - First Choice Liquor | Buy Wine, Beer, Cider & Spirits Online
54:03 <jaymax> Mmmm, ketamine-powdered strawberries.
54:36 <kiska> https://www.firstchoiceliquor.com.au/beer/naughty-booch-watermelon-cucumber-lime-can-330ml_3587212
54:38 <EEVBot> [Title] - First Choice Liquor | Buy Wine, Beer, Cider & Spirits Online
54:56 <DogWomble> https://www.danmurphys.com.au/product/DM_87924/stone-wood-pacific-ale-cans-375ml
54:57 <EEVBot> [Title] - Access Denied
58:13 * steve30 has rice
59:09 * Halcyon throws some pepper steak at steve30 
59:32 * jaymax whips up a rice pudding and tops it with the k-berries.
00:03 * jaymax prompty spears it onto Halcyon's face
00:14 <Halcyon> Bitch
00:25 <jaymax> ...promptly smears....
00:51 <Halcyon> Oh baby
01:56 <T3sl4> britney's back?
02:15 <Halcyon> She never left bitchhhh
02:17 <Halcyon> :P
02:23 * T3sl4 steals kiska
03:14 <T3sl4> steve30: https://i.imgur.com/PrkUHIe.jpg
03:53 <kiska> Halcyon: https://twitter.com/Dadsaysjokes/status/1427734527217176586
03:53 <Halcyon> Bahahahaha
03:58 <Halcyon> Love it
04:08 <Halcyon> Very nice :P
04:40 <T3sl4> i expected no less :P
04:55 <Halcyon> I'm sure those places aren't pronounced phonetically... for example... Cock Alley = Cokkerly ?
07:31 <steve30> depends on the place
07:47 <steve30> penistone is pronounced like a pen which you'd write with
07:58 <steve30> rather than halcyon-parts
08:09 <Halcyon> Hehehe... penis
08:19 <DogWomble> https://www.twitch.tv/mrdollinger/clip/WittyPoliteCardArsonNoSexy?filter=clips&range=all&sort=time
08:20 <EEVBot> [Title] - Twitch
08:30 <K> what about twatt?
09:01 <steve30> On that subject, I had a teacher at school called Mrs Cocker.
09:34 <Halcyon> Again, "Hehehe... penis" seems to be the appropriate response
10:58 <steve30> we also had a Mr Hancock.
11:03 * T3sl4 gives Halcyon Cockburn
11:49 <jaymax> The Backoffice has this "Pen Island" segment on occasion. But because of the font used (which makes the kerning unintuitive), I usually read it as "Penis Land". I must be a descendant of Sean Connery.
13:02 <K> watch out steve, you'll get worked on!
13:15 <T3sl4> DogWomble: nice one
13:53 <Halcyon> T3sl4, pronounced "coburn"?
14:05 <T3sl4> yes
14:16 <T3sl4> as i recall, he's a modestly popular signer in canada
14:30 <Halcyon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ex7GIYjhM-c
14:31 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: Dylan Hollis - 7UP JELLO SALAD (TikTok Vintage Recipe)
14:35 <Halcyon> I love this guy
15:00 <Halcyon> There is a popular old sketch show here that plays on that: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uff6XA9bmAE
15:01 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: Cockburn - The Micallef P(r)ogram(me)
15:35 <steve30> When I leave a comment on LBRY, it says it was posted 'in 5 minutes'. Why is that?
16:59 <jaymax> Blockchain is perpetually-outdated technology
19:24 <Halcyon> Indeed, it's like looking at stars
21:13 <T3sl4> Halcyon: i've seen subtler sketches on SNL
21:18 <T3sl4> tho admittedly, not many
23:19 <jaymax> Sounds about right. If SNL had too many, they'd risk being funny.
24:11 <jaymax> They really stopped trying after MadTV went off the air.
28:24 <steve30> I got an email from Google
28:26 <steve30> "You changed the location of Ravenfield Medical Centre, which has now been seen over 40,000 times. Thanks for making such a valuable edit to the map."
34:23 <T3sl4> https://i.imgur.com/w2XiWUC.jpg *field
36:20 <T3sl4> and, s/we don't/40,000/
37:03 <T3sl4> oh hey, the sky's finally beginning to light up
37:52 <jaymax> ...But 40,000 go there anymore. ...?
38:37 <jaymax> More like a s/we/40,000/ ;^)
38:45 <Zsjoelfir> eww.... I hate my body right now.
39:01 <T3sl4> they have pills for that
39:07 * jaymax loves Zsjoelfir body instead
39:48 <Zsjoelfir> Indeed they have, T3sl4. they are called Vertigo-Vomex and Vomex (without vertigo). But sad ting is: they make you tired as fuck.
39:58 * Zsjoelfir is loved by jaymax.
40:06 * Zsjoelfir is happy, I guess
40:37 * T3sl4 hug-restrains Zsjoelfir until he's convinced he isn't spinning anymore
40:58 <Zsjoelfir> yay!
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49:08 <DHess_US> Accordion to a recent survey, 7 out of 10 people don't notice when a word in a sentence is replaced by a music instrument.
50:35 * Halcyon hugs Zsjoelfir 
52:24 <Ampera> good morgan.
53:43 <DHess_US> It isn't good until I have coffee.
56:37 * Ampera hugs Halcyon 
56:41 <Halcyon> YAY
56:41 <Ampera> how are you halcy
56:53 <Halcyon> I'm OK, getting sleepy
57:00 <Halcyon> How are you?
57:04 <Ampera> Just woke up
57:11 <Ampera> took my bowl of pills :P
57:17 <Halcyon> Hooray
57:19 <Halcyon> Did they work?
57:27 <Ampera> diphenhydramine, caffeine, aspirin, spironolactone, and estradiol
57:40 <Halcyon> Weeeeee :)
57:55 <Ampera> I'm not sure. My face isn't so much broken out anymore, but my neck and arms are covered in bumps
59:26 <Ampera> I'm also starting to consider what sort of laptop I might want to buy
59:38 <Ampera> the idea is to wait until the new M1X macbooks come out, and then start hunting
00:11 <Halcyon> Sounds like a plan
00:26 <T3sl4> mess with DHess_US, you're going to be in treble
01:14 <EEVBot> [Twitter] - eevblog - RT @AirWaterSnow: @eevblog https://t.co/AvDLTUofiC
01:19 <DHess_US> I'll toss you over a clef.
01:25 * T3sl4 gives Ampera a hug
02:05 * Ampera gives T3sl4 a happy feeling
02:24 <T3sl4> owo
05:23 <K> cease.
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06:58 <T3sl4> crease
07:33 <Ampera> grease
07:54 * Ampera rubs T3sl4 with four seasons
08:14 * T3sl4 sends Ampera to the old bay
09:11 <Ampera> https://i.imgur.com/qrhc26M.jpeg
09:57 <T3sl4> this pic is cancer
10:07 <Ampera> delicious cancer
10:29 * T3sl4 carcinizes Ampera
10:41 * Ampera submerges T3sl4 in creosote
10:54 * T3sl4 eats a thin mint
12:38 <K> giant johnson
13:40 <EEVBot> [Twitter] - eevblog - RT @_workchronicles: Adding more people to a project https://t.co/e2etsD8O7I
13:44 <T3sl4> that looks just like a
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20:18 <Zsjoelfir> woohoo!
20:22 * Zsjoelfir got medicationses!
20:51 * Zsjoelfir is now hiiiii-iiiiii-iiiiii-iiiiiii-iiiiiiiigh (on emotions!)
22:52 <T3sl4> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeYsTmIzjkw
22:53 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: Afroman - Because I Got High (Official Video)
23:14 <Zsjoelfir> Not quite
46:46 <+electrohead> o/
46:51 * Ampera hugs electrohead 
46:53 <Ampera> how are you doing
49:18 <+electrohead> better than you, today
49:21 <+electrohead> well, I'm guessing
49:23 <+electrohead> lol
49:26 <+electrohead> you? :p
49:28 <Ampera> why would you be better than me
49:32 <Ampera> I'm doing just fine, writing tests.
49:53 <+electrohead> because you hate everything from time to time, whereas I only hate myself randomly
49:55 <Ampera> I did a test of the server backup script I wrote in PHP last night, worked pretty well
50:12 <Ampera> I don't hate everything, it's just that people don't care when I say I like things.
50:22 <+electrohead> so you're liking PHP?
50:22 <Ampera> they only focus on when I hate things, as negative people tend to do
50:32 <Ampera> It's not bad. There are things I don't like and there are things I do like
50:53 <Ampera> It's something I could certainly not mind working in.
51:20 <K> i'll repeat myself by saying that modern php is quite nice to work with
51:39 <K> but do not get yourself talked into touching old crap
51:51 <+electrohead> yeah it's not bad at all
51:52 <K> unless it is $$$$$
52:07 <Ampera> It has a lot of useful little helper functions, and uses null in a manner I am familiar with and appreciate. While it is weakly typed, it's not as bad as, say, Javascript
52:48 <K> the null usage comes mainly from glib-ish approach to userland functions
52:59 <K> and libc-ish
53:09 <K> and Perl (shudder)
53:17 <Ampera> It also seems like PHP does have type checking as far as function arguments go
53:27 <Ampera> (optional, I mean)
53:27 <K> recent versions do yea
53:42 <Ampera> which is pretty much the biggest bother with weakly typed languages
53:43 <K> what do you use to write code?
53:53 <Ampera> I proudly use nano.
53:57 <K> ah.
54:14 <K> well, i could suggest you try PhpStorm
54:15 <Ampera> and no vim gestapo is going to convince me otherwise >:D
54:35 <K> it has very nice inspections and stuff and makes life so much easier
54:45 <Ampera> My present development environment has no X
54:49 <K> ah.
54:54 <Ampera> it's TTY based stuff only
55:12 <Ampera> I'm not using PHP for anything web based at present, I'm using it for server maintenance stuff
56:50 <Ampera> From a sysadmin perspective I'm also excited for the advent of JIT in PHP8, though I'm kinda surprised/disappointed at its surprisingly small performance benefits for common software like mediawiki
56:55 <Ampera> which is the bulk of what I am presently dealing with
57:01 <+electrohead> https://thevaluable.dev/vim-php-ide/
57:02 <EEVBot> [Title] - Vim for PHP: The Complete Guide for a Powerful PHP IDE
57:08 <Ampera> no thanks
57:10 <Ampera> I'll stick with nano
57:21 <K> for static analysis you might wanna see phpstan and psalm
58:24 <Ampera> I'm really quite used to old fashioned debugging. If I were writing something more serious or web-oriented, I'd consider a real development environment for PHP
59:16 <K> for wiki-type of stuff performance would come from smart caching, less from raw php throughput
59:23 <Ampera> the main reason I even used PHP for my backup script is because bourne/bash is such a hard language to program for
59:33 <K> bash is write only
59:45 <K> and ugly af
59:46 <Ampera> Oh we already do caching, primarily image caching through cloudflare
00:03 <Ampera> Bourne has the advantage of being nearly universal among unix and unix-likes
00:28 <Ampera> Despite being written in PHP, the backup script is also written in bash, as the nitty gritty of archiving, compressing, and encrypting is done using exec commands
00:31 <K> html content caching i mean, with something like varnish or likes
00:41 <+electrohead> Ampera: what's your thoughts on emacs?
00:49 <Ampera> K, mediawiki has its own caching system built in
01:09 <Ampera> electrohead, I've used it, I never ended up finding any of its macros or special features to be helpful for how I use a text editor
01:25 <Ampera> that's one of the main reasons I'm hesitant to dedicate serious time into learning vim, simply because I do not believe it will save me much time in the end
01:25 <+electrohead> I've used it too, but could never get used to it
01:56 <Ampera> I can at least use emacs in a pinch, if I even want to use vi/vim I need to look up how to do anything in it
02:10 <Ampera> the worst I'd have to do is look up the key combos to save/quit in emacs
02:13 <+electrohead> online?
02:29 <K> just open second terminall and kill it
02:37 <Ampera> I'm aware vi/vim has built in documentation, but if I wanted to use that, I'd have to google how to get to it
02:38 <+electrohead> there's a built in help within vim, btw
02:45 <+electrohead> lol
02:48 <+electrohead> :help
03:01 <Ampera> tell me that in a few months when I'm faced with actually using it
03:02 <K> yeah, you write :help and it mocks you
03:07 <+electrohead> lol
03:49 <+electrohead> I've found over time, that vim is just like anything else that's new to you/a person
04:13 <Ampera> Oh I'm sure I could gain some benefit from it, but I do not believe that benefit is worth the investment, and I do not enjoy its cult-like status.
04:24 <+electrohead> at first, (you) don't like it, can't figure it out, hate on it. then once you get using it, it's like.. oh, shit, ok I like this one feature. then same thing over time, again
04:33 <Ampera> The editor wars have been going on since before you or I were born, and they will go on well past the day you or I die
05:05 <Ampera> I think another one of the major hurdles vim presents me is a lot of its keyboard layout is oriented towards people who touch type/home row
05:12 <Ampera> which I don't, and under no circumstances ever will
05:20 <+electrohead> heh, that's like the cult-like status with arch linux; I hate the cult-like status, yet I still use it. it's up to the user to be in, or be out, of the cult :p
05:38 <Ampera> I ultimately plan to one day write my own editor that has all the features I want out of a TUI editor, I just haven't gotten around to finishing it
06:03 <Ampera> I've thought about getting out of arch for that reason, but it works, and it's how I learned Linux
06:04 <+electrohead> https://xkcd.com/927/
06:05 <EEVBot> [Title] - xkcd: Standards
06:25 <Ampera> I may one day drop it for FreeBSD if the linuxulator ever becomes something I can seriously daily drive
07:09 <Ampera> Debian easily has as much of a cult following, but it tends to be a lot more invasive to the end user, with an often inescapable "Debian way" of doing things
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