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02:41 <K> ah, but i need the sampl-and-hold, because there will be terrible artefacts due to ports on xmega being 8bit, and i need to push out 2x16 bits for one sample
03:21 <K> well, maybe not so terrible, as it is running at 32MHz, but still - some non-identical glitches might get through
09:12 <DHess_US> No
10:23 <K> those will get eaten by stray l/r ?
10:44 <DHess_US> You could use a set of external 8-bit registers, or even better, use a pair of 74HC595s in series and then the -load pin sets all of the outputs at the same time.
11:51 <DHess_US> The 74HC595 converts synchronous serial to an 8-bit parallel output, so now you also only need 3 output pins on your xmega.
12:09 <K> not sure i can feed it fast enough
12:30 <DHess_US> or an SPI or I2C port.
12:42 <DHess_US> Or USART
13:06 <K> and i kinda want try it first this way
13:14 <DHess_US> Could use 2 serial outs and feed them in parallel.
13:45 <K> i've seen the serial-to-parallel ic dacs yea
14:19 <DHess_US> 74HC373 then if you want to use 8-bit latches.
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15:01 <DHess_US> Would take 4 of them though, although the layout is easy.
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15:30 <DHess_US> There might be a better chip.
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16:19 <K> ill keep this in mind
17:05 <K> another dark horse is output resistances
17:31 <DHess_US> chips like the 595 are also nice because they have bus driver outputs with lower impedance.
17:44 <K> with xmega being one ic, i kinda hope that those will be somewhat equal
18:18 <DHess_US> If you are hoping for a 16 bit DAC this way, forget it.
18:34 <K> yea i think i've seen 595 in dacs like this
18:51 <K> nah, it is just an complicatd excercise
18:51 <DHess_US> Cheaper to buy a real 16-bit integrated DAC.
19:26 <K> i have a apogee groove for my listening needs, that is covered
20:21 <K> true 16 bits most likely is not possible for discretes
21:07 <K> would need crazy matched resistors
21:24 <K> including tempcos and whatnot
23:45 <K> this complementary-discrete-r2r-dac idea was something i discussed with my father quite some years ago, but we never got to do anything about it
24:29 <K> mainly because at the time i was more into computer stuff and then a bit later it was too late
26:19 <DHess_US> No, it is possible, but it requires a different design.
26:38 <DHess_US> Like a segmented current mode DAC
26:55 <DHess_US> It can use a combination of r-r2 and binary weighted current sources.
27:36 <DHess_US> They used to be made in module form.
32:39 <K> uh, that looks more complicated
35:21 <K> but is interesting
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37:37 <K> could get somewhat big for full 16 bits
40:00 <arch> huh, i just learned about the super lift luo topology. why are these uncommon T3sl4?
40:06 <arch> https://www.irjet.net/archives/V2/i3/Irjet-v2i380.pdf
40:08 <EEVBot> [Title] - 403 Forbidden
40:22 <arch> looks easy enough to drive, low side switch, and very high gain
40:43 <arch> but no short circuit protection
41:12 <arch> although, you could put a high side load switch i guess
42:37 <T3sl4> just another kind of boost i guess
43:22 <DHess_US> most of its advantage is at higher input voltages.
46:09 <arch> yeah i was reading a book, and they made 5kV from 24V input. a regular boost would have a ridiculously short off-time. but their conv had 80% duty for 5kV output
46:38 <arch> 20% off time is pretty good at such high duty. and im sure they only need a small amount of current at 5kV
46:58 <T3sl4> that's what a transformer is for..?!
47:10 <arch> yeah but they didnt wanna use a trafo
47:14 <arch> they used that topology :D
48:04 <T3sl4> i don't get it, what prevents the switch from exploding
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51:15 * Ampera gives T3sl4 a sledgehammer and asks for a headache cure
51:50 * T3sl4 plays Ampera some Peter Gabriel
51:54 <coppice> Ampera: I have a cure for ham but not headaches
52:16 <T3sl4> coppice: https://i.imgur.com/Gnmwqv2.jpg
52:20 <Ampera> the cure for ham is obviously a spark gap transmitter
53:03 <Ampera> T3sl4, still better than our healthcare system
53:09 <coppice> T3sl4: thanks. That's a cartoon I've been wanting to see for a long time
53:39 <Ampera> Hospitals would be so much nicer if they made hams instead of vegetables
55:44 <coppice> Ampera: steamed hams?
56:26 <coppice> "Can you defeat stealth?" "We'll have to see."
56:33 * Ampera rips the front door off its hinges, passes it to coppice and asks him to take it
57:26 <T3sl4> coppice: the other popular one is something like https://i.imgur.com/DZD3sNh.jpg
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23:57 <Ysjoelfir_Notebook> Itse meeee, me!
24:08 <Ysjoelfir_Notebook> wait. I should.....
25:25 <Ysjoelfir_Notebook> hrmpf. Ampera, what was your bouncers IP and port again? <3
25:51 <Ampera> ipv4.amperaa.net:2186
25:51 <EEVBot> I don't think so.
26:28 <Ampera> actually
26:31 <Ampera> use znc.amperaa.net:2186
26:32 <EEVBot> I don't think so.
26:36 <+electrohead> lol.
26:45 <Ampera> I set that up, and iirc it has the correct IPv6 for the VM the ZNC is on
34:33 <Ysjoelfir> perfect
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34:50 <Ysjoelfir> thanks Ampera
53:07 <steve30> hi
54:24 * Ampera hugs and pets steve30 
07:31 * steve30 purrs
14:18 <Ysjoelfir> steve30!!!!!!!!!111
14:22 * Ysjoelfir hugs the steve
14:45 <Ysjoelfir> steve, what did zou do to Lemon_? it didnät respond to my whatsapp message
15:38 <steve30> I didn't do anything. Maybe Ampera made him into lemonade.
15:53 <Ampera> >.>
16:42 * Ampera sips conspicuously
29:18 * Ysjoelfir cheers to Ampera
29:28 <Ysjoelfir> so, Ampera, any idea what happened?
29:36 * Ysjoelfir sips some of Ampera 's lemonade
29:37 <Ampera> in terms of?
29:41 <Ampera> Lemon?
30:08 <Ysjoelfir> yes.
30:16 <Ysjoelfir> delicious lemonade, btw
30:45 <Ampera> Probably just doing something with his life
31:01 <Ampera> he's on the ZNC, so him being in the channel doesn't mean he's actually here
31:36 <Ampera> Ysjoelfir, what's your opinion on Deutsche Telekom, out of curiosity
32:08 <Ysjoelfir> I know the znc part. i find it strange that he didnät even receive the msg on whatsapp
32:23 <Ysjoelfir> regarding tcom: getting better and more reasonably priced in recent years
32:24 <Ampera> probably just offline
32:43 <Ysjoelfir> always had the best net here in germany, but was just WAY overpriced
32:53 <Ysjoelfir> offline for.... 3 days?
32:55 <Ysjoelfir> thats unusual
32:56 <Ampera> had a fun phone chat with a guy from the other channel the other day who was complaining it
33:00 <Ampera> he went AWOL for months
33:03 <Ampera> doesn't seem that unusual to me
33:08 <Ysjoelfir> true
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34:04 <Ysjoelfir> what was mr. guy complaining about?
34:20 <Ampera> them being a monopoly with shitty service and bad prices
37:45 <Ysjoelfir> thats pretty true
37:56 <Ysjoelfir> but its not a monopoly (everywhere) anymore
47:30 <rust_collector> but I am
47:35 <rust_collector> and hello
48:37 * Ampera plays with rust_collector's monopoly
49:21 <rust_collector> see? I am everywhere
49:53 <Ampera> I am so sick of this day I am ready for it to be yesterday again :P
50:23 <rust_collector> yes, why make it simple
50:41 <Ampera> can't spell simple without simp
51:28 <rust_collector> ........
52:08 <Ampera> that's a lot of period, do you need a tampon?
52:51 <rust_collector> yes please. a pack of tampons with vodka
53:00 <Ampera> soaked with?
53:07 <rust_collector> yes
53:25 <Ampera> ah, the new jersey pregnant mother's special
53:30 <rust_collector> mmhmm
55:38 <rust_collector> we had a song about that, I guess it was in the mid 90s... let me see
55:58 <rust_collector> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aD8XCvxatFw
55:58 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: luxus leverpostei tampong fest
56:10 <rust_collector> butt, it is just in weird language, so...
02:58 <Ampera> rust_collector, I think you guys need to go to eurovision with that
03:03 <Ampera> you'd at the very least put Germany to shame
03:38 <rust_collector> well, we could send a pine cone, and still beat germany in eurovision
03:59 <Ampera> honestly you guys could just refuse to show up and still probably beat Germany
04:22 <rust_collector> well, yes. but we like to pretend we care
04:44 <Ampera> I can only imagine 2010 happened because someone at the EBU lost a bet
05:12 <rust_collector> was that...uuh. uhm. lena, was it?
05:47 <Ampera> yeah
05:51 <Ampera> I mean in fairness it was a decent song
05:59 <Ampera> but if anything that makes it even more baffling
06:17 <rust_collector> for that contest, I guess it is not bad
06:45 <rust_collector> whoa! she is old now
09:49 <rust_collector> ok, I don't know, but.. this is a picture: https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/muppet/images/9/94/Lenaindersesamstrasse115_v-original.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/1000?cb=20180116145905
09:53 <Ampera> 30 years
09:55 <Ampera> not really that old
10:00 <rust_collector> oooold
10:11 <Ampera> honestly I almost expected her to be a bit older, but she was fairly young when she won
10:13 <Ampera> and it wasn't that long ago
10:16 <rust_collector> she was 5 or something when she was on tv
10:23 <Ampera> hahaha
10:31 <Ampera> well it was 10 years ago, so presumably 20
10:43 <rust_collector> yeah
10:46 <rust_collector> maybe
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22:05 <Ysjoelfir> I hated that song
22:20 <Ysjoelfir> she couldnät even pronounce correct english words
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22:28 <rust_collector> meh
22:56 <Ysjoelfir> yes.#
24:17 <rust_collector> it was still better than 93% of eurovision songs
25:24 <Ysjoelfir> it fitted the show, yes
27:28 <rust_collector> heh, this is a weird video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDBzeM6KLlQ
27:29 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: Röyksopp - Never Ever ft. Susanne Sundfør
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50:18 <Halcyon> Morning
50:41 <steve30> hi Halcyon
51:10 <steve30> I might go and snuggle up in bed
51:22 <Halcyon> Heheh hi Steve, bye Stebe
51:24 <Halcyon> *Seve
51:26 <Halcyon> Steve
51:27 <Halcyon> Fuck
52:08 <steve30> You are welcome to tuck me in :)
52:32 <Halcyon> ;-)
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01:08 * Ampera hugs Halcyon
01:17 <Halcyon> :D
01:19 <Halcyon> Morning Ampera
01:33 <Ampera> top o' the headache to you too Halcyon
01:41 <Halcyon> Why do you have a headache?
01:55 <Ampera> What a strange question
02:06 <Ampera> as if headaches usually have defined causes
02:20 <Nothing\> fuckfuckasnktieoastinoaebtsnoaetst
02:20 <Nothing\> .
02:24 <Halcyon> Yes?
02:26 <Nothing\> kj;2.,3'UE Ka11*-
02:34 <Nothing\> SORRY
02:35 <Nothing\> fuck
02:36 <Halcyon> Having fun there Nothing\ ?
02:39 <Nothing\> no
02:43 <Nothing\> farfucking from it
02:44 * steve30 has a headache earlier
02:49 * Nothing\ sobs
02:50 <Halcyon> What's wrong?
03:01 <Nothing\> my brother had several strokes and seizures
03:01 * Ampera hugs Nothing\
03:05 <Nothing\> he's in the hospital right now
03:13 <Halcyon> Oh gees, that's not good.
03:16 <Halcyon> Has he had them before?
03:17 <Nothing\> i was just on the phone with him and he started having a stroke again
03:28 <Nothing\> couldn't talk, like he knew the words but he couldn't speak
03:37 <Ampera> All the best, here's hoping all the world for him, Nothing\
03:42 <Nothing\> thankfully my mom got there just as it was happening
03:44 <Nothing\> thanks Ampera
04:06 <Halcyon> I suppose if he's going to have them anywhere, at least he is in the best place to get the care he needs
04:18 <Halcyon> But I'm sorry to hear that mate :(
04:24 <Nothing\> yeah then while i'm talking to him he's saying how he's gonna go home and take 10x his regular dose of clonazepam and 4x his dose of effexor and mix it with 2 beers and take risperidal on top of it and all this shit
04:35 <Nothing\> but that's the whole reason this happened. it's that fucking effexor
04:44 <Halcyon> Oh gees
04:50 <Nothing\> and his dipshit shrink giving him more than what the manufacturer deems a safe dose
05:10 <Nothing\> i told my mom i'm personally going to fill out complaint forms for the shrink cuz i already have them for my own complaint against him
05:13 <Halcyon> How is that even legal?
05:33 <Nothing\> making a diagnosis on me and not telling me for 3 years until i asked him about it cuz another shirnk told me about it
05:51 <Nothing\> i never even would have known what my diagnosis was unless that other shrink said anything
06:00 <Ampera> the mental health industry is fucked up
06:00 <Nothing\> meanwhile i've wasted 3 years i could have been actually treating it
06:13 <Ampera> nothing but dishonest frauds, liars, and cheats
06:22 <Nothing\> incidentally my brother and i have the same shrink
06:31 <Nothing\> Ampera, they're all in the pockets of drug companies
07:02 <Nothing\> the drug reps come by and say "hey come attend our seminar in cancun next week. It's a 1 hour seminar but we'll pay for your resort for the whole week.
07:07 <Ampera> more like all up their own asses
07:12 <Nothing\> IF you prescribe our drug
07:24 <Nothing\> i don't get it
07:36 <Nothing\> it's illegal for a doctor to give a patient incentives to use a specific pharmacy
07:37 <Halcyon> Nothing\, see, that's illegal here
07:51 <Nothing\> but it's not illegal for a drug company to give a doctor incentives for prescribing their drugs
07:51 <Ampera> doesn't matter if it's illegal
07:53 <Ampera> they do that shit anyways
07:56 <Halcyon> Drug companies can't do that, nor can doctors or drug stores push you onto any particular brand
08:18 <Nothing\> Halcyon, shit, in the US they have commercials on TV aimed at average consumers for prescription drugs
08:27 <Halcyon> Yeh that's something you'll never see here
08:33 <Ampera> I often wonder if the concept of transgender would even exist as it is today without drug companies profiting off it so much
08:36 <Nothing\> cuz the consumer's the one who ulimately decides what drug to take
08:45 <Ampera> Every person on a drug for life is another person in their pockets
08:47 <Nothing\> shit, i still remember the little mascot they had for zoloft
08:57 <Nothing\> a drug which made me try to kill myself when i was 16
09:03 * steve30 enjoys LOLing at Abilify adverts on youtube from time to time :)
09:07 <Halcyon> The most you'll ever see are ads for things like Paracetemol.
09:21 <Nothing\> Halcyon, i dunno why you'd need to advertise that
09:24 <steve30> Is zoloft the one with the blob?
09:28 <Nothing\> that's like one of the best known products ever
09:33 <Nothing\> steve30, lol yeah the sad blob
09:42 <Nothing\> and i think he had a rain cloud over him all the time, didn't he?
10:19 <Nothing\> then he'd take zoloft and instead of eating 90 tylenol with codeines like i did, he'd feel better and all of his problems would disappear magically
10:20 <Halcyon> I think the law here is, anything that requires a prescription can't be advertises directly to consumers.
10:34 <Nothing\> Halcyon, that's a damn good law
10:54 <Halcyon> Certainly is
11:16 <Nothing\> i don't mean to toot my own horn, but even i don't trust myself with knowledge of all prescription drugs
11:16 <Ampera> Prescriptions are only part of it. Mental health professionals make their money in other ways.
11:26 <Nothing\> and i've studied medicine for over 25 years
11:39 <Nothing\> of course not to the degree that one would in med school, hence why i'm not a doctor
11:51 <Halcyon> And I believe it's illegal for doctors to receive any kinds of commissions or kickbacks when prescribing drugs. In fact, even if a doctor writes a particular brand on a prescription, you as the consumer can override it and go with another brand.
11:54 <Nothing\> actually i know more about prescriptions than most doctors
11:59 <Halcyon> As long as the active ingredients and dose remain the same
12:08 <Nothing\> my own doctor even conceded that i know more about pharmacology than him
12:09 <Nothing\> lol
12:16 <Nothing\> and that's saying a lot, given the ego of a doctor
12:50 <Nothing\> i think what won him over was me adamantly trying to tell him that dextromethorphan isn't an opioid, when he was convinced that it was
13:09 <Nothing\> then a few months later he attended a seminar on the drug and learned that it really isn't an opioid and everything i was saying about how it works was true
13:28 <Nothing\> i wasn't just some quack who misinterpretted some webmd crap
13:35 <Halcyon> Heh
13:47 <+electrohead> o/
13:53 <Nothing\> hey electrohead
14:08 <Nothing\> well for what it's worth guys, this conversation has helped take my mind off of things
14:18 <+electrohead> hey mate
14:18 <Nothing\> i'm at least not sobbing and crying uncontrollably anymore
14:20 <+electrohead> how goes it?
14:22 <Ampera> Count Dankula released a mad lads today about a German guy who managed to fake himself into a fairly high end doctor's position in mental health simply by making shit up
14:27 <Nothing\> electrohead, ^
14:30 <Nothing\> heh
14:32 <+electrohead> I see
14:34 <Nothing\> yeah
14:40 <Nothing\> my brother had several strokes and seizures
14:44 <+electrohead> I'm setting up a 3D printer currently
14:45 <Halcyon> Nothing\, that's what we're here for
14:49 <+electrohead> damn, dude
15:04 <Ampera> he lasted 2 years in the position, during which not a single person ever questioned him once, despite him completely and totally bullshitting every single lecture he ever did
15:09 <Nothing\> then while i was talking to him in the hospital on the phone he had another stroke where he couldn't talk even though he knew the words
15:13 <Nothing\> fuck i can't remember what that's called
15:22 <Nothing\> i wanna say aphasia but that's not being able to recognize things
15:45 <Nothing\> oh
15:47 <Nothing\> it is aphasia
15:49 <Halcyon> Oh Ampera, I got the modem set up on my Windows 2000 VM via a USB to RS232 dongle
15:52 <Halcyon> Works so well
15:56 <Ampera> what modem
15:58 <Halcyon> I just need my phone thing
16:01 <Nothing\> oh that's right
16:12 <Halcyon> A Mitsubishi Electric Diamond Voice 56SE
16:23 <Nothing\> agnosia is the inability to recognize things, cuz prosopagnosia is the very specific condition of being unable to recognize faces
16:39 <Nothing\> you can see faces, but you don't recognize them as having any unique features
17:31 <steve30> For some reason I have Technology Connections, and Xhamster open at the same time.
17:36 <Nothing\> it's really interesting cuz the fact that we can have a condition where we don't recognize faces, but can still recognize other objects tells scientists that there's a completely separate part of our brain that's responsible for facial recognition, from the part responsible for object recognition
17:44 <Halcyon> steve30, what's xhamster?
17:48 <Nothing\> steve30, that's some weird kinks
18:02 <Nothing\> Halcyon, it's a fine porn site
18:07 <steve30> Halcyon, sounds like something you'd know about
18:08 <Halcyon> :P
18:10 <Nothing\> also pretty old
18:12 <steve30> xhamster.com
18:12 <Ampera> porn is boring
18:16 <Halcyon> Never heard of it
18:20 <Nothing\> it's been around forever
18:33 <Nothing\> Ampera, honestly i can't even remember the last time i watched porn
18:38 <Ampera> Halcyon, because your idea of sex is sitting in your garage and fiddling with a wang
18:40 <Nothing\> it's been at least a year
18:52 <Halcyon> Ampera: That's also your idea of fun
19:07 <steve30> I don't have a fetish for either Gas Lamps or Alec, I just figured I was more in the mood for porn.
19:13 <Nothing\> Ampera, i think everybody in here would love to sit in a garage or workshop and fiddle with their wang
19:17 <Nothing\> especially a well stocked one
19:34 <Nothing\> just gotta watch that lathe
19:47 <Nothing\> don't wanna stub your crotch on that thing
19:49 <Ampera> I gain no pleasure from fiddling with my wang. Halcyon's wang is a lot cooler though, I'd love to play with his.
20:18 <Nothing\> fuuuuuck
20:24 <Nothing\> i REALLY need to invest in a punching bag
20:29 <Nothing\> i keep telling my mom this
20:41 <Nothing\> especially after i destroyed one of her dining room chairs with my bare hands
20:56 <Nothing\> and this was a solid oak chair, none of that particle board shit
21:31 <Ampera> You just need a good prescription of Fuckitol and a nice strong gentleman to tie you up inside a padded room.
21:36 <Nothing\> i think i got so angry that i caused the fastening dowels to actually phase through the chair
21:43 <Ampera> Maybe a nice 24 hour long ice cold bath
21:48 <Ampera> or even some electric shocks
22:22 <Nothing\> cuz somehow i broke the back off of it, which was secured by dowels that were locked in place by the frame of the chair, but neither the dowel, nor the frame was broken so i have no idea how it came out
22:24 <Ampera> The best kinds of unbridled rage are the ones which manage to break a few laws of physics on the way
22:38 <Nothing\> Ampera, that's basically what opioids do
22:42 <Nothing\> fuckitall
22:50 <Nothing\> you just stop caring about everything
23:03 <Ampera> I never cared in the first place, what can opioids do for me?
23:09 <Nothing\> except withdrawal, that scares the ever living shit out of every addict who knows they're addicted
23:28 <Nothing\> Ampera, i always told my drug using "friends" back in the day
23:32 <Nothing\> opioids are for the dying
23:38 <Ampera> I can't quit! The pharmacist knows be my name dude, she'd miss me!
23:51 <Ampera> *me by
24:05 <Nothing\> lol my one methadone pharmacist in the last city i worked at was like that
24:25 <Nothing\> i didn't show up the one day cuz i got my dose at the clinic, so he got worried and decided to drive by my house
24:32 <Nothing\> or so he told me
24:54 <Nothing\> he was describing this red brick building with a boat in the driveway and i'm like "dude i have no idea wtf you're on about"
25:20 <Nothing\> then he accuses me of being high because i don't know what he's talking about with this building that's apparently right down the street from where i live
25:22 <Nothing\> which it wasn't
25:26 <Ampera> yeah totally, he should have been looking for the pastel colored house with the yellow submarine out front
25:29 <Nothing\> i still have no idea wtf he was on about
25:46 <Ampera> obviously you don't work at McMethadone without sampling the fries
25:52 <Nothing\> Ampera, i think it explains why when i switched pharmacy, my methadone suddenly felt twice as strong as it was at his
25:58 <Nothing\> he was probably skimming it
26:21 <Nothing\> since it's a liquid mixed with Tang (yes they actually use Tang) they can skim whatever they want and nobody would be the wiser
26:51 <Ampera> that'd suck for any diabetics, Tang's pure sugar
26:51 <Nothing\> you might notice a difference in the taste, but that can be caused by them watering down the Tang, which they often do
27:21 <Nothing\> Ampera, it's funny you mentioned it. I actually read a paper about just that problem maybe a year or two ago.
27:37 <Nothing\> and how the sugar can cause dental problems, especially since methadone dries out the mouth
27:58 <Halcyon> I'm baking rye bread Ampera
28:04 <Nothing\> my teeth have practically fallen apart since i started methadone just from my mouth being so dry all the time. Especially at night.
28:15 <Ampera> my aspirin and paracetamol is in the other room, and I really want to go take some, but I'm just too damn lazy to get off my ass and get it
28:17 <Nothing\> Halcyon, mmm there's nothing better than freshly baked bread
28:27 <Nothing\> Halcyon, light or dark rye?
28:34 <Nothing\> or... marble?
28:38 * Nothing\ drools
28:42 <Halcyon> It'll be on the darker end of light
28:49 <Nothing\> that's just how i like it
28:51 <Halcyon> I did 75% rye flour, 25% regular wheat flour
28:56 <Nothing\> you know what's good on toasted rye?
29:00 <Nothing\> liverwurst
29:02 <Ampera> Halcyon is too cowardly for big and black
29:04 <Halcyon> Vegemite
29:15 <Nothing\> never been a fan of vegemite
29:31 <Halcyon> Ampera, I love dark breads, like pumpernickel
29:46 <Nothing\> but maybe that's because like all north americans, my first encounter with vegemite was eating a whole spoonfull of it at the behest of my brother, who owned the vegemite for some reason.
29:50 <Nothing\> i think he got it from the food bank
29:58 <Ampera> I've had it
30:05 <Ampera> it's basically yeasty soy sauce as a paste
30:07 <Nothing\> Halcyon, oooh dude i LOVE pumpernickel with spinach dip
30:14 <Ampera> I'd eat it, but I prefer liverwurst
30:22 <Nothing\> fuck dude, you're makin me hungry
30:37 <Nothing\> hungry for breads they won't have at the corner store
30:38 <Halcyon> Nothing\, yeh that's not how you eat vegemite
30:45 <Ampera> well if you ask Halcyon nicely, he might bend over and make you some "vegemite"
30:46 <Halcyon> A small amount on buttered bread
30:54 <Nothing\> Halcyon, lol yeah but in north america that's how everyone introduces people to it
31:00 <Nothing\> as a disgusting thing
31:14 <Halcyon> Yes, because people are retarded and like to see other's suffer
31:32 <Ampera> friends don't let friends engage in australianism
31:42 <Nothing\> well at least the nurses/doctor said my brother can't go home today and they're admitting him
31:46 <Halcyon> No, friends don't let friends eat food wrong
32:06 * Ampera slathers a can of beef gravy all over Halcyon's no-no zones
32:20 <Halcyon> Nothing good comes from a can
32:24 <Halcyon> Except can tomatos
32:26 <Ampera> you are a sad creature
32:36 <Halcyon> And beans
32:37 <Nothing\> he kept talking about how they were gonna send him home once his IV was finish. Meanwhile he's slurring like crazy, repeating himself every few minutes and still having strokes.
32:37 <Ampera> ok wtf, you got pissed at me for using canned tomato puree before now it's fine
32:47 <Halcyon> What?
32:48 <Halcyon> When?
33:01 <Halcyon> Tomatos in a can is perfectly fine. I use them all the time
33:10 <Ampera> my head hurts too much to pull logs
33:12 <Nothing\> Halcyon, you get botulism from canned tomatoes
33:16 <Ampera> even if I did, you change your story every time I confront you on anything
33:24 <Halcyon> Nothing\, I've been fine so fart
33:26 <Halcyon> far
33:29 <Nothing\> Halcyon, the spores love a nice acidic environment
33:38 <Nothing\> Halcyon, yeah it only happens if it's improperly canned
33:40 <Ampera> canned food is great though
33:55 <Nothing\> Ampera, yeah i hear the Donner party loved them
33:57 <Halcyon> Yes but they are also easily killed by heat
34:25 <Ampera> Botulism spores are, the toxin is absolutely not
34:41 <Nothing\> i thought the toxin was a protein
34:42 <Ampera> if you have food which is infected with botulism, no amount of cooking is going to make it safe to eat
34:47 <T3sl4> evenin
34:48 <Nothing\> which would be easily denatured by heat
34:52 <Nothing\> but i could be mistaken
34:56 <Ampera> botulinum is one of, if not the most deadly substances known to man
34:58 <Nothing\> maybe it's a peptide
35:00 <Nothing\> hey t3
35:04 <Nothing\> T3sl4,
35:08 <Ampera> t3pio
35:13 * T3sl4 hugs Nothing\
35:16 <+electrohead> grr, the mother fuckers didn't send the auto-leveling kit I ordered
35:16 <Nothing\> sorry, i just called you one of the shittiest movies ever made T3sl4
35:21 * Nothing\ hugs T3sl4 
35:22 <T3sl4> and Ampera, Halcyon
35:23 <Halcyon> Not true Ampera, the toxin can easily be destroyed with the heat involved in cooking
35:28 <Halcyon> As long as it's hot enough and long enough
35:43 <Nothing\> yeah
35:44 <Halcyon> Pressure cooking is even better
35:50 <Nothing\> botulinum toxin is a protein
35:55 <Nothing\> so heat would very easily denature it
36:05 <Nothing\> deform the complex and very specific structure
36:11 <Halcyon> Yeh I don't know about that, but I know heat destroys it
36:18 <Ampera> ah
36:20 <Ampera> I had it mixed up
36:20 <Nothing\> destroy hydrogen bonds that keep it folded in just the right way
36:29 <Ampera> it's the spores that can survive cooking, the toxin is destroyed
36:36 <Nothing\> no shit?
36:39 <Nothing\> that's kinda scare
36:41 <Halcyon> But yes, best to avoid it
36:41 <Nothing\> scary
37:01 <Halcyon> Don't eat from cans that are bulging. Unless its Surstomming
37:06 <Halcyon> *Surstromming
37:18 <Nothing\> Halcyon, i heard dented cans could cause botulism too
37:21 <Nothing\> but i'm not sure how
37:37 <Halcyon> Dents can cause cracks that let air in
37:46 <Nothing\> but if that were true, i don't think they FDA would allow their sale
37:50 <Halcyon> Most cans are lined with plastic
38:01 <Nothing\> especially at a bargain price which would lure frugal customers into buying it
38:08 <Halcyon> It'd have to be a severe dent, not just a small one
38:12 <Nothing\> Halcyon, you know what's funny about that?
38:16 <Ampera> also it seems that botulinum is actually adverse to an acidic environment, not favorable
39:15 <Nothing\> for years, before i was old/savvy enough to find a store that sold pipes for smoking pot in, I used to make homemade pipes out of soda cans where i'd dent one side and flatten it, then poke a buncha holes in it for the screen, just put my pot on top of the holes and inhale through the mouth piece
39:42 <Nothing\> and i always noticed any time i used a can pipe, my lungs were in such horrible shape but i figured it was down to aluminium fumes
40:02 <Nothing\> i did this back in like 1999
40:10 <Nothing\> i didn't find out about the plastic liner until like a month ago
40:12 <Nothing\> lol
40:16 <Halcyon> :P Who'd have thought... smoking drugs and such is bad, especially when mixed with burning plastic. :P
40:19 <Nothing\> thank you very much nurdrage
40:37 <Nothing\> Halcyon, i figured it was just pure aluminium and some pigments for the label
40:51 <Halcyon> Smoking the label would have been healthier
40:57 <Nothing\> i never noticed any taste of burning plastic or any appearance of a melting or burning film
41:11 <Nothing\> Halcyon, yeah i did all sorts of stupid shit back then
41:28 <Nothing\> lol my one dumbass friend cleaned his pipe with wd-40 then got me smoke out of it
41:51 <Halcyon> Mmmm my loaf smells so good
41:52 <Ampera> meh
41:56 <Ampera> I'm getting sick of Canada existing
42:00 <Nothing\> guess he figured wd-40's good for cleaning metal and grease, so why not use it to clean a metal pipe covered in tar
42:01 <Ampera> we should probably bomb it or something
42:04 <Halcyon> I'm sure Canada hates you too Ampera
42:18 <Ampera> Canada loves white christian males
42:21 <T3sl4> you're loafing off?
42:22 <Nothing\> Ampera, it'd be so easy to kill off most of our population
42:35 <Nothing\> just nuke southern ontario and the vancouver area
42:40 <Ampera> killing humans is insanely easy
42:48 <Nothing\> BANG there's like 80% of canada's population right there
43:06 <Ampera> we've perfected the art of murder far more than any other discipline
43:10 <Halcyon> What's wrong with Canada? Seems like a nice place
43:16 <Halcyon> Not that I know much about it
43:27 <Nothing\> Halcyon, well there's the fact that we were committing genocide until 1998
43:32 <Nothing\> official genocide
43:41 <Nothing\> like, UN recognized genocide
43:43 <Halcyon> Mmmm
43:46 <Halcyon> That's not ideal
43:52 <Nothing\> not at all lol
44:06 <Ampera> not just genocide, juvenile genocide
44:10 <Nothing\> i mean, i don't even think the US can make that claim
44:10 <Halcyon> Oh well, at least they stopped, better late than never
44:16 <Nothing\> Ampera, well that was the idea
44:22 <Nothing\> get the younger generation
44:26 <Ampera> Yeah, at least we keep our genocide to the middle east.
44:31 <Nothing\> nip it in the bud before they become a problem
44:56 <Nothing\> apparently the school here was the longest running one in Canada
44:58 <Nothing\> 140 years
45:03 <Halcyon> I reckon this loaf is going to be so moist
45:09 <Nothing\> so they're expecting they'll find a LOT of unmarked graves there
45:19 <Nothing\> Halcyon, that's the best part about home made bread
45:35 <Nothing\> i keep bugging my mom to get a bread maker but she's afraid of anything to do with yeast for some reason
45:42 <Halcyon> I bought some bread bags so hopefully it'll say fresh for longer than a day. The rye should also help with that./
45:42 <Nothing\> so i think it's gonna be down to me to buy one
45:53 <Halcyon> Nothing\, she doesn't eat bread?
46:00 <Nothing\> she eats bread, but she won't make it
46:09 <Halcyon> Oh also, this is a sourdough
46:15 <Halcyon> So should be twice as tasty
46:17 <Nothing\> she's afraid of making anything with yeast, i should have said
46:23 <Ampera> the correct way to make bread last is to make it in small loaves, and to form a thick thick crust
46:32 <Ampera> butter coated for bonus flavor
46:39 <Nothing\> Halcyon, you're german aren't you?
46:45 <Halcyon> Yeh I need to get smaller bread tins. This one is too big.
46:49 <Halcyon> Nothing\: Finnish
46:50 <Nothing\> i can never keep track of what country who's from
46:50 <Ampera> close, he's a nazi's best friend, a fin
47:29 * T3sl4 sticks his finger in Halcyon's moist loaf
47:32 <Halcyon> Actually I might order some today, I also want to order some steel pie tins
47:34 <Nothing\> Halcyon, that's right. I was second guessing myself when i remembered you mentioning surstromming. Started thinking scandanavia
47:38 <Halcyon> T3sl4, careful, it's hot
47:46 <T3sl4> i know
47:56 <Halcyon> Hot things are hot
48:08 * T3sl4 gently caresses Halcyon's hot buns
48:17 <Halcyon> It's a loaf :P
48:20 <Ampera> That's why Halcyon's ice cold
48:21 <Ampera> sub zero
48:23 <Halcyon> A bit, large steaming loaf
48:28 <Halcyon> *big
48:44 <Halcyon> I fucking hate the cold
48:53 <Halcyon> It's going to be under 20 this week... AGAIN
49:30 <Ampera> I'm ready for it to get cold again
49:32 <Ampera> I love the cold
50:04 * T3sl4 drops an ice cube under Ampera's shirt
50:08 <Ampera> what shirt
50:22 <Ampera> I ain't wearing any shirt
51:06 <Halcyon> Put your tits away Ampera
51:32 <Ampera> Halcyon, make me
51:56 * Halcyon slaps Ampera's breasticles like a Newton's cradle
52:07 <T3sl4> https://i.imgur.com/5W9bwgB.jpg
52:49 * Ampera strikes Halcyon down, inflicting boob-force trauma
53:10 <Ampera> I am hungry. This is a problem.
54:04 <Ampera> I wish I had a really good friend at IBM who could get me a POWER server for cheap.
54:36 <Halcyon> I wish IBM would stop making racks with fucking round holes
55:05 <Ampera> round racks are the best what are you talking about
55:25 <Ampera> speaking of which, I get to do server maintenance in an hour
55:30 <Halcyon> \o/
55:41 <Halcyon> Do you have to do backups as part of that? Or is that someone elses job?
56:07 <Ampera> We have some stopgap backups in the form of DO snapshots, but I'm currently working on a FS level backup script for them
56:13 <Ampera> which I need to finish sooner rather than later, but oh boy life
56:33 <arch> stop watching tentacle hentai
56:52 <Ampera> It might be a smart idea to pull some backups before I start doing maintenance though. I didn't for the web server, this is the db server that needs updates
57:30 <Ampera> but the web server had over 50GB of webroot data that had nowhere to go, so backups weren't an easy thing I could just do
57:41 <Ampera> if worst came to worst, we'd just have to restore from the DO backups/snapshots
58:13 <Halcyon> Wurst
58:39 * Ampera beats Halcyon silly with a cock sausage
58:53 <Halcyon> :P
58:54 * T3sl4 sleeves Ampera's sausage
59:04 <Halcyon> Hehehe
59:29 <Ampera> only you would have the foreskin to do that, T3sl4
59:33 <Ampera> er, I meant foresight
59:54 <Halcyon> I thought you were part German Ampera? You would too
00:10 <Halcyon> Or was it a rule that when you entered the USA, you had to have it cut off?
00:26 <Ampera> circumcision is probably more common in Germany than it is in the US I'd wager
00:27 <T3sl4> Ampera's younger, his might not be mutilated
00:46 <Ampera> My parents were atheists, they had nothing binding them to the practice
01:05 <Ampera> and in general, I always got an impression it was a Jewish practice here
01:08 <Halcyon> Oh really? I thought the Euro's were mostly against it... well... not against, but it's seen as mostly useless unless you have issues down there
01:22 <T3sl4> churchies do it a lot, or did
01:42 <T3sl4> as strange as that should seem, given the, you know, gentiles
02:02 <Ampera> I don't know, maybe it's even something that's more or less where you are in the US
02:13 <Ampera> I actually didn't originally know Christians did it at all
02:19 <Ampera> I thought it was specifically a Jewish custom
03:38 <Halcyon> *shrug*
04:31 <Ampera> Tomorrow is when I start doing site migrations
04:52 <Ampera> we need to start moving wikis off our old centos server onto our nice and shiny FreeBSD servers
10:48 <+electrohead> Yo I'm pissed, I wanted to mount the auto-leveling sensor, along with the main build
10:50 <+electrohead> fuckers
11:38 <Halcyon> electrohead, they did it for you?
17:25 <+electrohead> no, they didn't send it to me
17:43 <+electrohead> I mentioned that earlier, but probably got drowned out in everyone else's text
18:11 <+electrohead> 18:35:15 @electrohe+| grr, the mother fuckers didn't send the auto-leveling kit I ordered
20:03 <Halcyon> Oh right
20:58 <+electrohead> :p
21:08 <+electrohead> already sent them an email about that
21:14 <Nothing\> you know i have to admit
21:28 <Ampera> do you have to?
21:30 <Nothing\> when i was talking to my brother, he actually pissed himself while i was on the phone with him
21:34 <Nothing\> and it was hard not to laugh
21:38 <Nothing\> i had to stifle it
22:07 <Ampera> As sick as it sounds, it takes a person of great mental fortitude to find comedy in an otherwise bleak situation
22:14 <Nothing\> but the fact that that was the 3rd time he'd pissed himself took most of the humour out of it
22:28 <Nothing\> i guess i'm just trying to keep as much levity in this thing as i can
22:34 <Nothing\> it's how our family copes
22:47 <Nothing\> Ampera, thanks man
22:50 * Ampera launches a plop of indomie goreng at Halcyon 
22:57 <Nothing\> that's always been one of the main ways i've gotten through tough times
23:04 <Nothing\> just trying to find any sort of silver lining i can
23:23 <Nothing\> and one thing i've found is that no matter how dark and hopeless things are, there's ALWAYS some sort of silver lining
23:32 <Nothing\> even if it's a small one
23:50 <Nothing\> and if you don't grasp for those, life'll be liable to swallow you whole
24:14 <Nothing\> in my experience, it's those silver linings that keep me here
24:23 <Nothing\> or give me a reason to stay
24:48 <Nothing\> otherwise i'd have fucked off years ago. Even had it all planned out and everything
25:41 <Nothing\> was gonna take a bottle of sleeping/anxiety pills with my entire week's worth of methadone and as much booze as i can stomach, put comfortably numb on my mp3 player and lie down on some railroad tracks and go to sleep
25:59 <Ampera> I've been feeling like shit today
26:00 <Nothing\> with the best noise cancelling headphones money can buy
26:04 <Ampera> if it keeps going on I may have to take a sick day tomorrow
26:10 <Nothing\> i'm sorry to hear that Ampera :(
26:13 <Ampera> it's a headache and nausea, so it's not covid
26:22 <Nothing\> huh
26:27 <Nothing\> are you a coffee drinker?
26:29 <Ampera> no
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26:45 <Nothing\> and i'm assuming no problems with blood pressure
26:46 <Ampera> I did take caffeine today, but it's not known to have that affect on me
26:50 <Ampera> none that I am aware of
26:56 <Nothing\> yeah it would have the opposite effect
27:02 <Nothing\> add
27:03 <Ampera> Coffee does have that affect on me, actually
27:05 <Nothing\> *odd
27:17 <Ampera> coffee will often make me nauseous
27:22 <Nothing\> Ampera, yeah i was just thinking well it could go the other way in people who aren't tolerant
27:42 <Ampera> I'm fairly caffeine tolerant, I've taken up to 200mg in a day with little problem
28:00 <Ampera> I was buzzed enough to see through walls for most of the day, but beyond that it was no big deal
28:06 <Ampera> it's just a random thing, it'll pass
28:07 <Nothing\> but usually with people who are addicted, the caffeine causes vasoconstriction, so the blood vessels in the lining around your brain shrink and it relieves pressure which causes headaches. Hence why they put caffeine in things like excedrin
28:45 <Nothing\> but if you use caffeine all the time, you can get a rebound effect if you don't get enough caffeine where the blood vessels dilate more than usual, causing a headache that can get quite nasty
29:13 <Nothing\> and the changes to vascular dilation would potentially cause nausea too
29:42 <Nothing\> a la butterflies in your stomach when an adrenaline rush causes the blood vessels to constrict and shunt more blood to muscles for fight or flight mode
30:00 <Ampera> I use caffeine occasionally
30:11 <Ampera> My guess is it's just stress
30:16 <Nothing\> Ampera, but you never know. I mean a good night's sleep can make all the difference in a case like this
30:19 <Ampera> mixed with/causing shitty sleep
30:22 <Nothing\> or it can do absolutely nothing
30:31 <Ampera> I did not have a great night's sleep last night
30:39 <Nothing\> yeah, that would definitely contribute to it
30:43 <Ampera> and have been having better and worse nights recently, but it's all likely due to stress
30:51 <Ampera> I'm under near constant stress with very few relief points
31:20 <Nothing\> in fact, going back to adrenaline, a lack of sleep will cause excessive amounts of hormones like adrenaline and cortisol
32:04 <Nothing\> your brain figures "hey i'm awake when i should be sleeping, there's gotta be a good survival reason for that, so i'll pump out some adrenaline to keep things going a little longer just in case"
32:18 <Nothing\> Ampera, actually stress was one of the first things i thought
32:39 <Nothing\> but i relented to mention it cuz i always hated when doctors would say "yeah it's stress" when in reality they have no idea what it is
33:10 <Ampera> It's most likely what it is. I do not remember the last time in my life I did not feel stressed, anxious, and depressed
33:20 <Ampera> it's mostly become just a baseline for me, which I just deal with
33:23 <Nothing\> like when i had this weird condition where every time i had sex i'd get a headache that got worse the closer to climax i got and by the time i finally got off i'd be in absolutely agony, clutching my head and screaming
33:28 <Nothing\> doctors said it was stress
33:42 <Nothing\> then i learn decades later there's an actual condition with a name that causes exactly that
33:48 <Nothing\> i forget what it's called now
34:02 <Nothing\> thankfully it only lasted about 3-6 months
34:41 <Nothing\> Ampera, yeah i'm the same way
35:18 <Nothing\> and yeah you do eventually learn to live with it, but every now and then i get frustrated at the fact that i have to work so hard just to get or do things that seemingly everyone else does without a second thought
35:45 <Nothing\> i catch myself opining about how unfair it is
36:32 <Nothing\> cool i got another one of these weird packets in my weed
37:23 <Nothing\> it's like a silica gel packet, but instead of keeping it perfectly dry, it has some sort of gel inside and a 2 way permeable membrane so whatever's in the packet keeps the humidity level in the container at exactly 62%
38:15 <Nothing\> oh good my mum's home
38:17 <Nothing\> brb
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58:06 * T3sl4 noogies arch
59:38 <arch> wadup fellow engineer of culture
00:54 <T3sl4> i see you are also a,,,yeah that
02:00 * Halcyon wriggles around
02:12 <Halcyon> Oooh my car battery charger is arriving today :D
02:40 * T3sl4 dumps Halcyon onto wrigley field
03:16 <Halcyon> I bought one of these: https://no.co/genius5
03:18 <EEVBot> [Title] - NOCO - 5-Amp Smart Battery Charger - GENIUS5
03:41 <T3sl4> having to call a battery charger "genius" isn't very encouraging
03:56 <Halcyon> *shrug*
05:48 <T3sl4> i just use my bench supply :P
05:56 <T3sl4> but, of course i'm a freak like that
06:02 <Halcyon> :P
06:11 <arch> T3sl4, https://i.imgflip.com/5iemzz.jpg
06:23 <Halcyon> Cars are getting fancy, I don't want to risk damaging anything, particularly because my car has 2 AGM batteries and they aren't cheap.
07:03 <arch> Halcyon, i love that thing. i bought one for my dad. saved us 3 times so far
07:47 <T3sl4> arch: hah
07:48 <DHess_US> arch, would make more sense if it was a Tektronix 465B.
07:53 <Halcyon> Yeh I thought I'd buy something decent and rugged. I have a cheapy from the auto store already and the clips are falling apart
08:36 * arch watches the joke fly over DHess_US 
09:07 <arch> literally googled "oscilloscope png transparent" and that was the first one i spotted
11:14 <Halcyon> Hey T3sl4, why do they say to disconnect the negative terminal from cars first?
11:24 <Halcyon> I've never really understood the logic
11:26 <arch> because everything is ground referenced
11:38 <T3sl4> because you can do it somewhere other than where there might be hydrogen gas?
11:40 <arch> if you accidentally smack the terminal to positive, you have a higher chance of shorting to ground directly
11:52 <DHess_US> arch, incomplete
12:17 <DHess_US> Some cars used positive ground, in which case the positive terminal should be removed first.
12:17 <Halcyon> Right
12:29 <arch> akhchuaallyy
12:32 <arch> ok fine
12:36 <Halcyon> DHess_US, that sounds like a dick move... like centre negative DC jacks
12:50 <arch> i have a brother label printer...and it is like that Halcyon :D
12:50 <T3sl4> some cars used 6V too
13:20 <DHess_US> Halcyon, positive center is actually defective by design because it means the ground side is disconnected by the switch. It *should* be center negative.
13:37 <Halcyon> Mine just has positive and negative terminals to connect to. The batteries are hidden/covered up
13:56 <Halcyon> One has a big fat heatsink on it. I'm assuming that's the starter battery?
13:58 <DHess_US> But you disconnect the chassis because otherwise anything around the other terminal will short to the terminal.
13:59 <arch> use scissors to cut the wires, bam, simple. just buy some new wires
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38:35 <Halcyon> Hah, there you go, from today, all payphones in the country are free
38:54 <Halcyon> I still can't believe we have over 15k of them
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02:08 <Ampera> So what you are saying is, in one fell swoop, they eliminated every single payphone in Australia
04:12 <T3sl4> Halcyon: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3zNi686HHo
04:13 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: Jack Daniels BBQ Pulled Pork Sausage
05:20 <T3sl4> Ampera: as popular as a scottish pay toilet
08:33 <Halcyon> I don't like JD etc... but I like it when it involves BBQs and meat
10:04 <Halcyon> Oh gawd, I thought this was a legit recip
10:08 <Halcyon> e
10:39 <T3sl4> it mightn't've been too bad if he ground it with some fresh pork or something, but nah
11:02 <Halcyon> Yeh nah, if you're going to go to all that effort, use proper ingredients. Not that packet shit
11:17 <T3sl4> but the meeems
13:02 <Halcyon> Second ingredient is water.
13:08 <Halcyon> Mmmmm water meat
14:56 <T3sl4> mmm, water added
17:29 <Ampera> Looks like Linux has a 1% Steam marketshare right now
17:41 <Ampera> not bad considering how absolutely massive Steam is as a platform
19:18 <Halcyon> Hm I'd have expected more
19:42 <Ampera> Most people are too lazy to learn how to use Linux properly
19:43 <Ampera> like you
19:50 <Halcyon> I use Linux
19:57 <Ampera> >properly
20:03 <Halcyon> I use it properly
20:10 <Ampera> how many distros have you hopped
20:12 <Halcyon> I just refuse to do things the long way when there is a quicker/easier method
20:18 <Halcyon> Like 10 or so
20:33 <Ampera> so reinstalling everything 10 times is easier than sitting down and learning how it works in the first place?
20:37 <Halcyon> And I don't regret it. It means I get to know the pros/cons of each.
20:44 <Halcyon> Rather than just stubbornly sticking with one
20:56 <Ampera> sad to say it, but most distros really aren't all that different from each other
21:08 <Halcyon> No, but they are different
21:22 <Halcyon> It's the reason why not one single distro suits every workflow
21:35 <Ampera> The main difference is release/versioning strategy
21:39 <Ampera> everything else is just syntax
21:47 <Halcyon> Sure
21:53 <Halcyon> But again, there is no one size fits all
22:19 <Halcyon> The same goes with any operating system. Just because x number of people use Apple, doesn't mean it works for me.
22:50 <Ampera> the point being is you always refuse to learn how to use Linux, and have suffered for it
22:57 <Ampera> and that is exactly why people keep away
23:11 <Halcyon> This is largely what turned me off about learning Linux very early on, every asshole had an opinion and ever asshole thought they were "right". It turned me right off.
23:31 <Halcyon> On the contrary, as a purely Windows person in the past, I have forced myself to use Linux. I now love it.
23:38 <Halcyon> I also encourage others to do the same.
23:58 <Ampera> I never said there was any one right way to use Linux, my point is that not learning how to use it is the wrong way.
24:02 <Ampera> whichever distro you pick
24:22 <Halcyon> But I have learnt it, I'm learning more every day. I've been using Linux as my daily driver for a few years now.
24:31 <Halcyon> If that's not learning and dedication, I don't know what is?
24:50 <Ampera> I used Windows for over a decade and couldn't tell you for the life of me how it actually works or what it's supposed to do half the time
25:20 <Halcyon> I can say the same thing about Windows 10. I don't know what the fuck it's doing half the time.
25:30 <Ampera> Linux has a lot of crutches that are easy in the short term, but cause serious problems in the long term for the terminally lazy. Windows is almost entirely comprised of crutches
25:46 <Ampera> Constant distro hopping in hopes that the grass will be greener is one of them
26:02 <Halcyon> That's not why I "distro hopped"
26:15 <Halcyon> I was testing things to find one that I personally liked and one that worked for me.
26:31 <Ampera> As I recall, half the time you did it's because you almost completely boned your installs, or got frustrated trying to do something like install a driver or deal with drive encryption
26:34 <Halcyon> It was about learning the differences, seeing how they worked... getting to know the products.
26:43 <Halcyon> I'm not just going to settle on the first one I come across
26:53 <Halcyon> Correct
27:14 <Halcyon> It's a learning curve and one I wasn't afraid to take. I could have just thrown my hands up and gone to Windows 10
27:50 <Ampera> I'm not saying you haven't learned anything, more that you refused to settle down and fix problems, instead just hoping something else would magically worked.
27:55 <Halcyon> When I was a kid, I fucked up DOS and Windows too
28:11 <Ampera> I see it all the time with people who jump on Linux from Windows and expect it to just magically work the way they think it should
28:13 <Halcyon> I'm sure I deleted things or buggered up partitions many times
28:15 <Nothing\> alright, i'm feeling a lot better now
28:20 <Nothing\> thanks for being there earlier guys
28:27 <Halcyon> All good Nothing\
28:29 <Halcyon> Any time
28:30 <Nothing\> i really appreciate it. It's not something I'm used to.
28:34 <Nothing\> <3
28:37 <Nothing\> you guys are legends
28:48 <Halcyon> Ampera is here too :P
28:53 <Ampera> if I'm a legend, whoever wrote it is fucking stupid
29:00 <Halcyon> ^
29:07 <Nothing\> i guess my brother's being kept in the hospital on a 72 hour involuntary hold
29:12 <Nothing\> so that's a huge relief
29:20 <Halcyon> Good stuff
29:27 <Ampera> whoever wrote Halcyon as a legend is just terminally uncreative and decided to see how many tropes and cliches they could stuff into a gay guy
29:43 <Nothing\> cuz he kept going on about all the shit he was gonna take when he got home. He had absolutely no insight into how serious his condition was and didn't give a shit that going home could mean death.
29:44 <Halcyon> *shrug*
29:57 <Ampera> I'm just depressing and broken, like a shitty teen drama
30:10 <Ampera> anyways, I'm gonna chuck some trash out, brb
30:15 * Ampera takes Halcyon with
30:17 <Nothing\> Ampera, such is the downfall of aging
30:23 <Halcyon> Where are we going?
30:28 <Ampera> To get some milk
30:40 <Nothing\> i wanna try platypus milk
30:42 <Halcyon> I actually do need to go shopping
31:49 <Nothing\> oh yeah, i downloaded this interesting looking game last night i wasn't able to pirate
32:05 <Nothing\> it looks like a logic/programming type game called...
32:11 <Nothing\> rail route
32:20 <Nothing\> early release game on steam
32:43 <Halcyon> Train simulator?
32:50 <Nothing\> sorta
33:01 <Nothing\> looks like you make these logic circuit type circuits to guide the trains as needed
33:21 <+electrohead> o/
33:58 <Nothing\> or there's one game that is more an a train simulator with resource management and stuff. But the neat part about it is the maps it uses are all real maps from google earth. So you can set up a rail network in your own city.
34:05 <Nothing\> hey electrohead how you doing?
34:21 <Nothing\> nimby rail, i think it's called
34:26 <Nothing\> or something along those lines-
34:40 <Nothing\> still has some bugs in it though
35:00 <Nothing\> electrohead, i'm doing better, myself. Thank God.
35:19 * Ampera attack-hugs electrohead 
35:26 <Nothing\> i was about ready to take a utility knife and run it up the entire length of my leg
35:32 <Nothing\> yes indeed
35:45 * Nothing\ hugs electrohead <3
36:07 <Nothing\> i wouldn't wanna do that to my mom though, re: the self harm
36:18 <Nothing\> she dealt with that shit enough when i was a teenager
36:22 <Nothing\> and young adult
36:53 <Nothing\> and she's got enough on her plate with my brother, she doesn't need me having a literal nervous breakdown at the same time
39:42 <Nothing\> printers need an option to number the pages of a document as they print
40:38 <Nothing\> i mixed up a couple of pages cuz the whole lot of them fell off the output tray and i'm having a hell of a time trying to get them back in order. Short of going through the pages one by one and comparing them to the pdf
41:23 <Nothing\> i need a good stapler, too. I tried stapling this manual last night that was maybe 20 pages and my stapler couldn't even get through that
44:44 <Nothing\> i've been terrifying my poor kitties all day with my emotional outbursts
45:19 * Ampera hugs and pets Nothing\'s poor kitties
45:21 <Nothing\> i had a severe crying/sobbing/hyperventilation fit earlier today and my cat only jus now came out
45:31 <Nothing\> thanks man. They need it, too.
45:40 <Nothing\> they really don't like when i yell
45:58 <Halcyon> :(
45:59 <Nothing\> you're a great friend Ampera
46:02 <Nothing\> and a good person
46:05 <Nothing\> you too Halcyon
46:13 <Halcyon> I try
46:14 <Ampera> I object to being considered a person
46:16 <Ampera> but I appreciate it
46:22 <Nothing\> both of you, don't EVER let anyone try to tell you otherwise
46:30 <Ampera> Halcyon, I am now telling you otherwise.
46:34 <Halcyon> I won't. If they do, I
46:38 <Halcyon> I'll give them a ticket
46:39 <Halcyon> :P
46:58 <Nothing\> Ampera, miscellaneous sentient being
47:09 <Ampera> "sentient"
47:14 <Ampera> you're 0 for 2
47:16 <Nothing\> lol Halcyon
47:27 <Nothing\> Ampera, you know you exist, therefore you're sentient
47:37 <Ampera> this is the first I'm hearing of it
47:48 <Nothing\> and can reason about the nature of that existence
48:05 <Halcyon> I'm thinking chicken, mushroom and leek pies for dinner
48:07 <Nothing\> you know, the human brain is the only object in the universe that's named itself
48:12 <Halcyon> https://www.taste.com.au/recipes/creamy-chicken-mushroom-leek-pie-recipe/zuvv44dh?r=quickeasy&h=Quick%20%20easy
48:24 <Nothing\> Halcyon, mmm that sounds better
48:34 <Nothing\> 'specially compared to my supper
48:42 <Ampera> anyways, I'm gonna go to bed
48:43 <Ampera> good night
48:43 <Nothing\> frozen sweet and sour chicken dinner
48:44 <Ampera> I love you all
48:46 <Halcyon> Night Ampera
48:47 <Ampera> especially Halcyon
48:49 <Ampera> I /really/ love him
48:50 <Halcyon> Aw :)
48:55 <Halcyon> Thanks asshole
49:05 <Nothing\> Ampera, good night Ampera. I love you too, bro. And thanks again for being there for me.
49:09 <Nothing\> You're a true friend.
49:31 <Nothing\> I hope one day the favor is repayed, if not by me then by way of karma
49:33 <Halcyon> In other news, my loaf of rye turned out better than I imagined. I thought I'd ruined it
49:45 <Nothing\> Halcyon, that's awesome
50:34 <Halcyon> I wish I could send you some
51:07 <Nothing\> i told my mom to get a breadmaker and she swore it was my grandmother who had issues with baking with yeast
51:46 <Nothing\> but i told her even if i have to pay for it, and a bread making kit myself we're getting a breadmaker
51:51 <Halcyon> FFS, I keep losing my stanley knife
52:06 <Nothing\> what about your billy club?
52:19 <Halcyon> It's one of these things as soon as I put it down, it disappears into a parallel universe
52:23 <Halcyon> Only to be found days later
52:35 <Nothing\> or your greta garrote
52:54 <Nothing\> Halcyon, lol i get that with my ecig
52:58 <Nothing\> it's sooooo frustrating
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54:21 <Nothing\> you're doing something with it, then you absentmindedly set it down to do something else, next thing you know, it's disappeared
54:58 <Nothing\> and then for some reason the only way i can find it is to get my mom to look for it. Even if she was nowhere near us when it happened
55:48 <Nothing\> i wanna drill a hole in my ecig so i can thread a wristband or lanyard through it
57:01 <Nothing\> oh hey that's what i should do
57:11 <Nothing\> finish reading about the tl431 like i was doing yesterday
57:17 <Nothing\> oooh actually screw that
57:32 <Nothing\> i'll finish working on making this test program for astra-256
58:16 <Nothing\> it's a "game" on steam that simulates a computer with 256 bytes of memory
59:31 <Nothing\> but it's not really game More just an open-ended type programming environment reminiscent of an altair 8800 or some other rudimentary text based IDEs
00:04 <Nothing\> lol maybe i should smoke some pot, i just realized i'm moving in slo-motion
02:32 <Nothing\> should play some sonic generations, too. That's a hell of a fun game.
03:06 <Nothing\> it's a sonic game with reboots of levels from older games
03:30 <Nothing\> and a combination of classic side scrolling mechanics and the newer 3rd person view mechanics
04:15 <Nothing\> but playing green hill zone in 3D with an orchestral soundtrack was just wonderful
13:55 <Nothing\> seriously though, if there's one thing you guys get from this text wall, it's that you should check out astra-256
14:36 <Nothing\> https://store.steampowered.com/app/1260310/ASTRA256_Assembler/
14:37 <EEVBot> [Title] - ASTRA-256 Assembler on Steam
14:48 <Nothing\> there, it's even on sale
15:16 <Nothing\> even more reason to buy it
21:45 <+electrohead> https://0xznc01.pw:2600/public/IMG_20210802_215202.jpg
21:47 <+electrohead> https://0xznc01.pw:2600/public/IMG_20210802_215411.jpg
21:57 <+electrohead> all in its glory, and in its new home
24:16 * electrohead slaps Nothing\ with hugs
30:31 <+electrohead> of course you're not talkative when I finally get back
30:35 <+electrohead> I fucking see how it is
30:40 <+electrohead> /kick Nothing\
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50:33 <Halcyon> Return air filters are gross
51:34 <Kuschelpony> eeek
52:48 <Kuschelpony> on the positive side, my secon COVID-selftest yesterday turned out negative as well, but will do one more today or tomorrow
54:10 <+electrohead> you're so negative
57:17 <+electrohead> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-7-X7DdROg
57:17 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: Restoring an HP 150A Oscilloscope (Part 1)
59:33 <Kuschelpony> do you think an laptop with 1GB RAM can take XUbuntu16 or should i go one more back to 14 ?
04:29 <+electrohead> I want to say you should be good, if anything, create some swap space
07:10 <Kuschelpony> ok
11:50 <Kuschelpony> the old version is currently 12 that seems to have some damage, so i dont want to try to upgrade it, but install make a fresh install
18:25 <Nothing\> well
18:41 <Nothing\> i'm just glad my brother's being forced to stay somewhere he'll be safe tonight
18:54 <Kuschelpony> downloading the image, next step in about 40 minutes
20:32 <Nothing\> he kept going on like the hospital was going to release him soon and I was so worried cuz he said as soon as he got out he was gonna take all of these pills, and smoke all of this high potency cannabis extract, and take way more sedatives and antidepressants than he's prescribed and mix it all with some beer he had leftover
20:49 <Nothing\> he seemed to think if he could that, it would let him sleep and fix his prbolems
21:08 <Nothing\> but those fucking pills are the whole reason he had the strokes and seizures in nthe first place
21:46 <Nothing\> i was so worried the hospital was gonna send him home, he was gonna get into all that shit and that'd be the last time we ever hear from him
21:51 <Kuschelpony> ouch, sad story
22:11 <Nothing\> Kuschelpony, yeah, my brother had several strokes and seizures yesterday
22:26 <Nothing\> probably from abusing his meds
22:53 <Kuschelpony> yeah, just understood something like this from your comments, so really sad
23:05 <Nothing\> he called me from the hospital to tell me he was fine and ready to come home
23:21 <Nothing\> then he pissed himself
23:26 <Nothing\> and then had another stroke
23:49 <Nothing\> he had it on speakerphone, so i was yelling for a nurse but they couldn't figure out who it was that was yelling for a nurse
24:43 <Nothing\> but thankfully my mum was going over there right at that moment, so she showed up right then and took the phone from him and i told her about his plans for when he got home and insisted she tell the doctor about it
25:00 <Nothing\> but they have him on one of those 72 hour involuntary holds
25:49 <Nothing\> they posted a security guard outside of his door
26:06 <Nothing\> and they said if tries to escape, they'll put him in 4 point restraints
26:18 <Nothing\> that is, wrists and ankles
27:00 <Kuschelpony> ooof
27:13 <Nothing\> i mean, i've been in his position and I know what a shitty position it is to be in and you just wanna get out asap but you have absolutely no insight into what a wreck you are
27:25 <Kuschelpony> im sorry, i prefer to stop commenting here as this goes out of the things where i can give any helpful response
27:36 <Nothing\> but it's the lesser evil as far as i'm concerned
27:41 <Nothing\> he NEEDS this right now
27:58 <Nothing\> cuz he will most certainly end up killing himself accidentally if they send him home
29:08 <Nothing\> ugh i'm just so drained and i've only been awake for the past... maybe 4 hours
29:22 <Nothing\> just from all the sobbing and uncontrollable crying etc
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30:53 <Nothing\> we had an episode with him like this with drinking last year where he get rhabdomyolysis from drinking too much. Which is basically where your muscle tissue breaks down so severely that your kidneys can't cope and start to shut down.
31:34 <Nothing\> but i mean that was fine by comparison. No huge risk of permanent damage, no intoxication and combativeness and so on
32:00 <Nothing\> it was like a lead up to this, i guess
32:55 <Nothing\> alright, let's see how i can kill some time
33:40 <Kuschelpony> i wish i could be a betetr help, but will go back to bed myself soon again
33:52 <Nothing\> thatsk okay Kuschelpony
34:04 <Nothing\> just listening and knowing you care is plenty of help
34:18 <Nothing\> more than words can express
34:39 <Kuschelpony> i do care and try to help, but dont ask how deep my own issues are
34:40 <Nothing\> you know, sometimes you just need to let it all out
34:57 <Kuschelpony> not meant in the way i do not want to help, but in the way of i fail to do it
35:09 <Kuschelpony> oh im totally happy to be here for you
38:36 <Kuschelpony> im a bit to shy to say this, but could you imagine how it feels, to have againb and again days where i can barely suppress that i do not yell people in their face "please tell me what i can do for you, please tell me what you need and desire" because i feel so helpless that i can not "see" it myself, and only get the reaction like i would be totally egoistic only telling my own wishes, literally dozens or hundreds of times
39:11 <Nothing\> Kuschelpony, i know how you feel. I mean I clearly (to the outside observer) have mental health probems of myself. But I find myself always helping or trying to help other people who are experiencing their mental health issues or just trying to cope with stress or whatever. Ya know
39:30 <Kuschelpony> yes
39:48 <Nothing\> i just try to help when I'm feeling stable enough that i can
45:02 <Kuschelpony> yes
46:17 <Kuschelpony> on myself, my prblem is not the day when i feel i can help, thats almost any day, but that i have major and still increasing treoiubles to "decode" what people "tell" me outside of their direct words
47:03 <Halcyon> Hey electrohead, you didn't tell me about your latest project: https://twitter.com/lozaning/status/1422072108939632641
48:00 <Nothing\> Kuschelpony, yeah it's really easy to get carried away with it
48:18 <Nothing\> Kuschelpony, you a fan of philip k dick?
48:38 <Kuschelpony> no idea who or what this is
48:57 <Kuschelpony> i dont know perhaps no persons who are famous today
49:03 <Kuschelpony> argh
49:16 <Kuschelpony> i perhaps dont know any persons who are famous today
49:35 <Nothing\> ah no worries. He's a terrific sci-fi author who wrote the books that movies like blade runner, total recall and some other stuff were based on
49:48 <Kuschelpony> ok, as i dont watch movies that explains it
49:49 <Nothing\> he's a really terrific author if you're into such things
49:58 <Nothing\> but anyways getting to my point
50:34 <Kuschelpony> im more of a fan of persons lile heinrich Hertz or Emil Warburg if the word "fan" is approbiate there
50:41 <Kuschelpony> yes
50:44 <Nothing\> there's one book of his where the protagonist suffers mental illness and his shrink is telling hem basically the sam thing
51:23 <Nothing\> he has a habit of helping people too much
51:44 <Nothing\> despite being mentally ill himself
51:54 <Kuschelpony> hmm
52:18 <Nothing\> I wouldn't really recommend it though. It's a really heavy read
52:30 <Kuschelpony> i do not consider myself to be mentally ill, but more like to be topo different so beeing burned out from all the translation like an alien language
53:11 <Kuschelpony> oh sorry i doint read such books at all, just because of my brain processing they would leave me confused and even more helpless trying to decode them
53:44 <Nothing\> yeah it's really difficult for me to read books
53:55 <Kuschelpony> im more the nerdy engineer who tries to be helpful for society to give his technical experiences and powers, but feel like failing to be useuful because barely anyone need that
54:28 <Nothing\> i love the content, but it takes more time than i have patience
54:34 <Nothing\> thanks to ADD
54:50 <Kuschelpony> oh ok
54:51 <Nothing\> audiobooks help a great deal with this
55:00 <Kuschelpony> well, myself with aspergers thats a bit the opposite
55:40 <Kuschelpony> i can read two days in a row a book like "Praktische Physik" from Kohlrausch, thats some kilogram paper about all possible laboratory tricks
56:07 <Kuschelpony> but could not follow more than perhaps 1 minute of audio book as this would overload me with processing
56:08 <Nothing\> i envy people who can get hyperfocused like that and manage to kill a good bit of time in the process
56:18 <Kuschelpony> <- here
56:35 <Kuschelpony> its not exactly hyperfocussing, its a bit more of relaxing
57:06 <Nothing\> Kuschelpony, i try to induce such states as it helps a HUGE deal when coping with anxiety
57:34 <Kuschelpony> so like other people do Yoga or whatever, for me its like wandering over pages and pages of well written meaningful contont, and at the end of the day my brain is filled with so much things thast fit logically together, instead of dealing with the dangerous fuzziness of other people in social life
57:43 <Kuschelpony> yes understood
58:18 <Kuschelpony> at least i am well past the years where my life was ruled by permanent anxiety, the only situation that makes me nervous will be a visit to the czech in septmeber
58:25 <Nothing\> yeah it really helps to distract yourself from what's bugging you like that. To an extent of course
58:31 <Kuschelpony> yep
58:45 <Kuschelpony> also very missing a lot more physical sensory input
59:09 <Nothing\> ah crap
59:20 <Nothing\> i was gonna order a diffraction grating but just remembered i'm broke
59:29 <Kuschelpony> ooüs
59:31 <Nothing\> spent my last bit of money at the dispensary lol
59:38 <Nothing\> whoopsy
59:44 <Kuschelpony> i wish you were inside EU so i could just pack a letetr for you :)
59:53 <Nothing\> oh well, i get a $70 tax credite in a week or so
00:08 <Kuschelpony> still have soimewhere sheets from very old LCD monitors that act well as diffraction gratings
00:20 <Nothing\> really?
00:28 <Nothing\> cuz i have an old LCD monitor too
00:36 <Nothing\> i dunn what qualifies as old though
00:37 <Kuschelpony> yes, but they need to be very old, too bad i did not record the types
00:48 <Nothing\> let's see when did i buy it
00:51 <Kuschelpony> something much past 10 years
00:55 <Nothing\> woulda been around 2010
01:08 <Nothing\> lol
01:26 <Kuschelpony> more like 2000 without 10
01:37 <Nothing\> yeah and i don't wanna destroy my monitor just to get what is essentially just some funky plastic out of it
01:53 <Kuschelpony> hihi, no
02:24 <Kuschelpony> i do have access to an university junkbox, but what they throw out is already too modern and most times in too good shape really simple to fix
02:54 <Nothing\> not that it's being used, I don't even think they have video cards with DVI ports anymore, do they?
03:13 <Nothing\> oooh man Kuschelpony
03:26 <Kuschelpony> somewhere perhaps already 15 years ago, LCD screens changend from fancy optical system to much more simple arrangements and replaced the high precision grooved sheets with simple diffusers
04:14 <Nothing\> i'd LOVE to have access to something like that. But unfortunately I left academia after only 10 years in school total
04:19 <Kuschelpony> at least >99% of my computers were for free :)
04:43 <Nothing\> thing is though, i'd need to know what the spacing is on the grating too
04:46 <Kuschelpony> al im working there as technican, the students perjhaps dont even know these places that i visit :)
05:16 <Kuschelpony> can be measured easy, apply an known wavelength and measure the diffraction angle
05:28 <Nothing\> so i can use it to measure the wavelength of any visible like that goes through it
05:36 <Nothing\> especially coherent lght
05:49 <Kuschelpony> in past decades when i still had time.... i wanted to build a spectrometer based on a CCD line
06:16 <Kuschelpony> thats where i also got these sheets
06:27 <Nothing\> i actually splurged and just bought an actual spectrometer
06:36 <Nothing\> $25 and it's basically the exact same thing
06:56 <Nothing\> that is, the same thing as those projects you see all over the place online
07:49 <Kuschelpony> surely yes, but im not so much into online ordering, feel not so well to spread my personal data all over if i can instead buy stuff in person or get if from junk
08:25 <Kuschelpony> espically also since i have now signed up to ebay kleinanzeigen (german thing) where i can just ask people for pick-up
08:42 <Kuschelpony> its also how i got some weeks ago some oscilloscope tubes for very cheap
09:18 <Kuschelpony> but need to slöow down as i already have too much other projects going of
10:08 <Kuschelpony> if i feel better in the afternoon, i might take the time and continue the one experimental subwoofer thing, trying to make it finally airtight and place the microphone to measure at the speaker
11:08 <Nothing\> yeah don't get too ambitious and push yourself too hard
12:10 <Nothing\> i need to play a game
12:46 <Nothing\> i think i'll play rogue legacy 2
13:13 <Kuschelpony> no worries, i am long past the years where i would have pushd myself too hard, have learned that from my first burnoput (related to my past workplace) and my seond burnout (that currently still fully going on for social stuff)
13:28 <Kuschelpony> ah well, then enjoy your game, im here completely different as well
13:53 <Nothing\> well i dunno if i'm gonna play yet or not
14:35 <Nothing\> actually i should look for a fog machine. I just remembered I meant to do that about 12 hours ago lol
14:35 <Kuschelpony> playing games is the same as watchign videos, it just fills my brain with even more junk feelings
14:43 <Kuschelpony> hihi
15:07 <Nothing\> i like playing games over watching videos when i'm tired because the interactive nature of it helps to keep me awake
15:20 <Nothing\> hihihi
15:26 <Nothing\> :P
15:30 <Kuschelpony> if i get a bit more clear i also might try to understand openscad code nesting five layers of unionss and differences to create an acoustic waveguide
15:51 <Kuschelpony> did wrote that myself a year ago
15:59 <Nothing\> i'm surprised you didn't just go deaf
16:13 <Nothing\> from the sound of that all going over my head
16:20 <Nothing\> :P
16:25 <Kuschelpony> oh no problem
16:31 <Nothing\> well i understood some of it
16:39 <Nothing\> like i know what code nesting is
16:54 <Nothing\> or at least i have a vague idea of what it is
17:06 <Nothing\> and i know what waveguides are
17:14 <Nothing\> and CAD
17:16 <Nothing\> huh
17:25 <Kuschelpony> "union" merges two or more branches of definitions into one common object, "difference" calculates the diffeernce from one solid object and another that creates a hole inside
17:32 <Nothing\> i guess i did understand it. Just had to take a moment to process it. lol
18:16 <Kuschelpony> OpenSCAD is a special thing, its a compiler that takes code describing 3D objects and renders the file for printing or milling
18:36 <Nothing\> oh cool
19:32 <Nothing\> i wish i could make cool stuff in code
19:53 <Nothing\> trying to make that jump by learning more about the software side of embedded technologies
20:39 <Kuschelpony> oh i am really shit programmer, the only thing i really understood was 68k assembler back in last millenia
20:57 <Nothing\> actually, there's this really neat web based game you might enjoy. Has nothing to do with CAD or any of that. But if you like programming assembly for embedded systems, it's all you
21:09 <Kuschelpony> oh i betetr no try
21:42 <Kuschelpony> im happy enough to get openscad right, from my brain where i do see functional parts to an really useable object
21:46 <Nothing\> and of course i can never rememeber what it's called
21:53 <Kuschelpony> no worries
21:56 <Nothing\> ah right on
22:05 <Nothing\> that saves me me some trouble then, it seems lol
22:11 <Kuschelpony> i will leave the next minutes and try to sleep again for some time
23:01 <Nothing\> but it's basiclaly a game where you use assembly in an MCU controlling a lock to use an exploit in the lock to open it
23:03 <Kuschelpony> hmm, perthaps take one more shower before
23:17 <Nothing\> and one by one you get these types of scenarios you play through
23:42 <Nothing\> shower before bed feels heavenly
23:51 <Kuschelpony> mmh, feels still too much like wasting time instead of doing creative stuff, i am already spending much too much time at computer while wishing i could go out RL
23:58 <Nothing\> especially with freshly washed and fabric softenered sheets
24:19 <Kuschelpony> i wih i would have local people for going out to crazy adventures
25:03 <Nothing\> you and me both
25:23 <Nothing\> i used to do stuff like thta, but it involved drugs invariably
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25:56 <Nothing\> you know, back in my 20s and on
26:48 <Kuschelpony> for me, i would love to try getting more kicks like https://www.wildpark-oberreith.de/mega-fox/
26:50 <EEVBot> [Title] - Mega Flying Fox - wipawases Webseite!
27:17 <Nothing\> my buddy would be driving and we'd just drive around, smoke weed, drink and cause mostly harmless trouble
27:23 <Kuschelpony> im now past 40 but only yet going past of major blockades to let me explore stuff i should have done in my 20s
27:39 <Nothing\> i'm getting there, 36
27:50 <Nothing\> by my brother's 42
27:52 <Nothing\> lucky him
28:39 <Kuschelpony> just to say, be preapred that you have not many years left before you notice how all buddies disappear for career or their family, new parties will lock you out as "the old creepy guy" and you drop far down in a hole of loneliness
29:30 <Nothing\> yup exactly
29:49 <Nothing\> have you ever read The Dark Tower series by Steven King?
30:18 <Nothing\> there's a constant theme throughout the series of the world having moved on
30:25 <Nothing\> that's what it feels like
30:40 <Nothing\> a world that's moved on and has nothing left to offer
30:52 <Kuschelpony> no i dont read such books at all
31:03 <Kuschelpony> but i understand the feeling
31:03 <Nothing\> ah, that's right
31:29 <Nothing\> well if there's any book you read, or audiobook, MAKE IT THE DARK TOWER
31:46 <Nothing\> the movie ruined its reputation, which is a shame
31:55 <Kuschelpony> feel myself the same, the world is moving on and very few people, perhaps only a few engineers like here, and a few crazy artists doing shows, are the only ones left interested in me and where i can excahnge interesting stuff
32:10 <Nothing\> it's basically steven king's equivalent to lord of the rings
32:15 <Nothing\> his magnum opus
32:28 <Nothing\> and very unique
32:39 <Kuschelpony> oh i dont even try anymore, have to protect the reamining brain capacity from beeing consumed trying to decode meaningless context
32:44 <Nothing\> a world of sci-fi, but also of fantasy and magic
33:17 <Nothing\> Kuschelpony, really it's more me reminiscing lol
33:28 <Nothing\> i think i may actually start listening to the audiobook again
33:41 <Nothing\> it's LOOOOONG though
34:06 <Nothing\> if you thought lord of the rings was a long read, The Dark Tower was absolutely gargantuan
34:47 <Nothing\> according to google there are officially 10 books in the series right now
34:48 <Kuschelpony> sorry, just cant handle anything like this, im already exhausted from trying to understand the "normal" people around me every day
35:02 <Kuschelpony> but now off to shower and trying to rest a few hours
35:06 <Nothing\> no, it's me who should be sorry
35:18 <Nothing\> i keep going on about this even though you already said you're not interested
35:42 <Nothing\> you need not feel bad for simply reacting to something in an entirely natural manner
36:25 <Kuschelpony> its ok, im open if you need to tell about
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36:49 <Nothing\> but yeah maybe i'll toss a piss (there's some canadian slang for you) have a smoke and play a game of some sort
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56:14 <Halcyon> "Toss a piss"
56:15 <Halcyon> Hahaha
56:24 <Halcyon> We tend to say "Hang a leak"
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16:52 <Nothing\> HI GUYS, HOW'S IT GOING? I'M DOING SUPER!
17:05 <Nothing\> end green subroutine
17:10 <Nothing\> grreeting
17:13 <steve30> hi
17:24 * Nothing\ sighs
17:26 <Nothing\> hey steve30
17:30 <Nothing\> how are you doing?
17:31 * steve30 slept well :)
17:38 <Nothing\> that's good to hear
17:57 <Nothing\> i hope i can sleep okay tonight
18:37 <Nothing\> you had heard about my brother, yes?
18:57 <steve30> yeah
19:12 <Nothing\> i'm wondering how i'm gonna sleep tonight
19:30 <hsn> how u doin
19:36 <Nothing\> every time my mind gets an idle moment it starts playing out various scenarios in which we find out he's died
19:48 <Nothing\> hsn: just kinda numb
20:08 <hsn> what happened to your brother ?
20:52 <Nothing\> he had a couple of strokes and no fewer than 5 seizures on account of abusing his prescriptions no doubt
22:13 <hsn> sorry to hear ..
22:27 <Nothing\> he kept having these attacks of aphasia. Where he'd know the words he wanted to say but when he tried to talk all that would come out is groaning and moaning and other such sounds
23:35 <hsn> for long time ?
24:05 <Nothing\> he called this afternoon and I was talking to him while our Mum was driving up to see him for the second time. Talking to him, he sounded RELATIVELY okay. As in, he could form coherent sentences. But little of what he said actually made sense.
25:02 <Nothing\> like he was saying how he was on the computer and fell asleep and rolled forward and he was in the ER and the doctor was asking him stuff and i'm having a hell of a time trying to follow him
25:09 <Nothing\> then he pisses himself
25:27 <hsn> how old is he ?
25:29 <Nothing\> then he has another stroke and strarts moaning and groaning
25:31 <Nothing\> 42
25:41 <Nothing\> but he abuses his prescriptions really heavily
25:49 <hsn> ah man .. why
26:03 <Nothing\> ones which in particular, lower your seizure threshold and raise your blood pressure which would cause strokes
26:12 <hsn> i hate drugs .. try to not use as much as possible ..
26:35 <Nothing\> hsn: combination of it runs in the family and a broken marriage with kids he never gets to see
26:38 <Nothing\> same as me
27:06 <hsn> why u cant see kids ?
27:20 <Nothing\> she doesn't wanna see me
27:30 <Nothing\> she's 18 in october and it's her choice
27:30 <hsn> T_T
27:51 <hsn> socially unacceptable to do that here
28:17 <hsn> socially u r bad person if u dont respect your parents no matter what they did ..
28:20 <Nothing\> plus the guy who raised her... honestly he provided for her a lot better than i ever could, raised her better than i ever could, in short, he was superior to me as a father in almost every way
28:52 <hsn> doesnt matter .. u love her right ?
29:25 <Nothing\> i do. I love her enough to let another man raise her if that means it's what's best for her.
29:43 <Nothing\> and she associates him with being her father more than me
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30:05 <Nothing\> i mean, she knows i'm her father. She was old enough when we divorced that she knows who i am
30:47 <Nothing\> but she just wants nothing to do with me. And after some strife, I just gave in and let it be. Se I haven't seen her in 6 years
31:20 <hsn> send her somthing .. be annoying every year once or somthing ?
31:25 <Nothing\> every time she came over it'd just be tense and uneasy and I could tell she didn't want to be there. And she didn't think very highly of me.
31:53 <Nothing\> She assumed that i I spent all of my time just playing video games and watching movies
32:36 <Nothing\> and now that she's older and i'm out of the picture, I'm sure her mother's told her all about my drug history according to HER
33:36 <Nothing\> and my mental illness. Which I tried to be open with her about but her mother is basically a karen so she thinks mentally ill people are scum or some shit
34:02 <Nothing\> she outright accused me of faking my mental illness for whatever benefit you get from it
34:32 <hsn> sorry man i've to go to meeting .. late a bit
34:38 <hsn> but really
34:41 <Nothing\> hey no worries. I understand.
34:48 <hsn> this:: <hsn> send her somthing .. be annoying every year once or somthing ?
34:55 <Nothing\> But I appreciate you listening man
35:01 <Nothing\> it really helps
35:11 <hsn> no worries .. sad to hear all that though
35:15 <Nothing\> even if you just sit there and do nothing but listen. It helps a lot.
35:48 <Nothing\> it is unfortunate but it was over the course of about 15 years so it's long in the past at the point
35:55 <Nothing\> well
36:02 <Nothing\> i dunno, parts of it are i guess
36:21 <Nothing\> anyways, you have a good meeting
00:29 <K> hello bottles
38:25 <Halcyon> Hey injection mould
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39:43 <doggyrat> hello
40:44 <Halcyon> Hey doggyrat
43:26 <doggyrat> hello Halcyon how are you doing , are you working daytime or nightshift
45:05 <Halcyon> I only do day shifts
45:08 <Halcyon> I finished at 1700
46:46 <doggyrat> i have been to the Fablab yesterday , was no longer allowed to use my cheap and bad filament for printing , just to avoid damage to the 3D printer
47:31 <doggyrat> that is ok, need to buy a higher quality with less dirt in it, i got black filament
48:14 <doggyrat> special into black there is added a lot of shit to make more profit, as in black you do not see that
48:59 <doggyrat> ok i just paid about Au$ 15 for a 1 KG roll
49:29 <K> that is sus low price
50:27 <doggyrat> K: i do agree with you , but i did not have a clue that there are such big differences in quality of the same kind of filament
51:43 <doggyrat> any idea where i do get good quality in china, because it will be still much cheaper than buying from a chinese product reseller here in germany
52:12 <K> dunno
52:19 <K> i stick to verbatim pla
52:29 <K> it is not quite that cheap
52:42 <K> but is consistent and prints very well
54:59 <Halcyon> doggyrat, I thought you were in 'Straya?
59:00 <doggyrat> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTPwbVqU6lc
59:02 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: ◄ FICTIONAL STARSHIPS Size COMPARISON ► 3D 🛸
00:50 <Nothing\> fucking hell
01:09 <doggyrat> sorry Halcyon , i think i did indicate my location many time
01:10 <Nothing\> i can't shake the sense that my brother is dead or will be dead by tomorrow
01:44 <Nothing\> which freaks me out because there have been a lot of instances of me thinking about things like that just before they happen
01:54 <Nothing\> and it's been ramping up lately
02:15 <doggyrat> sorry to hear about your loss
02:18 <Nothing\> i don't necessarily know that said events will happen when i think of them
02:25 <Nothing\> bet they end up happening
02:30 <doggyrat> did he die in an accident
02:45 <Nothing\> doggyrat, he's not dead just in the hospital right now
02:48 <Nothing\> but thank you
03:19 <Nothing\> no, he had several strokes and seizures as a result of long term abuse of his medications
03:46 <doggyrat> how old is he
03:51 <Nothing\> 42
04:05 <doggyrat> :(
04:14 <Nothing\> it seems to run in our family
04:15 <doggyrat> much to young for a stroke
04:21 <Nothing\> i had my first stroke before i was 30
04:33 <Nothing\> luckily it didn't do anything noticable
04:59 <Nothing\> they just found out about it doing an MRI for something else. They found the lesion where they brain tissue had been destroyed
05:39 <doggyrat> is it already know how severe his neurological disabilities will be because of the stroke
05:51 <Nothing\> no clue what caused it but I was thinking it would probably be a good idea to go in for another MRI to see if I've had any more since
06:09 <Nothing\> and maybe actuallly investigate this further like they should have in the first place
06:37 <Nothing\> doggyrat, no but his speech is affected the worst
07:07 <Nothing\> whenever he has a stroke he has full blown aphasia, where he knows what he wants to say, but all that comes out is moaning and groaning
07:35 <doggyrat> probably he will be able to recover from that if he does speech training
08:11 <Nothing\> last time i spoke to him on the phone he was waiting for my mom to get there and he was talking fine, then he pissed himself and started moaning and graning and couldn't talk anymore
08:25 <Nothing\> and he had me on speaker phone, so i'm yelling out for the nurse, hoping they'll hear me
08:41 <Nothing\> but thankfully my mom arrived after a minute or so
09:20 <Nothing\> doggyrat, yeah even when i talked to him he was slurring really bad but the medications he abuses can do that too
09:33 <doggyrat> sorry i guess eevblog is not the right channel to discus that medical issue
09:57 <Nothing\> they also lower your seizure threshold and raise your BP which would put you at risk of a stroke if you have a hypetensive crisis
10:14 <Nothing\> so i figure that's probably what happened
11:44 <Nothing\> meanwhile while he was on the phone with me, he was saying he was getting out as soon as his IV bag was done and that when he got home he was gonna take all sorts of different drugs, many of which would make his situation much worse, like mixing sleeping pills with beer
12:14 <Nothing\> but thankfully the hospital staff kept him on one of those 72 hour involuntary holds
12:28 <Nothing\> and posted a security guard right outside his door
12:56 <Nothing\> and said they'd put him in restraints if he tried to leave like he kept saying he was gonna do
13:17 <steve30> o/
13:24 <Nothing\> hey steve30
13:27 <Nothing\> how ya doing?
13:35 <steve30> I've just been out for a walk in the sunshine
13:39 * Nothing\ is surprised at what time it is
13:53 <Nothing\> i can't even see the sun yet
13:56 <Nothing\> soon, though
14:05 <Nothing\> literally any minute
14:29 * doggyrat likes the eevblog youtube channel
15:00 <Nothing\> doggyrat, you and me both
15:35 <Nothing\> his videos before about 1000 are part of the reason i got into UU
15:45 <doggyrat> but most of the things are too complicated for me
16:38 <steve30> I also like eevblog
16:49 <steve30> He was the first "Youtuber" I started watching regularly back in 2011
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18:04 <Nothing\> i can't even remember the first youtuber i got into
18:38 <Nothing\> the earliest one i remember was a channel called "is it a good idea to microwave this?" which is pretty self explanatory
18:51 <Nothing\> but it was already 2010 by that point so i'd been on youtube for several years
27:04 * steve30 should get some food
38:43 <Halcyon> Hey steve30 :P
48:43 <steve30> hi Halcyon
48:55 <steve30> I'm just wondering whether to go to Manchester on Friday
29:14 <Halcyon> What's in Manchester?
29:21 <Halcyon> More spankings?
37:46 * jaymax backs out of room slowly.
49:14 <doggyrat> Halcyon: did you confuse the channel :P
49:37 <Halcyon> No, steve30 just isn't paying attention
50:01 <Halcyon> Also, sup Jay :P
50:37 <jaymax> Ayyyyy!
52:07 <Halcyon> https://youtu.be/36NgkpctW6k?t=118
52:08 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: How the Apple 1 computer works.
52:11 <Halcyon> That is a chonky cap
52:27 <jaymax> 8-Bit Guy?
52:34 <Halcyon> Yep
52:50 <jaymax> That was my observation when watching it as well.
53:42 <jaymax> I have a C64c, so I am moderately motivated to set up that Apple I container.
54:23 <Halcyon> I just ordered a new PSU for my C64
54:38 <Halcyon> I'm assuming you know about the issue with C64 power supplies?
55:20 <jaymax> I ended up building my own with two separate wall-worts. Disgusting implementation aesthetically but it's fine.
55:29 <Halcyon> Good stuff :)
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55:35 <Halcyon> As long as you aren't blowing shit up[
56:56 <jaymax> Protip: the US Robotics external modems uses a 9VAC wall-wort that is perfect for what's needed. Then just find a decent 5VDC one.
57:28 <Halcyon> I ordered one of these: https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/113288010296
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58:13 <jaymax> I ended up connecting the DIN cable and adpators into a smallish project box with it's own switch and LED.
00:47 <jaymax> Neat design of that 2in1. The 1541's in these parts had the IEC connector tho.
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04:17 <Halcyon> So doggyrat
04:24 <Halcyon> Canadia eh?
04:28 * Ampera hugs Halcyon 
04:35 <Halcyon> Morning Ampera
04:35 <Ampera> canfuckystan
04:54 <Halcyon> If you're going to hug me, can you at least put underwear on?
05:57 <Ampera> Halcyon, it's obvious that it's late there, you're already dreaming :P
06:03 <Ampera> I happen to be fully clothed at this moment
06:06 <Halcyon> It's 2100
06:17 <Ampera> past my bedtime
06:28 <K> is it autumn yet?
06:52 <Halcyon> K: It's still winter here. I can't wait for spring.
07:04 <Halcyon> Fucking hate this cold shit
07:22 <Ampera> I think I may have noticed something insanely irritating about my monitor
07:28 <Ampera> when off, it doesn't charge my laptop
07:34 <Halcyon> You can see your reflection in it?
07:34 <Halcyon> Oh
07:42 <steve30> Halcyon, just a free live music thing
07:51 <Halcyon> Oh, do it Steve :)
08:11 <Halcyon> Go and have a cider
08:24 <steve30> I can catch a bus there and back for £10 (1.5 hours each way, plus 45 minutes on the bike to get to Sheffield where the bus departs).
08:39 <Halcyon> Mmmm
08:44 <Halcyon> That's a long drive just for some music
09:07 <steve30> I was going to go to Doncaster's gay pride on Saturday but its been cancelled due to you-know-what-disease.
09:21 <Ampera> racism?
09:28 <Halcyon> I thought COVID was banned in the UK?
09:55 <K> mad cow?
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10:04 <Halcyon> Mmmmm cow
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10:43 <steve30> there are very few legal restrictions now, but various organisations still like to impose 'safety' on everyone.
11:12 <Halcyon> Yeh that sounds like bullshit
14:42 <Halcyon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EdPwm_YTrw
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14:46 <Halcyon> Have a birb steve30
15:28 <steve30> I did read about a free one (can't remember where) which has decided to do advanced bookings so that they can do the event in a fenced off area so they can check people's vaccine passports on entry.
16:19 <Halcyon> They have to change the legislation here before we get "vaccine passports". But I suspect it's coming real soon, which is great.
16:48 <Ampera> We've had vaccine passports here for months
16:54 <Ampera> thank fuck nobody actually checks them
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16:59 <steve30> At the moment there is no legislation for it, so if someone wants to implement vaccine passports, they can.
17:27 <Halcyon> At the moment, it's against anti-discrimination laws. In other words, private organisations can't refuse services or even ask about your vaccination status.
17:33 <Halcyon> That's all about to change.
17:39 <Ampera> Also my premonition as to if the state government would be able to institute a new mask mandate may be correct
17:48 <jaymax> This might be an inappropriate question, but what has been your experiences with breaktrough symptoms in your regions? Is all this negating any usefulness of a passport?
17:49 <Ampera> as Cuomo has asked the counties to do it instead
18:25 <Halcyon> jaymax, we haven't had any cases in our area. But we get lumped in "Sydney" just because.
18:37 <Halcyon> I think it's a good thing.
18:41 <Ampera> I think we've been through enough shit, at this point open the flood gates, we have the vaccine, it considerably reduces the impact of the disease, if people don't want it, we shouldn't just wait around for the virus to mutate on us again.
19:03 <Halcyon> Lift restrictions for those who are vaccinated. It's fairly simple.
19:08 <steve30> Halcyon, I don't think it breaches discrimination law here. It may breach the Human Rights Act but as the government is 'encouraging' passports, it will take people to sue for a precident to be made.
19:30 <Halcyon> Our Government are even toying with the idea of paying each and every person to get vaccinated before the end of the year.
19:36 <Ampera> In times of war, the rule of law falls silent.
19:44 <Ampera> we're already doing that
19:48 <Ampera> 100 bucks if you get vaccinated
19:50 <Halcyon> Yeh, and it works
19:55 <jaymax> Something I recall months ago is the big question of if even mRNA jabs stop the sprerad of infection or if it merely reduces the impact of symptoms.
19:59 <Halcyon> Because people are stupid
20:00 <Ampera> which is fine, go home to home and give it on the doorstep
20:06 <Ampera> but under no circumstances should it be forced
20:08 <Halcyon> They want to give $300 for everyone before December
20:16 <Ampera> even getting businesses to force it is a bit much
20:21 <jaymax> If it is the latter, maybe pox parties for the vaccinated?
20:45 <jaymax> /joke - well maybe
20:53 <Ampera> no really
20:58 <steve30> jaymax, I had a cough earlier on this year and was eagerly awaiting some unqualified person to try and diagnose me with coronavirus, but they didn't :p
21:02 <Halcyon> Vaccination is always a choice. But it's also your choice to accept the negatives that come along with it. Be it, travel, insurance whatever...
21:02 <Ampera> at this point, we've got most of the people who are willing to get the shot
21:04 <Ampera> pox party it
21:36 <Ampera> It should not be legal to force a person to undergo medical treatment.
21:49 <Halcyon> I don't think it is? Anywhere in the world?
21:49 <Ampera> There are very few cases where I think an absolute vaccine mandate is justified.
21:54 <Halcyon> Unless it's life saving
22:06 <Ampera> Lots of businesses are doing it over here
22:16 <Ampera> and people are genuinely wondering if the state has the balls and guns to try it
22:16 <Halcyon> Yeh we don't and never will have it here
22:35 <Halcyon> But, if you don't get vaccinated, expect some limitations. If you are happy to live with those, so be it.
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22:45 <jaymax> This.
22:46 <Ampera> That is still forcing people.
22:51 <Halcyon> It's not
23:03 <Ampera> People are very eager to make limitations so severe people are not allowed to leave their homes to shop for food
23:07 <Ampera> that is quite literally the case in Saudi Arabia
23:14 <Halcyon> It's no different to now if you want to travel overseas. You need certain immunisations otherwise, no ticket for you.
23:20 <Halcyon> How is this any different?
23:37 <Ampera> Because a nation has the right to reject your entry into their country for just about any reason they wish.
23:58 <Halcyon> At least in Australia, you can't lose your job for refusing a vaccine (any vaccine) nor can you be penalised.
24:01 <Ampera> A nation should not have the right to force its citizens to undo a medical treatment, or face consequences
24:02 <jaymax> It depends on how "some limitations" gets defined. There is a bit too much enthusiasm to what all it should count for.
24:12 <Ampera> That's how it is here, right now.
24:16 <Ampera> That is one of the consequences.
24:20 <Halcyon> However, rightfully so, if you don't have certain vaccines, you can't perform certain roles.
24:27 <Ampera> like what
24:46 <Halcyon> Front line, you need to have Hepatitis vaccines and something else, I forget what
24:57 <jaymax> Tb as well
24:58 <Ampera> The only situation I think it's justified is medical professionals and teachers
25:03 <Halcyon> TB that's it
25:16 <Ampera> maybe one or two other edge cases
25:18 <Halcyon> Police, firies, ambos, nurses, doctors?
25:29 <jaymax> If you ever tested postive for MRSA, your healthcare career can be on the line as well.
25:39 <Ampera> and even then, it's a known and willing violation of people's personal rights and freedoms, even if it's simply on a professional level.
25:49 <Halcyon> Then don't do that job
25:50 <Halcyon> Simples
25:52 <Ampera> If you can't be fired for being black, you shouldn't be fired for refusing to undergo a treatment.
26:09 <Ampera> Oh that was really simple for black people too. Just sit in the back, simples.
26:16 <Halcyon> Oh the simple case is, if you don't get those shots, you don't get to be a police officer.
26:41 <Ampera> Don't sit in the back? You just don't get to ride the bus.
26:46 <Halcyon> However you CAN get those shots and be deemed a "non-responder" which basically means your body sucks and the vaccine didn't work and still get in.
27:04 <jaymax> MRSA spreads a bit too easily in hospitals as it is. It gets really screwy if an employer fires you for having it when it was the workplace that exposed you to it in the first place.
27:13 <Ampera> What if you have a life threatening allergic reaction to vaccines
27:34 <Halcyon> Then thems the cards you were dealt
27:45 <Halcyon> I'm sorry, but no individual outweighs the greater good.
27:47 <Ampera> So you are simply not allowed to work certain jobs because of how you were born?
27:50 <Halcyon> You aren't special. Neither am I.
27:54 <Halcyon> Yep
27:57 <Halcyon> Tough titties
28:16 <Ampera> That is an absolute violation of people's innate rights to be equal.
28:34 <Halcyon> No difference to those who can't pass physical testing standards, or who were born with a disability, or can't see.....
28:37 <Halcyon> Bullshit
28:42 <Ampera> and for reasonable accommodation to be made for them to be elevated to that state.
28:46 <Halcyon> People aren't equal. Not everyone can do every job.
28:48 <Halcyon> So be it.
29:11 <Ampera> The difference is people fail on merit, not on biology.
29:20 <Halcyon> That's life. You don't get a particiption award for just showing up
29:31 <Halcyon> Sometimes it is about biology
29:47 <Halcyon> That's the reality of it
31:11 <Ampera> Well you're the same person who thinks Asians lack the mental biology to be capable of driving properly
31:14 <Ampera> so whatever
31:23 <Halcyon> That's untrue.
31:27 <Ampera> I can pull logs.
31:36 <Halcyon> Which you misinterpreted.
31:39 <Ampera> You know you said it, and I know you did too.
31:50 <Ampera> You said most Asians do not have the right kind of minds to be capable of driving properly.
32:06 <Halcyon> It's the way they are taught.
32:27 <jaymax> I'll loop back around to ask how effective the jab appears to be against the spread. If the jab only lessens the impact of symptoms, then the no-jab limitations seem less meaningful as they feign protection from those who don't or cannot get the jab.
32:31 <Halcyon> Look at Asian people who are brought up in Western countries, they do just fine.
33:46 <Halcyon> jaymax, it's two pronged, not only do you avoid (or become less sick) if you've been vaccinated, the chances of passing it onto someone else who is vaccinated is significantly lowered, by a huge degree.
34:20 <Halcyon> It's not perfect, but it's the best we have
34:48 <Halcyon> Same as the flu shot. Just because you have it, doesn't mean you are 100% protected.
36:06 <Ampera> May 25 21:54:46 <Halcyon> It's like saying Asian or Indian drivers are generally awful behind the wheel of a car
36:15 <Halcyon> Yes?
36:20 <Ampera> May 25 21:56:33 <Halcyon> Not just one or two, but about 80% of them
36:29 <Halcyon> OK, so I made up the 80% thing
36:31 <Halcyon> So?
36:32 <Ampera> May 25 22:02:31 <Halcyon> Either they are incapable of thinking outside the box and adapting to conditions, that their driver education is minimal or they just don't care?
36:36 <Halcyon> Yep
36:44 <jaymax> Fair. If a quarter of the vaccinated are thyphoid mary's, then it (to me) asks if liberites to the vaccinated are misplaced - as is (some) of the blame on the unvaccinated.
37:07 <Ampera> You said 80% of Asians are likely incapable of thinking creatively
37:23 <jaymax> FWIW, I got both of the mRNA doses, so I'm spitballing from a certain role.
37:35 <Halcyon> Did you miss the other two points? Or did you just selectively choose to ignore them becuase it didn't suit your interpretation?
37:37 <Ampera> May 25 21:55:08 <Halcyon> If something is true, how can it be racist?
38:05 <Ampera> 80% of all Asians just not being educated is pretty bad too
38:18 <Ampera> 80% of all Asians not caring what happens in traffic is also pretty bad
38:18 <Halcyon> I'm sure they are educated
38:31 <Halcyon> But reading a book doesn't teach you how to drive
38:42 <Ampera> There's more than one type of education...
38:46 <Halcyon> Yes, there is
39:18 <Halcyon> I don't see the issue?
39:37 <Halcyon> Just like biology, some people cannot grasp driving
40:13 <Ampera> So you admit it
40:14 <Halcyon> Whether it's due to reaction time, lack of perceptiveness, lack of motor skills, inability to multi-task, not giving a fuck?
40:27 <Halcyon> I admit that some people suck at driving, yes, 100% I do
40:31 <Ampera> You think most Asians are biologically incapable of having the mental fortitude to drive properly
40:34 <Halcyon> I will no apologise for that
40:39 <Halcyon> Incorrect
40:40 <K> real men dont care for no traffic lights
40:44 <Ampera> You just fucking said it
40:48 <Halcyon> *sigh*
40:59 <Ampera> I have logs of you saying it
41:03 <Halcyon> I'm done with that conversation. I can go around and around with you, it achieves nothing.
41:13 <Ampera> Because you just can't stand the fact that you might actually be racist
41:18 <Ampera> and you have to always be correct
41:20 <Halcyon> As you said, there is more than one type of education.
41:24 <Halcyon> Not at all
41:31 <Ampera> since your ego is as thick as your skull
41:39 <Halcyon> In fact, I welcome being wrong, because it means I learnt something I didn't know before.
41:51 <Ampera> Well, welcome this, you're dead fucking wrong.
41:56 <Halcyon> Cool
42:11 <K> look at ampera talkin about fucking and stuff
42:16 <Ampera> The kinda wrong that lead to some of the worst periods in human history for hundreds of years
42:46 <Halcyon> The other cool thing is, we are all entitled to our own opinions. I respect yours and if I disagree, I explain how. But I can't change your mind. No one can do that apart from yourself.
42:53 <Halcyon> But then again, I have no intention of trying.
43:14 <K> dang it, my feeble attempts to derail this trainwreck of discussion are not effective at all :|
43:19 <Halcyon> Because I really don't give a crap if someone disagrees with me.
43:30 <Halcyon> K, no, I picked up on it :P
43:39 <Ampera> Of course you don't, because if you did, you might actually be able to sit down and have a change of opinion once in your life.
44:16 <Halcyon> Well, considering I've been alive almost twice as long as you have, I have changed my opinion about many things and many peope in my time.
44:22 <Halcyon> *people
44:27 <Ampera> I have that exact same word in your logs.
44:34 <Ampera> You being twice as old is absolutely meaningless
44:36 <Halcyon> Yep, and I stand by that
44:46 <Halcyon> I have experience to back that up
44:47 <Ampera> You're just using the same innate nature bullshit that justifies your absolute racism.
44:55 <Halcyon> I'm not racist though?
45:00 <Ampera> Yes you fucking are
45:10 <Halcyon> Because you say I am?
45:25 <Ampera> Gaslighting isn't going to make it go away.
45:39 <Halcyon> *shrug* Call it what you like. It's the truth ain't it?
45:49 <Halcyon> Anyway, this is going no where fast.
46:12 <Halcyon> I really don't understand why this nonsense was brought up again.
46:49 <K> ampera be grumpy in the mornings
47:05 <Halcyon> K, what's going on in your neck of the woods?
47:24 <Halcyon> Actually, hold that thought, got to pee
47:24 <Ampera> Racism is not a small deal in the US. People use it to justify their own petty wars. When real, actual racism exist, I get pissed.
47:31 <Ampera> *exists
47:41 <Halcyon> I don't have time for racism Ampera, neither do the majority of Australians.
47:51 <Halcyon> We need to move on and deal with more important shit
48:01 <Ampera> Ah, so you're just too busy to be racist, if you had more hours in the day you could probably fit it in.
48:03 <Halcyon> And not crap like "cheese is named Coon"
48:30 <Ampera> https://youtu.be/6zkL91LzCMc?t=75
48:31 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: I Hear You're A Racist Now, Father! - Father Ted
48:46 <K> Halcyon, tha autumn is coming, delta is slowly rising (albeit quite a bit slower than in est and lit), vacacacation is up next week
48:49 <Halcyon> Ampera, I would LOVE more hours in the day, but I'd probably just buy more crap on ebay that I don't need
50:21 <Halcyon> K, 1 more month of winter for us :(
50:37 <Halcyon> Although I can smell jasmine in the air, spring is coming. I am so excited.
51:10 <jaymax> Halcyon I have that problem with eBay too
51:25 <steve30> I've never seen Father ted
51:38 <jaymax> I got a parts list I'd be writing up in the next few days unfortunately.
51:40 <Halcyon> jaymax, I just bought an external 56k modem, a telephone line emulator and some other things
52:05 <Halcyon> My "dream" has been to be able to "dial-up" the interwebs on my old machines like the old days
52:10 <Ampera> steve30, it's a terrific show
52:16 <Halcyon> Anyone can throw a NIC into a PC, that's boring as fuck
52:18 <Ampera> too bad the guy who made it turned out to be a jackass
52:32 <Ampera> but when he did have his sense of humor, it was a good one
52:51 <Ampera> Whole show is on YouTube iirc
52:56 <Ampera> for free too
54:30 <jaymax> Acutally, recommendations for a free-floating switch with fuse that I can put in-line between two XT60 connectors? 40VDC 30A (or so) since I did an eBike build and neglected to consider something between by DIY battery and the motor controler.
54:51 <jaymax> Water resistance would be useful.
55:27 <Halcyon> Now you're getting technical
56:12 <hsn> hello Halcyon
56:27 <Halcyon> Hey hsn
56:32 <hsn> i disagree with u
56:36 <Halcyon> How goes it in the land of warmth
56:42 <Halcyon> Alrighty :)
56:43 <hsn> can u give me crape ?
56:57 <Halcyon> I've never made crapes before? I could try?
56:58 <hsn> its going fanny :D
57:08 <hsn> <Halcyon> Because I really don't give a crap if someone disagrees with me.
57:17 <hsn> give me crape
57:33 <Halcyon> The offer was for "crap" only
57:44 <hsn> the offer gives "dont give crap"
57:46 <hsn> :P
57:56 <hsn> so instead give crape
58:03 <Halcyon> That's racist hsn :P
58:16 <hsn> racist against crape or craps ?
58:24 <Halcyon> I dunno, mix it up, you choose.
58:29 <hsn> :P
58:36 <Halcyon> Although I should try to make crapes. They look interesting.
58:42 <hsn> i agree
58:56 <Halcyon> Savoury ones though, not a fan of sweet stuff
59:16 <hsn> anything food is welcome
59:30 <Halcyon> https://www.allrecipes.com/recipe/235494/easy-savoury-crepes/
59:31 <EEVBot> [Title] - Easy Savoury Crepes Recipe | Allrecipes
59:58 <hsn> only 6 steps
00:00 <hsn> bummer
00:13 <jaymax> or for a cleaner experience https://based.cooking
00:15 <EEVBot> [Title] - Based Cooking
00:23 <steve30> Ampera, personally I quite like Graham Linehan.
00:33 <Halcyon> jaymax, I approve of your style of website
00:36 <Halcyon> So simple
00:54 <Ampera> steve30, he's a massive hypocrite and a censorist
00:57 <hsn> but the blue text is ugly
01:05 <Halcyon> OMG Yorkshire puddings
01:06 <Halcyon> Nom
01:18 <hsn> https://based.cooking/crab-salad.html
01:19 <EEVBot> [Title] - Crab salad Recipe -- Based Cooking
01:50 <Halcyon> I recall a similar website... Very simple, no bullshit....
02:04 <Halcyon> Actually it was a PDF book...
05:15 <Halcyon> It'll come to me at 0300 tomorrow morning as I'm laying in bed
05:47 <jaymax> Halcyon I tried the no-knead bread recipe over the weekend - I may have to adjust that ingredient list - it worked out not the best for me.
06:28 <Halcyon> I've found with "no kneed" breads, there is always "some kneed"
06:57 <Halcyon> If you have a stand mixer, let that do the work for you. If you can really start forming the gluten and stretching out the dough, it helps a lot.
07:10 * electrohead pokes Halcyon
07:18 <jaymax> BTW, that PDF book may have been the one from the early internet, in the newsgroups. I friend of mine contributed to in back in the 1980's.
07:29 <Halcyon> Possibly jaymax
07:33 * Halcyon pounces on electrohead 
07:46 * Ampera attack-hugs electrohead 
07:48 <Ampera> how are you doing
07:49 <Halcyon> I do have the link somewhere
07:59 <jaymax> net.general maybe.
08:27 <Halcyon> I have a funny feeling someone posted it on the forum
10:14 <Halcyon> It was like "Recipes for engineers" or something along those lines
11:32 <Halcyon> Anyway it was along the same lines as based.cooking. Real simple, no pomp and faff. Just deliciousness.
13:52 <+electrohead> Halcyon: that twitter link you posted last night LOL
14:00 <Halcyon> :P
14:16 <+electrohead> I'd just never strap that to my head :P
14:18 <Halcyon> You laugh but I suspect you ACTUALLY have a hat like that
14:26 <+electrohead> not a hat, no..
14:30 <Halcyon> Hahahaha
14:34 <Halcyon> WiFi undies?
14:36 <Halcyon> :P
14:39 <+electrohead> just a hand-held wooden stick
14:43 <+electrohead> and then my railing outside
14:46 <+electrohead> :p
14:49 <Halcyon> Actually that's not a bad idea
15:13 <Halcyon> How many different flat flex antennas can you stitch into underwear?
15:24 <Halcyon> Same bands don't count
15:39 <+electrohead> lmfao..
15:52 <+electrohead> many different factors
15:59 <Halcyon> Extra points for lower frequency :P
16:17 <+electrohead> what frequency are you starting at? what are you ending at? bigger question, how big the underwear?
16:25 <+electrohead> heh
16:30 <Halcyon> You're asking too many questions
16:40 <Halcyon> The answer to the last question is: How big is your ass?
17:08 <Halcyon> And RX only obviously :P
17:10 <+electrohead> lol
17:47 * electrohead delay-hugs Ampera
18:03 <Halcyon> How cool would that be though? War driving undies?
18:16 <Halcyon> But also ones that do Zigbee etc... at 433 MHz
19:31 <Halcyon> Anyway if you're up, it means it's my bed time, I have to teach some dickhead about some shit tomorrow.
29:54 <+electrohead> Lmao, alright man
29:57 <+electrohead> You have a good night
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38:55 <doggyrat> hello electrohead
39:05 <doggyrat> was away for a short nap
54:00 <+electrohead> hey o/
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21:14 <doggyrat> hello german Kuschelpony
21:14 <EEVBot> Hello, doggyrat!
21:28 <doggyrat> i am a HundeRatz
28:51 <Kuschelpony> Hello doggyrat, you mixed animal, or animal mix, or which way you prefer
29:17 <Kuschelpony> greetings from south germany
29:33 <Ampera> greetings from very west germany
31:52 * doggyrat is a located in germany nuremberg
32:02 <Ampera> there are too many germans in this channel
32:10 <Ampera> I am located in NY, which is like Germany, but our politicians are somehow even worse
39:09 <Kuschelpony> hmmm, i wonder if you are perhaps an doggy that i already know RL :)
39:30 <Kuschelpony> Ampera, certainly not worse, just different problems
39:41 <Ampera> The grass is always browner on the other side.
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