#eevblog - 2021-08-06 - AustNet Archive Project

// #eevblog — 2021-08-06

1996 1997 1998 1999 2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009 2010 2011 2012 2013 2014 2015 2016
Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31
« 2021-08-05 2021-08-07 »
04:36 <coppice> what batteries does it use?
05:21 <kiska> 3x AAA
05:47 <coppice> a warning at 4.3 seems unreasonable.
06:36 <kiska> With the thing not powering on at 4.15V, I can't use rechargeable batteries
06:58 <coppice> It must be rather limited if it only senses from the feet. The good ones have a handset as well
07:33 <kiska> I guess I get what I paid for, I paid AU$26 for the thing
09:05 <coppice> Many of these things are made for the "gift" market, where looking pretty is important, but being functional is not
09:20 <kiska> I've compared it with a professionally done body composition and the results are ±3% off
09:30 <Ampera> I've always hated AA's
10:00 <Ampera> anything that uses them is a pain in the ass
10:43 <coppice> kiska: that seems quite impressive correlation for any of these machines to achieve, even the high end ones
11:12 <kiska> https://server8.kiska.pw/uploads/315eb16cad9baf17/Screenshot_20210806-001102_Renpho.jpg
11:18 <coppice> The Omron one we have is pretty consistent, but I've never compared it with any other machines
11:33 <kiska> I took the scales in with the professional service so I could compare them
13:13 <kiska> My weight on the professional service measured in at 86.3KG, 30.6% body fat, 59KG fat-free body weight, 26.5% Subcutaneous fat, 12.9 Visceral Fat, 49.8% Body water, 44.5% Skeletal Muscle, 55.8KG Muscle Mass, 3.1KG Bone mass, 15.6% Protein
14:58 <kiska> The professional service is expensive :D
15:04 <kiska> I paid AU$90 for it
15:36 <coppice> That match is so close, its like they used the same tool you used. :)
16:10 <kiska> :D
16:26 <kiska> Like I expected more of a variance when I did the comparison
17:32 <coppice> I'd expect a LOT more variance than that between professional tools, apart from basics like mass, of course
17:44 <kiska> But yeah I paid for a DEXA scan, which I am told is the most accurate one
19:34 <coppice> How did the US come up with the idea of early voting? It seems bizarre,
20:18 <kiska> Huh?
20:27 <kiska> We call it "pre-polling"
28:17 <kiska> But anyway my current annoyance is the scales refuse to turn on when there is less than 4.15V at the terminal
28:49 <kiska> I think I am stuck to just buying packs of AAA batteries :D
30:09 <K> how much energy does a scale need?
30:38 <kiska> I have no clue
30:40 <K> the one i have at home uses some CRxxxx button and i've changed it twice in 6 years or somth
30:43 <kiska> Haven't been able to measure them
39:03 <kiska> I've got fresh cells in them measuring 4.58V, 52mA turned on
39:16 <kiska> 18mA doing its boot cycle
40:29 <K> ah it is the "smart" scale
40:40 <K> missed the conversation before
41:19 <K> he coppice, maybe you can hint on what is going on here - https://imgur.com/a/5aumpdp
41:20 <EEVBot> [Title] - Imgur: The magic of the Internet
41:21 <kiska> Its a body composition one
41:58 <K> it is difference amp using LT1115 wich is supposed to have more than enough slew rate to do this
42:00 <kiska> Unfortunately I only have 2 hands and can't seem to trigger it when its doing its composition scanning phase
43:07 <K> do the chopped off corners after the long drops to the negative side have anything to do with that?
43:32 <kiska> Hopefully copious amounts of sticky tape can solve my lack of more than 2 hands problem :D
45:25 <K> hmm, maybe too much capacitance downstream?
45:51 <K> it does feed into lowpass filtering section
46:16 <K> kiska, can you stick some alu foil and cheeze it that way?
47:23 <K> heh, indeed, if i disconnect the filter section and just load the diff opamp with 100k, it goes away
52:25 <kiska> I give up trying to measure the second phase, ie the body composition
54:31 <kiska> This is the multimeter I have currently https://www.jaycar.com.au/low-cost-digital-multimeter-dmm/p/QM1500
54:35 <EEVBot> [Title] -
54:39 <kiska> I just don't have croc clips
00:29 <EEVBot> [Twitter] - eevblog - NEW EEVblog Video! EEVblog 1412 - Argon Ion Laser TEARDOWN! https://t.co/rKtncbE3iP
26:52 Join: Nothing\ (~Shmendrick@cpe9050ca20a183-cm9050ca20a180.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) to #EEVblog
26:55 <Nothing\> heyo
27:18 <Nothing\> fuck it's like the desert here
27:35 <Nothing\> freezing at night, but as soon as that sun comes up, BAM 35 celsius
28:03 <Nothing\> only with almost 100% humidity so it feels closer to ~40
28:40 <Nothing\> lol i ganked a printer from the hospital
28:56 <Nothing\> it had a sticky note on it saying it was garbage and was just sitting on a chair so i scooped it up
29:02 * Ampera hugs Nothing\ 
29:04 <Ampera> how are you doing
29:06 <Nothing\> lol walked out the door with it and nobody even asked
29:11 <Nothing\> i'm doing better, thanks
29:21 <Nothing\> my brother's being discharged, but he's gonna fucking kill himself
29:37 <Nothing\> i mean, i told you all the shit he was gonna take when he got out
29:39 <Ampera> That's odd, usually it's the hospital that does that for you.
29:50 <Nothing\> Ampera, they're not helping
29:55 <Nothing\> i mean, he went into the ER with seizures
30:00 <Nothing\> been admitted 4 days
30:07 <Nothing\> but has he seen a neurologist?
30:08 <Nothing\> nope
30:16 <Nothing\> have they considered referring him to a neurologist?
30:20 <Nothing\> of course not
30:32 <Ampera> Shame he's not in the US, here unwarranted seizures are unconstitutional.
30:41 <coppice> Nothing\: are you sure you aren't just watching old Vin Diesel movies?
30:53 <Nothing\> lol Ampera
31:13 <Nothing\> coppice, yeah, but i'm sure the reaction to a vin diesel movie would be about the same
31:15 <coppice> Ampera: well, as least civil forfeitures are civil
31:30 <Nothing\> seizures, confusion, agitation plus the desire to overdose on drugs
31:50 <Ampera> Sounds like the average college student, has he been going back to school?
32:49 * Ampera hugs Nothing\ again for good measure
32:57 <Ampera> all the hope in the world for you and your brother.
33:06 <jaymax> Nothing\: I work for a hospital network and that was my case for an HP DL380 G5 server - was marked as trash (confimred with procurement), so I walked out the door with it and called a cab. Noone came up to me and asked questions.
33:25 <Ampera> jaymax, lucky
33:43 <jaymax> All the best when it comes to your brother.
34:21 <jaymax> But not Ampera's lol
34:30 <Ampera> haha yeah fuck my brother
34:39 <jaymax> No thanks. Ampera you
34:46 <jaymax> 'll need to have a story firtst.
35:16 <Ampera> we have enough creepy perverts in NY, thank you very much.
35:44 <Ampera> I think I might be having a stroke
35:49 <Ampera> does anyone smell toast
36:15 <K> nope
36:28 <jaymax> Dr. Penfield!
37:14 <jaymax> Not many people in here will understand that Heritage Minute.
38:03 <Nothing\> ugh
38:10 <Nothing\> fucking doctor appointment for ME just now
38:18 <Nothing\> cuz my shoulder's been fucked the last couple of months
39:16 Join: Kuschelpony ([email protected]) to #EEVblog
39:16 <Nothing\> he asks when it hurts so i tell him it's worst when i reach or try to scratch my back and he's like "yeah don't do those things cuz they'll reinjure the muscle" and i'm trying to tell him "yeah but it doesn't hurt all the time, so i forget there's a problem until I move it in a way that's painful"
39:30 <Nothing\> and he just says "well you know that this motion will hurt you, so don't do it"
39:36 <jaymax> Soft tissue damage at least?
39:46 <Nothing\> meanwhile i'm thinking "you hear that? it's the sound of what i said going over your fucking head"
39:49 <Nothing\> jaymax, yeah
39:53 <jaymax> I mean, consiering.
39:59 <Nothing\> think i slept on it in a way that damaged it
40:22 <Nothing\> but i've been making a point of not sleeping on it or stressing it or anything and it's just been getting worse
40:47 <Nothing\> lol i should have asked him for some flintstones chewable morphine for the pain
41:04 <jaymax> Oh those were the days. Lul
41:18 <Nothing\> yeah but you're not on methadone
41:28 <Nothing\> i am thanks to that shit
41:39 <Nothing\> actually it was my own undoing, i was making homemade laudenum
41:59 <Nothing\> really the pharm companies had nothing to do with it other than introducing me to opioids
42:10 <Nothing\> after that it was just a matter of getting a steady supply and i was done
42:40 <kiska> jaymax: Did you say... DL380 G5?
42:46 <jaymax> I'm not, no. Best I had was codience - actually I *think* I had oxy after one procedure and was sent home with codeine. BTW, the Penfield thing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUOG2g4hj8s
42:47 <Nothing\> that's when i discovered the laws at the time were very lax surrounding dried, raw poppy pods that are used in ornamental displays
42:47 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: Heritage Minutes: Wilder Penfield
42:51 <kiska> *shudders*
42:54 <Nothing\> they'd sell them by the hundreds on ebay
43:06 <jaymax> kiska it *was* a few years ago at least.
43:21 <Nothing\> and sans tolerance, 2-3 in a tea will get you really fucked. So it was so cheap and widely available. I didn't stand a chance.
43:24 <kiska> Even then... that thing consumes like 300W idle
43:35 <jaymax> But I did buy a G6 a year later and those were in the $200 range.
43:38 <Nothing\> but that quickly turned into 20-30 pods per cup of tea
43:39 <Ampera> you think that's bad? I have a DL580 G7
43:45 <Ampera> running in my basement right now
43:49 <Nothing\> my mom just got a new tablet
43:50 <Ampera> more like 1kW idle
43:54 <Nothing\> wtf
43:55 <kiska> I have a HPE C7000 running next to me right now
43:57 <Nothing\> 1kw
44:09 <Ampera> built a subpanel specifically for it to supply 240v 15A outlets
44:19 <Ampera> dual hot split phase outlets
44:25 <Ampera> that was a fun project
44:26 <Nothing\> man i remember back in the day sitting next to my computer with a 600 watt power supply in a little 10x12 foot room that was always sealed off from the outside
44:32 <Nothing\> it was like sitting next to a space heater
44:39 <Ampera> has 4 CPUs, 10 cores each, 128GB of RAM
44:55 <Nothing\> actually, it basically WAS like sitting next to a space heater on low, assuming a space heater on low dissipates 750watts
45:11 <kiska> Ampera: https://server8.kiska.pw/uploads/68273a76851df975/image.png :D
45:16 <Nothing\> i'd imagine they just use a voltage divider to cut the power in half
45:29 <Nothing\> and an american space heater is 1500watts, regardless of size
45:34 <Nothing\> which i think is stupid
45:40 <kiska> HPE C7000 is a 3 phase thing, you can run it single phase but... well 240V 15A plug is required :D
45:46 <jaymax> I have a DL385 G7 (6274 CPUs), with 140W idle, and am considering going back to the DL380 G6 (X5650 CPUs) since that had a 105W idle.
45:52 <Nothing\> kiska, is this a computer?
46:12 <Nothing\> a computer with a 3 phase power supply?
46:18 <kiska> https://server8.kiska.pw/uploads/82e31bb6170ac627/image.png
46:30 <Nothing\> kiska, i thought all plugs were 15 amps standard
46:41 <kiska> In Australia, 240V 10A is standard
46:42 <Nothing\> with 20 amp plugs being the ones with one vertical blade and one horizontal
46:48 <Nothing\> oh, you're aussie
46:50 <kiska> :D
46:51 <Nothing\> i'm talking american
47:01 <kiska> America, fuck yeah?
47:01 <Nothing\> you know
47:04 <Nothing\> the death trap plugs
47:08 <Ampera> https://prnt.sc/1jh8cqm
47:09 <EEVBot> [Title] - prnt.sc | 520: Web server is returning an unknown error
47:10 <Nothing\> kiska, canada, actually
47:15 <Ampera> guess it's not that bad idle
47:22 <Nothing\> so it's like america, but with all of the benefits and none of the downsides
47:23 <Ampera> full tilt I think I managed to get it to draw a bit over 1kW
47:36 <Nothing\> except apparently our healthcare system is just as bad as yours
47:43 <Ampera> it has four 1200W PSUs, so 4 way redundancy is probably not out of the realm of possibility
47:47 <coppice> I wonder if the UK chose 13A plugs as a nod to the power of stupid superstitions?
48:00 <Nothing\> i just read an article talking about how among 11 wealthy countries, canada had the 2nd worst healthcare, while US had the worst
48:03 <Ampera> especially since they're being fed 240V and thus have the full 1200W
48:14 <kiska> Ampera: This thing has 6x 240V 15A power supplies
48:45 <Ampera> well that's a blade server, and you seem to only have two blades in it
48:56 <Nothing\> Ampera, tell me if this sounds like a good idea. Considering everything my brother's done this week.
49:01 <kiska> There is 4 blades in it currently
49:03 <Nothing\> and everything he's said he's going to do
49:09 <coppice> Nothing\: interesting. I thought Canada was supposed to do quite well for health outcomes. You have to be careful about the metrics being using for comparing these things
49:14 <Ampera> ah, right, I looked back at the image just now
49:27 <Nothing\> since he's being discharged tonight and has sworn up and down he's going to take an overdose of several of his medications on top of booze
49:28 <Ampera> also it looks like it's only 1PSU active right now
49:53 <Nothing\> i figure what i should do is drop in on him tonight, surprise visit. When I KNOW he'll be fucked up
50:06 <Nothing\> then call 911 and have the paramedics take him back to the hospital
50:31 <Ampera> Nothing\, you know your brother and what that shit will do to him better than I.
50:38 <Nothing\> cuz they're discharging him, despite him saying he's gonna do all of this shit. Because he said he's doing it to get fucked up.
50:56 <Nothing\> But I told my Mom, if he told them he was gonna do it as a suicide attempt, they would NOT let him leave today.
50:56 <coppice> Nothing\: maybe they respect his personal choices
51:14 <Nothing\> coppice, his personal choices got him several strokes and seizures this week
51:26 <Nothing\> and a 72 hour involuntary hold at the hospital
51:33 <Nothing\> he's not safe
51:37 <Nothing\> nor in his right mind
51:54 <Nothing\> he doesn't even appreciate the gravity of the situation
52:07 <Nothing\> the other day he was bitching because they gave him whole wheat for his sandwich
52:27 <Nothing\> and because he's missing the olympics, and his sunflowers blooming and basically grasping at straws trying to get out
52:41 <Nothing\> like this'll give you an idea of how far gone he is
53:15 <Nothing\> when he demanded to be let out because he said he'd be fine, the nurse asked where he got his medical degree from. His reply was that he didn't have one, but he had a masters in sociology and anthropology
53:21 <Nothing\> which is completely irrelevant and untrue
53:36 <Nothing\> so i mean, he's not thinking like a rational person would
54:14 <Nothing\> especially if as soon as getting out of the hospital after having strokes and seizures, he's gonna overdose on several meds to get fucked up, which is exactly what caused this in the first place.
54:21 <jaymax> coppice: Canada has universal health care, but it doesn't apply to related aspects like medication. Given the trade geography and our closest neighbour having private industry for everything, costs impede universal health care covering more. But we've also had this obsession with case costing the past several years which is a craptonne of administrative waste.
54:28 <Nothing\> he simply doesn't comprehend that this is a life or death situation
54:53 <Nothing\> whereas last year when he was in the hospital for his drinking, it was a literally sobering slap to the face by reality and got him to stop for a while
55:17 <Nothing\> till his daughter disowned him
56:03 <Nothing\> i tell you one thing though, i went through all of this shit myself, right down to the stroke, so i know exactly how he's feeling and what he's thinking. Or pretty close to it.
56:31 <Nothing\> don't get me wrong, i'm incredibly conflicted about breaching his trust like that, but i'd rather have a living brother who hates me than a dead brother
57:23 <Nothing\> one thing's for sure, I'm gonna have the illegal dispensary where he bought those 250mg THC gummies that seemed to catalyze his seizures
57:39 <Nothing\> (the legal limit for THC edibles here is 10mg)
58:28 <Nothing\> i'm gonna get the number from him and an invite, since it's an "exclusive club" and then pass the info along to the police and tell them exactly what they're doing there
59:15 <Nothing\> cuz i know given the tax revenue it's losing the government, and the fact that they're selling illegal products, AND the fact that the cops just raided another such dispensary and found shit like coke and fentanyl there. I think they'd take it pretty seriously.
59:38 <Nothing\> especially if I tell them what happened to my brother as aresult of taking their illegal THC gummies with god knows what in them
00:16 <Nothing\> sorry to text wall, but i've got a lot i need to vent i guess
00:20 <Nothing\> it's been a rough week
01:15 * Ampera hugs Nothing\ and offers some beef pie with rice
02:20 * jaymax offers ketchup with that beef pie bcos Canada
02:39 <K> is the meat that bad?
03:08 <jaymax> Not at all, it ends up being a Canadian joke.
03:25 <jaymax> Usually paired with Kraft Dinner, but it can be anything.
04:30 <jaymax> Canada is the land of Ketchup Doritos, after all.
04:42 <Nothing\> mmm beef pie
04:46 * Nothing\ hugs Ampera 
04:57 <Ampera> Nothing\, do you still play guitar?
05:03 <Nothing\> jaymax, ketchup chips
05:07 <Nothing\> Ampera, nah not in many years
05:15 <Nothing\> sold it for drugs back in the day :/
05:19 <Nothing\> still got my keyboard, though
05:27 <Nothing\> 61 keys, so i've got plenty of octaves to play with
05:34 <Nothing\> still not a full size though
05:39 <Ampera> Ah, well just wanted to mention I got new strings for my bass
05:49 <Nothing\> i'd love to get a full sized keyboard with velocity detection
06:02 <Nothing\> Ampera, nice. I take it restringing shouldn't be a problem
06:03 <kiska> Whoops I unplugged the wrong power supply :D
06:05 <Ampera> They're halfround strings, so they're kinda like flatround, but instead of flat wire, it's round wire, and then polished down to be flat
06:11 <Ampera> already did it
06:16 <Nothing\> oh that's weird
06:32 <Ampera> the idea being they have the sound of roundwounds, but the feel of flatwounds
06:35 <Nothing\> i wonder if the flat bit's supposed to make it seat more flush on the frets
06:39 <kiska> Enjoy my router booting
06:41 <kiska> https://server8.kiska.pw/uploads/c0a4e626aa920eb7/image.png
06:42 <Nothing\> to mitigate fret buzz
06:48 * jaymax hands Nothing\ the bag of Ketchup chips.
06:49 <Nothing\> which is bloody annoying
06:50 <Ampera> They do sound like normal d'addario roundwounds, which is alright, but I've never been a fan of d'addario strings
06:59 <Nothing\> jaymax, and don't forget bagged milk
07:03 <Ampera> they're alright, but they just sound kinda cheap
07:15 <Ampera> I was getting sick of the soft mellow sound of the flatwounds I had on there though
07:18 <jaymax> Nothing\ you know it.
07:19 <Nothing\> at least they're not nylon
07:21 <Ampera> these definitely have more bass twang to them
07:27 <Nothing\> nylon strings always felt cheap as fuck to me
07:32 <Nothing\> but they give a warmer sound
07:35 <Ampera> I'm not even sure they make nylon bass strings
07:41 <Nothing\> much as i'd hate to use "warm" to describe sound
07:46 <Nothing\> i feel like one of those audiophiles
07:54 <Nothing\> "dude, tubes are better cuz they warm up the sound"
08:03 <kiska> Ampera: You are right that only 1 PSU is active, and that is cause my unit/apartment only has 2x 240V 10A circuits
08:18 <Nothing\> i don't see what's with all of this tubes vs transistors talk anyways
08:35 <Ampera> kiska, my server is on two 240V 15A circuits that are fed off a main 240V 50A circuit
08:42 <Ampera> the house has 240V 200A service
08:45 <kiska> Ampera: But enjoy the blade chassis booting the 4 blades it has and the fan on 80% speed https://server8.kiska.pw/uploads/9fa5be0b2d9eab88/image.png
08:47 <Nothing\> i say you do a blind test, have someone play a song on a tube amp, then on a transistor amp, and whatever one you like better is obviously the superior one
08:59 <Ampera> haha, nice
09:02 <Nothing\> and i'm guessing the sound quality is going to be very subjective
09:05 <kiska> https://server8.kiska.pw/uploads/e47334b9511946d3/image.png My ears :D
09:13 <Kuschelpony> Nothing: its called euphonic distortion
09:17 <Nothing\> i mean, what sounds nice to one person sounds like garbage to another
09:21 <Nothing\> just look at indian music
09:36 <Nothing\> Kuschelpony, good to know. I'll keep that term in the back of my head to look up later
09:47 <Nothing\> actually tbh i like indian music
10:10 <Nothing\> it's relaxing to smoke a bit and listen to some ravi shankar
10:45 <Kuschelpony> im currently rocking to "Holiday"
11:00 <Nothing\> i don't usually listen to music anymore
11:17 <Nothing\> i have this problem where when i hear music, it gets stuck in my head non-stop for days or weeks on end
11:20 <Nothing\> sometimes months even
11:31 <Nothing\> and if you've ever seen bananaphone, that's about what it feels like
12:18 <Nothing\> like when you're having an anxiety attack and your mind is constantly repeating 2 seconds of a k-pop song you accidentally heard over and over and over again. It REALLY fucks with your head
12:27 <Nothing\> i mean, talk about inappropriate music
13:21 <coppice> You mean like country music from a guy called Urban?
14:18 <Nothing\> more like those memes where it's like "so and so happens while i play inappropriate music"
16:17 <kiska> Ampera: I guess the thing consumes about 1kw for full load... :D
16:46 <Ampera> I mean it's not out of reason compared to my server
16:59 <Ampera> mine are old Westmere-EX xeons and I have four of them
17:09 <kiska> I have 4x BL470c G7's :D
17:14 <kiska> So Westmere
17:21 <Ampera> EX or EP
17:32 <Ampera> probably EP
17:34 <kiska> EP
17:38 <Ampera> yeah that's why
17:55 <kiska> Currently 554W DC
18:06 <kiska> Or 651W AC :D
20:20 <kiska> And thats pretty much idle
24:21 <kiska> Ampera: Anyway here is the summary of what its doing https://server8.kiska.pw/uploads/ff32cbd92dd21019/image.png
26:25 <Ampera> neat
29:01 <jaymax> Someone paying for iLo?
32:20 <kiska> Nope haven't paid for iLO :D
32:21 <kiska> yet...
32:48 <jaymax> Works for me! :D
33:50 <kiska> So the enclosure power stuff is standard on HPE blade enclosures
34:03 <kiska> Or I should say the Onboard Administrator
35:17 <kiska> Either that or whoever old me the enclosure had it installed already
39:28 <Nothing\> this seems like an interesting read
39:31 <Nothing\> https://digital.library.lse.ac.uk/objects/lse:peb937pev
39:39 <Nothing\> street life in victorian london
40:24 <Nothing\> everything from chimney sweeps, to omnibus drivers, to beggars and urchins, and everything in between
41:42 Quit: EEVBot ([email protected]) Ping timeout: 121 seconds
45:13 <Nothing\> if you had a countdown timer that started at 30 seconds and counted down until the time remaining was the square root of 30 seconds, then add 20*log(X) where X is the amount of time remaining
45:21 <Nothing\> and then repeated this process
45:29 <Nothing\> what would the timer read after 30 iterations
45:50 <kiska> jaymax Ampera: I don't understand why iLO have licensing things :D
46:10 <Ampera> I was lucky enough that my server came with fully licensed iLO
46:17 <Ampera> I don't really use it much
46:28 <Ampera> it's useful once in a blue moon, and especially when I was setting everything up
47:08 <kiska> Whatever enterprise that had mine also had fully licensed iLO as well
47:36 <jaymax> My G5 (and maybe the G7) was, but I only took advantage of the 6 month trial for the G7.
47:47 <jaymax> My G5 (and maybe the G6) was...
48:35 <kiska> Cause all mine have the same license number and I don't remember Googling iLO keys :D
48:43 <Nothing\> man i just watched the leftorium episode of the simpsons and it made me sad
48:53 <Nothing\> at the end where they're all singing together and happy
49:03 <Nothing\> you'll never see an ending like that in modern simpsons
49:14 <Nothing\> you see shit like homer shooting marge in the neck with a poison dart
49:32 <jaymax> And then Kim Kardashian walking around the corner.
49:34 <Nothing\> and other things i don't know cuz the modern episodes aren't good enough to be that memorable
49:41 <Nothing\> yeah that too
49:56 <Nothing\> celebrity guests on the simpsons used to just play other characters
50:05 <Nothing\> now they just play themselves for the cop out
50:14 <jaymax> IMO Simsons only had eight seasons. Change my mind.
50:23 <Nothing\> and it always feels so surreal but in a bad way when i see a real life celebrity on the simpsons
50:37 <Nothing\> it's like, the simpsons exists in a semi-different universe from ours
50:56 <Nothing\> -people like kid rock and tony hawk should NOT exist in this world
51:03 <jaymax> That was the point, in a way.
51:36 <jaymax> But it's also a lot like the "Bart Dies" creepypasta when it comes to celebs, as well.
54:55 <jaymax> Finding them on the headstones in the graveyard - the show where celebs end their career.
56:42 <Ysjoelfir> Halcyon, its 18:56 here right now
56:54 <Ysjoelfir> why did you ask the bot, could have asked me instead :D
57:55 <Ampera> Ysjoelfir, was your log scrolled up?
58:14 <jaymax> +EEVbot where you at?
58:25 <kiska> Dead?
58:29 <Ysjoelfir> no, i just joined and the backlog told me that I was mentioned a few times :D
58:30 <jaymax> That.
59:11 <jaymax> I was curious when it wasn't parsing several URLs earlier.
59:24 <Ampera> electrohead seems to be having problems keeping it up for some reason
59:37 <Ampera> I can always bring back mine >:D
59:40 <jaymax> Auth timeouts IIRC
00:13 <Ampera> If the auth fails it should just have the wrong nick
01:11 <jaymax> Does it show up on occasion with the wrong nick?
01:38 <kiska> Ampera: lol, cause I have a dynamic power cap on the enclosure as a whole, the E5620 running in one of the systems is capped to 1.7GHz :D
01:43 <jaymax> That's something I've never noticed.
02:02 <Ampera> kiska, I'm considering do that if it becomes a serious burden on the power
02:09 <Ampera> jaymax, no, so I'm sure he's responding to auth messages
02:39 <jaymax> *shrug*
04:27 <kiska> Ampera: Can you tell when I removed the power cap :p https://server8.kiska.pw/uploads/eac95c6f95020daf/image.png
31:26 Join: Guest69 ([email protected]) to #EEVblog
31:41 Join: EEVBot ([email protected]) to #EEVblog
31:42 Mode: (by ChanOP) +v EEVBot
38:02 Quit: Guest69 ([email protected]) Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…
41:08 Join: Guest69 ([email protected]) to #EEVblog
47:58 Quit: Guest69 ([email protected]) Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…
48:28 <hsn> Is Ysjoelfir alive?
48:45 <rust_collector> yep
49:00 <hsn> my greetings to him
49:08 <rust_collector> at least he was, about 20 minutes ago
49:36 <hsn> How is home alone went
49:39 <hsn> Still?
49:53 <rust_collector> no. they came back yesterday
50:07 <hsn> Fortunately/ unfortunately?
50:09 <rust_collector> but I am most of my time at work, so that is ok
50:21 <hsn> Werkking
50:37 <rust_collector> well, getting paid for spending time
50:51 <rust_collector> I had a nice 2 hour nap today
51:35 <rust_collector> pretty slow day. like the rest of the week has been. and last week
51:54 <hsn> I noticed .. im being pulled for lots of blah blah meetings
52:16 <rust_collector> did you get any food or snacks?
52:28 <hsn> Nah just lots of talkings
52:50 <rust_collector> meh. just ignore those meetings. if they do not serve something, it is not important
02:53 <Ysjoelfir> hsn
02:59 <Ysjoelfir> I am dead
03:08 <Ysjoelfir> how about you?
03:40 <rust_collector> hey, that is only inside, and on the surface... you have a layer of life just under your skin
03:52 <Ysjoelfir> thats true
04:04 <hsn> Yes love
04:22 <rust_collector> love...fat... it is life, no matter what you call it
04:26 <Kuschelpony> yso, best wishes
04:34 <Kuschelpony> Ysjoelfir, , best wishes
04:43 <hsn> If u dead .. then im alive but with no soul
04:59 <Ampera> you are all already dead.
05:09 <Ysjoelfir> Hey Kuschelpony :)
05:21 <Kuschelpony> yes
05:24 <hsn> No
05:29 <rust_collector> maybe?
05:33 <hsn> How u doin
05:40 <hsn> Armpera
06:02 <hsn> How is ur watch project going
06:14 <hsn> Smart watch programming
06:46 <Ampera> since when did I have a project of smart watch programming
07:09 <rust_collector> wednesday 4th of april, around noon
07:28 <hsn> Good answer
07:29 <Ampera> can't be, I was elsewhere on that day
07:50 <hsn> U had an intentions to program a smart watch
08:04 <hsn> I dont remember the model
08:04 <Ampera> I've had a lot of intentions in my life.
08:07 <rust_collector> well, then maybe that is why you did not get the message
08:16 <hsn> Or what u want but i know there was that
08:16 <Ampera> I did have a PineTime, but it was more to mess around with
08:22 <Ampera> I never really intended to do anything on it
08:26 <hsn> Primetime yes
08:40 <hsn> Why
08:56 <Ampera> why what
09:18 <hsn> Rnt u a man with his words?
09:33 <rust_collector> not for long...
09:47 <hsn> What r u then
09:55 <Ampera> I am dead.
09:56 <Ampera> You are dead.
09:59 <Ampera> We are all dead.
10:04 <Ysjoelfir> I am bread.
10:09 <Ampera> It won't happen, because it has already happened
10:14 * Ampera gets Ysjoelfir fully baked
10:19 <rust_collector> all my friends are dead all my ...lalalala
10:25 <hsn> Dead can mean breast or tits in some arabic slang
10:40 <Ampera> I am also breast or tits
10:45 <Ampera> thanks
11:16 <hsn> Nice
11:26 <hsn> Do u have milch?
11:43 <Ampera> yes, shelf stable, inside boxes in a bag
11:53 <hsn> Not inside tits?
12:36 <hsn> Ok u win u r unangryable .. ;p
12:54 <Ampera> You simply do not know how.
13:06 * Ysjoelfir throws T3sl4 at Ampera
13:08 <hsn> U think?
13:10 <Ysjoelfir> watch and learn hsn
13:14 <Ampera> ^
13:17 <hsn> Im watching
13:18 <rust_collector> haha
13:36 <T3sl4> ew, i'm not touching that!
13:43 <hsn> T3sl4: zap him please
13:55 <Ampera> what use would that do, I'm already gay
13:56 <hsn> Air discharge 15kV
14:22 <T3sl4> https://i.imgur.com/Swu6VcQ.gif
14:34 <Ampera> ok now I am mad
15:00 <hsn> Eat noodles
15:18 <rust_collector> eat my shorts
15:19 <hsn> Ah im hinnngry
15:55 <rust_collector> you... no, forget it
17:27 * T3sl4 zaps Ysjoelfir with a teasla coil
17:51 <Ysjoelfir> eeeek!
21:15 <DHess_US> https://i.imgur.com/RrmW0Rn.jpeg
23:50 <coppice> Now that nurse/doctor had really figured out how to motivate people
25:11 <steve30> There was actually someone in the news the other week who has had 4 covid vaccines
26:10 <coppice> steve30: there is probably some group of people who are having a shot of each type of vaccine, to maximise their chances
27:28 <steve30> I think that's what they were trying to do
47:34 Join: wuzamarine ([email protected]) to #EEVblog
51:22 <wuzamarine> I hear this is the place to go if you want to find out the best oscilloscope to buy. I have about $450 ready to burn a hole in my pocket for the best nerd gear my money can buy. Whats a good unit I can hack the software to get the best 2 channel / 200mhz unit available?
54:30 <DHess_US> More like maximizing their chances of antibody-dependent enhancement.
54:37 <DHess_US> https://www.nature.com/articles/s41564-020-00789-5
54:37 <EEVBot> [Title] - 303 See Other
55:11 <DHess_US> wuzamarine, I don't know what the favored unit is now. Siglent?
55:21 <DHess_US> Do a search in the forums.
57:47 <wuzamarine> I was looking at the Siglent hard and was ready to buy before I read the forums (older) and saw you could have higher end units. But I was unsure of the feature release the hack would open.
58:25 <wuzamarine> *hack the higher end units.
59:39 <DHess_US> The recommendation used to be the Rigol DS1050Z or whatever.
59:54 <wuzamarine> gw-instek was the hackable unit
00:08 <wuzamarine> Rigol is my top pick by default
00:16 <DHess_US> The forum will have the most up to date information.
00:20 <wuzamarine> I want something well published
00:25 <DHess_US> Personally I consider Rigol products to be junk.
00:49 <DHess_US> I don't care how upgradable the Rigol is if it is a poor design.
01:06 <DHess_US> But you can find my views on the forum as well.
01:21 <wuzamarine> Whom has the best design in my price range?
01:32 <DHess_US> It used to be Rigol.
01:36 <DHess_US> I don't know now.
01:57 <DHess_US> https://preview.redd.it/bhakl69wm9b51.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=942cbd223271277252160e41dc7fbbc469f12bd1
02:29 <wuzamarine> I like small athletic booty girls.
02:40 <DHess_US> If I had an unlimited budget, I would evaluate R&S.
03:16 <wuzamarine> R&S? My budget is far from unlimited
03:41 <DHess_US> The scope I use most is the middle one shown here, https://ibb.co/x8mRrtL
03:42 <EEVBot> [Title] - 4 — ImgBB
05:13 <wuzamarine> you're old school like me. I want the most solid and versatile for my needs. I'm just barely above a n00b and not 100% sure on what my needs are, yet.
05:50 Quit: Kuschelpony ([email protected]) Connection closed
10:27 <coppice> DHess_US: Those things were quite nice when they were working
11:28 <DHess_US> coppice, what? The 2230 and 2232?
11:31 <DHess_US> Mine work.
11:45 <DHess_US> Was using my 2232 yesterday.
12:07 <coppice> they were not the most reliable things
13:02 <coppice> but they were pretty nice to use when they were working OK
13:57 <wuzamarine> This is my #1 pick https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B091V3V5WN/ref=ox_sc_saved_title_1?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&psc=1 Can I go wrong?
13:58 <EEVBot> [Title] - Sorry! Something went wrong!
17:20 <wuzamarine> <EEVBot> you're not a very smart bot.
18:23 <wuzamarine> I hate arguing with uneducated bots.
24:55 <DHess_US> coppice, the 2230 and 2232 came later in the 2235 series so were more reliable, and the changes were continued in the various replacements.
28:13 <coppice> I never used the 2235. There was a 4 channel one that looked a lot like the 2232 that we used a few of. They had a habit of being more like a 2 channel scope because some of the channels had problems
35:47 <DHess_US> I think that is the 2216 which is a completely different and later series.
37:10 <DHess_US> That series is the 2212, 2214, and 2216, and the 2216 was only made for one year.
37:19 <DHess_US> They aren't very common.
38:03 <DHess_US> I think maybe they were intended for the biology and mechanical applications, like the old 5000 series mainframes.
39:36 <coppice> Those are lower bandwidth. This was a 100MHz scope
42:01 <DHess_US> Oh, the 22xx series 2+2 channel ones?
42:19 <DHess_US> The 2245, 2246, and 2247 had excellent reliability.
42:39 <DHess_US> But they aren't really 4 channel oscilloscopes. They are 2+2
43:11 <DHess_US> The 2216 was the only true 4 channel oscilloscope in the entire 22xx and 24xx series.
44:29 <coppice> The 2245 is not digital. The one I am thinking of used the same buffer technology as the 2232 to achieve good digital performance
50:53 <DHess_US> The 2232 just has a digitizer and SRAM
50:58 <DHess_US> Like a modern DSO
51:26 <DHess_US> The 2440 series uses CCDs, but is only 2 channels.
11:44 Join: Guest69 ([email protected]) to #EEVblog
30:41 <Nothing\> welp, i just saw my brother
30:54 <Nothing\> he was released from the hospital and he actually seems a lot better than i imagined
31:16 <Nothing\> hasn't had a seizure since tuesday, so I suspect it was from those "THC" gummies he ate from the black market place
31:47 <Nothing\> i got the contact info from him for it, so i'm gonna get the address and report them to police, god forbid another person falls victim to this
32:28 <Nothing\> cuz i've been racking my brain, and considering he took those 250mg gummies on monday, then had his seizures hours later it seems like that's the most likely culprit
32:51 <Nothing\> and even if it's not cut with anything, I know of some people who have had seizures just from using THc
32:54 <Nothing\> THC
33:09 <Nothing\> and what he had would have been a pretty huge dose for him
33:24 <Nothing\> on top of everything else he took
33:59 <Nothing\> i should drive by there later and get the address. My Mum knows where it is
34:13 <Nothing\> and i've got a copy of the the invitation card with the phone number
34:22 <Nothing\> so that should be all the cops need to bust them
41:14 <Nothing\> awesome, I've got copies now of my grandparents birth and marriage certificates from Germany
41:40 <Nothing\> it's hard to read with the fancy german cursive, but i can get a pretty good idea of what it's on about
42:01 <Nothing\> i never realized i had so many family members named martin, maria or anna
45:41 <DHess_US> I am questioning my sanity because I recognized him, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNLgBh-S5Ik
45:42 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: When you think you're a HERO but you're really a.....
48:11 * Ampera hugs Nothing\ 
48:14 <Ampera> how are you fren
50:38 * electrohead bops in, looks around, and runs away fast
03:43 Quit: Guest69 ([email protected]) Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…
04:11 Join: Guest69 ([email protected]) to #EEVblog
04:53 Join: arch ([email protected]) to #EEVblog
09:50 Quit: Guest69 ([email protected]) Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…
14:15 <arch> T3sl4, so that voltage mode TS19375, it's super ugly af waveforms. seems to be unstable af with ceramic cap. this is what the current sense waveform looks like with a 25V 22uF ceramic cap. output voltage is 10.1V, from 5V input. https://i.imgur.com/QweBwqR.png
14:51 <arch> switching freq of 500khz. output current is about 0.8A, so it operates in CCM
15:43 Quit: Tezzers ([email protected]) Ping timeout: 121 seconds
16:28 <arch> why the fuck does the datasheet want a 470uF cap, at such a high freq, and low enough current (1A at 12V)
16:32 <T3sl4> arch: https://frinkiac.com/meme/S07E05/456505.jpg?b64lines=SSBXQVJORUQgWUUhCkRJRE4nVCBJIFdBUk4gWWU_
16:40 <arch> lol
17:05 <T3sl4> ooh, i could make this a topical shitpost
17:11 <T3sl4> but that would require effort
19:31 <arch> im gonna replace the ceramic cap with a 33uF tantalum cap, maybe it'll be more stable
20:01 <T3sl4> or stuff a resistor under its ass, same thing
20:13 <T3sl4> maybe you dont have a lot of small values, idk
20:41 <arch> see the datasheet wants a 470uF output cap, for 12V 1A output, which is insane for a 500khz converter
21:16 <arch> and it also wants a 470uF input cap too lol. maybe they just pulled the values outa their butts
22:52 <arch> wot n tarnation...im seeing 1.3V pp ripple on the output cap
23:00 <arch> godawful, wtf. even mc34063 is better
24:57 <arch> went to 200mV pp with a 100uF electrolytic in parallel with that 22uF ceramic
25:21 <arch> sooo it likely is that instability issue with ceramic cap. i need to remove it to find out
26:20 <Nothing\> hey T3sl4 and arch
26:24 <Nothing\> how you guys doing?
26:31 <arch> surviving
26:33 * T3sl4 ruffles Nothing\'s hair
27:00 * Nothing\ zaps T3sl4  with the static generated
27:00 <T3sl4> arch: well yeah, what do you expect from control oscillation
27:04 <T3sl4> :)
27:05 <Nothing\> ZZZZZZZZZZZZZAP
27:09 <Nothing\> ZZZZZZZZZZZZZAP
27:18 <Nothing\> ZZZZZZZZZZZZAP
27:23 <T3sl4> https://i.imgur.com/Swu6VcQ.gif
27:27 <arch> are you high again Nothing\
27:38 <T3sl4> i posted that earlier today, you're in luck :P
27:55 <Nothing\> arch: rule of thumb, if i seem happy, talkative and upboat
27:57 <Nothing\> beat
28:08 <Nothing\> i'm probably high
28:10 <T3sl4> upboat is better than up shit creek without a paddle
28:27 <T3sl4> and you know what that means
28:28 <T3sl4> https://i.imgur.com/4GpyxTI.jpg
28:51 <Nothing\> seriously, sober i'm fucking hateful, bitter, angry and depressed as all get out
29:18 <Nothing\> so i saw my brother day, they let him out
29:25 <Nothing\> he seems to be doing a lot better
29:32 <Nothing\> no more seizures since tuesday
30:08 <T3sl4> yay
30:23 <Nothing\> butyup, it is indeed good news
32:36 <Nothing\> guess i'll play spore
32:48 <Nothing\> even though i hate getting through everything up to the space stage
33:14 <T3sl4> just make a race of space dicks
34:09 <Nothing\> lol good idea
34:25 <Nothing\> or recursive space dicks
34:36 <Nothing\> with a dick on a dick
35:04 <T3sl4> docking
35:18 <Nothing\> or power docking
35:22 <T3sl4> yo, that motherfucker had, like, 30 goddamn dicks.
35:30 <Nothing\> where instead of foreskin you put your head into the urethra of another man
35:46 <T3sl4> have seen a woman that can do that
35:47 <Nothing\> T3sl4, lol it reminds me of a quote from hoops
35:53 <Nothing\> T3sl4, me too
36:13 <Nothing\> the guy screwed her in the urethra and she's like "oooh yeah baby. fuck my peehole"
36:24 <Nothing\> then he came in her and she peed out cum
36:33 <Nothing\> which i'm sure is' a terrific way to get a UTI
37:25 <Nothing\> the bladder's meant to be a sterile envionment
38:09 <Nothing\> i remember when ih
38:32 <T3sl4> ...yeah
38:43 <Nothing\> sorry, nodded off
38:52 <Nothing\> but i got a catheter once and got an infection from it
40:05 <Nothing\> and aside from pissing blood, the pain was exactly like it was portrayed in the green mile
41:40 <Nothing\> sweating buckets, screaming/moaning in pain, one of the most painful things i've experienced
46:41 Join: Guest69 ([email protected]) to #EEVblog
47:10 * steve30 zaps T3sl4 
48:26 <T3sl4> oh no, he's trying to cat me
48:33 <steve30> meow :)
07:47 Quit: Guest69 ([email protected]) Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…
20:05 <MrMobodies> Hello
20:21 <Nothing\> lemme ask you guys something
20:38 <Nothing\> there was a spider living under this ledge on my patio i wanted to get rid of
21:04 <Nothing\> but just couldn't get into such a narrow nook and have no bug spray. Not that it could get in there anyways.
21:10 <MrMobodies> I wouldn't kill them myself I'd trap them in a container and set it free somewhere else
21:27 <Nothing\> So what I did was I turned a bottle of computer duster upside down and sprayed the liquid into his hidey holey
21:29 <MrMobodies> they panic at first but crawl out slowly
21:36 <Nothing\> yall think that'll be cold enough to kill him?
21:50 <MrMobodies> that's an idea to force them out with air but not upside down
21:52 <Nothing\> MrMobodies, i would too if that was possible
21:54 <MrMobodies> to freeze it
22:04 <MrMobodies> I have a datavac blower
22:16 <MrMobodies> and use it to blow out wasp and bees to the door
22:25 <Nothing\> yeah i mean i wanted to force it out but it didn't come out so i just kept pumping it in
22:30 <Nothing\> heh
22:33 <MrMobodies> there is a bush nearby and sometimes they get in accidentallyt
22:41 <Nothing\> well the thing about duster is it's not just regular air
23:18 <Nothing\> it's one o a combination of chemicals like butane, isobutane, fluorocarbons
23:30 <MrMobodies> I if it blew away it might be okay
23:44 <Nothing\> but usually the ones i've seen are tetrofluorethylene
23:47 <MrMobodies> but freezing them away might not have a good impact on them
24:01 <Nothing\> 1,1,1,2-tetrafluoroethylene
24:15 <Nothing\> which i'm not sure what the boiling point of that is... lemme seee
24:32 <Nothing\> or tetrafluoroethane
24:57 <MrMobodies> I don't know what effect that will have
25:06 <Nothing\> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1,1,1,2-Tetrafluoroethane
25:07 <EEVBot> [Title] - 1,1,1,2-Tetrafluoroethane - Wikipedia
25:17 <Nothing\> this is normally what they use
25:31 <Nothing\> and i can't speak for spiders, but i know in mammals at least, it's an intoxicant
25:55 <Nothing\> and the boiling point's 26.3c
25:59 <Nothing\> er
26:06 <MrMobodies> Safe for medical use
26:10 <Nothing\> -26.3
26:17 <Nothing\> no there are no medical uses
26:26 <Nothing\> it's used for computer duster
26:28 <MrMobodies> oh the wikipedia thing
26:29 <MrMobodies> For its medical uses, 1,1,1,2-tetrafluoroethane has the generic name norflurane. It is used as propellant for some metered dose inhalers.[27] It is considered safe for this use.[28][29][30] In combination with pentafluoropropane, it is used as a topical vapocoolant spray for numbing boils before curettage.[31][32] It has also been studied as a potential inhalational anesthetic,[33] but it is
26:29 <MrMobodies> nonanaesthetic at doses used in inhalers.[28]
26:39 <Nothing\> ah okay
26:47 <Nothing\> that makes sense i guess
26:54 <MrMobodies> if it didn't freeze the spider maybe it'd be fine
26:56 <Nothing\> cuz i always get a headrush when i use my puffer
27:35 <Nothing\> funny thing, i've seen videos of people huffing computer duster and it's denser than air so it will give you a deep voice
27:46 <Nothing\> but it's really not something you want to be putting in your body
28:06 <Nothing\> the cold alone could cause a laryngospasm that would be fatal in minutes
28:09 <MrMobodies> maybe Elizabeth Holmes used it
28:24 <MrMobodies> for her voice
28:30 <MrMobodies> that's a joke
28:44 <Nothing\> oh lol i dunno who elibathem holmes is
28:50 <MrMobodies> Therano's
29:06 <Nothing\> never heard of it
29:06 <MrMobodies> she had a light voice and used a dark voice to sound serious and attract investors
29:19 * Nothing\ shrugs
29:28 <Nothing\> i'm not into pop culture or media
29:30 <MrMobodies> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theranos
29:37 <MrMobodies> no it's no pop it is medical
29:51 <Nothing\> oh yeah i was gonna say
29:51 <MrMobodies> she was promising this blood testing thing that use a tiny amount of blood
29:54 <Nothing\> huh
29:56 <MrMobodies> but it was fake it never made it
30:07 <Nothing\> that's a shame
30:10 <MrMobodies> they tried but it wasn't pratical
30:20 <Nothing\> i should see what research my cousin's doing
30:24 <MrMobodies> and they ended up committing fraud
30:25 <Nothing\> she's a biotech PhD
30:37 <MrMobodies> maybe she would know about Theranos
30:44 <MrMobodies> it made the news last year
30:48 <Nothing\> i bet whatever she's working on would be interesting
30:53 <Nothing\> and probably over my head
30:54 <MrMobodies> Thunderf00t made a video on it
31:09 <MrMobodies> well always nice to learn and observe new things
31:10 <Nothing\> i'm not a huge fan of his videos
31:18 <MrMobodies> don't understand well you might put the pieces together later
31:20 <Nothing\> i won't lie, they have good points
31:29 <MrMobodies> oh I mean "over your head" thing
31:55 <MrMobodies> I have found the last major annoyance on Firefox 68 mobile android
32:03 <MrMobodies> in about:config
32:08 <MrMobodies> can't remember the name
32:16 <MrMobodies> when I search and hit enter it auto zooms
32:26 <MrMobodies> it didn't do it with select the field/search form
32:30 <Nothing\> but when you go over the points over and over and over again for 20-30 minutes and attacking the people almost on a juvenile "i'm right you're wrong" kind of manner
32:36 <MrMobodies> and got the Adblock working properly
32:38 <Nothing\> i just couldn't respect thunderf00t
32:40 <MrMobodies> oh
32:48 <MrMobodies> well nevermind Thunderf00t
32:58 <MrMobodies> I noticed that though
33:08 <MrMobodies> he did seem to do it repetitively
33:11 <Nothing\> some of his videos seem to be made for the sake of attacking people rather than actually educating
33:19 <Nothing\> but he did have some cool videos
33:28 <Nothing\> like putting his phone in the neutron beam at work
33:45 <MrMobodies> I feel educated out of some of them but not without attacking the person in question
34:11 <MrMobodies> I don't like his feminist videos
34:19 <MrMobodies> I find them boring but that was some years ago
34:33 <MrMobodies> the ones he attacks the feminists me, some points but goes over and over
34:42 <MrMobodies> anyway
34:54 <MrMobodies> oh and recently
34:57 <Nothing\> yeah i'm gonna go play spore
35:05 <Nothing\> i've had a craving all day
35:06 <MrMobodies> he had these UFO debunking videos which I didn't see, no interest
35:15 <MrMobodies> https://imgur.com/a/lTpExZ5
35:16 <EEVBot> [Title] - Adblock blocklist/youtube page load how I want it - Album on Imgur
35:27 <MrMobodies> got it working and loading the page exactly the way I want
35:30 <Nothing\> yeah i saw them, it was the same shit everyone else debunging them said
35:41 <MrMobodies> managed to get the network blocklist on there
36:01 <MrMobodies> no suggestions, reptitive loading spinners, dimming gradients
36:07 <MrMobodies> isn't that nice?
36:20 <MrMobodies> on the youtube player no gradient over the bottom controls
37:02 <MrMobodies> I wouldn't mind if the outline changed from white to dark on a white background as it wouldn't affect the other areas around it
37:16 <MrMobodies> no loading placeholder skeletons
37:26 <MrMobodies> that seems to slow it right down to it's knees
37:36 <MrMobodies> they were animated things
37:39 <Halcyon> Morning all
37:51 <steve30> hi Halcyon
37:57 <MrMobodies> so now I can use the phone for youtube when I am out
37:59 <MrMobodies> hello
38:09 <MrMobodies> without getting annoyed and upset
38:54 <MrMobodies> also I adjust the dp thing to 1200
39:06 <MrMobodies> as I can see a large area and zoom in quickly
39:10 Quit: Nothing\ (~Shmendrick@cpe9050ca20a183-cm9050ca20a180.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) Quit: Leaving
39:17 <steve30> Halcyon, the bus to Manchester drops me off right in the gay village :p
39:23 <MrMobodies> what resolution do you have your phones at?
39:32 <MrMobodies> gay village?
40:13 <steve30> https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/53.47715/-2.23732
40:14 <EEVBot> [Title] - OpenStreetMap
41:08 <MrMobodies> interesting
41:47 <Halcyon> Gay village?
42:19 <steve30> pondering a visit MrMobodies? :p
42:34 <MrMobodies> https://www.google.com/search?q=gay+village
42:37 <EEVBot> [Title] - gay village - Google Search
42:53 <MrMobodies> maybe in future
43:01 <MrMobodies> joke: Ampera might want to join
43:08 <+electrohead> lol
43:17 * electrohead rubs on Halcyon
43:17 <MrMobodies> I think he said he like's to talk gay sometimes
44:27 <MrMobodies> if the opposite of gay is lesbian then there must be some village in that name
44:53 <MrMobodies> oh
44:54 <MrMobodies> https://www.google.com/search?q=lesbian+village
44:55 <EEVBot> [Title] - lesbian village - Google Search
44:57 <MrMobodies> none for that
45:16 <Halcyon> Heyyyy electrohead
45:28 <MrMobodies> I know men and women can legally mary one another from the same gender now
45:45 <MrMobodies> but I wouldn't want ot get married
46:00 <MrMobodies> not if someone can claim half of everything they don't own
46:13 <MrMobodies> if they decide to divorce
46:33 <MrMobodies> I am good with relationships anyway
46:40 <MrMobodies> everyone finds me odd and strange
46:44 <MrMobodies> and so on
47:05 <Halcyon> I don't want to get married, it's just too expensive
47:09 <MrMobodies> but in this village they seem very accommodating
47:25 <Halcyon> But here, if you're in a relationship for so many months/years, by law, you have the same rights as if you were married.
47:43 <T3sl4> there is a Fuck, Austria however
47:48 <T3sl4> or Hell, Michigan
47:55 <MrMobodies> so you can't just keep someone in your house that has no where to go
48:02 <Halcyon> T3sl4: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lQD-SnN57Y
48:03 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: PASTA SALAD 3 WAYS (Literally The Best Pasta Salads I've Ever Had)
48:11 <MrMobodies> without the risk of loosing half if they decide to migrate to someone else
48:12 <T3sl4> i'll toss your salad
48:12 <Halcyon> Nummy nums
49:07 <MrMobodies> I mean not to kick out
49:39 <MrMobodies> that doesn't sound nice though if your intentions are to look after them until they can stand up on their own two feet
49:51 <MrMobodies> and the law allows them to "bite the hand after"
50:50 <MrMobodies> I have got a problem and I am worried
50:53 <MrMobodies> about it
51:10 <MrMobodies> some months ago I feel my veins move in my foot sometimes
51:12 <Halcyon> What's your problem MrMobodies ?
51:22 <MrMobodies> now it is on the top near my hair
51:23 <Halcyon> "Move" ?
51:26 <MrMobodies> veins moving
51:34 <MrMobodies> well I feel like they are moving
51:38 <MrMobodies> or twitching
51:40 <Halcyon> Like sliding around?
51:44 <MrMobodies> yes
51:50 <MrMobodies> a bit like the eye lids sometimes
51:50 <Halcyon> Yeh, they'll do that
51:58 <MrMobodies> it use do it in my feet
52:13 <MrMobodies> if I hold mh hand on my head it doesn't do it
52:21 <MrMobodies> around the area
52:24 <Halcyon> Do you drink coffee?
52:29 <MrMobodies> you don't think I am goign to have a stroke do you?
52:37 <MrMobodies> yes I did today
52:43 <MrMobodies> they got the coffee machine working
52:46 <Halcyon> Could be that
52:50 <MrMobodies> aaah
52:51 <Halcyon> It's nothing to worry about
53:03 <MrMobodies> I have a joke
53:20 <MrMobodies> they were advertising Marston's dock ale at the pub
53:24 <Halcyon> I get it sometimes, perfectly normal. Could be caffeine, stress, lack of sleep. Every now and then isn't a problem but if it persists, maybe go see a doctor.
53:30 <Halcyon> Also: https://youtu.be/_YRU0B0iisc?t=20
53:31 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: I've got veins
53:32 <MrMobodies> with 4.6% strong
53:41 <MrMobodies> so I asked "HOW STRONG IS A MARSTONS BAILIFF?"
54:05 <MrMobodies> they are notorious for violence and their strength
55:06 <MrMobodies> sounds sarcastic at the end of the video
55:18 <Halcyon> Was more about the song :P
55:19 <Halcyon> Hehe
55:37 <MrMobodies> some people like large breasts for some strange reason
55:55 <MrMobodies> the only reason you'd do anything with them is when you have an opeation for the artifical things
56:05 <MrMobodies> and she's not doing anything... nothing
56:14 <MrMobodies> so that sounds to me sarcastic from that man
57:00 <MrMobodies> oh and feeding the babies but that seems rare now
57:37 <MrMobodies> oh at the local pub they seem obsessed about that sort of thing but when I talk
57:53 <MrMobodies> they accuse me of being obsessed with my choice os subjects
58:00 <MrMobodies> and that i bore them to death
58:17 <MrMobodies> and there's one of them who says that to mee and spends hours talking about car engines
58:39 <MrMobodies> if he's not talking about that and other silly things
00:03 <MrMobodies> suppose to ha ve thunder pretty soon
00:51 <MrMobodies> gone quiet... sorry if I ruined the conversation or brought it to a halt.
01:04 <MrMobodies> or bored you to death
02:43 Join: Skaface82 ([email protected]) to #EEVblog
02:57 <Halcyon> Sorry not at all, I'm working from home
03:05 <Halcyon> Got distracted
06:21 <MrMobodies> aah
06:45 <MrMobodies> Joke: Some new builds don't have "bypass capacitors" in their attic
06:51 <MrMobodies> they're too small
07:23 <MrMobodies> apart from whatever's left in toilet and cisterns#
07:47 <MrMobodies> I am talking about water tanks
08:03 <MrMobodies> quiet handy for power showers
08:20 <Halcyon> What are you on about? :P
08:30 <MrMobodies> water header tanks
08:35 <MrMobodies> I have two in my attic
08:41 <MrMobodies> one of the central heating
08:49 <MrMobodies> and the other for the hot water cyclinder
08:51 <Halcyon> We don't have water tanks here for new-ish builds either
09:06 <Halcyon> Most are continuous hot water powered by gas
09:17 <MrMobodies> it was a joke on bypass capacitors
09:23 <Halcyon> I see
09:36 <MrMobodies> but then I suppose the cistern will have them
09:58 <MrMobodies> they are building some new houses in my village
10:05 <MrMobodies> someone at the pub went in there to look
10:07 <MrMobodies> and he said
10:14 <MrMobodies> you couldn't swing a rabbit in there
10:26 <MrMobodies> 10 years ago they said you couldn't swing a cat in many of them
10:47 <MrMobodies> obviously they seem to be getting smaller and smaller
11:08 <MrMobodies> £210,000 for a little rabbit hutch
11:36 <MrMobodies> https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/108994619#/?channel=RES_BUY
11:38 <EEVBot> [Title] - 3 bedroom cottage for sale in Fieldside, Whittlesey, Peterborough, PE7
11:47 <MrMobodies> oh they've gone up by £10,000
11:59 <MrMobodies> or maybe i didn't remember correctly
13:15 <MrMobodies> when I first moved here I saw houses and bunglows larger than that for much less.
13:49 <MrMobodies> 47 sqaure meters
13:58 <MrMobodies> upstairs and downstairs
14:09 <MrMobodies> do you think that is a bit small?
15:12 <Halcyon> To me it's small but I can't really judge. My house is 300sq.M
15:30 <MrMobodies> that's like 1/6
15:44 <MrMobodies> my one is 240 square meters or so
16:05 <MrMobodies> well it's 200 but it doesn't include the conservatory
16:41 <MrMobodies> and that was double
16:44 <MrMobodies> in price
17:57 <MrMobodies> so 100 square meter (two of those houses) would cost just as much as the 200 square meter which is like the prices near London
18:09 <MrMobodies> and this ain't the city
18:26 <MrMobodies> prices in london for a tiny property
19:38 <MrMobodies> so there is nothing to worry about the twitching of my veins near my hair
19:59 <MrMobodies> and nothing wrong with me
24:37 <steve30> I just saw this and it looks like a power transistor
24:38 <steve30> https://www.reddit.com/r/manchester/comments/owc04k/the_fort_and_the_tower/
24:40 <EEVBot> [Title] - Reddit: Dive into anything
24:58 <steve30> Although the connectors say it looks like a PS2
29:13 <steve30> *commenters
36:39 Quit: arch ([email protected]) Connection closed
42:55 Join: Nothing\ (~Shmendrick@cpe9050ca20a183-cm9050ca20a180.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) to #EEVblog
43:00 <Nothing\> heyo
43:13 <Nothing\> i'm buying me a display port to hdmi adapter cable
43:26 <Nothing\> get some dual TV monitors going on this bad boy
43:39 <Nothing\> on 60in the other 34in
44:04 <Nothing\> i don't et the point of display ports. It's kind of a new thing to me.
44:46 <Nothing\> what's the advantage if anything and why are 3 of them on my video card and only 1 HDMI port as oppsode to 2 of each
51:58 <Nothing\> and then it hits me, why buy this on amazon when a computer store exists just 1 city block away from me
52:10 <Nothing\> a best buy
52:17 <Nothing\> the best of the buys
55:07 <MrMobodies> 2.75 million https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/72130140#/?channel=RES_BUY
55:10 <EEVBot> [Title] - 4 bedroom apartment for sale in Beetham Tower, 301 Deansgate, Manchester, M3
55:19 <MrMobodies> for an appartment in the building in thatReddit link
55:56 <MrMobodies> oh sorry, that's for 5 apartments and 5 parking spaces
56:11 <MrMobodies> oh 3 apartments silly me
56:25 <MrMobodies> but I wonder why they built it like that
56:32 <MrMobodies> top heavy
57:08 <MrMobodies> wow it's a leasehold I wonder who'd go for that
57:27 <MrMobodies> looks very expensive for a leashold
59:03 <MrMobodies> oh I see my mistake, on the map the three apartments are one
59:09 <MrMobodies> joined by stairs
00:42 <MrMobodies> nice when you have a computer store nearby
00:47 <MrMobodies> for that sort of thing
01:26 <MrMobodies> joke: better than "buy it now" on ebay
01:37 <MrMobodies> when you could just go out and get right now
41:34 Quit: flyback ([email protected]) Connection closed
42:13 Join: flyback ([email protected]) to #EEVblog
08:58 Join: Tezzers ([email protected]) to #EEVblog
26:35 <Nothing\> naj
26:39 <Nothing\> bah
30:43 <EEVBot> [Twitter] - eevblog - The original photo, for memes, because, the internet. https://t.co/vKEKahWQLH
32:28 <EEVBot> [Twitter] - eevblog - RT @Chris_Gammell: Really good episode of @TheAmpHour coming up for this week (I was not part of the recording). Patrons get early access.…
44:38 <EEVBot> [Twitter] - eevblog - RT @chaser: Scott Morrison rushed to safety following Engadine Maccas Covid scare https://t.co/zH5zdPz4Pt
51:35 <EEVBot> [Twitter] - eevblog - The current state of the world. https://t.co/jpUAZgTotK
58:32 <EEVBot> [Twitter] - eevblog - The current state of all online, media, and government discourse: https://t.co/mFpf1DelOi
05:47 Quit: coppice ([email protected]) Quit: Konversation terminated!
18:30 <EEVBot> [Twitter] - eevblog - Officially approved. Get to the choppa! https://t.co/mNJuZHM3Hc
23:51 Quit: clarkos ([email protected]) Ping timeout: 121 seconds
25:22 Join: clarkos ([email protected]) to #EEVblog
25:22 Quit: clarkos ([email protected]) Changing hosts
27:12 <EEVBot> [Twitter] - eevblog - Copyright claim released for the SECOND time. Why not go for the trifecta! https://t.co/TOgxqzAfKy
44:09 Quit: Nothing\ (~Shmendrick@cpe9050ca20a183-cm9050ca20a180.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) Quit: Leaving
09:04 <Halcyon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4n5vmpFtXw
09:06 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: Neon Lamps + GEC 400w Hot Cathode Neon
09:15 <Halcyon> It's crazy how forgiving neons are
09:31 <steve30> I'll watch that later
10:27 * steve30 couldn't sleep
10:39 <Halcyon> Awww
10:46 * Halcyon hugs steve30 
10:57 <steve30> :)
20:43 Join: Guest69 ([email protected]) to #EEVblog
03:13 Quit: Guest69 ([email protected]) Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…
26:29 <EEVBot> [Twitter] - eevblog - Anyone have the issue in the NSW covid check-in ap where if you check into two places at once, e.g. shopping centre… https://t.co/h6ErRZ7583
14:15 <MrMobodies> Hello
14:16 <EEVBot> Hello, MrMobodies!
14:56 <MrMobodies> has anybody seen a movie called "Scum" 1979?
14:59 <MrMobodies> https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0079871/
15:02 <EEVBot> [Title] - Scum (1979) - IMDb
16:32 <MrMobodies> it reminds me of someone
20:29 <MrMobodies> got to go to sleep now see you later.
06:09 <K> hello bins
06:10 <EEVBot> Hello, K!
32:23 <steve30> hi
45:39 <Halcyon> Hello garbage
45:45 <Halcyon> Hey Steve :)
49:06 * steve30 cuddles up to Halcyon 
50:10 <Halcyon> :D
50:59 <Halcyon> steve30, kiska, whoever else is around, DogWomble and I are going to set up another test broadcast with a third person to see how that works out in terms of audio and difficult in manging it all if you want to join as listeners again?
51:40 <kiska> Uh sure?
52:28 <Halcyon> We are just trying to wake up the other guy from Sweden
52:48 <steve30> i can try
54:23 <kiska> WAKE UP JEFF!
54:54 <Halcyon> Just have to wait a bit
59:03 Quit: pakesson ([email protected]) Ping timeout: 121 seconds
59:27 <Halcyon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAcZpN-GEr8
59:27 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: THE BEST CINNAMON RAISIN BREAD with a Twist (literally)
59:29 <Halcyon> Om nom nom
05:47 <Halcyon> I am going to go make a wake-up coffee, it's been a long, tiring day
05:48 Quit: wuzamarine ([email protected]) Ping timeout: 121 seconds
30:29 Quit: DogWomble ([email protected]) EOF from client
31:34 Join: DogWomble ([email protected]) to #EEVblog
42:00 Quit: DogWomble ([email protected]) EOF from client
42:13 <Halcyon> Having some technical issues but we should be streaming shortly
48:53 Join: DogWomble ([email protected]) to #EEVblog
51:00 <DogWomble> Anybody want to help by listeining into two geeks jabbering and doing another qwuilaity test? http://cp7.digistream.info:12308/index.html?sid=1
51:01 <EEVBot> [Title] - Shoutcast Server
51:07 <Halcyon> steve30, kiska, link is up
54:12 Join: wuzamarine ([email protected]) to #EEVblog
55:25 <steve30> I here a halcyon
55:29 <steve30> *hear
55:46 <steve30> :)
58:18 <steve30> Sound quality is good although dogwomble could do with a pop filter
58:36 <steve30> I heard everything, thanks
59:00 <kiska> Someone eating the mic?
59:24 <kiska> Someone is really hungry :D
59:36 <steve30> What microphones are you both using?
00:51 <steve30> Some interviews of me on Youtube were done on a Rode NTG :)
01:54 <kiska> I have a blue yeti, its in a box :D
01:54 <steve30> My Sony shotgun microphone is a bit noisy
02:38 <kiska> https://www.bluemic.com/en-us/products/yeti/ :D
02:40 <EEVBot> [Title] - Blue - Yeti
04:42 <kiska> Anyone in QLD want to help me get this? https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/203542079398 :D
04:44 <EEVBot> [Title] - Thycon 30kva UPS | eBay
05:08 <steve30> My Rode Lavalier Go has been quite good.
05:21 <kiska> No clue, its 99 cents right now :D
05:45 <steve30> yeah, cable
06:16 <kiska> You can adapt 3 phase into single phase :p
06:45 <kiska> Autonomy time is how long the UPS can stay online while off the grid
07:33 <steve30> I need the toilet, brb
07:50 <kiska> Spec sheet http://www.thycon.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/THYCON_CPX-MAXI-60-120.pdf
08:43 <kiska> Sorry wrong unit http://www.thycon.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/THYCON_ComPower-Mini.pdf
09:06 <kiska> I ain't going to find 3 phase in my unit
10:01 <kiska> But yeah looks like Thycon is Australian :D
10:58 <kiska> Just ring up and go, I want part number x give me quote :D
12:11 <kiska> I mean... I have this in my bedroom :D https://server8.kiska.pw/uploads/38a733f475e572b5/20200527_225415.mp4
13:23 <kiska> Uh... I can sleep :D
13:35 <K> white noise helps you sleep?
13:50 <kiska> HPE C7000
13:55 <Halcyon> K join the shoutcast stream, makes more sense
14:10 <Halcyon> Link is above
14:17 <kiska> https://server8.kiska.pw/uploads/5b8236ffdcea77d8/Screenshot_20210806-201405_Samsung%20Health.jpg
15:02 <Halcyon> Nice one :)
15:15 Quit: EEVBot ([email protected]) Ping timeout: 121 seconds
15:27 <K> ah
16:46 <K> ye
16:58 * steve30 returns
18:43 <kiska> Sure lets just rename kia to electric boogaloo :D
19:15 <kiska> And then Hitachi became WD
20:23 <kiska> I have been bitten by Seagate... :D
21:38 <steve30> I had a seagate drive fail
21:43 <steve30> But the ones since then have been fine
22:11 <kiska> Whoops? https://server8.kiska.pw/uploads/c91e2f68320bbd9f/image.png
23:17 <kiska> *shrug*
24:00 <kiska> Its not Cisco :D
24:15 <kiska> Its a Nortel 5520-48T-PWR
24:34 <kiska> Its a 1U 48 port PoE gigabit switch
25:13 <kiska> Nortel still exist... as Avaya
25:23 <kiska> https://grafana.kiska.pw/d/-M8TT2M7z/nortel-ers-5520 :D
26:28 <K> uh, i have a meeting now, gonna stop listening
26:32 <kiska> Anyway I can't find replacement parts that aren't expensive :D
28:11 <kiska> Its not a Nortel interface, its Grafana. I am inputting the stats via snmp
29:05 <steve30> https://stallman.org/zoom.html
29:35 <kiska> RIP zomo?
29:37 <kiska> zoom*
31:06 <kiska> I would have assumed aws also ticked those boxes
31:39 * steve30 pets his Asterisk server
33:33 <kiska> Is it bad I find dad jokes funny?
34:07 <steve30> Halcyon is quick on the toilet
34:19 <kiska> lol
35:26 <kiska> I feel like removing my spine.
35:26 <kiska> I think it’s the only thing holding me back.
35:26 <kiska> :p
36:05 <kiska> https://twitter.com/Dadsaysjokes/
39:25 <steve30> I'm taking my dead cat out with me later
39:56 <steve30> Sony ECM-NV1
39:56 <kiska> Halcyon: https://twitter.com/Dadsaysjokes/status/1411362878494588932
39:57 <kiska> :p
40:12 <steve30> Standard shotgun microphone that used to come with some sony camcorders
42:33 * steve30 will be recording in HDV later
43:21 <steve30> I have to go soon
45:39 <steve30> :D
46:36 <kiska> Meanwhile my sleep schedule has been inverted
46:47 <steve30> cool
46:52 <steve30> I had to set my alarm clock earlier
47:10 <kiska> I am not sure if you saw my sleep times :D
47:18 <steve30> Halcyon, I will have video footage of a 'gay village' later
47:37 <kiska> I will remind you of https://server8.kiska.pw/uploads/5b8236ffdcea77d8/Screenshot_20210806-201405_Samsung%20Health.jpg
47:53 <kiska> I am sure I've said it here
47:54 <kiska> :D
48:30 <steve30> 36 miles in a straight line. Much further by transport.
49:09 <kiska> test failed successfully?
50:36 <kiska> *should* be awake :D
50:57 <kiska> Halcyon: But yes I woke up at 6pm :D
51:43 <steve30> Never heard of that
52:57 <Halcyon> steve30, qwerties is a cute Swedish gay guy
53:21 <steve30> nice
54:39 <steve30> I have to go now, nice to listen to you all
55:29 Quit: steve30 ([email protected]) Quit: <Baljem> steve30: by the way, I had the most bizarre dream the other day that someone came in here and seriously flipped their shit over your quit message and why aren't the ops /doing/ something about it
58:11 <kiska> So... make dad jokes to qwerties :D
58:39 <DogWomble> http://cp7.digistream.info:12308/index.html?sid=1 that's the audio stream we're testing :P
58:47 <kiska> DogWomble: https://twitter.com/Dadsaysjokes/status/1407783582257586176
59:46 <kiska> https://twitter.com/Dadsaysjokes/status/1407782455688499209
01:06 <kiska> https://twitter.com/Dadsaysjokes/status/1406300451352555527 :D
03:23 <kiska> https://twitter.com/Dadsaysjokes/status/1405614643956097040 more :D
03:42 <kiska> This guy has like 6.6k jokes
08:43 <kiska> The last one tonight :D https://twitter.com/Dadsaysjokes/status/1403068728808554498
15:17 <kiska> lol :D
15:26 <kiska> Russian :D
15:29 <Ampera> good morning
15:42 * Ampera starts a small bonfire
15:46 <Halcyon> Morning :)
16:08 <kiska> Hello
16:19 <kiska> Ampera join the audio stream
17:25 <kiska> Well the music works :D
17:27 Join: coppice ([email protected]) to #EEVblog
17:44 <Ampera> I'm already listening to my own music thanks
17:58 * Ampera hugs Halcyon 
18:00 <Ampera> how are you doing
18:57 <Halcyon> Testing Shoutcast
19:36 <Ampera> why
19:49 <Halcyon> Things
19:54 <Ampera> ok
19:56 <kiska> I am neutral about the music
21:22 <coppice> are you neutral about all music or just live music?
21:50 <Halcyon> coppice, he is joining our live stream
21:57 <Halcyon> Responding to an audio question
22:36 <kiska> "productive" :D
22:56 <coppice> I don't care about your audio. I'm just playing with words
23:22 <Halcyon> Indeed
25:40 <kiska> Windows update will break it
27:45 <kiska> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
29:41 <coppice> I'm amused by Asus' BIOS updates to get TPM turned on en masse, ready for Win 11
29:56 <kiska> cya guys :D
30:10 <Ampera> coppice, does it do anything beyond turning on TPM?
30:56 <coppice> Ampera: this seems to be the key thing. They've realised millions of people have no clue how to go into their BIOS and turn it on for themselves
33:09 <DHess_US> Or more likely it was broken from the start.
34:13 <Ampera> Microsoft's PR for this is hilarious though
34:26 <Ampera> literally saying "we know it sucks" and effectively telling people to deal with it
34:40 <Ampera> with the blah blah best interest to the consumer obviously crap you'd otherwise expect.
35:10 <Ampera> glad to see the every other version curse is still holding strong over there in windows-ville
35:20 <coppice> In most BIOSes the options for TPM have very obscure naming
35:54 <Ampera> because they were and, in my opinion, still are almost entirely useless for the base consumer.
36:15 <Ampera> The only people who love it are people who can't masturbate to porn unless it has DRM.
36:26 <coppice> DHess_US: I expect they always worked, as I expect a lot of corporate customers have had TPM turned on for years
38:21 <DHess_US> coppice, Asus and others routinely have broken BIOS features which never get fixed. What you say may only be true for corporate customers.
38:57 <DHess_US> For instance ECC is broken in 4 of 5 or more Asus BIOSes.
39:27 <coppice> DHess_US: It feels like most motherboard makers are too afraid of breaking something to fix anything they can avoid fixing
39:39 <DHess_US> I had to go back like 3 BIOS revisions to find one where it worked.
40:47 <Ampera> Hopefully the advent of DDR5 requiring ECC will put the whole nightmare of consumer ECC to rest
41:43 <coppice> Ampera: DDR5 doesn't have ECC in the way you think. Its just ECC in the memory to CPU comms
42:05 <Ampera> oh
42:25 <Ampera> alright well never mind, bring on the nightmare.
43:49 <DHess_US> It is weirder than that.
45:01 <DHess_US> And I think Ampera got it wrong.
45:05 <coppice> Ampera: I said just, but its actually a very good thing. Its a complement to ECC storage, though.
46:16 <Ampera> I'm not doubting I'm wrong, it's just what I happened to hear.
47:45 <DHess_US> The memory array is protected by ECC but only on reads. It does not support or perform scrubbing when an error is found.
47:56 <DHess_US> It cannot support scrubbing because of power constraints.
48:23 <DHess_US> The ECC is only performed in the interface.
49:16 <DHess_US> Servers will have a separate ECC implementation as usual.
51:57 <coppice> Ampera: its amazing how much the reliability of DRAM storage has improved, that we can get away with most memory having no ability to even detect an error, let alone correct it. You couldn't do that 40 years ago
52:54 <Ampera> I was under the general impression that as memory speeds have been increasing, that's become less the case. I suppose it does make some sense that's with regard to the memory face itself.
54:20 <coppice> Ampera: speed and memory integrity are separate things. The ECC in DDR5 is a response to the speed issue, and its effects on signal integrity. I find it interesting that they have introduced correction, and not just detection of comms errors.
54:48 <Ampera> Aye, it does make sense.
00:00 <DHess_US> DDR5 has to retrain its memory interface as the temperature changes, so it has to be able to detect interface errors which I assume are common enough to make ECC on the interface worthwhile.
00:02 <DHess_US> Huh, this says CRC protection for the data bus, https://www.synopsys.com/designware-ip/technical-bulletin/ddr5-features.html
03:01 <coppice> so?
04:16 <Halcyon> Ampera
04:20 <Ampera> yes
04:25 <Halcyon> Love you
04:29 <Ampera> [citation needed]
04:41 <coppice> Oh, that pages says there is 8 bits of extra storage for each 128 bits, for error correction purposes. That's not what I read in other descriptions
04:46 * Halcyon punches Ampera in the box
05:36 <Ampera> how are you doing Halcyon
07:33 <Halcyon> Doing OK, how are you?
10:02 <Ampera> Awake.
16:22 Quit: Halcyon ([email protected]) EOF from client
16:34 Join: Halcyon ([email protected]) to #EEVblog
18:27 <+electrohead> o/
18:31 <Halcyon> Yoooo
18:35 <+electrohead> Yoooo
19:03 <Ampera> AYO
19:07 * Ampera smacks electrohead with a tuna
19:47 <K> the whole tuna?
20:05 * electrohead smothers Ampera in mayonnaise
21:22 <Ampera> K, the full monty
21:41 <K> oh my
Search this day's buffer: