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07:44 <rust_collector> you are wonderful
08:32 * T3sl4 towels off electrohead a bit
10:10 <+electrohead> lol
10:12 <+electrohead> good morning
48:44 <T3sl4> https://i.imgur.com/USY848f.jpg
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38:01 <arch> is it ever a good idea to use an arduino (uno or nano) uC for digital smps designs?
38:47 <arch> i saw some awful designs on the net, just quickly searching for "arduino smps"
39:10 <arch> wondering if there are any good ones around, or if everyone and their grandmother wants to use arduino for half-assed projects
41:12 <coppice> arch: there seems not point in making an SMPS digital unless it performs better than an analogue one. I can't see any metric of performance where one based on an arduino would match an analogue design
42:56 <arch> i was just curious is all. for example, right now i'm working on a TI reference design for a MPPT charge controller, and the uC it uses runs at hundreds of MHz, and is responsible for the switching control
44:22 <coppice> arch: suitability for tight control loops has much less to do with the MHz than with the peripheral design. I assume you are looking at a C2000 based design. Those devices are specifically designed for very low latency control
44:34 <arch> probably arduinos would be okay-ish too, just at lower switching frequencies (ie, larger switching inductors, every time i see those DIY builds--massive fking inductors).
45:05 <arch> coppice, i'm making this, on copperclad. it's pretty challenging, but i like to test myself: https://www.ti.com/tool/TIDA-010042
45:06 <EEVBot> [Title] -
45:15 <arch> i already have all the parts
46:47 <coppice> oh, that's just using an MSP430 in a low update rate loop.
48:09 <arch> yea. im wondering how that's gonna perform on copperclad build. probably a few % less efficient
49:17 <arch> the sepic i made is 89% efficient. probably lost out on 1 or 2% just from using a small-ish coupled inductor
49:44 <arch> but overall, i've been surprised by copperclad builds
49:57 <arch> haven't bought any manufactured PCBs since 2 years ago
01:00 <Lord_of_nothing> https://youtu.be/1688Cv2ZETU
01:01 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: Gerald Grosz über Streit um 1G-Regel
03:00 <Kuschelpony> nope
03:29 <rust_collector> what is 1g rule?
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29:24 <Kuschelpony> welcome back, arch
32:24 <Lord_of_nothing> @rust_collector well you must have a vacine to enter a cinema, gym,...
33:52 <Lord_of_nothing> but hey its your free will to get it or not
34:15 <Lord_of_nothing> nobody force you. But if you not get it you cant enter a restaurant, cinema, gym,... soon
34:29 <Lord_of_nothing> but its just your choice if you get them or not...
38:45 <T3sl4> coppice: probably in the more esoteric things, like induction heaters. i need to make a digital resonant control some day
39:46 <arch> hi
41:01 * T3sl4 pats arch on the head
41:22 <arch> :3
41:48 <arch> is it just me an T3sl4 making shit in this channel? anyone else making something fun?
42:17 * T3sl4 pats belly
42:21 <T3sl4> i've been making shit alright
42:42 <arch> damn tentacle monster made T3sl4 pregante
42:50 <arch> gregnant even
43:08 <T3sl4> how girl get pregonant
43:15 <arch> preganananant
43:21 <T3sl4> how is babby form ed?
43:25 <coppice> T3sl4: trying to stay on resonance, wobbling around an MPPT optimal and other applications bring in factors beyond SMPS
44:47 <+electrohead> pregnart?
44:59 <coppice> the art of insemination
45:22 <T3sl4> sadly there are few general purpose SMPS core-bits that can be married with some modestly flexible generalization of applications like those
55:31 <arch> suppose i mixed in tin coated PCBs, so say 63-37 tin-lead solder, into a ferric chloride bath. i'd get lead chloride, tin chloride, iron chloride, and copper chloride, right. if i wanted to purify it to remove the lead, tin, and copper chlorides, is electrolysis the way to go?
55:59 * arch smells some chlorine fumes...ahh
55:59 <Kuschelpony> yes
56:21 <Kuschelpony> but im honest, lead salts are something i prefer to not deal with
56:44 <Kuschelpony> (currently experimenting again with galvanic tin plating)
56:56 <arch> cool! do you have pics of your setup Kuschelpony
57:16 <Kuschelpony> i will happily share them when i have a new setup again
57:36 <Kuschelpony> currently its not really more than a glas jar in an unused edge of the bathroom
57:44 <arch> the process makes chlorine fumes right? how do you get rid of the fumes?
57:55 <Kuschelpony> they should not form in the first place
58:15 <Kuschelpony> (i use NaOH based electrolyte so its not opic at all)
58:18 <arch> ahh ok
58:43 <Kuschelpony> but in your metal mix, the chlorine is supposed to attack and dissolve the anode, so if it bubbles out you have much too much current density
58:50 <T3sl4> lead chloride is low solubility and easily precipitated as sulfate, just add sulfuric acid
59:13 <Kuschelpony> unfortunately sulfuric acid is now non longer legal to posess in EU
59:18 <arch> but then you have some copper sulfate impurity no?
59:22 <T3sl4> you poor bastards
59:48 <Kuschelpony> no, copper sulöfate is very well soluble, while lead sulfate is very bad soluble (thats why i kills lead acid accumulators)
59:50 <arch> EU is seriously a nanny state, holy crap
59:57 <Kuschelpony> yep
00:00 <arch> same as UK
00:10 <arch> oi you got a loicense for that
00:24 <arch> *people getting stabbed in the background*
00:34 <Kuschelpony> im not sure which reason they used this time to ban something, perhaps some criminals splashing sulfuric acid in peoples faces
00:37 <arch> *bans knives*
00:43 <Kuschelpony> or the usual "its used to make explosives"
00:49 <arch> *sees people gets sliced with paper cuts*
01:03 <Kuschelpony> oh large knives are banned here as well, except at home in storage
01:47 <T3sl4> to be fair i mean, you let the people have one night of long knives and look what they do with them
02:11 <Kuschelpony> i would be totally ok with any solution where innocent people are not getting wounded
02:24 <Kuschelpony> dont care about these who want to do things with knives
02:41 <arch> well, im sure the smart people can synthesize some sulfuric acid, or hcl too
02:52 <arch> won't be pure, but they can
03:08 * T3sl4 plops some molten sodium bisulfate on arch
03:59 <arch> there's a vid where codyslab makes nitric acid from air
04:23 <arch> what are they gonna do, ban air?
05:07 <Kuschelpony> hcl is still allowed, and can totally easy be purified by destillation
05:49 <Kuschelpony> im stocking up acetone, a very usefuil solvent for 3d printing
05:51 <arch> just wait a few decades for the acid rain before earth turns to neo-Venus and anyone can get free acid
06:03 <Kuschelpony> hihi, sulfuric acid for free :)
07:08 <coppice> arch: well, it seems the powers that be want us to live in a suffocating atmosphere
08:42 <Kuschelpony> but back to galvanization, i should look to set up something i want to photograph the next two weeks
11:47 <T3sl4> you should've moved to sudbury before they installed the scrubbers
12:21 <T3sl4> they say it was a moonscape from the sheer magnitude of acid rainfall, from the nearby smelter (nickel and other sulfide ores)
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27:37 <arch> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7QIcxoJU4g
27:37 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: TF2 Scout advertises the Slap Chop
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47:05 * Lord_of_nothing feel sad that Mr. Kuschel ignore the facts like: https://youtu.be/IGqDGeDssmY
47:27 <Lord_of_nothing> https://youtu.be/IGqDGeDssmY
47:28 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: The Unstudied Link Between the COVID Vaccine and Periods
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51:52 <coppice> Unstudied? By who? The connection between covid and the female reproductive system has been studied since 2003, when the original SARS hit
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01:21 <arch> i'm just waiting for the chaos
01:25 * arch grabs popcorn
02:08 <arch> some people just want to watch the world burn *shrugs* (goes on both sides btw; im neutral)
03:31 <coppice> arch: which kind of chaos? We have a broad selection to offer this week
04:49 <arch> btw, vice is about as useful as a "news" organization as The Onion. maybe even less useful
05:02 <Kuschelpony> wow, as we recently talked about large screen scopes, i think that one beats all
05:05 <Kuschelpony> https://www.ebay-kleinanzeigen.de/s-anzeige/oszillograph-oszilloskop-vintage/1369232972-250-4266
05:05 <EEVBot> [Title] - Error Page
05:25 <coppice> arch: rubbish. Give it 5 years and almost everything on The Onion becomes reality
05:42 <arch> true dat
07:45 <arch> seems like more and more people are becoming mistrustful of doctors and healthcare workers. this is not gonna end well
08:24 <Ampera> it's almost like people don't want to put the faith of their health into the proprietors of an broken and exploitative market.
08:29 <coppice> arch: its no use telling the public lies if you haven't arranged to cover your tracks. It kinda breeds mistrust
09:20 <coppice> For the next few years I suspect "telling a Fauci" will be a popular expression
09:31 <Ampera> lol
17:34 <arch> this is me: https://www.theonion.com/woman-puts-off-going-to-doctor-until-disease-bad-enough-1847437610
17:34 <EEVBot> [Title] - Woman Puts Off Going To Doctor Until Disease Bad Enough For Him To Believe Her
32:05 <Ampera> arch, I didn't know you were a woman
32:24 <arch> it's 2021. i have the power to be what i want to be, at will
32:55 * arch becomes a magical girl *sailor moon transformation sequence music plays*
33:28 <Ampera> sometimes I regret existing.
33:34 <arch> =(
33:39 * arch headpats Ampera 
33:39 <Ampera> <3
33:52 <Ampera> at least there is a hurricane on the way
33:54 <Ampera> that'll be fun
34:06 <Ampera> hey arch, am I correct in recalling you live in NY?
34:09 <arch> yeap
34:12 <arch> it's raining here atm
34:15 <Ampera> are you in the part where things are getting fun?
34:16 <Ampera> nice
34:27 <Ampera> I'm up near Albany, so the party may or may not come to us later.
34:30 <arch> no, there are no strong winds yet, just raining
34:50 <Ampera> The only thing here is a dreadful look and sense of impending doom
34:57 <Ampera> but it's the Albany era, so that's not unusual.
35:11 <Ampera> you LI or NYC?
35:19 <arch> im in a shithole, Bronx
35:34 <Ampera> I don't think I've ever been to the Bronx.
35:43 <Ampera> I've only been to NYC twice in my life
35:48 <arch> dont come here, unless you enjoy getting mugged
35:57 <Ampera> here people are too depressed to mug you
36:24 <Ampera> though I hear crime's been going to shit more than usual down there
36:25 <arch> better depressed than a criminal/druggie
36:39 <Ampera> oh no they're all druggies, but they're usually the non-violent druggies
36:56 <Ampera> worst that's ever happened to us is we've had the ashtray stolen out of one of our cars before
36:59 <arch> it's cuz all the free money go BRRR. you give free money to idiots, and they'll spend it on buying fireworks and/or guns
37:09 <Ampera> lol
37:54 <Ampera> php is starting to grow on me
38:15 <arch> as soon as the first $1200 checks went out, within a week, all you saw was a HUUUGE influx of fireworks in the city
38:15 <Ampera> of all the weakly typed languages I've used, php is one of the most innocent
38:23 <Ampera> we had the same thing here
38:32 <Ampera> but the difference is that dickheads are always setting off fireworks
38:33 <arch> literally burning money
38:50 <Ampera> we legalized fireworks one 4th of July and good god was the entire city blowing the fuck up
38:54 <Ampera> that was the last time that happened
39:41 <Ampera> most of the fun really only happened around the time of the george floyd riots. While we didn't have any riots (In Albany a bit, but I don't live there)
39:56 <Ampera> it was mostly the neighbors known for being a bit annoying setting off rockets
40:50 <arch> speaking of moniez, i have yet to receive my $600...and my tax refund
41:44 <arch> fuckers sent me a check for $7.44...for the original tax refund, then they made some changes to the rules for unemployment, and they owe me another $2200, but i haven't received that
42:09 <arch> $7.44 check, which i haven't bothered to deposit. can't be assed to go to the bank for that shit
42:37 <Ampera> I never received any stimulus money whatsoever
42:45 <Ampera> since, up until this tax year, I was a dependent
43:00 <arch> yea, thats why
43:18 <Ampera> I'm not too bothered. I have a good salary, I don't need it.
43:19 <arch> my boss hasn't received his tax ref either
43:29 <Ampera> I never received a tax refund because I received a tax bill :P
43:44 <arch> that was me, last year. had to pay $700
43:52 <Ampera> I think I had to pay 400-500 bucks or so
44:03 <Ampera> my taxes are otherwise stupid easy
44:31 <Ampera> what I'm annoyed about is how there are effectively no options to directly submit your taxes to the government electronically
44:35 <Ampera> every option is through some third party
44:40 <arch> it's not about "needing" the extra money; it's more an excuse to splurge on something nice
44:59 <Ampera> The federal government had a free fillable form option which I used, which seemed to be at least somewhat streamlined, but for my NYS taxes I mailed them in
45:23 <Ampera> and I may consider mailing my 2021 federal taxes in next year too, because I prefer as few points of access to my tax information as possible
45:38 <arch> i wasn't able to donate last year as i was outa work for 8 months, so i want to make up the missing amount from that too
46:09 <arch> to various linux and open source orgs
46:44 <Ampera> I've considered making donations, but I kinda have this weird want to sort of be somewhat settled in life before I start donating to anything
46:45 <arch> and the institute for cat girl and tentacle monster research
47:04 <Ampera> cat girls = yes tentacle monsters = maybe
49:07 <arch> i was trying to search for "maid cat" (literal) on google image search, but all i got was nekopara =(
50:49 <arch> great, now google will keep recommending me weeb visual novels...i should have opened in private window
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17:29 <Nothing\> well that's fucking stupid
17:46 <Nothing\> i'm locked out of my google account because apparently a fucking moron wrote the software for account recovery
18:09 <Nothing\> it wants 2 step verification, which i can't do cuz i don't have that phone i was using anymore
18:52 <Nothing\> so itgives some stupid option to recover it with my tablet, so i go with that and it only wants me to use 1 specific tablet that i've logged in with before, which is a crippled piece of shit that barely works
19:07 <Nothing\> not that that matters because nothing in any of the directions it gave me was even there
20:18 <Nothing\> it's saying like "go to setup and click google" well there's no 'google' in setup. Then i finally find this google it's talking about for account management, and then nothing in step 2 is there. It's just a bunch of options for notifications and something. Nothing about account recovery.
20:42 <Nothing\> So I try to recover it with my email, and the damn thing's trying to send a verification code to the same fucking email address i'm trying to recover
21:26 <Nothing\> so i go with the final "help" option and all that does is give me the exact same options that didn't work before, then it says "try to sign in again and answer as many questions as you can"
21:53 <Nothing\> so I try to sign in and there are no such questions. It's just trying to do the same verification shit it was doing in the first place
22:13 <Nothing\> so my account's lost because Google's account recovery software was written by a moron
23:23 <Nothing\> even searching the help pages, the only pages that come up are 2 or 3 years old, so they're not even relevant anymore
24:00 <Nothing\> it's like i said, trying to reason with google is like trying to reason with a brain damaged child
24:08 <Nothing\> that's EXACTLY what it feels like
24:56 <Nothing\> just, nothing makes sense, everything takes you around in circles that go nowhere, you're teased constantly with the hope that you MIGHT be onto something only to find you're right back where you started
25:02 <Nothing\> it's enough to drive someone insane
41:00 <Nothing\> and i can't even put the SIM card from the phone in my tablet cuz i just realized the slot that's supposed to pop out on my tablet is fucking jammed in there so hard, the button to eject it is permanently forced down, and the entire slot is just stuck in the hole
41:08 <Nothing\> brand new fucking tablet and already it's broken
41:22 <Nothing\> didn't even have to take it out of the box
43:09 <Nothing\> i can even feel when i stick a pin into the hole to eject it, the pin goes down a good almost half an inch before it hits anything
43:32 <Nothing\> where on the phone, it barely goes in 1/16in or 1/32in
44:16 <Nothing\> so clearly the button's been jammed down and the card holder's stuck in the slot
44:42 <Nothing\> welcome to the future, where only 10% of your consumer goods actually work the way they should!
45:02 <Nothing\> and that's only if you spend 3 months wages on it
22:08 * Halcyon pokes at steve30's sausage
28:28 <electrohead> I'm awaiting random foods for delivery right now
28:28 <Nothing\> electrohead, right on. I wish i could rearrange my bedroom
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28:28 <Halcyon> Why can't you Nothing\ ?
28:28 <Nothing\> but since i have a queen sized bed there aren't really any other places i can put it
28:28 <*buffextras> [email protected] set mode: +v EEVBot
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28:28 <Nothing\> at least not where it wouldn't be blocking the heating vent
28:28 <Halcyon> Mmmm
28:28 <Nothing\> and it already gets super cold in there in the winter
28:28 <electrohead> speaking of sausage - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6U4vtHg-JI
28:28 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: Fried Catfish Sausage
36:36 <Some_Person> Goodwill stuff; didn’t buy anything today: https://imgur.com/a/onAg8PZ
36:37 <EEVBot> [Title] - Imgur: The magic of the Internet
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18:14 <Erhard> Nothing\: That sucks.
18:40 <Erhard> Gotta keep all those recovery things up to date, which I don't like to do because I don't want to give mor einfo to google than I absolutely have to.
26:49 <Nothing\> yeah the phone only just broke and i didn't even think of my youtube account cuz i was too worried about the phone
27:27 <Nothing\> fucking double verification shit
27:37 <Nothing\> seems like you're damned if you do and damned if you don't
27:54 <Nothing\> either too secure that you can't log in, or not secure enough and you get your shit hacked/stolen
28:56 <Nothing\> frankly at this point, i'd be totally willing to have an RFID chip implanted into me with a PIN that's unique to only that chip and can't be spoofed (ideally) that just syncs with all of my accounts
29:11 <Nothing\> and just a little RFID reader in my computer or phone or whatever to verify it
29:39 <Nothing\> or they've got cameras with high enough resolution to do retinal scanning, why the hell don't they make that an option
29:43 <Nothing\> i'd do that in a pinch
31:22 <Nothing\> what i don't get is how google's account recovery software is so crippled, yet they're changing things on their sites on an almost monthly basis
31:39 <Nothing\> but this just feels like it wasn't even an afterthought
32:56 <Nothing\> either way i somehow got google to send a verification code to a different email address for account recovery, but it said it's just to reset the password, which isn't my problem at all
33:21 <Nothing\> i just need to disable or get around this stupid two step verification
33:56 <Nothing\> or get access to the text messages on the old phone, which i have the sim card but since the sim card slot on the new tablet won't open, that idea's out the window
34:15 <Nothing\> it's like everything i come up with, theres something two steps ahead of me keeping me from doing this
40:33 <steve30> I think I'll do some arduinoing
58:58 <steve30> Just heard an advert for 'plant based meat'
59:05 <steve30> well, i supposed animals do eat plants....
36:44 <Halcyon> Morning all
43:56 <Nothing\> steve30, i should do that too
44:01 <Nothing\> or some 6502ing
44:08 <Nothing\> or 8086ing, actually
44:42 <Nothing\> i found a great tutorial pdf for emu8086 last night, it's a good 115 pages or so. Much nicer than the brief "tutorial" it comes with
45:03 <Nothing\> i mean, the first example program uses interrupts, but doesn't even explain what they are or what they do
45:16 <steve30> my arduino won't programme
45:21 * steve30 gets claws out
45:26 <Nothing\> grr
45:30 <Nothing\> you too, huh?
45:43 <Nothing\> is this a real arduino or a knockoff?
46:00 <Nothing\> maybe try updating the serial drivers either way
46:08 <Nothing\> and the ide software, why not
46:25 <Nothing\> but i'm sure that was your first instinct anyways
46:50 <Nothing\> although i've never had any problem with the ch341 drivers, i've never used a legit arduino
47:09 <Nothing\> but it seems serial drivers have been a headache for me with embedded systems in general
47:37 <Nothing\> they should just install them automatically like every other modern usb device
48:29 <steve30> genuine arduino uno
48:34 <steve30> i have another one though which i'll try
48:38 <Nothing\> oooh i know steve30
48:41 <Nothing\> for your project
49:18 <Nothing\> make an accelleration sensor that tracks the speed and g forces of a printer's write head
50:29 <Nothing\> it'd be interesting to see how fast it goes, a graph of speed vs time, and acceleration vs time, or vs position along the bar
50:39 <Nothing\> there are all sorts of metrics you could measure
51:07 * Nothing\ looks at one of his many derelict but semi-functional printers
51:11 <steve30> uploads fine to the brand new board
51:29 <Nothing\> huh, did you use a different cable when you changed the board?
51:53 <steve30> nope
52:02 <steve30> I might try and reprogrmme the bootloader some time
52:03 <Nothing\> or it could just have a break of the wires inside the cable that made contact while you were moving it around to change them out
52:11 <Nothing\> i've had that happen a lot more than once to me
52:27 <Nothing\> that's gotta be one of the most annoying problems, a broken wire inside a cable
53:32 <Nothing\> i still have a good logitech gamepad that that happened too. I was just gonna try to estimate where the break is, cut it out, then splice, solder, heatshrink and electrical tape it back together
53:40 <Nothing\> and hope to god i got the break
54:48 <Nothing\> but oh well, as long as you have a working arduino
54:54 <Nothing\> what were you thinking of doing with it?
55:12 <Nothing\> or you just dinking around for the sake of learning?
56:22 <Nothing\> fuuuuu
56:26 <Nothing\> my shoulder's getting worse
57:02 <Nothing\> just tried to move it in a full circle and barely got 180 degrees out of it
57:23 <Nothing\> lol i wound up just moving my body around my arm at one point
58:21 <steve30> yay, code/circuit off the internet works :)
58:32 <Nothing\> nice!
58:44 <Nothing\> library too? or was that necessary?
59:07 <Nothing\> i always hate using libraries. Something in me just KNOWS they won't work
59:44 <steve30> its a camera remote control
59:45 <steve30> http://controlyourcamera.blogspot.com/2011/02/arduino-powered-lanc-remote.html
59:49 <Nothing\> especially fro something like an OLED screen. Which I've still yet to do anything with. This little 1in blue OLED screen I got for like $5
59:55 <Nothing\> ah, right on
00:03 <Nothing\> that's what i need
00:20 <steve30> I haven't tried an OLED. I have a nice 4 line LCD which i got a few years ago though
00:22 <Nothing\> i keep trying to convince my mom to get a doorbell camera or a camera outside the door but she refuses
00:26 <Nothing\> saying we don't need one
00:44 <Nothing\> i say it's like insurance, sure we don't need one. But we'll wish we had one when we do need one.
01:05 <coppice> steve30: OLEDs displays are just LED displays that display in Spanish
01:28 <steve30> I'd like a camera for my front door. I recently got an IP camera, so might do something with that
08:09 <Nothing\> Yeah I even told her I'd split the cost with her
09:03 <Nothing\> i'm extremely adamant that we get one. Not for packages, I don't really get enough packages although it has worried me in the past. But mostly just for catching potential insurance liabilities or criminal activity
10:03 <Nothing\> Same for the car. I'd like her to get one for the front and rear of the car
10:31 <Nothing\> but again she won't, even though she's had a couple of hit and runs and keyings in the last few years
11:20 <Nothing\> i really hate it when that happens, i'm practically screaming at the top of my lungs for somebody to do something common sense that for some reason they refuse to do
11:57 <Nothing\> and then i end up having to say "i told you so" but in more constructive terms. Which I absolutely hate doing.
14:12 <Nothing\> that's half the reason i had my falling out with my brother. Had to say i told you so when he wound up in the hospital from his egregious drug use and then when he just planned on doing more drugs when he got home i just said fuck it and symbolically washed my hands of the situation pontius pilate style
14:37 <Nothing\> plus i just pooped so, you know. It was just good timing.
15:36 <steve30> Don't really know what i'd use to monitor an IP camera. Might have to see about getting a cheap video phone
18:26 <Erhard> A lot of insurance scammer in .ca, Nothing\ ?
20:44 <Nothing\> not that i know of, but you never know
20:50 <Erhard> True
21:25 <Nothing\> like i said, it's one of those things i'd rather spend the money for it and have it when i need it than not have one when i do need it and end up out a lot more money or equal amount of resources
21:44 <Erhard> Yep, like a parachute, or other tools
21:55 <Nothing\> precisely!
22:01 <Nothing\> or laxatives
22:05 <Erhard> Right
22:26 <Nothing\> ugh my rectum feels like a chemistry set up
22:59 <Nothing\> all bubbling and churning away, occasionally belching out toxic fumes
23:38 <Nothing\> it's funny, i figured out that pot cookies make for a great laxative of some sort
24:03 <Nothing\> i dunno if it's all the butter, or the fiber from the cellulose, but i suddenly became perfectly regular once i started eating them
24:10 <Nothing\> and now that i've stopped, i'm all blocked up again
24:22 <Erhard> LOL.
24:28 <Erhard> Not legal here, at least only medical
24:33 <Erhard> PLus not of much interest to me
24:42 <Nothing\> you're not missing much, tbh
25:04 <Nothing\> 90% of those chronic smokers put it up on a pedestal, including myself
25:27 <Nothing\> so they see it as being a lot better than it really is, in terms of effects, safety, medical properties, etc
25:36 <Erhard> It's agteway drug to harder stuff too. No thanks. I have seen too many people get into harder things with higher avilability of pot.
25:41 <Erhard> Anyway, the wife is calling, bll
25:43 <Erhard> bll
25:46 <Erhard> bbl even!
25:59 <Nothing\> i never got sucked into the medical thing though, right from the get go i was saying those people are just using it as an excuse to get high. Mostly.
26:05 <Nothing\> heh have a good one
27:02 <Nothing\> but yeah there are some genuine cases where the people actually needed it. Like some cases of people with status epilepticus (basically a permanent state of being in a seizure) suddenly being free of seizures after using CBD oil.
27:41 <Nothing\> it's all anecdotal right now, so pretty weak evidence. But the implications are exciting.
29:42 <Nothing\> i've also heard a bunch of stuff about how endogenous cannabinoid receptors are linked to our immune system in some way and that cannabinoids have been shown to shrink tumours. But it's hard to tell if that's true, or just propaganda.
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03:39 <Nothing\> weird
03:47 <Nothing\> new vegas just crashed on me
04:00 <Nothing\> i've played through it nearly 3 times and this is the only time it's ever done that
04:32 <Nothing\> i just tried setting one of my weapons to a quick draw slot or whatever it's called and it just went POOF
11:15 * Ampera hugs Nothing\ 
11:17 <Ampera> how are you
11:22 * Nothing\ hugs Ampera 
11:27 <Nothing\> fed up with google
11:53 <Nothing\> the stupid 2 step verification login fucked me out of my primary account
12:23 <Nothing\> cuz it's linked to my phone that just broke last week and apparently having a text message sent to your phone is the only way you can log in that way
13:09 <Halcyon> Nothing\, this is why I use a Yubikey
13:18 <Nothing\> it had some thing about recovering your account on a trusted tablet but apparently you need to be logged into that account on the tablet to do that
13:20 <Halcyon> You should also be able to generate backup codes
13:36 <Nothing\> so the last option was "help" which only gave me the option to recover my account via email
13:42 * Ampera hugs Halcyon 
13:48 <Halcyon> Hey Ampera
13:57 <Nothing\> and for some reason the recovery email it had was the same address i was trying to recover
14:06 <Nothing\> which i dunno how that happened, or why google would even let you do that
14:28 <Ampera> I think hardware cryptographic keys are the comic book character lunch boxes of this generation
14:39 <Ampera> you know whenever someone has one, they're a complete nerd
14:49 <Nothing\> but somehow i got it to send a verification code to another email address and it says it's going to send more stuff to recover my account in 2 days for security reasons
15:21 <Nothing\> but when it says it's going to recover my account that makes me think password reset
15:29 <Nothing\> which is what the wording seemed to imply
15:41 <Nothing\> it didn't say anything about changinging or disabling the 2 step verification
16:12 <Nothing\> and the even more frustrating thing is the new tablet my mum just got can take the SIM card from her phone and access the text messages that way
16:29 <Nothing\> but right out of the box, the little slot to insert the sim/sd card is broken
16:59 <Nothing\> the button to eject it is jammed in and the little thing that holds the card is stuck in the slot
17:11 <Nothing\> so i can't even do that lol
17:19 <Nothing\> like i said, murphy's law day
18:22 <Nothing\> at least my mum said she's gonna get a new phone tomorrow after she saw all the trouble i was having not being able to get her text messages and all the trouble she's been having because of it too
18:39 <Ampera> you just keep breaking shit
18:54 <Nothing\> it's like the reverse midas touch
19:27 <Nothing\> oh well, i was long overdue for one of these days. It's been a good couple of years since I've had one.
19:28 <Halcyon> Sex fingers
19:40 <Ampera> do you know what I hate
19:42 <Nothing\> I remember back when I used to have one multiple times a month
19:43 <Ampera> terminology regarding hurricanes
19:53 <Ampera> you can't just call that type of storm one thing
20:01 <Ampera> if it's too weak it's a tropical storm or a tropical depression
20:02 <Nothing\> Ampera, what about just any weather based scare mongering
20:08 <Ampera> if it's in the wrong part of the world it's a cyclone
20:17 <Ampera> how about they're all just fucking hurricanes and fuck off my lawn
20:26 <Nothing\> Ampera, no they're all called tropical cyclones i believe
20:31 <Halcyon> *shrug*
20:32 <Nothing\> that's like the catch-all term for them
20:39 <Ampera> they're hurricanes or eat my ass
20:43 <Nothing\> tropical storms, hurricanes, typhoons, etc
20:45 <Halcyon> What about a typhoon? :P
20:50 <Halcyon> Heh
21:09 <Nothing\> but actually now that you mention it i feel like cyclone is a specific thing too
21:26 <Nothing\> i think there's another name for storms formed in the indian ocean as opposed to the pacific
22:08 <Nothing\> i always wondered, if hurricanes always spin counterclockwise in the northern hemisphere
22:18 <Nothing\> what would happen if a hurricane crossed the equator?
22:30 <Nothing\> or could it even cross the equator?
23:02 <Nothing\> i'd imagine it would take an incredible amount of energy to completely reverse a hurricane's spin like that
23:06 <Nothing\> as cool as it would be
24:30 <Nothing\> i wonder if the great red spot on jupiter will disappear within our life times
24:52 <Nothing\> it's definitely possible, although it's existed for the entire 500 years or so we've been able to observe it
25:15 <Nothing\> but neptune had a similar storm, the great blue spot that eventually dissipated
26:06 <Nothing\> oh, the great dark spot
26:16 <Nothing\> the great blue spot is the auroras on jupiter or something
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32:33 <Halcyon> Yay 7.3 kW
01:09 * steve30 hugs Halcyon 
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04:32 <steve30> i need to go to tesco this morning.
04:40 <steve30> I've only been putting it off for several days
08:57 <Nothing\> yeah i've got a buncha errands i've been putting off
09:29 <Nothing\> it's hard to get anything done when you live in a little pissant city where everything's closed by 6pm and you usually sleep until 5pm
10:13 <Nothing\> thanfully i got my sleeping schedule back to a semi-normal routine
10:47 <Nothing\> i can get up at 9am and function for a few hours before i need to lie down and sleep a few more hours
11:32 * jaymax shoots icing at T3sl4 
11:35 <Nothing\> so i can still be as well rested as if i'd slept in, while having all of the benefits of getting up "early" it's great
12:22 <Nothing\> plus i always heard that's how humans are supposed to sleep naturally anyways. Sleep a few hours, up for a couple of hours, then sleep a few more hours
13:05 <Nothing\> it makes sense, that's how my sleeping schedule always seems to settle when I have no reason to control it
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17:02 <T3sl4> owo
17:02 <Halcyon> Right... pizza dough is rising. That's my work done for the day :P
17:02 <Halcyon> I'm making sourdough pizza bases
17:02 <Halcyon> Nom nom
17:02 <T3sl4> nice
17:02 <DHess_US> So that means we are on your kneed to know list.
17:02 <jaymax> D'ough you know it.
17:02 <Halcyon> :P
17:02 <Halcyon> You guys are on fire
17:02 <electrohead> DHess_US, jaymax - you guys are so cheesy
17:02 <DHess_US> At least we are not a weirdough like you.
17:02 <electrohead> I'm definitely not as weird as you :P
17:02 <T3sl4> don't think for a second you donut belong here
17:02 <electrohead> lol
17:02 <T3sl4> as sung in https://i.imgur.com/wXHUIN3.jpg
17:02 <electrohead> all of us doughnut belong here
17:02 <Halcyon> Not a fan of doughnuts
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15:27 * Halcyon sneezes at T3sl4 
15:50 * T3sl4 wet wipes Halcyon
16:18 * Halcyon flips T3sl4 the birb
16:28 <Halcyon> I need to clean my desk
16:57 <T3sl4> you've been a dirty boy
18:04 <T3sl4> https://imgur.com/gallery/ifydf
18:04 <EEVBot> [Title] - Just cause - Album on Imgur
19:04 <Halcyon> Hahaha
21:02 <Halcyon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_R-v8iKb22Y
21:03 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: Scotch Pies (the king of pies)
21:10 <Halcyon> These look delicious and really easy to make
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28:40 <Halcyon> Hey Zsjoelfir
28:55 <steve30> hi
30:34 <T3sl4> steve30: https://i.imgur.com/YzyqM0O.gif
30:41 <T3sl4> s/bat/cat/
31:15 <steve30> hehe
58:55 <Halcyon> Silly
23:21 <steve30> i bought a copy of linux format earlier
23:29 <steve30> I haven't bought a linux magazine for a few years
23:35 <Halcyon> I miss buying magazines with floppy disks on the front
23:52 <Halcyon> I wish I'd kept them from when I was younger. I used to have heaps of them.
24:14 <Halcyon> My favourite ever was one that came with a demo copy of Theme Park
25:40 <steve30> I miss MicroMart magazine
34:38 <Zsjoelfir> mornings Halcyon and all others
36:16 <Halcyon> :D
43:45 <T3sl4> Zsjoelfir!
44:03 <Zsjoelfir> thats me
45:25 <T3sl4> whoa, it is!
45:40 <Zsjoelfir> yes, most of the time
45:51 <T3sl4> oh no, an impostor!
46:04 * Zsjoelfir floats around in space
51:21 <K> hello suspenders
53:05 <T3sl4> hey big spender
53:51 <K> i'm not fat!
54:21 <T3sl4> hey lil spender
54:27 <K> yay!
54:39 <K> wait, did you just call me stingy?
54:57 <K> srsly, T3sl4, watch it with the insults
58:11 * T3sl4 stings K like a bee
59:06 <Halcyon> Hello K
59:34 <T3sl4> mmm, this red onion is pretty sweet
59:49 * T3sl4 chomps a bagel with cream cheese, onion and liverwurst
00:20 * steve30 collapses onto Halcyon 
02:49 <Halcyon> I'm organising my SRAM
05:19 <T3sl4> i normally let the compiler do that
05:29 <Halcyon> :P
05:58 <Halcyon> T3sl4, you'll know... SIMMs with little pins soldered on where the pads would normally go
05:59 <K> or gnomes
06:02 <Halcyon> What are they calleD?
06:18 <T3sl4> those are DRAM tho
06:28 <K> drama gnomes?
06:31 <Halcyon> Yes I know
06:33 <T3sl4> and, ZIP? i thought those were plain leaded chips tho
07:11 <Halcyon> The pins aren't staggered though
07:15 <Halcyon> Let me take a photo
09:04 <Halcyon> https://i.imgur.com/fMPX5qF.jpg
09:33 <T3sl4> looks custom
09:46 <Halcyon> I forget where I got them from
10:34 <T3sl4> here we go https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SIPP_memory
10:35 <EEVBot> [Title] - SIPP memory - Wikipedia
10:41 <Halcyon> That's it
10:52 <Halcyon> I've been racking my brain trying to remember what they are call
10:54 <Halcyon> *called
11:29 * steve30 coffees
12:41 <T3sl4> good idea
12:45 * Halcyon wines
14:03 * T3sl4 checks his beard for spare cream cheese and liverwurst
14:20 <T3sl4> that was nummy, and with some oregano on top
14:45 <steve30> i slept well last night, i hope i sleep well again tonight
14:52 * steve30 hasn't slept very well this last week
14:56 <T3sl4> aw
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35:49 <Halcyon> Oooh I found a CardBus SCSI adapter
35:56 <Halcyon> No idea what I'll use it for
36:29 <K> something obscene
36:38 <Halcyon> Like?
36:51 <Halcyon> Oooh I should buy a film/slide scanner
37:12 <Halcyon> I used to have a HP SCSI Scanner, it was soooo good. Very quick, even compared to todays crap USB ones
37:44 <K> i dunno, prolly something like spreading cheese on tv screen
37:55 <K> don't think it has much uses besides that
37:56 <Halcyon> Hah
37:59 <Halcyon> True
37:59 <steve30> I have a film scanner which has both SCSI and USB
38:12 <Halcyon> Oh nice Steve, which model?
38:35 <steve30> Canon FS4000
38:54 <steve30> It is very slow on USB
38:54 <K> how does it compare to the nicon one?
39:04 <Halcyon> USB 1 perhaps judging by the age?
39:09 <Halcyon> Or 1.1
39:21 <steve30> I don't have a Nikon to compare it to, but its much better than my Minolta Dimage Scan Dual
39:25 <steve30> Halcyon, yes
39:38 <Halcyon> Ahh yes
39:42 <K> i have an unnatural desire to have a nikon coolscan 4000 some day
39:47 <Halcyon> USB 1.x was slow as fuck
39:57 <K> 12Mbps
41:12 <Halcyon> Yep
42:54 <steve30> The couple who moved in next door dug out all the plants and bushes in their garden border. Now said border is full of weeds.
45:11 <EEVBot> [Twitter] - eevblog - Well that escalated quickly. I have somehow found myself looking at SNOBOL code... https://t.co/R4m3JfDtM9
47:35 <K> did they take off the power outlets and switches as well?
47:42 <K> and door handles
49:40 <T3sl4> you can't handle it, K
50:00 <K> :|
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54:19 <T3sl4> Halcyon: https://www.reddit.com/r/me_irl/comments/p9nci0/me_irl/
54:22 <EEVBot> [Title] - Me_irl : me_irl
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54:56 <Halcyon> Awwww
55:01 <Halcyon> Poor pigeons
57:13 <T3sl4> pigeons? those are clearly govt spies
57:44 <Halcyon> Whose Government?
58:59 <K> piguns
59:05 <K> #birdsarenotreal
59:23 <Halcyon> K, don't spread mistruths... it's COVID that isn't real
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01:40 <Halcyon> steve30, I'm going to make these tomorrow: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_R-v8iKb22Y
01:41 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: Scotch Pies (the king of pies)
01:45 <Halcyon> I love UK foods
03:27 <steve30> looks nice
03:37 <steve30> save one for me
05:37 <Halcyon> I'll even do it with peas, mash and gravy like a real pom
06:50 <MrMobodies> Hello
06:56 <Halcyon> Hey MrMobodies
07:05 <MrMobodies> Yesterday morning just before I went to bed
07:20 <MrMobodies> my big fan stopped and I saw the fusebox tripped
07:30 <Halcyon> Oh no
07:36 <MrMobodies> the main RCD
07:43 <Halcyon> Like a pedestal fan?
07:45 <MrMobodies> the ups kicked in and that
07:47 <MrMobodies> yes
07:51 <MrMobodies> I turned it back on and it came on fine
08:09 <MrMobodies> later that day when I switched on my old machine that does the audio stuff
08:13 <MrMobodies> it wouldn't come on
08:14 <Halcyon> I've been chasing gremlins with one of my power circuits too
08:16 <MrMobodies> the fuse blew
08:36 <MrMobodies> so I took the power supply out to inspect no damage but lots of dust in there
08:52 <K> hey Halcyon, did you sort out the elecrtricity thing?
08:58 <MrMobodies> I powered it outside with a RCD protector with a ATX tester plug and it came fine
09:11 <Halcyon> No it's tripped a couple of times since for short periods.
09:11 <MrMobodies> I wonder if the dust inside caused it to short to earth
10:01 <Halcyon> Actually question... T3sl4 is it possible for 2-prong appliances to cause a circuit breaker/RCD to trip? Even though there is no direct path to ground via an appliance ground pin?
11:04 <MrMobodies> I was cleaning a server out one day in 2015 with an air duster and I saw a flash through the vent in the power supply and a burning smell
11:07 <MrMobodies> it wasn't plugged in
11:10 <T3sl4> it needs to go to gnd somehow
11:17 <MrMobodies> I got rid of the dust and it turned on fine
11:37 <T3sl4> tho if it's also an arc fault type, that can be triggered by nuisance things
11:40 <MrMobodies> I thought dust was dry and cound't conduct
11:41 <Halcyon> That's what I thought T3sl4, but can there be another path to ground that is not via the power outlet that could cause it to trip?
11:45 <T3sl4> i forget if those are even used in houses...
11:59 <MrMobodies> it had a power ground of 440 on the atx tester
12:05 <Halcyon> I don't believe mine are arc fault types
12:07 <T3sl4> sure, the wire could be sitting in water or something idk
12:18 <MrMobodies> I did remove a cover inside that was loose
12:28 <MrMobodies> and sometimes falls and stops the fan
12:32 <MrMobodies> the glue dried out
13:42 <Halcyon> https://new.abb.com/products/2CSR255050R1204/dsn201-ac-c20-0-03
13:44 <EEVBot> [Title] -
13:45 <Halcyon> That is what I have
15:23 <MrMobodies> actually i forgot to take the picture of the inside and believe it broke down but that was when I unplugged it
15:24 <MrMobodies> https://imgur.com/a/t80QMxh
15:25 <EEVBot> [Title] - Imgur: The magic of the Internet
15:41 <Halcyon> Nice Slot 1 machine :)
16:00 <MrMobodies> aah rcd
16:13 <MrMobodies> That was in an Advent 8712
16:19 <MrMobodies> My first slot 1 in 1999
16:29 <MrMobodies> it came with a Pentium 3 450
16:34 <MrMobodies> and a Voodoo 3 graphics card
16:37 <Halcyon> Nice nice
16:39 <MrMobodies> now I just use it for audio
16:45 <Halcyon> Also T3sl4: https://imgur.com/gallery/3SUg2ei
16:45 <EEVBot> [Title] - CTRL C CTRL V - Album on Imgur
16:46 <T3sl4> Halcyon is a slut for slot 1
16:47 <MrMobodies> it had a Sparkle power supply in there
16:52 <Halcyon> I do like my Slot 1's
16:59 <Halcyon> I have a PIII-450 as well
17:03 <MrMobodies> that cpu cost me £200 in 2001
17:13 <T3sl4> Halcyon: ah, i see your lab results came in
17:14 <MrMobodies> 1ghz 1000 at 100mhz
17:28 <Halcyon> I'm not exactly sure when I bought it, but I remember the PIII-500 JUST came out and it was too expensive for me at the time
17:34 <MrMobodies> I have a bunch of old P3 and p2 in a box somewhere I have been collecting
17:53 <MrMobodies> they were selling cheap down the computer fairs at one point though in 2003 or so
18:28 <MrMobodies> but I put that power supply in about November 2013 and it was second hand on ebay
18:34 <MrMobodies> I think I got it for something like £10
18:44 <MrMobodies> the 12v rail is now 11.9v
18:54 <MrMobodies> so drop a volt since then I think
19:01 <Halcyon> Meh, still in spec
19:02 <MrMobodies> done quite well
19:22 <T3sl4> https://www.reddit.com/r/WhatsWrongWithYourDog/comments/p9p1mh/rooster_does_not_like_the_cone_of_shame_hes_been/ i've never seen a dog stare so motherfuckily before
19:23 <MrMobodies> but all it does it sits there and i pass audio through the Aztech 2320 and other sound cards
19:24 <EEVBot> [Title] - Reddit - Dive into anything
19:45 <MrMobodies> that dog looks like it is in business
19:57 <MrMobodies> "what do you want?"
20:02 <Halcyon> Bahahaha, it looks so sad T3sl4
23:16 <T3sl4> he's got a great samuel l jackson face going on
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58:44 <T3sl4> what Halcyon wishes steve30 did when he comes over https://www.reddit.com/r/AnimalsBeingBros/comments/p9gp4f/unbreakable_cute_friendship/
58:46 <EEVBot> [Title] - Unbreakable cute Friendship. : AnimalsBeingBros
00:59 <Halcyon> Hahaha
01:00 <Halcyon> Nawww
06:44 <T3sl4> (i.e., licking your dik dik)
07:13 * steve30 nibbles on T3sl4 
07:16 <Halcyon> ROFL
07:29 * T3sl4 gives steve30 a scritch
07:43 <Halcyon> Cat tounge would tickle too much
14:14 <steve30> i could have done with someone to cuddle recently
15:35 <Halcyon> Interesting, Ikea are doing solar panels and batteries now
26:07 <Halcyon> steve30, where's your blep button? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2Bhi0-GOeM
26:08 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: My mom's cat has a blep button.
26:19 * Ampera hugs Halcyon 
26:21 <Ampera> how are you guy
26:35 <Halcyon> Heya Ampera, I'm doing OK. Tired. Almost ready for bed.
26:48 <Ampera> ya laze
27:06 <Halcyon> *shrug*
27:14 <Ampera> I'm debating if I want to go to the walk in clinic today
27:19 <Halcyon> For?
27:29 <Ampera> as I've been having an allergic reaction since Friday
27:42 <Halcyon> Oh no. Like a rash or something?
27:50 <Ampera> face has all broken out in hives, and I have bumps on my arms and upper chest/neck
28:03 <Halcyon> When was the last time you changed your bed sheets?
28:04 <Ampera> the problem is it's not that bad, and it flares up/down as I take diphenhydramine
28:18 <steve30> We used to have a walk in clinic
28:27 <Ampera> December 1963, oh what a night
28:33 <Halcyon> Such a great song
28:40 <Ampera> I just slept and I'm fine, it's not that.
28:58 <Halcyon> I'm thinking like an allergy to bed bugs etc... It's quite common
29:14 <Ampera> I've never had any such allergy, and I am entirely sure I do not have bed bugs.
29:15 <Halcyon> Or dust? Also common
29:36 <Halcyon> Just because you've never had something before, doesn't mean you can't develop an allergy to something.
29:37 <Ampera> I do have a slight allergy to dust, but I am also confident that's not the cause
29:52 <Ampera> I'm aware, but considering recent evidence and my contact with dust, it's not the case
29:58 <Ampera> It's something more extreme than that.
29:58 <Halcyon> I'd expect they will do that skin prick test?
30:03 <Ampera> I'll refuse it.
30:09 <Halcyon> Then why bother going in?
30:24 <Ampera> last time this happened I had burned trees which were coated in mosquito repellent
30:26 <Halcyon> If you can't tell them the trigger and you won't let the test for triggers, then...? *shrug*
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30:39 <Halcyon> Did you do that again?
30:47 <Ampera> ended up being a bit worse than this, but they gave me steroids and epinephrine which cured it immediately
30:51 <Ampera> no
31:05 <Halcyon> Riiight, I get it
31:07 <Ampera> the question is if it's gotten worse enough for me to go do that again
31:12 <Halcyon> You want something to treat the symptoms, not find the cause
31:19 <Ampera> and it's on the edge, but not quite enough
31:32 <Ampera> no, because I am almost entirely sure that this is a freak incident, and not something that will repeat
31:55 <Ampera> since I have had almost the exact same thing before, and there was no immediate nor common incident besides burning those trees, and it never happened again until now
32:04 <steve30> on that subject, i should change my sheets
32:18 <Ampera> The less doctors do is the less I have to pay for.
32:24 <Halcyon> I had an exposure to a chemical once that caused that kind of thing. They basically said to take Promethazine and give it time.
32:36 <Halcyon> Oh I forgot you had to pay for doctors
32:39 <Halcyon> Fair enough then
32:53 <Ampera> It's complicated. I have insurance, but it doesn't necessarily cover everything
33:02 <Ampera> I also just do not like doctors.
33:13 <Halcyon> Yeh I don't bother with private health insurance. It's just not worth the cost for me.
33:26 <Ampera> This is provided by my employer
33:31 <Ampera> and is actually quite a decent plan
34:10 <Halcyon> The only thing I get done routinely that isn't free is a dental check-up/clean
34:18 <Halcyon> Which is a hell of a lot cheaper than insurance premiums
34:37 <steve30> I might go to a dentist next year
34:43 <Halcyon> I actually need to book in
34:45 <Halcyon> I'm overdue
34:46 <Ampera> I don't do any regular anything, simply because I don't want to
34:59 <Ampera> Especially during covid when it's all much more of a pain in the ass
35:03 <Halcyon> I don't think anyone *wants* to go to the dentist
35:07 <Halcyon> It's just one of those things
35:07 <Ampera> I like the dentist
35:16 <Ampera> I've always never minded going there.
36:06 <Halcyon> But yeh, if you don't want to go to the doctor Ampera, try an antihistamine first
36:14 <Halcyon> It's cheap and it either works or it doesn't
36:28 <Ampera> are you blind? I already said I was taking diphenhydramine
37:05 <Halcyon> Oh well if that's not working, you're shit out of luck
37:11 <Ampera> it is working
37:20 <Ampera> just not all the way
37:26 <Halcyon> OK...
37:26 <Ampera> so I'm wondering if it is actually going to go away on its own
37:34 <Halcyon> *shrug*
37:36 <Halcyon> Depends on the cause
37:57 <Ampera> The only cause I can think is getting water containing laundry detergent, vinegar, and general sewage on my body
38:12 <Ampera> I might have brushed my face with it while working on the washing machine
38:18 <Halcyon> Quite possibly
38:28 <Ampera> it was also quite hot and humid up there, so my pores would have been much more open to it
38:44 <Halcyon> And if its only been since Friday, then give it another day or two
38:54 <Ampera> Besides that, there is no unusual interactions I can think of, and my common allergens have not been more significant with their typical symptoms
39:22 <Halcyon> I had a reaction to flux cleaner getting in my gloves at work. Took a good week for it to go back to normal
39:28 <Ampera> if anything, because of all the diphenhydramine, I have no typical allergen symptoms besides the hives and bumps
39:50 <Ampera> By the end of the last time this happened it got bad enough that my eyes were beginning to close up
39:59 <Ampera> which is when I went to the ER, since the clinic would refuse to treat me
40:09 <Halcyon> Yeh so you've probably touched your face at some point, same thing happened to me.
40:16 <Halcyon> Just not as bad. I was definitely puffy though
40:24 <Ampera> I'm not puffy
40:33 <Halcyon> You said your eyes were closing up?
40:43 <Ampera> Last time I never touched my face
40:49 <Ampera> but I got quite close to the fire
41:05 <Halcyon> OK... my point was, the allergen ended up on your face
41:14 <Halcyon> Either through touching it or aerosol
41:37 <Ampera> I never disputed that, I simply said I am not puffy now
41:50 <Halcyon> OK
42:02 <Ampera> There's been mild inflammation on my face, but aspirin has largely taken care of that
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42:42 <Ampera> in other news I've just finished my first ever project in PHP
43:00 <Ampera> here's a small excerpt that I think is pretty cool: https://pastebin.com/EDNeCUak
43:02 <EEVBot> [Title] - exec("bash -c 'KEY=\$(openssl rand -base64 32);tar c{$tvb}f - /snapshots/{$sna - Pastebin.com
43:22 <Halcyon> I'm not a programmer, so it doesn't mean much to me
43:25 <Ampera> It's a backup utility, intended to run off a crontab
43:33 <Ampera> this part isn't programming, it's simple bash
43:41 <Halcyon> Scripting/programming
43:43 <Halcyon> Same thing
43:52 <Halcyon> You still need to understand the language and syntax
43:53 <Ampera> I thought you used Linux
43:55 <Halcyon> I do
43:57 <Ampera> this is just commands
44:00 <Halcyon> Do I know everything about it? Nope
44:04 <Ampera> quite easy to follow too
44:09 <Ampera> it's also cryptography
44:25 <Halcyon> I've used DOS and Windows since it came out and I don't know everything about that either.
45:10 <Ampera> It's quite simple. I want to archive, compress, encrypt, and upload to S3 the contents of a ZFS snapshot
45:19 <Halcyon> Cool
45:32 <Ampera> I want to use asymmetric encryption, so the decryption key is never stored on the server, but RSA is not capable of encrypting anything larger than the size of they key (aiui)
46:03 <Ampera> the first command stores a random 128 bit string of base64 into a bash variable
46:42 <Ampera> then I archive and compress the snapshot with tar and zstd, encrypt it with symmetrically with the random key, encrypt the random key asymmetrically, and then upload both file and key to S3
49:46 <Halcyon> I should get to bed. Hope you feel better soon Ampera.
49:59 <Ampera> No you don't, but thanks for the sentiment anyways.
50:06 <Halcyon> I mean what I say
50:27 <Halcyon> I don't waste time or effort pretending
50:27 <Ampera> if only you said what you mean
50:34 <Halcyon> Too busy with other shit
50:53 * Ampera attacks Halcyon with a banana shit sundae
51:08 <Halcyon> With roasted peanuts?
51:21 <Ampera> pistachios
51:28 <Halcyon> Even better
39:12 <+electrohead> o/
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40:25 * Ampera hugs electrohead 
40:30 <Ampera> how are you doing
44:35 <+electrohead> shitty, you?
50:50 <K> he's doin' a shitty!
51:58 <T3sl4> shitty shitty bang bang?
52:07 <T3sl4> also, morn/
52:46 <Ampera> electrohead, woozy
52:55 <Ampera> diphenhydramine and caffeine is an interesting combination
53:14 <Ampera> I'm not drowsy, but I am woozy
53:39 * T3sl4 hugs Ampera, hypoallergenically
53:57 * Ampera flakes dried skin onto T3sl4 in appreciation
55:01 <+electrohead> morning, T3sl4
55:44 * T3sl4 gently collects the flakes with a bowl, pours milk over them
56:26 <Ampera> Do you no longer wish to masturbate? Maybe that's what Kellogg needed. Skin flakes, not corn flake
56:27 <Ampera> s
57:02 <T3sl4> you may be onto something!
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