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07:32 <Ysjoelfir> I'm going home. cu then
07:55 Quit: Ysjoelfir ([email protected]) Connection closed
02:20 <rust_collector> hey allthepeople!!!
06:23 <K> oh no, it's him again
07:17 <rust_collector> told you, you should have killed me last year
07:39 <K> dang.
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22:51 <rust_collector> Lemon, those oscillator thingies? do you have anything that is not 10...MHZ, was it?
29:20 <Lemon> no rusty only 10Mhz thingies sadly
39:20 <steve30> hello
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05:53 <rust_collector> ok
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12:05 <Nothing\> ye god
12:17 <Nothing\> i just looked up how much it would cost for a full set of dental implants
12:22 <Nothing\> $96,000 :o
12:54 <Nothing\> or $5,000 just for the ones i need, plus an $1100 crown, plus probably several morecrowns
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13:44 <Nothing\> somehow paying $96k to have somebody drill screws into my jaw bone doesn't seem right
14:17 <Nothing\> hey rust_collector how you doing?
14:33 <rust_collector> hey-o
14:48 <Nothing\> working on anything new and/or interesting?
14:53 <rust_collector> eeh, I am awesome as always. a little bit annoying, I guess
15:05 <Nothing\> yeah? how come?
15:42 <rust_collector> well, you know... being so perfect can make others feel less ok
16:24 <rust_collector> but... I can not help it.
16:43 <rust_collector> it was my first day back at work, after 2 weeks off
16:51 <rust_collector> that was great!
19:00 <rust_collector> uhm, how did they come up with that price?
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20:31 * Ampera smacks Nothing\ with a hug
20:50 <Nothing\> i just looked up the cost of implants in alberta without injsurance
21:05 <rust_collector> Oh, you mean canadian dollars. ok. that makes sense
21:06 <Ampera> breast implants?
21:13 <Nothing\> heya Ampera <3
21:15 <rust_collector> you can get it cheaper
21:20 * Nothing\ gives Ampera a big hug
21:24 <Nothing\> Ampera, dental implants
21:35 <Nothing\> a full set costs $96k
21:38 <rust_collector> he will jook like jaws
21:38 <Nothing\> apparently
21:47 <Ampera> https://twitter.com/Ampera_/status/1266425626493411328
21:51 <Ampera> I got a new laptop
21:57 <Ampera> My Pinebook Pro came in
21:59 <Ampera> it's really nice so far
22:09 <Nothing\> oooh beauty
22:16 <Nothing\> i got $1400 saved up for a computer
22:17 <rust_collector> well, I think, if you go ask someone who does that, they will give you a much lower price
22:22 * Ysjoelfir hugs Ampera, pats Nothing\ and hands rust_collector a bucket of Sjokade
22:29 * Nothing\ hugs Ysjoelfir <3
22:45 <rust_collector> HAH! you said you was nearly empty!!!
22:49 <Nothing\> Ysjoelfir, what's the origin of your name, it looks norse
22:59 <Nothing\> it reminds me of ygdrasil
23:04 <Ysjoelfir> nearly. I just gave you the remaining teeny tiny bits.
23:15 <Ysjoelfir> Hah, Nothing\, you nailed it :D
23:32 <Ysjoelfir> you want the short version or the slightly longer?
23:39 <rust_collector> the teeny tiny bucket. ok
23:52 <Ampera> teeny tiny tits?
23:58 <Ampera> that's a shame
24:03 <Ampera> suppose some breast implants would help with that.
24:05 <Ysjoelfir> my tits are a bit more than tiny, sadly
24:15 <Ampera> I'm jealous.
24:28 <Nothing\> Ysjoelfir, nice, what's it mean? lifetree?
24:48 <rust_collector> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zB7fJb_PPQ
24:48 <Nothing\> the slightly slonger version would be perferable
25:07 <Nothing\> Ampera, you like teeny tiny tits?
25:23 <Nothing\> i was never a big fan of huge tits myself, aything over a B cup seemed overkill
25:34 <Nothing\> large B, small C
25:40 <Ampera> I like moderately large ones
25:46 <Ampera> not a fan of tiny or super sized
26:09 <Nothing\> man, this cat is really taking it out of me
26:11 <rust_collector> as long as they are boob shaped....
26:20 <Nothing\> it's like watching a fucking toddler constantly
26:30 <Nothing\> he likes to chew on live wires
26:52 <Nothing\> or he'll climb to the top of my patio's screen door in a second or two
27:58 <Nothing\> he gets in these moods where he'll just claw and bite the shit out of me
28:26 <Nothing\> i try to give him a toy to show him that's what's proper to do that to, but sometimes he still keeps doing it
28:50 <Nothing\> in twhich case i give him a brief time out in the bathroom with no toys
29:45 <rust_collector> where do you keep your toilet paper?
30:08 <coppice> in the cupboard. use a bidet
30:43 <Nothing\> rust_collector, actually he LOVES used cardboard TP rolls and such
30:51 <rust_collector> Well, same idea. I think a cat could have hours of fun with a bidet
30:53 <Nothing\> i loves a lot of weird toys
30:57 <Nothing\> he loves peanuts
31:23 <Nothing\> or pieces of paper
31:34 <Nothing\> or paper bags
32:06 <Ysjoelfir> ok. first: It doesn't have a particular meaning. I needed a new username as my original webname I choose way back then in 200.....1 IIRC. My name was Pimok, which, as I found out, was also a swear word in a city not too far from where I lived, meaning basically something like "wog" (according to the online dictionary). So I searched for a new name, thought about unsing standard words, names, whatnot, but decided that I want somethign that is
32:06 <Ysjoelfir> pretty unique and should point only to myself. I thought about what I like. Back then I already started being interested in norse mythology, liking the names, the mythical figures and so on. To make it "unique" I started using random letters (basically bashing the keyboard) until I found something that could be altered to something you could more or less easily pronounce, but also sounds a bit nordish. IIRC it was something like xsjlopfr. I
32:06 <Ysjoelfir> played around a bit with it, thought about yggdrasil, so changed the X to a Y, looked old nordish names up, found that some places were called with a -fir as an ending and so on. I even wanted to exchange the o with an Ø but figured that it would be too much hassle to type that every time I wanted to log into a website, so I opted for oe, and so on.
32:30 <Nothing\> or kleenex, but i'm worried he'll chew o,ff pieces arnd eat them and get a bowel obstruction
32:54 <Nothing\> lol Ysjoelfir @ swear word
33:22 <Nothing\> ah cool
33:25 <Nothing\> so i wasn't far off
33:32 <Nothing\> neato burrito :)
33:33 <Ysjoelfir> yeah. in collogne there is "pimmok". which I found out when I visited a convention in collogne and introduced myself to the guys as "Hi, I'm the Pimok"
33:46 <Nothing\> what part of the world ar eyou from?
34:14 <Ysjoelfir> germany, original from the Ruhrgebiet, atm in frankfurt but want to go back to "home". or even further up
34:28 <Nothing\> right on, my mom was born in germany
34:32 <rust_collector> greenland
34:41 <Nothing\> i have family in tiefenbrahn sp?
34:48 <Nothing\> braun
36:06 <Ysjoelfir> you mean Tiefenbrunn?
37:15 <Nothing\> yeah that sounds right
37:21 <Nothing\> relatively small community
37:43 <Nothing\> my uncle harald works or worked in the porsche plant
38:12 <Nothing\> always posting videos of vacations and such
38:20 <rust_collector> heh, that has to be a long time ago. germany is almost one big village now
39:18 <Nothing\> https://i.imgur.com/P5Q8HdL.jpg
39:25 <Nothing\> there's the little monster
39:53 <rust_collector> yes, there it is. pure evil
40:34 <steve30> Meow :D
44:20 <Nothing\> https://i.imgur.com/RnrEX9O.jpg
44:30 <Nothing\> that's just one of the lesser injuries he's given me
44:38 <rust_collector> yes, sure...
44:46 <Nothing\> man it was funny
45:04 <Nothing\> i was watching this found footage movie about a family being abducted my asiers the other night
45:20 <Nothing\> and it scared the shit out of him
46:07 <Nothing\> he was real jumpy, back arched, yeowling, atacking anything at nothing in particular
47:28 <Ysjoelfir> sounds like a cat. :D
47:32 <Nothing\> i dunno if it was the mood of the movie or if it was the screaming and arguing between characters or what, but it really freaeh him out
47:51 <Nothing\> i've never had cats that really cared about tv
48:14 <Ysjoelfir> we have one that always tries to catch stuff that moves on the TV
48:26 <rust_collector> maybe tit was the sound of 1000 tormented cats screaming, that they used as a sound effect
48:54 <Nothing\> yeah mine'salways trying to catch the mouse cursor
49:46 <Nothing\> man i've been playing these assembly programming games a lot lately
51:19 <Nothing\> bloody helly i need coffee
51:30 <Nothing\> let's see if i can figure out this damned tassimo my mom got
53:12 <Nothing\> apparently not, can't figure out where the hell she put the pods
53:15 <Nothing\> :/
53:20 <Nothing\> son of a diddler
53:42 <Nothing\> didder being child molester for those who don't know
54:26 <Nothing\> you know, since getting this cat, i haven't been able to do anything with electronics, math, or physics or anything scientific at all. it makes me feel bad
54:51 <steve30> Teach the cat how to solder
55:10 <Nothing\> lol i tried making a 555 timer with a buzzer, but he didn't care
55:27 <Nothing\> maybe i should make a circuit with an actual premade buzzer, those things are loud and violent
56:06 <Nothing\> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hV48vUPLLi4
56:16 <Nothing\> as evidenced by my "everything's okay alarm"
57:50 <Nothing\> aha! found the coffee pods
57:52 <rust_collector> the chrysler air raid siren?
58:01 <Nothing\> lol that's about it, huh?
58:39 <Nothing\> it's even worse when i put the buzzer on a solid surface cuz it'll vibrate violently against it and make even more noise
59:20 <Nothing\> man i can never remember if it's R1 or R2 i make 10kohm to get closer to a duty cycle of 50
59:36 <Nothing\> damn those tassimos are fast, my coffee's already done
06:03 <Lemon> waddup thug
07:31 * Ampera squeezes Lemon 
07:47 <Ampera> Less than 2 hours before I'm done with work
08:02 <Lemon> courage
09:01 <Nothing\> heya Lemon
09:08 * Nothing\ gives Lemon a big hug <3
09:14 <Nothing\> what's up bro?
09:15 <Lemon> awww
09:33 <Lemon> ho well, still fiddling with stuff :>
10:06 <Nothing\> heh i'm making a piezo buzzer connected to a 555 in astable mode to confuse my cat with
10:09 <Nothing\> hopefully
10:57 <Lemon> hooo I have a thing like this, where to turn it on you put your finger on two prongs, and it varies in frequency, as the resistance isnt the same from person to persons
11:05 <Lemon> makes kids laugh
11:07 <Nothing\> well i think the buzzer's pooched
11:08 <Lemon> adults too well
11:23 <Nothing\> that's pretty neat
11:39 <Lemon> probably the same circuit as yours :>
11:40 <Nothing\> i made a buzzer whose frequency dependened on light a long while back
11:56 <Lemon> 555 are funny !
12:00 <Lemon> I bought those capshttps://www.ebay.fr/itm/350V-0-1-uF-0-05uF-100000pf-50000pF-variat-SILVER-MICA-SSG-2-CAPACITORS/254335269822?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&var=553873979542&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649
12:04 <Lemon> ups
12:05 <Lemon> https://www.ebay.fr/itm/350V-0-1-uF-0-05uF-100000pf-50000pF-variat-SILVER-MICA-SSG-2-CAPACITORS/254335269822?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&var=553873979542&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649
12:06 <Nothing\> nah mine uses one of those pre-made buzzers with all the circuitry needed for the buzzer in it
12:11 <Lemon> a few different ones
12:30 <Nothing\> i couldn't get much volume using a regular piezo speaker
12:47 <Lemon> ha yeah its faint
12:53 <Lemon> those caps are ultra stable
13:03 <Lemon> I want to use them as standards, and have fun characterize them
13:56 <Lemon> but ima bit poor
14:01 <Lemon> I spent too much on stuff like this lately
14:24 <Lemon> theres still a thing I want, same type of caps, but 0.3% 10nf ones, ten of them for 30 euros delivered
14:33 <Nothing\> test the accuracy of LCR meters ith it
14:49 <Nothing\> just had to give kitty a time out cuz he kept biting my toes and wouldn't take to his toys
14:56 <Lemon> yeah I just have a chinese xjw01
15:03 <Lemon> its supposed to be 0.3% accurate
15:29 <Lemon> freaking cats
15:35 <Lemon> we rescued one more a week ago
15:37 <Nothing\> usually when he gets bitey i try to get him to bit ehis toys but if he consistently bites me, i lock him in the bathroom for 5-20 mins to get him to calm dowtn
15:44 <Lemon> poor thing came home with her uterus hanging out
16:08 <Nothing\> i heard :( how's she doing? you get her medical help?
16:25 <Nothing\> pooc kitty cat :(
16:30 <Nothing\> *poor
16:36 <Lemon> hmmm locking them out isnt a good idea, the best way (to simulate her mother) is to take them by the skin back of their head, and put them aside, saying NO or whatever
16:49 <Lemon> yeah the vet saved her
17:04 <Lemon> 350 euros, he helped us on that one, still a lot but ho well
17:06 <Nothing\> that's awesome, i'm glad to hear that
17:17 <Lemon> we cant let a cat or anything die like this
17:18 <Nothing\> that's okay, i just lookde into getting implants for my teeth
17:25 <Nothing\> a full set costs $96k
17:48 <Nothing\> i'm really glad your kitteh's alright though
17:57 <Nothing\> it's awfulwhen something bad happens to your kitteh
18:12 <Nothing\> a lot of peopl edon't realize it's like something happening to a family member
18:45 <Nothing\> but yeah as for the time out in the bathroom thing
18:46 <Lemon> yeah people probably left her out when they saw that
18:55 <Nothing\> i reda that liter mates will ignore a cat if they get too bitey
18:57 <Lemon> ha teeth... its around 2k a teeth here
19:02 <Nothing\> so i fiured that was the next best thing
19:12 <Lemon> what a shame for a country where you arent supposed to pay for medication
19:36 <Nothing\> well i'm in canada, so medicine is free, just not medication or dental
19:50 <Lemon> ha yeah, here dental used to be almost free
19:53 <Nothing\> but i have insurance through disability but it only covers so much
19:55 <Lemon> but they changed something
20:13 <Nothing\> it cozers fillings and root canals, thank god, but that's it
20:18 <Nothing\> and dentures i think
20:33 <Lemon> now they cover it only for ultra bad quality implants
20:34 <Nothing\> but i've heard some eleasent stories about denturies
20:39 <Lemon> which most dentist wont do
21:18 <Nothing\> i have a phobia as it is so i need sedation with clonazepam and nitrous oxide for any work
21:39 <Lemon> ha I can understand it :/
21:52 <Lemon> I dont like it either usually if its for removal I get sedated
22:10 <Nothing\> when i was 3 i man getting a filling but the anesthetic didn't take, so i felt everything they did, but they took my squirming and whining in pain as being a typical whiney toddler and just kept working away
22:20 <Nothing\> ever since then i've been traimatized
24:01 <Lemon> these fuckers... the same hapenned to my mother
25:02 <Nothing\> yeah, then after that their solution to helping me with my anxiety was to have 3 or 4 poeple force me down into the chair and the dentast ded the work while i was being held down
25:10 <Nothing\> it was very much like i imagine rape is like
25:19 <Nothing\> not to trivialize rape, of corse
25:37 <Nothing\> which i don't get, considering nitrous oxide was perfectly viable
25:50 <Lemon> no I understand it
26:09 <Lemon> my mother got the same issue, she need a ton of stuff to get sedated
26:14 <Lemon> and most of the time they dont believe her
26:15 <Nothing\> or sedatives like valium
26:28 <Lemon> and im kinda the same too
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31:01 <Nothing\> lol my cat likes coffee
31:09 <Nothing\> he also likes pomegranate juice
31:20 <Lemon> dont give him coffee!
31:31 <Nothing\> lol i just gave him a sip to see if he likes it
31:35 <Nothing\> i know he shouldn't have it
31:53 <Lemon> take care with that :/ sometimes even the slightest sip can be really bad
31:55 <Nothing\> oooooh thunderstorm
31:57 <Lemon> like essential oils
32:05 <Lemon> never, ever put them on a pet
32:14 <Lemon> even a drop can kill them in a few minutes
32:40 <Lemon> coffe likely wont
32:48 <Nothing\> i know the theobromine in chocolate can be toxic
32:58 <Lemon> yes especially for dogs
32:59 <Nothing\> yeah coffee isn't terribly concentrated
33:13 <Nothing\> but yeah concentrated essential oils, ican see that
33:13 <Lemon> but essential oils is ultra toxic for them
33:32 <Lemon> it goes through their skin to their nerve system and kill them
33:50 <Lemon> even if they lick your hands and you have some lavander or whatever on it you can kill them
33:53 <Nothing\> rofl when my cat's bad, i make loud raspberry noises at him and it scares him enough to make him stop
34:51 <Nothing\> i take a drug called noopept which comes as a pure drug and in humans a dose is like 5-15mg, i'm always super areful about washing any surfaces it comes into contact with and washing my hands
35:07 <Lemon> yeah thats a good thing to do
35:10 <Lemon> same for tobacco
35:12 <Nothing\> it's not a very dangerous drug, tolerated really well by mammals, but still i'd rather not take any chances
35:17 <Lemon> when you roll a cigarette or whatever
35:27 <Nothing\> yeah i do the same for ecig juice
36:49 <Nothing\> i've read countless anecdotes of cats getting into ashtray garbage only to overdose from eating a couple of cigarette butts
37:05 <Nothing\> fucking cat just bit the shit out of my feet
37:14 <Nothing\> he's in one of his moods again
37:57 <Nothing\> i remember reading one anecdote about a teenager who smoked pot and couldn't find any one day, so he decided to make tea out of 3 whole cigarettes
38:04 <Nothing\> it was enough to put him in the hospital
38:24 <Nothing\> oral tobacco is so much stronger than inhaled
38:27 <Lemon> thats what they were doing during world wars to avoid being called
38:37 <Nothing\> what, to fake illness?
38:42 <Lemon> yeah
38:45 <Nothing\> ick
38:57 <Nothing\> nicotine poisoning is a miserable experience
39:02 <Nothing\> such severe nausea
39:12 <Nothing\> and i've only had what i would call mild poisoning
39:15 <Lemon> yeah I once tried the 'eat half a cig to avoid class'
39:20 <Lemon> wasnt my brightest idea
39:41 <Nothing\> lol i once tried to drink tap water i smuggled in from a trip to cuba
39:47 <Nothing\> nothing resulted from it :/
39:50 <Lemon> ayeee
39:58 <Ampera> What do they do for chewing tobacco though?
40:02 <Ampera> Is it a less poisonous version?
40:03 <Nothing\> i also ate milk that was so expired, it was a jelly type consistency
40:09 <Lemon> I guess its the same
40:11 <Nothing\> Ampera, they don't swallow it
40:12 <Lemon> haaa
40:15 <Ampera> It's never good when you say you eat milk.
40:18 <Lemon> yes 'tabac a chiquer'
40:21 <Lemon> idk the english name
40:21 <Ampera> Nothing\ true.
40:23 <Lemon> but yeah you spit it
40:36 <Nothing\> they just let the juices sit in their mouth and the nicotine absorbs into the buccal artery
40:52 <Nothing\> i just never understood snus, which i actually like quite a bit
41:30 <Nothing\> snus is like a steam cured chewing tobacco in pouches that you put between your cheak and gums, but you can swallow the juices with no problem
41:37 <Nothing\> it's nice, it tastes vaguely like tea
41:57 <Nothing\> expenisev though, at $22 per tin of ~20 or so pouches
41:59 <Lemon> its like a poweder ?
42:02 <Lemon> poweder
42:07 <Lemon> powder ffs
42:09 <Ampera> I've never smoked or even touched tobacco in my life, but I've had really fucking bizzare dreams about wanting to smoke
42:10 <Nothing\> it's a powder that's inside pouches
42:13 <Ampera> and I have absolutely no clue why
42:22 <Lemon> we got that type too, in small round boxes
42:28 <Lemon> good thing ampera
42:30 <Lemon> its useless af
42:35 <Ampera> Agreed.
42:48 <Nothing\> Ampera, i've been having a lot of dreams about smoking pot lately, even though i haven't smoked since october nor have i had an urge to smoke since
42:51 <rust_collector> well, just buy it without bags
42:58 <Ampera> Yeah but I've never smoked
43:05 <Nothing\> Ampera, well don't
43:15 <Nothing\> honestly, of all the drugs i've used and been addicted to
43:24 <Lemon> I do make a lot of dreams where I got to free parties, take street h and all sort of things
43:31 <Lemon> but thats normal according to doc
43:37 <Nothing\> nicotine has hands down been the most difficult to get off of
43:37 <Lemon> I still somewhat miss the effects
45:02 <Nothing\> i had a really weird dream last night where i went to various pot shops and they had all kinds of different novel methodes of ingesting THC and one shop had these living creatures that were like a cross between yoda and a sack person from that PSP game i forget the name of
45:25 <Nothing\> and for some reason you couldn't kill them so i was beating the crap out of one of them
45:54 <Nothing\> then next thing i knew i was bending it over and unzipping my pants getting ready to have my way with it when i woke up lol
45:59 <Nothing\> i have no idea why
46:17 <Nothing\> they were only like a foot tall
46:19 <Lemon> some dreams should be untold xd
46:24 <Nothing\> and stuffed with weed
46:27 <Nothing\> lol indeed
46:43 <Nothing\> i had this really bizarre dream the other night (non-sexual i promise)
46:56 <Nothing\> it was the 80's and some kid was accidentally shot and killed
47:17 <Nothing\> and i was so so upset about it, i wandered around a sobbed uncontrollably over it for a time before i woke up
47:26 <Nothing\> but when i woke up, my face was covered in tears
47:34 <Nothing\> so i was sleep-crying
47:39 <Nothing\> which i didn't know was a thing
48:00 <Nothing\> i've laughed in my sleep, i've farted in my sleep, but never cried in my sleep
48:03 <Lemon> it is definitively a thing yes
48:15 <Lemon> I even threw up in my sleep lol
48:19 <rust_collector> at least you did not walk over to your closet, and pee in a shelf of underwear
48:25 <Lemon> and almost drowned in it
48:28 <Lemon> and I wasnt drunk
48:37 <Lemon> lol rusty
48:43 <Lemon> shit happens I guess
48:59 <Nothing\> Lemon, that's dangerous, you can choke to death of it if you're on your back
49:01 <Lemon> puking in the bed and swimming in it wasnt that great either
49:09 <Lemon> I was on my belly
49:15 <Nothing\> i had a cat piss on my head while i slept once
49:16 <Lemon> even better, face down in it
49:44 <Nothing\> the cat was in heat and walking around my head at 2am
50:24 <Nothing\> next thing i know i feel this warm wet feeling and reazide the little bastard just pissed on my head
51:43 <Nothing\> i think this buzzer's pooched
51:51 <rust_collector> at least you did not wake up with a small brown turban
51:54 <Nothing\> it'll only buzz for a second and then it stops entirely
51:58 <Nothing\> haha true enouh
52:20 <Nothing\> i should convince my mom to go to the surplus store to get more buzzers
52:38 <Nothing\> i got free rent this month so i have some spending money :D
52:43 <Nothing\> plus my mom owes me $300
53:17 <Nothing\> ugh i gotta go put cortisone on these cat scratches, they're all itchy
54:12 <Lemon> I need to find money
54:59 <rust_collector> cortisone is bad
56:49 <Nothing\> rust_collector, how come?
57:07 <Nothing\> as long as you use a thin layer, the risk of side effects are minimal with topical use
57:54 <rust_collector> well, it is effective, and yes, not a huge issue on the skin, but.. no. stay away if you can.
58:13 <Nothing\> how come?
58:46 <Lemon> rusty said it
58:56 <Lemon> rusty is the truth incarnated
59:04 <rust_collector> well, there is that
59:07 <Lemon> excepted when he's wrong
59:35 <Nothing\> i have cream that's a mix of cortisone and ketoconozole for a condition called seborrheic dermatitis, it works wonders for the condition and is the only thing i've ever found that actually helps it
00:19 <Nothing\> basically it casuse me to have red itchy spots that eventually turn scaley and flake off disgustingly
00:33 <Nothing\> it can get really gross when the affected areas get big
00:36 <rust_collector> nah, do what you want, but it does mess up tissues here and there, so I just try to not use it, if I do not really have to.
01:04 <Nothing\> well yeah, i only use it less than once a week, so not too often
01:11 <Nothing\> but yeah, only when i need to
01:30 <Nothing\> mostly i use ketoconazole shampoo on its own without the cortisone if i can
01:37 <Nothing\> like for washing my hair and my face
01:58 <Nothing\> man, you guys ever play any programming video games?
02:33 <rust_collector> not me
02:40 <Nothing\> shenzhen io, TIS
02:44 <Nothing\> -100
02:50 <Nothing\> altera 256
03:15 <Nothing\> they're really fun, you use assembly language programming to solve puzzles
03:34 <Nothing\> the only down side is you have to read like 20-100 pages of documentation before you can play lol
04:00 <Nothing\> i figure with that much work, i might as well continue my efforts at learning x86 asm
04:35 <Nothing\> but holy shit, compared to z80 or 6502, 8086 is soooo fucking complex
06:07 <Nothing\> the tutorial for the 8086 emulator i have (emu8086) is ridiculous. it goes from explaining what binary and hexadecimal are, then the first example program uses interrupt routines and shit for VGA output
06:37 <Nothing\> it took me years before i could figure it out and that's only after experience with other less complex CPUs
07:39 <Ampera> My 1TB SSD seems to work
08:01 <Nothing\> i still don't quite understand interrupts except that they're a sort of subroutine to do something specific and have something to do with storing a a stack pointer or something so you can return to where you left off before the interrupt, i have no friggin clue
08:13 <Ampera> Nope
08:15 <Nothing\> then you get interrupt vectors and non-maskable interrupts
08:19 <Ampera> Interrupts are quite simple
08:28 <Ampera> There are two types of interrupts (sort of), hardware and software
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08:50 <Nothing\> i just need a simple resource to explain them for me
08:53 <Ampera> Whenever you fire an interrupt, of either type, the CPU will get, well, interrupted, and immediately jump to the pointer stored in the IVT for that interrupt
09:08 <Nothing\> ypup that much i understand, except for IVT
09:12 <Nothing\> what's IVT
09:13 <Ampera> Hardware interrupts are triggered by physical hardware, and can be all sorts of stuff.
09:19 <Ampera> The IVT is in the first, uh, I forget how much memory
09:22 <Ampera> but it's right at the start of memory
09:23 <Nothing\> interupt vector something
09:28 <Ampera> Interrupt Vector Table
09:32 <Nothing\> ah, right
09:41 <Nothing\> what makes it a vector though?
09:47 <Ampera> and from INT 0x00 to however many virtual interrupts the 8086 supports, you have a pointer
09:54 <Ampera> vector is another word for pointer
09:55 <Ampera> sort of
10:00 <Nothing\> ah okay
10:17 <Nothing\> yeha see the emu8086 has hardware specific interrupts
10:26 <Ampera> NMI's are a type of interrupts that can't be masked
10:43 <Ampera> when you mask interrupts, you effectively disable them, so the CPU will no longer jump to that code when it's fired
10:59 <Nothing\> what's masking though?
11:02 <Ampera> however these interrupt will always fire no matter what, usually for debug or CPU error purposes.
11:08 <Ampera> masking is disabling the interrupt
11:10 <Nothing\> oh okay, i think i get it
11:15 <Lemon> https://www.ebay.fr/itm/10000pF-0-01uf-350V-0-3-SSG-1-Silver-Mica-Capacitors-NOS-MILITARY-USSR-LOT-10p/232949758466 I want dis
11:39 <Nothing\> Lemon, that's right up yoru alley S)
11:43 <Nothing\> er :)
11:53 <Lemon> they look neat :>
12:28 <Nothing\> Ampera, i got a disassembled copy of the source code for the original NES super mario bros so it's really helped me understand some assembly
12:44 <Nothing\> although the first few hundred lines is just defining labels
13:06 <Ampera> Assembly differs quite dramatically between CPUs
13:12 <Ampera> like, incredibly
13:18 <Nothing\> https://gist.github.com/1wErt3r/4048722
13:25 <Nothing\> Ampera, oh it does absolutely
13:32 <Nothing\> but the core ideas are still there
14:22 <Ampera> oh man this laptop is so cool
14:25 <Nothing\> i was using this to learn 6502 for a brief time: https://skilldrick.github.io/easy6502/
14:26 <Ampera> it's got 1TB of NVMe storage
14:37 <Nothing\> it's an online 6502 assembler in java
14:49 <Ampera> If you want a good, soft assembly to learn, 68k is awesome
14:56 <Nothing\> but i was severely disillusioned when i learned it didn't support interrupts
15:02 <Ampera> It's like tinker toys compared to 8086
15:09 <Nothing\> nah i'm determined to learn 8086
15:13 <Ampera> mhm, some CPUs just don't have them
15:14 * T3sl4 hugs Nothing\
15:20 * Nothing\ hugs T3sl4 
15:25 <Nothing\> hey buddy, how goes it?
15:33 <Ampera> 8086 is a mess, but it's a mess that has a lot of usable applications
15:36 <T3sl4> good, just made some falafel
15:38 <Nothing\> Ampera, you recommend a good 6800 assembler?
15:41 <Ampera> if you can learn 8086 assembly you can learn almost anything
15:43 <Ampera> 6800?
15:48 <Nothing\> 680000
15:53 <Nothing\> you know what i mean
15:54 <T3sl4> 6800 is basically 6502
15:54 <Ampera> bruh
15:57 <Ampera> ^
16:02 <Nothing\> ah
16:07 <T3sl4> 6809 is kinda neat tho, i guess
16:07 <Ampera> easy68k is the popular one I believe
16:15 <Nothing\> i'll check it otu, thanks
16:22 <Ampera> I haven't used it in ages though
16:24 <T3sl4> would also suggest AVR, you'll have it on any AVR arudino platform for example
16:42 <Nothing\> oooh Ampera
16:46 <Nothing\> i love the gui on this
16:49 <T3sl4> pretty verbose as it's a load-store arch but it has tons of registers and is pretty orthogonal
16:57 <Nothing\> it reminds me of the gui on mcu8051
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33:55 <Lemon> hmm as I have a nice arb function gen, and two good 6.5 dmms that can measure resistance precisely, I think my best bet is to build a capacitance bridge
34:00 <Lemon> if I want to measure my caps accurately
34:06 <Lemon> but I'll need at least one good known cap
37:13 <Lemon> I have tons of good resistors on the way
39:35 <Lemon> I can apply a quite precise ac voltage, with the siglent gen
39:45 <Lemon> I can tie the gpsdo to it, for precise frequency
39:55 <Lemon> and I can always measure the output voltage with a dmm and correct it
40:21 <Lemon> I just need a really well calibrated cap, and maybe a second so I can measure it and see if its right
41:02 <DHess_US> With voltage and resistance you can make a calibrated current. With a calibrated current and time you can measure capacitance.
41:23 <Lemon> hmmmmmmmm
41:48 <Lemon> right now, I have a well within can hp 3456a, a fluke 8502a, a siglent 1032X with a bg7tbl gpsdo as its input ref
42:17 <Lemon> im about to get various resistors, some nice low tempco 0.1%, old russian ones, a 0.005% 1k vishay one, etc
42:20 <Lemon> and ssg caps
42:26 <Lemon> what do you think I can achieve with that ?
42:33 <Lemon> better than a chinese lcr meter, right ?
42:44 <Lemon> (im glad you answered btw)
43:08 <Lemon> I just want to measure some capacitors accurately
43:15 <Lemon> I know it varies depending on frequency
43:22 <Lemon> but I guess it doesnt matter much
43:25 <Lemon> as I can change that
44:56 <Lemon> do you think I could measure capacitance within say, 100ppm ? which is 0.01% if im right ?
49:45 <DHess_US> Another way I would consider is frequency and resistance while measuring phase.
50:01 <Lemon> but the big question
50:04 <DHess_US> Since phase is a time measurement, it can be very accurate and precise and it can be integrated.
50:21 <Lemon> with that equipement, if I use it right, can I achieve that goal ?
50:37 <DHess_US> So make an RC circuit and adjust the frequency to roughly 45 degrees of phase lag and then measure the the phase to find the capacitance.
51:42 <Lemon> because if I can only achieve what my chinese lcr meter can, thats not really worth it
51:46 <DHess_US> Another way might be to make a gyrator to convert a precision capacitor to an inductor and then use that to make a resonate circuit.
51:55 <Lemon> but I kinda think I can do better
52:13 <Lemon> well the two first methods sounds already nice to try !
52:19 <T3sl4> though you need quite a bit of GBW to do that at much frequency
52:33 <Lemon> but really DHess_US, what do you think about the accuracy I can achieve ? do you have any rough idea ?
52:42 <Lemon> gbw ?
52:51 <T3sl4> gain-bandwidth
53:07 <Lemon> hmmm how much would I need ?
53:16 <Lemon> I thought about using the siglent, but idk if its enough
53:42 <Lemon> I think it can produce 20 Vpp max, at somewhat high frequencies
53:53 <DHess_US> I think the accuracy will be limited by the non-ideal capacitor under test like series resistance (bridge circuits can ignore this) and dielectric absorption.
53:55 <Lemon> im mostly interested by caps under 1 uf
54:29 <Lemon> ok, but I have a hard time representing me this
54:35 <DHess_US> But a bridge circuit is limited by accuracy of the reference capacitor.
54:50 <Lemon> the chinese xjw01 I have got an accuracy of supposedly 0.3%
55:12 <Lemon> but you said earlier, that I can measure capacitance with voltage, resistance and time
55:17 <T3sl4> capacitors aren't particularly accurate, but it also isn't very useful to measure capacitors accurately
55:21 <Lemon> so I can later use that cap as a ref no ?
55:30 <Lemon> ho its not about the usefulness
55:48 <Lemon> I just want to be able to measure them precisely, the more I can in fact
56:02 <DHess_US> I like the reference current and slope of charge method, sort of like an integrated converter which measures its own integration capacitance and not a variable input current or voltage.
56:31 <DHess_US> I think it should be possible to cancel out errors like charge injection and leakage.
56:58 <Lemon> well I'd like to not buy expensive equipement to do that, what I have at my dispotion is the two 6.5 dmms mentionned earlier, the siglent 30Mhz arbitrary gen, various psus and decent scopes
57:11 <Lemon> also that gpsdo and a hp counter
57:44 <DHess_US> I guess that could get you to 20k counts of accuracy with a good capacitor so 1 part in 20,000 or 0.005%.
58:10 <Lemon> thats incredible
58:15 <DHess_US> beyond that dielectric absorption would have to be calibrated out somehow.
58:18 <Lemon> I'd be happy with even less
58:34 <DHess_US> That assumes you can generate a reference current which is that accurate.
58:40 <Lemon> if I use that current/time method you mentionned to measure a nice silver mica cap thats pretty stable
58:45 <Lemon> I can use it as a reference later, right ?
58:51 <DHess_US> yes
59:01 <Lemon> so with my dmms
59:10 <Lemon> I can produce a reference current somehow
59:13 <Lemon> well calibrate it
59:17 <Lemon> hmmmm
59:23 <Lemon> how can I do that
59:31 <Lemon> I need a resistor, a known one
59:40 <Lemon> no problem about that
59:46 <DHess_US> Some of it might depend on how good of a sampler you can make which implies a sampler with compensation for charge injection. The sampled measurement can be integrated.
00:09 <Lemon> I dont understand that last sentence sadly
00:31 <DHess_US> You sample the voltage across the capacitor at two different known times so you have the difference in voltage over time.
00:31 <rust_collector> good night people
00:38 <Lemon> night rusty
00:48 <Lemon> hmmmm alright
00:52 <Lemon> that sounds hard to do
01:02 <DHess_US> An integrating converter uses comparators to do that, and maybe comparators would be good enough.
01:52 <DHess_US> But precision comparators are kind of weird. I think samplers would be easier to remove various errors.
02:30 <Lemon> I really have limited knowledge in that area, but a great will to learn and experiment
02:37 <DHess_US> There has to be a way to make a better integrated measurement.
02:38 <Lemon> the thing is, I cant spend a lot of money on that project
03:28 <Lemon> but basically as you said, the ref cap limits the accuracy
03:39 <Lemon> so if I manage to get the value of that cap to a 0.01% accuracy
03:46 <Lemon> the accuracy of my bridge will be that, right ?
04:04 <Lemon> and the hardest part is to measure the ref cap
04:05 <T3sl4> DHess_US: time domain works for well-behaved capacitors, but it's not a great method for measuring the steady state AC variety
04:10 <Lemon> once I have it, it shouldnt be hard no ?
04:35 <DHess_US> T3sl4, on the other hand I'm not sure capacitance has as much meaning for poorly behaved capacitors.
05:04 <Lemon> im mostly interested by measuring some stable cap, like silver mica ones, polystyrene, NP0 etc
05:13 <Lemon> having a way to measure them accurately is nice
05:23 <DHess_US> When I measure electrolytics on my impedance bridge, I can literally see the different time constants. Which one is correct?
05:31 <Lemon> I can measure frequency, voltage, resistance, current etc so I want to do the same for capacitance
06:43 <T3sl4> DHess_US: all of them; in general, capacitance is a function of frequency or other time (or other non-LTI) dependency, so needs to be plotted to be meaningful
06:58 <T3sl4> a "well behaved" capacitor is simply a flat enough curve for a given application
07:00 <DHess_US> But that is at one frequency.
07:31 <T3sl4> but if you're talking ppm farads, even a very good capacitor will be poorly behaved and has to be characterized in the same way
07:34 <DHess_US> There are multiple answers for the capacitance because it can be modelled as several different capacitors with different series resistances in parallel.
07:58 <DHess_US> That's why I said 1 part in 20,000 for a "good" capacitor.
07:58 <T3sl4> well, for a lumped equivalent yes
08:28 <DHess_US> For a good capacitor, I'm not sure capacitance more accurate than 1 part in 20,000 has significant meaning.
09:12 <Lemon> some peeps on eevblog measured those old SSG russian caps
09:22 <Lemon> and some were more stable than his genrad ref caps !
09:35 <DHess_US> 1 part in 20,000 is about the point where the best integrating capacitors cause 0.005% error in dual-slope integrating converters.
09:36 <Lemon> so I figured that it could be a nice 'poor man' reference
10:15 <Lemon> measuring them and cherry picking them sounds like a fun game for me
10:43 <T3sl4> right, you need to know the capacitor much better than that if you're doing a ppm, ppb even, multislope conv
11:26 <Lemon> but thanks anyway that gives me hope :>
11:36 <Lemon> lcr bridges are too expensive for me
11:44 <DHess_US> Better converters use some variation of run-up or run-down to make the integrated charge much larger than the charge stored in the capacitor reducing those errors.
11:49 <Lemon> so if I can build something thats dope
12:26 <DHess_US> But the capacitor still has those errors of like 1 part in 20,000. They are just divided over a much larger integration span.
13:50 <Lemon> so DHess_US once I got my ref cap measured
13:56 <Lemon> the hard work is basically done ?
14:06 <Lemon> I just have to build a bridge to measure others ?
14:11 <DHess_US> Sure, after that you can make an impedance bridge and test anything.
14:18 <Lemon> ok !
14:25 <Lemon> so for example
14:34 <Lemon> I get that 0.3% cap, and assume its 0.3% or better
14:44 <Lemon> the accuracy of my bridge will be minimum that, right ?
15:09 <DHess_US> Of course an impedance bridge requires precision resistors and precision variable resistors. And it needs a precision frequency source and a tuned meter to measure the output.
15:29 <Lemon> yeah for resistors I can measure them
15:34 <Lemon> precision freq source too
15:48 <DHess_US> Yes, the reference capacitor is what limits the performance.
15:58 <Lemon> alright ! thats good news
17:00 <Lemon> I mostly want to measure caps under what, 10 or 1 uf
17:29 <Lemon> https://www.ebay.fr/itm/10000pF-0-01uf-350V-0-3-SSG-1-Silver-Mica-Capacitors-NOS-MILITARY-USSR-LOT-10p/232949758466
17:35 <Lemon> I was talking about those
20:24 <Lemon> I have some variable mecanical caps that I salvaged
20:28 <Lemon> they are quite big
20:42 <Lemon> I wonder how stable are those, I read somewhere that air caps are top there
22:13 <T3sl4> eh, the tempco is the linear expansion coefficient of the materials they're made from
22:45 <T3sl4> hm, i forget offhand if ambient barometric pressure and humidity has a stronger effect
23:08 <Lemon> I should build a barometer
24:00 <T3sl4> i should build a bar
30:13 <Lemon> https://www.ebay.fr/itm/General-Radio-Genrad-1657-RLC-Digibridge-LCR-Meter/114187653137?hash=item1a961d5011:g:2OYAAOSwNBlelqvH
30:17 <Lemon> it seems cheap
32:41 <Lemon> 0.2% accuracy
32:53 <Lemon> if I understood DHess_US I can achieve much better
32:59 <Lemon> for capacitance, at least
34:54 <Lemon> https://www.ebay.fr/itm/GENRAD-GENERAL-RADIO-STANDARD-CAPACITOR-1409-M/382622386172?hash=item59161247fc:g:xEUAAOSw9EJZuRj3
35:16 <Lemon> general radio stuff is so nice
38:32 <DHess_US> real instruments have to operate over long time spans and temperature ranges.
39:05 <Lemon> yeah I guess thats why they state a conservative accuracy
39:10 <Lemon> but as a one-off measurement
39:15 <Lemon> as you said, I can achieve better, right ?
39:28 <Lemon> even if its not as convenient as a plug and play system
52:42 <Lemon> well, time to sleep, thanks for everything im going to read more on this tommorow !
52:44 <Lemon> bye peeps :>
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01:13 <Ampera> call in like 10 minutes?
01:27 <Halcyon> Yeh sure
01:30 <Ampera> brb
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19:41 <Halcyon> :D
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22:32 * T3sl4 puts it on his head 
22:36 <T3sl4> it's a crown, after all
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11:28 <Nothing\> man i just bought 10 1in by 4mm neodiddlium magnets, these things are surprisingly strong when you put them together
11:43 <Nothing\> i already drew blood pinching myself between 2 stacks of 5
12:09 <T3sl4> only surprising if you've never hurt yourself with them before
12:21 <Nothing\> couldn't imagine getting one of those hockey puck sized ones they sell on chinese websites
12:25 <T3sl4> which reminds me, i hear they taste really good
12:34 <Nothing\> T3sl4, well i have, but not to the the point where i've drawn blood
12:38 <Nothing\> lol really?
12:56 <Nothing\> do you remember those old children's books from the 80's with the gold spines?
13:13 <Nothing\> i used to chew on the spines of those when i was little cuz i liked the metallic taste
13:21 <T3sl4> huh
13:24 <Nothing\> in retrospect it was probably lead since it was the 80's
14:23 <T3sl4> nah, that'd be 70s and earlier
14:39 <Nothing\> you know, Ampera after doing some reading, i was reminded that the 68k is what the sega genesis ran on, so it just might be more practical than i thought
14:46 <T3sl4> but rly, magnets are infamous for causing GI injury
14:58 <T3sl4> also, don't stick chains of magnets up your urethra, for the same reason
15:06 <Nothing\> oh yeah, that's why they took those zen magnets off the market
15:16 <Nothing\> which is a shame cuz i always wanted them
15:25 <Nothing\> or i guess they were originally called buckey balls
16:16 <Nothing\> they still make knockoffs but a lot of them have really loose tolerances which don't make them come together very evenly when making things out of them
17:34 <Nothing\> but yeah, i remember reading a lot of news stories of kids who ate them and then they'd come together from different parts of the GI tract and pinch the intestines and case internal inuries, on top of getting stuck
17:48 <Nothing\> very nasty sounding stuff
18:40 <Nothing\> these magnets i got, putting 2 stacks of 5 on my hand is almost painful with how hard they attract one another
18:54 <Nothing\> on either side of my hand
19:26 <Nothing\> aww the kitty's having a dream about suckling
19:37 <T3sl4> 1.5T is equivalent to a few atm of pressure
20:08 <Nothing\> he seems to act out his dreams an awful lot. sometimes he'll even have his eyes open and i can see him looking at stuff in his dreams or watch his eyes move rapidly. it's real creepy.
20:48 <Nothing\> i'm not even sure what these come in at, i'd love to invest in a tesla/gaussmeter but they're a couple hundred bucks
21:20 <Nothing\> i got some viewing film though, but that tells me nothing quantitatively
21:50 <Nothing\> still neat to play with though
22:32 <Nothing\> i had an idea for a viewing film for electric fields using a similar mechanism, but it seems somebody beat me to the punch
22:44 <T3sl4> you'll typically measure 0.6-0.8T at the surface, about half the total magnetization because it's in free air not a closed magnetic path
23:45 <Nothing\> yeah, you know that's why they used to make magnets horseshoe shaped, was so you'd get more of a closed path and the strongest flux would be right between the two poles
25:03 <Nothing\> it blew my mind when i first learned about magnetic circuits. found out about them from an applied science video about magnets that was superb in every sense of the word
26:04 <Nothing\> that channel's got some great videos, but lately i find the videos just haven't been as good. the last one was about making holograms on chocolate
28:12 <Nothing\> actually i guess some of the latest ones have been pretty neat, like how they made the timestamp on video tape recorders, or making sparks with alpha radiation emitters
29:04 <T3sl4> he's always doing cool stuff, just some of it more niche than others
29:24 <Nothing\> yeah, i guess looking back on the newer ones, it's more hit or miss for me
30:23 <Nothing\> actually i haven't checked out nurdrage in a good while, i should do that
35:24 <Nothing\> there's this one channel i found a while ago called thought emporium. they did a video about these "negative ion" emitting jeweleries you can buy on ebay which are made primarily of alpha emitters. it's scary to think a lay person can buy something like thta as a damn health product online.
36:11 <Nothing\> reminds me of the radium infusing water fountains and radiation based health products of the early 20th century. you'd think peoplewould know better by know. but apparently not. :/
37:42 <T3sl4> yeah
03:10 <Nothing\> hrm, the 68k had 68,000 transistors... coincidence?
03:15 <coppice> Nothing\: alpha is pretty harmless
04:10 <Nothing\> coppice, they say it is, but there was a video i saw showing that some alpha particles are able to get an appreciable amount of penetration
04:28 <coppice> alpha is just helium ions
04:51 <Nothing\> but in some of these products, the alpha emitter is thorium dioxide powder in a tube which is pretty flimsy and easy to open, so not very safe
05:21 <Nothing\> considering how easy contamination would be and hence ingestion or inhalation
05:44 <coppice> negative ion devices for the home used to be really popular. I wonder why they faded out?
06:27 <Nothing\> not to mention calling an alpha emitter a negative ion generator is kind of dumb
06:38 <Nothing\> i think ebay banned them, actually
06:51 <Nothing\> and a lot of the companies selling them stopped once they realized what they actually were
07:22 <Nothing\> here, i'll link to the thought emporium video about them. which btw is a great channel in itself
07:50 <Nothing\> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7TwBUxxIC0
08:25 <Nothing\> he does a lot of stuff with biology, lke growing human neurons and interfacing them with a computer
08:52 <Nothing\> or treating his lactose intolerance by engineering a virus to encode for the lactase enzyme in his GI tract
09:32 <Nothing\> or engineering yeast to make spider silk
10:47 <T3sl4> which apparently has mostly worn off, but it lasted a good year or so which is amazing
10:58 <Nothing\> yeah it lasted a good while
12:14 <Nothing\> usually i hate peolpe who just experiment on themselves ike that all wily nilly, but he actually seems to have thought it out and doesn't try to make it flashy for the sake of garenering attention like many self-biohackers do
14:36 <T3sl4> yeah, between risky and dumb, but also not all that dumb being that it's a relatively simple kind of thing, and a well known methodology
15:22 <Nothing\> although i did frown on his his magnetic implant video, i just can't abide by those types of videos
15:56 <Nothing\> there's no good reason for it and usually the coating the put on it is flimsy and liable to degrade over time
16:08 <Nothing\> plus it's hard to watch :o
16:47 <T3sl4> personally i'd be more worried that the plating is usually nickel, fine for mechanical things but noticeably not biocompatible
16:52 <Nothing\> i dunno what happened to me, i used to be able to watch vasectomy videos on TV when i was like 9 or 10 but i've just lost my stomach for it
17:15 <Nothing\> nickle is notorious for causing contact dermatitis
17:34 <coppice> I guess you lack the balls for that stuff
17:48 <Nothing\> coppice, apparently my balls have shrunk lol
18:33 <Nothing\> man, i almost passed out while i was watching my daughter being born
19:06 <coppice> watching my daughter being born was easy, but then I wasn't the one in pain
19:36 <Nothing\> but i guess watching fluids shoot literally 5-6 feet out of your wife and then having a bucket stuck under her to catch all of the blood, shit and other fluids that come out, then cutting her from ass to vag would do that to a man
20:01 <Nothing\> for me it was more seeing those things happen to the woman i loved than seeing the things themselves
20:42 <Nothing\> especially the epesiotomy, i dunno if your wife got one but man that was unpleasant
20:43 <coppice> watching the doctor pump the fluids out of wifey by pressing her abdomen was kinda weird
21:28 <Nothing\> mine was induced, so they broke the amniotic sack with this knitting needle thing and the first time she pushed, the fluids shot out far enough to douse one of the poor nurses
21:44 <coppice> that bit when you from "how does a baby get through there?" to "oh, like that" is interesting
22:29 <Nothing\> for me, it was horrifying
22:44 <Nothing\> which is odd because i usually love medicine type stuff
23:05 <Nothing\> but again, when it comes to it happening to a loved one, it's another story
23:38 <Nothing\> how old is your kid btw, coppice?
23:48 <coppice> 20 and 22
23:48 <Nothing\> mine will be 17 in october :o
23:54 <Nothing\> right on
25:13 <Nothing\> given the custody battles i went through, and subsequently having her turned against me by her mother in my absence to whereshe identified her step dad as her father and me as just some guy, i'm glad i stopped at one
25:49 <coppice> I should have stopped at zero
26:53 <Nothing\> i wound up voluntarily leaving her life as she wanted nothing to do with me and i figured it was in her best interest if i left her life while leaving the possibility of her coming back into it if she wanted
27:22 <Nothing\> the way i see it, if you love somebody, you have to be willing to do anything for them. even if it means letting go.
27:35 <Nothing\> it was hard, but i've come to terms with it
28:54 <Nothing\> and her step dad's actually a pretty good guy, nice upstanding member of society, hard worker, devout christian, instilled positive morals and values in her so he's done a better job than i ever could have
29:41 <Nothing\> but yeah, we never shoulda had her, but it was an accident due to the whole "it could never happen to me" mentality
30:52 <Nothing\> it's funny cuz my brother and his fiance were of the same mindset, and i told them they'd be pregnant with twins within the month
30:57 <Nothing\> sure enough, they were
31:39 <Nothing\> ah well, such is life. right?
32:17 <Nothing\> i'm glad things worked out better for you, though. for what it's worth.
33:32 <coppice> It didn't. being a parent is my biggest regret in life
36:07 <Nothing\> i'm sorry to hear that :(
37:02 <Nothing\> but at the very least, i'm sure you've done a lot of learning and growing as a result of your experience. so at least it wasn't in vain
37:30 <Nothing\> so hopefully, there's at least that silver lining
38:36 <Nothing\> i know my own experiences forced me to mature and caused me to become a stronger and wiser person than i ever would have been otherwise
50:37 <coppice> parenthood is nothing but regret
57:27 * Halcyon noms on spicy noodles
53:56 <Halcyon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYNBdCwRCyQ
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45:50 <Lemon> hmmm I noticed that on the resistance mode, I get only 5.5 digits with the 3456a
46:01 <Lemon> even when setting the 6 digits mode
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00:43 <Ysjoelfir> Hi all
00:47 <Ysjoelfir> *Hello all
01:14 * Ysjoelfir coughs Hello hello hello hello mr EEVBlog bot you don't want to break my five day strike, want you?
01:22 <Ysjoelfir> hrmpf
01:35 * Ysjoelfir slaps EEVBlog with Amperas sausage
01:54 <Lemon> hi hi
01:58 <Lemon> Hello
01:58 <EEVBlog> Hello there, Lemon!
02:02 <Lemon> :>:>:>
02:22 * Ysjoelfir grabs EEVBlog and slaps lemon with it
04:48 <Ysjoelfir> so, all of the sudden DHL decided to announce that they realy want to deliver my scanner and my watch today instead of tuesday
04:54 <Ysjoelfir> If that is true I would be happy
05:37 <Lemon> thats good news
17:35 <Ysjoelfir> IU'm still not entirely convinced yet, as the DHL courier has usually been here at this time
46:22 <Lemon> well if it comes today, thats neat but if its tuesday, you expected it anyway
47:34 <Lemon> so dhess told me something interesting yesterday
48:01 <Lemon> that if I can measure a resistance and a voltage accurately, I can make a precision current, and if I can also measure frequency, I can measure capacitance
48:13 <Lemon> and once I get a reference cap, I can make a bridge to measure others
50:01 <Ysjoelfir> I bought it last sunday FFS, i wanted it way earlier than today :D
50:22 <Lemon> heh well
50:31 <Lemon> corona I guess !
50:37 <Ysjoelfir> yes, thats true (what DHess_US said) - well, I would be quite irritated if something he sais would be wrong.
51:22 <Ysjoelfir> fuck corona, everyone here is like "nah, it'll be fine, lets just go around and hug everyone!!!", so don't tell me that bullshit excuse^^
51:45 <Lemon> ho its just here to piss us off :>
51:57 <Lemon> about what I said with capacitors
52:06 <Lemon> do you know anything in that area ? :>
52:43 <Ysjoelfir> what realy pisses me off is not the virus itself, but 1) the politicians going apeshit and basically changing directions every third day, 2) stupid companies like DHL and amazon using it as an excuse to just fuck shit up
52:57 <coppice> Ysjoelfir: most British people are naturally inclined to socially distance themselves, but tell them its necessary and suddenly they want to be near people
53:14 <Ysjoelfir> regarding the cap - well, what do you need to know?
53:16 <Lemon> and yet I paid 20 euros to get a 15kg parcel delivered in two days from germany
53:24 <Lemon> well about what he said
53:38 <Lemon> to measure somehow a first cap and use it as a reference, to later build a bridge
53:42 <Ysjoelfir> cpüüoce: aren't the british known for their love to stand in lines?
53:46 <Lemon> with current/frequency whatever
53:50 <Lemon> I didnt understood how
54:09 <Ysjoelfir> what did you not understand?
54:24 <Lemon> well, how to measure it ? :>
54:33 <Ysjoelfir> the capacitance?
54:42 <Lemon> getting a precision current ok, with a known resistor and voltage
54:48 <coppice> Ysjoelfir: yes, queuing is a British things. That's mouths breathing against someone else's back, and no social contact between them. Not the most infectious setup
54:49 <Lemon> but the part about current/frequency etc
54:52 <Lemon> I didnt understood
56:01 <coppice> Ysjoelfir: Do you know what they call someone in the UK who starts a conversion with a stranger? A foreigner.
56:24 <Ysjoelfir> hehe coppice :D I like that one
57:08 <Ysjoelfir> Lemon - well, you know that the capacity of a capacitor is also a frequency dependant resistance, right?
57:26 <Lemon> not totally thts the part I need some easy explaination :>
57:50 <Ysjoelfir> (that sentence sounded way less dumb in german... as capacity and capacitor aren't that simmilar words as they are in english...)
58:01 <Ysjoelfir> ok, let me try to explain it simple
58:22 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: 5:22am for the SpaceX launch? *groan* https://t.co/NKo5kllLMQ
58:46 <Ysjoelfir> the frequency dependant resistance of a capacitor, called reactance, is defined as Xc = 1/(2*pi*f*C)
59:12 <Ysjoelfir> f is the frequency in Hertz, C the capacitance in Farads
59:18 <Ysjoelfir> pi is pi
00:14 <Ysjoelfir> so if you solve that for C, know the current, the frequency and measure the voltage drop over the cap you can calculate capacitance
00:41 <Lemon> hmmmm
01:26 <Lemon> so with my two nice 6.5 dmms, my hp counter tied to a gpsdo, my arb gen also tied to the gpsdo, I can measure that capacitor accurately right ?
01:39 <Lemon> but I cant wrap my head around on how
01:43 <Ysjoelfir> you should be able to do that, yes
01:44 <Lemon> like, first step second step etc
02:51 <Ysjoelfir> I need to go back to cleaning the apartment, so I can't explain it in detail right now. maybe this evening, if noone could help you until then :)
03:09 <Lemon> argg you are teasing me ! :P its ok thanks buddy
03:13 <Lemon> im going to read about it
03:23 <Lemon> if you know any pdf or keywords I should type
03:27 <Lemon> I'll be grateful !
08:37 <Ysjoelfir> take a look at reactance, Xc
09:01 <Lemon> ok ! thanks, once I have a known stable cap, I'll build an impedance bridge
09:10 <Lemon> and hopefully I'll be able to measure other caps accurately :>
09:21 <Lemon> because lcr bridges/meter are out of budget
09:37 <Lemon> I did found a gr 1657 digibridge for 250 euros delivered
09:45 <Lemon> it seems to be in good state
09:55 <Lemon> but even it got only 0.2% accuracy
17:32 <Ysjoelfir> https://www.electronics-tutorials.ws/filter/filter_1.html
17:56 <Ysjoelfir> just found that in a bookmark, looks kind of promising for your idea
17:59 <Lemon> thanks dude :>
19:08 <Lemon> also, on the 3456a, do you remember that on resistance mode you miss a digit ?
19:12 <Lemon> no matter the setting
19:31 <Lemon> if I do the 6 - store- n dig display
19:44 <Lemon> I still get 5.5 digits, unlike voltage mode where I got 6.5
19:26 <rust_collector> mornings
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44:53 <rust_collector> oiioooo Lemon
45:01 <rust_collector> what is todays thing?
56:21 <Ampera> today's thing is what to eat
57:30 * T3sl4 squeezes a Lemon
58:45 <rust_collector> well, it is pizza day...
07:20 <coppice> its the lunch time pizza the day
14:19 <Lord_of_nothing> Hi
14:31 <Lord_of_nothing> does anyone have a downlink freq for the today start?
30:15 <Ysjoelfir> exactly rusty! Time for a nice Lørdagspizza!
37:16 <rust_collector> coffee is ready. good times
37:42 * Ysjoelfir is opting for Yuzu Tea
37:52 <Ysjoelfir> I need a new jar, I'll run out tomorrow!
38:36 <rust_collector> still working on your hipsterness then.. did you get your wall clock yet?
39:25 <Ysjoelfir> heh. Na, I just enjoy it and try to form a habbit of drinking tea and water instead of cola. works reasonably well yet
39:42 <Ysjoelfir> the clock is on its way, supposedly to be delivered today
39:44 <Ysjoelfir> I doubt it though
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47:50 <Ysjoelfir> lol. Watch just arrived.
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