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01:52 <hsn93> im hangry
02:14 <rust_collector> good
04:25 <Ysjoelfir> I'm depressed and will go home soon
04:45 <rust_collector> I am just perfect
07:09 <hsn93> Ysjoelfir how is upwork ?
07:27 <coppice> insurance quote systems are bizarre. Change my daughter from a provisional driver to a qualified driver when the car insurance is renewed, add 273 pounds. That seems a bit much for a small car when there is already one young driver on the policy, but OK. Remove her entirely, add 70 pounds. WTF?
08:01 <Ysjoelfir> waiting for some responses to my applications, hsn93.
08:06 <Ysjoelfir> coppice - that sounds.... wrong?^^
08:25 <hsn93> didnt u talked to one client before on phone
08:46 <hsn93> that small thing he wanted that takes one month
09:09 <Ysjoelfir> yes. its still... lets say..... waiting to get started.
09:21 <Ysjoelfir> they don't really know what they want and who should do it and so on
12:35 <hsn93> it looks like its my company ^ xD
12:46 <Ysjoelfir> hehe
13:02 <Ysjoelfir> however, I think I'm leaving work now. cu maybe later guys
13:13 <hsn93> cu
13:16 <hsn93> tc
13:20 <Ysjoelfir> u2
13:23 Quit: Ysjoelfir ([email protected]) Quit: Farvel og har en hyggelige tid :)
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16:53 <Ysjoelfir> re
17:31 <rust_collector> oh hey you. I was just looking for your next job, lol
20:57 <rust_collector> Ysjoelfir, I guess you are not very into programming microcontrollers?
22:32 <Ysjoelfir> nice :) regarding µICs, well.. nah. don't really like it. I like more the hardware design aspect of it.
22:46 <Ampera> I am very hunger
22:50 <Ampera> I wonder what I will lunch
23:07 <Ysjoelfir> btw, don't know if you were there when I wrote it, the volvo is went through inspection without any problem
23:15 * Ysjoelfir hands Ampera some of his cake
23:21 * Ampera oms cake
23:44 <rust_collector> well, there is one place, they make gyros and stuff. but it does involve some stm32 firmware writing and testing
24:15 * Ampera oms rust_collector's gyro
24:49 <rust_collector> it was the company that made airbag crash sensors work ok, and not be super expensive, btw
27:08 Quit: qeed ([email protected]) Client exited
27:49 <rust_collector> automation things? is that something?
28:36 <Ysjoelfir> depends on the task, but yes
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29:14 <rust_collector> https://www.finn.no/job/fulltime/ad.html?finnkode=169063248
35:17 <rust_collector> https://www.finn.no/job/fulltime/ad.html?finnkode=170238608
35:33 <Ysjoelfir> should be possible, but I think most companies have a problem with my norsk skills being not fluent :D
35:46 <rust_collector> maybe
35:55 <rust_collector> well, cern is still looking...
36:29 <Ysjoelfir> the second one sounds even more interesting.
36:40 <Ysjoelfir> But I mean, hey, at least I try to learn it? :D
36:57 <Ysjoelfir> cern... you think I want to create a black hole? :D
37:17 <rust_collector> maybe they made a black hole, and need someone to plug it?
40:30 <Ysjoelfir> that could be the case
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41:10 <rust_collector> that would be cool, to have a black hole in a bottle. keep the lid on...
42:24 <Ysjoelfir> yeah. someone is going on your nerves - flopp, gone
42:51 Quit: hsn93 ([email protected]) Ping timeout: 121 seconds
51:56 <rust_collector> I don't get things today... you need "at least" a bachelors degree, and your work is to program plc or pls, or what they call it.
52:52 <Ysjoelfir> don't forget the 15 years of work experience and that you shoule please be 18 at max
54:00 <rust_collector> I should find my manual, for the plc thing. i got training and all. it took about an hour or two, iIrc
54:18 <rust_collector> that system was super outdated even back then
55:47 <Ysjoelfir> as long as it's not being programmed in COBOL it's not outdated :P
57:39 <rust_collector> it is programmed by..pushing a button, to get into programming mode, button to select which number you want to change, button, then you button until you got the correct number, then button to store, then button to go to the other number you have to change, button, then button
58:20 <Ysjoelfir> that sounds pretty easy
58:27 <rust_collector> and it needed to at around 20c
58:33 <rust_collector> yes, it is very easy
59:02 <rust_collector> just that you have to button until lunch, just to set a few values
00:05 <rust_collector> it had an odometer sort of counter, and you buttoned until it was at the value you wanted. if you got it wrong, you are pushing the button allllll the way around
01:04 <Ysjoelfir> have fun :D
02:01 <rust_collector> I am pretty sure you could just hook it up to a computer, but... we didn't have one, lol
03:29 <rust_collector> heh, we kept out food in the plc cabinet, because if we left it on the floor, it would freeze. what a crap machine that was
09:12 <rust_collector> ok, so the volga is ready for more abuse. do you test every year?
11:02 <rust_collector> or is it like here, every 2 years?
11:04 <K> river abuse is not a joke!
11:26 <rust_collector> it is a bit late to think about that now, isn't it?
12:02 <K> the thought disgusts me.
14:43 <rust_collector> https://twitter.com/DevinWildmusic/status/1256214464774447105
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35:04 <rust_collector> oh no! you just missed the party here
35:09 <Lemon> awww
35:12 <Lemon> what happenned ?
35:26 <rust_collector> uuh, we had a party...
35:44 <Lemon> some beer left I hope ?
35:45 <rust_collector> but now it is too late.
36:12 <rust_collector> nope, there is a reason why people disappeared
36:25 <Lemon> well np
36:33 <Lemon> I came back with some ice cream
36:38 <Lemon> and a 4m gpib cable
36:39 <rust_collector> YAAY!
36:57 <Lemon> and rusty im seriously poor
37:00 <Lemon> I spent too much
37:19 <rust_collector> well... eeeeh, erffpp
37:33 <Lemon> I bought some nice capacitor tho
37:40 <rust_collector> it is what happens
37:46 <Lemon> and I had a great idea
37:52 <rust_collector> oh no
37:52 <Lemon> that im going to try, well just in part
38:24 <Lemon> I thought, for a ultra accurate decade box, about replacing each resistor with a 20 turns bourns pot, those tiny one with screws, it would take time to adjust everything as tight as possible but imagine
38:34 <Lemon> you'll end with the most accurate box ever
38:37 <Lemon> for not that much money
38:49 <rust_collector> well, it will work, but..
39:31 <Lemon> but what
39:32 <Lemon> WHAT
39:37 <rust_collector> well, we will see, right? RIIIGHT???
39:58 <Lemon> so I bought for 10-12 euros of bourns 22 turns pots, 500kx2, 100k, 50k, 1k, 100r and 20r
40:04 <rust_collector> should be fine
40:07 <Lemon> just to dial a precise value and see if it stays that way
40:21 <Lemon> I think my next project is a controlled box, which act as an oven and a cooler
40:35 <Lemon> with peltier modules it should be doable
40:40 <Lemon> or at least an oven
41:05 <rust_collector> heating things are pretty simple, at least if you have time
41:21 <rust_collector> I am not that sure about the cooling
41:39 <Lemon> yeah I'll just use resistors, or peltier for heating
41:41 <Lemon> and forget cooling
41:45 <Lemon> its just to see a variation
42:11 <rust_collector> just put the heater box in the freezer.
42:29 <Lemon> well I dont have much space, and condensation will kill the deal
42:51 <rust_collector> well, condensation is what peltier elements do best...
43:05 <Lemon> yeah that why I'll stick with heating only
43:11 <Lemon> using simply resistors maybe ?
43:13 <Lemon> what would you do ?
43:49 <rust_collector> i would use the wire or element from a hairdryer, because I do not have much hair anyway, and I have thise things
44:54 <Lemon> hmmmm I have one but use it :>
45:02 <Lemon> im a long haired mofo
45:48 <rust_collector> hippie
46:06 <Lemon> mexican gangster
46:14 <Lemon> or prophet, whatever
47:44 <Lemon> but yeah a controlled oven would be great
48:12 <rust_collector> so, x to 150c?
48:19 <Lemon> ho no no
48:23 <Lemon> I dont want to bake things
48:31 <rust_collector> are you sure?
48:34 <Lemon> yes
48:37 <rust_collector> make a muffin!
48:45 <Lemon> I have a real oven for that
48:51 <Lemon> no maybe what, 60-80C max ?
49:04 <Lemon> 60C is already a 40C delta
49:10 <Lemon> which is more than enough to see
49:18 <rust_collector> I mean, if you make a box like that, it is just a setting in software, or a thermostat
50:42 <rust_collector> the heating wires will be just fine, even if they are nice and red. which is a lot more than a few hundred degrees.
51:15 <Lemon> well I already have a nice thermometer, convenient heh ?
51:24 <Lemon> so for a box I see people using those hmm
51:28 <Lemon> idk the name in english
51:33 <Lemon> where you put beers in summer to cool them
51:34 * Ampera had sandwiches
51:36 <Ampera> ham/turkey/roast beef
51:37 <Lemon> or whatever
51:45 <Lemon> pretty nice combinaition
51:52 <rust_collector> ok
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54:17 <rust_collector> I used those weird somekind of fiber based sheets, that you insulate fireplaces with. awesome stuff. it is easily cut with.. anything. I just used a hand saw.
54:37 <Lemon> yeah I thought about those
54:56 <Lemon> you use a heated wire to cut them no ?
54:57 <Lemon> usually
55:16 <rust_collector> I stick a propane torch in there, and when the inside wall is bright orange, I can still hold my hand on the outside, and it is barely warm
55:38 <rust_collector> no, these are made to take high heat, you do not cut them with a hot wire
55:45 <Lemon> ha right not the same thing
56:03 <rust_collector> they look similar-ish, but no
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56:43 <rust_collector> they will be fine at 1500c
56:55 <rust_collector> says the guy
58:07 <rust_collector> but my point was that they insulate really well, so you need less heat inside, to make it heat up
00:33 <Lemon> true, true
00:54 <Lemon> but I think those beer/boxes should work well too no ? as they retain cold well
01:05 <Lemon> it should be the same for the opposite, especially for temps up to 60-70C only
01:06 <rust_collector> yeah, maybe
01:26 <rust_collector> just don't melt them, around the heater element
05:40 <Lemon> hmm yeah
05:49 <Lemon> I have to think about it
06:05 <rust_collector> hmm, use one of those rice cooker elements
06:15 <rust_collector> or a rice cooker, lol
07:12 <rust_collector> hmm, it looks like I am getting a piece of audi delivered. me will c
07:25 <Lemon> aye
08:40 <rust_collector> that would be nice, then I can finish the welding part tomorrow, and just do paint and shit this weekend
16:16 <K> git status
16:19 <K> oh ffs
16:43 <rust_collector> no no, don't upload your github to irc
17:29 <K> okay
20:12 <Lemon> another thing about the decade box with bourns pots, you can correct wire resistance
35:59 <rust_collector> meh, just adjust all your wires to 1 ohm
45:28 <Lemon> you just have to adjust it when you tweak pots in fact
45:38 <Lemon> you dont even have to think about it
46:18 <Lemon> that means, with my 6.5 digit dmms, I can make a 1R to 1M ohm box with an actual 1R resolution, I can really have a 1 000 001R resistor
46:42 <Lemon> with the one im building I can only have at best 1 001 XXX R
53:51 <Ampera> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMk-Qdajf3M
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37:12 <Ysjoelfir> rusty, do you know a book about nordic mythology that is not written as blunt as a simple translation of snorri storlusons edda?
55:13 <rust_collector> no, but what is wrong with the edda/heimskringa/stuff?
56:27 <rust_collector> Most of the stuff I see, is sort of based on that, or some sciency stuff, or neo nazi stuff. it is pretty tricky
57:11 <rust_collector> Lemon, if you adjust ALL your wires to 1 ohm...
58:25 <rust_collector> So, yes, I got the missing piece of audi now. I guess I have to actually do something tomorrow
01:28 <Lemon> adjusting a wire to 1.00000 ohms will be much harder than taking them in account when you tweak each pot
04:48 <rust_collector> I never mentioned it making any sense at all?
06:55 <Lemon> :>
08:03 <Lemon> the next instrument I want is a good lcr bridge
08:58 <Lemon> my lcr meter isnt really accurate
08:59 <rust_collector> hoe about an HP 12345678-def?
09:39 <rust_collector> Aaw, I am out of vodka, how am I supposed to think now
11:13 <Lemon> erf
11:17 <Lemon> idk which one yet
11:19 <Lemon> a good deal I guess
22:40 <Lemon> I remember DHess saying that with a reference cap and resistor, I can build a lcr bridge
23:56 <Ysjoelfir> rust_collector - well, ther version i read is like... "there was a land.it had a river. The river divided the land into three lands. the north land had also a river. it divided it into three parts. the east part was called asia. the west part was called what do I know. there was a man called odin. he liked to travel." and so on. thats..... very very exhausting to read
31:53 <rust_collector> meh, just remember that odin was a man, and because of that, he could make mistakes, and he could forget things, which is what his ravens helped him with.
32:22 <rust_collector> and that time when Thor tried crossdressing... it was fun
33:07 <Ysjoelfir> tell me aaaaaall the details XD
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34:29 * noobor o/
35:24 <Ampera> \o
36:09 <rust_collector> \oo/
36:35 <rust_collector> HNNNGGGGG!!! BDDDDWWWWWWWW!!! *drool*
37:00 <noobor> can you use chips to get mor power https://www.onsemi.com/pub/Collateral/LM2575-D.PDF
37:10 <noobor> multiple chips
38:21 <Ysjoelfir> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/17xJYM6q3S0PWd1SU_haXelhWUACmS7XK?usp=sharing
38:25 <Ysjoelfir> rusty
38:47 <rust_collector> Ysjoelfir, some guy took the hammer, so thorvald, as we used to call him, got dressed in a nice dress, and used some perky rocks as boobs, to sneak into guys party...
39:34 <Ysjoelfir> I'm looking forward to that part of the story :D
43:23 <Ysjoelfir> did you take a look at the link I posted? maybe you can understand why I find it hard to read^^
43:44 <Ampera> what the fuck did i just look back to
43:51 * Ampera sprays down rust_collector with a hose
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05:51 <Ysjoelfir> good for you, EEVBlog, I don't
06:09 <rust_collector> I wonder what kind of hose...
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07:47 <rust_collector> well, Ysjoelfir.. it is some peoples religious stories, so they have to hard to read
08:24 <Ysjoelfir> thats what I don't like about religion
08:30 <Ysjoelfir> besides other stuff
08:40 <rust_collector> that it is hard to read?
08:41 <rust_collector> ok
08:48 <rust_collector> we all have out reasons
09:06 <Ysjoelfir> well, and all the stuff about fanatism people make out of it
10:44 <rust_collector> I think they are in general ok, as long as there is no church, and priests and such, and that they do not make their own version of it. if you keep people away from religion, it is probably ok
10:58 <Ysjoelfir> I agree
16:34 <rust_collector> you know, as long as the pope is alcaline
16:44 <Ysjoelfir> XD
16:44 <rust_collector> and add salt
17:01 <Ysjoelfir> you should always add salt
17:41 <rust_collector> I tried with soy sauce, in some cases, it works well
18:40 <rust_collector> paul the 6th got soy sauce. and even if he was italian, it torned out ok
19:07 <Ysjoelfir> maybe you should try fish sauce the next time
19:49 <rust_collector> Meh, I like pope sauce.
20:00 <rust_collector> Oh, like that... yes, maybe
21:39 <rust_collector> ok, dinner is done. even the wife ate it
21:49 <Ysjoelfir> always a good sign
25:59 <rust_collector> super easy dinner today. fried rice mince meat onions garlic salt pepper ketchup/water/chilli paste, then served in a bowl
27:09 <Ysjoelfir> that sounds pretty tasty
27:31 <rust_collector> it was much more tasty than I thought it would be
28:58 <rust_collector> I tried a blob of sour cream, and I sort of liked that. wife used that sweet and sour gloop
29:17 <Ysjoelfir> I would go with the sour cream I think
30:24 <rust_collector> I would too. that gloop tastes ok, but it is gloopy
31:29 <Ysjoelfir> exactly
35:24 <rust_collector> carrot soup..... I do not think I have tried that
35:41 <Ysjoelfir> me neither, but it sounds like its worth a try
36:03 <rust_collector> yep, it is probably food
36:43 <Ysjoelfir> as long as it doesn't have zucchini in it it most probably is food, yes
41:35 <rust_collector> i am not into football either
42:49 <Ysjoelfir> I hate football
42:58 <Ampera> My dad loves bundesliga
43:11 <Ysjoelfir> most people do
43:15 <Ysjoelfir> I don't understand why
43:23 <rust_collector> well, we were talkng about food, where did this sports crap come from?
43:29 <Ampera> he actually runs a US fan club for Borussia Monchengladbach
43:46 <Ampera> apparently the only official one in the US
43:58 <Ysjoelfir> heh. our old neighbors were big fans IIRC
44:03 <Ampera> not sure if that was just for Monchengladbach or for all of bundesliga, but likely the former
44:19 <Ampera> I saw Borussia Monchengladbach play, though it was a boring match, ended in 0-0
44:41 <Ampera> I saw a match from a lower league, Red White Essen, and it was way nicer
45:24 <rust_collector> professional sports should be banned
47:12 <Ysjoelfir> I don't need it either. most of the time I get the impression that it only causes problems
48:47 <rust_collector> people can play as much sport as they want, if it is for fun, I just do not think it should be a job
50:32 <Ysjoelfir> I agree
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54:31 <rust_collector> I think I will tidy up the porch outside, and set up a little summer kitchen there.
55:59 <rust_collector> or maybe make a rolling kitchen thing, that I can roll around, and fit on the trailer, so I can go annoy mum with food things
56:58 <Ysjoelfir> mum will be happy :)
57:12 <rust_collector> yeah, probably
57:48 <rust_collector> I hope I can make he grow beef trees in her greenhouse. that would be nice
03:41 <Ysjoelfir> that would be so usefull :D
04:32 <rust_collector> yes, that stuff is so expensive in stores here. if we could just grow out own.
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18:14 <rust_collector> yeah, just quit... again...
21:38 <Ysjoelfir> hehe
23:54 <rust_collector> hmm, audi guy mentioned replacing door hinges. I think I will push him to do that a bit faster than he wants to, and just take his doors off
24:33 <Ysjoelfir> I assume it could ease your work if those pesky doors stop hitting you in the neck while welding
26:30 <rust_collector> anyway, I think.. I put a grill "sideways" on one end, gas burner behind that, countertop down the side, a divider in the middle, and probably a top on the other side as well. maybe a small sink? and a sticky-up pole with some light on?
26:54 <Ysjoelfir> gas driven?
27:00 <rust_collector> yes, there is that, and I can get in there and grind things properly, without the rear door on
27:05 <rust_collector> yes, probably gas
28:03 <Ysjoelfir> I got two nice gas lanterns some time ago. added that to the camping equipment :D
29:31 <rust_collector> I guess it would make sense to have a "lid". I could put that on some telescopic thingies, and have a roof over the thing...
30:31 <Ysjoelfir> that sounds like a nice weekend project
31:51 <Ysjoelfir> speaking from which, I should consider rebuilding my bicycle trailer. I build it from aluminium profiles, but its fragile as fuck, especially the..... that thing where you pull it and connect it to the bike
33:03 <rust_collector> right
33:48 <rust_collector> I made a bike trailer in school. it was pretty handy. I put it on my moped when that came around.
34:48 <Ysjoelfir> I actually used the coupling from GDR simson mopeds for it, as I don't like those small bicycle couplings
34:57 <rust_collector> hmm, I used a... I think it was a hospital bed axle, well, it was something with wheels from a hospital anyway. it had something close to wheelbarrow wheels
35:17 <Ysjoelfir> nice recycling :P
35:19 <rust_collector> volvo b20 valve springs
35:28 <Ysjoelfir> heh
35:29 <rust_collector> as springs
36:05 <rust_collector> I used a hydraulic quick connector for the hitch part. it worked well
37:09 <Ysjoelfir> thats a cool idea
37:25 <rust_collector> just a bracket on one side, on the "bike" and a 10cm or so piece of old hydraulic hose on the trailer side, jam a steel bar in the hose, and a pair of hose clamps around it
38:27 <rust_collector> very easy to use, rotates nicely, and the "steering" and bouncing around is done with the hose bit
38:50 <Ysjoelfir> thats such a nice idea. I may immitate that
39:24 <rust_collector> I think I cut it down to be a battery trolley after some years.
41:10 <rust_collector> I am not sure why exactly, because it would make much more sense to just put the battery in the car, and I would not need to jump it all the time, lol
42:48 <Ysjoelfir> I used mine for shopping a lot when I didn't have a car. I enjoyed it, but sadly it was to fragile to transport drinks. when I loaded it with two sixpacks of water (so basically 24 kilos...) the axle bent and the wheels scraped on the frame. also the drawbar, that I made from aluminium handrail and handrail corner pieces which I riveted together, decided to disintegrate on a regular basis
43:18 <Ysjoelfir> I used aluminium to keep it light, but... I think using steel would make it way more stable without adding too much weight
44:01 <rust_collector> well, aluminium is strong enough, but you have to design it to be aluminum.
44:31 <Ysjoelfir> hm?
45:45 <rust_collector> I used 12x12mm square tubing, the frame was 19x19. it was not very heavy. the floor was just old floor, and the sides were aluminum sheets riveted on
46:25 <rust_collector> well, making something from aluminum is a little bit different than steel, especially if you are trying to make it lightweight
47:01 <rust_collector> I mean, steel is soft, aluminum is like old chewing gum
47:28 <Ysjoelfir> I used 40x40 rexroth profiles. damn expensive, and the corner connectors weren't sturdy enough and broke
47:54 <rust_collector> I got mine free, as it was a school project, lol
48:03 <Ysjoelfir> hehe
48:34 <rust_collector> My teacher used to work in the local shipyard. he only welded with a torch. he was a bit weird
49:28 <Ysjoelfir> I always wanted to learn gas welding. but its not practical for me as a hobbyist without a garage or simmilar
50:33 <rust_collector> well, unless you need to heat things up, or cut stuff, there is no really good point in gas welding, just use tig. it is almost the same
51:51 <Ysjoelfir> is it?
52:17 <rust_collector> it is more or less the same thing, just that you have an arc and not a flame
52:49 <rust_collector> just heating things until they melt. not very different to do
53:56 <rust_collector> I wonder if you don't in most cases use the same filler rods too.
54:27 <rust_collector> hmm, if you are trying tig, on this stuff, mig wire is not a bad filler
54:46 <rust_collector> on thin, not this
57:55 <Ysjoelfir> that sounds pretty logical to me
59:12 <rust_collector> maybe you should get a reel of aluminium wire, and make a nice aluminium birds nest in your new welder...
00:24 <Ysjoelfir> I heard that you can mig weld aluminium. but... how? I thought you can't penetrate the aluminium oxide easily?
01:35 <rust_collector> you have to have things pretty clean-ish. I do not remember if you have to swap polarity, but the ideal is to use ac. ac "cleans" the metal
02:56 <rust_collector> you can do it on dc, but... I don't remember if you swapped the polarity or not, and it could be that your machine has some random settings that will work better or worse, but yes, you can do it
04:04 <rust_collector> grind it slightly just before you start welding, and the oxide layer is thin. it will sort of float on the puddle
04:20 <rust_collector> or sand it or whatever
07:42 <Ysjoelfir> that sounds... doable
07:53 <rust_collector> butt... alunimium in a mig is more or less asking for trouble. the "addon" handle with the spool and feeder, tends to work ok. it is just that the aluminium is soft, and does not like being pushed thru a long hose.
08:11 <Ysjoelfir> yeah, I read that
08:15 <rust_collector> it will probably work fine, if you do it now, while the welder is nice and new
08:32 <rust_collector> but.. meh.
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11:12 <Ysjoelfir> yeah, I understand :)
11:27 <Ysjoelfir> However, SWMBO is snorring away, and I think I should join her.
11:50 <rust_collector> why? you could just grab your hilti, and drill the walls a bit?
12:53 <rust_collector> heh, find a nice 1/2" piece of steel plate, put it on the side of the couch. if she falls asleep.... HILTI!
13:01 <Ysjoelfir> XD
13:18 <rust_collector> eeh, she might like it
13:30 <Ysjoelfir> I doubt it^^ also I'm tired, too. ;)
13:34 <rust_collector> well good night
13:54 <rust_collector> be up tomorrow. wake me up, I have stuff to do
17:42 <Ysjoelfir> I try. :)
17:44 <Ysjoelfir> gn8 all
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35:31 <noobor> suggestions for a dc-dc chip for 5-25V into +-5V, +-12V 1-2A
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08:19 <T3sl4> noobor: all four at once?
08:44 <noobor> yeah sure
08:53 <noobor> 12 is most relevan
08:59 <noobor> 5 is optional
09:09 <T3sl4> well which is it, because you ain't gonna find all of those in one
09:33 <noobor> needs two?
09:55 <T3sl4> at best you're looking at either one for each supply, with a different controller for the negative outputs, or some scheme with coupled inductors, which can get custom-y
10:13 <noobor> I have this https://chinese-electronics-products-tested.blogspot.com/p/hiland-multiple-output-power-module.html
10:20 <noobor> but i need more power
10:37 <noobor> it does 3/5/12
11:15 <T3sl4> ew, charge pump
11:35 <noobor> I also have this https://www.futurlec.com/Mini_Power_Dual_12V.shtml
12:04 <noobor> specs should be enough at 1A but I have problems where devices won't power
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12:17 <noobor> even under low load
12:44 <noobor> so there must be some hidden specs i'm missing, like inrush current
12:53 <noobor> i'm hunting for a solution
14:29 <noobor> there's no reason why this device won't power up https://www.modulargrid.net/e/noise-engineering-basimilus-iteritas-alter-black
15:08 <noobor> unless it has something to do with cheap chinese products or the laptop brick I'm using
15:27 <noobor> device load is very below specs
15:39 <noobor> for either PSU
15:42 <T3sl4> what does "start up" mean
15:48 <T3sl4> does it not work at all?
15:49 <noobor> power up at all
15:59 <T3sl4> is that analog or digital?
16:05 <noobor> repair was null, 100% working order
16:18 <noobor> it's digital. I have similar problem with a few more
16:32 <noobor> all digital
18:34 <T3sl4> oh neat, XMOS core
19:17 <T3sl4> when you connect it up, do the supplies still measure 12, 5 etc?
50:15 <noobor> yes
50:37 <noobor> whats xmos
52:08 <noobor> is it power hungry
52:20 <noobor> no mention of start current
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21:46 <rust_collector> morning!!!
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09:28 <rust_collector> hey hsn
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10:46 <rust_collector> how many of you are you going to be today?
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18:19 <noobor> I am always
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55:56 <hsn93> hey rusty
56:44 <rust_collector> hey-oo
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56:55 <rust_collector> oh wow
57:00 <rust_collector> that took some time
57:02 <hsn93> oh the favorite gang member joined
57:23 <Ysjoelfir> hello all
57:23 <EEVBlog> Hello there, Ysjoelfir!
57:30 <hsn93> hello there, ysjoelifr
57:34 <rust_collector> yeah, that
57:37 <Ysjoelfir> omfg, four times in a row, I'm nearly at full performance!
57:39 <hsn93> yesjolfir!
57:55 <Ysjoelfir> hi rust and nhs39
58:03 <hsn93> ysjoelfir u talk like u just punched the power punchy thingy
58:04 <hsn93> xD
58:26 <Ysjoelfir> XD
58:31 * Ysjoelfir punches EEVBlog
58:37 <rust_collector> power punchy thingy
58:53 <hsn93> the thing u punch and it gives u score
59:58 <Ysjoelfir> like that https://pbs.twimg.com/ext_tw_video_thumb/1054470239977725952/pu/img/3xtubL0c7Zn3hD57.jpg
00:07 <rust_collector> hmm, one of those old school jewish people, those with beards and the strange clothes?
00:22 <rust_collector> we don't have many of those up here
00:29 <hsn93> 2 long hair at side ?
00:43 <rust_collector> not sure, I only saw them in movies
01:26 <rust_collector> oh. those things, ok
01:30 <hsn93> https://thechosenbychaimpotokpd5.weebly.com/uploads/1/9/0/4/19048391/518770237.jpg?406
01:34 <rust_collector> I would suck at that
02:02 <Ysjoelfir> just hit it with your welder, rusty, then it'll be great
02:16 <rust_collector> yeah, that is an option
02:41 <rust_collector> I probably punch things too slowly to get many points
03:22 <hsn93> do u explode ur hands after the punch ?
03:42 <Ysjoelfir> that sounds like it could hurt
03:42 <rust_collector> no, I am not religious
04:25 <hsn93> does exploding related to religious ? :P
04:58 <hsn93> rusty ur religious racist xD
05:02 <rust_collector> well, some religions tend to explode more than others...
05:36 <hsn93> its stupidity
06:28 <Ysjoelfir> xD
06:38 <rust_collector> well, I dunno. it ends their suffering. it is ok. They should just go somewhere else when they go boom
07:06 <hsn93> yet they dont
07:13 <hsn93> -_-
07:19 <rust_collector> yeah, lazy bastards
07:22 <hsn93> xD
08:03 <Ysjoelfir> rusty is a norsemen. one of his gods is a crossdresser using stones as boobs, another one is a debil man that needs his two animals to remind hin off all the shit he forgot. He can't be religious racist :P
09:33 <hsn93> so yesterday i was talking about greek letter (psi and xi)
09:45 <hsn93> like whats the difference in pronouncing them
10:01 <hsn93> and then they told me that psi is some spear for greek god
10:12 <hsn93> but i was saying no .. its the devil fork thingy
10:34 <rust_collector> psy was from korea, I think
10:51 <hsn93> poseidon ^
11:51 <rust_collector> I only like ea, or enki. he had water running out of his shoulders, and got sick from eating his own sperm, and lots of weirdness
12:23 <Ysjoelfir> oO
12:35 <rust_collector> I think gods in general are a bit... alternative
13:11 <rust_collector> https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Enki
15:58 <Ampera> >:( Amazon still hasn't shipped my phone
16:03 <Ampera> I bought it on Sunday.
16:18 <Ysjoelfir> wtf did I just read
16:28 <Ysjoelfir> Ampera - same goes for my schmart watch
16:51 <Ampera> is that any better than a smart watch?
16:58 <Ysjoelfir> no, its the same
17:17 <Ampera> what is amazing is I paid 230 bucks for my Pinebook pro and they flew it in from Hong Kong in 3 days
17:33 <rust_collector> Consuming his own semen, he falls pregnant (ill with swellings) in his jaw, his teeth, his mouth, his hip, his throat, his limbs, his side and his rib. The gods are at a loss to know what to do; chagrined they "sit in the dust". As Enki lacks a birth canal through which to give birth, he seems to be dying with swellings.
17:48 <rust_collector> yes, this is a proper god guy
17:48 <Ampera> I pay 1350 bucks for a phone and case and they can't even get it out of the facility that's probably a state or two over
18:07 <Ysjoelfir> yep, rusty, thats what I meant. what the hell did I just read :D
18:22 <Ysjoelfir> Ampera - my 230€ watch didn't even leave the warehouse yet
19:26 <Ampera> Apparently they're going to dispatch my PinePhone today, also via DHL, if it manages to arrive here before my S20 Ultra, I will die laughing
20:36 <rust_collector> that is not a bad way to go, I guess
21:00 <Ysjoelfir> exploding because you ate your own sperm? I'm not so sure about that
21:08 <Ysjoelfir> Ampera - https://www.dhl.de/de/privatkunden/pakete-empfangen/verfolgen.html?piececode=00340434171745303708
21:19 <Ysjoelfir> it says "The parcel was digitally announced"
22:05 <Ampera> I google translated and it said exactly that
22:08 <Ampera> which is weird
22:13 <rust_collector> perfect. that means.... nothing at all
22:17 <Ampera> let me go back to see what it says in german
22:31 <Ampera> huh, I'll be
22:53 <Ampera> Although, Sendung, I thought that meant show
23:02 <Ampera> does it also mean shipment or package?
23:11 <rust_collector> shipment
23:16 <Ysjoelfir> it means someone printed a digital shipping label which didn't reach a scanner from DHL yet
23:21 <Ampera> like, Die Sendung mit der Maus
23:48 <Ysjoelfir> regarding "Sendung" - yes, it means "(the) show" and "parcel"
23:57 <Ampera> (this is how long ago the last time I studied German)
24:18 <Ampera> though that was such a nice TV show, years ago, I still have some of it on DVD
24:57 <Ysjoelfir> it's still on air today :) in the 90s there was a big "Maus-Nacht" for.. IIRC 100 years Die Sendung mit der Maus. I had that on four VHS
25:14 <Ampera> Another German children's show I was quite fond of was Robbi, Tobbi, und das Fliewahtuut
25:32 <Ysjoelfir> Sadly I lost them, so I wrote to german television and asked for a copy. They send me one for just 92€ x.x
25:40 <Ysjoelfir> Hah, yeah, that was cute :)
25:41 <Ampera> though it was more a serialized movie than a show
25:47 <Ysjoelfir> yep
26:35 <Ysjoelfir> I also enjoyed Augsburger Puppenkiste back then. Like "Jim Knopf der Lokomotivführer", "Schlupp vom grünen Stern" or "Urmel aus dem Eis"
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26:56 <Ysjoelfir> Ampera, do you have a spare router for hsn993 ?
27:06 <Ampera> I don't even have a spare router for my mom :P
27:14 <hsn993> im mom ?
27:24 <Ysjoelfir> yes, you just gave birth
27:41 <Ampera> Lokomotivfuhrer is a new word I've just learned and it's hilarious
27:45 <Ampera> presumably meaning train conductor
27:50 <hsn993> nice that means i can get thinner
28:03 <Ampera> hsn993, wow you are just like my mom
28:05 <Ampera> good luck
28:08 <Ampera> you'll need it
28:10 <hsn993> lucomotive i see
28:33 <hsn993> ampera , Behave ! xD
28:54 <Ampera> Not having grown up in Germany, and not really having learned the German language all too much, I wasn't exposed to that much German TV, only what I was given by my dad to help me learn German
29:06 <Ysjoelfir> Ampera - basically, yes. Its the guy that drives the train
29:21 <rust_collector> conductor is the guy back in the train, doing tickets and stuff, isn't it? der fuhrer is the train driver, or engineer, I think you call them over there
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29:56 <Ampera> conductor generally means the guy that drives a train, but yeah he usually does tickets, and there's the engineer who drives it
30:17 <Ampera> but if you were to say conductor in a vacuum it'll refer to the guy driving or in charge of the train
30:35 <Ampera> as literally translated that'd be locomotive leader,
30:40 <rust_collector> he is in charge, but not driving, I believe?
31:12 <rust_collector> but whatever
31:35 <Ampera> btw it's 02:30 where I am, where can I find the meaning of life?
32:13 <hsn993> ampera, up there, in the sky near the sun
32:24 <rust_collector> you missed it, it was only available until 1am
32:28 <Ampera> Ysjoelfir, the DE site for DHL tracking is way nicer than what the US has, http://www.dhl-usa.com/en/express/tracking.html?AWB=8936920344&brand=DHL
32:55 <Ysjoelfir> well, at least it shows more information than the german one ^^
33:18 <Ysjoelfir> and it shows how many pieces of your shipment were lost and at which station (or if it got split in halve)
34:35 * Ampera splits hsn993 in half
35:10 <Ampera> I might fall back asleep
35:41 <rust_collector> good for you
36:58 <rust_collector> I got up at 4.30, for some reason. but it is good. I am going to work tomorrow, so maybe I can sleep a bit before that
37:33 <Ampera> tomorrow is my last day of work for the week
37:42 <rust_collector> mine too
37:54 <Ampera> funny how things work out like that
38:08 Nick: hsn993 is now known as half_hsn
38:24 <rust_collector> hey 2x half_hsn
38:38 <half_hsn> thats full
38:49 <Ampera> Don't you mean hsn496.5
39:15 <Ysjoelfir> :D
39:15 <rust_collector> fm
39:38 <Ampera> rust_collector, 496.5 Mhz?
39:44 <Ampera> that's an agressive FM station
39:49 <rust_collector> yep
40:02 <Ampera> too high for FM, too low for AM
40:12 <Ampera> just enough to make me feel hungry
40:14 <rust_collector> is it?
40:37 <half_hsn> i think i cant put (.) in nick
40:42 <rust_collector> good
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41:11 Nick: Ysjoelfir is now known as hsn496andahalf
41:55 Nick: Ampera is now known as hsn496-5
42:01 <hsn496-5> y'all are pathetic
42:04 Nick: hsn496-5 is now known as Ampera
42:18 <hsn496andahalf> :P
42:22 Nick: hsn496andahalf is now known as Ysjoelfir
42:42 <Ampera> aircon is so good
42:51 <Ampera> I want to suck the cock of whoever invented it
42:51 <Ysjoelfir> my feet are smelly
43:19 <Ampera> Ysjoelfir, eating with your hands is one thing, eating with your feet is worse
43:27 <hsn> imposers :P
43:42 <Ysjoelfir> I don't. they smell so bad that I can smell them while sitting
44:06 <hsn> i like flip flops
44:06 <Ysjoelfir> it's because of those barefoot shoes, they are made from rubber which starts to smell realy bad pretty quickly
44:25 <Ysjoelfir> I should have thrown them into the washer yesterday
44:33 <hsn> they let my feet breathing not like the damn shoes
45:01 <Ampera> you people wear shoes?
45:04 <Ampera> pathetic
45:18 <rust_collector> mmh, no
45:27 * Ampera hugs rust_collector 
45:55 <hsn> Ampera
45:56 <rust_collector> I wear wool socks
46:06 <Ampera> I wear nothing
46:06 <Ampera> ever
46:09 <Ampera> you heathens
46:10 <rust_collector> grandma made
46:26 <Ampera> if god had intended us to wear clothes he'd have grown them into us
46:51 <rust_collector> I have that feeling about pillows
47:06 <rust_collector> we are probably not supposed to use pillows
47:29 <hsn> ampera do u know how to put signiture in linker script ?
47:33 <Ampera> my pillow is a balled up blanket
47:46 <Ampera> hsn, I don't know the meaning of any of those words
47:59 <Ampera> includeing "do", "u", and "know"
48:06 <hsn> https://wallet.fail/wallets/nanos/firmware-f00dbabe/ ^
48:34 <Ampera> oh crypto stuff
48:50 <hsn> not crypto at all
48:57 <Ampera> how about you people stop wasting the world's electricity and computing power and start using real money and putting that hardware towards an actually worthy cause
49:07 <hsn> the firmware was just compiled with signature at end .. (0xf00dbabe)
49:38 <Ampera> hey that's similar to the l8d of my IP
49:41 <Ampera> dead:feed
49:49 <hsn> i just dont want the bootloader to run anything it finds in the flash
50:10 <Ampera> I suddenly remembered sleep is nice
50:13 <Ampera> I'll do some of it
50:22 <rust_collector> can I have some too?
50:31 <hsn> enjoy
51:19 * Ysjoelfir craves some sleep
51:30 <rust_collector> so, what is that thing?
51:50 <rust_collector> an usb with an stm?
53:43 <rust_collector> sounds like a perfect upgrade if you need a powerful rubber ducky
57:34 <rust_collector> hmm, which reminds me... I should find something to use one of those for
57:47 <Ysjoelfir> a rubber ducky?
57:51 <rust_collector> yep
58:34 <rust_collector> I happened to find one, in a bowl of free usb sticks...
58:36 <Ysjoelfir> in the other eevblog channel we thought about tieing one to the bumper of my car as a makeshift parking sensor
58:56 <Ysjoelfir> if it squeaks you're to close to the wall
59:14 <rust_collector> but you have a volvo?
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00:10 <rust_collector> if you tried to sit in a normal position, you would see the lights disappear, when you are almost at the wall
01:00 <Ysjoelfir> thats true
01:40 <rust_collector> or, as you can, with a volvo, just let it say "thud" and let it roll back 3"
01:53 <Ysjoelfir> I also never hit a wall.... but I have a trailer hook, that protrudes quite a bit. once I had to pee insanely hard, was in a hurry, and stemped a nice hole in my neighbors plastic car YS
02:03 <rust_collector> they have rubber mounted bumpers
02:04 <Ysjoelfir> *XD
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03:03 <Ysjoelfir> yes, I know. It's pretty nice. There is a lidl where I sometimes buy groceries. their parking spots are extremely short, which is why I use the "thud" method all the time there
03:42 <rust_collector> maybe you should weld up a hitch ball cover, that leaves a more interesting impression
04:45 <Ysjoelfir> like a "Ysjoelfir was here"-Textbox?
04:54 <rust_collector> sort of
05:50 <rust_collector> https://www.007shop.no/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/FantometMusmatte-526x660.jpg
05:58 <rust_collector> you know.
06:02 <Ysjoelfir> yes.
06:32 <rust_collector> like a better business card
07:00 <rust_collector> so, I am looking as gas bottles
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08:08 <rust_collector> I might pay a little bit extra, and get them in the sort of local gas... machine thing. at least I can get it on a sunday after whatevertimeitis
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11:34 <Ysjoelfir> just get a water-to-carbide-generator and you'll be fine!
11:39 <rust_collector> I think an 11 liter will do fine here. I do not mig that much
12:15 <rust_collector> and it it not too annoying to drag around
12:31 <Ysjoelfir> that sounds reasonable
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14:52 <rust_collector> otoh, maybe I would mig a little bit more, if I did not have to use that fluxcore shit
15:34 <Ysjoelfir> well, it is at least way cleaner than stick?
17:39 <rust_collector> uuh, no, it is not
19:03 <rust_collector> it is almost the same, it is just that the stick has the flux on the outside, the wire has it inside, but ie, it is pretty much the same, and it is in general annoying to use
19:57 <rust_collector> I only use it, because I did so little mig for such a long time, that it was not worth buying or renting a bottle
20:59 <rust_collector> but now, I have 3 cars outside, that need a good bit of welding done. I think it is time
21:55 <rust_collector> the good thing, is that I think I might get enough metal out of the audi, to patch up the wifemobine
21:56 <hsn93> hey , wouldnt this fry 2n70002 ? https://snipboard.io/1FoyZv.jpg
23:05 <Ysjoelfir> I mean cleaner if you compare mig/mag to stick, not flux core to stick :)
23:19 <rust_collector> yep
23:46 <rust_collector> by a lot
26:10 <rust_collector> hsn93, maybe? lol
29:12 <hsn93> :>
29:44 <rust_collector> what is v3?
30:47 <hsn93> 5v pwm
38:09 <rust_collector> ok, my head is not working well enough for that.
40:20 <Ysjoelfir> why would it fry the 2N7002? isn't the 10R R1 there to prevent excessive current flow? :)
43:01 <Ysjoelfir> you would have 2.5V minus lets say 0.5V from Q2s Collector diode over 10 ohms to ground. that would be 2V/10R = 200mA
43:11 <Ysjoelfir> the 2N7002 is capable of.... 300mA IIRC?
46:43 <rust_collector> what is that thing supposed to do?
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57:52 <hsn93> gate drive ..
58:35 <rust_collector> that whole thing is driving a gate?
58:44 <hsn93> yeah
58:58 <hsn93> the most right bottom is just buck
00:05 <hsn93> 2.5v --> ysjoelfir ?
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00:45 <hsn993> damn router
00:50 <Ysjoelfir> oh, I just saw that its a current source. I thought the bottom right part was a voltage source
00:57 <Ysjoelfir> (I1)
02:13 <hsn993> yeah so that would mean its 100v - 0.5 ===> bigger than vds of 2n7002 ?
02:23 <Ysjoelfir> why 100-0.5V?
02:28 <Ysjoelfir> where do the 100V come from?
02:33 <rust_collector> v1?
02:58 <rust_collector> top right
03:17 <Ysjoelfir> the source of M1 (which is what we are looking at here) should be pretty close to 0V, shouldn't it?
03:50 <rust_collector> I just can not get my head around this.
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06:41 <rust_collector> can an irfz44n do 100v at all?, or am I missing one more thing here?
07:19 <Ysjoelfir> no, it can't
07:24 <hsn993> 100v come from v1 top right .. ?
07:48 <hsn993> through pnp Q2?
07:57 <hsn993> to M2 ?
08:13 <K> hello
08:27 <Ysjoelfir> hi K
08:39 <rust_collector> that is how I see it ... but I knoe naathink
09:06 <hsn993> hello K
09:28 <rust_collector> hey hey k
09:56 <Ysjoelfir> hsn993 - sure, thats true. and since L1 is pretty big it should limit the amount of current going to C3 and I1. Hm. Strange.
11:03 <Ysjoelfir> but I'm feeling pretty.... miserable today, so don't expect me to be without any rookie mistake there... :D
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12:59 <hsn93> Ysjoelfir, nothing more misarble than seeing my self disconnected while sending long text
13:03 <rust_collector> not as bad as that router
13:14 <hsn93> +1 ^
13:41 <rust_collector> I wonder where the gate is...
13:52 <hsn93> M1 is the gate
14:33 <hsn93> its N-ch and high side switching .. so u need to bootstrap the driving .. thats what all this about ..
14:33 <rust_collector> right, but what is it supposed to do?
15:26 <hsn93> usually when u drive N-ch u have to put voltage on the gate that is bigger than source ..
15:31 <rust_collector> just connect v1 to ground thru everything?
16:12 <hsn93> i connect my self through router to v1
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16:26 <rust_collector> aah!
17:06 <hsn93> ysjoelfir, that sneaky circuit i found on the internet now i notice the simulation starts from 4ms .. so i draw it my self
17:10 <hsn93> and simulated it
17:55 <hsn93> and there is somthing weird
17:55 <hsn93> https://snipboard.io/Jr4e9N.jpg
18:27 <hsn93> i changed the 2n7002 to somthing bigger ^ it didnt change
20:44 <Ysjoelfir> I should really learn more about simulations. glitches like that are so intersting to figute out
21:35 <rust_collector> oh, you people of sudoku.....
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21:45 <hsn> i should learn about routers
21:51 <hsn> x_X
21:55 <Ysjoelfir> you should just get a new one
22:02 <hsn> its not mine
22:21 <hsn> its a gateway wifi next to our room
22:23 <Ysjoelfir> then kill it and ask for it to be replaced
22:32 <hsn> i went to IT they just restarted it
22:40 <hsn> nothing happened
22:42 <rust_collector> meh, I still vote for running over it with a forklift.
22:54 <hsn> its mounted on roof rusty
23:12 <K> a bukkit of water!
23:18 <rust_collector> on top of the roof?
23:23 <hsn> yes
23:26 <K> on top of the router.
24:10 Quit: hsn ([email protected]) EOF from client
24:19 <rust_collector> well, that is a weird place to put a router. take the cover off, so birds can shit in it?
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26:04 <rust_collector> or find a way to get a forklift up there. that could be fun at parties. forklift racing and bbq on the roof
26:54 <Ysjoelfir> I would join immediately
28:42 <rust_collector> super mario fork cart. I wonder if someone made their modified versions of games like that
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29:06 <hsn993> WTF
29:30 <hsn993> nice race
29:32 <rust_collector> hsn 9000
29:38 <hsn993> i will stand on the fork
29:49 <hsn993> and someone drive me to the edge
29:49 <hsn993> and hit brakes
29:53 <rust_collector> no no, it is full of banana crates
30:29 <hsn993> just kill me the router is nt going to be solved i can tell
30:35 <rust_collector> to make the unicorn skid off the track,
30:38 <hsn993> ysjoelfir
31:51 <hsn993> so one time i contacted microchip about somthing and now they follow with the project more than my bosses
31:52 <hsn993> xD
31:52 <hsn993> Good Day! Hope your doing well despite current situation encountering now regarding Covid-19.
31:52 <hsn993> For below project, May I know its latest status?
32:11 <rust_collector> hmm, wait until lunch, go to boss, who is at lunch, write a quick script, that send an email to IT guy, every 10 minutes, telling him to fix away the router
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32:46 <rust_collector> heh, so, you are working for microchip now?
33:10 <hsn993> xD i dont know what im working anymore rusty
33:13 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: Err, KiCAD is bigger than Altium! https://t.co/lvbXqbEnxB
33:25 <hsn993> but i have nice lcd that i want to play with
34:06 <rust_collector> is it big?
34:42 <hsn993> not much
34:43 <hsn993> https://photos.app.goo.gl/uFMAEMfKjdpFmmu99
35:00 <rust_collector> hsn993 has quit (Connection reset)
35:18 <hsn993> * Disconnected ()
35:31 <rust_collector> hmm, 3"-ish?
35:55 <hsn993> d
36:13 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: What's this Windows History stuff and can I just delete it? https://t.co/TvVNyyXEjD
36:35 <hsn993> 128x64 pixels are big though
38:13 <hsn993> i cant access the drive currently
38:36 <hsn993> so i dont know how much it suppose to be
38:57 <hsn993> but from corner to adjacent corner 3.5"
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39:34 <hsn> this is getting irritating
40:09 <hsn> I will go up on roof and explode on the router
44:50 <hsn> but I think it aready did
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45:08 <hsn> hello, Lemon
45:08 <EEVBlog> Hello there, hsn!
45:20 <Lemon> hello there
45:33 <hsn> areyou perfect, today, my small unicorn?
46:40 <hsn> I wish much happiness to your little nose
46:52 <Ysjoelfir> hsn, yeah, thats pretty normal for companies like that. I once ordered samples from trinamics and they were constantly like "maybe you want to share how you are doing!?!?!?!??!?!!!!!1111one" until I told them to STFU
47:07 <Lemon> well the doggo isnt at its best
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47:35 <rust_collector> mmh
47:38 <Lemon> hey thats illegal
48:14 <Ysjoelfir> XD
49:40 <rust_collector> i go explode right now mr sir
49:57 <Ysjoelfir> yes, please do that
50:02 <rust_collector> *piff*
50:13 <rust_collector> aaw
51:39 <Ysjoelfir> I remember a german.... erm.... sketch (?). two idiots talking in absolute excitement about a silvester fireworks exploding things. its like "should I ignite it now!?" - "yes ignite it!" - *small, tiny piff* - "CRAZY!"
52:27 <rust_collector> good times
52:37 <Ysjoelfir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8cMwIg2eaQ
52:55 <Ysjoelfir> I think its not as funny if you don't understand german, but meh
53:19 <rust_collector> well, it was certainly quick and efficient
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57:02 <rust_collector> here we go: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdkWfXUgPE0
57:47 <Ysjoelfir> thats a nice song
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00:30 <rust_collector> not bad. well, it is, but
02:34 <K> meanwhile i am debating myself whether i should spring for probs ~600eur 2TB ssd upgrade to my allegedly oldish (mid-2014) mbp, or just wait till it goes bad somehow, and then get just a new one
02:35 <rust_collector> I mean, it sounds horrible, but it is not a bad song
03:01 <K> it hasn't shown any signs of going bad so far
03:13 <rust_collector> do you need the space?
03:23 <K> yeam, im constantly fighting for gigs
03:29 <rust_collector> well....
06:32 <rust_collector> then it is not much to think about, is it? unless you want to get a different machine some time soon-ish?
07:29 <Lemon> 600 euros for 2tb ?
07:37 <Lemon> its just a regular msata 3 right >
07:43 <Lemon> for a 14' mbp
08:14 <Lemon> you can find one for like, at least half that, or even less
08:16 <K> it is m2 nvme
08:53 <K> 15" retina mbp here
09:04 * Ysjoelfir has around 15 TB free space on his NAS.....
09:19 * Ysjoelfir has only a 128GB M.2 SSD in his workstation
09:22 * Ysjoelfir is happy
09:59 <rust_collector> hmm, let me see
10:19 <Lemon> well honestly
10:26 <Lemon> what do you do with that mbp ?
10:37 <Lemon> because I have both regular sata 3 and nvme in my workstation
10:43 <Ysjoelfir> what even is a mbp?
10:43 <K> 500MB/s reads does spoil you
10:49 <K> macbook pro
10:53 <Lemon> unless you move a ton of 2-3gb files, you wont see a lot of difference
11:11 <Ysjoelfir> ksssssssss
11:15 * Ysjoelfir hisses at K
11:18 <rust_collector> I have used 51G on this thing, lol
11:20 <K> i absolutely do see difference, boot time is ~10s
11:23 * Ysjoelfir backs away slowly from that thing
11:44 <K> on my old 17" mbp w mechanical 7200 hdd it is around a 40s
11:49 <Lemon> man I have a mbp 15 (my fathers one) with a sata 3 ssd in it, it boot in what, 5-6s ?
11:58 <Lemon> I really doubt the nvme will change a lot
12:06 <Lemon> but if you move a lotta files yeah
12:10 <Lemon> or if you work with them
12:10 <K> it already has nvme
12:14 <rust_collector> he already has nvme...
12:22 <K> i just need more space
12:29 <Lemon> yes so even better
12:35 <Lemon> even then, https://www.amazon.fr/Samsung-SSD-970-EVO-Plus/dp/B07MLJD32L/ref=pd_sim_147_3/258-4253929-9339311?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B07MLJD32L&pd_rd_r=44502a1c-14b9-4be3-9be4-193e73008527&pd_rd_w=fHtm8&pd_rd_wg=73VCG&pf_rd_p=d1676309-0565-4fbf-8e11-01f911f79a24&pf_rd_r=M4C8E6XYHTCH2D2F8ZQP&psc=1&refRID=M4C8E6XYHTCH2D2F8ZQP
12:40 <Lemon> 425 euros
12:43 <rust_collector> and it goes well with his stained coffee
12:48 <Lemon> not half, but amazon is expensive
12:53 <Lemon> so you can probably find it cheaper
13:21 <Lemon> I have this exact drive aswell as some 1tb samsung sata 3
13:23 <rust_collector> Ysjoelfir, how can you live with just 128?
13:29 <Lemon> the mbp got a regular sata 3 too
13:39 <Lemon> but I get a faster boot time than your nvme
13:43 <Lemon> thats a bit weird
14:06 <Lemon> the only time when nvme helps is when I transfer heavy shit around
14:11 <Lemon> or if I open a bigass file
14:22 <Lemon> but for loading times/boot time etc, I see what, 1s difference if not ?
14:22 <Ysjoelfir> well, ~60 gigs for windows and applications, 60 gigs for games, work directories are stored on the NAS
14:30 <Ysjoelfir> @rust_collector
14:35 <rust_collector> aye
14:47 <Lemon> but I can understand it, please dont spend 600 on it
14:52 <Lemon> you can get it cheaper
15:05 <rust_collector> I guess 10 is leaner. 7 used tons of space
15:11 <Lemon> if its buyable at 427 on amazon france, its probably cheaper elsewhere
15:33 <Lemon> theres also those sabrent https://www.amazon.fr/Sabrent-Interne-Rocket-Performance-SB-RKTQ-2TB/dp/B0829DZH2W/ref=pd_sbs_147_5/258-4253929-9339311?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B0829DZH2W&pd_rd_r=44502a1c-14b9-4be3-9be4-193e73008527&pd_rd_w=aW1yx&pd_rd_wg=73VCG&pf_rd_p=0baa9522-93fe-4512-9471-0c8d24e13dac&pf_rd_r=M4C8E6XYHTCH2D2F8ZQP&psc=1&refRID=M4C8E6XYHTCH2D2F8ZQP
15:38 <Ysjoelfir> 10 also does that stupid "I keep every version of a driver I ever get"-shit, but its all in all a big leaner, yes.
15:41 <Lemon> people been liking them, even if I stick to samsung
15:58 <K> hm, i should investigate, but iirc there are some compatibility issues
16:10 <Lemon> with the sabrent ?
16:19 <rust_collector> no, with the macbook
16:20 <Lemon> hmmm no idea with a mac os
16:28 <K> with mbp and m2 drives
16:31 <Lemon> but 300 euros is apealing I guess
16:35 <rust_collector> i do not thing the os is the problem here
16:49 <Lemon> its not, but usually macbook comes with mac os
16:51 <K> i am not spending this for my pleasure, this is my primary work tool
17:04 <Lemon> yeah I know what it is
17:18 <Lemon> I should do something with that mbp
17:24 <Lemon> its a nice machine, I just have no use for it
17:31 <Lemon> my father loved it, for some reasons
17:38 <Lemon> but he was a unix person
17:39 <rust_collector> put windows on it. they say windows runs best on a mac
18:07 <rust_collector> or... you could do something useful with it
18:16 <K> in the long run - the 2300 spent on it 6 years ago have long been repaid, in spades
18:20 <Ysjoelfir> like putting it into the trash?
18:40 <Lemon> its a really good machine Ysjoelfir
18:48 <Lemon> even if I dislike apple stuff in general
18:53 <rust_collector> nah, they seem to attract moisture, so keep it on the table, in case you spill something?
18:56 <Lemon> that and the iphone 5s/SE, nothing to say
18:59 <Lemon> it works really well
19:01 <Ysjoelfir> it has half eaten fruits on it. can't be good.
19:09 <Lemon> not even
19:15 <rust_collector> you can put a dell sticker on it
19:35 <K> heh, i keep it on a hardcover LAPP kabel catalog
20:26 <rust_collector> I think macs emit some kind of radiation
20:31 <Ysjoelfir> just add one of those nice, old thick PC case badges you got for every piece of hardware you got. then your fruitbook has "intel Pentium with MMX technology" in it, as well as it being powered by a Matrox Millenium or something like that
20:48 <rust_collector> it makes water based fluids magnetic, and they get sucked into the machine
20:54 <Lemon> voodoo inside
21:18 <Ysjoelfir> always keep a bag of rice around, for added nothingness, right rusty? :D
21:28 <Ysjoelfir> Lemon - yes, that would be great. never seen one of those though
21:33 <Ysjoelfir> (the stickers)
21:33 <rust_collector> yes, I just sprinkle them with salt
21:53 <rust_collector> atom inside
21:55 <rust_collector> yess!
21:57 <K> the 600eur one i've been eyeing is this - https://eshop.macsales.com/shop/ssd/owc/macbook-pro-retina-display/2013-2014-2015
23:08 <rust_collector> with the sata adapter?
23:23 <K> prolly yea, could reuse the old drive
23:32 <rust_collector> ok
23:39 <rust_collector> that sort of makes sense
24:07 <K> probls could be found cheaper, somewhere, but the hassle of fighting with multiple sellers is not worth it in my opinion
24:08 <rust_collector> so it is 500 and an adapter. it is less bad
24:28 <K> will come out to around 600eur here
24:53 <Lemon> id get a regular samsung one, or the sabrent
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25:06 <rust_collector> yes, you would
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25:29 <rust_collector> I will take a look at the local confuser place here, just for fun
25:30 <K> i'll look into it, but the compatibility problems have me cautious
29:11 <rust_collector> nah, nothing very interesting here
30:39 <rust_collector> hmm, they do have expansion cards... is that a thing?
31:54 <K> it has 2 thunderbolt ports
32:03 <K> so in a sense - yes
32:23 <rust_collector> isnt that "usb"
32:35 <rust_collector> this looks like a large-ish card
33:40 <K> wait, what do you mean by "expansion card"? the drive's m2 connector goes to pci express directly
33:59 <rust_collector> https://www.memoryc.com/18751-256gb-transcend-jetdrive-lite-360-expansion-card-for-macbook-pro-retina-15-inch.html
34:15 <rust_collector> I have no idea?
37:05 <K> ah, that is cheating, the sd card slot is quite fast (backed with usb3), but till - "Read speed up to 95MB/sec - write speed up to 60MB/sec"
37:35 <rust_collector> so, it is an sd card... ok
38:06 <K> i wouldnt trust putting daily workloads to sd-card grade flash
38:17 <rust_collector> https://www.memoryc.com/27411-2tb-pny-xlr8-cs3030-m-2-nvme-internal-solid-state-drive.html
38:35 <rust_collector> they say that works in a mac. maybe you can find something like it somewhere
39:03 <rust_collector> nah
39:16 <K> i'll look into it. last time i checked, the owc one seemed safest bet
39:23 <K> maybe things have changed
39:53 <rust_collector> yes, maybe... have a latte and think about it
40:34 <K> nah, no coffee on workdays
41:05 <rust_collector> it is just (soy)milk with a tiny splash of coffee
41:21 <rust_collector> probably decaf, and
41:54 <rust_collector> why would you have coffee on a day off?
42:50 <K> sort of tradition in our household, late/coffee and pancakes for breakfast
43:00 <rust_collector> heh
43:30 <Lemon> ffs..
43:37 <Lemon> my dog got something in h is paw
43:43 <Lemon> its swollen, big etc
43:53 <Lemon> I asked at the pharmacy for something to clean it
44:07 <Lemon> they gave me something, and today the dog is still at the same state
44:10 <Lemon> and he shat some blood
44:30 <K> cut or something stuck in there?
44:32 <Lemon> we go to the vet, he told us we gave him the wrong thing, its basically detergeant
44:35 <Lemon> something stuck
44:46 <Lemon> the fucking girl gave us the opposite thing needed
44:57 <K> that is some shity pharmacy there
45:11 <Lemon> well they are usually fine but for once they fucked up
45:16 <Lemon> I go there every month for my own meds
45:36 <rust_collector> well, if you want to wash something detergent is not that wrong, is it?
46:14 <Lemon> it burns his paw and keep the stucked thing into it
46:33 <Lemon> and as he lick it, and is basically drinking detergent
46:38 <Lemon> hence why he shat blood
46:51 <rust_collector> well, yes, don't leave it on, but... did the box say anything at all?
47:47 <Lemon> no it says nothing, now we are using something else
47:50 <Lemon> but god damn
47:56 <Lemon> why you do that work if its to say shit like this
48:00 <Lemon> and she was so sure of herself
48:01 <rust_collector> oh well. what is it called again. chlorhexidin, isn't it?
48:08 <Lemon> 'daquin'
48:12 <Lemon> now we use eozine
49:46 <Lemon> I respect when people say 'I dont know'
50:10 <Lemon> but I hate it when they say something when its the freaking opposite, you can be wrong when you dont have lives in your hand
50:26 <Lemon> making such errors in the medical area isnt possible
50:42 <Lemon> a friend is also working in the pharmacy
50:54 <Lemon> he makes tons of error, switching stuff etc
51:05 <Lemon> and the worst is that he wont try to rethink it
51:16 <Lemon> he'll just get angry and tell you he's who works in a pharmacy, not you
51:59 <rust_collector> here, they can not give you anything, before they have confirmed with a second person. which is a bit annoying, but it is not a bad idea
52:13 <K> that is not a friend
52:16 <Lemon> thats how it should work
52:23 <rust_collector> well, you can get diapers and bandaids
52:29 <Lemon> well its a friend I know since im born but yeah it pisses me off
52:36 <Lemon> he simply dont pay attention to nothing
52:41 <Lemon> to anything
52:55 <Lemon> is it that hard to read a paper and give whats written on it ?
53:05 <Lemon> I could do it easily without studying for 6 years
58:26 <rust_collector> yep, the one we use says chlorhexidin. in case you need it some time
59:08 <rust_collector> it is the same stuff they used when I ran my finger thru the saw, so it should be pretty safe
02:47 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: 67 days without footy. #nrl is back. https://t.co/U02VEEo5Vx
15:28 <K> otoh you have the presence of mind to not lick it off afterwards (i hope)
15:56 <rust_collector> I would not count on that
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45:27 <Lemon> eozine is safe he can lick it as much as he wants
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06:46 <rust_collector> Ysjoelfir, the dhl van is here now... no wonder it takes time
07:34 <Ysjoelfir> well, that explains it. it needs to go all the way down here again to pick up my watch
09:48 <rust_collector> eeh, noooo, he is here now, you come here
10:15 <rust_collector> address is right, so just start walking
11:48 <rust_collector> and watch... you did not look too closely did you, this is like those old ones you have on the wall
12:32 <rust_collector> https://i.pinimg.com/236x/80/c2/97/80c297e1b19cd39ced878aaf9a74ff23--my-childhood-memories-childhood-toys.jpg
12:35 <rust_collector> you know
12:39 <Ysjoelfir> oh, damn.
12:48 <Ysjoelfir> I think I should start walking
12:52 <rust_collector> you better grow some arms
17:04 <rust_collector> so, I improved the audi a bit more. now I just have to paint some windows on it: https://imgur.com/a/Rl5Zygq
20:24 <Ysjoelfir> I should bring my volvo to your house to get a paintjob I suppose
20:49 <rust_collector> ok, but I am running out of sharpie
20:56 <Ysjoelfir> the right front fender is shedding its clearcoat. but only that single part of the whole car. all others are perfect (in regards of clearcoat)
21:27 <rust_collector> hmmm, they usually let it flake off on the rear hatch. that is interesting
22:10 <Ysjoelfir> the rear hatch is flawless (well, except from the big dent)
23:44 <rust_collector> except for the big hole, it is fine
24:25 <Ysjoelfir> naah. no holes in my car that shouldn't be there. ok, maybe 15 holes in the roof for the light bar and two in the front bumper. but thats all
25:33 <rust_collector> i think... unless I am wrong again, there was some that had a galvanized rear hatch, and I think some had aluminium. i think both was a bit tricky to get paint to stick to. Butt, that is nice
26:07 <Ysjoelfir> I heard that its made from aluminium. maybe I should try sticking a magnet to it.
27:11 <rust_collector> yeah, maybe. not that it really matters, lol
29:06 <rust_collector> well, I am going out to get more plastic padding dust all over everything
30:20 <Ysjoelfir> nice, enjoy :P
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03:44 <Ysjoelfir> hi steve30.5
21:33 <rust_collector> =Ok, I added one more pic. it is not much, but I like the windows, and doorhandles
22:40 <Ysjoelfir> that looks nearly completed!
23:41 <rust_collector> yep, it is getting there
25:37 <rust_collector> interesting that the front and rear joint of the sill is not welded at all, it is just sealed up with gunk
30:49 <Ysjoelfir> I heard modern cars are mostly glued nowadays
31:07 <rust_collector> well, sort of almost
31:14 <rust_collector> lots more than they used to
32:45 <rust_collector> i had an incident with a 1985 civic, that we did some welding on, and the floor was only welded on the firewall, and under the rear seats, so when the fat guy sat down in it, the floor sagged all the way to the ground. it was just glued to the sides
35:28 <Ampera> lol
35:31 <Ysjoelfir> rofl XD
35:39 * Ampera hugs Ysjoelfir
35:49 * Ampera gives a sausage burger to rust_collector 
35:59 * Ysjoelfir hugs Ampera too
36:09 * Ysjoelfir thinks about leaving work soo
36:10 <Ampera> I'm sitting, watching a piece of software slowly lose its shit
36:16 <Ysjoelfir> xD
50:03 * Ysjoelfir is leaving work
50:07 <Ysjoelfir> cu later all
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