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00:01:21 <rust_collector> my earbud just quit working
00:02:25 <K> maybe it refused to listen to trash anymore
00:02:42 <Lemon> :o
00:03:17 <K> just guessin' !
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00:04:46 <rust_collector> harrr harrr harrr
00:05:09 <rust_collector> well, I was trying to play this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KA3diJKcJU4
00:05:39 <K> :|
00:09:08 <rust_collector> I found a pair of sony earbuds, but they sound very.. not great
00:13:37 <Antarez> nothing I ever had from sony sounded great
00:15:46 <K> can't all be that bad
00:16:09 <Lemon> I had some ex1000
00:16:13 <Lemon> they are pretty great
00:16:16 <Lemon> but def not cheap
00:16:30 <rust_collector> I am comparing to half a set of nokia earbuds
00:23:29 <rust_collector> heh, I found a second set of some other model from sony, they are very different.
00:25:28 <rust_collector> yep, these will do. very very loud too.
00:25:47 <rust_collector> maybe I do not have to set the volume to 140% now
00:28:58 <K> hrm, dirt, maybe?
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00:29:35 <Ampera> Alright, I'll burn it down soon, just give me time.
00:30:01 <rust_collector> I doubt there is any dirt in the first sone ones, I just took them out of their baggie
00:30:18 * Ampera squeezes Lemon
00:30:20 <rust_collector> hi Ampera. what are you going to buuuurn?
00:30:31 <Ampera> them
00:30:31 <Lemon> haaaaa
00:30:42 <rust_collector> ooh. nice
00:30:46 <Ampera> how are you doing Lemon, and also collector of rust, and also the K guy
00:31:22 <Lemon> ho im tired, and you ?
00:31:32 <K> i are doing ok
00:31:34 <rust_collector> I just got out of bed. I am still waiting for mr coffee to work
00:31:53 <Ampera> I am on the edge of my seat for my new phone
00:32:09 <Ampera> having money is like being able to have a christmas whenever you want
00:32:17 <rust_collector> right
00:32:20 <Lemon> I played some doom 2 with project brutality mod
00:32:26 <Lemon> and damn I cant get over how good it is
00:32:30 <Ampera> mmm, brutal doom 2, I've never played any of it
00:32:39 <Ampera> it's not Half-Life, so it's not really a decent game tbh
00:32:46 <Lemon> project brutality is a mod of brutal doom I think
00:32:52 <Lemon> I prefer it, its more advanced
00:32:56 <Ampera> a mod of a mod
00:32:57 <Ampera> o.o
00:32:59 <Lemon> ho ttrust me
00:33:02 <Lemon> its insanely good
00:33:08 <Ampera> yeah but it's not Half-Life, so like
00:33:11 <Ampera> why would anyone bother
00:33:12 <Lemon> and im not a fan of mods
00:33:18 <Ampera> well I am a mod
00:33:18 <Lemon> half life is a nice game
00:33:22 <Ampera> and I feel insulted now
00:33:24 <rust_collector> it looks nothing like alex4 either
00:33:28 <Lemon> but id say the gameplay of PB is more, hmm enjoyable id say
00:35:33 <Ampera> More enjoyable than Half-Life?
00:35:43 <Ampera> baldershit.
00:36:03 <Lemon> play it :>
00:36:15 <Lemon> get gzdoom, PB and that new doom music wad
00:36:27 <Lemon> or just type project brutality 3.0 on youtube and watch some videos
00:36:37 <Ampera> gzdoom annoys me
00:36:57 <Ampera> I know it can be disabled, but GL rendering doom is just sad
00:37:36 <Lemon> ho I keep the old look , with enhanced things like some particles and maybe light
00:37:41 <Lemon> but no high res textures etc
00:37:49 <Lemon> it feels oldschool
00:37:54 <Lemon> but so much more enjoyable
00:38:01 <Ampera> doom already has light
00:38:06 <Ampera> euch
00:38:11 <Lemon> yeah but its more dynamic I guess
00:38:15 <Ampera> blech
00:38:39 <rust_collector> I agree with Ampera in this case
00:38:42 <Ampera> if you need something like that play a modern game, doom isn't intended to look good, it's intended to make that fuckin demon motherfucker infront of you cease to exist
00:39:02 <Ampera> Doom 2016 has all that fancy jazz, and is a good game
00:39:06 <Ampera> but if I'm playing doom, I'm playing doom
00:39:23 <Lemon> to each his own :> but have you watched a video to get an idea at least ?
00:39:42 <Lemon> its some small enhancements
00:39:46 <Lemon> that keeps the original soul of the game
00:39:51 <Ampera> I've used gldoom before
00:39:53 <Lemon> no 3d bullshit everywhere
00:39:54 <Ampera> it's not good
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00:40:03 <Lemon> please, watch a random PB 3.0 video
00:40:06 <Ampera> especially when people use bullshit like texture filtering or dynamic lighting
00:40:11 <Lemon> wait lemme link one
00:40:25 <rust_collector> no links on the irc!
00:40:40 <Ampera> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5KYHYs9aUU
00:40:42 <Ampera> it looks stupid
00:40:55 <Lemon> stupid ?
00:40:56 <Lemon> damn
00:40:57 <Ampera> like Ion Fury without any of the care
00:41:29 <Lemon> idk what looks stupid for you but well, opinions I guess
00:41:30 <Ampera> also if that's the actual audio it's deplorable
00:41:49 <rust_collector> no, Lemon it is just a crappy game
00:41:51 <Ampera> bruh
00:41:53 <Ampera> reloading?
00:41:56 <Ampera> in doom?
00:42:09 <Lemon> that actualy balances things yeah
00:42:16 <Ampera> "balancing doom"
00:42:20 <Ampera> alright I'm done
00:42:21 <Lemon> its not trying to be the same as the original doom
00:42:25 <Lemon> it adds variety you know
00:42:33 <Lemon> and its really enjoyable
00:42:38 <Ampera> the entire point of doom is there is no variety
00:42:39 <Ampera> you just shoot shit
00:42:42 <Ampera> and move fast
00:42:54 <Lemon> yeah and here you can shoot even more shit
00:43:04 <Lemon> walking fast, dashing, kicking slicing
00:43:11 <Lemon> you get like, 28 weapons total to play with
00:43:15 <Lemon> that are well balanced
00:43:19 <Ampera> I'd rather play Duke 3D or Ion Fury
00:43:20 <Lemon> so they dont break the gameplay
00:43:23 <Ampera> 28?
00:43:28 <Lemon> I think yeah
00:43:33 <Lemon> 20 at least
00:43:34 <Ampera> good god
00:43:38 <K> heretics!
00:43:45 <Lemon> you obtain it while advancing in episodes
00:43:49 <Ampera> what K said
00:43:52 <Ampera> I'd rather play heretic
00:43:52 <Lemon> theres like 4 tiers
00:44:22 <Lemon> so just because its not original doom its not good ? :>
00:44:33 <Lemon> if it was a totally different game with the same exact gameplay
00:44:38 <Lemon> you'd hate it aswell ?
00:44:56 <Ampera> yes
00:45:04 <Ampera> it looks unpleasant
00:45:10 <Ampera> and the audio and mechanics just look sad
00:45:21 <Lemon> damn, I think you're really the first person I ever heard to say that but ok
00:45:45 <Ampera> I mean especially the audio, Doom had a beautiful soundtrack and effects, why ruin it with some PCM CD audio bullshit
00:46:03 <Ampera> it was so fun to mess around with different MIDI synths and soundfonts to get it to sound different
00:46:19 <Lemon> ive been playing doom since im 4, I made countless wads, I never liked mods at all but this one is really so well made that it actually makes me want to play it, after spending maybe 10k hours on og doom
00:46:29 <Lemon> yeah the music fine
00:46:32 <Lemon> this one aint the best
00:46:39 <Lemon> but check IDKFA album
00:46:42 <Lemon> by andrew hurshult
00:46:55 <Lemon> if you tell me it sucks, I cant do anything for you
00:47:00 <Lemon> you are forever lost xd
00:47:28 <Ampera> I'm so upset by this I'm going to go play some Ion Fury to try to forget I even watched that video, I'm just sad now.
00:47:30 <Lemon> and making new things doesnt make the og game bad :> its just another way to enjoy it
00:47:51 <Lemon> but iron fury is just another duke 3d copycat
00:47:56 <rust_collector> well, if you enjoy making things worse
00:48:00 <Lemon> how can you enjoy it ?
00:48:06 <Lemon> you might aswell play duke 3d :>
00:48:15 <Ampera> because it's excellent, the detail is brilliant, the gameplay is unique, and yeah
00:48:20 <Ampera> it's made in the style of Duke 3D
00:48:28 <Lemon> but theres reloading
00:48:32 <Lemon> in a build engine game ?
00:48:32 <Ampera> not really
00:48:35 <Lemon> BLECH
00:48:46 <Ampera> it's more Duke 3D style reloading, it doesn't really take long
00:48:53 <Lemon> and the gameplay... yeah its a duke 3d with different textures :>
00:49:07 <Lemon> im just being mean, its definitively good
00:49:09 <Ampera> then you've obviously never played it
00:49:18 <Lemon> but I dont understand why you hate so much on PB, its really great you should try it
00:49:21 <Lemon> its quite enjoyable
00:49:23 <Ampera> it looks like ass
00:49:25 <Ampera> it sounds like ass
00:49:28 <Lemon> its not one of those random ass wads
00:49:28 <Ampera> the gameplay seems like ass
00:49:38 <Ampera> and I don't feel like installing gzdoom just to play it
00:49:48 <Lemon> well if you were hating doom, duke 3d etc style of games i'd understand
00:49:56 <Lemon> but its like, duke 3d on steroids
00:49:59 <Ampera> no, they're excellent
00:50:03 <Lemon> with the style of doom
00:50:03 <Ampera> PB is awful
00:50:06 <Lemon> so I dont really understand
00:50:08 <Ampera> if you want a good doom mod play SRB2
00:50:50 <Lemon> ok you were trolling me
00:50:51 <Lemon> I GET IT
00:51:18 <Ampera> no
00:51:21 <Ampera> I'm dead serious
00:51:23 <Ampera> it looks awful
00:51:59 <Lemon> and you actually like SRB2 ? xd
00:52:35 <Ampera> SRB2 is one of the best things ever made
00:52:50 <Lemon> well its one of the things ever made yes
00:52:54 <Ampera> it's absolutely divine, and I've played it for longer than almost anything else
00:52:56 <Lemon> best, I wouldnt say that xd
00:53:08 <Ampera> it's so good and the new SRB2.2 is incredible
00:53:16 <Ampera> even if I miss the good old days of 2.0
00:53:19 <Lemon> I mean I could have enjoyed it with 700mg of dextromethorphan sure
00:54:01 <Ampera> I think you just have awful tastes Lemon :P
00:54:17 <Lemon> well for once I think you have awful tastes xd
00:54:36 <Lemon> PB being horrible ? god damn dude theres like, thousands of doom veteran that loves it and work on it !
00:54:47 <Lemon> I never encountered ONE people that shat on it like you did xD
00:54:54 <Lemon> and im the kind of person that usually hate doom mods
00:55:03 <Lemon> and praise this game on how it is
00:55:03 <rust_collector> you don't see many people, do you?
00:55:05 <Lemon> without mods
00:55:05 <Ampera> it looks nothing like doom
00:55:14 <Ampera> it sounds awful
00:55:16 <Lemon> SRB2 neither :>
00:55:19 <Lemon> even less xd
00:55:20 <Ampera> it has weapon reloading
00:55:29 <Ampera> well SRB2 is a total conversion, and tries to be nothing like doom
00:55:29 <Lemon> and ? :>
00:55:33 <Ampera> it uses engines
00:55:34 <Lemon> it feels good !
00:55:38 <Lemon> thats the thing
00:55:40 <Ampera> reloading slows shit down
00:55:44 <Lemon> weapons are well designed
00:55:49 <Lemon> they all feels great
00:55:51 <Ampera> it adds complexity to what should be a simple experience
00:55:53 <Lemon> you can dual wield them
00:55:59 <Lemon> doom aint simple
00:56:00 <Ampera> 28 weapons is way too much for doom, where you have a shotgun, rocket launcher, and that's about it
00:56:06 <Ampera> of course it is
00:56:06 <Lemon> if you play on lower skills yeah
00:56:11 <Ampera> move forward
00:56:13 <Ampera> shoot anything that moves
00:56:14 <Lemon> but try some uvmax or nm100
00:56:21 <Lemon> and come back telling me its simple :>
00:56:28 <Lemon> you should maybe play more doom then :P
00:56:32 <Ampera> yeah try that where you have to pause so you can shove more fucking mags in your gun
00:56:42 <Ampera> and yeah, it is simple, and yeah I have played it
00:56:45 <Ampera> simple != easy
00:56:53 <Ampera> simple means there's not much to it, and that's what makes doom great
00:56:54 <Lemon> but its far from being simple
00:56:57 <Ampera> you can pick it up and play it
00:56:58 <Lemon> theres tons of mecanics in doom
00:57:03 <Ampera> of course
00:57:03 <Lemon> yeah PB too
00:57:07 <Lemon> I mean, whats hard ?
00:57:10 <Lemon> whats complicated ?
00:57:18 <Lemon> you just have more choices
00:57:19 <Ampera> weapon reloading
00:57:21 <Lemon> more things to kill
00:57:32 <Lemon> wow dude get over it, its not like it takes 2 hours to reload
00:57:37 <Ampera> I don't like it
00:57:41 <Lemon> yeah ok
00:57:42 <Ampera> it's not in Doom 2016 for a reason
00:57:44 <Lemon> I can understand that
00:57:53 <Ampera> mate, if you like PB that's fine
00:57:55 <Ampera> but I don't
00:57:56 <Ampera> it looks like crap
00:57:59 <Lemon> doesnt make it the worst thing ever like you are describing it
00:58:03 <Ampera> it is
00:58:06 <Lemon> it doesnt look like crap xd ffs
00:58:09 <Ampera> I've never seen a doom mod that was worse
00:58:09 <Lemon> if it looks like crap
00:58:11 <Ampera> not even chex quest
00:58:19 <Lemon> just throw every doom like games of that era
00:58:27 <Lemon> man seriously
00:58:27 <Ampera> it doesn't look anything like doom games of that era
00:58:41 <Lemon> 'I've never seen a doom mod that was worse'
00:58:51 <Lemon> you havent seen much doom mods :>
00:58:55 <Ampera> the weapons look like something out of a bad duke ripoff, the reloading is from a different era, the damn dynamic lighting and gl rendering is just nasty
00:59:27 <Lemon> dude most weapons could have been made by creators themselves
00:59:36 <Lemon> in fact romero himself love this mod
00:59:38 <Lemon> and support it
00:59:42 <Lemon> so idk what you on xd
00:59:45 <Lemon> disliking it is one thing
00:59:53 <Lemon> but shitting on it like its something made by a 3 y/o
00:59:55 <Ampera> good for romero
00:59:56 <Lemon> its another
01:00:14 <Lemon> sprites are really well made
01:00:19 <Lemon> you dislike reloading alrighty
01:00:22 <Lemon> you can even disable it I think
01:00:29 <Lemon> music, same
01:00:34 <Lemon> you can put wahtever you like
01:00:44 <Ampera> then I don't see what it offers over normal doom
01:00:46 <Lemon> but saying sprites looks like shit, or sounds are bad, or whatever
01:00:50 <Ampera> or a traditional doom mod
01:00:55 <Lemon> then you should play it :>
01:01:03 <Ampera> I do not wish to
01:01:05 <Lemon> its much faster, much harder or some parts
01:01:09 <Lemon> monsters are different
01:01:19 <Lemon> gibbing stuff is just ultra enjoyable
01:01:31 <Lemon> like headshotting shit in ion fury
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01:02:08 <Lemon> you can replay doom1/2 episodes and rediscover them
01:03:54 <rust_collector> do you have time to write all this, while... uuh, game things
01:04:46 <Ampera> Lemon, you're allowed to enjoy things that aren't very nice without going on rants about them
01:05:00 <Ampera> if you have bad tastes and enjoy drivel, that's alright, I won't blame you, I'll just blame the mod.
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01:06:47 <Lemon> but thats where you are wrong, you can dislike stuff, but saying others got bad tastes when you are probably the only one or maybe two out there in front of tens of thousands of people who like it, thats a bit weird dont you think ? :>
01:06:54 <canadaguest> some boring sky this is today .. all grey and grey . with rain on n off :-s
01:07:06 <canadaguest> oh well still had to go out for a while this morning etc
01:07:14 <Lemon> I dislike some stuff but I know they are good, its just not my taste
01:07:17 <Lemon> you see ?
01:07:18 <canadaguest> and hi lemon & anyone else not asleep :)
01:07:23 <Lemon> hi canadaboi
01:07:49 <Lemon> theres things that are obviously bad, because of the lack of work, ambition, and most if not all people will agree
01:07:59 <Lemon> but on the case of that mod, sorry it isnt
01:08:11 <Lemon> you just dislike it, and thats fine
01:08:14 <Ampera> Lemon, it's alright
01:08:27 <Ampera> some day you will get better
01:08:32 <canadaguest> so I'm just wondering but is it only special extralow-emi usercases (especially some audios) or is there still other reasons for wanting to put tiny capacitors before the transformer and/or in parallel with the rectifier diodes themselves?
01:08:39 <Ampera> I don't know what they did to you, but obviously they infected your mind somehow
01:08:49 <canadaguest> I mean it looks like I don't quite need them as far as the final output goes but I was wondering
01:08:50 <Ampera> but I know you're strong enough to know better
01:08:50 <Lemon> sure :>
01:10:08 <canadaguest> heres what I meant on the capacitor-diode aspect https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-96bb2496c2357865325f69709eaba2e8
01:11:50 <coppice> without the capacitors the noise from high current diodes can be huge, so the EMI can be pretty bad
01:13:06 <canadaguest> oh, I see
01:13:28 <canadaguest> mm I can think of audio amps easily and maybe some other uses too. so thanks coppice
01:13:52 <K> i figure that is sort of a snubber for the pn juction charge change unpleasantness
01:16:55 <canadaguest> would 4 amperes be considered 'high current diodes' or not quite yet? :)
01:18:51 <K> 4 amperes for what? peak or continuous?
01:19:28 <canadaguest> sorry, I sometimes forget about that. continuous
01:22:19 <K> low-mid in my book
01:22:42 <K> https://lv.farnell.com/w/c/semiconductors-discretes/diodes/bridge-rectifier-diodes?ost=diodes
01:23:24 <canadaguest> ty K I thought it wasn't high either
01:24:27 <K> aplogies, that was complete bridge modules, here are diodes - https://lv.farnell.com/c/semiconductors-discretes/diodes/fast-ultrafast-recovery-rectifier-diodes?forward-current-if-av-=4a
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01:29:52 <canadaguest> anyway enjoy your time (whatever zone it is in..!) you four, I'm going to see what to be able to have for lunch here then a nap after that
01:30:00 <canadaguest> :)
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01:30:46 <T3sl4> Ampera, https://youtu.be/U_wFkpuCKXU?t=164
01:31:06 <Ampera> T3sl4, yes.
01:34:07 <K> lol @subtitles in russian on the last frames
01:41:50 <rust_collector> hmm, kid#3 made lasagna.
01:42:06 <K> will it do?
01:42:20 <rust_collector> it is what it is, so... it has to
01:43:06 <rust_collector> she is trying to be vegetarian, and do not like cooking things more than they have to
01:43:42 <rust_collector> so. it is different. she makes things well, but just not like I think they should be, lol
01:43:42 <Ampera> rust_collector, that sounds like a recipe
01:43:46 * Ampera puts on sunglasses
01:43:48 <Ampera> for disaster
01:44:22 <rust_collector> any lasagna is a disaster for me. I will just have a little bit, then eat something else later
01:46:03 <rust_collector> it is actually very good this time
01:46:26 <rust_collector> which is a shame. as I can only have a little bit, lol
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03:28:45 <imakethings> I need help with a 4x4mm SMD package land design
03:30:18 <imakethings> the big solder pad in the middle is not connected to anything but it physically holds the part to the PCB. the problem is that Analog Devices will not provide dimensions for the pin 1 indicator part of JEDEC95 but not found on jedec site
03:30:34 <imakethings> https://www.mouser.com/datasheet/2/609/AD7949-1551409.pdf
03:31:12 <imakethings> they do not match https://www.analog.com/media/en/package-pcb-resources/package/pkg_pdf/ltc-legacy-qfn/QFN_20_05-08-1710.pdf
03:31:48 <imakethings> MO-220-WGGD-11 is not found on the jedec website
03:34:29 <imakethings> I have a rounded square for tCream pulled back 0.0865mm on all 4 sides. that is just a hack so not sure if good.
03:35:44 <imakethings> not sure if tStop, Top, tCream all need to have that pin 1 cutout or not. don't want solder past lifting a component off the PCB because the part land does not match.
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03:54:13 <Guest|81559> I have a very novice question. I have a fluke 189 that reads 90.8 Mega ohms with no leads connected. Under "AUTO" it states "UC AL". Why is it doing this and is my meter fried?
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04:10:20 <imakethings> with no leads connected, what did you expect for isolation? the datasheet probably lists it as > 50M Ohms. check the datasheet and read the manual. all the information is there.
04:12:04 <T3sl4> hhahaha they show the inputs being grounded (fig23)
04:18:08 <T3sl4> imakethings: EP isn't connected but it can be grounded, which probably helps noise too
04:18:55 <T3sl4> what dimensions are you looking for? the notch on the pad? don't worry about it, just use a rounded rectangle of equal size
04:19:31 <T3sl4> usually paste is pulled in a bit on the middle pad too, just because there's so much area and little thickness needed
04:20:12 <T3sl4> or made in a fenestrated pattern, fabs usually do that for you as well since big openings don't fab well
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04:24:32 <Lemon> bonsoir
04:24:47 <Andre> bonsoir
04:25:32 <imakethings> perfect thanks. spent almost an hour on hold with analog devices then they hung up on me.
04:25:58 <imakethings> I have it pulled back. the fab can make the pattern.
04:26:03 <Lemon> them mofos
04:26:16 <imakethings> same with silicon labs
04:26:21 <imakethings> all in boston
04:30:09 <Lemon> according to my pro maths, the fluke 4,096M resistor I have, which is supposed to be 0.1%, is actually 0.0075%
04:33:33 <imakethings> what confidence interval or what tolerance is your measurement?
04:34:22 <Lemon> well, im measuring it with an hp 3456a which seems to be well withing cal (yes I know) :> it measures 4.09630 -6 ohms
04:34:33 <Lemon> and its specs for that range hmmmm
04:34:46 <Lemon> should be low 0.00X if I remember right
04:35:02 <Lemon> I could verify that with the fluke 8502a while im at it
04:35:11 <Lemon> but yeah its far from being 100% accurate
04:35:26 <Lemon> I need some calibrated resistors to cal those dmms
04:35:40 <Lemon> I contacted edwin pettis but he got much work those days
04:36:09 <Lemon> and I spent too much on some incoming projects, anyway
04:36:35 <Lemon> one includes tons of resistors for a 9 decade box (+ thousands of nice 1% 25ppm resistors, in like 150 different values)
04:36:41 <Lemon> and a 4 channel voltmeter
04:36:55 <Lemon> I grabbed a 0.005% vishay 1K for 8 euros too
04:42:17 <imakethings> I always wanted a proper decade box with self cleaning switches. on ebay they have them tested and marked with %4 as the worst error
04:42:37 <Lemon> self cleaning switches ? ;o never heard of those !
04:42:45 <imakethings> the real ones that are in spec are like $900 with damage to the knobs
04:42:54 <Lemon> I bought some thumbwheel switches, silver plated ones
04:42:55 <imakethings> $1400 for a good decade box
04:43:00 <Lemon> damn !
04:43:13 <imakethings> self cleaning switches are required for a decade box
04:43:17 <Lemon> mine will be 9 decades, from 1R to 999M
04:43:33 <Lemon> with mostly 0.1% yageo 15ppm/c resistors
04:43:43 <Lemon> and some 1% 25ppm for 100M, 10M and 1R
04:43:45 <imakethings> a $1400 adjustable resistor yeah you better have those self cleaning switches. these are $2000 new
04:44:13 <Lemon> do you have a link of those you have in mind ?
04:44:14 <imakethings> 4mm banana post is self cleaning also
04:44:16 <Lemon> im interested to see
04:44:28 <Lemon> for banana posts I just bought some gold plated ones
04:44:38 <Lemon> it wont be the ultra duper super precise decade box
04:44:47 <Lemon> but I want to use it for some prototyping, thats all
04:44:52 <Lemon> it will be fine enough
04:45:06 <Lemon> 9 decades with such stability/quality for under 120 euros is nice
04:49:03 <imakethings> https://www.tequipment.net/Yokogawa2786.html
04:49:53 <imakethings> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000073139731.html
04:52:49 <Lemon> hmmm 0.05% tolerance and -5+10PPM/C resistors in the decadebox
04:53:03 <Lemon> I expected better for 3k euros :>
04:53:08 <Lemon> but its beautiful nonetheless
04:53:21 <imakethings> you pay $1000 for calibration
04:53:22 <Lemon> ha the cheap one, I got it !
04:53:27 <Lemon> its funny for 2 euros :>
04:53:32 <Lemon> but why it cost that much ?
04:53:37 <Lemon> switches ?
04:53:47 <Lemon> and by selfcleaning, how does it work exactly ?
04:53:52 <imakethings> the self cleaning switches are $150 each
04:54:11 <Lemon> but is it really worth it honestly
04:54:24 <Lemon> if you use 0.001% 1ppm/c resistors yeah ok
04:54:33 <imakethings> they are hand made by highly trained technicians. they are built to high standards, they are inspected, calibrated, and warranty
04:54:51 <Lemon> yeah but even then
04:55:00 <Lemon> I understand, quality got a cost but 3k man
04:55:07 <Lemon> 1k wouldnt surprise me
04:55:12 <Lemon> 3k seems a bit steep
04:55:15 <imakethings> you can't sue ebay because your calibrated thing was not calibrated
04:55:40 <imakethings> if you buy from some company you are paying for all the extra insurance
04:55:50 <Lemon> yeah I get that ! its totally normal
04:56:14 <Lemon> but still, for me its a tad too high
04:57:15 <Lemon> its like those IET decade boxes
04:57:24 <imakethings> yeah and genradio
04:57:25 <Lemon> they ask like 600 to 800 dollars for them
04:57:31 <Lemon> and man they got nothing special at all
04:57:39 <Lemon> im not even talking about dave's video
04:57:48 <Lemon> I thoropughly looked
04:57:51 <Lemon> wow
04:57:55 <Lemon> thoroughly
04:58:04 <imakethings> I would be in at %1 for $900
04:58:13 <Lemon> but for me, its not worth much more than 200 dollars
04:58:16 <imakethings> but they do not exist
04:58:29 <Lemon> they use 0.1% I think
04:58:32 <Lemon> in their 6-7 decades
04:58:45 <imakethings> 7 switches x $150 if I build my own
04:58:55 <imakethings> + resistors
04:59:07 <Lemon> im pretty sure those silver/gold plated USSR thumbwheels you can get on ebay works the same
04:59:23 <Lemon> if its for a 0.01 ohm difference anyway
04:59:27 <Lemon> does it really matter ?
04:59:40 <Lemon> they state 0.5ohms
04:59:48 <Lemon> for the whole box without anything connected
04:59:53 <Lemon> im sure I can achieve that
04:59:59 <imakethings> I only go down to 1 Ohm but I need < %1 on everything or I don't want it
05:00:14 <Lemon> yeah like the one im building
05:00:24 <Lemon> the only 1% ones are 1R, 10M and 100M
05:00:27 <Lemon> rest is 0.1%
05:00:35 <Lemon> but its more the tempco thats important I think
05:00:40 <Lemon> and overall stability
05:00:50 <imakethings> I mean I need %1 all the time cumulative
05:01:05 <Lemon> because even with 0.1%, your 10k will still be 1001Xk
05:01:07 <imakethings> so it would be made with %0.1 probably
05:02:07 <Lemon> im pretty sure their 600-800 bucks box cost them what, 50 bucks in material, 2-3 hours of work at best
05:02:18 <Lemon> probablt much less in fact
05:02:46 <Lemon> I dont buy the 'self made best thumbwheel switches ever'
05:02:50 <Lemon> same for their resistors
05:03:05 <Lemon> they look suspciously like yageo's that I bought, exactly the same looks/specs
05:08:09 <Lemon> anyway I find it funnier to build my own tools
05:08:13 <Lemon> especially when its cheaper
05:09:16 <imakethings> I'm guessing that anything in japan will be expensive when it is exported
05:10:18 <Lemon> I cant speak for that, but in france I do pay a lot for some stuff, especially if it comes from the US
05:16:48 * Ampera throws an orange at Lemon
05:17:10 <Lemon> *dodges
05:18:54 * Ampera throws a lime at the wall, such that it ricochets and smacks Lemon in the back of the head
05:19:12 <Lemon> jokes on you, theres no wall !
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05:58:17 <rust_collector> yaay! I haz an audi outside again. but it is one I remember talking about, lol
05:59:26 <rust_collector> I will need earhole pluggers tomorrow, plenty of audi to cut away, before I get to something close to steel.
06:11:39 <Lemon> hey rusty look https://www.ebay.fr/itm/2-2-kOhm-10W-Russian-Precision-Wire-Wound-Resistors-18-pcs/401288210270 more russian stuff
06:13:01 <Lemon> shipping is really high, thats a shame
06:38:00 <rust_collector> no no, those are soviet
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15:35:37 <Ysjoelfir> hello all
15:35:38 <EEVBlog> Hello there, Ysjoelfir!
15:35:52 <Ysjoelfir> Hello EEVBlog Bot
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15:36:28 <rust_collector> evenight Ysjoelfir
15:36:42 <Ysjoelfir> moin rusty
15:36:52 <rust_collector> oh yes
15:37:00 <rust_collector> that is what they say
15:37:21 <rust_collector> I say it is late, and time for noodles
15:37:35 <Ysjoelfir> noodles sounds like a great idea.
15:37:51 <rust_collector> not really, but you have to eat what you have, right?
15:37:55 <Ysjoelfir> even though, I'll have a cup of Yuzu Tea and some tomatoes (not rotten)
15:38:01 <Ysjoelfir> I like noodles.
15:38:14 <rust_collector> yeah, they are ok
15:40:11 <rust_collector> well, I am looking at coreutils today, yesterday. I have to relearn just about everything
15:40:33 <Ysjoelfir> I have no clue what that is
15:40:52 <rust_collector> http://www.gnu.org/software/coreutils/manual/coreutils.html
15:42:05 <Ysjoelfir> I have to scroll like 120 times to even pass the index. no thanks, I don't need it.
15:42:09 <rust_collector> I have not used many of them in years. I do use cat and ls, and such, but not much more
15:43:26 <Ysjoelfir> I decided to become a hipster and get myself a slightly less dumb watch
15:45:26 <rust_collector> I am sorry to hear that. how is your beard and shirt doing? I have to admit I had a feeling this would happen, when you started talking about your fancy underpants lemon tea, and that other spoiled tea you like.
15:47:18 <Ysjoelfir> haha :D Nah, I just had a talk with my doctor if that could be beneficial in monitoring my blood pressure problems as I noticed that the stron increases usually come with a sharp increase in heart rate
15:48:02 <Ysjoelfir> she was like "well... you are right, that could be interesting to monitor, maybe we could find some reasons why it shoots up"
15:48:04 <rust_collector> mmmmh, you have a sticky regulator
15:48:12 <Ysjoelfir> yeah, basically
15:48:21 <Ysjoelfir> the governor isn't working correctly ;P
15:48:36 <rust_collector> how german of you, lol
15:48:44 <rust_collector> oh man. well,
15:48:58 <Ysjoelfir> haha ^^ also, I decided for a scandinavian brand. It's a Skagen!
15:49:17 <Ysjoelfir> https://www.skagen.com/de-de/smartwatch-hr-falster-3-leder-skt5201
15:49:25 <rust_collector> ok, I take it it is produced in china?
15:49:30 <Ysjoelfir> (but not for that insane price)
15:49:31 <Ysjoelfir> yes
15:50:01 <rust_collector> 404... not found uk, it says
15:50:32 <Ysjoelfir> I was slightly disappointed about it being made in china, but I understand that you can't produce hightech stuff for a reasonable price in any europe country
15:50:38 <Ysjoelfir> wutt?
15:51:04 <rust_collector> meh, at least it looks like a clock
15:51:32 <Ysjoelfir> interesting, the leather band version I bought isn't available outside germany, maybe thats why it gives you a 404?
15:51:34 <Ysjoelfir> try that https://www.skagen.com/en-us/smartwatch-hr-falster-3-gunmetal-gauge-mesh-skt5200
15:52:24 <rust_collector> yeh
15:52:35 <rust_collector> dat werks
15:54:44 <rust_collector> http://www.catb.org/~esr/writings/unix-koans/nervous.html
15:55:03 <rust_collector> so, how are you going to be late now?
15:56:53 <rust_collector> http://www.catb.org/~esr/writings/unix-koans/recruiter.html
16:03:46 <rust_collector> so, what is the plan for this day?
16:03:56 <rust_collector> I have an audi to take apart
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16:08:23 <rust_collector> what? uhm, space things?
16:12:39 <rust_collector> I feel like having more noodles, but I know it is just a bit too much.
16:12:51 <rust_collector> I will just have this tasty ice cube
16:24:17 <Ysjoelfir> sorry, got some tea and had a little talk with a workmate
16:24:58 <rust_collector> I hope you humiliated him, and he has gone to his little office to cry
16:25:02 <Ysjoelfir> [07:55:02] so, how are you going to be late now? <-- I will manage to be late no matter what :D
16:25:28 <Ysjoelfir> [08:03:45] so, what is the plan for this day? <-- Work work work. After that... unpack my new welder and try it. and hope that the watch arrives today, too
16:25:36 <rust_collector> ok, so that is ok
16:25:50 <rust_collector> do you have any rods?
16:26:12 <Ysjoelfir> sure. I have rods, wire, flux core wire and some CO2
16:26:20 <rust_collector> ok, what rods?
16:26:23 <Ysjoelfir> erm
16:26:26 <Ysjoelfir> orange ones
16:26:31 <rust_collector> yaay!
16:26:35 <Ysjoelfir> wait^^
16:26:44 <rust_collector> they have a number, you know
16:27:06 <rust_collector> If they are generic european ones, you have 6013
16:27:12 <Ysjoelfir> yes, I'm looking for that
16:27:15 <Ysjoelfir> its....
16:27:16 <Ysjoelfir> erm
16:27:35 <Ysjoelfir> "MT-RR6" according to the shop I bought them 2 years ago
16:28:06 <rust_collector> yellow?
16:28:08 <Ysjoelfir> yes
16:28:20 <rust_collector> that is not orange
16:28:29 <Ysjoelfir> I have dischromatopsia.
16:28:32 <Ysjoelfir> :P
16:28:38 <Ysjoelfir> thats actually no joke
16:28:54 <rust_collector> yes 6013
16:29:17 <rust_collector> well, they are not bad
16:29:38 <rust_collector> pretty easy to use,
16:30:23 <Ysjoelfir> they were the ones I used back then. I had the feeling it was pretty ok, even for a beginner like I am
16:30:39 <rust_collector> well, especially for a beginner
16:31:40 <rust_collector> except the slag tends to hide the puddle a bit much, so it is harder to see what the weld is doing, than some rods. but other than that, they are good all round
16:32:38 <Ysjoelfir> Yes, I noticed that. At first I was like "the hell am I doing, It is clearly melting the rod, but where is my puddle!?"
16:33:26 <Ysjoelfir> then it melted through my test piece and lit my wooden planter on fire
16:33:33 <rust_collector> and there it was
16:33:40 <Ysjoelfir> and there it was, exactly :D
16:33:50 <rust_collector> well, you get used to that
16:33:59 <rust_collector> does your machine do tig?
16:34:11 <rust_collector> well, it does, but... is it set up to do it
16:34:56 <Ysjoelfir> I read about some people using it for tig (the touchy touchy striking method), but it's not made to do that.
16:35:23 <rust_collector> ok
16:35:35 <Ysjoelfir> at first I wanted to get a TIG welder, but then I read stuff like "TIG is the easiest way to weld, every beginner can do it, bla bla bla".
16:35:46 <rust_collector> well, sort of
16:35:55 <rust_collector> it is also very slow,
16:37:25 <Ysjoelfir> I used WIG before, worked great, I used stick, worked also pretty good, so.. why bother and add another method if those two work.
16:37:42 <rust_collector> it depends on what sort of thing you want to do. if you want to do a quick patch on your volvo, it is not the best. it would do it just fine, but it would take much longer. and it is more sensitive to wind, and you have to almost clean the parts.
16:38:17 <Ysjoelfir> thats what I thought.
16:38:19 <rust_collector> mig is ok, and fast, and you can train a monkey to do it in 13 minutes
16:39:18 <rust_collector> stick is for the thick rusty crap you find in a field, and for some reason want to stick together
16:39:46 <rust_collector> just scrape off enough mud to get an arc going, and it will work
16:40:19 <Ysjoelfir> hehe
16:40:44 <rust_collector> I have welded in patches on the front fender of a volvo 345 with stick, and it was not the most fun I have had, but it is doable
16:41:39 <rust_collector> Hmm, I do need more sticks. I am close to out of them
16:42:12 <Ysjoelfir> I have roughly 1kg left I think. Should last forever if I think about how much welding I do
16:42:42 <rust_collector> I do like the 319, I think they are called. they do ok on different kinds of metal, like stainless to normal steel
16:43:04 <rust_collector> they are stainless, but they work well on most steels
16:43:59 <Ysjoelfir> isn't a combination of two dissimmilar metals bad?
16:44:03 <rust_collector> yes
16:45:43 <rust_collector> you are not wrong. but some times it is close enough to work. and some times, you just have a spoon to patch up the broken elevator you are in, and that is better than falling 63 floors in a box
16:47:11 <rust_collector> chrysler had a period, where they welded stainless brake likes to regular steel, which had some kind of epoxy coating. they always corroded off
16:48:55 <Ysjoelfir> thats a great part to do stuff like that :D
16:51:15 <rust_collector> well, at least it is a part that get checked most times anything is checked, I guess. and in africa, who cares anyway?
16:51:48 <Ysjoelfir> true
16:54:23 <rust_collector> why do I get so many weird links when I talk to you?
16:54:27 <rust_collector> http://www.pension-maerkische-heide.de/
16:55:48 <Ysjoelfir> I'm innocent! :P
16:56:09 <Ysjoelfir> so you want to visit berlin? XD
16:56:37 <rust_collector> it was not exactly the place I was thinking of, but I guess it is on one of the ways to poland-land
16:57:51 <rust_collector> I am not a city person. I do not know what to do in those places. I just hear about people getting mugged, and raped, and I am not very good at either of those
16:59:35 <Ysjoelfir> Same goes for me. I hate living in one.
16:59:52 <Ysjoelfir> You go to bed, open the window, and feel like you are sitting on the highway
17:00:01 <rust_collector> oh, nice
17:01:28 <rust_collector> is this your house?
17:01:29 <rust_collector> https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/images/attachement/jpg/site1/20170919/b083fe96fac21b2a9ebf01.jpg
17:01:49 <Ysjoelfir> no, but it feels exactly like that
17:02:27 <Ysjoelfir> I can't find any sleep anymore without using earplugs
17:03:01 <rust_collector> that was an interesting house... I like it
17:03:34 <Ysjoelfir> also it's no help that they "modernized" the streetlights in our street from great gas lamps, that only illuminated the walkway, to energy saving lamps that shine in all directions. even straight up into the sky and into my sleeping room window
17:03:59 <Ysjoelfir> absolutely, it looked nice :)
17:04:05 <Ysjoelfir> but seems like its gone now?
17:04:14 <rust_collector> yes
17:05:13 <rust_collector> we got led lights a couple years ago. they are extremely bright. but at least they do light up the road, and not my window
17:06:39 <Ysjoelfir> I miss those nice, orange low pressure sodium discharge lamps
17:07:11 <Ysjoelfir> it was a pleasant light. not great for color perception obviously, but you could see contrasts way better, which is what matters in the night IMHO
17:08:10 <rust_collector> well, with these new things, we only have night, when the power is out
17:09:23 <Ysjoelfir> not sure if I like that though
17:10:04 <rust_collector> on some of the halfway big, but not heavily trafficked roads, we get lights with sensors, so they turn on the light 3-4 poles away, that is pretty neat. then when you have passed, they go back to their dim mode
17:10:24 <Ysjoelfir> that sounds great
17:10:45 <rust_collector> not that I know why they want to light up every damn road these days
17:11:03 <Ysjoelfir> but I assume it costs like 3NOK more per lamp, so it will never be implemented in germany :D
17:11:21 <Ysjoelfir> I have no idea either
17:12:05 <rust_collector> last time I was in germanistan, there was pretty much no light at all.
17:12:19 <Ysjoelfir> when was that? 1740?
17:12:22 <rust_collector> well, in the city, sure, but...
17:12:40 <Ysjoelfir> ah, you were talking about land roads. yes, they are dark
17:12:45 <Ysjoelfir> and some highways, too
17:13:28 <rust_collector> I thought it was so weird, that I could feel the border to netherlands, even if there was no sign
17:13:46 <rust_collector> heh, new country... I can feel it
17:14:03 <Ysjoelfir> xD
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17:19:51 <Ysjoelfir> Hello Stevethreetrillion
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17:20:00 <Ysjoelfir> Hello Eevbot!
17:20:21 <rust_collector> oh, just in time, coffee is ready
17:21:27 <steve30> mmm, coffee
17:22:24 <rust_collector> extra coffee flavoured coffee, it is getting late up here
17:23:56 <rust_collector> since i do not do bookface... this is todays victim: https://imgur.com/a/SwM2Qw3
17:24:34 <Ysjoelfir> thats a cute road.
17:24:46 <Ysjoelfir> what do you have to do with that audi?
17:25:04 <rust_collector> I have to cut the middle part out of it, and put in a new part, lol
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17:25:42 <Ysjoelfir> lol
17:25:55 <rust_collector> it has been badly repaired after a crash, some time ago.
17:26:24 <rust_collector> I will start cutting today, and I hope I get the new piece tomorrow or thursday
17:27:20 <Ysjoelfir> take photos, I'm curious.
17:27:23 <rust_collector> ok, let me take a pic of that cute road
17:28:08 <Ysjoelfir> I expect you to take a pic of just the road surface :P
17:28:59 <rust_collector> it goes all the way to over there: https://imgur.com/a/1X7XiIB
17:29:39 <Ysjoelfir> that looks pretty idyllic where you live
17:30:23 <rust_collector> it is a pretty quiet little road. it was perfect for many years, until someone told the ice cream van how to get here
17:30:31 <Ysjoelfir> XD
17:31:14 <rust_collector> it is so narrow, because they thought it would make people drive slower. But... you know
17:31:47 <Ysjoelfir> yes. people are people
17:31:48 <Ysjoelfir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CpUJD69tqg
17:32:12 <rust_collector> the best result of that, was the time when the fire truck sent a badly parked car flying across a lawn. that was fun
17:32:36 <Ysjoelfir> they would never do that here, sadly. I would love to see such a thing
17:32:37 <rust_collector> they no longer do that, because they have new plastic fire trucks now
17:32:50 <Ysjoelfir> meh. pussies
17:33:38 <rust_collector> I wonder if I can hack the ice cream van, and have it play some good muzak
17:34:04 <Ysjoelfir> try to implement something like that - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZH_9C4bsZ1Y
17:34:33 <Ysjoelfir> people would look pretty irritated I suppose
17:35:33 <rust_collector> I would prefer nyan cat, or the badger song. or my usual trash or other metal
17:35:54 <Ysjoelfir> badger badger badger badger MUSHROOM MUSHROOM
17:36:00 <rust_collector> yep
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17:36:50 <Ysjoelfir> whoops.
17:37:14 <rust_collector> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8gSKjX-Lig
17:37:56 <Ysjoelfir> aaah... good old weebls stuff :D
17:38:27 <rust_collector> yeah, do you feel old now?
17:38:40 <Ysjoelfir> yes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykwqXuMPsoc
17:39:25 <Ysjoelfir> I remember a time where weebl's was a flash website.
17:41:26 <rust_collector> good thing I am not that old
17:41:48 <Ysjoelfir> aaah, come on :P
17:42:36 <rust_collector> hmm, do they have anything on fat-pie now?
17:43:48 <Ysjoelfir> i don't know?
17:44:03 <rust_collector> yes, it has stuff there
17:44:15 <rust_collector> http://www.fat-pie.com/
17:44:38 <rust_collector> https://youtu.be/gkSoAE1bizs
17:46:29 <Ysjoelfir> aah, that fingers thing :X it somehow always freaks me out
17:47:20 <Ysjoelfir> lol :D great news XD
17:49:23 <rust_collector> In the first video there, with the pope...
17:49:41 <rust_collector> they have a nice slopknit poster on the wall
17:50:08 <Ysjoelfir> XD
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17:53:08 <rust_collector> aaah, i like that first one
17:55:35 <rust_collector> jews are hacidic, but the pope is alkerline
17:57:56 <Ysjoelfir> I like that wordplay :P
17:58:57 <rust_collector> I feel I did learn a lot from that video, errm
17:59:15 <Ysjoelfir> I'm not so sure about that
17:59:56 <rust_collector> well, maybe not a lot... but a little bit
18:01:40 <K> hello
18:01:59 <rust_collector> HEY!
18:05:56 <Ysjoelfir> Hello K
18:19:40 <rust_collector> ok, there is no tee any more, is there?
18:19:43 <rust_collector> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kv8_EZrNhpY
18:20:04 <Ysjoelfir> I don't think so
18:22:14 <rust_collector> meh, probably not
18:24:08 <K> depends on your definition of what is 'tee'
18:24:38 <rust_collector> yes
18:25:10 <rust_collector> you should ask kanadaboy when he wakes up
18:25:14 <K> question is - are you brave enough?
18:27:12 <rust_collector> NEVER!!!!
18:27:25 <K> weak.
18:27:51 <K> some tough and weathered norwegian sailor you turned out to be :|
18:28:13 <rust_collector> sailor, eh?
18:29:14 <K> yaeh, aren't all norgies sailors?
18:30:21 <rust_collector> uhm, I guess that also depends on your definition of sailor....
18:31:27 <rust_collector> I did get my boat license. but, I am not sure if I would define myself as a sailor
18:32:08 <rust_collector> we did hear about something something red light one side, and green light other side, and we ate a lot of ice cream
18:34:11 * Halcyon mews at the room
18:34:29 <rust_collector> OHMYGAWDITSACAT!
18:34:34 <Halcyon> Stupid cat
18:34:44 <rust_collector> FSSSSSHHHHHH!!!!!!
18:34:50 <Halcyon> *reow*
18:34:54 <K> it's that homeless one again
18:34:59 <rust_collector> hey!
18:35:00 <K> didn't we throw him out
18:35:12 <Halcyon> How are we all?
18:35:14 <rust_collector> no, still in the fridge
18:35:21 <K> ok
18:35:25 <K> we are ok.
18:35:35 <rust_collector> still sarcastic and in general annoying
18:35:57 <Halcyon> Gents, what do you guys suggest in terms of creating an "image" of a Windows 7 build? It's been ages since I've done one
18:36:14 <Halcyon> It's rather not image the whole disk and end up with a giant file
18:36:49 <rust_collector> something to reimage that same computer?
18:37:47 <Halcyon> Basically yes, I want to create a base image complete with all the updates and software etc... so I don't have to go through 4 days of Windows updates again
18:38:13 <Halcyon> Last time I used machine images, it was using Norton Ghost
18:38:21 <rust_collector> HAH! they will find a way to make you do those anyway
18:38:30 <rust_collector> and it will take a week this time
18:38:43 <K> my exp with moving windows across disk drives is abysmal
18:40:38 <rust_collector> I used... some tool that came with hirens, I think, or just dd, but that did include all the files. I am not sure...
18:43:20 <Halcyon> Activation I suspect will become an issue too at some stage
18:43:28 <Halcyon> Right now I can still activate Windows 7
18:47:18 * steve30 meows at Halcyon
18:49:46 <steve30> i think i'll have another coffee
18:51:39 <rust_collector> I am not sure how windows sorts its files either? if your crap is in one place, I guess the tool could be told to skip that location (s)?
18:51:53 <rust_collector> isn't this someone you work with should know?
18:52:15 <rust_collector> with a something in there somewhere
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18:56:34 <rust_collector> oh look, there is that guy
18:58:11 * T3sl4 stares at steve30's coffee
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19:01:16 * Ysjoelfir hands T3sl4 some of the leftover instant cappuccino powder he offered steve30 yesterday
19:01:31 * T3sl4 blends it with entirely too much milk and a little sugar
19:01:40 <rust_collector> no no, just snort it
19:01:41 <Ysjoelfir> thats the ideal way to drink it
19:01:45 <Ysjoelfir> xD
19:01:48 <K> "no no, that is not dandruff"
19:02:14 <K> "i wouldn't lie to you, now would i?"
19:02:38 * steve30 curls up around the coffee and hisses at T3sl4
19:03:21 <T3sl4> i see how it is
19:03:31 * T3sl4 scritches Halcyon
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19:16:31 <steve30> coffee was nice :)
19:17:09 <Ysjoelfir> So.... I just received a device we ordert from another engineering company. I am responsible for electrical safety checks, so that thing always lands on my desk. this specific thing arrived here now fore the fourth time. I think I give it a fifth round
19:17:40 <Lemon> waddup bois
19:17:42 <rust_collector> if you are paid to test things that are on your desk...
19:18:31 <rust_collector> it will be fine, until you start reporting that it is similar to the previous 4 times you tested this device
19:20:07 <K> Ysjoelfir, is it baaaad?
19:20:29 <Ysjoelfir> I did. I always send back a report what they did wrong. and they always correct some stuff. like, 2 of the 45 points I mention.
19:20:34 <Ysjoelfir> it is very bad
19:20:42 <rust_collector> good
19:21:17 <Ysjoelfir> since my workmate who ordered that thing is from india, I tend to speak english with him. let me see if I wrote my last list of errors in english, then I can show you HOW bad it was
19:21:46 * steve30 curls up on T3sl4's lap
19:24:14 <Lemon> I said WADDUP BOIS
19:24:28 <rust_collector> sssh! they are thinking
19:25:08 <rust_collector> or maybe they fell asleep
19:25:20 <K> wes ares waitings.
19:25:29 <K> fors the bads.
19:25:52 <rust_collector> I am still thinking about the pope being alkaline
19:25:57 <Ysjoelfir> its partly english, partly german. let me just quickly translate that
19:26:56 <rust_collector> and you wonder why the turks can not get all of your list fixed?
19:28:17 <T3sl4> o shit its dat Lemon
19:32:10 <Ysjoelfir> they got a completely german list from me^^
19:33:11 <K> harsh.
19:33:55 <K> 'oh vishnu help us all, his english is even worse than mine.'
19:41:09 <rust_collector> Halcyon, aomei backupper has an option to "create an image of system partition" which I assume is not the same as the other options, which pretty much says clone a drive or backup files
19:43:10 <Lemon> ho aomei
19:43:13 <Lemon> it works well
19:43:32 <rust_collector> yes, but does it allow you to skip your porn folder?
19:43:56 <Lemon> probably
19:44:04 <rust_collector> I think it does
19:44:43 <rust_collector> I did not see anything that looked like an option for that, in the other tools I looked at
19:44:48 <K> backup as in "must restore to the same drive geometry"? or something more smart and bootable?
19:45:27 <Ysjoelfir> so.... done
19:46:02 <Ysjoelfir> I deleted around half ot the points that are private to the factory.
19:47:21 <Ysjoelfir> I also deleted the parts that were corrected. which were exactly four points
19:47:26 <Ysjoelfir> - Power connector broke off after the second mating cycle. 1.5mm thick acrylic is way to fragile!
19:47:26 <Ysjoelfir> - You can touch the contacts of the braking resistor
19:47:26 <Ysjoelfir> - No earthing on the metal case. The used anodized aluminium profiles are not connected using star washers, just bluntly bolted together using plastic framing parts.
19:47:26 <Ysjoelfir> - Literally NO distance between the 400V 3~ measurement output connectors and the metal frame. The only thing that keeps them from shorting is the aluminium oxide and the anodization of the profiles.
19:47:26 <Ysjoelfir> - Circuit breakers are inconveniently located. The user has to shove his whole arm into the small gap between the Motor and the frequency converter, hovering just millimeters over the blank distribution block and centimeters away from the potentially rotating motor shaft. immagine someone wearing a jacket with wide sleeves grabbing into there, switching the fuses back on, and suddenly the motor starts, grabbing his jacket, pulling him down
19:47:26 <Ysjoelfir> onto the 400V distribution block. That is a death trap!
19:47:26 <Ysjoelfir> - unisolated cable of unknown origin under the frequency converter
19:47:26 <Ysjoelfir> - Very sharp edges on the case.
19:47:26 <Ysjoelfir> - Opening of the acrylic panels way to big and unstable. you can grab into the device without any effort.
19:47:26 <Ysjoelfir> - Acrylic Frontpanel not fitting to the slots in the aluminium profiles - that thing is rattling around, vibrating, shaking,....
19:47:26 <Ysjoelfir> - how do you expect someone to plug 4mm security plugs into a panel made from 1.5mm thick acrylic? I tried it, it broke.
19:47:26 <Ysjoelfir> - Braking resistor (with big red "WARNING! HOT SURFACE!" label) is easily accessible while carying the device
19:47:26 <Ysjoelfir> - No strain reliefe on any cable
19:47:26 <Ysjoelfir> - 3d printed motor mount in horizontal orientation. That thing is expected to have some torque behind it, I doubt it will hold up for long (remember: that thing will be shipped through the world many times a year!)
19:47:26 <Ysjoelfir> - Several cables are mounted so that they are under constant pull/load
19:47:26 <Ysjoelfir> - You can't control the frequency converter as its user interface is facint the rotating motor shaft.
19:47:26 <Ysjoelfir> - litz wires used in screw terminals that are not made to be used with litz
19:47:26 <Ysjoelfir> - what is that luster terminal doing there, under the frequency converter?
19:47:26 <Ysjoelfir> - Cable of the frequency converter is placed snug onto the braking resistor. you noticed the big "Warning! Hot Surface!" label on that thing?
19:47:26 <Ysjoelfir> - screening of the cables of the frequency converter and braking controller are not connected anywhere
19:47:26 <Ysjoelfir> - Most of the time the earthing connection on the devices inside the unit are the shortest wire. Since they aren't connected to any earthing at all that's more or less not a problem, but.
19:47:26 <Ysjoelfir> - All cables are blue. why? why can't you use several colors for several functions?
19:47:26 <Ysjoelfir> - Crimp connections, the feq that were used, are of very bad quality.
19:47:26 <Ysjoelfir> - Distances between aluminium profiles are way to big and inconsistent (some are 4mm, some are 0mm.... )
19:47:26 <Ysjoelfir> - some plastic casing panels are missing
19:47:26 <Ysjoelfir> - all other panels are loose
19:47:26 <Ysjoelfir> - why is the wire from the frequency converter like 10 meters long and wrapped up to a nice coil right behind the motor controller? that looks like a great antenna.
19:47:26 <Ysjoelfir> - some modules are only mounted by one single screw instead of four
19:47:26 <Ysjoelfir> - why is that PCB mounted on what looks like an old piece of scrapwood?
19:47:26 <Ysjoelfir> - why are some metal connections made with wood screws?
19:47:26 <Ysjoelfir> - How did you manage to get rust onto the aluminium profiles?
19:47:26 <Ysjoelfir> - all connectors are red. why!?
19:47:26 <Ysjoelfir> - all connectors are not labeled. WHY!?
19:47:26 <Ysjoelfir> - what is that luster connector made for where four wires enter and just three leave?
19:47:26 <Ysjoelfir> - many cables are just routed wildly around the device, why don't you use the cable conduit that we suggested?
19:47:26 <Ysjoelfir> - why is there ducktape around some wires?
19:47:26 <Ysjoelfir> - what is that loose screw for that dropped out of the device the first time I lifted it up?
19:47:33 <rust_collector> K don't make it more complicated
19:51:12 <Ysjoelfir> maybe to make it clear what the device is: its supposed to be a demonstration unit with a BLDC that drives an ASM over a torque/rpm sensor, with outputs for voltage and current of different positions, to show the effects of various load situations
19:51:14 <K> haha
19:51:17 <K> dear lord
19:51:33 <K> >> - How did you manage to get rust onto the aluminium profiles?
19:51:53 <rust_collector> Oh, I can do that
19:51:54 <Ysjoelfir> yes, there is literally rust around some strange holes
19:52:11 <rust_collector> what is a luster connector?
19:52:12 <K> and this >> - why is that PCB mounted on what looks like an old piece of scrapwood?
19:52:38 <Ysjoelfir> rusty - https://c8.alamy.com/compde/ce5mk9/eine-lusterklemme-dabei-stuck-kabel-und-ein-schraubenzieher-ein-luster-terminal-neben-ist-ein-kabel-und-einen-schraubenzieher-ce5mk9.jpg
19:52:39 <rust_collector> i tis organic, therefore it is perfectly safe!
19:52:56 <rust_collector> heh , ok
19:53:48 <rust_collector> so... I mean... is there no one else that can make that thing? find some local kid that likes to play with arduinos and stuff?
19:53:51 <K> why is this thing made by indians?
19:54:06 <rust_collector> they are from turkey, not india
19:54:08 <Ysjoelfir> it is not, it is made by german engineers! XD
19:54:22 <Ysjoelfir> just my workmate is from india^^
19:54:25 <rust_collector> this is not software
19:54:30 <K> ah. i apologise.
19:54:45 <Ysjoelfir> well, I think that makes it even worse, doesn't it?
19:55:11 <K> i'd say it is quite bad.
19:55:16 <rust_collector> maybe you should offer them to visit you, so you can spank them
19:55:30 <rust_collector> but being german engineers, they would probably like that
19:55:37 <K> lock in basement until shit is not fixed
19:55:45 <rust_collector> uhm
19:55:52 <Ysjoelfir> Well, I already offered my boss to build that thing. I think ic could be done in two months. they are working on that for over 2 years now
19:55:52 <rust_collector> it is already not fixed
19:56:34 <K> 2 years
19:56:58 <rust_collector> and because if that, it is getting rusty...aluminimum
19:58:57 <K> it's from tears
19:59:20 <rust_collector> but, do I get this right, that it is ie a rotary phase converter, with variable speed, and some measuring things thrown on top?
20:01:10 <Lemon> https://www.ebay.fr/itm/HP-Agilent-34401A-6-1-2-Digit-Digital-Multimeter/224015789476?_trkparms=aid%3D777001%26algo%3DDISCO.FEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20160801204525%26meid%3D5552cb5b0a3b468494b849e252708244%26pid%3D100651%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D1%26mehot%3Dnone%26itm%3D224015789476%26pmt%3D0%26noa%3D1%26pg%3D2380057%26algv%3DPersonalizedTopicsRefactor%26brand%3DHP&_trksid=p2380057.c100651.m4497&_trkparms=pageci%3Aafcc225b-9f37-11ea-a0dd-2a122987367b%7Cpare
20:01:10 <Lemon> ntrq%3A506cdbb41720a4b68cb4afb2ffd73efb%7Ciid%3A3 a nice deal for who's interested
20:01:41 <Ysjoelfir> [11:59:20] <rust_collector> but, do I get this right, that it is ie a rotary phase converter, with variable speed, and some measuring things thrown on top? <-- it is basically that, yes.
20:01:49 <rust_collector> perfect
20:01:58 <Ysjoelfir> a bit more sophisticated, but the idea is just that.
20:02:24 <rust_collector> well, I like simple
20:03:14 <Ysjoelfir> I just asked my workmate: "Jay, would you be very mad at me if I would send it back again?" - "Is it that bad?" - "Do you like to die?" - "no!?" - "then it is." - "ok, send it back."
20:04:21 <rust_collector> not your typical indian then. most seem to be like "do you want to die?" "no, but it is acceptable if necessary mr sir"
20:04:59 <Lemon> https://www.ebay.fr/itm/Verstellbar-er-Hochlast-Draht-Widerstand-100W-einstellbar-Dreh-Wiederstand/151387748521?hash=item233f69b8a9:m:mhzreems8mNx4bd5S6s-uBA
20:05:03 <Lemon> it looks interesting
20:05:42 <rust_collector> yes, those are interesting
20:05:47 <rust_collector> good job!
20:05:56 <Lemon> I kinda want to build some passive loads
20:05:59 <Lemon> for whatever reasons
20:06:07 <Lemon> yes I have an electronic load
20:06:08 <rust_collector> you would
20:13:05 <Lemon> so my 8502a and 3456a, measuring a fluke 2.01K precision wirewound resistor, agree within 50mOhms
20:15:46 <rust_collector> hmm, people are awake now. I guess I should go out and make lots of noise
20:17:03 <Ysjoelfir> don't forget the pictures!
20:17:14 <rust_collector> eeh, ok
20:17:34 <rust_collector> lots of pitchers
20:18:13 <rust_collector> Lemon, ysjoelfir thinks he does not need coreutils.....
20:18:24 <Ysjoelfir> I have no idea what that is
20:19:47 <rust_collector> you can use it in dos, if you want
20:21:49 <rust_collector> here is an example:
20:21:52 <rust_collector> cat: Concatenate and write files
20:21:52 <rust_collector> cat copies each file (‘-’ means standard input), or standard input if none are given, to standard output. Synopsis:
20:21:52 <rust_collector> cat [option] [file]…
20:22:18 <rust_collector> here is a different example:
20:22:20 <rust_collector> tac: Concatenate and write files in reverse
20:22:21 <rust_collector> tac copies each file (‘-’ means standard input), or standard input if none are given, to standard output, reversing the records (lines by default) in each separately. Synopsis:
20:22:21 <rust_collector> tac [option]… [file]…
20:22:43 <Ysjoelfir> so its basically console commands
20:22:48 <rust_collector> yes
20:22:56 <Ysjoelfir> ah
20:23:01 <Ysjoelfir> that could be usefull I suppose
20:23:07 <rust_collector> it could
20:24:04 <rust_collector> I like how they have one named cat, and one that is backwards, named tac
20:24:21 <Ysjoelfir> yes, I liked that exmple :)
20:26:33 <Halcyon> Fuck still more Windows updates
20:26:38 <Halcyon> I reckon I've rebooted like 30 times
20:26:51 <rust_collector> i told you... one week
20:27:01 <Halcyon> And this is Windows 7!
20:27:20 <rust_collector> exactly!
20:27:45 <Halcyon> They should just release a final service pack once a product goes end of life and be done with it
20:28:00 <Halcyon> That also allows for automatic activation
20:29:58 <rust_collector> there are many things they should do
20:30:25 <Halcyon> It should be part of consumer law
20:31:07 <Halcyon> Once a product is no longer maintained (and actually define what "maintained" means) then any reliance on all online activation must be stopped via an update or patch
20:31:34 <Halcyon> So you could have a copy of Windows XP and still activate it via the patch 30 years from now if you wanted to
21:04:15 <K> at this rate next thing we'll learn that you want a ponny
21:09:42 <steve30> I'm not sure I've ever bothered activating Windows XP. I think I've always used an illegitimate patch.
21:09:57 <steve30> Although I do have a few genuine COAs now from older machines which i 've picked up
21:17:25 <rust_collector> Ysjoelfir, https://imgur.com/a/n7by7g5
21:17:47 <rust_collector> it is a start. just looking for the end of the panel
21:18:12 <Ysjoelfir> that looks pretty rusty :D
21:18:24 <rust_collector> very pretty
21:19:01 <rust_collector> it has been smashed up a bit, and not repaired very well, so this side is all crusty
21:19:01 <Ysjoelfir> reminds me of puff pastry
21:19:09 <Ysjoelfir> meh.
21:19:31 <rust_collector> ok, remind me to never eat at your place
21:19:36 <Ysjoelfir> xD
21:19:49 <Ysjoelfir> I won't serve puff pastry, so don't worry. I hate that stuff.
21:20:07 <Ysjoelfir> otoh, when I convinced myself to try it in a recipe Halcyon sent me, it was actually very tasty!
21:20:26 <Ysjoelfir> but other than that, I don't like it^^
21:20:37 <Ysjoelfir> puff pastry is just.... dry.
21:20:39 <rust_collector> it is good stuff. just not on its own
21:21:28 <Halcyon> Ysjoelfir: Which one was that?
21:23:17 <Ysjoelfir> it was the chicken and leek pie
21:24:56 <K> eek pie
21:25:02 <Halcyon> Oh yes
21:25:03 <Halcyon> Nummy
21:25:29 <Ysjoelfir> K - eel pie could be nice, but what is eek? :P
21:25:34 <Ysjoelfir> Halcyon - oh yes it was.
21:26:05 <Halcyon> Leek is my favourite oniony type vegetable, followed by white onion
21:26:27 <K> https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=eek
21:26:52 <Ysjoelfir> xD so basically screaming pie
21:27:11 <Halcyon> Oh, I submitted a thing to UD the other week: https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Otto%20Bin
21:27:21 <Ysjoelfir> Halcyon - I have leek growing in my planter on my balcony. sadly it decided to bloom. looks pretty, but tastes nasty
21:27:36 <Halcyon> Yeh they do that
21:45:08 <T3sl4> pic?
21:48:00 * steve30 hugs Halcyon
22:05:59 * Ampera sneezes on Halcyon
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22:08:51 <canadaguest> sunny hi to here as usual
22:09:32 <K> the sun will be killing us in no time, i tell you
22:09:50 * steve30 coffees
22:09:53 * canadaguest wonders if K would like to become a roasted meal?
22:10:40 <K> uh, i'll pass, thanks
22:11:39 <canadaguest> anyway I was wondering if anyone might have any thoughts on this: assuming the compressor was rated for that kind of duty could you run a small a/c unit constantly instead of a large a/c unit that would cycle on and off frequently?
22:12:14 <steve30> should be fine
22:16:27 <canadaguest> thanks
22:21:24 * steve30 likes his new air conditioners :D
22:22:44 <canadaguest> well I'm not sure if I want one but just thinking a bit about it for now still. it would have to be quiet in the first place so mm
22:23:19 <rust_collector> I think most home use ac things are pretty quiet these days
22:23:37 <canadaguest> rust_collector except this isn't central here
22:23:40 <canadaguest> so :)
22:23:48 <rust_collector> maybe you can help K with the definition of tee?
22:23:51 <rust_collector> central?
22:25:09 <rust_collector> small split units now sound almost like a large-ish slow fan, about as noisy as a modern fridge, of the type some people have in the kitchen
22:25:25 <canadaguest> yeah if I did decide to add a/c for some reason it would have to be one or two units on the end walls and one of the end i where the bed is as well
22:25:37 <canadaguest> i=is*
22:25:44 * canadaguest stares at the keyboard or my fingers
22:26:05 <rust_collector> that does not help... just saying from experience
22:26:28 <rust_collector> but it is good that you pick one of them to try to focus on
22:30:35 <steve30> My new AC is quiet
22:34:19 <Ampera> I need to buy a new air conditioner
22:34:57 <canadaguest> rust_collector :p to that
22:39:49 <rust_collector> I think I can survive both days of summer up here
22:40:10 <Ampera> hot fuck
22:40:13 <Ampera> today we're having a high of 90
22:40:57 <canadaguest> rust_collector yeah I won't have mind it at all as usual .. but some guests are another thing so .. mm there
22:41:23 <rust_collector> blah blah blah, if it was that bad, they would ne be guests in your house
22:41:33 <rust_collector> not
22:41:57 * steve30 fires the R32 host at Ampera
22:42:01 <steve30> *hose
22:42:07 <Ampera> R32?
22:43:37 <rust_collector> fancy modern stuff, to replace r12, or r134, I guess? or maybe it is a hose with a radius of 32 measurement units, because you never know how they measure things on the island
22:44:12 <Ampera> I'm too tired for this shit
22:44:54 <rust_collector> me too, I skipped my nap
22:48:55 <steve30> I think its intended to replace R410A
22:50:02 <rust_collector> ok, I do not keep up with that stuff. at least it is not propane, I hope?
22:54:12 <steve30> It Difluoromethane
22:57:13 <rust_collector> nice
22:57:43 <rust_collector> ok, I am going to hack up some more fine cherman engineering
23:22:00 <canadaguest> have fun all of you, I'll be offline for now
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23:29:09 <rust_collector> Ysjoelfir, more junk: https://imgur.com/a/HxlJ8uL
23:30:13 <rust_collector> and now, I just about have to stop, until I get the new piece, so I know what I can cut away, and what I have to make, and...stuff
23:30:30 <Ysjoelfir> one sec, toilet is calling xD
23:30:39 <rust_collector> BOOM!
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23:40:29 <rust_collector> BOOOOO!!!! BOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!
23:40:33 * Ampera smacks T3sl4
23:40:34 <Ampera> the fuck did you do
23:40:36 <Ysjoelfir> absolutely!
23:40:36 <Ampera> you broke it
23:41:03 <rust_collector> well, no cake for you splitters
23:41:05 <Ysjoelfir> rusty, that looks pretty hollow. poor car :P
23:41:17 <rust_collector> yes, they are pretty poor
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23:42:47 <rust_collector> yes, just set -r on me...
23:42:52 <Ampera> great, now I have to restart eevblog
23:42:53 <rust_collector> that is fine
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23:43:17 <rust_collector> i wonder if it is hyphen r, or minus r
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23:43:23 <Ampera> dash r
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23:43:31 <T3sl4> it's "no rust"
23:43:33 <rust_collector> maybe I am recursive, or reversed
23:43:35 <T3sl4> it's trying to kill you
23:43:37 <EEVBlog> buh
23:43:47 * T3sl4 licks EEVBlog
23:43:57 <rust_collector> well, if it had any sense, it would be done with that by now
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