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00:28:46 Quit: steve31 ([email protected]) Quit: This user has performed an illegal operation and will be shut down.
00:44:08 <rust_collector> thanks Ampera, it is all anyone has given to me today
00:44:25 <Ampera> I'm planning on having mac&cheese with italian sausage
00:44:29 <rust_collector> hmmm
00:46:31 <rust_collector> italian sausage always remind me of a guy from georgia. well, he is really from new jersey, I think it was. he was "italian" and he did have a thing with asking his wife if she wanted an italian sausage. I think he only got slapped, most of the time
00:48:33 <rust_collector> i should probably send them a message, I have not heard from them in a few years
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03:45:38 <Lemon> hello bois
03:49:38 <Ampera> hi Lemon
03:49:40 <Ampera> how are you doing
03:50:16 <Lemon> hi amp ! doing good thanks, saw my dear beautiful best friend that Id marry in a heartbeat
03:50:27 <Lemon> we fixed her bike
03:50:33 <Lemon> it was sitting in my flat for months
03:50:47 <Ampera> That's nice.
03:50:58 <Ampera> I'm breaking and dealing with broken software
03:51:13 <Lemon> heh sounds fun ! :>
03:58:47 <Lemon> im growing a passion for precision resistors/capacitors
03:58:57 <Lemon> and even inductors, im curious about those, I dont see a lot of them
04:00:20 <Ampera> Lemon, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RLC_circuit
04:00:45 <Lemon> ho I do know those ! im studying them, I kinda want to build a lcr bridge
04:00:53 <Lemon> with a precision known cap/resistor, thats doable
04:01:00 <Ampera> I want to build one to ring a phone
04:01:37 <Ampera> I've just been too lazy and busy
04:31:44 <Ysjoelfir> hi lemon, hi Ampera (again) :D
04:32:31 <Andre> good evening
04:32:33 <Ampera> Ysjoelfir, you're starting to seem familiar
04:32:39 <Ampera> Andre, I wish
04:32:46 <Ampera> 2 hours 30 minutes until I can call it evening
04:33:03 <Ysjoelfir> hi Andre
04:33:10 <Ysjoelfir> Ampera - yeah, that happens from time to time
04:34:59 <Lemon> hi hi
04:38:00 <Lemon> I have a question, for hobby use, we can use old precision wirewound resistors, ssg silver mica caps, what can we use for inductors ?
04:39:06 <Ysjoelfir> well.... take some wire and wind it around a non metallic bobbin?
04:39:26 <Lemon> but the tempco will probably be terrible
04:39:38 <Lemon> is there some old surplus stuff, of whatever wire type ?
04:39:40 <Ysjoelfir> then use low tempco wire, like manganin
04:40:32 <Lemon> I doubt my ability on that one :>
04:40:43 <Ysjoelfir> can you tie a knot?
04:40:54 <Ysjoelfir> can you wrap spaghetti around a fork?
04:41:03 <Lemon> yeah but it probably need to be potted with something, etc
04:41:15 <rust_collector> not really
04:41:23 <Ysjoelfir> why would it? you were talking about home use, not mil spec
04:42:10 <rust_collector> and especially not any important spec...
04:42:25 <Lemon> yeah but I aim at the best I could get for a decent price, like those mica caps etc
04:42:41 <Ysjoelfir> then get some manganin wire and start winding
04:42:51 <Lemon> and I dont have the means to test it with various frequencies :/
04:43:07 <Ysjoelfir> thats not neccessary if you use a non magnetic bobbin
04:43:28 <Lemon> I wonder how genrad do them
04:44:57 <rust_collector> probably very quickly, compared to many
04:52:18 <rust_collector> yesss! burnt wienerschnitzel
04:53:23 <Andre> extra crunchy!
04:53:35 <rust_collector> extremely extra
04:55:36 <rust_collector> dobladora de pletina y varilla
04:56:06 <rust_collector> I should learn 20 words in spanugese
05:37:12 <Lemon> hmmmm theres something weird but nice wiht the fluke 8502a
05:37:28 <Lemon> when I measure a 4,091M resistor
05:37:30 <rust_collector> well, it looks nice
05:37:39 <Lemon> it shows 4.090582
05:37:41 <rust_collector> and it doesn't suck
05:37:42 <Lemon> thats 7 digits
05:38:00 <Lemon> the thing is, this is a 2 500 000 count dmm
05:38:04 <Lemon> well on volts
05:38:10 <Lemon> usually its the same on resistance, etc
05:38:23 <Lemon> so right now it shows me more than 4 milion counts
05:39:43 <rust_collector> I think I will order an uni-t manual ranging bench meter, they are 2000 count. I think they can run on batteries too
05:39:59 <rust_collector> as long as they have room for rgb leds....
05:40:06 <Lemon> you should try to build one, the most accurate possible with the least amount of money
05:40:15 <Lemon> like for the price of that uni t boi
05:40:22 <Lemon> or less
05:40:34 <rust_collector> meh, I don't really want a bench meter.
05:40:47 <Lemon> yeah but it could be fun
05:40:53 <Lemon> its rewarding to build tools
05:40:55 <rust_collector> I have been half interested in one of those process meters
05:41:29 <rust_collector> but, they tend to be uncheap
05:41:34 <Lemon> what are those for ?
05:41:37 <Lemon> I saw some
05:42:30 <rust_collector> well, uhm. I guess reapir and servicing of like... uhm, machines in a factory, or...
05:42:42 <rust_collector> something like that
05:42:44 <Lemon> hmm thats a bit vague
05:45:14 <rust_collector> https://www.fluke.com/fr-fr/produit/outils-d-etalonnage/calibrateurs-de-boucle-ma/fluke-789
05:46:44 <rust_collector> I doubt I will buy anything like that
05:47:00 <rust_collector> but yes, it has some "extra" functions
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05:56:40 <Lemon> ho look !
05:56:49 <_mamalala> aloha everyone!
05:56:54 <rust_collector> NOOOOOOO!!!!
05:56:58 <Lemon> hey ! waddup !
05:57:03 <Lemon> long time no see !
05:57:39 <_mamalala> after half a year of almost no sleep for more than 4 hours?
05:57:49 <_mamalala> welll
05:58:03 <_mamalala> reason won....
05:58:18 <rust_collector> oh, so you are still doing that?
05:58:34 <_mamalala> the stuff i made is no officially going into the, well, official standard
05:58:45 <_mamalala> *now
05:59:24 <_mamalala> the vote was 12-3-1
05:59:42 <_mamalala> 12 for it, 3 against, and 1 absention
05:59:57 <_mamalala> (abstained, whatever it is called)
06:01:23 <Lemon> thats good news !
06:01:53 <_mamalala> i'm drunk as shit ... but i have reason to celebrate
06:01:56 <rust_collector> so, you are looking for a job?
06:02:18 <_mamalala> more than two full years just because of that
06:02:43 <_mamalala> rust_collector: no, unless you have something _really_ interresting
06:03:39 <rust_collector> I thought you finished that job... oh well. and if I find something really interesting... I will take it
06:03:54 <_mamalala> Lemon: how is your clock goimg?
06:04:35 <_mamalala> rust_collector: no job is ever finished
06:05:18 <Lemon> hooo much hapenned since the clock ! I ended playing with ocxo's, a gpsdo etc, then I built a nice thermometer that is accurate to 0.1C, with two decimals of resolution, then I ordered parts for a 4 channel voltmeter, a 9 decade resistor box, also some old mica capacitors, wirewound precision resistors... etc etc :>
06:05:24 <Lemon> got myself a nice hp 3456a !
06:05:32 <Lemon> started to play with gpib
06:06:06 <_mamalala> Lemon: in short: you are fucked... welcome to "the big"
06:06:12 <_mamalala> *bug
06:06:13 <Lemon> shit im poor man
06:06:26 <Lemon> theres so much stuff on the way
06:06:48 <Lemon> I discoverd that the 8502a got a huge resolution on resistor mode, right now I get more than 4 million counts
06:06:53 <rust_collector> and there is so much stuff on ebay
06:06:55 <Lemon> that a bit weird but pretty neat !
06:07:00 <Lemon> thats
06:07:01 <_mamalala> Lemon: no matter what you do, there is more stuff ... always....
06:07:53 <Lemon> yeah :> but for once, Im building things !
06:08:12 <Lemon> I wanted a multi channel voltmeter to log stuff like power supplies, and things where I dont want to use a 6.5 dmm on it
06:08:30 <Lemon> I found a nice 24 bit, 4 differential channel adc module
06:08:43 <_mamalala> :)
06:08:45 <Lemon> a cool box, a tft screen etc and some 0.1% resistors
06:09:03 <Lemon> im aiming at mv accuracy at least, and maybe 5.5 digits of resolution :>
06:09:46 <Lemon> but im still intrigued by the fluke, I never saw a dmm showing more counts in resistance mode than voltage !
06:10:02 <_mamalala> you wont get that out of some random 0.1% resistors, though ....
06:10:23 <Lemon> ho they are pretty nice, 15ppm/c yageo ones
06:10:28 <Lemon> or vishay ?
06:10:31 <Lemon> I dont remember
06:10:42 <_mamalala> so?
06:10:44 <Lemon> im using them for a voltage divider
06:11:02 <Lemon> I'll calibrate them with the 3456a :>
06:11:03 <_mamalala> again: so?
06:11:11 <Lemon> so what ? :>
06:11:23 <Lemon> im just divider the input voltage to 3 volts or less
06:11:31 <Lemon> it should be good enough
06:11:57 <_mamalala> you have a test specumen that is uncertain... measure it against another uncertain....
06:12:13 <_mamalala> *specimen
06:12:39 <Lemon> well I can calibrate those resistors to at least 0.004%, if not better (it probably is, the hp 3456a is still well within cal)
06:12:56 <Lemon> the ref in the adc is a decent one too, 5ppm/C, 0.05%
06:13:05 <Lemon> I can also calibrate it, or use an external one
06:13:13 <Lemon> I aim at a 50v input max
06:13:14 <_mamalala> Lemon: the hp is? i never suspected that
06:13:28 <Lemon> the 3456a yeah its a freaking beast
06:13:42 <Lemon> the fluke is also well within cal ! you wanted to know :>
06:13:44 <_mamalala> but then... it's a damn fine instrument
06:13:46 <Lemon> in resistor mode
06:13:57 <Lemon> its close to the hp, even better on some ranges !
06:14:03 <_mamalala> glad to hear...
06:14:18 <Lemon> if I can get an accuracy to 100ppm, im happy :>
06:14:27 <Lemon> thats shouldnt be hard to reach
06:15:05 <_mamalala> me no care.... you are happy ... more than i expected... that's good enough
06:15:07 <Lemon> thats 4.5 digits, and 5.5 of resolution could be nice
06:15:34 <Lemon> man Im more than happy with those toys ! now I need to communicate to them via gpib :>
06:15:42 <Lemon> now that I have a nice thermometer to log precise data :P
06:15:51 <_mamalala> Lemon: still want some of that nice wine, though....
06:15:59 <Lemon> I want to build a controlled oven, that goes to 60-70C max, to characterize things
06:16:15 <Lemon> ha man, I called twice there, but still no one sadly :/
06:16:22 <Lemon> in june they should be there
06:16:32 <_mamalala> lets hope so
06:17:57 <Lemon> I also want to build a capacitance bridge
06:18:11 <Lemon> well, at least get something accurate enough to measure caps
06:18:20 <Lemon> I have a 0.3% chinese lcr meter that is decent
06:18:24 <Lemon> but that doesnt satisfy me
06:19:50 <_mamalala> you could have a 0.001 lcr meter, and it still won't satisfy you
06:20:03 <_mamalala> you are infected by "the bug"
06:20:06 <Lemon> it would ! im pretty satisfied with the two 6.5dmms for example :P
06:20:06 <_mamalala> :P
06:20:15 <Lemon> im trying to be realistic :>
06:20:25 <_mamalala> yea, right...
06:20:29 <Lemon> I cant get a much more accurate meter now, unless I spend more than I have
06:20:39 <rust_collector> the other day, he actually said something that was...reasonable... he is changing
06:20:42 <_mamalala> so....
06:20:54 <Lemon> the 3456a was a pretty nice deal, and the fluke is a real gift !
06:20:57 <_mamalala> what do you need the morte accurate for?
06:21:29 <_mamalala> "the batteries in my remote are flat!!!
06:21:32 <Lemon> I'd like to characterize caps, and being able to measure them with more resolution, accuracy, and measure tiny values
06:22:26 <Lemon> same things for current, but we'll see later :>
06:22:36 <Lemon> I still havent found a nice electrometer for a decent price
06:23:16 <_mamalala> Lemon: admit it ... you are obsessed :)
06:23:21 <Lemon> ofc I am !
06:23:35 <Lemon> but still, im trying to be reasonnable, because I'll never be happy x)
06:23:44 <Lemon> chasing things that are almost impossible to get isnt healthy
06:23:51 <Lemon> but trying to get the most out of what I can buy
06:23:55 <Lemon> thats way funnier I think
06:24:06 <Lemon> those old russian silver mica caps for example
06:24:20 <Lemon> they are somewhat cheap, I paid like 20 euros delivered for 3
06:24:26 <_mamalala> obsessi0on is 100% against reasonable ....
06:24:26 <Lemon> I'll get them in a week or two
06:24:43 <Lemon> but those are really stable, even more than some genrad standards if treated well
06:24:58 <Lemon> maybe not obssessed then, passionnate :>
06:25:15 <_mamalala> hehe
06:25:28 <Lemon> do you have experience with gpib ? :>
06:25:56 <Lemon> I have everything needed to connect my two dmms, the hp counter and a tek scope
06:26:20 <Lemon> I managed to send a basic command to both dmms to see if they worked
06:26:27 <_mamalala> gpib is simple, as a protocol
06:26:38 <Lemon> and when I connected the hp counter, a 'remote' lighted up
06:26:44 <Lemon> so they all work I think
06:26:48 <rust_collector> I still think your oven should go up to 138c
06:26:52 <_mamalala> you just need to interpret it propery
06:26:53 <Lemon> yeah but I dont know where to start
06:27:09 <Lemon> rusty I dont want to bake things, remember
06:27:19 <_mamalala> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_vy-eWGKSk
06:27:22 <rust_collector> but you can!
06:27:34 <_mamalala> rust_collector: pfff....
06:28:22 <rust_collector> after a long day, measuring caps... you can fry an egg...
06:28:49 <Lemon> I just need some variations to measure the tempco :>
06:29:07 <Lemon> 30-40 over ambient would be fine
06:29:28 <rust_collector> but if you wisit hsn, that means you need it to go to 138
06:30:15 <rust_collector> I was outside most of the day, and I almost died from the extreme heat we have up here
06:30:17 <_mamalala> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bP6B9HttRI8
06:30:36 <rust_collector> it was 17c. I am not looking forward to this summer
06:31:09 <Lemon> for me, 21 is fine
06:31:12 <Lemon> no more
06:31:23 <Lemon> I can live with 18 but no less
06:31:35 <Lemon> in shirt I mean
06:31:42 <Lemon> ofc I live under that but well
06:31:45 <Lemon> its not that comfy
06:32:27 <_mamalala> Lemon: you live in som erusty car.... at least to some extent
06:32:36 <_mamalala> *rusty
06:32:37 <Ysjoelfir> everything between -24 and + 18 is ok for me
06:32:50 <Lemon> nah thats only when I go in foreign lands :P
06:33:01 <Lemon> yeah you are right up to 24 thats ok
06:33:15 <Ysjoelfir> no no
06:33:18 <Ysjoelfir> minus 24
06:33:20 <Ysjoelfir> to plus 18
06:33:27 <Ysjoelfir> plus 24 is way to hot
06:33:29 <Lemon> yea no
06:33:32 <Lemon> fuck that
06:33:32 <Lemon> xD
06:33:49 <Lemon> thats shrinkin ball cold
06:34:17 <_mamalala> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJlo0hWnZWc
06:37:08 <_mamalala> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rC91jIJqOoY
06:37:18 <_mamalala> but then, what do i know...
06:40:39 <rust_collector> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_FbCNpiwvE
06:40:49 <rust_collector> ok, I am going to bed
06:41:48 <_mamalala> rust_collector: why?
06:42:02 <rust_collector> well, it is a hobby i have
06:42:08 <rust_collector> every few days
06:42:54 <rust_collector> I am not sure why, but I tend to wake up around 3-4 or so, and it is not ideal, except tomorrow, because I am going to work
06:43:04 <_mamalala> rust_collector: so? we are all somewhat crazy.... all depends on the point of view
06:44:00 <rust_collector> nah, I am only here to take notes of you crazies..
06:44:04 <rust_collector> OoOps?
06:44:18 <rust_collector> i mean, YesmAybe
06:44:34 <_mamalala> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOqblSqx_VI
06:45:01 <rust_collector> ok, that works
06:46:53 <T3sl4> mmm, gold rum
06:47:01 <rust_collector> I really like some of their older crap
06:47:18 <_mamalala> rust_collector: they did good, for sure
06:47:38 <rust_collector> bike is nice
06:47:42 <rust_collector> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7c0EDM-Yu9o
06:48:48 <_mamalala> rust_collector: ...
06:49:17 <rust_collector> yez?
06:49:56 <_mamalala> let me cobble up a musical reply
06:50:16 <rust_collector> will it have a drawing?
06:50:18 <rust_collector> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPMXt9Me_Fo
06:51:23 <_mamalala> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZP54bClDRw
06:55:03 <_mamalala> hmmmm
06:55:51 <_mamalala> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1bFr2SWP1I
06:59:26 <_mamalala> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9Dg-g7t2l4
06:59:47 <_mamalala> hello darkness...
07:01:03 <rust_collector> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-W-bMiMpqQ
07:01:46 <rust_collector> ok, good night
07:03:53 <_mamalala> oj, now i am https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AHCfZTRGiI
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10:16:19 <Halcyon> Morning all
10:17:09 <steve30> hi Halcyon
10:17:45 <Halcyon> Hey Steve :)
10:18:02 * steve30 meows at Halcyon
10:18:17 <steve30> I think I'll have a cup of coffee, then see about going to bed
10:18:45 <Halcyon> I just woke up
10:19:59 <steve30> Did you see my AC photos on the forum?
10:20:05 <Halcyon> I did
10:20:09 <Halcyon> How's it all working out?
10:20:29 <steve30> Nice :). We've had some hot afternoons this week :)
10:22:09 <steve30> I can have one running on a low speed, and it uses <200W. Having all 3 running flat out uses about 1700W and can be powered entirely by my solar panels
10:30:45 <Halcyon> Nice
10:35:40 <coppice> steve30: those internal units look really big for such a low power air con
10:36:42 <steve30> they're about the same size as any other
10:38:12 <coppice> steve30: interesting that they say Fujitsu on them. In most countries they say General
10:40:22 <steve30> The company name here is "Fujitsu General Air Conditioning (UK) Ltd.". I guess "Fujitsu" is a nice simplification of that.
10:40:40 <Ampera> HALCYON!
10:40:41 * Ampera hugs Halcyon
10:41:00 <Halcyon> Hey Ampera :)
10:41:00 <coppice> steve30: Its Fujitsu General everywhere, but they usually say General on the front
10:41:06 <Halcyon> How are you?
10:41:08 <Ampera> Haven't seen you in a while
10:41:10 <Ampera> I'm great.
10:41:14 <Halcyon> Yeh I've been busy
10:41:51 <steve30> I've only ever seen Fujitsu branded ones here in england.
10:41:56 <Ampera> Halcyon, call?
10:42:13 <Halcyon> Not right this moment, I'm trying to work out this uni stuff
10:42:19 <Ampera> alright
10:42:22 <Halcyon> I have an assignment due and it's a mind fuck
10:42:24 <Halcyon> :(
10:42:36 <coppice> steve30: you said they are very quiet. The big drawback with General air cons used to be noise, so maybe they've finally solved that
10:44:03 <steve30> I don't have a direct comparison to anything else, but I'd certainly describe them as quiet. If you run an outdoor unit slowly, you have to be right next to it to hear it. If its running fast, you can hear it elsewhere in the garden, but its not that noticeable over traffic, people talking, etc.
10:44:35 <Ampera> steve30, do you have a split system?
10:44:47 <steve30> yes, installed last week :)
10:45:06 <coppice> steve30: they are usually pretty reliable, and last
10:45:09 <Ampera> well that'd be why it's quiet
10:45:31 <coppice> Ampera: what difference does a split one make when you are outside?
10:45:42 <steve30> Ampera, http://stevecoates.net/air_conditioning/fujitsu_outdoor_units_01.jpg
10:45:59 <Ampera> coppice, unless you have a heat pump, who the fuck air conditions the outside
10:46:53 <Ampera> steve30, nice
10:46:56 <coppice> Ampera: with a split air con amost all the noise is from the exterior unit. when you are outside the noise is much like a window type
10:47:01 <Ampera> I've been thinking of trying to get a window mounted heat pump, if such a thing exists.
10:47:09 <Ampera> coppice, yeah but who the hell would want to leave their house
10:47:22 <Ampera> and the outside tends to be noisier than the inside, so having the noisy bit outside is not as much of an issue
10:47:25 <coppice> steve30 apparently does
10:47:45 <Ampera> there's also more open air for it to not bounce around and come back at you, so the noise wouldn't be as noticeable, also since they will likely be tucked away in a corner you're not really gonna go near
10:47:50 <steve30> There are other people living nearby and i don't want to cause a noise nuisance
10:48:32 <coppice> Ampera: an exterior unit rumbling too much close to a neighbour will soon get a a visit in the UK
10:48:55 <Ampera> My aircon pumps directly into my neighbor's yard
10:49:01 <Ampera> my gun is right next to it if they have any complaints
10:49:41 <Halcyon> I have a huge outdoor unit for my ducted air. Most of the noise are from the two huge fans rather than the compressor
10:51:29 <Ampera> I'm wondering if I can spend 300-500 USD and get a decent reversible aircon with a real thermostat and remote control (preferably RF, not IR)
11:10:08 <Ampera> Ech, I canceled my S20 Ultra, and am gonna wait out for the Oneplus 8 Pro
11:10:20 <Ampera> I've been juggling reviews for days, and I think the Oneplus will be the better deal
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13:56:22 * Halcyon nibbles on some Ash Brie and crackers
14:00:59 * Halcyon licks Ampera
15:08:03 <DogWomble> be careful with the licking, #covid
15:12:11 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: Brilliant! Why does smoke from a soldering iron ALWAYS go towards your face??? https://t.co/AViWWwBhlR
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15:13:12 <JoePublic> hi everyone, i cannot register into the eevforum. Do you have solutions
15:33:23 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: Just installed today in the lab building. Really? Piss off, we aren't children. https://t.co/w7LBqLy2T3
15:35:44 <Halcyon> JoePublic: What's the problem you're having
15:45:52 <JoePublic> after register, it shows spam emai and the ban for register never expires. But my email never sends emails around. Is this pointing to certain email server or some countries?
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16:12:01 <Halcyon> JoePublic, what is your email host?
16:12:13 <Halcyon> Is it a gmail, outlook address or something else?
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16:33:38 <Ysjoelfir> hello all
16:33:49 <Ysjoelfir> *coughs* I said, hello all
16:33:49 <EEVBlog> Hello there, Ysjoelfir!
16:34:01 <Ysjoelfir> Yay, five days in a row! 0:-)
16:38:00 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: That control room, it's the Metsamor Nuclear Power Plant. Photo: Martina Shahbazyan / TASS Newsreel https://t.co/vJe7tUjvJw https://t.co/XoUPFuWHPZ
16:38:06 <Halcyon> Hey Ysjoelfir
16:40:22 <Ysjoelfir> Hi Halcyon :)
16:40:33 <Ysjoelfir> whats going on down there?
16:40:58 <Halcyon> Not a whole lot. What about you?
16:41:49 <Ysjoelfir> I'm a bit pissed about a contractor I was supposed to be working for, but either than that, nothing interesting
16:41:57 <Halcyon> Oh? What happened?
16:44:33 <Ysjoelfir> I'm not sure if you read when I talked about that contract someone proposed to me, where the goal was to shrink an existing design down from 30 to 15mm diameter?
16:47:50 <Halcyon> Nah I didn't
16:51:45 <Ysjoelfir> well, that was the goal. nice freelance work.
16:52:08 <Ysjoelfir> I thought about it and gave them a rough estimate for the time I think is needed for them to have a working prototype
16:52:37 <Ysjoelfir> I estimated around a month of full time work.
16:53:28 <Ysjoelfir> Now they decided to ask another guy, who could also do the case they need for that (I would have worked together with a friend that is good at designing cases)
16:54:20 <Ysjoelfir> That guy was like "I'll be done in seven days, case included. here is a sketch that shows that it works". - hands over a 3d "render" of a grey disk with grey blocks on it.
16:54:22 <Halcyon> That's annoying
16:55:03 <Ysjoelfir> basically prooving nothing, just showing that.... well.... that its no problem to 3D a grey disk with grey blocks
16:55:13 <Ysjoelfir> that doesn't even prove that its possible to connect everything
16:57:09 <Ysjoelfir> Now I talked on the phone with the customer for around two hours (again... thats the sixth time now) free of charge, trying to convince him that its bullshit and basically impossible to do in that time, especially taking into account that there are many "if"s in that project
16:57:32 <Ysjoelfir> like "if possible, I want 3 RGB LEDs", and "if it fits I want two buttons"
16:57:46 <Ysjoelfir> well, if not - redesign is lurking right around the corner
16:58:07 <Ysjoelfir> I'm very annoyed right now...
16:58:22 <Ysjoelfir> I think I'm going to get myself a tea
17:05:53 <Ysjoelfir> So. Got a nice big cup of yuzu tea (and need to reorder new one ASAP, I'm running out!)
17:07:22 <Ysjoelfir> So, Halcyon, I think the next time I start discussing a bigger project with a potential customer I will limit the.... pre-contract-time to 4 hours.
17:07:35 <Halcyon> Indeed
17:08:19 <Ysjoelfir> I'm just annoyed, sorry for bitching :X
17:13:10 <Ysjoelfir> but otoh, the Volvo went through inspection without any major issue, which makes me somewhat happy
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17:18:22 <Halcyon> Don't be sorry
17:18:26 <Halcyon> That's why we are here
17:18:38 <Ysjoelfir> naaaw :3
17:18:40 * Ysjoelfir hugs Halcyon
17:18:43 <Halcyon> :D
17:23:57 <Ysjoelfir> Halcyon, even though I'll have to leave the company on 30.9.20 I managed to get a raise last month. And we finally managed to get out of debt (at least the debt on the bank - studies still need repay, but that is due in 10 years). I just wanted to say thanks again for your support in january. Can I do something good for you?
17:25:07 <Halcyon> That's great news
17:25:19 <Halcyon> You're most welcome. Nope, nothing I need :)
17:25:34 <Halcyon> Happy to help out
17:26:29 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Retweet: The Verge: If you want to buy a decommissioned nuclear reactor control panel, we’ve found one for you https://t.co/eXXkpdRMJn https://t.co/z9vcZetYQM
17:26:30 <Ysjoelfir> If I ever visit Australia I will invite you to a nice restaurant. ;)
17:26:35 <Halcyon> Deal
17:27:02 <Ysjoelfir> :D
17:30:55 <Halcyon> I'm really happy to hear you are doing well though
17:31:41 <Ysjoelfir> I just hope it will stay that way and that I find a new job before october. I don't think that my freelancing will be enough to sustain living :P
17:36:33 <Halcyon> You can always do it on the side for fun
17:39:59 <coppice> Ysjoelfir: freelancing can be a very hard road, especially long term. most people can't sustain a good flow of work. on the other hand, a few people do really well from it.
17:40:39 <Ysjoelfir> thats what I always intended, just a little bonus for the fun of it :)
17:41:29 <Ysjoelfir> coppice - yes, thats true. thats why I would prefer to have a good job and freelance just as a side business
17:44:21 <coppice> connecting is the toughest thing in engineering
17:48:36 <Ysjoelfir> indeed. except when you are a social media guru - which I am not. I hate social media.
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18:08:53 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: For those playing along at home, I was able to free up over 100GB worth of C drive space by manually clearing a bunch of stuff.
18:14:56 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Retweet: Rafaan: So my Dad made good use of his time in lockdown and built a huge laughing Kookaburra. https://t.co/UGVC4dZsCL
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18:22:08 <K> hello
18:48:15 <Ysjoelfir> hello K
18:48:36 <K> is it friday yet?
18:48:47 <Ysjoelfir> yes, finally
18:48:54 <Ysjoelfir> i think
18:48:56 * Ysjoelfir checks
18:49:01 <Ysjoelfir> yes it is indeed
18:49:15 <K> a win!
19:07:46 <JoePublic> @halcyon, it is 126.com
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19:59:53 * Ysjoelfir is annoyed and frustrated from work today
20:00:03 * Ysjoelfir is looking forward to his pizza at lunch
20:06:02 <K> ha, look at the mr bourgeois there, with pizza for lunch
20:14:03 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: RIP Marcel van Kervinck, designer of the Gigatron TTL Computer. He was only in his early 50's. So sad. https://t.co/jqKgMV20pK
20:26:36 * Ysjoelfir is a nobleman
20:26:42 <Ysjoelfir> Mr. Ys van snob
20:31:21 <K> isn't 'fon' more appropriate
20:31:24 <K> ?
20:32:28 <Ysjoelfir> I wanted it to sound more like netherlandish :P if I would make it german it would be Herr Ys von Snobbingen
20:32:49 <K> ah ok.
20:33:02 <Lemon> herr von kartoffel
20:35:05 <Ysjoelfir> Even better would be "Freiherr von XYZ"
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20:46:44 <Ysjoelfir> Hi Lemon
20:46:51 <Ysjoelfir> or better, welcome back
20:47:51 <Lemon> heh hi hi
20:47:56 <Lemon> internet is fuckep up
20:49:16 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: 5yo Huxley question of the day: Daddy, where does gravity come from?
20:54:18 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Retweet: You Had One Job!: Seal that cave up and walk away. This is NOT the year man. https://t.co/mZlwNhr5PV
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21:16:00 <Halcyon> Hey Lemon
21:21:31 <Lemon> hey boi
21:39:56 <K> its Lomen
21:40:34 <coppice> lomen is delicious
21:42:22 <Ysjoelfir> Yuzu is better!
21:43:43 <K> that is actually a tging
21:44:57 * K is eating a cookie with m&ms in it
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21:51:00 <Ysjoelfir> a what? :D
21:55:03 <K> a cookie with m&m's in it.
21:59:18 <Halcyon> I don't know why, but this is very catchy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6bhoVcUbF0
22:00:23 <K> pls no
22:00:34 <Halcyon> Hahaha
22:00:36 * Ampera licks Halcyon
22:00:40 <Halcyon> Hey Ampera
22:00:42 <Ampera> call?
22:00:56 <Halcyon> Sure, Ill go grab my phone
22:13:37 <Ysjoelfir> ringedingedingeding
22:13:44 <Ysjoelfir> @ halcyons link
22:14:31 <Ysjoelfir> even though I enjoyed that way more: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gk3tXQzCeJA
22:14:34 <Ysjoelfir> brings back memories XD
22:19:38 <steve30000> hi
22:20:14 <Ysjoelfir> hey steve threemillion! what happened to steve thirty and a half?
22:20:58 Nick: steve30000 is now known as steve30
22:25:14 <K> maybe he counts in ternary
22:25:22 <Halcyon> Hehehe
22:26:28 <Halcyon> Ysjoelfir: Ampera and I are discussing on the phone how to pronounce your nick
22:26:32 <Halcyon> It's too hard :P
22:26:56 <Ysjoelfir> XD
22:27:13 <Ysjoelfir> IIRC rusty, lemon and I discussed that quite some time back
22:27:40 <Ysjoelfir> Try google translate thingy with its "read that out" function and switch it to.... IIRC danish was the best result? let me check
22:29:03 <Halcyon> I want to say "Yoel-sfir" but I know that's wrong
22:29:11 <steve30> ooh, new john ward video
22:29:17 <Halcyon> Hey Steve
22:29:23 <Halcyon> I saw, I'll watch when I'm in bed
22:29:32 <Lemon> e-sjoel-fir :>
22:29:33 <steve30> I think I'll go out on the bike shortly
22:30:57 <K> Yaas! Joel, fir!
22:31:22 <Ysjoelfir> yes, the danish version was pretty close. but more like "is" instead if "ish" at the beginning.
22:31:23 <K> when someone is really excited about Joel finally finding a proper tree
22:31:34 <Halcyon> I'll just call you Joel
22:31:34 <Halcyon> :P
22:31:50 <Ysjoelfir> xD
22:31:58 <Ysjoelfir> What lemon wrote is pretty good actually
22:32:23 <Ysjoelfir> what is the JW video about, steve30? I like his videos. he reminds me extremely of my father. he even looks simmilar
22:32:44 <Halcyon> I wonder if JW is gay... there is something about him...
22:33:06 <Ysjoelfir> I thought about that, too
22:34:54 <Ysjoelfir> Halcyon - an old pic of my parents. is it just me, or does he realy look simmilar to my dad? https://drive.google.com/file/d/1zpZP0Nhke_cj8qcKJZNfdBx9TFOCnEV6/view?usp=sharing
22:35:35 <Lemon> gahhh theres some caps I want to buy but im really poor
22:35:58 <Halcyon> Nah, he looks nothing like your Father
22:36:04 <Lemon> for under 40 delivered, someone is selling 6x 1000pf ssg silver mica caps, NOS, and 6x 10nf
22:36:09 <Halcyon> MAAAAAYBE the hair
22:36:29 <Ysjoelfir> Lemon, you're a rich bastard :P
22:36:36 <Lemon> im def not xd
22:36:50 <Ysjoelfir> Halcyon - yeah, the hair is what initially made me consider a simmilarity
22:36:53 <Lemon> I just dont have things to spend on besides hobbies :>
22:36:57 <Halcyon> Lemon would have the looks. You parents scrub up pretty well
22:37:15 <steve30> its about plastic melting
22:37:28 <steve30> Halcyon, you'll have to go and visit him and check
22:37:35 <Ysjoelfir> well, on many JW videos he is melting some kind of thing :P
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22:41:02 <Halcyon> Welcome back Lemon
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22:48:18 * steve30 gets his cycling shorts out
22:48:55 * Ysjoelfir watches closely
22:57:49 <Halcyon> steve30: Pics
22:57:57 <Halcyon> Preferably crotch level :P
23:09:21 <Ysjoelfir> XD
23:14:30 <Ampera> This is why homosexuality should be banned >:(
23:14:41 <K> spanked!
23:15:46 * steve30 passes Ampera some cute lycra shorts :p
23:16:12 <Ampera> I'd rather wear leggings.
23:16:38 <K> leggings are not pants!
23:17:08 * Ampera puts on some jeggings
23:19:16 <K> well, as long as noone sees you
23:19:53 <Ampera> K, and what if someone sees me in leggings?
23:19:55 <Ampera> What are they gonna do?
23:20:43 <K> suffer
23:23:13 <Ampera> K, good, I enjoy making people suffer, especially me
23:28:36 <K> oh well.
23:35:00 <Ysjoelfir> I never can differentiate between Jeggins, Leggins, Long underpants and pantyhoses
23:35:17 <Ampera> Leggings are kinda like thick tights
23:35:28 <Ampera> pantyhose are I believe fully length stockings
23:35:36 <Ampera> Jeggings are jean or jean texture leggings
23:35:44 <Ampera> and long underpants idk
23:35:50 <Ampera> don't ask me why I know these things
23:36:22 <K> but are you certain you are correct?
23:36:40 <Ampera> K, in this world the only thing that I am absolutely certain of is that I am never correct.
23:37:01 <K> then it was all for nothing!
23:37:04 <K> (flips table)
23:37:18 <Ysjoelfir> Why does womens clothing has to have such different names for basically the same thing?
23:37:28 <Ampera> (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
23:37:33 <Ampera> Ysjoelfir, because it's not the same thing
23:37:53 <Ampera> different fabrics, uses, thicknesses, feel
23:37:53 <Ysjoelfir> why can't it be all called like... pants, and we just differenciate like "its pants made from thin fabric" or its "made from cotton" or whatever? :D
23:38:17 <Ampera> it's already like that, but pants are a different thing entirely
23:38:18 <Ampera> these are not pants
23:39:16 <K> Ysjoelfir, that would be german aproach - just stick words together with increasing specificity
23:41:18 <DHess_US> But pantswerfer doesn't have the ring of nebelwerfer.
23:41:39 * Ampera throws a P2OD at DHess_US
23:42:21 <Ysjoelfir> K - exactly! :D thats why I like that approach XD
23:44:15 <K> i've been told i have a penchant for (overly) long and specific variable names, must've had some germans somewhere in family tree
23:45:50 <Ysjoelfir> hehe :) which nationality are you actually?
23:46:11 <K> i'm latvian
23:46:23 <Ysjoelfir> well, thats not too far off then, could well be :P
23:46:28 <K> yeah
23:47:28 <K> it is said my grand-grand-(grand?) father arrived from Prussia
23:47:50 <K> no exactly german but close
23:48:20 <Ysjoelfir> thats true :)
23:49:58 <Ysjoelfir> if you see my last name you could think that my family migrated somday in the past from... either poland or czech republic or whatever eastern state. but as far as I can look back into our families history book it's all just been germans :X
23:52:53 <K> well, mine is quite germanic sounding
23:53:14 <Ysjoelfir> mine is not xD
23:53:43 <Ysjoelfir> -> https://pdi.engineering/service/impressum
23:54:14 <K> fund a pole!
23:54:18 <K> found!
23:54:40 <Ysjoelfir> from the name of it
23:55:00 <K> hehe
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