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45:49 <Nico78> Hi all, I'm working on a RGB led dimming project and I have completed my schematic. It is one of my first and I am looking to get some feedback on my design. https://easyeda.com/nico.dehaer/rgbw-ledstrip-controller
46:19 <T3sl4> hi
49:22 <T3sl4> Nico78: seems alright, DC:POS should probably have some filtering
50:43 <T3sl4> Q1/2 maybe should have a TVS from GND to drain, to deal with long wires having inductance
51:05 <T3sl4> they could also be current limited/protected switches, though those are slower making accurate PWM harder to do
51:10 <Nico78> Q1/2 have internal diodes
51:41 <T3sl4> not the body diode, an overvoltage diode
52:03 <Nico78> i was under the impression that they would deal with inductance (the negative voltage spike thing)
52:30 <T3sl4> flyback goes positive, risking Vds(max)
52:44 <T3sl4> they're rated for a little avalanche but it's not a great idea to rely on
53:53 <T3sl4> try to avoid using the I2C connector, and if you do, use a shielded cable and keep it short
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55:22 <T3sl4> the isolators shouldn't be too bad but if there's noise, consider a C or R+C between grounds (GND-CAN:GND and GND-USB:GND) and a ferrite bead on the cable or common mode choke(s) on the signals/power/gnd
56:14 <T3sl4> maybe a series (polarity protection) diode on DC:POS too, maybe a TVS
56:24 <Nico78> i have seen those before on power supply designs but could never figure out what they are supposed to do
57:27 <Nico78> putting a cap between two isolated grounds - does that not hurt the isolation?
57:53 <T3sl4> it's spooky RF stuff, not at all impossible to understand, but will take some study to understand
59:12 <Nico78> that cap should be of class x or y (not a standard ceramic)?
59:34 <T3sl4> it hurts the isolation in that the impedance between grounds is lower at high frequencies, but a very high impedance is almost impossible (the best way to achieve that is use fiber optics), and some capacitance is unavoidable (with these isolator chips, and the surrounding layout) so it is better to have that capacitance damped (hence the possible R)
00:02 <T3sl4> class Y if it's going to have mains voltage across it, yes; if it's just SELV galvanic isolation, a 50V chip cap is fine
00:30 <T3sl4> if it's not mains, i'd tend to use two in series, preferably 0805 or 1206 size, i think
00:50 <Nico78> ok - that then applies for the ISO1050 and the ADuM1201 isolator chips
01:40 <T3sl4> ya
03:24 <Nico78> I am going to look up this TVS thing (never used one before ) to see what it does and how it is going to help me :)
04:55 <T3sl4> as for power input, the most likely hazard there is hot-plugging, where the power supply is already at e.g. 20V or whatever, your circuit is initially zero, and at the instant of contact, all that voltage charges up the cable inductance, which charges up the regulator's input capacitance, which quickly overshoots to double (40V) or more
05:14 <T3sl4> a TVS clamps that to, whatever it clamps to, say a 24V TVS will clamp that to 30-36V give or take
05:25 <T3sl4> super easy protection
05:55 <Nico78> sounds a bit like a shotky diode?
06:37 <T3sl4> no, those just have lower forward voltage drop (among other things)
07:45 <Nico78> sorry i meant zenner - my mistake
08:13 <T3sl4> yeah, TVS is just a surge rated zener :)
08:45 <Nico78> :) all thouse hours watching Dave was good for something :D
09:57 <Nico78> I looked at zeners but they did not seem to do the job - too slow, not precise (esp with temperature ranges) - guess I was looking at the wrong part
10:12 <T3sl4> slow?
10:38 <T3sl4> which job? Vref?
11:09 <Nico78> i was looking to use one as a voltage regulator at the time - i was even more a beginner then than i am now
11:39 <Nico78> I probably did not understand what i was reading at the time...
12:21 <T3sl4> oh, you don't want to use zeners for shunt regulators, for the most part
12:25 <Nico78> You also mentioned a ferrite bead - this helps with high frequency noise?
12:51 <T3sl4> they're fine as reference, particularly in the 5-8V range say, but you're usually better off with a bandgap or other IC reference
13:49 <T3sl4> yes, the problem with isolation is that you can have RF on cables that resonates with the isolation capacitance
14:07 <T3sl4> you can't avoid the capacitance, but you can tame it, and the FB introduces resistance, dampening the resonance
14:57 <T3sl4> if any of your regulators are switching types, mind that they produce noise from both terminals, so should have some filtering, like 1uH and >>1uF should be fine
15:36 <Nico78> they are - i have a few of these: https://aliexpress.com/item/32815945767.html
16:00 <T3sl4> ali, oh dear
16:32 <Nico78> not the best choice as they have a max of 24v input - I plan to design my own but I have to do more research.
16:53 <Nico78> Have a few here and they perform better than I expected
17:40 <T3sl4> at least they have onboard caps
18:09 <T3sl4> wonder what the reg IC is, they don't say
19:47 <Nico78> it reads | AGCH
20:50 <Nico78> at least they did not remove the chip markings
23:05 <Nico78> I'm open to suggestions: Input range would be 12 - 24 v, output 5v don't know the needed amps - not too much I imagine
23:17 <T3sl4> oh, https://www.openhacks.com/uploadsproductos/datasheet_77.pdf they say AGC but don't say what the last char is
25:58 <T3sl4> i've used a relative i think of that before, shouldn't be too awful
26:21 <T3sl4> extra filtering around them is still a good idea, who knows what kind of cheap capacitors they used around it
28:41 <Nico78> ok, I have some work to do on the protection/filtering side of the design
29:44 <Nico78> thank you for your time and thoughts - much appreciated
31:51 <T3sl4> cheers
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09:55 <rust_collector> moinings
37:40 <Ysjoelfir> hi rusty
38:14 <rust_collector> eyyoh
39:13 <rust_collector> time for lunch
40:16 <rust_collector> what is happening in out there?
43:09 <Ysjoelfir> just came back from shopping
44:42 <rust_collector> YESSS!
46:05 <Ysjoelfir> absolutely
46:49 <rust_collector> oh
46:56 <Ysjoelfir> so, rusty... I was thinking about visiting norway this or next year, as well as maybe using that to propose to SWMBO. you have any ideas about ways to make that an epic experience for her?
47:57 <rust_collector> well, I do not have much experience with drugging people...
48:34 <Ysjoelfir> XD
48:44 <rust_collector> put her in a wingsuit, and kick her off a mountain?
48:55 <Ysjoelfir> thats a cool idea
48:59 <rust_collector> that would be a pretty epic experience
49:06 <Ysjoelfir> but I assume she would just drop down like a brick
49:16 <rust_collector> oh well
49:28 <rust_collector> I would take that as a no
50:30 <rust_collector> well, i don't know... what is epic-ish for her?
50:39 <Ysjoelfir> erm
50:46 <Ysjoelfir> reading. and nature.
51:10 <rust_collector> we have a few letters, and we have plenty of nature
51:59 <rust_collector> uhm, I think, maybe... uhm, where has she been?
54:29 <rust_collector> I mean, we have a few different kinds of nature.
54:48 <rust_collector> I actually like the boring kind a lot... she might not
56:07 <rust_collector> but I guess you have to do it either on a really sunny summer day, or a nasty cold and stormy day, up north, with no light...
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18:24 <Ysjoelfir> sorry, she wanted to watch something on my pc so I had to hide IRC :P
19:19 <Ysjoelfir> We liked the boring kind of nature, too.
19:57 <Ysjoelfir> basically we were just.... amazed by the... lets call it "freedom" you feel when wandering around or driving around through endless kilometers of nothingness
21:23 <rust_collector> ok, so you want to go up north
22:09 <Ysjoelfir> that would be cool. but the south was nice, too. like this fjord which name I didn't remember and only made a very blurry analog photo off: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1icd5DCJt_42pOekax-iSvHtzc5LdvChV/view?usp=sharing
24:03 <rust_collector> no matter where you go... it is still a small country. so you can get to the sea, or up in the mountains in no time
24:39 <rust_collector> but finnmark is the biggest chunk of land, I guess. it is a bit bigger than denmark, IIrc
25:31 <rust_collector> mostly not used for anything. and you have to walk or drive for hours to do anything
29:22 <rust_collector> maybe not the most spectacular looking place, but there is a lot of nature, and you have the sun thing, or lack of sun thing, depending... along the coast to the south, it is much more spectacular to look at, but you also have to look at it forever, because getting to the next place feels like driving forever, because you have to go around the fjord, or over the mountain...or take a boat straight across...
29:24 <Lemon> hello peeps
29:35 <rust_collector> allo
31:03 <andre> allo
31:29 <Lemon> I built the thermometer today
31:33 <Lemon> but I think theres an issue
33:05 <Lemon> im waiting a bit to see if I resolved it but im not sure
33:24 <Lemon> now that everything is glued/soldered in the box thighly I noticed its making some waves
33:40 <Lemon> so I just thought, maybe adding pull up resistors will help, I took them out for some reasons at first
33:47 <Lemon> im letting it stabilize and we'll see
33:58 <rust_collector> I bet it is the glue
36:29 <Lemon> the build isnt perfect but well I did it with a heated knife to cut plastic, some shitty mini files and my bare hands
36:48 <Lemon> and you know what ? when I was done my mother came home with one of those cheap dremels ripoff lol
36:53 <Lemon> it looks pretty neat for 25 euros
37:18 <rust_collector> yeah, well, it is pretty much a motor and a switch.
37:26 <rust_collector> how bad can it be?
37:39 <Lemon> yeah its mostly the accessories which are either correct or dog shit usually
37:41 <rust_collector> Probably not as bad as a dremel
39:33 <rust_collector> I have a drawer with loads of the dremel cutoff discs. I always forget I have them
41:53 <Ysjoelfir> thanks rusty :)
42:13 <Ysjoelfir> also, I book you to drive by with a truck that has something written on it.
42:19 <Ysjoelfir> like wanne be my SWMBO? XD
42:48 <rust_collector> oh crap, I don't want to be blamed for that for years and years....and years
43:30 <rust_collector> hmm, but.. reading, and nature eh?
44:47 <rust_collector> I think you should just put her in pink clothes, and send her into a mayhem concert. It will be fun, they said
47:48 <Ysjoelfir> XD
47:51 <Lemon> hmmm it seems adding pull up resistors dimished the effect
47:57 <Lemon> but idk why its doing that hhonestly
48:03 <Lemon> I didnt heat anything
48:07 <Lemon> its the same schematic
49:55 <Lemon> I think I used 10K resistors
49:59 <Lemon> maybe I need bigger ones ?
50:09 <Lemon> theres longer cables now, as I was using a breadboard before
50:16 <Lemon> maybe its playing a role ?
51:00 <rust_collector> maybe you need some capacitors, to simulate a breadboard
51:27 <Lemon> thats weird
51:29 <Lemon> but now it seems good
51:36 <Lemon> maybe im just exagerating it
51:46 <Lemon> but before those resistors it was wavy af
51:55 * Ampera squeezes Lemon 
51:58 <rust_collector> stick some tin foil over the wires
52:00 <Lemon> :o
52:09 <Ampera> how do
52:12 <Ampera> also Ysjoelfir and rust_collector
52:19 <rust_collector> hey you
52:19 <Ampera> the three musketeers
52:39 <Ampera> I, who is you, says hey, back to you, who is not me
53:42 <Ysjoelfir> hi Ampera
53:51 <Ampera> hi Ysjoelfir, how are you doing
53:57 <Ampera> also congrats on finding someone who doesn't hate you
53:59 <rust_collector> did you delete the guys data, to get away from that job?
54:05 <Ysjoelfir> good. enjoying a bowl of ramen
54:09 <Ysjoelfir> xD
54:12 <Ampera> mmm, next week is miso soup week
54:16 <Ampera> nothing but miso soup all week
54:51 <rust_collector> interesting diet
59:00 <Ysjoelfir> nah, a bit more variety would be nice
59:20 <rust_collector> maybe you should go on a killer whale safari, and rent a crusty old shed you can sleep in.
59:30 <Ampera> Ysjoelfir, there is variety
59:41 <Ampera> I have three different types of soup base I'll be making
59:50 <Ampera> shiitake, shrimp, and smoked herring
01:10 <Ysjoelfir> oh ok, that sounds way better then :D
01:37 <Ysjoelfir> rusty, our crusty old shed has four wheels and is named volvo 940 :P
02:18 <rust_collector> all old volvos need a horse trailer. sleep in that
02:57 <MrMobodies> Smoked herring soup sounds nice
03:50 <MrMobodies> when I am unwell, I find Rollup hearing helps a little
03:54 <Lemon> https://imgur.com/a/aOxXEIu
04:06 <Lemon> I really dont know why theres some waves like this
04:06 <MrMobodies> oh and lemons too
05:53 <Ysjoelfir> I have a Klappfix. That is better than a horse trailer
06:04 <rust_collector> bah
06:31 <rust_collector> I bet you have not even tried a horse trailer, it is what old volvos were made to do
06:49 <MrMobodies> https://i.imgur.com/42AgMPO.jpg
06:54 <MrMobodies> isn't that a little similar
07:09 <MrMobodies> it does it on some of the older batteries
07:56 <MrMobodies> whereas the the new Eneloops are just one curve without large/small up/down waves
08:27 <rust_collector> I have thought about something like a klappfix, just rip the chassis off, and mount it on a roof rack
09:11 <Lemon> Ysjoelfir seeing the graph I jsut sent, do you think those waves on a thermometer with that resolution are to be expected ? or change the pull up resistors for bigger ones will maybe help ?
09:23 <Lemon> I have no idea why its doing that im pretty sure it wasnt the case on the breadboard
12:37 <MrMobodies> it looks to me like a bit like what happens with a modified sine wave
14:29 <MrMobodies> https://i.imgur.com/VNFn0bb.jpg
14:37 <MrMobodies> See the blue curve
15:00 <Lemon> yes but well, its a temperature sensor
15:07 <Lemon> so theres no correlations I think
15:14 <MrMobodies> coincidence
15:36 <MrMobodies> those are failing batteries where they loose their charge in less than a week
16:52 <Lemon> ha yeah I wanted to monitor some batteries now that I have a nice electronic load
16:59 <Lemon> well im going to leave the thermometer on
17:05 <Lemon> maybe I never realised it before
17:08 <Lemon> and its just normal noise
17:49 <MrMobodies> it'll be interesting when you find out why that is happening
17:59 <MrMobodies> oh sorry, normal noise
18:15 <Lemon> I guess it is
18:25 <Lemon> but I thought that it was flatter before I put everything in the box
18:29 <MrMobodies> oooh something similar on my broadand graphs
18:45 <MrMobodies> when they put in a manhole and the water got in there
20:09 <Lemon> im using a 18bit adc thats fairly good on a breakout board, an arduino micro and a lmt70 sensor also on a breakout board
20:15 <Lemon> so I dont think I damaged anything with heat
20:31 <Lemon> I did insulate some pins with hot glue, but I dont think its hot enough to damage anything
20:34 <MrMobodies> https://i.imgur.com/OlE6gGn.png
20:51 <Lemon> I used it only on pins
20:54 <Lemon> not on chip themselves
20:59 <MrMobodies> no water, residue
21:23 <MrMobodies> but noise picked up from somewhere
22:34 <MrMobodies> the graph layout looks nice but interesting how the temperature peaks up and down
23:13 <Lemon> well the 0.01C variations are normal, but it seems theres some kind of pattern
23:20 <Lemon> like it goes up for a minute then goes down etc
24:07 <rust_collector> how do you power it?
25:00 <Lemon> via the micro usb port, I thought that maybe its picking noise but why not before
25:05 <Lemon> thats why I ruled it out
26:05 <Lemon> before I had the pullup resistors directly from the arduino to VCC
26:10 <Lemon> now they are from the adc to vcc
26:24 <Lemon> so maybe its conflicting with the display, that is also using i2c
26:33 <Lemon> im going to solder them exactly like before and see
26:44 <rust_collector> I dunno? but I feel that if you have noise of some kind, batteries could be worth trying?. But yes, it is probably not that
28:22 <Ysjoelfir> So I am watching a movie with SWMBO right now. despite the fact that you CAN't hear a fucking thing they say when using just stereo and get nearly deaf when a single effect is happening, it's so.... very illogical
29:11 <rust_collector> BOOM!
30:53 <Ysjoelfir> there is an airplane attacking the white house. an airplane that uses four propellers. it shot down several jet warplanes.
30:54 <MrMobodies> mumbling and then a loud audio effect
31:00 <Ysjoelfir> yes.
31:16 <MrMobodies> I remembered when the BBC use to do that some years ago
31:21 <MrMobodies> one of their programmes
31:32 <Ysjoelfir> its because every shit movie now assumes that you just have a 5.1 system and they just don't provide decent stereo anymore.
31:35 <MrMobodies> the background music was louder than anything else
32:15 <MrMobodies> I years ago on DVD'S they had a choice
32:50 <MrMobodies> where I could select, stereo, from surround sound stereo effect, to 7.1 etc
33:06 <MrMobodies> and 5.1 and all sorts of modes
33:22 <MrMobodies> on some dvd video players but then I know it was depending on the DVD
33:48 <MrMobodies> maybe I'm mistaken, but I did remember some options on certain DVD's appearing to do with sound
34:44 <MrMobodies> I am pleased that my neighbour cut my wood
35:02 <Ysjoelfir> yes, that was a thing once. but nowadays its just "meh, fuck the user"
35:06 <MrMobodies> I was about to buy a £1000 mitre saw to cut it
35:35 <MrMobodies> "meh, f*ck the user" sounds about right amongst other things too
36:15 <Ysjoelfir> yes
37:34 <MrMobodies> mind you Adblock comes to my defence, not for the ads, for other annoyances
38:19 <MrMobodies> I rejoined Netflix to spend a night trying to remove all the crap and dimming of the their player
38:28 <MrMobodies> and loosing my temper in the process
38:38 <MrMobodies> you know where as soon as the mouse hover over that screen it dims
38:51 <MrMobodies> an the spinners when it buffers
39:14 <MrMobodies> it'll be nice if they just left the picture alone
39:39 <MrMobodies> just put the title in the corner, ui controls underneath, no things like spinners or dimming
40:47 <MrMobodies> Sorry I am obsessed with these things I just like my video to be clear.
41:02 <Ysjoelfir> I am so annoyed with this shitty sound right now that I am just minutes away from buying a fucking center speaker and a 5.1 receiver.
41:11 <MrMobodies> oh I see what it is
41:12 <Ysjoelfir> I agree with that
41:37 <MrMobodies> they do it to increase sales, they might have some agreement to annoy people so they go out and buy stuff
42:09 <MrMobodies> some agreement with the audio companies
43:42 <MrMobodies> I know some sound cards have effects on them and equalizers
44:06 <MrMobodies> I remembered I used it once to control some movie where the background sound was actually ridiculously loud
44:28 <MrMobodies> over a decade ago on a Soumd Blaster sound card
44:46 <MrMobodies> and it sort of worked but it sounded a bit strange
45:05 <MrMobodies> but it didn't hurt my ears after that
46:39 <rust_collector> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFzAd4PNCaY
49:33 <MrMobodies> sounds okay
57:03 <MrMobodies> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TdltHizVcQc
57:37 <MrMobodies> sounds like someone in pain
59:05 <MrMobodies> I am not sure which type this one is in terms of metal
59:08 <MrMobodies> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPP7sG5F0uE
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12:11 <rust_collector> sounds like someone has listened a lot to old judas priest
13:23 <MrMobodies> I found them on the suggestions and they sound kind of unique to me
13:48 <MrMobodies> I like that one, "old judas priest"
22:40 <rust_collector> has the same idea, I think
22:44 <rust_collector> butt
22:51 <rust_collector> it is time for a nap
23:09 <rust_collector> good night etc.
24:56 <MrMobodies> night
29:02 <Ysjoelfir> gn8 rusty
00:18 <Lemon> ok so I tried to put pull ups in various configs
00:24 <Lemon> but I dont think thats the problem
00:59 <Lemon> Ysjoelfir do you have any idea why this behavior occurs ? (temperature got wavy after I soldered and put everything in the box)
01:12 <Ysjoelfir> nope
01:41 <Lemon> maybe cables that are all packed like spaghettis cause problems ?
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09:57 <Lemon> maybe theres sl ight variations in temperature that I never noticed before
10:13 <Lemon> because I dont see how its possible for a sensor to go wavy this way
13:31 <hsn> hi. there
13:48 <hsn> hello mah lemon <:
13:54 <Lemon> hi boi
14:18 <hsn> how is it going for u
14:43 <Lemon> well ima bit pissed, I just built the thermometer into its case, and for some reasons readings are wavy
14:49 <Lemon> I have no idea why
14:52 <Lemon> its subtle but still
15:23 <Lemon> it goes from like 21.37 to 21.33, then 21.33 to 21.37 again, in spans of couple minutes
15:28 <Lemon> for example
16:04 <hsn> blame the thermal noise
16:25 <Lemon> the sensor is still on the outside of the box, do you think its from the adc ?
16:29 <Lemon> im using and external one
16:42 <Lemon> before everything was on a breadboard
17:01 <hsn> i get no enough experience to give feedback sorry ..
17:09 <Lemon> no problems
17:20 <Lemon> I'll maybe redo everything on veroboards, with shorter connections
17:33 <Lemon> I ordered another adc in case something happenned to this one but I doubt it
17:39 <hsn> how long the wires ?
17:59 <Lemon> maybe 10cm, for sda/scl connections, etc
18:11 <Lemon> the sensor itself maybe 5cm
18:14 <hsn> ah ok so its digital
18:24 <Lemon> its all packed so maybe theres this
20:50 <Lemon> well im going to sleep
20:55 <Lemon> and see how well it behaves this night
21:00 <Lemon> see you peeps !
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32:35 <Ampera> Hi ThunderSqueak, how are you doing
37:08 <ThunderSqueak> doing ok, you?
42:32 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: Pet Peeve: Big (or any) Youtubers who couldn't be arsed to even pin or heart or reply to a single comment.
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53:29 <Ampera> ThunderSqueak, alright, excited for the weekend, tomorrow is going to be a fun day at work.
24:13 <Halcyon> Morning all
25:08 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: You cannot unsee this! https://t.co/ww0yUUJLTj
31:43 <steve30> hi Halcyon
33:58 <Halcyon> Hey Steve
34:07 <Ysjoelfir> morning Halcyon
34:14 <Halcyon> Howdy Ysjoelfir
38:16 <steve30> I need to go to the doctors' in Sheffield later. This'll be the first time I've been to sheffield for two months.
38:26 <Halcyon> Is Sheffield far?
38:40 <steve30> nah, its the next city
41:47 * Halcyon pours some coffee
41:57 <steve30> mmm, coffee
42:01 * Ysjoelfir enjoys some nighttime Yuzu tea
42:09 <Halcyon> Heheh you're really into that tea
42:30 <Ysjoelfir> yes, its great :) tangy and aromatic.
42:53 <T3sl4> hey Halcyon
42:59 <Halcyon> Hey T3sl4
43:41 * steve30 hugs T3sl4 
43:47 * Halcyon fondles T3sl4 
44:29 * T3sl4 scritches steve30, slaps Halcyon
44:31 <Halcyon> https://youtu.be/6DcA-9kBXeM?t=77
44:37 <Halcyon> That soldering tip looks way too big
44:53 <T3sl4> that's what she said
44:57 <Halcyon> :P
45:56 <T3sl4> that's about the same tip i usually use
46:14 <Halcyon> Well I'll shutup then
47:35 <Halcyon> That looks like the crappiest military laptop
47:49 <Halcyon> Kind of slapped together, things stuck down with hot melt etc...
50:06 * steve30 meows at Halcyon's coffee
50:13 <Halcyon> No :P
50:33 <steve30> But I just finished mine. I need more :p
52:26 <Halcyon> I'm wondering if this woman is for real: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNto-3DvDpw
52:35 <Halcyon> Or is this a reallllly good piss take?
55:42 <Halcyon> OMG, I think she lives near you Steve
56:59 <T3sl4> nice shirt at least
58:17 <steve30> Looks like a bit of a strange alternative to spagheti bolognase
58:29 <Halcyon> Which turns out raw and burnt
02:06 <steve30> she does have the right sort of accent to be from yorkshire
02:27 <Halcyon> She made reference to Rotherham in her Q&A video
09:35 * steve30 looks forward to getting his A/C installed :D
14:27 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: TwitterVerse: What is the best video conferencing system for a Youtuber who wants to interview someone remotely? Requirements: - Good quality video, not jerky blocky rubbish. - Good quality audio - Recording capability - Ease of use for the interviewee, i.e. just send them a link
15:27 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: We use ZenCaster for the AmpHour podcast, so exactly like Zencaster but for video.
18:21 * steve30 sits on Halcyon's lap
22:51 <Halcyon> :)
28:04 <steve30> https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/may/12/judge-questions-coronavirus-case-against-homeless-london-man
28:54 <Halcyon> That's stupid
30:00 <Halcyon> I'm tossing up between burgers or these for dinner: https://www.goodfood.com.au/recipes/pulled-chicken-and-gravy-rolls-20191216-h1kghk
31:40 * Ampera sneezes at Halcyon 
31:57 <Halcyon> Hey Ampera
32:06 <Ampera> call?
32:19 <Halcyon> Soon, need to go to the bathroom
32:25 <Ampera> alright, I need to get out of bed
32:32 <Halcyon> Then to the shops, can I call you in the car?
33:08 <Ampera> sure
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51:51 <Halcyon> Won't be long Ampera, just putting pants on
52:01 <Ampera> why :(
52:15 <Halcyon> Because they frown upon walking around the supermarket in your underwear
52:28 <Ampera> then take your underwear off
52:43 <Halcyon> Who says I haven't ;-)
53:02 <Halcyon> Freeballing is a thing
53:17 <Ampera> So you take your helicopter to the store?
53:33 <Halcyon> ;-)
53:43 <Halcyon> I suspect T3sl4 free balls too, but probably out of laziness :P
54:01 <Ampera> I try not to think about mine
19:57 <steve30> i need more coffee
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53:05 <Halcyon> Hey Stevbe
53:06 <Halcyon> Steve
53:11 <Halcyon> I bought some IRN BRU
53:16 <Halcyon> I wanted to see what all the fuss is about
56:23 <T3sl4> is it sweetened with stevbia?
56:33 <T3sl4> (i know, cheap shot)
56:39 <Halcyon> :P
56:53 <Halcyon> No, but it has some scary looking colourings in it
57:13 <Halcyon> Like 1-(4-sulfo-1-napthylazo)- 2-napthol- 6,8-disulfonic acid, trisodium salt
57:40 <Halcyon> It just tastes like a strange version of Fanta
00:41 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Retweet: Chris Anderson: Somehow I missed this, but last week the US Department of the Interior issued a policy the effectively bans the use of every drone available in the United States (because they -gasp! - use some components manufactured in China, like every phone) Madness🙄 https://t.co/EVLhfzqd5t
06:11 <T3sl4> oh, well that'll be the reddish, water soluble dye
06:32 <T3sl4> sulfonates are water soluble, a lot of detergents are that kind for instance
07:05 <T3sl4> azo dyes are famous for their strong reds and similar colors, though i don't know about napthyl kinds specifically
07:14 <T3sl4> as for toxicity, meh, it's probably fine :P
12:57 <Halcyon> Meh, I probably won't buy it again anyway, I'm not a huge fan of soft drinks as it is
13:32 <Halcyon> It's kind of a mix between Fanta and Lucozade.
34:08 <steve30> I had Irn Bru once. I thought it was decent, but haven't had it again since.
34:19 <steve30> Back then Coke was my preferred beveridge
39:13 * steve30 hugs Halcyon 
13:52 * Halcyon cuddles steve30 
14:04 <Halcyon> Yeh as I said, rarely drink soft drinks, I just find them too sweet.
14:14 <Halcyon> I do like carbonated water though
25:20 <steve30> I don't like fizzy water. Just normal tap water for me
26:14 <Halcyon> I don't mind still water, as long as it's chilled
26:22 <Halcyon> I don't like room temperature water
28:17 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: Anyone with a webcam right now want to help me test Whereby for a few minutes? https://t.co/a7gTmA0DAE
28:34 <Halcyon> There you go Steve, go have a chat with Dave
48:24 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: Thanks to everyone who helped out! Sorry if you couldn't get in, there were only 3 slots. Result: It's not bad, passable video quality and audio is nice. Will have to try the record function (paid service).
52:49 * steve30 has no idea what a Whereby is
53:08 <Halcyon> It's like Zoom but better
53:28 <Halcyon> Just had a chat to Dave, he is looking at doing some remote collab videos
53:34 <Halcyon> I suggested Big Clive
53:55 * steve30 has a Zoom 56k modem
54:02 <Halcyon> Hahah
57:50 <steve30> i should probably have some more coffee soon
03:31 <steve30> That would be good to have bigclive and Dave chat
40:49 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: Ok, anyone want to help me test Jitsi? https://t.co/0kovl0eNX4
41:00 <steve30> Halcyon, how are you getting on VoIP wise? Did you manage to run 3cx?
46:00 <steve30> hehe, I just used the Jitsi dial-in. I now have Dave and others on the phone :D
58:36 <Halcyon> Yeh I got 3CX up and running
58:54 <Halcyon> Oh? Dave Jones?
59:20 <Halcyon> He is testing audio/video solutions for recording
59:35 <steve30> I clicked that Jitsi link and it has an option for joining in on the telephone, so i dialed it :)
59:42 <Halcyon> Nice :)
00:07 <Halcyon> Who else was in therE?
00:37 <steve30> no idea, just two or three other people with non-english accents
00:47 <Halcyon> Ahh probably Mike from France
01:23 <Halcyon> What did you guys talk about?
01:49 <steve30> Apparently the first thing that happened on his Whereby thing is someone sent a dick pick. I wonder who that was.
01:55 <steve30> I didn't speak, I just listened for 5 minutes
02:16 <Halcyon> Hahah yeh :P He didn't get in the call
05:15 <T3sl4> https://github.com/T3sl4co1l/Reverb
05:49 <Halcyon> Neat
06:30 <T3sl4> need to take some pictures and video of it, but that's the code
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16:27 <Ysjoelfir> hello all
21:37 <steve30> hi Ysjoelfir
23:50 <Ysjoelfir> hello steve30
25:38 <Halcyon> Hey Ysjoelfir
28:48 <Ysjoelfir> Hello Halcyon
29:01 * Ysjoelfir growls at the EEVBot
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33:46 <Ysjoelfir> Finally the internet is back again.
33:58 <Halcyon> Heh
35:06 <Internet> You haz hack the facebook? I good with computer.
35:41 <Ysjoelfir> No, I don't even use grimacebook
36:05 <Internet> I have a lot of experience with the whole computer thing you know, emails, sending emails, receiving emails, deleting emails, I could go on...
36:24 <Ysjoelfir> Nice! So you're an expert regarding things?
37:49 <steve30> I'm glad its nice and sunny :)
38:00 <Ysjoelfir> So tell me, should I get two Pentium 3 1133 for 27.80 or 2 Pentium 3 1400 for 67.90?
38:17 <Ysjoelfir> I am not steve30. It's been too dry the last weeks, the farmers seem to be suffering :(
38:39 <Halcyon> Don't old people use the Facebooks?
38:53 <Internet> I'm a genius at the facebook. Just ask me.
39:04 <Halcyon> I do like your The IT Crowd reference though :P
39:16 <steve30> I did hear something about young people shunning facebook because its something their parents/grandparents use
39:26 <Halcyon> "Young" people are going one level more retarded
39:31 <Halcyon> These days it's all about Tik Tok
39:41 <Halcyon> It seems you don't even need to have a brain anymore
40:48 <Halcyon> It's not as if the Chinese Government are getting anything out of it or anything ;-)
42:09 <steve30> I had a MySpace page briefly.
42:26 <steve30> That was enough social networking for one lifetime.
44:38 <Internet> I build a great MySpace page. Nobody builds a MySpace page better than me. Believe me.
45:04 <Halcyon> That's OK, I do GeoCities better than you :P
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49:25 <Ysjoelfir> fuck, the Internet is down again!
50:25 <Ysjoelfir> so guys, its up to you then. P3 1.133 or 1.4?
50:41 <steve30> how much money have you got?
51:25 <Halcyon> I doubt there is much difference between the two
55:04 <Ysjoelfir> Well, I finally got a raise four months before getting kicked out, so I have the money for both versions right now (goal is to build a system I always wanted as a kid - a watercooled dual Tualatin on slot 1 to socket 370 adapters). But I don't want to spend it blindly as I feel the 1.4s are way overpowered, being the fastest tualatins ever made
55:11 <Ysjoelfir> *overpriced
59:55 <steve30> I should head out. Back later.
00:01 <Ysjoelfir> nooooooo
00:04 <Ysjoelfir> help me xD
00:22 <steve30> Difficult to say what you should get as I'm not too familiar with the newer P3s
00:38 <Ysjoelfir> Me neither, never could afford one back then
01:03 <steve30> I might be inclined to get the 1.1 simply for being cheaper, but i'm not sure what the performance difference would be like
01:11 <steve30> Newest P3 I have is 500MHz
02:15 <Ysjoelfir> I think it's more a question of... "feeling"? like I always WANTED the 1.4 gig Tualatin. Or a 1266 Tuleron. But is it worth the big premium just for owning it now?
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57:02 <Ysjoelfir> Halcyon?
17:42 <Ysjoelfir> I decided for the cheaper option.
17:46 <Ysjoelfir> But where is Halcyon?
21:37 <Lemon> hi peeps
21:44 <Ysjoelfir> Hi Lemon
22:05 <Ysjoelfir> So I bought shit. How about you?
22:44 <Lemon> well im looking at those weird thermometer waves I dont understand, they seem smaller for some reasons
22:47 <Lemon> what did you bought ?
23:40 <Ysjoelfir> Two Tualatin capable Slotkets, two Tualatins, and a tie with the colors of sweden.
29:43 <Ysjoelfir> So, what do you think about it, Lemon?
30:10 <Lemon> what are those ? :O
30:16 <Ysjoelfir> :O
30:19 <Lemon> the tie heh thats neat :P I have no ties
30:30 <Ysjoelfir> you don't know what a tie is? :O
30:55 <Lemon> a tie yes but a tualatin capable slotkets no xD
31:29 <Ysjoelfir> :OOOOOOOOOO
31:33 <Ysjoelfir> its the king!
31:40 <Ysjoelfir> the kind of pentium 3!
32:12 <Ysjoelfir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZUiowktD1c
32:27 <Lemon> ha I would have understand this way, I was too young to know those codenames :P
33:21 <Ysjoelfir> its the best P3 ever made.
33:44 <Ysjoelfir> however, they don't run in all boards, so you have to mod the CPUs and the sockets to make them work.
33:47 <Lemon> you want to build an old beast pc ? :>
34:38 <Ysjoelfir> yes. also it is possible to make them (socket 370 CPUs) run on Slot 1 Board using "slotkets", which is a slot 1 to socket 370 adapter
34:43 <Lemon> speaking of old things, I kinda want to work on a doom episode
35:06 <Ysjoelfir> and since there are dual slot 1 boards, and I happen to have one,.... :D
35:10 <Lemon> I had this idea too but with older stuff, for a dos computer :P
35:13 <Ysjoelfir> I try to make it watercooled, too
38:29 <Lemon> you'll play my doom 2 episode on it :>
39:07 <Ysjoelfir> does it run with a PowerVR Kyro 2 and Voodoo 3 SLI?
39:14 <Ysjoelfir> is 1 GB RAM enough?
39:30 <Lemon> only on quad voodoo 3 sli sadly
41:01 <Lemon> I know my father had some voodoo's but where, thats a big question
41:13 <Ysjoelfir> :O
41:34 <Lemon> I wouldnt be surprised if he tossed them away
41:42 <Lemon> once I had to convince him to not throw a model m xd
42:01 <Ysjoelfir> :OOOOOOOOO
42:04 <Lemon> he just didnt gave a fuck, he used those old thingies for decades, for him they were nothing more than old things
42:05 <Ysjoelfir> I always wanted a model m
42:54 <Lemon> they are fine keyboards, a bit tiring if you are used to light linears like me
42:58 <Lemon> but sturdy motherfuckers
43:13 <Ysjoelfir> I hate linear switches :)
43:21 <Ysjoelfir> I like to feel the point of no return ;P
43:34 <Lemon> well you do feel it when you bottom the keys :P
43:45 <Ysjoelfir> but before that its just mushy
44:20 <Lemon> ho def not !
44:29 <Lemon> gateron reds are really smooth at least
44:40 <Lemon> its a pleasure to type on it
44:48 <Lemon> and I hate mushy switches :>
45:18 <Ysjoelfir> I never tried gateron, but I have one with MX black. i hate it
45:38 <Lemon> well you either love or hate them thats true :>
46:08 <Lemon> but yeah, I want to make doom maps again
46:12 <Lemon> I used to map quite a lot when I was younger
46:17 <Lemon> and I always wanted to make a full episode
46:24 <Lemon> I was mostly making multiplayer maps
47:25 <Ysjoelfir> then go on :)
49:22 <Lemon> have you ever played blood ?
49:26 <Ysjoelfir> no
49:38 <Lemon> you should really, its one of the finest build engine game
49:44 <Lemon> with duke 3d, and shadow warrior
51:10 <Lemon> they are my favourite type of games, doom 1/2, duke nukem 3d, blood, shadow warrior, rise of the triad, and some new old style ones too like ion maiden, project warlock, dusk etc
52:00 <Ysjoelfir> yeah, I enjoyed them in multiplayer back then. as well as quake 3 and... the other one.
52:23 <Lemon> unreal tournament ? :>
52:29 <Ysjoelfir> yes
54:10 <Lemon> I kinda wanted to make some sort of marathon playing them in coop :>
54:26 <Lemon> theres some nice sourceports
54:42 <Lemon> for doom theres tons, duke 3d I think theres some ncie ones too, blood theres less but fresh supply is alright
57:05 <Ysjoelfir> hehe^^
58:42 <K> hello
58:54 <Lemon> hi K
58:55 <Ysjoelfir> hello K
06:43 <Lemon> I was just thinking
06:57 <Lemon> maybe right now, now thats soldered and everything, the thermometer is showing me real variations
07:16 <Lemon> and before when it was on th e breadboard, it appeared flatter but it was somewhat false
54:54 * Ampera squeezes Lemon 
55:21 <Ampera> for some ungodly reason I woke up at 6:30 and didn't fall back asleep
55:23 <Lemon> hi bud !
55:31 <Lemon> story of my life
55:36 <Lemon> but change that to 4am :>
56:05 <Ampera> I am looking forward to tonight when I can get in bed, and fall asleep
56:09 <Ampera> without my alarm clock being set
56:19 <Lemon> best feeling ever
56:25 <Lemon> im going to do that but this afternoon
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04:25 <Ysjoelfir> I went to bed at 4am
04:44 <Ampera> Ysjoelfir, good man
06:45 <Ysjoelfir> well, I played quite some civilisation IV yesterday...
07:05 <Ysjoelfir> when SWMBO was snorring away on the sofa I didn't notice the time fly by
07:44 <Ampera> Ysjoelfir, ahh, the classic civ trap
08:30 <Ysjoelfir> yes
09:07 <Ysjoelfir> I was like "oh, we're nearly in imperial age! just a few more rounds. Oh, its 0:30. lets just reach imperial and go to bed
09:27 <Ampera> I've only ever played Civ 1
09:42 <Ampera> and am content enough with it to not really care about any future incarnations
09:50 <Ysjoelfir> meanwhile a war between Ghandi and me, Harald Hardrade, was raging, as Ghandi decided that that it would be a good thing to convert norway to being hinduistic, which I didn
09:53 <Ysjoelfir> 't like
10:37 <Ysjoelfir> I played civ 3 back then. nice game. tried civ 6 at a friend last week and the virus struck me again
11:36 <Ysjoelfir> btw Ampera, do you have a good suggestion for a free FTP tool? I used filezilla quite a lot back then, but I remember it crashing on me quite often when doing big transfers with thousands of files
12:17 <Ampera> Filezilla is what I use normally for FTP, but if FTP isn't doing it for you SFTP is far superior
12:35 <Ampera> it's basically a remote filesystem through an SSH tunnel
13:15 <Ampera> Not all that fun if you're on Windows, though I think Windows 10 now has support for it at least as a server and using command line SFTP (and of course filezilla has SFTP support too), but on Linux/Unix it's absolutely magical
13:26 <Ampera> I use it as a WAN available fileshare holding all my movies/music
16:12 <Ysjoelfir> I wonder if my hoster supports that?
16:59 <Ampera> No clue, but another reason why doing your own hosting is always nice
17:02 <Ampera> or at least using a VPS
18:25 <Ysjoelfir> well, my fileserver is running 24/7 and I have 40 MB/s upload... so... for my private, personal stuff that could well be an option. but I assume its rather hard to administrate on windows.
18:36 <Ampera> it is
18:54 <Ampera> but when set up right, it's like SMB but secure over WAN
18:57 <Ampera> full random acces
20:02 <Ysjoelfir> I don't know if I want to go through the hassle to set that up
20:12 <hsn> hola
20:17 <Ysjoelfir> hello hsn
20:19 * Ampera hollars at hsn 
20:30 <hsn> good friday to both of u
20:43 <Ampera> is it good friday?
20:59 <Ampera> no that was April 2, hsn you're lying to us
21:12 <hsn> :>
21:20 <hsn> all fridays are good down here
21:20 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: Yeah, nah. https://t.co/DX1CuhfIs5
21:34 <hsn> ysjoelfir did u play with kicad right ?
21:55 <hsn> https://snipboard.io/Yoba4j.jpg << this thing cant be rendered correctly ?
23:05 <hsn> also how ur crankcase thingy went
23:10 <Ysjoelfir> not really, I tried it once but don't like it
23:38 <Ysjoelfir> the crankcase thing went good. I fixed it. also the idle speed is back down to 700 rpms
23:59 <hsn> nice does it vibrate a lot now ?
24:11 <hsn> so u use liscensed / cracked altium for ur free lance jobs ?
24:32 <hsn> freelance* one word was it
24:55 <hsn> or personal project ^
25:13 <Ysjoelfir> no, it runs very smooth. it can go down to 400 before starting to seriously shake
25:38 <Ysjoelfir> I use that 500€ altium thing for my freelancing, not the 10000€ designer
26:03 <hsn> 500 is one time payment right?
26:08 <Ysjoelfir> yes
26:22 <hsn> ok is it fast ? shortcuts available ?
26:29 <Ysjoelfir> I think its up now again, they had a discount when cadsoft went to subscription based
26:50 <Ysjoelfir> yes, its basically altium designer, but with some reduced functions like 3D and stuff
27:00 <hsn> so no 3d?
30:12 <Ysjoelfir> https://www.element14.com/community/servlet/JiveServlet/downloadBody/76216-102-1-315698/CS%20v%20AD%20Feature%20Comparison%20-%20Final.pdf hsn
32:31 <hsn> so view but no export
33:36 <Ysjoelfir> yes
35:07 <hsn> cool
35:34 <hsn> im planing to do small pcb 15mm dia with nrf52832
36:08 <Ysjoelfir> for a table tennis tracker?^^
36:25 <hsn> the WLSCP package is half size of qfn but i think it will be super expensive to manufacture right?
36:33 <hsn> .4mm pitch
36:52 <hsn> no ring product http://www.mossawistudios.com/oxygem
37:01 <Ysjoelfir> 400 microns is pretty small, yes.
37:10 <Ysjoelfir> so I assume it will be extry expensive
37:22 <hsn> damn
37:44 <Ysjoelfir> intersting product
37:51 <hsn> so maybe qfn is better for the prototyping even if it go larger than 15mm
38:25 <Ysjoelfir> for prototyping its always better
38:33 <Ysjoelfir> to go the cheaper route
39:00 <hsn> yeah
39:53 <hsn> also what is good for debuging the mcu ? for such small board
40:18 <hsn> the board-to-board connectors used in mobile phones have 20 mate cycles
40:28 <hsn> i dont think its good to use them :(
40:38 <hsn> for programming / debugging
40:59 <Ysjoelfir> pogo pins in a custom jig?
41:36 <hsn> ok "pogo pin" research to be done
42:15 <Ysjoelfir> xD
42:34 <Ysjoelfir> basically a probe with a springloaded tip that you can push directly onto pads of your product
42:51 <hsn> can that custom jug is pcb ?
43:00 <Ysjoelfir> sure
44:18 <hsn> huh,, can that pogo pins be used as charge circuit like apple earbuds ?
44:21 <Ysjoelfir> most of the time the jig is just a PCB with holes at a specific place to solder the pogo pins into, a connector for your debugger and something to hold the product in the right place
44:36 <Ysjoelfir> I have no idea about those nasty ear killers
45:03 <hsn> ear killers ? do they explode ?
45:49 <Ysjoelfir> no, but i think everyone that uses those looks incredibly stupid, doesn't hear his surrounding anymore and also I find those earbuds (all earbuds I ever tried) absolutely uncomfortable
47:37 <hsn> xD
47:53 <hsn> they make ur ear pregnunt ?
47:55 <hsn> xD
48:26 <Ysjoelfir> yeah.
49:47 <hsn> oh ,, can i use (https://snipboard.io/viwSRk.jpg) A side for contact ?
50:00 <hsn> becasue it has less dia 0.016
50:45 <hsn> so it will look funny .. and less force because its holding its wieght + maybe soldering will actually destroy the spring inside ?
51:03 <K> nah, it will be fine
51:03 <Ysjoelfir> sure, but thats not the way its meant to be used. but I assume it can be right
51:18 <K> i've soldered some, is fine
51:22 <hsn> nice
51:39 <Ysjoelfir> yeah, soldering is fine, no problems there
52:00 <hsn> very cool
52:19 <K> but be sure to not compress the pins at an angle, as that will bend the moving part and jam
53:10 <K> also, pay attention to hole sizes for pins, regular size is too big and then it is pain to align when soldering in
53:49 <K> little suckers get hot in no time, so holding while soldering with fingers/nails takes some willpower
54:50 <hsn> oh yeah also i have to hold them at some height when soldering
55:21 <hsn> otherwise i loose the stroke length
58:19 <hsn> this particular one has (full stroke of 1.4mm) so that fixture board should be much thinner than standard 1.6mm
59:52 <Ysjoelfir> I'd say you should use an other pogo for that
00:10 <hsn> yeah
01:48 <hsn> from digikey filter this look like the minimum dia i can get
02:45 <Ysjoelfir> well... you could always contact eg. a via or another component that is connected to the debug pin you need
03:22 <hsn> oh
03:53 <hsn> its ok i dont need bigger just checking limitations
04:04 <hsn> for future knowledge i know what i can what i cant
04:24 <hsn> i dont need smaller **
13:10 <Ysjoelfir> I didn't know this was a thing. but I somehow enjoy it while working. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElhHt3NCJNY
35:08 <hsn> the background is cool :P
37:01 <K> there are ready made pogo things
37:03 <K> for icsp
37:27 <K> costs some, but on dev side it only needs pads+some holes on target pcb
37:42 <K> i.e pogos are on cable side
39:42 <K> https://www.tag-connect.com/
39:49 <K> haven't used them myselft though
47:14 <hsn> i saw these jtag they look cool ..
58:45 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: Question about #jitsi I presume that it's better to install it on your own dedicated server instead of using their free server? I would presume you'd get better and more reliable bandwidth using your own?
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