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48:37 <MrMobodies> Woke up this morning, Windows 7 went into recovery mode to fix boot problems, but i never had a problem the day before. I was worried, "Wwas SSD failure?" better take it out to do a copy important stuff and do a disc image and so on. I couldn't find a problems with the SSD.
49:24 <MrMobodies> put it back into do the the boot up "fix" and cannot repair this computer... blah blah blah
49:33 <MrMobodies> I was think what did I do last night?
49:40 <MrMobodies> I didn't install anything
50:53 <MrMobodies> but then I had an issue with a tool I used, OSF mount couldn't load drives or cd images due to signature with the driver.
51:10 <MrMobodies> Loaded up to allow drivers without signatures.... works fine.
52:14 <MrMobodies> Logs tell me bugger all in the boot environment and just to send logs and contact microsoft... over an unsigned driver that it set to load bootup that anybody can solve easily.
54:17 <MrMobodies> but when I start windows normal it still went into recovery mode over that OSFmount driver.
54:34 <MrMobodies> and that not works too.
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58:51 <Ampera> Hi ThunderSqueak, how are you doing
59:10 <ThunderSqueak> hello there, doing ok :) may have found a job :D
59:10 <EEVBlog> Hello there, ThunderSqueak!
59:20 <Ampera> That's awesome
03:27 <ThunderSqueak> writing code for testing hardware o.o
09:04 <Ampera> ThunderSqueak, that's almost what I'm doing.
09:14 <Ampera> except I'm testing software
09:22 <ThunderSqueak> *nod*
09:24 <ThunderSqueak> :>
12:24 <coppice> a job? they still have those in the US?
13:14 <ThunderSqueak> I would be working for a swiss company
13:15 <Ampera> coppice, we have as much of a job market as the UK has a fair and unbiased media.
13:20 <ThunderSqueak> <.<
13:48 <coppice> Ampera: we have as much of a job market as the US has a fair and unbiased media.
15:03 <coppice> Ampera: we have a lot less people laid off, but the job market probably sucks about the same amount
15:24 <Ampera> I'd say that's about right.
32:53 <MrMobodies> I was at a place once, where nobody could get any work
33:24 <MrMobodies> One left school with many qualifications, and he was told he didn't have the experience and they refused an interview
33:50 <MrMobodies> the others didn't get any reply back or told they didn't have the qualifications and that is apprenticeship stuff
34:05 <MrMobodies> in my old area
34:27 <MrMobodies> I have been offered some opportunities and training some days ago so I am well pleased
35:31 <MrMobodies> I made it clear to the case work, I am not doing any tests and even when I did pass their tests I kept on getting rejected
35:51 <MrMobodies> they only tests I am willing to do is after training
36:11 <MrMobodies> it's about time good things start to happen.
37:29 <MrMobodies> I remember someone who applied for an book keeper position, they were doing their accountancy course,
38:13 <MrMobodies> they complained that they were overtested with things that had nothing to do with book keeping or accountancy.
39:20 <MrMobodies> they said she passed with flying colours but the only jobs they had for her was, stacking shelving or role modelling, in some business that ran in a place called Romford. She complained that advert was misleading only to be told "well that's what we do here"
40:21 <MrMobodies> sorry to bore everybody
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38:56 <rust_collector> hey-ooo
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11:53 <MrMobodies> Hello
14:31 <steve30> o/
16:55 <MrMobodies> I got setup a camera in this workshop
17:05 <MrMobodies> the neighbours cat had been coming in
17:14 <MrMobodies> and when I look, it runs away
18:10 <steve30> meow ;)
18:10 <MrMobodies> it is a very strange cat, it will sit there, watch, I'd see it in my side vision and when turn my head, it bolts it.
18:35 <MrMobodies> It is sort of white with brown bits on it.
19:31 <MrMobodies> Earlier on in your photostream
19:33 <MrMobodies> https://www.flickr.com/photos/36651585@N04/17099061881/
19:39 <MrMobodies> I recognise that monitor
19:50 <MrMobodies> I had one of those with the Atari 1400STE
20:14 <MrMobodies> I think the one I had had a headphone jack on the left side
20:33 <steve30> its a nice monitor.
20:37 <steve30> That one has a headphone jack
21:14 <MrMobodies> I can see it looks really good, I didn't know they could produce great pictures past the basic colours
22:15 <MrMobodies> that AT? keyboard
22:17 <steve30> In that photo its connected via composite input
22:21 <MrMobodies> is that a Cherry Acorn?
22:37 <steve30> The keyboard is a modern Unicomp
24:22 <MrMobodies> so they still make them, I like how the deep the keys cango
25:18 <MrMobodies> Another interesting thing in your pictures
25:19 <MrMobodies> https://www.flickr.com/photos/36651585@N04/3737614876/
25:33 <MrMobodies> Voodoo 3300 but I was wondering what kind of ram that is
26:01 <MrMobodies> not the usual sdram but quad flat packed
26:21 <steve30> on the voodoo card itself?
26:40 <MrMobodies> yes
27:17 <steve30> don't know
27:18 <MrMobodies> SGRAM?
27:37 <MrMobodies> I know Matrox had another type which I think was SGRAM
28:34 <MrMobodies> https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=29H6lLwJYDsC&pg=PA118&lpg=PA118&dq=VOODOO+3300+SGRAM&source=bl&ots=Bbxj9HTV5s&sig=ACfU3U1x1g1b1AGtz3cd4tP8h5PzWjUMzA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwijsJuaoq_pAhX3WRUIHfJcDdAQ6AEwAXoECAoQAQ#v=onepage&q=VOODOO%203300%20SGRAM&f=false
10:52 <Halcyon> Morning everyone
11:00 <rust_collector> yes
11:37 <steve30> hi Halcyon
12:41 <Halcyon> Hey Steve :)
12:46 <MrMobodies> morning
12:48 <steve30> i think i'll get some food
12:54 <Halcyon> What ya getting?
13:03 <steve30> hmm, cheese on toast i think
13:10 <Halcyon> Yum
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22:29 * Halcyon coffees Steve
22:49 <MrMobodies> I have some lovelly pizzas in the fridge, Manhatten with Ham Pineapple
22:54 <Halcyon> Yum
23:02 <MrMobodies> the problem is if I so much look at one I'd put some extra stones
23:05 <Halcyon> I was actually considering pizza for dinner
23:27 <MrMobodies> gotta run the fat off after
23:31 <MrMobodies> that's what i finds
24:26 <MrMobodies> pleasure: eating, pain: gasteric problems, acid reflux, ingidestion and bloated stomatch
25:30 <MrMobodies> I got lovelly cup of decaffinated tea, brewed just right, perhaps the best cup of tea I had today
28:41 * steve30 purchased coffee and chocolate at the shops today
31:14 <rust_collector> but, pizza is almost flat, it can not be that bad...
35:17 * steve30 hugs Halcyon 
36:02 <MrMobodies> I envy you,for me it is, I have gotten to an age where I can get bloated very quickly when it comes to bread and cheese.
36:26 <MrMobodies> but somehow beer doesn't bloat me that quickly so I'll have a Speckled Hen soon
37:29 <MrMobodies> more than ten years ago I could eat more than 8 slices of bread a day, now I can't go over 4 without problems
37:30 <rust_collector> beer makes me almost explode. I can have one or two, but that is it
37:44 <MrMobodies> well I only have 1 or 2 myself
37:58 <steve30> i haven't had any beer for ages
38:20 <rust_collector> I have had 3 this year, I think
38:31 <MrMobodies> I was encouraged to like it again some years ago
38:42 <MrMobodies> an Essex man introduced me back to the pub
38:43 <rust_collector> but I have had countless pizzas
39:13 <MrMobodies> also I don't work much so that I think is a contributing factor
39:22 <MrMobodies> but with the gardening tools arriving that may change
39:28 <rust_collector> yes, that does not help
39:41 <MrMobodies> I have been out of work for about two years
39:56 <MrMobodies> but it is looking promising in this new borough
40:10 <rust_collector> well, you can probably do something, even if it is not your job....
40:33 <MrMobodies> I wouldn't mind that
40:40 <MrMobodies> if I can work, earn a little money, eat my favourite food I'd be complete again
41:19 <MrMobodies> when I say favourite food I mean the natural way of working it off through work
41:40 <rust_collector> I think i will ask for a week or two off. I am getting bored
41:54 <MrMobodies> bored?
42:01 <rust_collector> yes.
42:24 <MrMobodies> in my old house, right before I moved, I use to wake up just to get back to sleep.
42:30 <MrMobodies> that's how boring it was
42:37 <rust_collector> My job never ends. you do your thing, then the next day, you do it again.
42:39 <MrMobodies> in this house, lots of space, land,
42:43 <MrMobodies> aah
42:48 <MrMobodies> reptitive kind of work
42:58 <rust_collector> sort of yes
43:32 <MrMobodies> I remembered some work at an office
43:39 <MrMobodies> that was quite repetitive
44:00 <MrMobodies> 3 days to do one box of sheets and barcode scan them
44:13 <MrMobodies> but I found a way of doing 3 boxes in one day
44:33 <MrMobodies> it required a bit of space though which they gave me as they had a back log of boxes
45:10 <MrMobodies> quite simople, lay everything one on the other overlapping a bit, get the barcode tags out, and slap on the on the bit on the ends
45:20 <MrMobodies> push all the folders into a pile
45:56 <MrMobodies> and go straight through thenm with the barcode scanner and the enteries, I just use the tab key using timed pressing and that ws a way of stopping me getting bored
46:23 <rust_collector> I used to run excavators and such. it was pretty fun, while I was on smaller jobs, laying cables in a ditch, or whatever. maybe fix up an old road... but then I was sent on a bigger project, building the new motorway, and part of the railroad line. it was just no fun. you had one huge pile of rocks, to load onto trucks, and after a day, you didn't even notice a tiny difference. it was still a huge pile. then after a week, you still did
46:23 <rust_collector> not see any difference to speak of... blah
46:55 <rust_collector> so, I quit doing that stuff
47:11 <MrMobodies> you know I know someone around here who does all that kind of stuff
47:21 <MrMobodies> I met him at the locally house round the corner
47:36 <MrMobodies> he builds crank shafts for those bulldozer things
47:52 <rust_collector> so, he is a machinist?
48:23 <MrMobodies> I am not sure if he of his precision
48:46 <MrMobodies> I think they do for a company called catapillar
49:03 <MrMobodies> but that is what he said he does all day
49:18 <MrMobodies> and he enjoys it, and going to the pub with his poodle
49:39 <rust_collector> I like machining things, but maybe not grinding cranks every day, lol
49:58 <MrMobodies> I think he used industrial machines in warehouse
50:14 <MrMobodies> perhaps not hard work for him
50:58 <rust_collector> well, yes, he would. and no, it is not hard work, but you know, when you have done 150 of them this year, it does get pretty dull
51:23 <MrMobodies> I think he said they can produce 50 or so an hour
51:29 <rust_collector> but, he would have oteher things to do also
51:59 <rust_collector> hmm, is it a forge, maybe?
52:00 <MrMobodies> I think he said that's all he doe sbut sometimes when they are short they pull him away to do the o
52:21 <MrMobodies> when I see him next down the park, I'll ask him
52:58 <rust_collector> I guess modern cnc machines can crank out a lot of cranks in no time, I dunno?
53:07 <Halcyon> OMG, I love Lenovo products but dealing with their Singapore logistic call centre is painful
53:37 <MrMobodies> I have a neigbour three doors down, he reminds me of the machinst out of Roy Schmidt out of American Hotrod, he looks the same, sounds the same.
53:41 <Halcyon> The woman tried to tell me I'm not able to see tracking information via Expeditors, yet I tried to explain that I can, I click the tracking number and I can see every scan event
53:42 <rust_collector> hehe, the tech guy from dell yelled at me... you was your day?
54:11 <MrMobodies> Wwas the guy from Dell Scottish?
54:21 <rust_collector> I have no idea
54:43 <Halcyon> Hahaha
54:47 <MrMobodies> "Nooot ma probleem, it's yoer problem, noothing to do with mee.,,"
55:12 <MrMobodies> Scottish accent
55:12 <rust_collector> I made the huge mistake of calling my presicion m90 a laptop, he got really pissed about that
55:26 <rust_collector> no, I think he was probably more indian
55:37 <MrMobodies> Precision M90 the silver one?
55:49 <rust_collector> precision... why do I always do that
55:57 <MrMobodies> wow I had one of those, back before the Lenovo, nothing wrong with it but it made a whiney sound
55:59 <rust_collector> yes, big silver laptop
56:19 <rust_collector> it was a great machine, imo, but the graphics card died
56:36 <rust_collector> I did really like the 17" screen
56:41 <Halcyon> We've had a lot of overheating issues with Dell machines at work
56:43 <MrMobodies> I thought like the Lenovo the graphics card is on a slot
57:04 <rust_collector> it is plugged into a weird flat connector thing
57:21 <MrMobodies> I remembered the engineer doing a board swap and I think it did have the Quadro card separate
57:27 <rust_collector> yes
57:46 <MrMobodies> I can't remember it if had a separate vent and fan for the graphics card
57:57 <rust_collector> mine had the quadro fx1500 ( I think it was) but you could get them with up to 3500??
58:03 <rust_collector> it had
58:20 <rust_collector> 2 fans, and a tube thing, so one fan on each side
59:00 <MrMobodies> oh good, for that grade but the one I had was in 2008
59:29 <MrMobodies> I remember it has the Intel 965 northbridge on that one
59:47 <MrMobodies> but the Lenovo has only got the I945 chipset
00:02 <rust_collector> the sad thing, is that all the graphics went thru the "plugin" card, so I could not just use the built in graphics
00:03 <MrMobodies> I like the keyboard too
00:37 <rust_collector> the dock had its own graphics thing too
00:41 <MrMobodies> I thought you could, I'd have to check with the Lenovo, I know it was an option not ot have a graphics card
00:50 <MrMobodies> that's nice
00:56 <rust_collector> yes, but it was a dell
01:06 <MrMobodies> Dell are different
01:23 <rust_collector> yes, I guess they are different, just to be different
01:28 <MrMobodies> I put some PCI card in there, it deosn't get post an a particular model
01:55 <rust_collector> did you find that device in your bios whitelist?
02:21 <MrMobodies> a whitelst? for something back in 2004
02:40 <rust_collector> I have no idea when they started with that...
02:54 <MrMobodies> the card did work on the previous models and the models after but not the Optiplex 300? model
03:09 <MrMobodies> Pentoum HT 333 FSB boards
03:39 <MrMobodies> I think it conflicted with the serial ports on the card because that is it had
04:37 <MrMobodies> Going put ice in my cup
04:46 <MrMobodies> and poor it with the Speckled Hen
05:49 <rust_collector> ok, I am going to bed. I have to get up and do the same thing again tomorrow.
06:01 <rust_collector> most of the day, anyway
06:06 <rust_collector> have fun
12:21 <MrMobodies> night
13:16 <MrMobodies> doing the same thing again, I can imagine that would drive me crazy in many way
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21:46 <steve30> i should probably go back to bed soon
50:16 <Halcyon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykw0NxB7kyc
50:23 <Halcyon> I can't believe how some managers think
13:38 <steve30> Managers have to justify their own jobs
17:39 <steve30> I need someone to help me sleep. Maybe I should have a coffee
21:30 * steve30 curls up on Halcyon's lap
21:40 <MrMobodies> I know of a person I use to work with
21:54 <MrMobodies> he brought his family iphones
22:25 <MrMobodies> and he installed something that looked like "Find my iPhone" but it did a lot more
22:55 <MrMobodies> showed their activity, messages, where they've been
23:22 <MrMobodies> and he'd had me trace where his son went on the maps and we'd go and visit some wood
23:58 <MrMobodies> he also wanted me to bug some portacabins at a site but I refused to do it
24:30 <steve30> cool (if creepy and unethical)
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29:36 <steve30> mmm, that coffee was nice
42:48 <MrMobodies> I have a question
42:55 <MrMobodies> about Amazon Prime
43:33 <MrMobodies> if I buy a movie, does that mean I can download it let say in an MP4 file
44:10 <MrMobodies> Nevermind: When you purchase a movie from Amazon Instant Video, you're not buying it, exactly. It's more like renting indefinitely. This distinction matters if your notion of “buying” is that you pay for something once and then you get to keep that thing for as long as you want.
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15:04 <Halcyon> Mew
35:31 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Retweet: max :|: obsessed with this video https://t.co/vp1GkyRUi0
40:33 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: So China has just unleashed their beef import weapon on Australia. Yeah, ok, good luck with that. What next, baby formula? That would be an hilariously ironic dummy spit.
46:57 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: Ah, the good'ol Playlist bug, for those keen enough. https://t.co/LYxEuUiCk4
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52:27 <Halcyon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vbXQPX57xk
52:29 <Halcyon> That's neat
06:02 <T3sl4> https://www.reddit.com/r/Damnthatsinteresting/comments/gilid9/a_machine_that_makes_paint_from_the_color_of_an/ just before and as it's squirting paint, you're hearing stepper drivers i designed ^-^
06:43 <T3sl4> (or maybe not, it's an old accutinter; much of the fleet has probably been updated by now tho?)
07:13 <T3sl4> the first thing that moves is a cover, keeps the nozzles from drying out
09:39 <Halcyon> Clever
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32:38 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: Hey @TeamYouTube can you please add an "I've already seen it you dumb arse algorithm" option. Thanks. https://t.co/DiDATbOXln
37:10 <T3sl4> on the newer model we did a peltier controller to hold it at the dewpoint
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32:30 <Ysjoelfir> moin all
32:38 <Halcyon> Howdy Ysjoelfir
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55:00 <Ysjoelfir> Hey Halcyon, how are you? all fine in down under?
57:39 <hsn93> hey, till my down its ok
57:54 <hsn93> how is it in up their
00:22 <Ysjoelfir> hey hsn :) nice to know :D
01:15 <hsn93> T3sl4 how does it know quantity of mixture of colors?
01:37 <T3sl4> just a camera
01:53 <T3sl4> i forget if that's a bought thing, or if they came up with it themselves
01:56 <hsn93> float getRedQuentity(RGB){ return R; } ?
01:59 <T3sl4> i wasn't involved in the software side, obviously :P
02:45 <hsn93> R * white_paint_in_can_constant ...
03:11 <T3sl4> nah it'll be some kind of CYMK decomposition at least, maybe multispectral to better identify the types of pigments available (there's 12 or 16 tints available on those machines i think)
04:36 <hsn93> nice
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08:32 <Halcyon> Yeh doing well down here
08:34 <Halcyon> How about you?
11:57 <Ysjoelfir> I'm ok again. was a bit depressed the last week, but I got myself together again. Did some work on the Volvo yesterday and am cleaning the throttle plate right now. damn thing decided to idle around 1500 after I exchanged the crankcase pressure release oil trap thingy.
22:34 * hsn93 oil traps halcyon
27:45 * T3sl4 lights it on fire
29:19 <hsn93> Halcyon dances inside like fire worshipers
29:20 <hsn93> xD
29:30 <Ysjoelfir> xD
38:10 <hsn93> i must be on weed when i wrote the code im looking at now
38:18 <hsn93> or im at weed now
40:26 <Halcyon> :D
40:36 <Halcyon> Weed is bad hsn93
41:35 <hsn93> its and i dont weed .. but there is no other logical explaination :D
46:22 <Ysjoelfir> I think I should leave the home office and put back the throttle plate, seeing if it helped
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55:04 <hsn93> Ysjoelfir, throttle plate = butterfly valve?
55:43 <Ysjoelfir> yeah, basically. it controlls the amount of air that enters the intake manifold
56:00 <hsn93> how does it relate to crankcase ?
56:38 <hsn93> crankcase = engine cooling oil right ?
56:42 <Ysjoelfir> it doesn't, but I had to disassemble it (and the intake manifold) to get to the crankcase oil trap, ans since I did that the idle is too high
56:43 <hsn93> oil tank
57:29 <Ysjoelfir> crankcase is... well, the part a bit above the oil sump. it is the part of the engine where the crankshaft rotates and translates the pistons moving to a rotation.
58:05 <Ysjoelfir> since the pistons move up and down and there is never a completely tight seal at the piston rings there is a slight overpressure in the crankcase, which needs to vent somewhere. that is where the oil trap comes into play
58:13 <hsn93> damn i though its just oil tank ..
58:59 <hsn93> what is the tank that u open to drain oil to exchange it then ?
00:33 <Ysjoelfir> thats the oilpan or oil sump
04:43 <Ysjoelfir> so, I'm outside. until later guys
06:04 <hsn93> enjoy
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31:23 <rust_collector> mornings
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30:45 * Ysjoelfir returned
30:58 <Ysjoelfir> finished adjusting the volvo, runs smooth again
30:59 <rust_collector> WHOA!
31:01 * Ysjoelfir is happy
32:03 <K> hello
32:11 <Ysjoelfir> hello K
36:47 <rust_collector> adjusting a volvo? I thought they "just work"?
37:07 <Ysjoelfir> they do, unless you start doing shit wrong :D
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38:16 <Ysjoelfir> I replaced the oil trap, had to take off the intake manifold, injectors and injector rail and the throttle plate. after putting the stuff back again the idle went up to 1500 rpm when hot.
38:48 <rust_collector> okeh. where was the leak?
39:27 <rust_collector> and... does your breather have check valves?
40:29 <Ysjoelfir> nowhere. everything was fine, I even used new seals. Turned out that I must have somehow "dejusted" the throttle plate. took that out, cleaned it, adjusted it according to the volvo greenbooks - idles with 800rpms again and feels a bit more... "bitey" when kicking it
40:52 <rust_collector> eeh, ok
41:11 <Ysjoelfir> no, its a turbo, they just dump the oil into the turbocharger, no check valve required
42:00 <rust_collector> yes, it is a turbo, but some times they do weird things with hoses. So that is good then
42:29 <Ysjoelfir> yeah, I read that the valves in the non turbo version tend to clog up
42:52 <rust_collector> that can happen.
43:25 <rust_collector> some turbo cars return the crap on the pressure side of the turbo, which makes things much more interesting
44:49 <Ysjoelfir> why wouldn't you just dump it directly in the intake manifold?
51:32 <rust_collector> because engineers? I dunno?
51:44 <Ampera> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
51:50 <Ysjoelfir> b!
52:57 <rust_collector> hey, thanks for pci comment. I had to look more into it, and it seems to be just that 3.0 is a faster version of 2, so it will work, but maybe not at full speed
53:38 <Ampera> well yes, 3 is faster than 2
53:53 <Ampera> I believe 1x 3.0 is 8GT/s and 1x 2.) is 5GT/s
54:26 <rust_collector> yes, probably, but if you put a 3 card in a 2 slot, the thing should still work
54:28 <Ampera> in general the PCIe speed limits how fast you can dump data into the graphics card's VRAM, which can become a bottleneck if it's too slow
54:37 <Ampera> yeah it'll work fine, just slower
54:42 <rust_collector> right
55:05 <rust_collector> I have to look at the machine, it could be that it has a 3 slot. I dunno
55:24 <Ampera> what CPU is it
55:54 <rust_collector> uuh. I wonder if it was an I5 of some kind. I really do not remember
56:11 <Ampera> Age (which can be derived from model number) is really the determining factor
56:14 <rust_collector> it s just a year or two old
56:17 <rust_collector> yes
56:26 <Ampera> oh then it'll have PCIe 3
56:29 <rust_collector> but I have to open the thing, and see what it is
56:39 <rust_collector> ok, sounds good
56:54 <Ampera> You'd have to go back around 6-10 years to start finding Intel machines with PCIe 2
57:07 <rust_collector> good good.
58:17 <rust_collector> Now, kid #2 is asking if she can use xxxxx graphics card... I really can not keep up with those things. She has a gtx 960 now. which in my world still should be ok, lol
58:42 <rust_collector> oh well.
58:50 <Ampera> 960 is pretty weedy
59:12 <rust_collector> so, the card she is looking at is a gtx 1650...somename... let me see
59:16 <Ampera> I mean it'd do stuff, but it's an old card, and slow at the word go
59:39 <Ampera> mmm, 1600 series cards, I have a 1660Ti bought as a stopgap to be simply better than my GTX 970
59:55 * Halcyon licks Ampera in the ear
00:10 * Ampera hugs Halcyon 
00:11 <Halcyon> I made pork belly with crackling :)
00:24 * Ampera crackles Halcyon 
00:35 <rust_collector> gtx 1650 pegasus .
01:23 <rust_collector> oh well. I dunno.
01:48 <Ampera> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
02:00 <Ampera> graphics cards are usually only defined by one thing, how expensive they are.
02:21 <rust_collector> that sounds right
02:28 <Halcyon> I'm thinking about putting my 1050Ti in my Plex server for hardware rendering
03:13 <rust_collector> kid #1 got a rt.....x? 2080, he seems happy, but it did cost more than my car
03:18 * Ysjoelfir is happy with his RX Vega 64
03:27 <Ampera> rust_collector, you must have a cheap car
03:33 <rust_collector> yep
03:43 <rust_collector> well, it was free, so...
03:50 <Ampera> to be fair, my lunch costs more than my car
03:51 <Ampera> aye
04:06 <Halcyon> What did you have for lunch?
04:13 <Ampera> Yesterday? Sandwiches
04:19 <Halcyon> Yum
04:28 <rust_collector> hmm, food...
04:36 <rust_collector> i should try that
04:39 <Halcyon> I'll be back soon...
04:42 <Ampera> I'm planning on having an RTX 3080 or 3080 Ti
04:44 <Halcyon> Like 15 mins
05:34 <rust_collector> And I am happy with my intel built in graphics. YAAY!
06:17 <Ampera> Intel? What's that?
06:24 <rust_collector> so, are those rtx things that much better than the gtx?
06:48 <Ampera> RTX is just the name for the newer high end cards
06:49 <rust_collector> intel, they are probably the powervr things
07:04 <Ampera> so an RTX 2080 is to a GTX 1080, just one generation newer
07:12 <rust_collector> aah
07:13 <Ampera> no, Intel has their own strange shit.
07:22 <Ampera> PowerVR is phone stuff iirc
07:36 <Ampera> They do still have GTX cards, but they're just lower end
07:45 <Ampera> RTX means it has hardware accelerated raytracing.
08:01 <K> VRML
08:03 <K> !
08:24 <rust_collector> The atom used powervr graphics, I had lots of trouble with those. I think someone here said all intel graphics since xxxx was
09:32 <Ampera> honestly, wouldn't surprise me, Intel has proven to the world time and time again that they have no clue what the heck they're doing
12:40 <rust_collector> hmm, so. I guess I will just tell her it will work, and she can figure out if she wants to buy it
13:34 <coppice> Intel has displayed an amazing ability since the early 90s to be able to generate so much cash from CPUs that it can fill every drain they can find to pour it down
15:45 <rust_collector> heh, I read about some place, there there was a drain, that kept being clogged up from people throwing coins in. hmm, where was that....
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16:17 <coppice> there are a few of those in tourist spots
18:11 <rust_collector> yes, I guess. the thing was that it was in a tight spot, so they could not just suck it out with a pump, they had to send some guy down there with a bucket. I bet there are plenty of places like that.
20:35 <coppice> why do people look at a fountain and feel it needs to be full of coins? It has been happening since Roman times
21:10 <hsn> https://hsn93.com/www/WhatsApp%20Video%202020-05-13%20at%201.19.22%20PM.mp4
21:18 <hsn> damn :)
29:07 <rust_collector> they should put chilli powder of those qtips
35:01 <hsn> thats deep
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51:39 <rust_collector> ok, time to go to the same as yesterday, and the day before... have fun
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55:44 <steve30> o/
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21:17 <hsn> \_p_/
22:45 <K> big pp?
23:03 <hsn> pp ?
23:19 <hsn> big neck maybe
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10:24 <canadaguest> hi..sorry if this isn't an easy topic but if theres anyone here who likes to crimp a lot - I have to ask if theres any real difference between "Oval crimping, Double crimp" and "Oval crimping, Parallel crimp"
10:24 <EEVBlog> hi.
23:51 <Lord_of_nothing> Hi
24:51 <canadaguest> hi lord_of_nothing what kind of nothingness do you want today? :) hehe
25:11 <Lord_of_nothing> i just looking for porn
27:15 <canadaguest> naked electrons I hope :)
28:10 <Lord_of_nothing> nope who ladys exploring the magic of motors, gears and other stuff
29:40 <canadaguest> ok :)
30:14 * canadaguest is just trying to figure out which weidmuller tools to get
30:26 <Lord_of_nothing> well i looking for a easy was to use a script language to read in some text
31:05 <Lord_of_nothing> to make it simple to read a RSS Feed with pyton or the speelled
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43:41 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: I heard that the US military airconditioning budget was greater than NASA's entire budget. Seems kinda-sorta-maybe true: https://t.co/ZI7GI8TmxP
54:05 <canadaguest> hm think going afk for a while as not exactly much in here right now
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05:49 * Ysjoelfir must have been fallen asleep
12:20 * Ampera falls asleep on Ysjoelfir 
12:28 <Ysjoelfir> aww
12:31 * Ysjoelfir pets Ampera
13:32 * Ampera purrs
13:35 <Ampera> or something
13:38 <Ampera> idk I ain't into this shit
13:45 <Ysjoelfir> XD
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26:15 <K> sleeping, Ampera?
27:10 <Ampera> not now unfortunately
43:46 <Lord_of_nothing> Whats your local time? I just finnished my lunch
46:29 <K> 16:46
49:01 <Ampera> 09:48, Lord_of_nothing
51:35 <steve30> sleep ftw
53:56 <K> sleep is for the weak.
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55:28 <Lemon> ma bois,
56:31 <Lemon> how its goin ?
57:44 <steve30> hi
58:40 <Ampera> Lemon, waiting for people to join a meeting
58:51 <Ampera> It's a standup meeting, but, and nobody tell anyone
58:53 <Ampera> I'm sitting down
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