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11:36 <canadaguest> sorry was a little distracted, but thansk rust_collector
12:59 * canadaguest is making up my shoplist
22:42 * rust_collector is trying to find my list
23:35 <canadaguest> heh, list for what? :)
24:19 <rust_collector> shopping list
25:00 <rust_collector> and I maybe have to translate it into modern components. we will see
25:36 <canadaguest> oh ok
26:53 <rust_collector> have to find it first, lol
32:05 <canadaguest> rust_collector the one thing thats still annoying me for several weeks now tho is how difficult it is to simply find a new spade connector :-/
32:18 <canadaguest> but mm ah well
33:43 <canadaguest> anyway have fun with your shopping or cup or whatever over there rust_collector I'm going off for a while today
34:05 <rust_collector> have fun
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10:57 Quit: Lemon ([email protected]) EOF from client
42:29 <steve30> AC men are done for the day
42:37 <steve30> They need to come back tomorrow to finish off
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46:11 <Lemon> am back
46:17 <Lemon> that was a solid nap
46:21 <rust_collector> we noticed
51:38 <Lemon> ok so im looking around but those 0.1% 15ppm vishay resistors seems to be my best bet
51:57 <rust_collector> they are probably more than good enough
52:21 <Lemon> I also just thought about something
52:34 <Lemon> I was stubborn on looking at a divider for 50 to 3v
52:40 <Lemon> but why not aim higher if possible ?
52:53 <Lemon> not hundreds of volts
52:58 <Lemon> but 80, or even 100
52:59 <Lemon> why not
53:08 <rust_collector> well. because it is more?
53:18 <Lemon> more what ? volts ?
53:32 <Lemon> afterall, that doesnt change anything
53:36 <rust_collector> but play around with it. if 63v makes nice nubers....
53:43 <Lemon> yeah
53:45 <Lemon> lets see
54:01 <Lemon> id like to know if im missing something
54:07 <Lemon> I need a random german engeener
54:09 <rust_collector> it makes it further between each step, sort of. but yes, it should be ok.
54:25 <Lemon> yes true but im using a 24 bit, 23 noise free adc
54:34 <Lemon> it should be plenty, lets verify that first
54:35 <rust_collector> hmm, why not leave it to the kraut?
55:06 <Lemon> and no !
55:13 <Lemon> as the input at the end will be under 3
55:17 <Lemon> steps doesnt change, no ?
55:47 <rust_collector> well... "steps" it is just sort of scaled up and down, isn't it?
55:54 <Lemon> yes but hmmm
56:01 <Lemon> if we get a 3v or under at the end
56:04 <Lemon> in both cases
56:09 <Lemon> thats what counts no ?
56:22 <Lemon> anyway
56:47 <Lemon> with 100/ 2 exponent 23 (to take in account the noise, and be pessimistic) thats steps of 11 uV
56:52 <Lemon> ha wait, dinner time
56:52 <Lemon> brb
57:13 <rust_collector> if it only measures 0.1v "steps", and you scale it with 17, that is different then if you scaled it with 30?
57:29 <rust_collector> not that i think it is a problem
11:38 <Lemon> back
11:46 <Lemon> hmm theres certainly something im missing
12:18 <rust_collector> moderation
12:27 <Lemon> with 3/2exp23 thats steps of 357 nanovolts
12:40 <Lemon> so both case, way more than waht I want
12:54 <Lemon> I thought about maybe taking 100uV steps of resolution if possible
12:56 <rust_collector> ok, go for mains then, just to see
13:33 <Lemon> its still enough
13:53 <Lemon> I could go up to almost 1kv
14:08 <rust_collector> ok, let us say 600v then
14:37 <Lemon> well im pretty sure that I'll need to add stuff at that voltage
14:46 <Lemon> lets say 100, I'll probably wont go over 50 anyway
14:59 <Lemon> but if 100 is possible withoout changing anything, for the same cost
15:01 <Lemon> why not
15:09 <rust_collector> play with resistor values, and see what voltage you end up with
16:09 <Lemon> by changing just one resistor to 9,1k (they got it) I can do 101,9v
16:23 <Lemon> what do you think ?
16:28 <rust_collector> if you find standard resistors, who makes the limit 98.36v, that is ok, no?
16:33 <rust_collector> ok
16:41 <rust_collector> so 100 it is
16:43 <Lemon> I think its better to have a tad more
17:07 <rust_collector> sure, but you would just label it as 90, so that is no problem
17:07 <Lemon> they are cheap, 3.56 euros per 10
17:16 <Lemon> yeah trye
17:19 <Lemon> true
17:24 <Lemon> well 100V max sounds good
17:29 <Lemon> but I still think we miss something
17:34 <Lemon> that sounds too easy for some reasons
18:10 <Lemon> 70 euros total
18:13 <Lemon> thats still acceptable
18:28 <rust_collector> well, yes, what is this referenced to? and if you have -100v on one channel, and +100 on a different channel...
18:49 <Lemon> its referenced to the adr03 built in ref
18:55 <Lemon> but I wont measure negative stuff
18:56 <rust_collector> no
20:25 <rust_collector> well, the voltage measuring is referenced to that chip, but... is the channels completely isolated, or..
20:35 <Lemon> thats the big question
20:40 <Lemon> I think I can only measure isolated stuff
20:48 <Lemon> which well, isnt a big problem
21:03 <rust_collector> ok then
21:08 <Lemon> but if I can isolate each channels that could be good
21:10 <Lemon> I just have no idea how
22:30 <rust_collector> meh.
22:43 <rust_collector> just know they are not
22:58 <Lemon> yeah but you know, if its not that hard and costly to change that, why not
23:08 <Lemon> im always in to learn some stuff, and earn a bonus on a device
26:05 <Lemon> if I understand it right
26:11 <Lemon> I need to power the adc externally
26:21 <rust_collector> probably yes
26:24 <Lemon> which seems feasible, as the arduino will be powered via usb
26:43 <Lemon> but as you said I dont really care much
26:52 <Lemon> as I'll use it to measure power supplies or stuff already isolated
29:02 <rust_collector> careless
33:19 <Lemon> the adc module can also be used in differential mode
33:28 <Lemon> and it seems the best way, but I get half the channels
33:48 <rust_collector> 4 is not bad...
33:55 <Lemon> yeah thats what im thinking
34:05 <Lemon> 8 sounds good but I'll probably never use that much
34:08 <rust_collector> I told you to buy 2...
34:16 <Lemon> haha nah 4 sounds good
35:27 <Lemon> I think I can measure negative voltage that way, too
37:37 <Lemon> 30ksps is a shitton
38:00 <Lemon> and idk if its for 4 channels or 1
38:06 <Lemon> even if its for all 4 thats a lot
39:50 * Ampera squeezes Lemon 
39:56 <Lemon> ayee
40:00 <Ampera> how do
40:15 <Lemon> well im doing good, still looking at that future project !
40:32 <Ampera> I see that
40:34 <Ampera> how's it going
41:10 <Lemon> I think im missing something
41:12 <Lemon> it sounds too easy
41:34 <rust_collector> I will not say anything more about it, so it should be fine
43:13 <Lemon> no please you are of great advice
43:42 <rust_collector> I will advice when you get to the box colors
43:51 <Lemon> well it will be black
43:54 <Lemon> spoiler alert
43:58 <Ampera> taupe or nothing
44:03 <rust_collector> well, that was that then
44:13 <rust_collector> have fun
44:35 <Lemon> I think im going to get more resistors, so I can pick the best ones
44:38 <Lemon> as they are cheap, anyway
45:46 <rust_collector> NO! you will never use resistors again!
47:00 <Lemon> awww
47:04 <rust_collector> where is the kraut anyway? he is probably hiding under a fake name, spying on your plans
47:17 <Lemon> yeah we need him
47:30 <Lemon> hmm its nice, there seem to be many librairies for that module
47:36 <Lemon> I wont sweat too much
48:29 <rust_collector> just use the "make a multichannel voltmeter/differential mode" script
49:02 <rust_collector> oh, yes, you don't use tcsh... forget that then
50:39 <Lemon> I also looked at the adc noise, which seems perfect for what I want
51:34 <rust_collector> maybe build an amplifier for it
51:45 <Lemon> why that ?
51:50 <rust_collector> I like noise
52:05 <Lemon> you know I can generate noise with my siglent arb gen
52:07 <Lemon> nice noise
52:10 <Lemon> in all flavors
52:44 <rust_collector> I like ugly noise
53:49 <rust_collector> hmm, how about you making noise like a 16 cylinder emd? that is a nice pile of noise
54:05 <Lemon> like breerererer or more brrriiiriirir ?
56:14 <rust_collector> https://youtu.be/X96zwiEUBI8?t=20
56:33 <rust_collector> the older ones sound better, but this is pretty ok, for youtube
57:19 <Lemon> sounds like freedom
58:12 <rust_collector> it sucks that you do not feel it, like you do live
58:39 <Lemon> yeah I dont have a chest shaking simulator device
58:51 <rust_collector> they make my belly flop
00:30 <Lemon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xo3gnmvh5XQ
00:34 <Lemon> that looks fun honestly
01:52 <rust_collector> gawd, that looks like one of the family gettogethers for christmas things
08:07 <Lemon> I kinda wanted to make some doom maps while waiting for the parts to come
30:26 <rust_collector> are you done with that yet?
43:38 <hsn> lemon how is the logger
44:11 <hsn> rusty, train chat with canadaguy ?
44:23 <rust_collector> eh?
45:16 <hsn> nvm im probably drunk
45:21 <rust_collector> probably
45:37 <rust_collector> it is ok, you can chat trains with him later today
46:08 <rust_collector> being drunk could be positive, if you do
46:25 <hsn> i dont drink soul drinks
47:11 <rust_collector> meh, if you inject, that is equally effective. or are you the tampon type?
58:37 <rust_collector> ok, I think it is time to see if I can put the corolla almost on its side...
17:01 <Lemon> ok so I played some of this doom brutality
17:04 <Lemon> its really awesome
17:27 <Lemon> hsn I havent worked much on it, but I started to look at my next project !
22:03 <Lemon> hsn a 8 channel 24bit adc module, some 0.1% 15ppm resistors as divider, a random tft screen, and bam we have a 4 differential channel voltmeter ! I want it to measure at least up to 50v but 100v if possible is nice (just the divider to change I guess)
24:34 <hsn> T3sl4: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eF9qWbuQLuw
25:16 <hsn> lemon what is 0.1% 15ppm
25:25 <Lemon> vishay resistors
25:32 <hsn> isnt it 0.1% or 15ppm ..
25:34 <Lemon> for the input divider
25:35 <hsn> cant be both ?
25:39 <Lemon> ha 15ppm tempco sorry
25:45 <hsn> oh ok
25:51 <Lemon> they are pretty cheap and good honestly
25:58 <hsn> cool
26:01 <Lemon> I want at least mv accuracy, better if possible
26:10 <Lemon> I can calibrate it myself so maybe I can have a bit better
26:15 <hsn> lemon how do u calibrated the op amp earlier
26:16 <Lemon> and 100uv resolution
26:22 <Lemon> op amp ?
26:31 <Lemon> the adc on the thermometer you mean ?
26:35 <hsn> yeah
27:02 <Lemon> I measured the output with the fluke 8502 and hp 3456a, and applied an offset to be at +- 30uv or so
27:20 <hsn> do u just put precision voltage and measure its result output and then in ur program u add or negative that number?
27:54 <Lemon> yeah like I said with 6/5 dmms, I just compare readings and add an offset in the program
28:06 <Lemon> a 4.04mV in that case precisely
28:25 <hsn> ok
28:36 <hsn> does the adc shift with temperature variance also
29:34 <Lemon> yeah but its really not much, almost insignificant as I use it to measure ambient
29:41 <Lemon> for the multichannel voltmeter
29:43 <Lemon> wait lemme link
30:05 <Lemon> https://www.ebay.fr/itm/ADS1256-24-Bit-8-Channel-ADC-AD-Module-High-Precision-Data-Acquisition-Card-BSG/122917917245 adc module
30:18 <Lemon> im going to use a arduino uno with this https://www.ebay.fr/itm/3-5-inch-480x320-TFT-LCD-Touch-Screen-Display-UNO-R3-Board-For-Arduino-Mega2560/392479411746
30:34 <Lemon> https://www.ebay.fr/itm/5Pcs-Black-PB86-A0-Small-Cap-4Pin-Momentary-PCB-SPDT-Square-Push-Button-Switch/153422607776 and https://www.ebay.fr/itm/5Pcs-Black-PB86-A1-6Pin-Red-LED-Momentary-SPDT-PCB-Square-Push-Button-Switch/153424856322 buttons
30:53 <Lemon> https://www.ebay.fr/itm/0-1-Precision-Metal-Film-Resistors-Various-Values-1K-2K-20K-100K-x-5pcs/132252012857?var=432313483351 9,1k and 300k for 100V to 3V input
31:10 <Lemon> https://www.ebay.fr/itm/1pc-waterproof-plastic-electronic-enclosure-project-box-black-200x175x70mm-F/232977996533?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649
31:14 <Lemon> and put everything in this
31:41 <Lemon> https://www.ebay.fr/itm/10PCS-Gold-Plated-4mm-Dual-Banana-socket-Binding-Post-Banana-Plug-Jack-Connector/152818614197 also this for inputs
31:58 <Lemon> the adc module got 8 channels, 4 if you use them as differential inputs, which is better for noise
32:29 <Lemon> I want to use it to measure things like power supplies, to avoid using my good dmms and leave them for important measurements
34:07 <Lemon> at first I wanted to use 50v max at the inputs
34:09 <Lemon> measure I mean
34:22 <Lemon> but afterall why not 100 ? if its just a matter of changing the divider values
34:27 <Lemon> maybe im missing something
53:13 <rust_collector> I am missing how you will fit that waterproof box inside banana jacks....
59:05 <Lemon> hmmm I'd do the opposite
10:08 <hsn> yum, bananas
10:34 <Lord_of_nothing_> Hey guys
10:50 <Lord_of_nothing_> Does anyone know about the web stuff how it works?
11:51 <rust_collector> I am pretty sure someone knows how the web stuff works
11:59 <Ampera> not even the people who made it
13:35 <Ampera> The web is what happens if you give 50 people who don't know each other and can't talk to each other three weeks, each a different machine from a 30 decade array, and then the job of building a unified platform for world multimedia
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28:32 <rust_collector> wow, so much join
28:33 <Ysjoelfir> hello all
28:34 <EEVBlog> Hello there, Ysjoelfir!
28:41 <rust_collector> hullo
28:48 <Ysjoelfir> hi rusty
29:31 <Ampera> hi Ysjoelfir how are you doing
29:52 <rust_collector> you may want to use your other nick today, Lemon is thinking about hiring the kraut, because his project is too easy to bother with
30:26 <Ysjoelfir> hi Ampera, rather good, I enjoy a nice BBQ and am close to start working on a freelancing project with rather good profit. how about you?
30:33 <Ysjoelfir> `rust - oh no!
31:23 <rust_collector> well, ok, but make sure he pay you well
32:38 <rust_collector> maybe a few cases of whine, and tried potatoes, or what it is they have where he is from
33:26 <Lemon> Ysjoelfir ! finally, a german engeener ! :> waddup ?
33:48 <Lemon> haha no I just need a confirmation before I order anything :P
34:09 <Ysjoelfir> :O
34:13 * Ysjoelfir hides
34:18 Nick: Ysjoelfir is now known as Ys_hidden
34:42 <Lemon> a multichannel voltmeter, accurate to at least mV, with inputs being either 50V or more if possible !
34:46 <Lemon> lemme link everything
35:04 <Ampera> Ys_hidden, Everything is broken today and I BROKE IT ALL
35:06 <Ampera> MUAHAHAHA
35:11 <Ampera> I AM THE BREAKER OF SOFTWARE!!!!
35:14 <rust_collector> good job!
35:21 <Ys_hidden> nice Ampera!
35:26 <Lemon> https://www.ebay.fr/itm/ADS1256-24-Bit-8-Channel-ADC-AD-Module-High-Precision-Data-Acquisition-Card-BSG/122917917245 adc module
35:36 <Lemon> https://www.ebay.fr/itm/0-1-Precision-Metal-Film-Resistors-Various-Values-1K-2K-20K-100K-x-5pcs/132252012857?var=432313483351 9,1k and 300k for 100V to 3V input
35:50 <Lemon> random enclosure, buttons, arduino uno + screen shield
36:05 <Lemon> looks doable ?
36:33 <Ys_hidden> should be?
36:39 <rust_collector> I do like the idea of a 24 channel voltmeter, but...
36:46 <Lemon> do you see anything I might miss ?
36:47 <Ys_hidden> I have one.
36:54 <Ys_hidden> well... switch.... stuff.
36:55 <Lemon> like, am I right for the input ? a simple voltage divider ?
36:58 <Ys_hidden> like relays
37:13 <rust_collector> meh, all on, all the time
37:30 <Lemon> the adc got 8 channels, or 4 differential one
37:36 <Lemon> from what I read 4 differential ones is better
37:47 <Ys_hidden> absolutely
37:49 <Lemon> the thing im unsure about is the voltage divider for the input
38:04 <Lemon> at first I wanted 50v max but what stops me to change values for 100v max ?
38:10 <Lemon> as long as I have enough bits of resolution ?
38:40 <Ys_hidden> from a quick glance I agree, that should work
38:50 <Ys_hidden> and if not we will find a way to make it work I assume
38:52 <Lemon> I also figured that I need some nice resistors with low tempco
38:58 <Lemon> :DDDD
38:59 <Ys_hidden> thats true
39:16 <Lemon> those 15ppm/C 0.1% vishay seems nice
39:26 <Lemon> I will take more, to select the best ones
39:34 <Lemon> as long as they drift the same way I'll be fine
39:39 <Ys_hidden> So, I finally got myself a welder. I think I need to do some work on the volvo for the TÜV
39:45 <Ys_hidden> https://www.stahlwerk-schweissgeraete.de/schweissgeraet-mig135-st-mig-mag-schutzgas-inverter
39:51 <Lemon> mV accuracy Im already happy, if more I'll be uber happy !
39:59 <Lemon> hoooo pretty neat ! :o
39:59 <Ys_hidden> wait, let me switch that to english - https://www.stahlwerk-schweissgeraete.de/Welder-MIG-135-ST-IGBT
40:08 <Lemon> you got some experience ?
40:14 <Lemon> lmme check it
40:39 <Ys_hidden> welding experience is.... low, but I did some welds some years ago.
40:46 <Ys_hidden> I like the marketing wank on this one
40:51 <Lemon> thats something :P
40:59 <Ys_hidden> "innovative IGBT technology, nothing like the shitty MOSFETS!"
41:12 <Lemon> perfect xd
41:18 <Lemon> I read innovative LGBT
41:38 <rust_collector> meh, it will be more than you need for anything. Do buy or rent a bottle if you have to do more than a few small patches
42:12 <Ys_hidden> I have a big CO2 bottle for my drink... fizzy maker thing. that should work for MAG (not for MIG though...)
42:26 <Lemon> but again Ysjoelfir, for the input, what is limiting me ? I can chose the right divider for the maximum input I want ? I guess at high voltage I need better protection but 100v is fine ?
42:37 <Ys_hidden> also, that thing comes with two rolls of flux core wire. No idea if that is any good
42:42 <rust_collector> well. it will sort of work on straight co2
42:51 <Ys_hidden> I would agree with you Lemon
43:11 <Lemon> alright ! 100V will be fine, I want to build this to measure stuff like power supplies, etc
43:18 <Lemon> but I can measure only isolated things, right ?
43:34 <Lemon> if I want to be able to measure anything, I need to power the adc externally ?
43:41 <Ys_hidden> well, isolated to the measurement circuit at least
43:43 <Lemon> or something complex maybe ?
43:58 <Lemon> so power supplies are fine right ?
44:11 <Ys_hidden> should work, yes
44:14 <Lemon> I cant find an example I cant measure
44:23 <Ys_hidden> rust_collector - what means sort of work?
44:33 <Lemon> like I cant measure my voltage ref for example ?
44:44 <Ys_hidden> that should definitely be possible
45:05 <Lemon> well, I'll order everything
45:06 <Lemon> and think later
45:13 <Lemon> it will take time to come anyway :>
45:20 <Lemon> that adc module seems pretty nice anyway
45:23 <rust_collector> the flux core that comes with things, is fine, for fixing old fence posts and crap. if you are going to use gas, just buy a proper brand reel. sort of work... well, straight co2 is not as nice to use as argon mix. but it will do the job
45:25 <Ys_hidden> thats a good method :P
45:55 <Ys_hidden> ok. so I will just try how it works then :)
46:18 <Ys_hidden> I decided for that one because it has 7 years warranty and can also do stick welding
46:25 <rust_collector> I still think you should buy 2 of those modules. you will need more adcs later
46:34 <Ys_hidden> my last stick welder survived exactly one weld.
46:41 <rust_collector> heh
46:55 <Lemon> perfect ratio
46:57 <Ys_hidden> well, lets rephrase that. one weld and one arc.
47:11 <Lemon> it did its job !
47:21 <Lemon> it welded :>
47:32 <rust_collector> it was just that the arc was inside the machine
47:40 <Ys_hidden> I welded one thing, put it away (dry, was stored in my hobby room), a year later I took it out again, striked the arc, POOOOFF, biiig smoke comes out of it and it was toast
47:57 <rust_collector> inverter machine?
48:01 <Ys_hidden> yes
48:04 <rust_collector> perfect
48:32 <rust_collector> I think my wirefeed has been sitting outside since... before christmas
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49:20 <canadaguest> sorry to ask now but what kind of store would sell smaller ring-type spade connectors? because it seem like the major electronic distributors just aren't carrying them for some funny reasons
49:31 <rust_collector> I was hoping I would buy a new one, but... not yet
49:48 <rust_collector> princess auto
49:54 <Lemon> I havent found any on ebay
50:07 <Lemon> or maybe I looked badly
50:11 <Ys_hidden> I actually planned to build a MIG welder myself, using old parts from my dads old cheap transformer driven MIG welder.
50:20 <Ys_hidden> canadaguest - either what rusty said, or amazon
51:31 <Ys_hidden> It was such a PITA thing. wire feed was... fed by the main welding transformer. so if the arc striked, the voltage dropped, the feed stopped, and it started to sputter
51:39 <rust_collector> canadian tire... antoines tractor store, dr albans car stereo supply
53:18 <rust_collector> random old hardware store, building center,
53:26 <Ys_hidden> also, the gas was only controlled by a valve in the (not changeable) welding pistol and the gas cup was hot. not like hot to the touch but like "touch your workpiece with it and you welded the torch to the piece"
53:35 <rust_collector> unless you want some very special ones
53:47 Nick: Ys_hidden is now known as Ysjoelfir
53:49 <rust_collector> right
54:00 <rust_collector> pretty standard cheapo machine
54:13 <Ysjoelfir> yes
54:37 <Ysjoelfir> so I tinkered a bit with it and solved those problems back in 2013 -> https://pimok.wordpress.com/2013/02/18/einhellmig/
54:51 <rust_collector> that is one thing I like with yours, you can replace the hose-cable thing
55:19 <Ysjoelfir> then I decided to enhance it even further, disassembled it, lost some parts while moving to frankfurt, tried to rebuild it several times and now... well. I just don't want to bother anymore.
56:04 <rust_collector> it looks pretty neat
56:08 <Ysjoelfir> yes, I also have a rather nice hose cable thing in my pile of stuff... teflon lined, so it could even handle alumumunimium wire
56:14 <Ysjoelfir> the new one?
56:18 <Ysjoelfir> or the old POS? :D
56:19 <rust_collector> the old one
56:24 <canadaguest> rust_collector hm I tried amazon and I think maybe I need more keyword than just "solder spade connector" if you got any suggestions as I'm only getting $100+ 'variety packs' which only has a few of what I can use, an expensive option?
56:49 <canadaguest> and btw I'm looking for 20awg ring (although if I have to I can go with fork for now) with a solder terminal .. no insulation if possible
57:00 <rust_collector> well, do you want to solder them? can you use crimp connectors, and solder them, if you want that?
57:13 <Ysjoelfir> well, it surely worked somehow. but I think for a beginner the new one is.... rather a better choice. especially with the automatic wire feed control.
57:28 <rust_collector> no
57:35 <canadaguest> as for stereo supply hmm I think I might know a name or some let me look
58:01 <rust_collector> well, the new one is better, because it does stick, which is what you should do, if you want to learn how to weld
59:37 <rust_collector> it takes too little skill to make things stick together with the new one. fighting the old one will teach you more. and the new one will feel super awesome, with the "stepless" controls, and that stuff
00:03 <Ysjoelfir> Stick is not that hard imho. I actually had more problems with MIG back then.
00:26 <Ysjoelfir> I never managed to get the ratio of wire feed to current just right
00:53 <rust_collector> yes, but it is imo a better way to see what happens, than mig
01:31 <rust_collector> no, you can not do that, on those old machines. you just have to mess with it, and adjust the stickout until it works well enough
02:18 <canadaguest> rust_collector the reason I wanted one with solder end is because when I had tried look up the barrel ones (especially from jst as I was ordering some plugs from them) they always seem to specifically want their own expensive tool to be able to close the wire on and not much recourse for finding out if a generic method could work
03:00 <Ysjoelfir> hehe :)
03:23 <rust_collector> hmmm. if you have more wire stickout, it limits the current. feed out 2-3 feet of wire, and you can put the ground clamp on the end, and it will just slowly glow, not melt as in a weld
03:41 <rust_collector> barrel?
04:11 <canadaguest> rust_collector yeah the ones that are not open surface on the wire end of the connector
05:05 <Ysjoelfir> we will see how it works. When the old stick inverter died I actually wanted to build some kind of quick "lock" for my neighbors fence. like a hinged U-iron with a hole in it to put a lock through after you closed it over the two part fence gate. Maybe I will build that now with the new welder. lets see how it works
05:17 <rust_collector> ok, just crush them, or solder?
05:38 <canadaguest> rust_collector I'll prefer solder unless the 'crush them' method doesn't need a specific brand tool
05:39 <canadaguest> :)
06:21 <canadaguest> lemon I probably joined late to see the rest but what're you looking for on ebay atm?
07:40 <rust_collector> well, that is up to you...
08:30 <rust_collector> Oh, I can help you there, actually. if you use a komatsu tool, they will be pretty well crushed
09:31 <canadaguest> rust_collector I mean can I just use a random whatever-brand tool with any random crush spades? because the datasheets always seem vague on anything but really expensive tools and looking it up on forums didn't get much of any info
10:26 <rust_collector> well, they would, right?
10:41 <Lemon> canadaguest parts to build a 4 channel 5.5 digits voltmeter ! with a 24 multi-channel adc, a tft 3.5 inch screen + arduino uno, some neat buttons/enclosure etc, and 0.1% 15ppm/C resistors as input divider, for a 100V input max
10:57 <rust_collector> if you buy a vw, they will list a vw tool, when what you need, is an 18mm socket
11:24 <canadaguest> lemon oh right still onto that, well let us know when you get it built :)
11:42 <Lemon> sure, I'll order everything and wait for it first :>
11:59 <Lord_of_nothing_> re
12:10 <canadaguest> rust_collector hmm ok in that case I'll skip the solder requirement, let me recheck the catalog again :)
12:28 <rust_collector> because of the special things happening in the world, you will recieve your shipment early on saturday
13:35 <rust_collector> I am sure there are some cases, where you would want a special tool, but #1 I hope you are not going into space with this, and #2 it is a thin metal tube...
15:54 <rust_collector> they can not guarantee that they work perfectly with random chinese crimpers, so I guess that is why it says that in the datasheet?
16:34 <canadaguest> I wasn't thinking of china just more of that it seem every brand of spade has a slight different shape
17:43 <rust_collector> yeah. but not after you crimp them. Well, I am not going to tell you to just ignore it, but.. I think you in general can
24:02 <rust_collector> Ysjoelfir, I think I saw teflon liner in my local shop, I should probably replace mine, and see if it is worth keeping around a bit longer
24:36 <Ysjoelfir> I immagine it to be a big PITA to replace it
24:45 <rust_collector> nah, it is not that bad
24:57 <canadaguest> rust_collector yeah its not like I'm trying to use it for health-critical 600v 30a loads, just saying :)
24:58 <rust_collector> well, usually not
25:27 <canadaguest> rust_collector but anyhow it looks like I could try find a home depot near here that has these sitting on their shelf https://idealind.com/shop/83-0131.html
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25:42 <canadaguest> so thanks
25:59 <rust_collector> canadaguest, there is that, and... well, it is just a metal tube, if you have crimpers that are ok, they will work ok on most
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26:54 <rust_collector> well, good luck. if you use non-insulated, worst case, it is easy to solder
27:08 <canadaguest> well the insulated ones are in wrong limited choice of colours so :)
27:19 <rust_collector> perfect
27:26 <rust_collector> paint it black
28:21 <canadaguest> I have 8 individual colours in fact. and tbh blue won't get any spade connectors and red is reserved for the ac side so it likely isn't going to see any small crimp connectors neither :)
28:56 <rust_collector> as long as you have a plan....
29:22 <rust_collector> you can always change your plan later
31:46 <Lemon> hmmm in the voltage divider, to calculate the amperage
31:51 <Lemon> I simply do ohms law for each resistors ?
32:01 <Lemon> like 100V (max input) / resistor 1, same for 2
32:26 <Lemon> for the 300k one its fine, but the 9.1k one we get 10ma, which is 1,1W
32:30 <Lemon> and they are 0.4w resistors
32:36 <Lemon> so I might need to change that for a higher value
32:58 <rust_collector> I guess one side limits the other side? but current will go thru both in series, no?
33:14 <Lemon> I think yes but im unsure how to calculate that
35:46 <rust_collector> add up both sides in series, and calculate for that, I think. if that is less than each side can take, do something?
36:04 <rust_collector> or more,
36:08 <rust_collector> hrrrm
36:08 <Lemon> ok current is the same everywhere
36:14 <canadaguest> rust_collector well I don't think I'll change my plan too much as its somewhat color-coordinated with the color range I was able to get 'matched' wire&powerpole in :) (yes anderson powerpole connectors)
36:24 <Lemon> so yes you add up resistors
36:32 <canadaguest> so thats why the non-insulated spade connector won't make much of a fuss
36:44 <Lemon> so we're fine
36:50 <rust_collector> polish them, so they are nice and shinny
36:55 <canadaguest> lemon as they say 'measure twice cut once' :)
37:11 <Lemon> yeah I tend to measure 10 times
37:39 <canadaguest> lemon heh single-checking often has error .. double-checking nearly nothing .. but yeah ten rechecks if you really are sure :)
37:57 <Lemon> yeah to measure this, simply add all resistance
38:03 <Lemon> so in my case 300 + 9.1k
38:15 <Lemon> 100V max divided by 309100
38:17 <Lemon> thats nothing
38:22 <Lemon> 0.0003amps
38:28 <canadaguest> lemon mind you when you watch japan railway operations you'll see that even although they do things once they always sorta are double-checking it aka 'point finger at the thing to confirm it for sure' which can seem a bit strange to some non-japan people
38:32 <Lemon> resistors wont heat up at all
38:38 <rust_collector> as my engineer neighbor did, measure with one of those foldup measuring sticks, cut... go fit the plank... does not fit, back to the saw, cut... I just coulf not make myself tell him to take the measuring stick away before cutting it
39:06 <canadaguest> rust_collector about plank sawcuts .. don't forget "which side of the pencil are you going to cut on?" :)
39:19 <canadaguest> as a pencil line can induce up to a few millimeters of variation
39:26 <rust_collector> yes, and which side of the pencil do you cut off
40:23 <canadaguest> rust_collector and don't forget (it seem to happen once in a while as I've noticed from online stories) to know which side of the wood
40:55 <canadaguest> even in structural (house or not) constructions you want your beams to be all a certain same 'crown side up' side etc
40:58 <rust_collector> I am so glad I am a metal sort of guy
45:31 <canadaguest> rust_collector mm funny thing is its rare but there are actually some people that build their model train modules out of metal benchwork instead of wood. the one minor problem with them tho is re thermal expansions so the top has to be somewhat only partially-bolted so it won't warp due to that
46:43 <rust_collector> what, no simple urethane bushings?
47:20 <rust_collector> that is a pretty weird idea, anyway
48:18 <canadaguest> well its a matter of shaving down some more weight without being weak
48:41 <canadaguest> but like I said its one drawback is the thermal difference between the metal benchwork and rigid no-expansion wood/foam top
48:55 <rust_collector> so, carbon fiber is not good enough any more?
49:15 <canadaguest> can you even find carbon fiber sheets/planks on a budget? :)
49:52 <rust_collector> who said toy trains was cheap? you are supposed to suffer and eat noodles
50:42 <rust_collector> just get the vacuum table and make molds, and make it fit perfectly
50:45 <canadaguest> rust_collector you're so funny. I mean a simple wood one already is $10-60 to make so yeah
51:09 <rust_collector> and they still work for decades
51:17 <canadaguest> the main cost in a setup not surprisingly is locomotives themselves
51:30 <canadaguest> tracks, wagons, decoder, etc? all cheap pennies
51:31 <canadaguest> :)
51:43 <rust_collector> I found the turnouts to be the big thing
51:55 <canadaguest> really? I guess if you need some particular ones then yeah
52:18 <canadaguest> here I could get them at like $6-14 each manual-throw type
52:29 <rust_collector> hmm, no, I can not really remember, but I think they were code 83 or 7x something
52:39 <rust_collector> anything would do.
52:47 <rust_collector> just not steel rails
53:34 <canadaguest> actually steel is ok. its just brass that gets a bit of rap mainly due to how it rusts
53:52 <rust_collector> well...
53:53 <canadaguest> although so far I haven't heard of newer starter sets ever using brass anymore thankfully
54:33 <canadaguest> you still get sets with these cheapo small transformers that are just about ok enough to run one locomotive with on vague speed control
55:39 <rust_collector> sure, and they tend to work ok, until the 3rd day of christmas, when someone steps on them
56:44 <canadaguest> yeah
57:23 <rust_collector> So, what is the budget thing in decoders these days? Not crap, but on the cheaper side?
58:21 <canadaguest> at least you still can find some hobby stores selling these basic 'mrc tech' transformers for like about $40-70 range which is reasonable enough not to mention some of them are rated for running a smaller lgb layout too if you had individually boguht some lgb trains (instead of a starter set which comes with its own)
59:20 <canadaguest> rust_collector mm well the decoders are almost all very similar .. just vary in amperes and function-count sizings (obviously the 400ma ones are tiny to fit into z/n scale but the 1.5a ones are too big for that scale) .. $12-$28 average pricing range
59:40 <rust_collector> hmm, a guy I know has used the tech 2 controllers for years
59:58 <canadaguest> yeah the mrc tech brand is like 30+ years old by now and still very reliable
00:31 <rust_collector> I think ai have a handheld gaugemaster, it is... ok
01:05 <canadaguest> they used to run fullpage ads several times every single month in the 'model railroader' magazine (a popular title in north america) ever since the early 90's .. and still are doing a bit so to today
01:25 <canadaguest> that says something about why a non-mrc transformer is a bit hard to find new or used :)
01:39 <canadaguest> well at least for north america I mean
02:06 <canadaguest> gaugemaster? have heard of that name for occassional things (of all sort) but it doesn't seem to exactly be much of any catchment in north america tho
02:41 <rust_collector> english brand
03:09 <rust_collector> very simple speed on a pot, and a direction switch
03:20 <rust_collector> walk around slightly
03:52 <canadaguest> rust_collector the funny thing is theres a gaugemaster store that is a big name in uk .. wonder if the two might be related
04:01 <rust_collector> I have a roco dcc thing, that came with a starter set, random other things, and the hacked up märklin transformer
04:30 <rust_collector> but feel like trying the dcc++ thing some day
04:48 <rust_collector> I tried it, but I can not figure out what kind of decoder I have
05:06 * canadaguest has 2 marklin transformers, one old mrc tech (from previous trains, currently still sometimes used a bit for some of the n trains around), one german-sourced dcc station, and some misc vanilla power supplies not directly related to model trains but used within still
05:26 <canadaguest> rust_collector do you see a name or anything on the decoder itself?
05:50 <rust_collector> nope, plain black
06:01 <Lemon> thats it I ordered everything
06:04 <Lemon> now the waiting game
06:11 <Lemon> but now now, the sleeping game
06:15 <rust_collector> so, still no laptop?
06:16 <Lemon> see you buds !
06:25 <Lemon> when I'll see a nice offer
06:26 <canadaguest> rust_collector ah well is it a generic rectangle/square shape or one thats contoured to specifically fit the locomotive itself?
06:31 <Lemon> where the seller answer me lol
07:07 <canadaguest> rust_collector and its inside the roco locomotive I'll presume?
07:22 <rust_collector> generic that came with the starter set, I have a few more, but... I have to dig thru the trains to find them
07:30 <rust_collector> well, yes, it is inside
07:52 <Lemon> bye bois
08:00 <rust_collector> good night orange
08:18 <canadaguest> well knowing roco its likely their 'Plus' one thats often preinstalled in retail locomotives too and btw these are more or less generic enough to use with any nrma-compliant dcc stations like say easydcc, roco, digitrax, nec, etc
08:45 <canadaguest> rust_collector you don't need anything special . other than for to have to tinker around a bit to find which button keycodes any non-motor functions are labelled onto to
09:18 <rust_collector> I had to tinker enough to at least figure out how to set an address on the thing
09:40 <canadaguest> yeah if it sees an address that means its pretty much nmra-compliant as a generic dcc system :)
10:09 <rust_collector> well, it does not. which is why I have to figure out what it is, so I can make it
10:12 <canadaguest> but like I said the light/etc functions can vary so you have to tinker to find them .. f0 on one locomotive may be the front light but f0 on another locomotive is the tail lamp instead or not wired to anything
10:37 <rust_collector> I just want the thing to do anything at all
10:38 <canadaguest> I can't really help much with precise dcc things tho so you're somewhat on your own for the rest sorry :)
11:08 <rust_collector> yep. well, it is not a problem. I just have to figure it out
15:37 <rust_collector> I guess a little factory sort of layout would do for now. that could be fun enough. And it would be enough with a small switcher or something. I think I have a few sw1500s and such
16:00 <Ysjoelfir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7glF3Ge5ric second 17.... whats the name of that damn song that is now stuck in my head?
18:06 <rust_collector> satan, my master, techno remix
18:15 <rust_collector> i may be wrong
19:17 <rust_collector> oh youtube, it is pretty safe to say it is sandstorm
19:47 <Ysjoelfir> I think I would have remembered sandstorm :P
21:10 <rust_collector> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=989-7xsRLR4
21:13 <rust_collector> try that
21:35 <Ysjoelfir> thanks^^ I knew that I know that thing
22:13 <rust_collector> that is one skinny guy
22:38 <Ysjoelfir> he is indeed crazy thin
23:37 <rust_collector> He looks like he broke every bone in his body but needs money so he dances
23:48 <rust_collector> some times ,comments are ok
23:50 <Ysjoelfir> haha :D thats true
25:35 <canadaguest> rust_collector btw I haven't seen much of them lately but in older books/magazines you used to find the schematic to build your own wired tether speed control for model trains (on the basis that you would tap 12-18vdc off the normal wall-plugged transformer to get your initial power source for it
26:01 <canadaguest> it was rather basic as you can imagine .. variable resistor, directional switch, and optional other things like a power indicator lamp
26:06 <rust_collector> right, it is not much magic in there
26:14 <canadaguest> and no magic smoke neither :P
26:15 <canadaguest> hehe
26:29 <rust_collector> one quart of magic smoke
27:02 <canadaguest> still you did make me wonder if gaugemaster the train store and gaugemaster the controller is one umbrella or not
27:16 <rust_collector> https://youtu.be/_6ENNQkB8wg?t=80
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29:49 <rust_collector> I remember some schematics for one, that controlled a box in the layout, so the trains kept running, even if you unplugged it. iIrc, they used rj11 connectors
30:07 <canadaguest> rust_collector btw not everyone may have realized it but the one interesting thing about a more complex marklin/lionel track setup is that because theres no "left or right" rail polarity you can get away with dumb passive wiring for turntables, loop tracks, wye junctions and so on
30:28 <canadaguest> so 3-rail ac does have its own unique merits at times
31:21 <canadaguest> rust_collector that schematic still sounds quite simple as its probably likely a modified version of a memory switch circuit where you press momentary button and it remembers to stay on till you press momentary button again
35:04 <canadaguest> rust_collector btw do you want know one nice small anti-crash trick for any tracks? :)
37:12 <rust_collector> eeh, ok
37:15 <canadaguest> rust_collector in case you had not heard of this one: take your track spur and cut one rail a bit away from the bumper stop then determine the default polarity as to mount a diode backward from that polarity and there you go. the locomotive would die to a halt before it slams :) and to rectify that just reverse throttle direction heh
37:27 <rust_collector> oh yes
38:01 <rust_collector> that does work ok, with the small german switcher, but not so good with the dd40
38:16 <rust_collector> but yes, it is a good trick
39:38 <canadaguest> btw I found my answer anyhow, gaugemaster shop and gaugemaster control are the same single company
39:52 <canadaguest> never knew that before but then again gaugemaster items are rare here
40:06 <rust_collector> here too.
40:45 <rust_collector> I think I bought it in some meeting or something
40:50 <canadaguest> rust_collector also arnold is somewhat a bit less than easy to find but thankfully there are a lot of euroimporters in usa and few in canada so you still can find plenty of non-usa n scale trains around for cheap :)
41:15 <canadaguest> as a side note arnold was the one who introduced the universal n scale coupler to both countries, before that it was a wild mismash of incompatible ones
41:19 <rust_collector> I had one arnold engine. and it was a gp35, lol
42:02 <rust_collector> it was not a great engine, really. i went to roco and fleishmann for the n stuff
42:31 <canadaguest> as for ho scale ehh well I mean its not exactly universal but at least it can be boiled down to just three major ones (and a lot of the times a non-cheapo loco/wagon would let you twist/cut it out to use your own choice replacement instead)
43:14 <canadaguest> rapido (thats what its generally called) for the cheap plastic couplers still found on many cheap usa trains today .. knuckle (by a few different brands but they generally more or less usually mates up) .. and the mini hook&loop as used by euro trains
43:17 <rust_collector> well, as Ysjoelfir says... if you have a hammer everything looks like a nail, but if you have a welder, everything looks like anything
43:47 <canadaguest> as a side note rapido and knuckle somewhat can mate as long as you keep the train weight down
44:04 <canadaguest> well a gp35 doesn't sound like an euro loco .. so no comment :)
44:22 <canadaguest> for a gp35 I would had said bachmann or kato if you wanted a cheap one :P
44:34 <rust_collector> Now I want to go find my sd7s and the sw1500...
44:39 <canadaguest> atlas is ok but not as easy to find sometimes
44:45 <rust_collector> i really like my sw7s
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45:09 <canadaguest> sw1500? I kinda prefer the alco/baldwin ones when it comes to usa shunters but to our own nitpicks ;)
45:41 <Guest|21744> ola
45:47 <canadaguest> heres an alco https://www.american-rails.com/images/StJohnsbury7096.jpg
45:54 <rust_collector> oddly enough, the one engine I have enjoyed most, was an old athearn blue gp38-2
46:09 <rust_collector> hullo
46:15 <canadaguest> athearn? thats still somewhat around but apparently not as popular brandnew as it used to be
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46:32 <canadaguest> same for athearn kit wagons .. there used to be tons of them around but now its not so easy to find one
47:01 <rust_collector> I think they got sold, now they look like they make them much more detailed than the old blue box ones
47:35 <rust_collector> maybe they do 2 lines of stuff
48:13 <rust_collector> anyway, it did run ok-ish, then I regeared it, and it ran pretty damn good
48:21 <rust_collector> just slow
48:38 <rust_collector> which was the point, really
49:04 <canadaguest> rust_collector btw the one road emd I do somewhat find a bit interesting is the gp30 .. it for some reason had that funny "raised head-do" which was surprisingly specific to just the gp30 .. reason for that extra height was to house the supercharger and extra air intakes due to a bit of horsepower war against gm uboats at the time
49:24 <canadaguest> and on a small sidenote to gp30 .. there were one large fleet of gp30b specifically only to union pacific
50:34 <canadaguest> heres a photo showing the raised roof in effect https://www.railpictures.net/images/d2/7/5/0/3750.1458087042.jpg
50:46 <rust_collector> yeah, I know it
50:46 <canadaguest> and you can make out that the middle unit is one of their gp30b .. no cab :)
51:27 <canadaguest> rust_co0llector its funny how different railroads seem to have a major 'on and off' tinker with no cab to cut cost down etc
51:39 <canadaguest> even the gp60 still had some cabless ones from factory too
52:03 <rust_collector> it can not cost much per mile, for a cab...
52:30 <canadaguest> by the time the full-cowl units were out the cost difference likely was starting to bottom out .. not to mention multi-unit lashup was getting rarer (who need three 5000hp units compared to three 2000hp units?)
53:02 <canadaguest> well early on the cab was a large price cost due to the floor, controls, control desk, etc .. but later on this started to get smaller as I was saying
53:02 <rust_collector> if they have to climb, hp is not everything
54:02 <rust_collector> well, sure, it was not free.. but how much per mile ran, or year? they probably ran for 20 years
54:28 <canadaguest> rust_collector csx was one of the very early user of ac-not-dc traction electricals as they wanted very heavy freight drags at 5mph uphill through the tunnels .. dc motors were not up to that sort of task as well as the then-very-new ac ones being tested
54:36 <rust_collector> that up and those had b units makes sense, as they did run a lot of multiple units anyway
55:44 <canadaguest> rust_collector well like I said when you had to use four units to get 8000hp it did work out but when you only need two units to get 9700hp the math didn't favour cabless especially as a duo would usually have one cab in each direction to avoid having to find a place to turn the locomotives around for any return trips
57:11 <canadaguest> as a side note some railroads were a little wild with their carbody diesels for a while, two 'a' units bracketting up to six 'b' units was rare but still photographed :)
57:48 <canadaguest> and of course there was the nickname "elephant lashup" where eg all A units were facing the same forward direction just like with real elephants
00:39 <canadaguest> rust_collector on a side note some ex-cab units that were getting old for the road could and did get their engine gutted out and then fitted into one of two possible variations of 1. a 'road slug' that looks just like a normal locomotive but makes zero noise/smoke as it went by or 2. have the body literally cut down to the walkway and lead weight a
00:39 <canadaguest> dded where the fuel tank used to be as to be used as a yard slug
01:21 <canadaguest> number one was also usually slightly rewired so at low speed the traction motor would suck off the 'mother' unit but when the train started getting faster the controls cut out as to run as an unpowered unit so the 'mother' could keep all of its generator output for its own traction motors
01:33 <rust_collector> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9ZVqdmaBvs
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02:13 <canadaguest> and btw number one is not entirely new. if you look at a few particular steam locomotives you would see they had small siderods on one or both tender trucks. this was the same concept . extra tractive at low speed but cut out at higher speeds
05:21 <canadaguest> rust_collector sorry if this was already familiar to you but .. yeah the reason it works on both steam and diesel is because the boiler/engine often can make a lot more output than what 10kph-running axles can use so hence 'robbing' some of the power to run aux axles at low speed .. but by the time you start oving faster the ratio returns closer to
05:21 <canadaguest> 1:1 meaning the aux axles woud cut off as to avoid starving the main axles
05:33 <canadaguest> oving=moving*
06:50 <rust_collector> you know... I have been thinking that they should make planes, with beefy motors, and also plane-trailers
06:59 <rust_collector> that would be interesting
07:29 <canadaguest> :)
08:22 <rust_collector> I can imagine a new kind of plane crash with that
08:34 <rust_collector> but I think it should work
09:25 <canadaguest> rust_collector btw I had to look up tender boosters just for a bit fun myself but I found this one which I may as well as share too http://www.modelrailroading.nl/collection/Y3/images/ns0966.jpg talk about a compound mallet WITH double boosters, that thing probably really could stuff nearly anything straight up a brick wall figuratively speaking
11:09 <canadaguest> rust_collector I know you did mention you weren't much into passenger trains but what do you think of streamlined high speed steam locomotives?
12:17 <rust_collector> meh. I like slow things, designed by the same guy that invented the hammer
12:59 <rust_collector> either slow and powerful, or waay too small, small things are fun
15:55 <canadaguest> heh well mind if I mention a little something once tho? :)
16:30 <rust_collector> mmmmmmmmmmmmmmhff. but only once
17:17 <canadaguest> you know how some of the modern express locomotives had quite big tires (sometimes really huge if there was only two of them aka 'atlantic' style among others) with a rather equally big boiler on top right?
17:42 <canadaguest> well on two particular railroads they didn't subscribe to that because it would had been too difficult on the slope without some kind of helpers
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18:09 <canadaguest> so their simple solution was to size it just fast enough for the flat parts but still have plenty of power to attack the daily slopes unassisted
18:32 <canadaguest> usa thanks to n&w https://66.media.tumblr.com/e37f43d2fe33793dde2d1528bfd856da/tumblr_nukgq6U0wx1tiwoo5o1_1280.jpg and australia thanks to sar https://comrails.com/pic_mbc/img/mbc_b09_091.jpg
19:34 <canadaguest> at least one usa photographer had literally written "I was shocked when I saw the J train accelerate too rapidly from the red signal, on a uphill grade no less!" as his photo caption which was reprinted into the book :->
21:07 <rust_collector> well, some people just have to be different...
21:23 <rust_collector> butt. it is time for a nap, I think
21:33 <canadaguest> rust_collector one more quick thing ..
22:04 <rust_collector> .......
23:06 <canadaguest> if you want slow I think you may have liked some of the 'big' cane/industrial steam locomotives .. they could look a little comical .. because the drivers were almost the same size as the wagon axles .. and not surprisingly their top speed usually was like only 30-40kph becuase of that :)
23:15 <canadaguest> I don't know of a name to find a photo for you now tho but maybe next time :)
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23:25 <canadaguest> have a good nap anyhow rust_collector
23:38 <rust_collector> hey Halcyon and good night
24:39 <Halcyon> Hey rust_collector
24:40 <canadaguest> rust_collector oh actually this one is NG but same idea tho http://www.nic.funet.fi/index/pics/railways/Poland/narrow/pl-pkp-kp4-sochaczew-280615-full.jpg
25:00 <canadaguest> I know some SG ones with equally tiny tires
25:42 <canadaguest> hi halcyon anything interesting for your electronics? :)
26:18 <Halcyon> Hm?
27:57 <canadaguest> or are you not working on anything? :P
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33:52 <Halcyon> Not really
38:08 <canadaguest> np had to ask, what you doing now or just being computer-lazy?
40:30 <Halcyon> Nah I'm working from home
40:45 <Halcyon> Although I also have a uni assignment due next week which I need to start
41:12 <canadaguest> ah ok well good luck on both of these counts ok? :)
41:18 <Halcyon> Meh :P
41:24 <Halcyon> Really not in the mood today
41:44 * canadaguest is going back (now that the train crazy-chat has stopped once again heh) to trying to find where to buy certain circuit-related components that doesn't seem to ever be available through digikey
41:58 <canadaguest> otherwise its a quiet of a night for me here
45:52 <canadaguest> halcyon you know terminal blocks right? these black or green thing you can attach wires to
47:38 <Halcyon> Yep
49:23 <Halcyon> Like Phoenic Contact type or more like this: https://au.element14.com/camdenboss/ctsn433-12w/terminal-block-barrier-12pos-10awg/dp/2749966
49:26 <Halcyon> ?
50:01 <canadaguest> yes
50:55 <canadaguest> the trick here tho is that I kinda want one that has its own stud/panel mounting so I can actually bolt it down to a non-plastic surface but still make it removable at a future time (so glue won't work) .. surprisingly msot of the cheap hobbyist ones don't have this feature
51:20 <Halcyon> You can get all different types, including mountable ones
51:22 <canadaguest> worst thing is if its hard to find such thing for sure I'll just buy any random cheap one locally and try drill my own holes through it
51:37 <Halcyon> Have you had a look here: https://au.element14.com/c/connectors/terminal-blocks-accessories
51:52 <canadaguest> camden? don't think I have tried that brand ...
52:00 * canadaguest rechecks if the distributor has that on linecard
52:05 <Halcyon> You could even consider a DIN rail and just clip them on and off as required
52:47 <Halcyon> John Ward did a video on those DIN rail modules recently: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lusnOydmLs4
53:24 <Halcyon> I'll BRB, I might have to reboot the modem....
54:39 <canadaguest> din rail? hmm
55:57 <canadaguest> right so din rail is just one standard physically or is there variations to it? sorry to ask but I have never ever looked at din rails before, only maybe the rare online photos that showed them
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00:07 <Halcyon> Okies sorry about that, just had to swap a cable over
01:03 <canadaguest> np
01:13 <canadaguest> don't think anyone'll mind me asking you again as you're back....
01:15 <canadaguest> right so din rail is just one standard physically or is there variations to it? sorry to ask but I have never ever looked at din rails before, only maybe the rare online photos that showed them
02:08 <Halcyon> As far as I know, the "DIN Rail" is just a single standard
02:20 <Halcyon> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DIN_rail
02:43 <Halcyon> There are different sizes by the looks, but it's fairly simple
03:42 <Halcyon> The IEC/EN 60715 or "Type O" rails are the ones I see everywhere
06:46 <canadaguest> hmm well you had me wanting to try write a separate list for plan number 2 ... rather than semi-diy building free-standing individual circuits I could just find a slight different enclosure to mount a din rail instead and hopefully find the off-the-shelf din modules I need on a fair budget :)
07:18 <canadaguest> I mean the first din module would be the wall-to-lowvolt converter (unless thats mounted separately generally?) followed by some dc-dc, terminal, and misc din modules :)
07:40 <canadaguest> should be interesting to see what I figure out by tomorrow :)
08:53 <Halcyon> Yep, that's certainly doable. And you can mix and match whatever modules you need on the one rail
09:20 <Halcyon> You can get all sorts of neat devices in a DIN rail format, including USB device servers, modems, ethernet modules etc...
09:46 <Halcyon> Of course you pay more for them because they are "industrial" products
10:09 <canadaguest> haha well adding computer-like things may be making it a bit too complex .. :P
10:25 <canadaguest> I just basically need power shaping/sharing :)
10:52 <canadaguest> but anyway is the primary power feed a din module itself too? or is that the only one non-din module in a dinrail setup?
11:09 <Halcyon> It can be
11:21 <canadaguest> ok np .. going look up now :)
11:29 <Halcyon> They are commonly used for mains voltage applications
11:39 <Halcyon> Circuit breakers etc...
13:28 <canadaguest> halcyon hm I had decided to try "din rail model trains" first just to see if it was something already thought of and yeah thankfully I'm not the first one :) https://modelrailwaylayoutsplans.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/CP-Layout-4.jpg
13:49 * canadaguest goes looking for dins now
13:59 <Halcyon> Yeh I'm not surprised, they are very common for all kinds of applications
14:25 <Halcyon> Those connectors look like the ones John Ward reviewed
15:08 <canadaguest> cute little article btw https://hackaday.com/2018/09/13/the-din-rail-and-how-it-got-that-way/
28:42 <canadaguest> halcyon thanks for mentioning it btw .. that may actually be a lot easier to deal with instead .. so yeah I'll see what I find about ac&dc supplies yet :)
29:22 <Halcyon> No problems
29:34 <Halcyon> Yeh you can definitely get AC to DC DIN transformers
32:05 <Ampera> Hi Halcyon
32:06 <Ampera> how are you
32:21 <Halcyon> Eh. I'm OK, how are you?
32:29 <Ampera> Good, are you at work?
32:34 <Halcyon> From home yeh
32:46 <Ampera> Oh, I had thought you were actually going in to work now
32:56 <Halcyon> Nah still doing 2 days at work, 2 days at home
33:10 <Halcyon> It'll probably go back to normal in a few weeks, but I'm milking it for as long as I can
33:55 <Halcyon> I'll be back shortly...
39:57 <Halcyon> So how are you Ampera?
39:58 <canadaguest> halcyon hm I may just have to still mount some of the power source off-rail but I'll see if I find anything tomorrow or not .. ac-ac apparently isn't as that popular compared to ac-dc :->
40:46 * canadaguest at least is going to skip on terminal blocks and just din that
47:46 <Ampera> Halcyon, I'm alright, giving VS Code a try
51:44 <Halcyon> :)
54:32 <canadaguest> ampera funny timing for you to be here and me finding this but .. yeah guess what was mentioned in here earlier on? :) https://i.redd.it/8afl65rc1xz41.jpg
54:46 <canadaguest> don't mind the vertical line floating in sky .. thats apparently window reflection from condo wall behind
02:38 <Ampera> Yeah sears tower lost power
02:47 <Ampera> Michigan ain't doing so hot atm
02:59 <Halcyon> That's not ideal
03:04 <Ampera> Halcyon, you think you can do a call?
04:03 <Halcyon> I'll have to use my phone, haven't set up a mic yet
04:21 <Ampera> The laptop doesn't have one built-in?
04:54 <Halcyon> It does, but I don't use my laptop. I have an external monitor, keyboard and mouse for when I'm at my desk
05:09 <Ampera> ah
36:55 <canadaguest> halcyou hmm it looks like the din rail can be made to have an actual power bus mounted inbetween the rails for certain din modules that have rear contacts on them
37:01 <canadaguest> http://www.altechcorp.com/dinenclosures/InRailBus.html
37:27 <Halcyon> Yep, there are all kinds of combinations and devices available
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49:04 <canadaguest> mm looks like they don't provide any matching ones themselves .. or maybe I missed it .. will recheck their lineup tomorrow
55:55 <canadaguest> well think will just go to bed soon at this rate as its almost 22:00 here. have fun with your homeworks halcyon :P hehehe
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27:16 <MEA14> Hello?
27:39 <Ampera> hullo MEA14
27:46 <Halcyon> Hey
27:54 <Ampera> Halcyon, you're up from your nap
27:55 <Ampera> or something
28:04 <MEA14> oh nice it's working
28:05 <Halcyon> Yeh, starting to feel better
29:07 <Ampera> MEA14, you don't have to call me an "it", but I got off around 5 hours ago
29:14 <Halcyon> :P
29:24 <MEA14> umm idk exactly what i'm about to say, im just wanna try this feature of EEVblog
29:42 <MEA14> lol :)
29:45 <Halcyon> Yeh there are usually quite a few people here talking, some have gone to bed
29:46 <Ampera> just say it ain't so
29:56 <MEA14> to bed?
30:05 <Halcyon> It's night time in some parts of the world :P
30:08 <MEA14> what the time at your place now?
30:16 <Halcyon> I'm in Sydney so 1230
30:21 <Ampera> Time here is 22:30
30:41 <MEA14> it's morning here tho
30:48 <MEA14> 5:30am
30:48 <Ampera> good morning
30:50 <Halcyon> Where is "here" ?
30:57 <MEA14> Saudi arabia
31:00 <Halcyon> Ah nice
31:03 <Halcyon> Something different
31:09 <Ampera> Get out, I was just thinking you might be from there
31:15 <Ampera> I know you're not my friend
31:16 <MEA14> hahaha
31:20 <Ampera> as I have a friend from there
31:25 <MEA14> relax
31:31 <Ampera> because he'd be already causing trouble, but that's pretty cool
31:42 <Halcyon> You have weird friends Ampera
31:55 <Ampera> Halcyon, you are the single most qualified person to make that assessment.
32:04 <MEA14> i won't do something like that
32:07 <Halcyon> I'll take that as a compliment
32:18 <Ampera> MEA14, why not? Causing trouble is fun.
32:20 <Ampera> I do it all the time
32:24 Mode: (by ChanOP) +o Ampera
32:33 <Halcyon> I'm literally watching a guy doing lawn stuff in America
32:39 <Halcyon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Q527KlFxQA
32:48 <Ampera> Lawn stuff? I didn't know YouTube did porn
32:53 <MEA14> btw are you guys electricians ?
32:59 <Ampera> oh, actually lawn stuff
33:01 <Halcyon> I'm not
33:10 <Ampera> MEA14, I'm a professional software breaker
33:20 <MEA14> crap
33:28 <MEA14> im afraid now!
33:31 <Ampera> I'm also a professional complainer
33:51 <MEA14> seems legit
34:03 <Halcyon> Yeh, Ampera is a little bitch sometimes :P
34:05 <Halcyon> Love you
34:11 <MEA14> Oof !
34:17 <Ampera> Just because I'm 5'7 doesn't mean you can call me little
34:23 <Ampera> but yeah I'm a fat bitch
34:26 <Halcyon> Well a big bitch then
34:41 <Halcyon> MEA14, don't worry, this is normal
35:05 <MEA14> yea i see you too knew each other
35:17 <Ampera> Unfortunately for him, yes we do.
35:18 <Halcyon> Yep
35:23 <Halcyon> Why? I like you
35:34 <Ampera> Moron.
35:39 <Halcyon> *shrug*
35:42 <MEA14> hahahahaha
35:44 * Ampera kisses Halcyon 
35:50 <Halcyon> I probably should think about getting lunch
35:55 <Halcyon> But I really can't be bothered
36:19 <MEA14> old days chat group is hilarious!
36:21 <Ampera> Have yakisoba if you have access to any
36:43 <Halcyon> Yeh I feel like something noodley
36:48 <Halcyon> And spicy
37:57 <Ampera> Halcyon, any more of those 2x spicy korean noodles?
38:18 <Halcyon> Yeh I got some left
38:29 <MEA14> anyway does EEVBlog has telegram group like this ?
38:37 <Ampera> Nope.
38:48 <MEA14> oh nooo
38:54 <Halcyon> WTF is Telegram?
39:01 <MEA14> ???????????
39:01 <Halcyon> I've heard of it but never used it
39:02 <Ampera> I believe it's similar to WhatsApp
39:07 <Halcyon> Oh right
39:12 <Ampera> yet another totally secure, promise guys, chat app
39:19 <Halcyon> Hahaha
39:25 <Halcyon> Is it owned by Facebook as well?
39:29 <MEA14> yeah it's mostly like WhatsApp
39:35 <MEA14> no
40:16 <Halcyon> Dave isn't a big user of social media
40:52 <Halcyon> IRC is maintained for nostalgic value. Many of us are into vintage computers and technology
40:58 <MEA14> there are lots of groups there for science and stuff like this
41:05 <Ampera> speak for yourself, I use IRC for its original intended purpose
41:08 <Ampera> this is modern day for me
41:30 <Halcyon> As do I
41:34 <MEA14> what does the term IRC means?
41:37 <Ampera> If any future communities are to be established it will likely be a Discord server.
41:39 <Ampera> Internet Relay Chat
41:52 <Ampera> It's a chat protocol for use over the internet designed in the 1980's
41:58 <Halcyon> Yeh Discord seems to be the most popular alternative. I'm not a huge fan, but I do use it
42:01 <MEA14> lol discord
42:11 <MEA14> me too
42:14 <Ampera> but nobody's told me to do one of those yet, so until that happens I'll be standing by
43:03 <MEA14> ngl i like this website
43:16 <Ampera> Actually most of us aren't using the website
43:23 <MEA14> huh!
43:29 <Ampera> What you're using is a web version of an IRC client, which for almost all of us is a piece of software on our computers
43:40 <Ampera> that way we can keep it open easier and have better access to multiple channels and servers.
43:43 <MEA14> yup
43:52 <Ampera> I use HexChat, as does Halcyon, which is a decent one to start off with for free, especially on Windows
43:59 <Halcyon> Yep
44:00 <MEA14> does it have an app?
44:01 <Ampera> however I also use WeeChat, which is great if you want to use your phone
44:14 <Halcyon> Yes, most people use a software client to access IRC
44:15 <Ampera> IRC on phones is not a great experience outside of WeeChat, which takes some know-how to get going
44:30 <Halcyon> The web version was created for those who don't use it every day and just wanted to try it out
44:39 <Ampera> The issue with IRC is, unlike a more modern protocol, you can't ask the server for old messages, so if you didn't get a message, you can't see it
44:43 <Ampera> so there is no backlog
44:49 <Halcyon> Yep
44:55 <MEA14> WeeChat?
44:56 <Halcyon> It's literally like TTY
45:22 <Ampera> WeeChat is an IRC client, most commonly used on Linux and Unix (I run it on Unix).
45:36 <Halcyon> You like anything with wee Ampera :P
45:37 <Ampera> What's good about it is you can keep it running on a computer somewhere, and then dial into it using your phone, which gives you a full backlog and everything
45:50 <Ampera> I don't like weed, Halcyon
45:55 <Ampera> I'm not a fucking stoner
46:06 <Halcyon> I was making a golden shower joke, nevermind
46:10 <MEA14> are you a computer engineer ? @ampera?
47:23 <Halcyon> MEA14, a lot of people here use Linux or similar. Mostly because Windows fucking sucks
47:33 <Ampera> MEA14, no I told you I'm a professional software breaker and complainer
49:06 <MEA14> im using windows :|
49:38 <Ampera> I use Windows, Linux, and 1-2 variants of Unix
49:47 <MEA14> and that's interesting
50:00 <Ampera> actually 2-3 if you count Darwin
50:37 <MEA14> i used linux and Ubuntu a while back
50:51 <Ampera> Not a big fan of Ubuntu
50:56 <Ampera> but it's made for a distinctly different audience
51:38 <MEA14> very interesting experience but also difficult to find compatible programs
51:52 <MEA14> yeah
51:55 <Ampera> I find the opposite to be true, Windows has a lot of stuff missing that I use on Linux
52:05 <Ampera> and there are very few Windows programs that I'd really want to run on Linux
52:08 <MEA14> reallyyyy??!
52:19 <Ampera> I use Linux as my daily driver
52:30 <MEA14> reallyy?!!!!!!!!!
52:35 <Ampera> I actually went maybe about a year without even using Windows much at all
52:43 <Ampera> I have to use it for work now, but I avoid it when possible
53:05 <Ampera> All of my server hardware runs FreeBSD, which is a form of Unix, and I have one laptop with OpenBSD
53:11 <MEA14> i mean i know linux is an open source os but it is not easy to use
53:26 <Ampera> That's usually because people don't sit down and learn how.
53:36 <MEA14> :|
53:38 <Ampera> Linux isn't hard to use, I had a lot of fun learning how, and now it's easier for me to use than Windows
53:59 <Ampera> It revolutionized how I used my computer, and gave me access to technologies that people on Windows rarely have access to
54:14 <Ampera> especially in remote access and file sharing
54:31 <MEA14> idk what you have used in linux and couldn't find on windows
54:50 <MEA14> remote acccess?
54:58 <MEA14> access*
55:39 <Ampera> Secure Shell is an excellent example of what I mean, it's a single software package that allows completely secure access to a terminal under Linux and Unix, from most common devices (including Windows)
55:57 <Ampera> While that doesn't sound all that impressive, it also has a subsystem called SFTP, which is
56:19 <Ampera> See, SSH can tunnel different connections over it, meaning anything that's tunneled is done so completely securely and encrypted
56:49 <Ampera> SFTP is a protocol I use all the time which allows me to download files from, and even mount any folder on any computer I have internet access to, and then do stuff like play videos
57:01 <Ampera> Think like sharing folders on Windows, but it's secure enough to use over the internet no problem
57:43 <MEA14> now this is completely shows that you are a computer engineer lol. sorry i have less knowledge in os.
57:50 <MEA14> thank you!
58:10 <Ampera> I'm not a computer engineer at all, just a person who use to have more time than he knew what to do with.
58:35 <Ampera> Xpra is another great program, which allows me to use individual programs from one computer on another one, compressed and secure over SSH
58:53 <Ampera> so I could open up a web browser on, say, my desktop at home, and use it on a laptop miles away
59:14 <MEA14> umm im going to close my laptop but is there any way to join this group using my phone?
59:24 <Ampera> What sort of phone
59:33 <MEA14> android
59:55 <Ampera> I found Revolution IRC to be the best normal client for Android, if you can install that
00:27 <MEA14> cool gotta do that thxx!
00:30 <Ampera> Then connect to irc.austnet.org and to the #eevblog channel
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48:32 <Halcyon> I'm back
49:27 * Ampera hugs Halcyon 
49:53 <Halcyon> Aw :) *cuddles*
50:06 <Ampera> how do
51:24 <Halcyon> I went to the shops
51:34 <Ampera> what did you buy
52:59 <Halcyon> Sushi rice, vinegar (for cleaning the shower), milk and some veges
53:50 <Ampera> I should go to bed soon
53:59 <Halcyon> Aww
54:06 * Ampera falls asleep on Halcyon 
54:12 <Halcyon> I wish I could join you. I'm tired
54:25 <Halcyon> Woke up at fuck-knows what time this morning and couldn't get back to sleep
56:43 <Ampera> I'm pulling a new backup of my server and the compression output rate is 14 MiB/s
56:53 <Halcyon> Ouch
57:16 <Ampera> I should probably improve a few things, namely buying new drives, getting a new server, and switching to Zstd compression instead of xz
57:57 <Ampera> Good news, since most of what I store is video, it's already compressed
58:01 <Ampera> so I just tar it and store it
58:02 <Halcyon> I just use the default LZ4, works well for compressible files and pretty much has no impact on speed
58:14 <Ampera> LZ4?
58:28 <Ampera> ah
58:43 <Halcyon> It's the default for FreeNAS
58:46 <Ampera> this is LZMA
00:23 <Ampera> Arch recently switched to Zstd for all packages and apparently got a 1300% boost in decompression
00:28 <Ampera> no clue if compression is any faster though.
00:50 <Ampera> I'm already using ZFS so I should probably use on-the-fly compression
01:24 <Ampera> anyways, bed time
01:29 <Halcyon> Sweet dreams
01:31 <Halcyon> xox
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38:51 <Halcyon_> steve30: How is your air conditioning?
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18:45 <steve30> hi Halcyon
18:59 <steve30> AC is not quite finished yet. He's coming back today
19:25 <Halcyon> Oh nice
20:10 <steve30> The one for my Mum's room is supposed to be silver, but the supplier sent him white
20:28 <steve30> The other two units are done, but just need wiring up
29:30 * T3sl4 hugs steve30
30:25 <steve30> yay
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38:11 <Halcyon> Ahh rain
38:17 <Halcyon> Such good sleeping weather
38:40 <steve30> Its too hot in here. Really could have done with the AC on yesterday.
38:45 <steve30> Its 27C in here ATM
38:50 <T3sl4> it's been really we here the last couple weeks
39:03 <Halcyon> Yuck
39:05 <Halcyon> Too hot
39:10 <Halcyon> It's about 19 in here at the moment
41:03 <T3sl4> 27 is fine without clothes, but not with humidity, and not with a poorly ventilated home which is most of them
50:13 <steve30> Halcyon, http://stevecoates.net/air_conditioning/fujitsu_outdoor_units_01.jpg
56:46 <T3sl4> cute
02:50 <Halcyon> I like how they stacked them
02:53 <Halcyon> Very neat
03:03 <Halcyon> It sucks that it has to be in front of the gate
03:48 <steve30> They /could/ go anywhere. That's just the only place that will keep them discreet.
03:55 <steve30> But they fit nicely in that space.
04:45 <T3sl4> they also kept them discrete, rather than, you know, smearing them all over the wall in a continuous fashion.
05:25 <Halcyon> I hope that's not your neighbours bedroom :P I'm sure they won't want to hear the compressor all night
05:36 <Halcyon> Although they are pretty quiet these days.
05:59 <steve30> That window is the neighbours hall
06:12 <Halcyon> Ah that'll be fine then
06:14 <steve30> I'm intrigued to see how quiet they are
06:45 <Halcyon> Those little split systems are generally pretty silent apart from fan noise. The whole house ducted units are much louder
07:20 <Halcyon> When mine kicks in, the contactors and compressor come on with a really loud thud
07:26 <Halcyon> It's a 3-phase unit though
10:58 <steve30> Are yours ducted?
11:16 <steve30> These are just going to plug into BS1363 sockets. They're only about 600W each.
11:37 <Halcyon> Yep, one compressor does the whole house
13:13 <Halcyon> And each room and living space has roof vents
16:39 <Halcyon> I know this is one of his older ones, but still interesting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MF9DCNkaE8I
19:59 <steve30> hehe, that was a good one
20:26 * steve30 needs more coffee
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59:13 <Halcyon> He is cute
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10:11 <steve30> The men are here to finish the AC
10:17 <Halcyon> Hooray
20:29 <Halcyon> Um
20:40 <Halcyon> Why are HTTP 503 Errors now suddenly news? https://www.news.com.au/technology/online/mysterious-error-takes-down-news-websites-for-readers-in-sydney-perth/news-story/09af6f009f14f02a74b908a7d77950f6
20:54 <Halcyon> They must REALLY be running out of content
22:07 <steve30> *sigh*
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56:02 <canadaguest> not exactly a very good sleep but..ah well
56:35 <canadaguest> does anyone here know if the euro plug terminal block is always friction-fit or can they actually clip on in some way or anything?
58:00 <steve30> i slept quite well, despite the heat
08:56 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: NEW Video on EEVblog2! Lab basement fountain! Flood 2 - Electric Boogaloo https://t.co/ZvuEfVtsjl
18:25 <Halcyon> :)
18:36 <Halcyon> Welcome back canadaguest
19:35 <canadaguest> hi halcyon
21:10 <hsn93> hey does anyone know how to insert constant in gnu linker script ?
21:42 <steve30> hi Halcyon
21:49 <Halcyon> Hey boys
21:59 <Halcyon> Have the AC guys finished yet Steve?
22:37 <hsn93> Halcyon they were flacuating :>
23:07 <Halcyon> ?
23:28 <hsn93> the AC guys
23:38 <Halcyon> Oh fluctuating ?
23:44 <hsn93> yeah
23:50 <Halcyon> Terrible
24:21 <hsn93> <:
28:27 * canadaguest just kinda wanted to know if the terminal blocks could be mounted vertical or not as so much
36:29 <steve30> nope
36:45 <steve30> I hear a vacuum pump going though
46:53 * steve30 hugs halcyon
47:05 <Lemon> waddup thuggers
47:18 <steve30> hi lemon
48:31 <Lemon> alright most of the voltmeter stuff is on its way
50:40 <Lemon> I cant wait to build it !
51:28 <canadaguest> just don't zap yourself lemon :) heheheh
51:37 <Lemon> nah its ok :P
52:40 <Halcyon> :)
52:55 <Lemon> im just concerned about the input impedance, which is low
53:25 <Lemon> 309,1k per inputs
53:33 * canadaguest just need to figure out wire connector, a fixed capacitor value, and otherwise is almost ready to order things
53:48 <Lemon> what are you building ? :>
54:10 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: Trying to pick the appropriate "Hell No" meme image reply... https://t.co/LfjZYHZzkX
57:20 <Lemon> I wonder if the input impedance being so low is a big problem or not
58:19 <steve30> "Client Success Executive or Client Success Associate". That's a long winded job title
58:29 <canadaguest> power supply, and perhaps the first one or two rectifier boxes as well
58:44 <Lemon> great, what specs are you aiming at ?
01:18 <canadaguest> well the power supply is all 15-24vac (I have to decide what number to use especially after a small bus wire volt drop too)
01:29 <canadaguest> and the rectifier would be close to where the dc-only loads are
01:34 <Lemon> ha its an AC one ?
02:15 <Lemon> I kinda want to build an AC supply one day
02:24 <Lemon> I first need to box the variac Ysjoelfir gave me
02:55 <Lemon> I made a trip to germany two months ago to see Mamalala, he gave me some wonderful things :>
03:06 <Lemon> and on the way back I saw Ysjoelfir, who also gave me wonderful stuff :P
03:52 <canadaguest> heh ok
04:08 <Lemon> that tells how much I like my test gear xD
04:19 <Lemon> 1400km total in two days
06:43 <Lemon> I find it really cool to build our own tools
07:53 <canadaguest> well lemon tbh some of this kinda started because I was able to find a few suppliers with 240vac cords but nearly noone at all with nema/120vac cords so I decided to just end up building my own power supply box instead
07:56 <canadaguest> such is north america -_-
08:25 <Lemon> thats a good idea :> but its an AC psu right ?
08:33 <canadaguest> ac-ac yes
08:41 <Lemon> what will you use it for ?
08:49 <Lemon> maybe you could have used a variac instead
08:57 <Lemon> but I admit that an AC psu sounds pretty neat
09:27 <canadaguest> lemon here is what I can't get here at all just to show you https://www.dm-toys.de/dateien/shop/produktfotos/lenz/26000%20TR100.jpg
09:55 <canadaguest> and lemon its main purpose is re model trains (and train-related scenery electronics too as well)
09:55 <Lemon> they arent common either yeah
10:02 <Lemon> hooo ok !
10:24 <canadaguest> lemon well I mean if I was in a 240v zone I could had ordered a bunch of brands of these easily .. but in 120v theres just noone .. weird and I dunno why but mm
10:49 <Lemon> I face this problem when I find a nice thing which runs in 120v :>
11:05 <Lemon> ho that reminds me that I need two analog meters
11:07 <Lemon> for the variac
11:53 <canadaguest> lemon well anyhow I'm planning to use a C8 (unless I find out that the regulations prefer C14 instead) connector so it would be easy to use my power supply about anywhere .. except old industrial buildings that doesn't have anything but just 480v :)
12:16 <Lemon> thats a good move :>
12:22 <Lemon> do you have a scope ?
12:27 <Lemon> and a decent multimeter ?
12:49 <canadaguest> no scope. plan to get a weller dmm later on
13:08 <Lemon> arf weller dmms aint that great, especially for the cash
13:32 <Lemon> what is your budget ?
13:39 <Lemon> I can help you find one
15:01 <Halcyon> steve30,
15:03 <Halcyon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MO5D1Y3sBoI
15:10 * Halcyon is moist
15:52 <steve30> Halcyon, ACs are on :)
15:56 <Halcyon> YAY!
16:06 <Halcyon> Finally you get to cool off and hopefully sleep properly
16:47 <steve30> yay
17:03 <steve30> Still waiting for the one to be delivered for the front bedroom
17:10 <canadaguest> btw lemon this is a little like what I might have https://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/uploads/monthly_10_2012/post-281-0-52085800-1351509522.jpg with the big gray box being the wall-to-lowvolt transformer enclosure :)
17:10 <Lemon> https://www.ebay.fr/itm/1PC-AC-0-300V-Round-Analog-Voltmeter-Voltage-Panel-Meter-DH52-Dia-66-4mm/171751569451 looks fine
17:13 <steve30> The outdoor units are pleasently quiet
17:16 <Halcyon> Do you have one in your area?
17:28 <Lemon> thats tidy !
17:56 <steve30> Its having to come from Maidstone, a long way away
23:23 <canadaguest> lemon well how about this? http://www.girr.org/girr/tips/tips3/080307_girr_dcc_routing_control_panel_3722.jpg
24:51 <Lemon> still tidy enough :>
28:11 <Lemon> alright I bought two meters for the variac, 300VAC and 5AAC
28:14 <Lemon> should be fine
28:41 <Lemon> its a valuable piece of gear, when you want to power and old-ass thing without blowing it
28:54 <Lemon> you can quickly see if theres a short, if current rise at low voltage
58:42 <rust_collector> COFFEE!!!!
58:45 <Lord_of_nothing_> can someone check if your dns can resolve my domain: https://è.at ?
59:11 * canadaguest bonks rust_collector with a mug of water
59:15 <steve30> i get to ZyWALL USG 300
59:17 <canadaguest> :)
59:40 <rust_collector> yep,
59:52 <Lord_of_nothing_> sound good
00:04 <Lord_of_nothing_> maybe my cellphone operator dont like them
00:29 <rust_collector> did you get a "not trusted website" message?
00:40 <steve30> yes
00:57 <rust_collector> good good
01:11 <Lord_of_nothing_> my router use a self cert certificate
01:15 <Lord_of_nothing_> its "normal"
02:22 <Lord_of_nothing_> i am happy to found a single domain
02:41 <Lord_of_nothing_> i checked the hole chartset
03:12 <rust_collector> steve30, did they fininsh installing 2 out of 3 units? and, what do they use most time on, when they do?
03:49 * Ampera sneezes on Halcyon 
10:13 <canadaguest> btw while thinking about re dins I also had to ask, a 500ma 110v transformer probably would be around 2-11w of thermal heat right?
11:04 <Halcyon> Hey Ampera
11:09 <Ampera> how do
13:57 * canadaguest just wants to recheck because 10w may be a bit too much for a small din module
14:10 <Halcyon> Not too bad
14:16 <Halcyon> I was testing out Golf With Friends
14:30 <Halcyon> I can max out the FPS with graphics turned all the way up and in 4K
15:10 <Ampera> What GPU does that have in it?
15:48 <Halcyon> Quadro T2000
16:29 <Ampera> ah, 1650Ti
17:03 <Halcyon> *shrug*
17:09 <Halcyon> Beats my 1050Ti
17:16 <Ampera> but not my 1660Ti
17:19 <Ampera> the ultimate meme card
17:29 <Halcyon> Meme card?
17:41 <Ampera> dude, 1600 series is enough of a joke
17:45 <Ampera> then you get 1650
17:47 <Ampera> 1650 Ti
17:50 <Ampera> THEN 1660
17:52 <Ampera> AND THEN 1660Ti
17:55 <Halcyon> Why for is it a joke?
18:23 <Ampera> they're in spitting range from each other in price and performance and just a load of hilarious memes, like the 970 but there's four of them
18:33 <Halcyon> Ahh I see
20:27 <Halcyon> I'm almost breaking 5 MB/sec download
20:29 <Halcyon> Go banana!
20:50 <Ampera> News has come in
20:54 <Ampera> Memorial day weekend \o/
20:55 <rust_collector> don't break it
21:11 <Halcyon> What about it Ampera?
21:15 <Ampera> bruh that's why my backups have been taking ages
21:27 <Ampera> I'm backup up all the home directories too which contains copies of all the shit you've sent me Halcyon
21:37 <Ampera> but unlike the actual video folder this is all getting compressed via xz
21:47 <Ampera> whatever, it can run in the background it doesn't hurt much
21:51 <Halcyon> Heh
22:15 <Ampera> Halcyon, I get a three day weekend
22:21 <Halcyon> Oh yay
22:35 <Ampera> and something else neat has come up
23:01 <Ampera> I'm with a group of people called grifkuba that does wiki hosting, and we're planning on expanding our hosting from a single server on Digital Ocean to three servers on Google Cloud
23:12 <Ampera> and I am going to be the head op for those servers
23:19 <Halcyon> Oh nice :D
24:52 <Halcyon> I might go to Aldi on Saturday
24:59 <Ampera> mmm, Albrecht
25:04 <Halcyon> They have a sale on their new cast iron cookware
25:06 <Ampera> I have enough food to last me forever, so I won't be going
25:10 <Ampera> Nice.
26:35 <steve30> rust_collector, two of the three are done. Totalling about 1kw for the two running full blast.
27:18 <rust_collector> what did they use most of the time on? making holes, or?
29:48 <rust_collector> we have thought about installing some here too, but we would also have to do several units, because of how the rooms are. well, I am not doing that, until i own the place
33:14 <canadaguest> mm be back at keyboard in about 30 minutes here...
33:16 <steve30> yeah, lots of drilling hold for mounting the units, pipes, cables. The one in the front bedroom will have to go through the loft.
33:33 <steve30> Also pressure testing and vacuuming
33:48 <Halcyon> Do you get to sleep in cool comfort tonight Steve?
33:56 <steve30> yes :)
33:58 <Ampera> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVsrv5zftYE
34:01 <Halcyon> YAY
34:06 <rust_collector> up on the roof
34:21 <steve30> The one in here is running flat out and its down to 18C now. I'm too cold :)
35:14 <rust_collector> well, put some clothes on?
35:15 <steve30> Its completely free though. I'm still exporting 1kW to the grid :D
35:23 <Halcyon> No, keep your clothes off :P
39:32 * steve30 has clothes on
39:40 * Ampera takes them off
39:40 <Halcyon> :(
39:45 <Halcyon> \o/
39:56 * Ampera puts them on Halcyon, taking his clothes off
40:00 * Ampera puts Halcyon's clothes on steve30 
40:11 <Halcyon> I'm wearing shorts and a T-Shirt
40:28 <steve30> That'll do. I've got jeans on today
40:29 <Ampera> Flannel and denim
42:04 <Halcyon> It's raining again
42:24 <Halcyon> http://www.bom.gov.au/products/IDR713.loop.shtml#skip
42:30 <Halcyon> Looks like it's hear to stay for the night
42:34 <Halcyon> *hee
42:37 <Halcyon> here
42:37 <Halcyon> fuck
42:44 <Ampera> Halcyon, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZUE4_PtOk0
42:48 <Ampera> say no more
42:59 <Halcyon> Oh nice song
43:00 <Halcyon> :)
43:21 <Ampera> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDtZYoTD0_o
43:24 <Ampera> and a not-shit version
50:31 <Lemon> doom brutality 3.0 is fucking awesome
50:35 <Lord_of_nothing_> omg aldi have crap products
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50:47 <Halcyon> Lord_of_nothing_, what did you buy?
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51:00 <Lord_of_nothing_> nothing anymore
51:15 <Halcyon> I don't mind some of their stuff, but I would never buy electronics
51:21 <Lord_of_nothing_> german products are crap shit
51:52 <Halcyon> Well, you only have to look as far as Volkswagen and Audi to know that :P
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52:15 <Lord_of_nothing_> atleast there food
52:30 <Lord_of_nothing_> its the lowest quality of all europen country
53:32 <Lemon> https://youtu.be/r3V-hk5BRFc
53:34 <Lemon> guys pls
53:37 <steve30> Ah ha, the silver AC unit is here :)
53:40 <Lemon> its really, really awesome
53:47 <Ampera> Lord_of_nothing_, if you talk more shit about German I'm going to get all blitz on your ass
53:53 <Ampera> *Germans/y
54:08 <Halcyon> Ampera will shit on your chest
54:36 <Ampera> I'll make you eat it too
54:46 <Halcyon> Pfft
55:01 <rust_collector> probably better than the german food anyway
55:01 <Halcyon> I might eat ass, but I don't eat shit
55:14 <Lord_of_nothing_> germans are shit and nazis to
55:28 <Halcyon> So Lord_of_nothing_ what has got you all wound up?
55:34 <Halcyon> What did you buy that you didn't like?
55:43 <rust_collector> he was born, and....
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55:45 * Ampera points to that "op" symbol that makes it illegal for anyone in the channel to disagree with him
56:02 <Ampera> 5$ on he's just Polish
56:22 <Ampera> If things had worked out I might've been Polish
56:27 <Ampera> *worked out differently
56:27 <Halcyon> I disagree with you all the time Amperas
56:34 <Ampera> yeah but I sadly can't ban or kick you
56:34 <Halcyon> -s
56:45 <Lord_of_nothing_> @Halcyon many products who are crap and the are made in germany
56:56 <Halcyon> OK, but specifically?
57:00 <Halcyon> (Apart from some cars)
57:00 <Ampera> Lord_of_nothing_, including your mother, HAH
57:23 <Halcyon> I love Gernman pork knuckle
57:24 <Halcyon> Mmmm
57:35 <Lord_of_nothing_> i dont have any car
57:44 <Ampera> I have an American car because they are truly best
57:50 <Lord_of_nothing_> when i was in germany there food make me sick
57:50 <rust_collector> why do you import pigs from germany, Halcyon?
57:57 <Halcyon> We don't
58:00 <Lord_of_nothing_> all there crap what the put in
58:01 <Ampera> while you laugh in your plastic bigs I will be fucking ending your grandma's hips in my real steel deal
58:02 <Halcyon> It's how they are cooked
58:22 <rust_collector> well, they are still not german
58:57 <Ampera> rust_collector, I'm giving them my blessing as a German
59:10 <rust_collector> yes, you would, lol
59:13 <Lemon> in the adc module I bought, they specify that with input buffers on, the input impedance is 80Mohms
59:21 <Lemon> sounds enough for voltages under 100V ?
59:41 <Halcyon> This place isn't too far away: https://www.bohemian-euro.com.au/menu
59:44 <Halcyon> Fucking nom
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00:56 <rust_collector> I had some great food in germany. but their cheap things, like grills are pretty crap. but otoh, they are cheap, so what do you expect...
01:13 <Halcyon> You do get what you pay for in some instances
01:23 <rust_collector> yes,
01:26 <Halcyon> I was actually going to go to Aldi this weekend and get some cast iron pans
01:33 <Halcyon> Not much can go wrong with them
01:36 <Lord_of_nothing_> Vienna (Veal)
01:37 <Lord_of_nothing_> 30.70
01:40 <Lord_of_nothing_> OMG the are insane
01:47 <Halcyon> It's literally just a lump of glazed metal
01:51 <canadaguest> back
02:37 <rust_collector> i love my turkish made cast iron pot, also glazed with some kind of lead coating, or something.
02:49 <Halcyon> Nothing like a bit of lead in your food :P
02:55 <rust_collector> stew all day
03:21 <canadaguest> so..mm..do I have to expect like 10w from a transformer or am I calculating something wrong?
03:35 <Lord_of_nothing_> Debreciner
03:35 <Lord_of_nothing_> 18.60
03:35 <Lord_of_nothing_> Boiled spicy beef sausage served with roll & mustards
03:35 <Lord_of_nothing_> die are insane
03:57 <Lord_of_nothing_> cost here 3€
04:06 * Halcyon nibbles on Ampera's spicy beef sausage
04:15 * Ampera smacks Halcyon like the faggot he is
04:20 <Halcyon> Harder
04:25 <Halcyon> Fucking pussy
04:25 <Halcyon> :P
04:46 <Lord_of_nothing_> Bavarian sausage plate
04:46 <Lord_of_nothing_> 29.60
04:46 <Lord_of_nothing_> Debreciner, Weiswurst, Neurenberger, Bockwurst, Cheese Kransky with mash and sauerkraut
04:47 <Ampera> ugh I should do work
05:08 <canadaguest> halcyon I had to look at that menu too and hmm just what is 'baked noodles' anyway?
05:21 <Lord_of_nothing_> Debreciner, Cheese Kransky are austrian one....
06:03 <Lemon> rust_collector I bought those for the variac https://www.ebay.fr/itm/1PC-AC-0-300V-Round-Analog-Voltmeter-Voltage-Panel-Meter-DH52-Dia-66-4mm/171751569451?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2750.l2649 and https://www.ebay.fr/itm/1PC-AC-0-5V-Round-Analog-Voltmeter-Voltage-Panel-Meter-Dia-66-4mm-DH52/173554798085?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2750.l2649
06:55 <rust_collector> those look nice, they are just missing the reichsadler
07:15 <Lemon> yeah they are perfect for what I want
07:19 <Lemon> I need to build the box
09:06 <rust_collector> canadaguest, it is... noodles, that you bake?
09:34 <canadaguest> rust_collector oh so its just dry noodle?
09:59 <rust_collector> no, you cook them, then bake. probably with some kind of sauce, I dunno?
10:38 <canadaguest> hm probably sounds interesting
11:06 <canadaguest> probably could see visiting that place two or three times but then I'll have to go somewhere else tho, as not quite a lot on that menu to me. but to our own stomaches :)
13:48 * steve30 hugs Halcyon 
14:08 <Halcyon> :)
14:16 <steve30> i'm cold
14:22 <Halcyon> Turn the air off :P
14:34 <Halcyon> Or set it to a more respectable temperatue
14:35 <canadaguest> anyone know if this seem like a reliable guide list? https://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/heat-gain-equipment-d_1668.html
14:38 <Halcyon> temperature
15:43 <Halcyon> Anyway, I'm going to bed, night all
15:49 <canadaguest> bye halcyon :)
15:53 <rust_collector> canadaguest, what makes you worried about that? get one that is made for the voltage and current you need, and... it will probably survive?
15:58 <Halcyon> Later canadaguest
16:08 <canadaguest> rust_collector its not the wire load but the thermal enclosure
16:17 <rust_collector> ok, one made for 130% of the current you need
16:39 <canadaguest> rust_collector and does that mean I should factor for 15-20w then?
16:56 <rust_collector> are you trying to cool it or something?
18:47 <canadaguest> rust_collector well the original question was more of: for a 500ma 110v transformer should I expect 2-11w thermal from it, just wondering about the din housings
19:10 <rust_collector> din housing...
19:59 <rust_collector> there is probably a ton of german standards for housings. are you putting it on a din rail? like breakers and stuff?
20:12 <rust_collector> but yes, you should.
21:25 <rust_collector> not that I have any 110v transformers, but small 1.5a transformers here do get pretty warm, when you draw around 1a out of them
22:31 <rust_collector> I can still keep my hand on them, so they are at less than 90-100 c
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24:17 <rust_collector> these are cheap IE sort of transformers, stolen from (IIrc) old boomboxes
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25:06 <Lemon> you know rusty I should plan ahead the next project after the voltmeter, so that I dont have to wait weeks to get parts
25:14 <Lemon> what could be the next tool ?
25:26 <rust_collector> no,
25:38 <Lemon> yes,
25:51 <rust_collector> you should build that box, while you wait for the parts
26:40 <canadaguest> rust_collector ty. and yeah I'm thinking about din rail for the power supply box (instead of free-mounting wherever it would fit), at least some of the altech din enclosures have option for venting so mm yeah at 10w it might still be a workable idea
26:41 <Lemon> yes its planned, someone will lend me a circular saw
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28:08 <rust_collector> canadaguest, well, you could put the transformer outside the box, and keep the control and distribution sort of stuff inside?
29:02 <rust_collector> Lemon, make a drawing, and start looking for material
29:17 <Lemon> I have the material, but yes I need to draw it
30:03 <rust_collector> do you mean a table saw, or a handheld "skilsaw" sort of saw?
30:15 <Lemon> handheld circular saw
30:21 <rust_collector> mmhmm
30:26 <canadaguest> yeah I'm just browsing for now rust_collector but many thanks :)
30:37 <Lemon> the dude working on our house told me he'd cut it
30:53 <rust_collector> good.
31:36 <Lemon> so yeah
31:41 <Lemon> what else could I build
32:01 <Lemon> I like it, its nice to build tools that I will use for many things
32:29 <rust_collector> I am wondering if I shoudl just throw the mig welder in the bin, and just tig everything. It is not like I do high volume production stuff
34:15 <Lemon> get it
34:35 <rust_collector> git wot?
35:13 <canadaguest> its kinda interesting that some of the din rail modules have no terminal on them or any opening for din/rj ports either. basically completely sealed units
35:13 <Lemon> the mig welder ?
35:40 <canadaguest> kinda wonder if perhaps they're meant to be custom-drilled for individual needs after all
36:12 <rust_collector> get a mig welder? I have one, it is just crap. I have tig. it will do, it is just slower
36:23 <canadaguest> lemon as long as you don't try pick up a mig plane or a tiger ;) (sorry maybe bad pun)
37:13 <rust_collector> canadaguest, there are all kinds of stuff you can stick on a din rail. I am sure you can find stuffed animals to click on a din rail
41:41 <canadaguest> rust_collector heh, well heres the nice one btw http://www.altechcorp.com/dinenclosures/KU4100.html
48:19 <rust_collector> I think it is time to go outside, and either do something, or put the car down on the ground again. it looks a bit weird, tilted up on a stack of wheels
55:12 <canadaguest> car?
55:17 <canadaguest> hmm what car?
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