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03:12 <Mekkis> steven, I work in an office
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16:15 <Avatar> mekkis are you about
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20:36 <Avatar> there's only 4 modules for post-12
20:59 <Avatar> Academy of Secrets (12-14), Tomb of the Iron Medusa (13-15), The Moonscar (15-17), The Witchwar Legacy (16-18)
39:43 <Avatar> I wear boots on fridays
41:09 <steven> i wear boots everyday!
03:51 <mr_wibble> How can someone who is almost 30 and never had a job get one? I have been applying(fast food, retail, entry level) just to be told I am not what they are looking for (We have reviewed your application for this position and will be proceeding with other candidates at this time.) or they are not hiring.
11:29 <Avatar> lol?
49:18 <Brunius> Philderbeast, you gonna fight at festival?
57:24 <Philderbeast> probably not
04:43 <Philderbeast> you?
27:39 <Brunius> nah, not going to festival after all
27:42 <Brunius> maybe next year
27:49 <Philderbeast> yea im only going for 1 day
47:43 <Philderbeast> so i need 6 more exp on my DD....
32:59 <Mekkis> Avatar, yes, and...?
33:23 <Avatar> and that's not enough !!
33:58 <Mekkis> you should ask Paizo to write more
35:06 <Avatar> paizo never listen to me
36:15 <Mekkis> obviously, your problem is that you insist on PFS
47:02 <Brunius> ^
47:21 <Mekkis> play pathfinder without the PFS bit, and it's so much better
47:37 <Mekkis> speaking of which, Brunius....
47:44 <Mekkis> Serpent's skull...!
47:48 <Brunius> oh yeah
53:57 <Avatar> that's not the problem
07:48 <Mekkis> oh?
07:50 <Avatar> it never occurred to me how dirt cheap most cracked ioun stones are
07:52 <Mekkis> how so?
09:49 <Avatar> dark blue rhomboid, +1 to sense motive and perception, 400gp
10:02 <Avatar> deep red sphere, +1 to any dex-based skill, 200gp
10:13 <Avatar> dusty rose, +1 to init, 500gp
10:14 <Avatar> etc
11:10 <Mekkis> the question was in regards to your previous statement
12:04 <Avatar> I don't care to go into that
19:35 <Mekkis> hehe
20:00 <Mekkis> (One whether GM's should coup-de-grace PCs) Just threaten to start sundering and they will beg you to CdG.
25:27 <Mekkis> s/e//
28:17 <Avatar> did you shift away from playing glories 
28:49 <Avatar> looks like you're only signed up to part 3
28:56 <Mekkis> yes
29:09 <Mekkis> it turns out that I've actually played parts one and two.
29:15 <Avatar> good 1
34:29 <Mekkis> yeah. I feel a bit bummed about it
34:38 <Mekkis> is ulzef not coming on the Sunday?
41:19 <Avatar> I think hall of the flesh eaters needs to be dropped
41:31 <Avatar> I don't know if newer players don't normally sign up to 1-5s?
49:42 <Mekkis> I think 7-11 stuff should be scheduled :S
51:07 <Avatar> I'll be surprised if I don't end up running fate of the fiend
51:33 <Avatar> matt wants to schedule eyes of the ten on monday, but I have no idea how that can possibly happen
51:46 <Mekkis> ah
51:51 <Avatar> stephen hasn't played part 3 and 4 either, so we're trying to get him in
51:55 <Mekkis> part 3 can be done in a session
52:10 <Avatar> yeah but how will stephen possibly agree to play it on a con day
52:26 <Avatar> especially a con day with nothing running so far
52:40 <Mekkis> I've already played fate :S
53:04 <Avatar> yeah nobody else in melb has
53:15 <Mekkis> you have, now, right>
53:22 <Avatar> yeah, through an online game
53:31 <Avatar> and here's the kicker, that was to prep to run it at this con
59:00 <Avatar> steven
59:17 <steven> sup
00:22 <Avatar> my character went from 10.1 to 12 today
00:28 <Avatar> that was pretty disastrous
01:02 <steven> did you have fun?
01:46 <Avatar> you don't understand
01:54 <Avatar> I thought I was on 10.1, but it turned out I was on 11.2
02:50 <steven> thats why i use a spreadsheet.
02:59 <Avatar> what spreadsheet
03:02 <Avatar> you never mentioned a spreadsheet
03:06 <Avatar> show us your spreadsheet
03:14 <steven> after every game i just type in the game, how much gold i got, and other stuff...
03:19 <steven> it adds it all up
03:38 <steven> and then all i gotta do is hit the save button
03:58 <steven> It is a spreadsheet... you can make one as well.
04:04 <Avatar> show us your format
04:22 <Avatar> the only thing I didn't include in my list of scenarios on my sheet was exp
04:38 <Avatar> I didn't account for 2 modules being worth 6
05:31 <steven> get on it mang
06:18 <Avatar> show us your paso doblè
06:41 <steven> no ways! its all mine!
07:40 * steven steeples his fingers evily!
20:34 <Avatar> we want to see this paso doblè
20:41 <Avatar> SHOW us your paso doblè
24:06 <Mekkis> heh. Congrats Avatar 
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31:24 <Avatar> for what
47:50 <Avatar> [22:45] <Quenton> what editiono d&d do you play
47:51 <Avatar> [22:45] <Rasmenar_> 5th currently. Thoroughly enjoying it thus far.
47:51 <Avatar> [22:45] <Rasmenar_> I'm DM'ing a Norse-inspired campaign.
47:51 <Avatar> [22:45] <Quenton> better than pathfinder?
47:51 <Avatar> [22:46] <Rasmenar_> Honestly? Pathfinder has more support material, but I actually like the core system of 5th better.
47:51 <Avatar> [22:46] <Quenton> now I know you're lying
47:51 <Avatar> [22:46] <Quenton> that was a test
56:31 <Mekkis> Getting another character to 12
56:33 <Mekkis> Who is it?
57:00 <Avatar> Snickers
57:12 <Avatar> that's not worthy of congratulations, I wanted to get her to 11
57:16 <Avatar> so I could use split hex
57:25 <Avatar> now I am screwed until I find a module and people to play it with
59:50 <Mekkis> If you do end up playing Wardens of the Reborn Forge, keep me in the loop please !
01:15 <Avatar> rgr
01:55 <Mekkis> Oh, FYI
02:11 <Mekkis> My flight's booked. Will land at Tullamarine at 0750.
02:26 <Mekkis> Any particular clothing I should wear?
03:12 <Avatar> usual autumn/winter wear
03:24 <Avatar> just a shirt and jeans is fine for trees
03:42 <Avatar> shorts are fine as well if you're insistent
03:57 <Mekkis> shoes?
04:17 <Avatar> yeah bring shoes
04:30 <Mekkis> what sort? Runners okay? or boots?
04:36 <Avatar> I lost sunglasses that were hanging from my shirt
04:39 <Avatar> runners are fine
04:46 <Avatar> just not something that will slip off your feet while you're on a flying fox
04:53 <Avatar> you can't get anything you drop
04:54 <Mekkis> ah okay
05:18 <Avatar> I wouldn't recommend sandals, but even those are probably okay
05:42 <Mekkis> probably not the shoes I wear to work, is what you're saying.
07:46 <steven> suuuuuuuup
07:51 <steven> im back
11:21 <Mekkis> because they have hardly any grip.
18:46 <Avatar> it's more to protect your foot rather than grip on a surface
18:59 <Avatar> although if it's raining, I would prefer wearing shoes with at least a little grip
21:07 <steven> I always just wear work boots.
22:41 <steven> http://www.constructiongear.com/media/catalog/product/cache/3/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/c/s/csgboot1000003851_-00_light-brown_rugged-blue-steel-toe-waterproof-mens-work-boots-angle.jpg
23:42 <Avatar> those boots are bad ass
23:57 <Avatar> I'd prefer a dark boot
26:15 <steven> you can usually get them in a darker finished leather
28:36 <steven> i just like them because they last as long as the finished leather, but cost about 30 bucks
37:55 <steven> i should buy a new pair of boots.
38:15 <steven> i think there is a redwings dealer over in moscow... spendy shoes but totally worth it.
04:13 <Mekkis> steven, I work in an office
40:43 <Avatar> I wear boots on fridays
42:09 <steven> i wear boots everyday!
30:14 <steven> there we go, now its uploading all my spreadsheets for my characters onto my drive
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28:35 <Goya> I work in an office and I wear boots (Doc Martins). 
29:55 <Goya> Erm.  *Martens
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02:51 <mr_wibble> How can someone who is almost 30 and never had a job get one? I have been applying(fast food, retail, entry level) just to be told I am not what they are looking for (We have reviewed your application for this position and will be proceeding with other candidates at this time.) or they are not hiring.
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10:28 <Avatar> lol?
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56:35 <steven> pizza pizza pizza
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11:14 <Philderbeast> evenine
11:17 <Philderbeast> evening*
17:31 <Avatar> ya
17:44 <steven> evening
18:16 <Avatar> I need to narrow down a list of GMs who don't allow scrolls in spring loaded wrist sheathes
18:26 <Avatar> it's too dangerous
18:32 <steven> yup
18:48 <steven> gloves of storing.
18:56 <Avatar> 10k mate
19:07 <steven> 10k no table variation
19:09 <Avatar> per character
19:16 <Avatar> a list will get rid of the table variation
25:10 <Philderbeast> there are so many other ways to acheive the same result..... without the table variation just pick one of them
27:43 <Philderbeast> http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2s2x5?PFS-Items-that-can-save-you-in-2015#17
30:36 <Philderbeast> 5 options under 5k
43:05 <steven> not as good as a slws
43:30 <Philderbeast> but effective and no table variation
43:33 <Avatar> you shouldn't have to when the rule supports it
46:21 <Philderbeast> except that a lot of GMs would disagree that the rule supports it
48:56 <Philderbeast> with other options i would never rely on the GM giving me the best case ruling for something like that
55:52 <Mekkis> Avatar, no, you need to realise that scrolls in spring-loaded wrist sheaths is stupid
56:39 <Mekkis> But put me down as "Does not allow it, but does allow drawing a scroll as part of a move."
04:38 <Avatar> it's a hotly contested rule
05:07 <Avatar> is putting arrows in wrist sheathes stupid
05:09 <Philderbeast> not really your the only one i know that thinks it should be allowed
05:17 <Avatar> really
05:18 <Avatar> the only one
05:38 <Philderbeast> that I know, doesnt mean others dont think it should work
06:06 <Avatar> http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2plml?spring-loaded-wrist-sheaths-and-amount-of
06:37 <Philderbeast> oh i know there are loud keyboard warriors
06:40 <Philderbeast>  on the forums, 
06:45 <Philderbeast> hence i said that i know
06:48 <Philderbeast> not that i have heard
06:54 <Avatar> those keyboard warriors are players and GMs
07:41 <Avatar> making a decision to say a breath of life scroll can't go in a wrist sheathe is usually making it harder for characters to survive based on a rule that splits the community about 50/50
08:06 <Avatar> some people don't mind hard mode, some do
08:24 <Philderbeast> when there are plenty of  other ways thast are more then affordable by the time breath of life is important 
08:47 <Philderbeast> its not stopping you from doing something, its just stopping something very munchkin 
08:58 <Avatar> when do you think breath of life isn't important
08:59 <Mekkis> as I said, I allow drawing a scroll as part of a move.
09:11 <Philderbeast> when you cant afford it?
09:19 <Avatar> before level 2
09:33 <Philderbeast> or realisticly expect to be able to cast it
09:50 <Avatar> do you think arrows in a wrist sheathe are munchkin as well
09:51 <Philderbeast> remember you still need to be able to make the caster level check to cast it
10:05 <Philderbeast> its specificly allowed in the text of the item./...
10:12 <Philderbeast> stupid as a quiver is better but allowed
11:04 <Mekkis> no, I think it's stupid
11:21 <Avatar> that's what the item does though
11:27 <Avatar> it doesn't matter if you think it's stupid
12:51 <Mekkis> yes it does
12:56 <Avatar> when you get to the point to argue semantics on how a scroll is harder to unravel vs springing out 5 arrows, it's clear that you're not thinking in terms of the players having fun
13:56 <Philderbeast> but that's not why most GM's don't allow it and definatly not why i dont allow it
14:13 <Avatar> that's exactly why most don't allow it
14:18 <Avatar> what's your reason
14:20 <Mekkis> ummm no
16:01 <Mekkis> so sure, the rules say something stupid (you can store 5 arrows on your wrist), and you are saying that because of this stupid statement, you should be able to store 5' of rolled up parchment there too
16:16 <Philderbeast> because the description of a scroll is not consistent with the items listed that are acceptable to the sheath
16:30 <Philderbeast> i.e. its not a solid item
16:42 <Avatar> a forearm-length item
16:59 <Philderbeast> A scroll is a heavy sheet of fine vellum or high-quality paper. An area about 8-1/2 inches wide and 11 inches long is sufficient to hold one spell
17:35 <Avatar> how long is a forearm
17:42 <Mekkis> aka wider than an A4 sheet of paper
17:46 <Avatar> we're talking semantics again
17:58 <Philderbeast> <Philderbeast>: i.e. its not a solid item
18:06 <Avatar> of course it's solid
18:23 <Avatar> is it liquid
18:39 <Philderbeast> solid as in streghth
19:37 <Avatar> it doesnt' talk about durability at all?
20:00 <Philderbeast> everything descriobed as being able to go in the wrist sheath is wooden/metal
20:18 <Philderbeast> not paper
20:19 <Avatar> you can't tell me you're not trying to argue semantics with that
20:30 <steven> i have pie.
20:47 <Avatar> how far of a stretch is it for you to just say "well, it might fit"
20:58 <Philderbeast> I also make sure to let my players know that is my ruling prior to games if i know it will come up so its not a supprise
21:04 <Avatar> let's pretend it cost more
21:08 <Avatar> would that make it acceptable
21:28 <Mekkis> regardless, if you really just want to move and cast Breath of Life from a scroll, my ruling allows this, without wearing a stupid item.
21:50 <Avatar> if it's a stupid item, that's an subjective opinion
22:23 <Philderbeast> there are lots of ways to make it acceptable, and there are many ways to get arround needing the spring loaded wrist sheath
22:39 <Philderbeast> there are also ways to be able to draw it for free without relying on anything but the CRB
22:45 <Avatar> I've only ever found out from a GM whether they accept scrolls and potions at the very beginning of a game when it's difficult to walk
23:06 <Mekkis> Avatar, be honest here, what is your use-case?
23:16 <Philderbeast> thats why you should have a plan B for when they wont let you use it
23:25 <Avatar> a scroll in a wrist sheath is my use case
23:34 <Philderbeast> and why my cleric avoided the issue entierly and got a greater casters sheild
23:34 <Mekkis> and when would you use the scroll?
23:35 <Avatar> you shouldn't need a plan B
23:51 <Avatar> get to the point mekkis, I don't like pointless questions
24:24 <Mekkis> okay. If you're just trying to deliver Breath of Life when it's needed, then drawing a scroll while moving is sufficient.
24:35 <Avatar> the problem is the item exists and there are GMs who just decide not to like it and restrict its use, rather than allowing its use to help a player survive
25:11 <Avatar> regardless of any semantics it carries, that attitude is the real problem
25:15 <Philderbeast> I have no problems with the item, however I have an issue with trying to stretch the rules to make it do the job of a far more valuable item
25:15 <Mekkis> If you've come up with some obscure, corner-case where getting a scroll (or especially potion) as a swift action allows you to break the game, it's bad.
25:46 <Avatar> it's not an obscure corner-case
25:50 <Avatar> it's half the community
25:59 <Avatar> if it was an obscure corner case, you'd probably be right
26:00 <Philderbeast> particularly in the unlreaistic case of a potion/scroll
26:08 <steven> didnt we have ths conversation like last month?
26:15 <Brunius_> steven: probably
26:16 <Avatar> the potion is the same story
26:19 <Philderbeast> I understand why people want it to work like that
26:48 <Mekkis> Avatar, what obscure corner case
26:55 <Avatar> it's almost like saying you might drop a potion when you retrieve it from your backpack because it's not a haversack and therefore isn't at the top of your bag
27:04 <Philderbeast> but when there are specific items to let you do that and they have a far higher cost..... even taking out scemantics it becomes game breaking balance wise
27:27 <Avatar> the gloves of storing allow you to retrieve as a free action, and it's any item
27:36 <Philderbeast> and cost 10k
27:39 <Avatar> right
27:46 <Avatar> it's a big price difference, but that's what the rulebook has
27:55 <Avatar> just because you don't like it doesn't mean you should punish players on table variance
28:12 <Avatar> if you really want players to enjoy themselves, just let them do it
28:40 <Avatar> you're always free to not use the item like that yourself on your own character
28:40 <Philderbeast> so you want a 5gp item to do the job of a 10kgp item
28:49 <Avatar> it's not the same function
29:54 <Mekkis> so: What scroll do you put in it, Avatar?
31:06 <steven> a scroll of heroes feast...  why? because there is pie in a heroes feast
33:08 <Philderbeast> and discussions like this are why i avoid table variation items....
33:13 <Philderbeast> and builds for the most part
36:30 <steven> seriouly though... we have this spring loaded wrist discussion every month or so
37:39 <steven> i think they should come out with another really vaguely worded item thats super useful so we can discuss that one for a while...
37:56 <Philderbeast> lol
38:03 <steven> oh i know how about a spring loaded ankle sheathe
38:24 <steven> yeah!
38:52 <Philderbeast> well rather then flooging that dead horse how about another take on it, we can all probably agree that its part of a GM's job to make sure the players have fun, 
39:07 <Philderbeast> whats your thoughts on as a player working to make sure the GM also has fun with the session?
45:22 <Mekkis> Avatar, the GM is a player too
45:24 <Whitey> yeah, but I don't have time to play :P
45:35 <Whitey> it'd be something nice to watch at work whilst I'm working
46:32 <Mekkis> and I still don't see why you'd object to drawing a scroll as part of a move in lieu of putting the scroll in a wrist sheath
46:37 <Whitey> is it modules or an ongoing campaign?
46:46 <Avatar> it's a PFS scenario
47:17 <Whitey> but not ongoing weekly characters? is it fresh every week?
49:04 <Avatar> er
49:15 <Avatar> different scenario each time you play
49:22 <Avatar> you can play with different players, or different characters
49:38 <Avatar> each character has their own credit based on what they play or how much they play
49:51 <Whitey> yeah, I've played a little PFS
49:58 <Whitey> don't have the time to go to the games anymore on sunday mornings :(
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52:07 <Avatar> it's not always sunday
52:12 <Avatar> any GM can run it at any time
52:28 <Avatar> it's not "weekly"
52:33 <Whitey> lol, I work 50 hour weeks and have a kid at home, and run my own game every 2 weeks :P
52:37 <Whitey> I struggle with things in my spare time!
03:40 <Avatar> it's about the attitude of a GM towards the players rather than the semantics
06:00 <Avatar> abandon your game
06:39 <Whitey> lol
06:49 <Whitey> I don't think my players would be happy about that!
18:06 <Mekkis> not the attitude of a player towards the GM. It seems pretty childish really: "That GM doesn't agree with me on this controversial corner case! Waaa!"
19:27 <Avatar> it's not a contraversial corner case
20:17 <Avatar> they can play too
20:49 <Mekkis> pretty sure it is: the continued forum discussions seem to indicate that
21:12 <Avatar> the forums suggest that it's contraversial
21:15 <Avatar> not that it's a corner case
21:46 <Avatar> if a clear majority we're saying no scrolls can't go in them, then it's fair for a GM to rule that way
22:13 <Mekkis> if it's about 50%, then it's a good idea not to rely on it.
22:23 <Avatar> due to table variance
22:33 <Avatar> not because the intent seems to sway one way or another
22:43 <Avatar> and the best way to GM is to err on the side of the players
22:47 <Mekkis> also, look at the posters who are arguing each way
22:59 <Avatar> so if you're a GM who's erring on not allowing something that's split like that
23:02 <Mekkis> the more experienced GMs all tend to go towards the "no way"
23:06 <Avatar> I have problems with that
23:22 <Avatar> have you tallied it up
23:26 <Avatar> by name
23:29 <Mekkis> no
23:32 <Mekkis> have you?
23:41 <Avatar> no but I'm not the one claiming the more experienced GMs say this
23:54 <Avatar> I know half of them say no and half of them say yes
24:23 <Avatar> it's not 10-20% of people saying no like you're suggesting
24:30 <Avatar> that would be a corner case
27:06 <Mekkis> it's a clear grey area
27:24 <Mekkis> Mark Seifter is quoted as saying it is!
27:33 <Mekkis> http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2rqyc?Springloaded-wrist-sheaths-and-table-variation#25
28:25 <Avatar> suggesting a GM can rule harshly or leniently
28:32 <Avatar> which do you think makes for a better ruling for a player
29:37 <Mekkis> I think that disallowing scrolls in spring-loaded sheaths, but allowing drawing scrolls as part of a move is the best compromise
30:26 <Avatar> you shouldn't be making a compromise rule like that when there's already a written rule
30:31 <Avatar> you either allow it or you don't
31:36 <Mekkis> if you're making the argument that seems to always come up ("I want to put a scroll of Breath of Life in there to save a fallen ally"), then it puts the player in a BETTER position than before.
31:53 <Avatar> you don't know that
31:59 <Avatar> your move action can provoke
32:12 <Avatar> to begin with
32:16 <Avatar> I don't know what else it might affect
32:28 <Avatar> why would you want to put them in a better position than what's written
33:19 <Avatar> rods are a better example of a corner case, because almost nobody allows that
33:25 <Mekkis> drawing a non-weapon from a wrist sheath would provoke. It's clear: it provokes 'as normal'
33:39 <Avatar> I'm talking spring loaded, obviously
33:51 <steven> jeeze you guys sstill goin on bout this?
34:00 <Mekkis> a spring-loaded wrist sheath also provokes as normal
34:38 <Avatar> no it doesn't
35:01 <Avatar> it works like a standard wrist sheath in that it releases an item
35:33 <Avatar> to say maybe it provokes as well is another level of clarity everyone needs and doesn't have, and to rule that it provokes is to err against the player 
36:27 <Avatar> every time you have to make a call, you should be asking yourself if you're erring in favour of the players or not
36:42 <Avatar> assuming the bad guys get the same advantage or disadvantage
36:46 <Mekkis> I also ask myself who the players are.
36:50 <Avatar> unless you're playing for players who like hard mode
38:47 <Mekkis> Casting a Quickened Scorching Ray does not provoke, but the ranged touch attacks of the rays of fire do. 
44:03 <Whitey> lol
44:09 <Whitey> yeah, I don't think they'd like that :P
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58:42 <Mekkis> If you've looked into real-life spring loaded sheaths, even with today's technology, they:
58:42 <Mekkis> - only work for the specific knife they're designed for (which won't have a blade longer than 100mm, generally). Good luck putting anything else in it and expecting it to function.
58:42 <Mekkis> - are really dangerous. You have a blade with a bunch of springs behind it, held by a small catch. One bump and you risk cutting yourself and dropping the knife.
58:42 <Mekkis> - as a consequence, you need to be very careful around them, restricting your movements.
58:42 <Mekkis> If anyone can show me anything to the contrary, please show me a link.
01:45 <Avatar> was that a 3 hour game?
01:49 <Philderbeast> see i wasent trying to kill snickers
01:55 <Avatar> easy money
01:56 <Philderbeast> yea about that
03:29 <Philderbeast> and reported on paizo
04:11 <Avatar> er, I think I might have levelled up
04:39 <Philderbeast> ncie
05:53 <Avatar> er
06:08 <Avatar> I'm counting 34 exp
06:18 <Avatar> isn't that like 11.1
06:23 <Avatar> or 12.1
06:27 <Philderbeast> 12.1
06:41 <Avatar> can you check the scenario list at the bottom of my sheet
06:48 <Avatar> there's 2 modules in there that grant 3 xp
08:19 <Philderbeast> that list is all over the place
08:46 <Avatar> what do you mean
09:03 <Philderbeast> you need to order that by when ou played them
09:08 <Avatar> they are
09:18 <Avatar> the dates are on the left
09:24 <Philderbeast> it cant be.....
09:38 <Philderbeast> or you where out of teir for several of them
09:50 <Philderbeast> ruby pheonix as your 5th game?
09:54 <Avatar> ruby phoenix tournament was played early when you can roll up a pregenned character
09:59 <Avatar> that should be the only one that looks out of place
10:04 <Philderbeast> and crypt of the everflame with at least 5 making you level 3
10:09 <Philderbeast> 6*
10:13 <Philderbeast> for a 1-2 module
10:58 <Philderbeast> you cant use a pregen for ruby pheonix... or at least you cant anymore
11:08 <Avatar> yeah we played it just before the rule changed
12:44 <Philderbeast> 12.1 after today
12:56 <Philderbeast> unless you missed exp somewhere
13:30 <Avatar> date is wrong for CotE, it's from 2011
13:31 <Philderbeast> (2013-10-05) 5-06: The Elven Entanglement                                 (0gp) +?? [0P] im guessing that was 0xp
13:41 <Avatar> oh yeah, that's 0 exp
13:51 <Philderbeast> so your exactly level 12 now...
13:58 <Philderbeast> unless there is more lost xp with deaths
14:12 <Avatar> okay well that's still better than 12.1
14:14 <Avatar> I'll check up on the rest
14:40 <Philderbeast> TBH unless you can fix the records for that char you should probably retire it anyway
15:06 <Avatar> yeah the reporting will fix it
15:23 <Avatar> not sure why the exp counter wasn't right
15:50 <Philderbeast> are your chronicals correct at least?
17:06 <Avatar> I usually keep the chronicle info in a list like this
17:22 <Avatar> they wouldn't have been any better
19:49 <Avatar> can't believe I blew through level 11 without getting to try split hex
11:28 <ulzef> in your exsample mekkis the shift does not prevoke however it does because the normal action does drawing a weapon normaly does not provoke therefore the wrist sheath would not
12:09 <ulzef> also can you give me a link of someone rubbing a small amount of sulfur and bat poop and making a fireball
20:58 <Philderbeast> hmmm i need to level up my cleric it seems...
21:08 <Philderbeast> whats a good level 3 spell to add to her list?
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