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51:23 <Mekkis> good scenario?
05:51 <Avatar> which scenario
06:37 <Mekkis> The one Steven1 played
08:41 <Mekkis> Avatar, you shouldn't be too worried about metadata retention, as long as it's actually stored in Australia
08:51 <Avatar> yeah I meant what was it
08:58 <Avatar> what are you talking about with metadata retention
09:14 <Mekkis> Looked at your facebook
16:46 <Avatar> I dunno
16:50 <Avatar> slippery slope I think
34:26 <Mekkis> Avatar, the use is to be governed by the Telecommunications Intercept Act. I suggest you read up on it.
34:58 <Avatar> why
35:12 <Mekkis> because its really restrictive.
47:32 <Avatar> this sounds a bit like you wrote it
00:57 <Mekkis> me as in?
02:27 <Avatar> you mr mekkis
09:17 <Avatar> and sites that don't convert times automatically when you log in
25:40 <Mekkis> nope
54:11 <Mekkis> should just always show it as UTC
54:29 <Mekkis> When does DST end?
56:23 <Mekkis> Ballig?!
56:28 <Mekkis> Activity from Ballig?
18:25 <Mekkis> Here's a question: Nature vs Nurture when it comes to chromatic dragons
49:00 <Avatar> that isn't a question
49:58 <Mekkis> is there any information about what happens regarding Nature vs Nurture when it comes to chromatic dragons¿
50:10 <Avatar> can you be more specific
51:43 <Mekkis> is a black dragon, just hatched, inherently evil?
52:08 <Avatar> yeah
52:40 <Avatar> like their alignment is evil
52:47 <Avatar> that doesn't mean they are going to do evil things 100% of the time
52:54 <Avatar> any more than a paladin will stay on the good side 100% of the time
59:02 <Avatar> 5/4
33:54 <steven> Primal magic sucks...
34:24 <steven> mostly when your GM is being far to liberal with primal magic events.
35:14 <steven> and changing the rules so its more difficult to use items...
35:21 <steven> seriously... it really sucks.
36:58 <steven> my ring of invisibility which should have a 50% change to trigger a primal magic event, followed by a concentration check DC=15+Double spell level, if i fail then it triggers a primal magic event now just triggers a primal magic event 50% of the time.
38:16 <steven> just ha ha get fucked... your 20k magic item is useless... and your 54k in scrolls also have a 50% chance not to work and instead trigger a primal magic event...
38:30 <steven> my build is literally worthless right now.
43:30 <Mekkis> steven, you know how to handle that, right?
43:58 <Mekkis> just keep activating the ring each round
44:49 <steven> nah... last time i failed the check because i NEEDED to cast a heal spell.
45:16 <Mekkis> just keep activating the ring each round
45:17 <steven> on a roll of a 1... GM star reroll with +5 bonus... roll a 1.
45:28 <steven> summoned 2 CR14 creatures.
45:40 <steven> which immediately attacked us.
45:55 <Mekkis> is this PFS?!
46:09 <steven> yuuuuuuup
46:28 <Mekkis> with primal magic? 
46:34 <steven> this module makes use of the Primal Magic rules out of Inner sea Magic.
46:38 <Mekkis> ah
46:52 <Mekkis> and the GM is doing it wrong?
47:10 <steven> yeah, didnt know it at the time because i printed out my chronicle sheet.
47:18 <steven> so wasnt usin my laptop.
47:30 <steven> obviously i mean character
49:04 <steven> so yeah... gonna have to rehash this because its not fun to have every spell with the possibility to do stupid shit.
49:16 <steven> like in a mana storm... yeah sure.  every spell should have that chance.
49:43 <steven> but if we're roaming around in the mana wastes every spell we cast shouldnt have the possibility of blowing up in our face ya kmnow.
51:56 <steven> like oh hey you cast cure light wounds from a wand... 50% chance to trigger... fail... nat 20 on CR determinination... a 40 on the d100 to determine effect... excellent 20 creatures in the area get hit with the Harm spell.
54:25 <Mekkis> why are you rolling the d20 for CR? That's only for naturally occuring ones
54:50 <steven> thats what we were told.
55:42 <steven> I of course went and reread the rules because if this is how the game is going to be played i wouldnt have brought my Cloistered Cleric/Pathfinder Savant... who is basically a wand/scroll master.
55:51 <Mekkis> When the effect occurs, you need to determine the CR
55:51 <Mekkis> of the event. If the event is triggered by a spellcaster or
55:51 <Mekkis> a magic item, the event’s CR is equal to the spellcaster’s
55:51 <Mekkis> or item’s caster level. When an event occurs naturally,
55:51 <Mekkis> you can roll 1d20 to determine the CR.
57:36 <steven> yeah, im messaging him right now, because im not gonna play this with this character, I'd bring a Martial
08:29 <Mekkis> someone has to bring a spellcaster to the mana wastes
09:18 <steven> yeah... but not a spellcaster whos primary mechanic is using spell completion and spell trigger items.
09:45 <steven> because 50% of the time the effect is replaced by a primal magic event.
12:31 <steven> and so far every primal magic has been negative.
14:40 <Mekkis> but the CL is so low, right?
16:27 <steven> i activate my scrolls at my CL
23:04 <steven> it is a really debilitating mechanic for someone who spent the bulk of their character wealth on spell completion items.
25:07 <Mekkis> why aren't you getting a concentration check?
26:05 <steven> in an adventure path there is a spot that has a mechanic that is a dc 17 will save, if you fail you become paranoid and cannot benefit from aid another, healing, anything like that.
26:44 <steven> we had a player thats entire gimick was bodyguarding, in harms way, aid another on attacks.
26:54 <steven> basically made everyone just be better.
27:27 <steven> walks into the place... fails will save... character build completely shut down for an entire book of the adventure path.
28:07 <steven> i dunno why mekkis, i think its just a mistake or an oversight.
28:28 <steven> warden of the reborn forge has 12 source books.
28:39 <steven> thats just fuckin insane imo.
28:46 Topic for #d&d is: PFS: TBA || WotW: TBA || All topic times are AEDT (UTC+11:00); set your timezone on the site to see your local times in the Schedule! | Pathfinder Online http://www.pfrpg.com.au
28:46 Topic for #d&d set by Avatar at Sun Feb 22 23:01:30 2015
28:46 <***> Buffer Playback...
28:47 <***> Playback Complete.
29:53 <Mekkis> agreed
34:53 <Mekkis> hmm.. That is strange. Is it bad that Steam is stating that <X> is now using "You Need a Budget 4"?
35:38 <Mekkis> Wouldn't one consider that information sensitive?
43:26 <Mekkis> when does Daylight saving end?
44:01 <Mekkis> oh. Easter.
44:09 <Mekkis> That will be fun at conquest
44:50 <Avatar> I think it switches back the right way, so we get more sleep rather than less
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52:14 <Avatar> it's just smart business
52:30 <Avatar> it's not shameful
58:31 <Mekkis> yeah
58:48 <Mekkis> Avatar, regarding requests: Halls of Dwarven Lore trilogy
19:02 <Avatar> just play online lol.
19:14 <steven> cleric... level 14
26:42 <Avatar> there's going to be 2 tables each of 4 slots of scions of the sky key
26:59 <Avatar> I don't think a trilogy will get in
27:19 <Avatar> we were talking about running fingerprints/fury/fate and that's incredibly unlikely
27:30 <Avatar> it doesn't look like fate will even run at this point
27:37 <Avatar> it's a big maybe
28:20 <Avatar> you just seem to keep levelling up when nothing is happening
28:26 <Avatar> weren't you level 13 this morning
37:39 <steven> yes... 15hr session.
39:25 <steven> there were no less then 5 times today that i was having problems breathing because we were laughing so hard.
53:29 <steven> well... get to prepare a 7th level spell.
59:49 <steven> well i'll do this later today, i've been up for like 40 hours with a 1hr nap in the middle.... done for today.
59:58 <Mekkis> limited wish
01:22 <steven> im a cleric, w/ estoric magic adding Heightened Awareness, see invisibility, heroism, eyes of the void, contigency scroll
01:36 <steven> and ddoor.
02:34 <steven> alright, sleep... see ya.
02:40 <Mekkis> limited wish for a simulacrum of an antimagic baundersnatch
03:44 <Mekkis> Brock says it's okay!
15:52 <Avatar> you have brought up limited wish a lot lately
40:13 <Mekkis> Take up the Chelish burden, Call forth the best ye breed
40:13 <Mekkis>   And bind them into service, to serve your captives' need
40:13 <Mekkis> To wait in heavy harness, On fluttered folk and wild--
40:13 <Mekkis>   Your new-caught, sullen peoples, Half-demon and half-child.
40:14 <Mekkis>   And bind them into service, to serve your captives' need
40:16 <Mekkis> To wait in heavy harness, On fluttered folk and wild--
40:18 <Mekkis>   Your new-caught, sullen peoples, Half-demon and half-child.
40:58 <Mekkis> Deceased can cast it now
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42:44 <s_gmusic> So... Who's awake and wants to chime in on a Thing for PFS?
46:25 <s_gmusic> The Thing is: Arcanist's "School Understanding" Exploit: Does the last line mean "I dip 1 level into Wizard and choose a school. With 11 Levels of Arcanist, do I have the  School powers and abilities 
46:37 <s_gmusic> *of a 12th level wizard?
46:53 <s_gmusic> [friggin' hitting Enter instead of shift]
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38:52 <Avatar> s_g: without looking, it sounds like that is definitely definitely not the case
39:24 <Avatar> I could be wrong, but that is ringing the absurdity bell pretty loudly
47:58 <s_gmusic> yeah. here's a copy/paste of the line from D20pfsrd: " If the arcanist already has an arcane school (or gains one later), taking this exploit instead allows her arcanist levels to stack with the levels of the class that granted the arcane school when determining the powers and abilities of her arcane school."
48:28 <s_gmusic> and the entire exploit:
48:30 <s_gmusic> "School Understanding: The arcanist can select one arcane school from any of the schools available to a character with the arcane school wizard class feature, but does not have to select any opposition schools. The arcanist gains one ability of that arcane school as though she were a 1st-level wizard, using her Charisma modifier in place of her Intelligence modifier for this ability. The ability 
48:31 <s_gmusic> must be one gained at 1st level and is limited in its use per day to 3 + the arcanist's Charisma modifier. As a swift action, the arcanist can expend 1 point from her arcane reservoir to bolster her understanding, allowing her to treat her arcanist level as her wizard level for the purpose of using this ability for a number of rounds equal to her Charisma modifier (minimum 1). During this time, 
48:31 <s_gmusic> she also gains use of the other ability gained at 1st level for her selected school. She does not gain any other abilities when using this exploit in this way, such as those gained at 8th level. If the arcanist already has an arcane school (or gains one later), taking this exploit instead allows her arcanist levels to stack with the levels of the class that granted the arcane school when determining 
48:31 <s_gmusic> the powers and abilities of her arcane school."
51:07 <s_gmusic> the guy is trying to argue it works together (a Wiz 1/Arcanist 11 has the abilites and powers of a 12th lvl Wizard), but a few of us argue that it doesn't, it would be too OP.
52:25 <s_gmusic> It doesn't help that he's trying to do something stupid where it's a Wiz 1/Sorc 1/Arcanist 10 and have the School powers/abilites and Bloodline Abilities/Powers of an 11 Wizard and 11 Sorc. 
59:42 <Avatar> that does sound like it does that
59:57 <Avatar> I guess when you think about it, that means you get, what, 1 extra bloodline ability?
00:12 <Avatar> like a bloodline will have a 1st level power and like an 8th level power
00:19 <Avatar> so that exploit lets you get the 8th level one as well
00:26 <Avatar> or two 8th level powers in that guy's case
00:33 <Avatar> and he's burning a level or two to do it
00:50 <Avatar> the way you worded it made it sound like you become a full on 12th level wizard and get spells etc
01:52 <s_gmusic> no, not spells, just the bloodline ability/wizard power
02:22 <Avatar> yeah sounds right
02:34 <s_gmusic> even he said the character would only have the spell list of a 1st lvl wizard or sorcerer.
02:35 <Avatar> the point is he has to burn a whole level to do it
02:44 <Avatar> that means losing out on higher level arcanist spells
08:43 <s_gmusic> I know. this guy is bad for making characters like that. he'll level dip across multiple classes for some "broken" idea he came up with, but the character can only do that one thing (and not often enough to be really useful).
09:29 <s_gmusic> hell, I tried to come up with some min-maxed (Class) 2/(Class) 10 builds that were fun on paper, then after a few edits, I was better off going with a pure class instead.
11:26 <Avatar> it did sound completely absurd at first
13:37 <Mekkis> the bloodline power, or the bloodline arcana?
31:59 <Avatar> it'd have to be power
32:46 <Mekkis> that's fine
33:22 <Mekkis> Bloodline powers are generally not that big. Also, you can do it with Eldritch Heritage
37:54 <Avatar> what is a faction-specific prestige award
38:51 <Avatar> is that the field guide awards
41:38 <Mekkis> PFS or pathfinder?
42:04 <Avatar> PFS
43:35 <Avatar> the PFS guide only has faction traits, not prestige awards
43:41 <Avatar> not sure if there are any listed anywhere else?
43:57 <Avatar> can't find any in the PFS primer, not much about factions in there at all
46:32 <Mekkis> you sure it isn't non-pfs?
47:53 <Avatar> "another active faction" is the exact words
48:04 <Avatar> are there other pathfinder factions that are active in PFS
48:14 <Avatar> are there prestige awards for the aspis consortium
52:17 <Mekkis> oh
52:20 <Mekkis> that boon
52:34 <Mekkis> didn't think you were cheliax
52:52 <Avatar> Snickers is a natural with the dark archives
52:56 <Mekkis> basically, anything in the Factions section of the Field Guide
53:08 <Avatar> seems like a bit of a dumb boon
54:01 <Mekkis> Ever wanted to be both a hellknight and a eagle knight?
54:35 <Avatar> Snickers is a bluffer, not a diplomaciser
55:01 <Mekkis> Snickers dumped wisdom and strength, right?
55:14 <Avatar> yeah
55:23 <Mekkis> I can see the wisdom dumping
55:25 <Avatar> 8 wis
55:34 <Avatar> it's in character!
55:57 <Mekkis> What level is she now?
59:58 <Mekkis> She could become a Lion Blade!
00:15 <Mekkis> or a baroness
00:29 <Avatar> 10
00:53 <Mekkis> ?
00:55 <Mekkis> ah
01:03 <Avatar> I think tiller looks like the best one so far, but even that's dumb
01:09 <Mekkis> it is dumb
01:40 <Mekkis> get a Shining Wayfinder
01:42 <Mekkis> :)
01:51 <Avatar> holy shit, can I
01:58 <Avatar> where is that
02:13 <Mekkis> Silver crusade
02:29 <Mekkis>                       Beacon of Good (Fame 5, 2 PP) The
02:29 <Mekkis> Shining Crusade gives you a shining wayfinder (see page
02:29 <Mekkis> 55) emblazoned with the emblem of a silver dragon. If you
02:29 <Mekkis> lose your shining wayfinder, you can purchase a new one
02:29 <Mekkis> for an additional 2 PP. Members of the Silver Crusade
02:30 <Mekkis> who are caught selling shining wayfinders for their own
02:32 <Mekkis> prof it are exiled, and must switch factions.
02:51 <Avatar> that's just a regular bloody wayfinder
03:01 <Avatar> I think I already have one with a decemvirate seal on it
03:11 <Mekkis> it can detect evil!
03:19 <Avatar> oh
03:27 <Mekkis> and Protection from Evil!
03:29 <Avatar> maybe I should see page 55
03:33 <Mekkis> :P
03:42 <Mekkis> !item shining wayfinder
03:44 <diebot> Mekkis, SHINING WAYFINDER [faint divination] CL:3 none 2000gp, 1lb
03:44 <diebot> A shining wayfinder is a polished silver compass favored by members of the Shining Crusade. In addition to the usual functions of a wayfinder (including the ability to create light), a shining wayfinder can be used to cast detect evil-when so used, its needle points not to the north but rather to the nearest source of evil within 60 feet. Once per
03:44 <diebot> day, a shining wayfinder can be used to cast protection from evil upon the wayfinder's bearer. A shining wayfinder functions only for a creature that is good-aligned. When held by an evil creature, the shining wayfinder's needle spins in a frantic circle. When held by any creature that is both nonevil and nongood, the needle simply hangs limply,
03:44 <diebot> not pointing to anything at all (not even to true north). Source: Pathfinder Society Field Guide
04:13 <Avatar> that is probably the only decent award in there
04:25 <Avatar> unless you want to make something a class skill, I guess, but they're all terrible for spellcasters
04:56 <Mekkis> knowledge local isn't
05:24 <Avatar> yeah that one is decent
06:11 <Mekkis> diplomacy isn't
06:17 <Avatar> beacon of good completely contradicts Snickers' personality
06:26 <Avatar> but this is effectively a stolen boon so that works wonders
06:36 <Avatar> suckit s.crusade
06:44 <Avatar> I'll show them
06:58 <Avatar> what are they gonna do, exile me from their faction? ha!
07:01 <Mekkis> have they got the conquest schedule up?
07:12 <Avatar> hardly anything's been organised
07:18 <Avatar> GMs are talking scenario preferences
07:28 <Avatar> it's unlikely to go up until about a week beforehand
07:44 <Mekkis> Am I able to request a scenario?
07:56 <Avatar> yes, we're sort of begging for requests
08:14 <Mekkis> Ooh
08:19 <Mekkis> Kortos Envoy!
09:25 <Mekkis> Where Mammoths Dare Not Tread
11:59 <Mekkis> if they want me to run The Slave Master's Mirror, say so.
12:40 <Avatar> someone's volunteered slave master's mirror
13:05 <Mekkis> let me guess who it is
13:12 <Mekkis> The VL from Adelaide?
13:51 <Avatar> who's that
13:54 <Avatar> callum?
14:32 <Mekkis> yeah
21:22 <Avatar> can't find it now
22:02 <Avatar> ah it's mark platt
22:26 <Avatar> I just realised this wayfinder award you pointed out could give me a free 1000gp
22:37 <Avatar> since the penalty really doesn't apply
28:21 <Avatar> wait a MINUTE
28:29 <Avatar> it only works for characters that are good-aligned
28:34 <Avatar> Snickers isn't good-aligned!
28:36 <Avatar> you tried to trick me
29:02 <Mekkis> how was I supposed to know that?
29:10 <Avatar> she's SNICKERS!
29:13 <Avatar> she's a witch!
29:15 <Avatar> an angry witch!
29:16 <Mekkis> so?
29:27 <Mekkis> good doesn't mean nice
29:31 <Avatar> her party members keep abandoning her to her death
29:36 <Avatar> how do you think she feels
30:04 <Avatar> betrayed, that's what she feels
30:23 <Avatar> this wayfinder will definitely be going to the black market
30:34 <Avatar> today, the silver crusade, tomorrow, THE WORLD !
30:46 <Avatar> no good deed goes unpunished !!!
34:57 <Mekkis> I always think it's funny how you're always looking at the monetary value
36:31 <Avatar> I didn't look at it until just now
36:51 <Avatar> I wouldn't have looked at it at all except it says "anyone who sells this gets exiled out of the faction"
37:01 <Avatar> I mean that is tantalising
45:16 <Mekkis> also: UMD :)
49:32 <Avatar> I do have good UMD
49:46 <Avatar> I don't think there is another charismatic witch in the world
01:24 <Avatar> I don't think I'll be using skype again for voice in games
01:33 <Avatar> it was unbelievably easy to get a hangout working for everyone
06:37 <Mekkis> what's wrong with skype?
07:49 <Avatar> it's harder to deal with than g+
07:55 <Avatar> every game is using hangouts now
08:21 <Avatar> every game I try to run with skype always has at least two people who haven't logged in since forever and can't remember their login details and don't know how to add people
08:31 <Avatar> with hangouts you paste the link and it's done
32:38 <Mekkis> assuming everyone has a google account?
41:02 <Mekkis> Heh. Again I'm discovering Aluminium before steel
47:06 <Steven1> level 13
48:41 <Mekkis> level 13?
51:36 <Steven1> on my cleric.
51:49 <Steven1> hammered out the primal magic.
52:11 <Steven1> we had a blast once the GM hadnt been out drinking before the game.
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42:45 <steven> alright... cleric/savant is now level 15
44:44 <steven> sorry 16
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