// #d&d — 2015-03-17
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00:43:38 <s_gmusic> So... Who's awake and wants to chime in on a Thing for PFS?
00:47:19 <s_gmusic> The Thing is: Arcanist's "School Understanding" Exploit: Does the last line mean "I dip 1 level into Wizard and choose a school. With 11 Levels of Arcanist, do I have the School powers and abilities
00:47:31 <s_gmusic> *of a 12th level wizard?
00:47:47 <s_gmusic> [friggin' hitting Enter instead of shift]
00:51:23 <Mekkis> good scenario?
01:05:51 <Avatar> which scenario
01:06:37 <Mekkis> The one Steven1 played
01:08:41 <Mekkis> Avatar, you shouldn't be too worried about metadata retention, as long as it's actually stored in Australia
01:08:51 <Avatar> yeah I meant what was it
01:08:58 <Avatar> what are you talking about with metadata retention
01:09:14 <Mekkis> Looked at your facebook
01:16:46 <Avatar> I dunno
01:16:50 <Avatar> slippery slope I think
01:34:26 <Mekkis> Avatar, the use is to be governed by the Telecommunications Intercept Act. I suggest you read up on it.
01:34:58 <Avatar> why
01:35:12 <Mekkis> because its really restrictive.
01:47:32 <Avatar> this sounds a bit like you wrote it
02:00:57 <Mekkis> me as in?
02:02:27 <Avatar> you mr mekkis
02:39:46 <Avatar> s_g: without looking, it sounds like that is definitely definitely not the case
02:40:18 <Avatar> I could be wrong, but that is ringing the absurdity bell pretty loudly
02:48:52 <s_gmusic> yeah. here's a copy/paste of the line from D20pfsrd: " If the arcanist already has an arcane school (or gains one later), taking this exploit instead allows her arcanist levels to stack with the levels of the class that granted the arcane school when determining the powers and abilities of her arcane school."
02:49:22 <s_gmusic> and the entire exploit:
02:49:25 <s_gmusic> "School Understanding: The arcanist can select one arcane school from any of the schools available to a character with the arcane school wizard class feature, but does not have to select any opposition schools. The arcanist gains one ability of that arcane school as though she were a 1st-level wizard, using her Charisma modifier in place of her Intelligence modifier for this ability. The ability
02:49:25 <s_gmusic> must be one gained at 1st level and is limited in its use per day to 3 + the arcanist's Charisma modifier. As a swift action, the arcanist can expend 1 point from her arcane reservoir to bolster her understanding, allowing her to treat her arcanist level as her wizard level for the purpose of using this ability for a number of rounds equal to her Charisma modifier (minimum 1). During this time,
02:49:25 <s_gmusic> she also gains use of the other ability gained at 1st level for her selected school. She does not gain any other abilities when using this exploit in this way, such as those gained at 8th level. If the arcanist already has an arcane school (or gains one later), taking this exploit instead allows her arcanist levels to stack with the levels of the class that granted the arcane school when determining
02:49:25 <s_gmusic> the powers and abilities of her arcane school."
02:52:02 <s_gmusic> the guy is trying to argue it works together (a Wiz 1/Arcanist 11 has the abilites and powers of a 12th lvl Wizard), but a few of us argue that it doesn't, it would be too OP.
02:53:19 <s_gmusic> It doesn't help that he's trying to do something stupid where it's a Wiz 1/Sorc 1/Arcanist 10 and have the School powers/abilites and Bloodline Abilities/Powers of an 11 Wizard and 11 Sorc.
03:00:36 <Avatar> that does sound like it does that
03:00:51 <Avatar> I guess when you think about it, that means you get, what, 1 extra bloodline ability?
03:01:06 <Avatar> like a bloodline will have a 1st level power and like an 8th level power
03:01:13 <Avatar> so that exploit lets you get the 8th level one as well
03:01:20 <Avatar> or two 8th level powers in that guy's case
03:01:27 <Avatar> and he's burning a level or two to do it
03:01:44 <Avatar> the way you worded it made it sound like you become a full on 12th level wizard and get spells etc
03:02:46 <s_gmusic> no, not spells, just the bloodline ability/wizard power
03:03:16 <Avatar> yeah sounds right
03:03:29 <s_gmusic> even he said the character would only have the spell list of a 1st lvl wizard or sorcerer.
03:03:29 <Avatar> the point is he has to burn a whole level to do it
03:03:38 <Avatar> that means losing out on higher level arcanist spells
03:09:37 <s_gmusic> I know. this guy is bad for making characters like that. he'll level dip across multiple classes for some "broken" idea he came up with, but the character can only do that one thing (and not often enough to be really useful).
03:10:23 <s_gmusic> hell, I tried to come up with some min-maxed (Class) 2/(Class) 10 builds that were fun on paper, then after a few edits, I was better off going with a pure class instead.
03:12:20 <Avatar> it did sound completely absurd at first
03:25:40 <Mekkis> nope
03:56:23 <Mekkis> Ballig?!
03:56:28 <Mekkis> Activity from Ballig?
04:14:31 <Mekkis> the bloodline power, or the bloodline arcana?
04:18:25 <Mekkis> Here's a question: Nature vs Nurture when it comes to chromatic dragons
04:32:54 <Avatar> it'd have to be power
04:33:40 <Mekkis> that's fine
04:34:17 <Mekkis> Bloodline powers are generally not that big. Also, you can do it with Eldritch Heritage
04:49:00 <Avatar> that isn't a question
04:49:58 <Mekkis> is there any information about what happens regarding Nature vs Nurture when it comes to chromatic dragons¿
04:50:10 <Avatar> can you be more specific
04:51:43 <Mekkis> is a black dragon, just hatched, inherently evil?
04:52:08 <Avatar> yeah
04:52:40 <Avatar> like their alignment is evil
04:52:47 <Avatar> that doesn't mean they are going to do evil things 100% of the time
04:52:54 <Avatar> any more than a paladin will stay on the good side 100% of the time
05:23:20 <Avatar> I just realised this wayfinder award you pointed out could give me a free 1000gp
05:23:31 <Avatar> since the penalty really doesn't apply
05:29:15 <Avatar> wait a MINUTE
05:29:23 <Avatar> it only works for characters that are good-aligned
05:29:28 <Avatar> Snickers isn't good-aligned!
05:29:30 <Avatar> you tried to trick me
05:29:57 <Mekkis> how was I supposed to know that?
05:30:04 <Avatar> she's SNICKERS!
05:30:07 <Avatar> she's a witch!
05:30:09 <Avatar> an angry witch!
05:30:10 <Mekkis> so?
05:30:22 <Mekkis> good doesn't mean nice
05:30:25 <Avatar> her party members keep abandoning her to her death
05:30:30 <Avatar> how do you think she feels
05:30:58 <Avatar> betrayed, that's what she feels
05:31:17 <Avatar> this wayfinder will definitely be going to the black market
05:31:28 <Avatar> today, the silver crusade, tomorrow, THE WORLD !
05:31:40 <Avatar> no good deed goes unpunished !!!
05:35:51 <Mekkis> I always think it's funny how you're always looking at the monetary value
05:37:25 <Avatar> I didn't look at it until just now
05:37:45 <Avatar> I wouldn't have looked at it at all except it says "anyone who sells this gets exiled out of the faction"
05:37:55 <Avatar> I mean that is tantalising
05:46:10 <Mekkis> also: UMD :)
05:50:26 <Avatar> I do have good UMD
05:50:40 <Avatar> I don't think there is another charismatic witch in the world
06:02:18 <Avatar> I don't think I'll be using skype again for voice in games
06:02:28 <Avatar> it was unbelievably easy to get a hangout working for everyone
06:07:32 <Mekkis> what's wrong with skype?
06:08:44 <Avatar> it's harder to deal with than g+
06:08:50 <Avatar> every game is using hangouts now
06:09:15 <Avatar> every game I try to run with skype always has at least two people who haven't logged in since forever and can't remember their login details and don't know how to add people
06:09:25 <Avatar> with hangouts you paste the link and it's done
06:33:33 <Mekkis> assuming everyone has a google account?
06:34:53 <Mekkis> hmm.. That is strange. Is it bad that Steam is stating that <X> is now using "You Need a Budget 4"?
06:35:38 <Mekkis> Wouldn't one consider that information sensitive?
06:41:57 <Mekkis> Heh. Again I'm discovering Aluminium before steel
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06:51:49 <Mekkis> steven, what is the earliest one can enter a prestige class these days?
06:52:14 <Avatar> it's just smart business
06:52:30 <Avatar> it's not shameful
06:57:17 <Mekkis> !item spy eyes
06:57:26 <diebot> Mekkis, SPY EYES [moderate divination] CL:9 none 15000gp, 1lb
06:57:26 <diebot> At first glance, spy eyes appear to be cat's-eye marbles. When activated, each comes to life and blinks, transforming into an eyeball. When pressed against an inanimate surface (such as a wall or article of clothing), the eyeball absorbs into it, leaving a magical sensor of the same size on the surface. Anyone holding an eye from a particular
06:57:26 <diebot> cluster of spy eyes can share the view from any other eye in the cluster as if that eye were her own, provided she is within 10 miles of that sensor. To recover a sensor, she can press a spy eye she holds from the same cluster against the one that's in sensor form to make the sensor emerge and return to marble form. A single bag of spy eyes
06:57:26 <diebot> contains five marbles (meaning that up to four may be deployed at any given time). Spy eyes in sensor form can be detected via the normal means for detecting scrying. Source: AP 63
07:08:42 <steven> usually about level 6
07:09:58 <Mekkis> I know that
07:10:18 <Mekkis> I suppose I'm asking: Is there any way to enter a prestige class before level 6
07:13:05 <steven> Not that I am aware.
07:13:24 <steven> goin out to lunch
07:19:14 <steven> cleric... level 14
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07:28:20 <Avatar> you just seem to keep levelling up when nothing is happening
07:28:26 <Avatar> weren't you level 13 this morning
07:37:39 <steven> yes... 15hr session.
07:39:25 <steven> there were no less then 5 times today that i was having problems breathing because we were laughing so hard.
07:53:29 <steven> well... get to prepare a 7th level spell.
07:59:19 <s_gmusic> if you're a race that has a spell-like ability, then you can use it to cover certain pre-requisites. the biggest two were Aasimar and Tieflings, though, so that's out.
07:59:49 <steven> well i'll do this later today, i've been up for like 40 hours with a 1hr nap in the middle.... done for today.
07:59:58 <Mekkis> limited wish
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08:01:22 <steven> im a cleric, w/ estoric magic adding Heightened Awareness, see invisibility, heroism, eyes of the void, contigency scroll
08:01:36 <steven> and ddoor.
08:02:34 <steven> alright, sleep... see ya.
08:02:40 <Mekkis> limited wish for a simulacrum of an antimagic baundersnatch
08:03:44 <Mekkis> Brock says it's okay!
08:15:52 <Avatar> you have brought up limited wish a lot lately
08:27:02 <Avatar> you can't anymore
08:27:08 <Avatar> that FAQ was reversed
08:27:17 <Avatar> there's been a cofuffle over that for weeks
08:40:58 <Mekkis> Deceased can cast it now
08:43:39 <steven> alright... cleric/savant is now level 15
08:45:39 <steven> sorry 16
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09:01:00 <Brunius> `op
09:02:36 <steven> hey brunius
09:02:48 <Brunius> don't you 'hey' me young man
09:06:42 <steven> you cannot say that to someone older then you without addin in a snarky smiley face
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09:33:01 <steven> so... should i completely retrain so i only have 1 level of cleric?
09:34:10 <steven> be a cleric 1/savant 7/something else 7
10:04:35 <steven> darn... cant do it... faq says cant retrain base classes into prestige classes.
10:05:01 <steven> though i can see why they would decide to do that.
10:49:59 <s_gmusic> really now? damn.
10:52:46 <s_gmusic> do you have a link for it? I'm not having any luck finding it on the forums
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15:44:21 <Mekkis> when does Daylight saving end?
15:44:57 <Mekkis> oh. Easter.
15:45:04 <Mekkis> That will be fun at conquest
15:45:45 <Avatar> I think it switches back the right way, so we get more sleep rather than less
15:52:45 <Mekkis> steven, what is the earliest one can enter a prestige class these days?
15:58:12 <Mekkis> !item spy eyes
15:58:21 <diebot> Mekkis, SPY EYES [moderate divination] CL:9 none 15000gp, 1lb
15:58:21 <diebot> At first glance, spy eyes appear to be cat's-eye marbles. When activated, each comes to life and blinks, transforming into an eyeball. When pressed against an inanimate surface (such as a wall or article of clothing), the eyeball absorbs into it, leaving a magical sensor of the same size on the surface. Anyone holding an eye from a particular
15:58:21 <diebot> cluster of spy eyes can share the view from any other eye in the cluster as if that eye were her own, provided she is within 10 miles of that sensor. To recover a sensor, she can press a spy eye she holds from the same cluster against the one that's in sensor form to make the sensor emerge and return to marble form. A single bag of spy eyes
15:58:21 <diebot> contains five marbles (meaning that up to four may be deployed at any given time). Spy eyes in sensor form can be detected via the normal means for detecting scrying. Source: AP 63
15:59:27 <Mekkis> yeah
15:59:44 <Mekkis> Avatar, regarding requests: Halls of Dwarven Lore trilogy
16:09:37 <steven> usually about level 6
16:10:53 <Mekkis> I know that
16:11:13 <Mekkis> I suppose I'm asking: Is there any way to enter a prestige class before level 6
16:14:00 <steven> Not that I am aware.
16:14:19 <steven> goin out to lunch
16:27:36 <Avatar> there's going to be 2 tables each of 4 slots of scions of the sky key
16:27:53 <Avatar> I don't think a trilogy will get in
16:28:13 <Avatar> we were talking about running fingerprints/fury/fate and that's incredibly unlikely
16:28:23 <Avatar> it doesn't look like fate will even run at this point
16:28:31 <Avatar> it's a big maybe
17:00:14 <s_gmusic> if you're a race that has a spell-like ability, then you can use it to cover certain pre-requisites. the biggest two were Aasimar and Tieflings, though, so that's out.
17:27:57 <Avatar> you can't anymore
17:28:03 <Avatar> that FAQ was reversed
17:28:12 <Avatar> there's been a cofuffle over that for weeks
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18:59:22 <Avatar> http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2py6j?SLA-FAQ-Clarification-Request-Arcane-Divine
18:59:31 <Avatar> there's a link in that first post
19:00:03 <Avatar> I found that by googling "sla faq site:paizo.com"
19:19:58 <Avatar> looks like I will have to finally decide what I'm going to do with my level 2 character before conquest
19:20:04 <Avatar> it's been through 3 iterations and I still have no idea
19:20:17 <Avatar> investigator seems too shit
19:20:37 <Avatar> I made him an inquisitor and an oracle and didn't like those either
19:20:45 <Avatar> there must be another ACG class worth trying
19:21:21 <Avatar> maybe pure arcanist
19:21:30 <Avatar> although I feel a bit silly doing that when I already have an exploiter wizard
19:29:27 <Avatar> I guess a skald isn't out of the question
19:29:37 <Avatar> I did kind of avoid bard by taking archoaelogist
19:31:28 <Avatar> oh jesus, maybe I should make him a gunslinger/swashbuckler
19:31:36 <Avatar> that's a pretty fucking amazing idea
19:32:47 <Avatar> his name is Valunch, so profession (cook) as a day job I think
19:49:25 <Mekkis> Avatar, I like swashbuckler, but I think it might be a little broken
19:50:08 <Avatar> good broken or bad broken
19:50:54 <s_gmusic> really now? damn.
19:50:56 <Mekkis> overpowered,
19:51:02 <Avatar> perfect
19:51:21 <Avatar> so I will top a overpowered gunsilnger with an overpowered swashbuckler
19:51:30 <Avatar> I need the 5 levels of gunslinger first
19:51:34 <Avatar> I have done it the other way around and it's not pretty
19:51:57 <Avatar> I think I will need to go musket master again, unfortunately
19:52:07 <Avatar> there's no decent gun archetypes out
19:52:13 <Avatar> apart from the 4 that came in UC
19:52:26 <Avatar> pistol would be a nice change of pace
19:53:40 <s_gmusic> do you have a link for it? I'm not having any luck finding it on the forums
19:54:13 <Avatar> oh, there's the bolt ace
19:54:17 <Avatar> except apparently that's broken isn't it
19:55:34 <Avatar> it's in character!
19:55:57 <Mekkis> What level is she now?
19:59:58 <Mekkis> She could become a Lion Blade!
20:00:15 <Mekkis> or a baroness
20:00:29 <Avatar> 10
20:00:53 <Mekkis> ?
20:00:55 <Mekkis> ah
20:01:03 <Avatar> I think tiller looks like the best one so far, but even that's dumb
20:01:09 <Mekkis> it is dumb
20:01:40 <Mekkis> get a Shining Wayfinder
20:01:42 <Mekkis> :)
20:01:51 <Avatar> holy shit, can I
20:01:58 <Avatar> where is that
20:02:13 <Mekkis> Silver crusade
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20:02:29 <Mekkis> Beacon of Good (Fame 5, 2 PP) The
20:02:29 <Mekkis> Shining Crusade gives you a shining wayfinder (see page
20:02:29 <Mekkis> 55) emblazoned with the emblem of a silver dragon. If you
20:02:29 <Mekkis> lose your shining wayfinder, you can purchase a new one
20:02:29 <Mekkis> for an additional 2 PP. Members of the Silver Crusade
20:02:30 <Mekkis> who are caught selling shining wayfinders for their own
20:02:32 <Mekkis> prof it are exiled, and must switch factions.
20:02:51 <Avatar> that's just a regular bloody wayfinder
20:03:01 <Avatar> I think I already have one with a decemvirate seal on it
20:03:11 <Mekkis> it can detect evil!
20:03:19 <Avatar> oh
20:03:27 <Mekkis> and Protection from Evil!
20:03:29 <Avatar> maybe I should see page 55
20:03:33 <Mekkis> :P
20:03:42 <Mekkis> !item shining wayfinder
20:03:44 <diebot> Mekkis, SHINING WAYFINDER [faint divination] CL:3 none 2000gp, 1lb
20:03:44 <diebot> A shining wayfinder is a polished silver compass favored by members of the Shining Crusade. In addition to the usual functions of a wayfinder (including the ability to create light), a shining wayfinder can be used to cast detect evil-when so used, its needle points not to the north but rather to the nearest source of evil within 60 feet. Once per
20:03:44 <diebot> day, a shining wayfinder can be used to cast protection from evil upon the wayfinder's bearer. A shining wayfinder functions only for a creature that is good-aligned. When held by an evil creature, the shining wayfinder's needle spins in a frantic circle. When held by any creature that is both nonevil and nongood, the needle simply hangs limply,
20:03:44 <diebot> not pointing to anything at all (not even to true north). Source: Pathfinder Society Field Guide
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20:04:13 <Avatar> that is probably the only decent award in there
20:04:25 <Avatar> unless you want to make something a class skill, I guess, but they're all terrible for spellcasters
20:04:56 <Mekkis> knowledge local isn't
20:05:24 <Avatar> yeah that one is decent
20:05:35 <Avatar> steven is the bolt ace any good
20:06:11 <Mekkis> diplomacy isn't
20:06:17 <Avatar> beacon of good completely contradicts Snickers' personality
20:06:26 <Avatar> but this is effectively a stolen boon so that works wonders
20:06:36 <Avatar> suckit s.crusade
20:06:36 <Mekkis> I think it's funny how your overpowered characters always tend to die because of bad play decisions
20:06:44 <Avatar> I'll show them
20:06:58 <Avatar> what are they gonna do, exile me from their faction? ha!
20:07:01 <Mekkis> have they got the conquest schedule up?
20:07:12 <Avatar> hardly anything's been organised
20:07:18 <Avatar> GMs are talking scenario preferences
20:07:28 <Avatar> it's unlikely to go up until about a week beforehand
20:07:44 <Mekkis> Am I able to request a scenario?
20:07:56 <Avatar> yes, we're sort of begging for requests
20:08:14 <Mekkis> Ooh
20:08:19 <Mekkis> Kortos Envoy!
20:08:27 <Avatar> yeah I think it's funny too
20:09:25 <Mekkis> Where Mammoths Dare Not Tread
20:10:47 <Avatar> the pre-reqs for sword and pistol are insane
20:11:19 <Avatar> I feel like if I want to aim for that I sort of have to go human
20:11:26 <Avatar> I wanted to make this character a half-orc
20:11:59 <Mekkis> if they want me to run The Slave Master's Mirror, say so.
20:12:40 <Avatar> someone's volunteered slave master's mirror
20:13:05 <Mekkis> let me guess who it is
20:13:12 <Mekkis> The VL from Adelaide?
20:13:51 <Avatar> who's that
20:13:54 <Avatar> callum?
20:14:32 <Mekkis> yeah
20:21:22 <Avatar> can't find it now
20:21:24 <Avatar> musket master with a musket axe might be cool
20:22:02 <Avatar> ah it's mark platt
20:26:56 <Steven1> so yesterday we did a like 9 hr session or something, that was less then 20 minutes in actual game time.
20:27:10 <Avatar> what was the other 8h40m
20:27:14 <Avatar> drinking
20:31:20 <Avatar> think I forgot to boost Buck's con at 12th level, which would've given him a shitload of extra hp for the first two parts of eyes
20:35:19 <Avatar> is there a practical way to play a gunslinger without quick clear
20:35:27 <Avatar> and without GM credit
20:36:30 <Avatar> is it possible to play a gunslinger with a broken gun for an encounter and no class levels in anything else
20:36:38 <Avatar> taking an hour to fix it every time it breaks
20:37:26 <Avatar> does mending work
20:39:37 <Avatar> tough crowd
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20:53:12 <Avatar> 7 16 15 12 10 16 after human racials
20:53:18 <Avatar> this is a bit of a risky build
20:53:28 <Avatar> has anyone taken mysterious stranger all the way and succeeded
20:54:51 <Brunius> define 'all the way'
20:56:36 <Avatar> to level 12
20:58:11 <Avatar> +5 hp now or +7 hp from levels 5-12?
21:22:48 <Avatar> apparently slashing grace is only for slashing weapons (useless) and fencing grace is only for rapiers (not all piercing weapons)
21:22:54 <Avatar> so a musket axe will not work
21:25:56 <Avatar> except, er, a battleaxe is a slashing weapon
21:26:04 <Avatar> a one-handed slashing weapon
21:26:13 <Avatar> does a musket axe make it a two handed weapon
21:42:17 <Avatar> mysterious stranger replaces gun training.
21:42:23 <Avatar> okay well there goes that plan
21:57:07 <Avatar> I'd forgotten how gruelling it is to create a character
22:30:50 <Mekkis> !capacity 9
22:30:51 <diebot> Mekkis, 30 if medium, 22.5 if small.
22:37:54 <Avatar> http://www.pfrpg.com.au/viewchar.php5?char=1055
22:38:03 <Avatar> almost done I think
22:47:06 <Steven1> level 13
22:48:41 <Mekkis> level 13?
22:51:36 <Steven1> on my cleric.
22:51:49 <Steven1> hammered out the primal magic.
22:52:11 <Steven1> we had a blast once the GM hadnt been out drinking before the game.
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