// #d&d — 2015-03-18
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00:15:08 <Mekkis> Avatar, please don't dump strength like that
00:15:28 <Mekkis> you will regret it
00:43:38 <s_gmusic> So... Who's awake and wants to chime in on a Thing for PFS?
00:47:19 <s_gmusic> The Thing is: Arcanist's "School Understanding" Exploit: Does the last line mean "I dip 1 level into Wizard and choose a school. With 11 Levels of Arcanist, do I have the School powers and abilities
00:47:31 <s_gmusic> *of a 12th level wizard?
00:47:47 <s_gmusic> [friggin' hitting Enter instead of shift]
02:39:46 <Avatar> s_g: without looking, it sounds like that is definitely definitely not the case
02:40:18 <Avatar> I could be wrong, but that is ringing the absurdity bell pretty loudly
02:48:52 <s_gmusic> yeah. here's a copy/paste of the line from D20pfsrd: " If the arcanist already has an arcane school (or gains one later), taking this exploit instead allows her arcanist levels to stack with the levels of the class that granted the arcane school when determining the powers and abilities of her arcane school."
02:49:22 <s_gmusic> and the entire exploit:
02:49:25 <s_gmusic> "School Understanding: The arcanist can select one arcane school from any of the schools available to a character with the arcane school wizard class feature, but does not have to select any opposition schools. The arcanist gains one ability of that arcane school as though she were a 1st-level wizard, using her Charisma modifier in place of her Intelligence modifier for this ability. The ability
02:49:25 <s_gmusic> must be one gained at 1st level and is limited in its use per day to 3 + the arcanist's Charisma modifier. As a swift action, the arcanist can expend 1 point from her arcane reservoir to bolster her understanding, allowing her to treat her arcanist level as her wizard level for the purpose of using this ability for a number of rounds equal to her Charisma modifier (minimum 1). During this time,
02:49:25 <s_gmusic> she also gains use of the other ability gained at 1st level for her selected school. She does not gain any other abilities when using this exploit in this way, such as those gained at 8th level. If the arcanist already has an arcane school (or gains one later), taking this exploit instead allows her arcanist levels to stack with the levels of the class that granted the arcane school when determining
02:49:25 <s_gmusic> the powers and abilities of her arcane school."
02:52:02 <s_gmusic> the guy is trying to argue it works together (a Wiz 1/Arcanist 11 has the abilites and powers of a 12th lvl Wizard), but a few of us argue that it doesn't, it would be too OP.
02:53:19 <s_gmusic> It doesn't help that he's trying to do something stupid where it's a Wiz 1/Sorc 1/Arcanist 10 and have the School powers/abilites and Bloodline Abilities/Powers of an 11 Wizard and 11 Sorc.
03:00:36 <Avatar> that does sound like it does that
03:00:51 <Avatar> I guess when you think about it, that means you get, what, 1 extra bloodline ability?
03:01:06 <Avatar> like a bloodline will have a 1st level power and like an 8th level power
03:01:13 <Avatar> so that exploit lets you get the 8th level one as well
03:01:20 <Avatar> or two 8th level powers in that guy's case
03:01:27 <Avatar> and he's burning a level or two to do it
03:01:44 <Avatar> the way you worded it made it sound like you become a full on 12th level wizard and get spells etc
03:02:46 <s_gmusic> no, not spells, just the bloodline ability/wizard power
03:03:16 <Avatar> yeah sounds right
03:03:29 <s_gmusic> even he said the character would only have the spell list of a 1st lvl wizard or sorcerer.
03:03:29 <Avatar> the point is he has to burn a whole level to do it
03:03:38 <Avatar> that means losing out on higher level arcanist spells
03:09:37 <s_gmusic> I know. this guy is bad for making characters like that. he'll level dip across multiple classes for some "broken" idea he came up with, but the character can only do that one thing (and not often enough to be really useful).
03:10:23 <s_gmusic> hell, I tried to come up with some min-maxed (Class) 2/(Class) 10 builds that were fun on paper, then after a few edits, I was better off going with a pure class instead.
03:12:20 <Avatar> it did sound completely absurd at first
04:00:18 <Avatar> http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2py6j?SLA-FAQ-Clarification-Request-Arcane-Divine
04:00:26 <Avatar> there's a link in that first post
04:00:58 <Avatar> I found that by googling "sla faq site:paizo.com"
04:14:31 <Mekkis> the bloodline power, or the bloodline arcana?
04:20:53 <Avatar> looks like I will have to finally decide what I'm going to do with my level 2 character before conquest
04:20:59 <Avatar> it's been through 3 iterations and I still have no idea
04:21:12 <Avatar> investigator seems too shit
04:21:32 <Avatar> I made him an inquisitor and an oracle and didn't like those either
04:21:40 <Avatar> there must be another ACG class worth trying
04:22:16 <Avatar> maybe pure arcanist
04:22:25 <Avatar> although I feel a bit silly doing that when I already have an exploiter wizard
04:30:22 <Avatar> I guess a skald isn't out of the question
04:30:33 <Avatar> I did kind of avoid bard by taking archoaelogist
04:32:24 <Avatar> oh jesus, maybe I should make him a gunslinger/swashbuckler
04:32:31 <Avatar> that's a pretty fucking amazing idea
04:32:54 <Avatar> it'd have to be power
04:33:40 <Mekkis> that's fine
04:33:42 <Avatar> his name is Valunch, so profession (cook) as a day job I think
04:34:17 <Mekkis> Bloodline powers are generally not that big. Also, you can do it with Eldritch Heritage
04:50:21 <Mekkis> Avatar, I like swashbuckler, but I think it might be a little broken
04:51:03 <Avatar> good broken or bad broken
04:51:51 <Mekkis> overpowered,
04:51:57 <Avatar> perfect
04:52:16 <Avatar> so I will top a overpowered gunsilnger with an overpowered swashbuckler
04:52:25 <Avatar> I need the 5 levels of gunslinger first
04:52:29 <Avatar> I have done it the other way around and it's not pretty
04:52:52 <Avatar> I think I will need to go musket master again, unfortunately
04:53:02 <Avatar> there's no decent gun archetypes out
04:53:08 <Avatar> apart from the 4 that came in UC
04:53:21 <Avatar> pistol would be a nice change of pace
04:55:09 <Avatar> oh, there's the bolt ace
04:55:12 <Avatar> except apparently that's broken isn't it
05:06:30 <Avatar> steven is the bolt ace any good
05:07:32 <Mekkis> I think it's funny how your overpowered characters always tend to die because of bad play decisions
05:09:22 <Avatar> yeah I think it's funny too
05:11:42 <Avatar> the pre-reqs for sword and pistol are insane
05:12:15 <Avatar> I feel like if I want to aim for that I sort of have to go human
05:12:21 <Avatar> I wanted to make this character a half-orc
05:22:19 <Avatar> musket master with a musket axe might be cool
05:23:20 <Avatar> I just realised this wayfinder award you pointed out could give me a free 1000gp
05:23:31 <Avatar> since the penalty really doesn't apply
05:27:51 <Steven1> so yesterday we did a like 9 hr session or something, that was less then 20 minutes in actual game time.
05:28:05 <Avatar> what was the other 8h40m
05:28:09 <Avatar> drinking
05:29:15 <Avatar> wait a MINUTE
05:29:23 <Avatar> it only works for characters that are good-aligned
05:29:28 <Avatar> Snickers isn't good-aligned!
05:29:30 <Avatar> you tried to trick me
05:29:57 <Mekkis> how was I supposed to know that?
05:30:04 <Avatar> she's SNICKERS!
05:30:07 <Avatar> she's a witch!
05:30:09 <Avatar> an angry witch!
05:30:10 <Mekkis> so?
05:30:22 <Mekkis> good doesn't mean nice
05:30:25 <Avatar> her party members keep abandoning her to her death
05:30:30 <Avatar> how do you think she feels
05:30:58 <Avatar> betrayed, that's what she feels
05:31:17 <Avatar> this wayfinder will definitely be going to the black market
05:31:28 <Avatar> today, the silver crusade, tomorrow, THE WORLD !
05:31:40 <Avatar> no good deed goes unpunished !!!
05:32:15 <Avatar> think I forgot to boost Buck's con at 12th level, which would've given him a shitload of extra hp for the first two parts of eyes
05:35:51 <Mekkis> I always think it's funny how you're always looking at the monetary value
05:36:14 <Avatar> is there a practical way to play a gunslinger without quick clear
05:36:22 <Avatar> and without GM credit
05:37:25 <Avatar> I didn't look at it until just now
05:37:25 <Avatar> is it possible to play a gunslinger with a broken gun for an encounter and no class levels in anything else
05:37:33 <Avatar> taking an hour to fix it every time it breaks
05:37:45 <Avatar> I wouldn't have looked at it at all except it says "anyone who sells this gets exiled out of the faction"
05:37:55 <Avatar> I mean that is tantalising
05:38:22 <Avatar> does mending work
05:40:32 <Avatar> tough crowd
05:46:10 <Mekkis> also: UMD :)
05:50:26 <Avatar> I do have good UMD
05:50:40 <Avatar> I don't think there is another charismatic witch in the world
05:54:07 <Avatar> 7 16 15 12 10 16 after human racials
05:54:13 <Avatar> this is a bit of a risky build
05:54:23 <Avatar> has anyone taken mysterious stranger all the way and succeeded
05:55:47 <Brunius> define 'all the way'
05:57:31 <Avatar> to level 12
05:59:06 <Avatar> +5 hp now or +7 hp from levels 5-12?
06:02:18 <Avatar> I don't think I'll be using skype again for voice in games
06:02:28 <Avatar> it was unbelievably easy to get a hangout working for everyone
06:07:32 <Mekkis> what's wrong with skype?
06:08:44 <Avatar> it's harder to deal with than g+
06:08:50 <Avatar> every game is using hangouts now
06:09:15 <Avatar> every game I try to run with skype always has at least two people who haven't logged in since forever and can't remember their login details and don't know how to add people
06:09:25 <Avatar> with hangouts you paste the link and it's done
06:23:43 <Avatar> apparently slashing grace is only for slashing weapons (useless) and fencing grace is only for rapiers (not all piercing weapons)
06:23:49 <Avatar> so a musket axe will not work
06:26:51 <Avatar> except, er, a battleaxe is a slashing weapon
06:26:59 <Avatar> a one-handed slashing weapon
06:27:09 <Avatar> does a musket axe make it a two handed weapon
06:33:33 <Mekkis> assuming everyone has a google account?
06:35:38 <Mekkis> Wouldn't one consider that information sensitive?
06:41:57 <Mekkis> Heh. Again I'm discovering Aluminium before steel
06:43:12 <Avatar> mysterious stranger replaces gun training.
06:43:19 <Avatar> okay well there goes that plan
06:52:14 <Avatar> it's just smart business
06:52:30 <Avatar> it's not shameful
06:58:02 <Avatar> I'd forgotten how gruelling it is to create a character
07:19:14 <steven> cleric... level 14
07:28:20 <Avatar> you just seem to keep levelling up when nothing is happening
07:28:26 <Avatar> weren't you level 13 this morning
07:31:46 <Mekkis> !capacity 9
07:31:47 <diebot> Mekkis, 30 if medium, 22.5 if small.
07:37:39 <steven> yes... 15hr session.
07:38:50 <Avatar> http://www.pfrpg.com.au/viewchar.php5?char=1055
07:38:59 <Avatar> almost done I think
07:39:25 <steven> there were no less then 5 times today that i was having problems breathing because we were laughing so hard.
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07:53:29 <steven> well... get to prepare a 7th level spell.
07:55:58 <Mekkis> Morz-away, yep there is one :)
07:59:49 <steven> well i'll do this later today, i've been up for like 40 hours with a 1hr nap in the middle.... done for today.
07:59:58 <Mekkis> limited wish
08:01:22 <steven> im a cleric, w/ estoric magic adding Heightened Awareness, see invisibility, heroism, eyes of the void, contigency scroll
08:01:36 <steven> and ddoor.
08:02:34 <steven> alright, sleep... see ya.
08:02:40 <Mekkis> limited wish for a simulacrum of an antimagic baundersnatch
08:03:44 <Mekkis> Brock says it's okay!
08:15:52 <Avatar> you have brought up limited wish a lot lately
08:40:58 <Mekkis> Deceased can cast it now
08:43:39 <steven> alright... cleric/savant is now level 15
08:45:39 <steven> sorry 16
09:01:00 <Brunius> `op
09:02:36 <steven> hey brunius
09:02:48 <Brunius> don't you 'hey' me young man
09:06:42 <steven> you cannot say that to someone older then you without addin in a snarky smiley face
09:16:04 <Mekkis> Avatar, please don't dump strength like that
09:16:24 <Mekkis> you will regret it
09:32:24 * Morzorak enters and looks around
09:33:01 <steven> so... should i completely retrain so i only have 1 level of cleric?
09:34:10 <steven> be a cleric 1/savant 7/something else 7
09:34:11 <Morzorak> Hello.
09:34:34 <Morzorak> I realize it is very early here. Anyone awake?
09:36:38 <Morzorak> I seek knowledge on this Combat Assistant (CA)
10:04:35 <steven> darn... cant do it... faq says cant retrain base classes into prestige classes.
10:05:01 <steven> though i can see why they would decide to do that.
10:31:18 * Morzorak checks the bodies for breathing
10:45:16 * Morz checks the bodies again
10:46:22 * Morzorak was bumped off his router ... having to reconnect everything
11:22:30 * Morzorak grabs a rock and makes himself comfortable. "Guess this might take a while."
12:27:11 * Morzorak casts Conjurer's Toolbelt " 1 minute hour glass "
12:47:03 <mib_hvepck> #Help
12:47:43 <mib_hvepck> north
14:35:11 * Morzorak stretches his legs and looks for a no smoking sign
15:44:21 <Mekkis> when does Daylight saving end?
15:44:57 <Mekkis> oh. Easter.
15:45:04 <Mekkis> That will be fun at conquest
15:45:45 <Avatar> I think it switches back the right way, so we get more sleep rather than less
15:52:45 <Mekkis> steven, what is the earliest one can enter a prestige class these days?
15:58:12 <Mekkis> !item spy eyes
15:58:21 <diebot> Mekkis, SPY EYES [moderate divination] CL:9 none 15000gp, 1lb
15:58:21 <diebot> At first glance, spy eyes appear to be cat's-eye marbles. When activated, each comes to life and blinks, transforming into an eyeball. When pressed against an inanimate surface (such as a wall or article of clothing), the eyeball absorbs into it, leaving a magical sensor of the same size on the surface. Anyone holding an eye from a particular
15:58:21 <diebot> cluster of spy eyes can share the view from any other eye in the cluster as if that eye were her own, provided she is within 10 miles of that sensor. To recover a sensor, she can press a spy eye she holds from the same cluster against the one that's in sensor form to make the sensor emerge and return to marble form. A single bag of spy eyes
15:58:21 <diebot> contains five marbles (meaning that up to four may be deployed at any given time). Spy eyes in sensor form can be detected via the normal means for detecting scrying. Source: AP 63
15:59:27 <Mekkis> yeah
15:59:44 <Mekkis> Avatar, regarding requests: Halls of Dwarven Lore trilogy
16:09:37 <steven> usually about level 6
16:10:53 <Mekkis> I know that
16:11:13 <Mekkis> I suppose I'm asking: Is there any way to enter a prestige class before level 6
16:14:00 <steven> Not that I am aware.
16:14:19 <steven> goin out to lunch
16:27:36 <Avatar> there's going to be 2 tables each of 4 slots of scions of the sky key
16:27:53 <Avatar> I don't think a trilogy will get in
16:28:13 <Avatar> we were talking about running fingerprints/fury/fate and that's incredibly unlikely
16:28:23 <Avatar> it doesn't look like fate will even run at this point
16:28:31 <Avatar> it's a big maybe
17:00:14 <s_gmusic> if you're a race that has a spell-like ability, then you can use it to cover certain pre-requisites. the biggest two were Aasimar and Tieflings, though, so that's out.
17:27:57 <Avatar> you can't anymore
17:28:03 <Avatar> that FAQ was reversed
17:28:12 <Avatar> there's been a cofuffle over that for weeks
19:50:54 <s_gmusic> really now? damn.
19:53:40 <s_gmusic> do you have a link for it? I'm not having any luck finding it on the forums
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