// #d&d — 2014-09-27
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00:44:39 <Steven> it is answered in the spell text
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01:27:51 <Mekkis> !item rusting grasp
01:27:54 <diebot> Mekkis, DANCING WASP [moderate conjuration] CL:7 none 12392gp, 3lb
01:27:55 <diebot> This +1 kusarigama (Ultimate Combat 132) makes a shrill whistling sound whenever it is used in combat. Once per day as a standard action, the wielder of Dancing Wasp can whirl the weapon above his head as a full-round action to summon a giant wasp (Pathfinder RPG Bestiary 275). The wasp appears in the air above the wielder's head and follows the
01:27:55 <diebot> wielder's mental commands to the best of its ability as long as the user continues to twirl the weapon (requiring a standard action each round), to a maximum of 5 rounds, after which the wasp vanishes. Source: AP 49
01:28:13 <Mekkis> !item rusting powder
01:28:14 <diebot> Mekkis, JUMPING CINDER [faint evocation] CL:3 none 300gp, 1lb
01:28:14 <diebot> This piece of sooty coal has a tiny bit of flint embedded in it. The bearer of a jumping cinder can, as a standard action, order it to burst into flames and bounce around in random directions. Each round, the jumping cinder leaps into a randomly selected adjacent square. If a creature is in the square into which the jumping cinder lands, that
01:28:15 <diebot> creature takes 1d6 points of fire damage if it fails a DC 12 Reflex save. After 1 minute, the jumping cinder burns out, leaving behind a puff of smoke and a tiny smear of ash. Some goblin tribes use jumping cinders to randomly select volunteers for undesirable duties from a large crowd of goblins-anyone who takes fire damage from the jumping cinder
01:28:15 <diebot> but is not killed by the fire has to do the undesirable task. Source: Goblins Of Golarion
02:54:50 <Avatar> pretty important SKR post about how rules work: http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2ln8z?Can-a-Life-Oracle-with-Channeling-take#30
04:25:15 <Mekkis> yay for playing a season 6 with an unprepared GM
04:36:55 <Avatar> not sure restoration belongs on that list
04:56:33 <s_gmusic> *sigh* so... many... cards
05:02:25 <Mekkis> Avatar, that is very well said
05:03:53 <Mekkis> I think the real issue there is that SKR makes some assumptions, including the fact that there's a GM at the table to adjudicate rules disputes
05:07:25 <Damalon01> seeyall tomorrow
05:25:10 <Brunius> Thiw_Week_at_Paizo:_Underscores
05:30:01 <Avatar> ???
05:31:03 <Brunius> check your email
05:31:46 <Avatar> nothing
05:32:15 <Brunius> http://i.imgur.com/j90zvtX.png
05:32:19 <Brunius> That's what I got
05:32:46 <Mekkis> Avatar, why doesn't it belong on the list?
05:32:46 <Avatar> the only marketing material I get is scenarios
05:32:57 <Avatar> why is it essential
05:42:14 <Mekkis> because when someone's suffering a negative level, or a shitton of ability drain, it's a big strain on their effectiveness.
05:44:28 <Avatar> has it ever happened outside of bonekeep
05:45:19 <Mekkis> yes
05:47:38 <Avatar> is that true
05:47:52 <Avatar> sounds like a fib
05:49:54 <Brunius> there are plenty of ways you can get a negative level or ability drain
05:50:45 <Avatar> name 3
05:50:57 <Brunius> wraiths will drain levels, won't they?
05:51:00 <Brunius> raise dead
05:51:16 <Avatar> lesser restoration for raise dead
05:51:25 <Brunius> uuuhhhh
05:51:30 <Avatar> oh wait, no
05:51:54 <Avatar> with raise dead you do it at the end of a scenario though
05:51:58 <Avatar> usually with prestige
05:52:05 <Brunius> usually, yeah
05:52:34 <Brunius> sorry, checking the bestiary, wraiths do con drain, it's spectres that do level drain
05:52:41 <Brunius> or negative levels, rather
06:00:19 <Avatar> sorry, the 100gp version is only temporary negative levels
06:02:02 <Mekkis> it's the temporary ones that are annoying.
06:02:35 <Avatar> how much does a scroll add up to
06:23:54 <Mekkis> 800gp
06:24:03 <Mekkis> or 1700gp for the good one
06:24:24 <Mekkis> It's interesting comparing the first few paragraphs of the core rulebook with the same of the 5e PHB
06:29:45 <Steven> 4 level 2 characters
06:29:54 <Steven> vs 3 Trolls.... CR7
06:30:17 <Steven> fuck you random encounter table.
06:32:42 <Steven> we did 89 damage to them before all of us were down though
06:33:38 <Avatar> the spellcasting service for restoration is like 1125gp isn't it
06:44:05 <Brunius> How ofter are you gonna be able to go off and find a caster of the right level to cast it
06:44:10 <Brunius> often*
06:44:22 <Mekkis> Gnomes can be found in some of the
06:44:22 <Mekkis> most unlikely of places, outposts among ruins
06:44:22 <Mekkis> or floating rocks that they found interesting for
06:44:22 <Mekkis> one reason or another. Their tolerances for
06:44:22 <Mekkis> dangerous radiation leaks, substandard living
06:44:23 <Mekkis> conditions, and environmental pollution are
06:44:25 <Mekkis> somewhat staggering.
06:51:34 <Mekkis> Steven, kingmaker?
06:52:01 <Steven> yup
06:52:16 <Steven> that encounter is just fuckin stupi
06:52:21 <Steven> stupid
06:53:04 <Steven> cause a cr7 encounter should totally be on the random encounters table that lvl 1s should be able to encounter.
06:53:06 <Mekkis> could be worse
06:53:17 <Mekkis> We kept getting Will o the wisps
06:53:39 <Steven> i dont think will o wisps would bother us to much... we are 3 melee characters 1 arcane caster.
06:54:58 <Steven> but fuck man... trolls are just stupid hard when you can only surpress regeneration for 1 round and the sorc doesnt have precise shot and only has a +1 modifier.
06:55:00 <Mekkis> can you see invisibility?
06:55:20 <Steven> yes.
06:55:34 <Mekkis> how at first level?
06:55:40 <Steven> we have 1 variant aasimar.
06:56:52 <Avatar> so it shouldn't go on the list then
06:57:32 <Mekkis> ah
06:58:03 <Steven> 1 will o wisp wouldnt really bother us horribly much.
06:58:27 <Steven> just like 1 troll wouldnt bother us too horribly.
06:58:47 <Steven> 2 would have been a challenge, but as soon as the 3rd one came out.
06:59:09 <Steven> every round someone dropped.
06:59:51 <Steven> thankfully our GM stopped and had us taken back to their cave where they started prepping to cook us... so we got a second shot at the combat.
07:00:40 <Steven> still dropped my character.
07:02:18 <Steven> i'm considering taking combat expertise since i am constantly up at the front of the group.
07:02:36 <Steven> would take me to a 21 ac!
07:03:09 <Mekkis> didn't you die?
07:03:12 <Steven> and if i cast shield 24 ac
07:03:29 <Steven> no, they managed to figure out i wasnt dead when i was at -10/12
07:04:06 <Steven> so got me stable and then threw me in the back of the cart and took me back to town.... good news... our wand was there waiting for us when we got back.
07:05:12 <Steven> might just pick dodge.
07:05:25 <Steven> since at this level its the same thing as combat expertise.
07:05:47 <Mekkis> hn
07:05:48 <Steven> full buff of 26ac...
07:06:14 <Steven> attack defensively w/ 3 ranks of acrobatics 29ac.
07:07:12 <Steven> we did get a pretty sweet Mithril Chain shirt out of the trolls.
07:07:36 <Steven> my character is totes rockin that.
07:10:27 <Steven> so attacking defensively spell combat to get shield up... I'd have 10% spell failure a 28ac, and a +0 to hit.... seems pretty horrible.
07:13:38 <Steven> 3rd level... +4 dodge bonus.... mmm mmm good.
07:15:34 <Mekkis> I didn't think that the APs really needed that level of power
07:16:08 <Steven> we have no divine PC.
07:16:50 <Steven> so every fight we have our damage carries over to the next day except that which we heal by the night of rest.
07:17:01 <Steven> because we didnt have a want to smack people with.
07:17:09 <Steven> wand even
07:18:42 <Mekkis> still
07:19:25 <Steven> we've had horrible luck with our random encounters... and we've managed to run into every difficult combat... we walked straight to the temple with the grizzly bear.
07:19:51 <Steven> then down to the bridge with the 8 bandits
07:20:06 <Steven> and then random encounter of 3 trolls.
07:20:56 <Steven> got into a fight with 3 boars... who charged us and crit me so i went down first round.
07:21:29 <Steven> just pretty horrible really.
07:21:42 <Steven> and as usual... i'm not the gm so my dice are cold as fuck.
07:21:50 <Mekkis> I played a dragonrider at the start of kingmaker
07:22:13 <Mekkis> The only reason it exists is for deaf oracles to be playable. I don't think that deaf oracles really have that much of a place in PFS - they're the ideal choice for the player who wants to powergame their character, and couple it with an excuse to not roleplay.
07:22:21 <Mekkis> drow dragonrider riding a gold dragon
07:22:23 <Steven> i'm a LE Kensai Bladebound Magus.
07:23:01 <Avatar> it does wreck it a bit
07:23:02 <Steven> high int
07:23:25 <Steven> good dex and low con and str.
07:23:41 <Steven> but i'm the best armored of the group.
07:24:26 <Mekkis> because they are extremely powerful. You can cast silence, nullify pretty much every opposing spellcaster, and still spam spells with impunity.
07:25:35 <Steven> my damage isnt horrible though, 1d4+4 with a kukri.
07:27:35 <Mekkis> There's a reason people call Silence lesser Antimagic Field
07:30:42 <Mekkis> So, I've been comparing the forewords of various rulebooks. Interesting stuff
07:31:19 <Steven> they explain a lot of stuff in the forwards dont they?
07:31:51 <Mekkis> yeah.
07:32:42 <Mekkis> pretty much what the creators think about their product, and their market
07:32:45 <Avatar> ???
07:32:51 <Mekkis> the AD&D one is pretty good
07:33:09 <Brunius> don't make me go get the AD&D book to actually check it
07:33:25 <Avatar> yeah send it out
07:33:27 <Steven> I wish the champions of corruption was out on PDF now.
07:33:41 <Avatar> oh wait I actually have it
07:33:49 <Brunius> hehe
07:33:54 <Brunius> that first sentence is pretty good
07:35:01 <Steven> you have the champions of corruption pdf avatar? did they release it early for the subscription holders?
07:35:32 <Avatar> mate I am not a subscriber
07:35:39 <Avatar> I have an old AD&D book
07:35:41 <Mekkis> http://nl.ti4200.info/~mekkis/ADnD_foreword.pdf
07:35:58 <Brunius> https://www.dropbox.com/s/tchjyjv5mbkjbq3/2014-09-26%2021.24.48.jpg?dl=0
07:36:08 <Avatar> the one I have is different to that
07:36:28 <Brunius> it might be second ed
07:36:36 <Mekkis> Avatar, now you HAVE to show us a photo!
07:36:41 <Brunius> The PHB beside me is 1st ed
07:36:49 <Brunius> the 2nd ed PHB is around somewhere, I just don't know where
07:37:21 <Avatar> I was going to upload it, but it's 142mb
07:37:22 <Avatar> sec
07:37:28 <Steven> they're dumb?
07:37:45 <Mekkis> to be fair, the pathfinder core rulebook essentially says "this is 3.5e".
07:37:56 <Brunius> heh
07:39:15 <Mekkis> I thought this one was good
07:39:27 <Mekkis> http://nl.ti4200.info/~mekkis/DtD_foreword.pdf
07:41:24 <Mekkis> But to be fair, the 5e one is pretty good
07:41:42 <Steven> HOLY FUCKIN BALLS THESE ARE AWESOME!
07:41:59 <Avatar> http://imgur.com/a/yC90q#0
07:42:12 <Steven> http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/damnation-feats
07:44:17 <Steven> im so going to take these on my evil assassin character in the kingmaker game so long as my gm lets me.
07:44:26 <Mekkis> I hope they won't be PFS legal
07:45:17 <Steven> there is no way to make them legal really... they make your character evil.
07:46:11 <Mekkis> good
07:46:26 <Steven> but it makes so much sense for me to take them.
07:46:32 <Avatar> I've heard of an ioun stone that makes your character evil
07:46:39 <Avatar> and then you just use atonement and keep the ioun stone and its powers
07:46:47 <Avatar> doesn't make sense, but it's PFS legal !
07:47:51 <Steven> which atonement wouldnt really work for that if you kept the stone because you're not repentant for the action... its been shown that you'd have to get rid of the stone, but was 'hand waved' for PFS.
07:48:15 <Avatar> powah 2 da ppl
07:48:27 <Steven> these feats damn your soul and shift your alignment towards evil.
07:48:53 <Steven> i'd say its very unlikely they would be allowed.
07:49:06 <Steven> since every feat you take past the 1st makes you more and more evil.
07:49:39 <Steven> really i just want the 'Mask of Virtue' Feat
07:49:47 <Steven> so that people cant discern my alignnment.
07:50:31 <Avatar> you could just atone and then keep the powers
07:50:36 <Steven> but i would gladly sink 4 feats into this....
07:51:03 <Mekkis> Strictly speaking, when Mytiazair took the atonement, it wasn't an atonement for his actions: it was an atonement in order to effect an alignment change.
07:51:29 <Avatar> "I'm sorry my alignment changed"
07:51:32 <Avatar> ?
07:51:54 <Mekkis> !spell atonement
07:52:17 <Mekkis> Wo ist Die Bot?
07:53:00 <Steven> i dunno bout you guys, but i'd totally rule that if you pick these feats and then were like 'oh i dont want to be evil /atonement' i'd demand the person retrain out of the feat or they are not really repentant for their actions that caused the alignment shift.
07:53:03 <Mekkis> !spell atonement
07:53:05 <diebot> Mekkis, ATONEMENT abjuration ([]) cleric/oracle 5, druid 5, inquisitor 5 1 hour Range: touch living creature touched Comp: V, S, M (burning incense), F (a set of prayer beads or other prayer device worth at least 500 gp), DF Duration: instantaneous Save: none SR:yesSource: PFRPG Core
07:53:06 <diebot> The description is too long to send over IRC. View http://nl.ti4200.info/vpsirc/spells/atonement.html
07:53:36 <Mekkis> Redemption or Temptation: You may cast this spell upon a creature of an opposing alignment in order to offer it a chance to change its alignment to match yours. The prospective subject must be present for the entire casting process. Upon completion of the spell, the subject freely chooses whether it retains its original alignment or acquiesces to your offer and changes to your alignment. No duress, compulsion, or magical influence can force the subject
07:53:36 <Mekkis> to take advantage of the opportunity offered if it is unwilling to abandon its old alignment.
07:55:10 <Avatar> This spell removes the burden of misdeeds from the subject. The creature seeking atonement must be truly repentant and desirous of setting right its misdeeds.
07:55:51 <Avatar> it's not "thank you for your offer but I'll CONTINUE TO USE MY EVIL POWERS"
07:59:51 <Mekkis> Mytiazair did go through a pretty big character change due to that episode, you know...
08:03:42 <Steven> back.
08:03:54 <Mekkis> it represents a time when he gave in to temptation.
08:05:19 <Mekkis> But he was brought back by the will of Desna.
08:05:37 <Mekkis> He's realising that he has been a bit of a hypocrit.
08:12:50 <Mekkis> only a little though
08:13:05 <Brunius> http://blog.roll20.net/post/98396632715/were-hiring
08:16:43 <Mekkis> sorry mate, I like my job
08:20:24 <Mekkis> it is functionally very similar
08:23:34 <Mekkis> Where are you uniing?
08:23:46 <Mekkis> if you plan to uni
08:25:57 <Mekkis> Avatar, any chance you could get http://nl.ti4200.info/~mekkis/cupDesign2.svg printed on a stein at unicon
08:30:50 <Steven> i seriously hope my GM says yes i can take those feats.
08:37:38 <Steven> tweeked my character for kingmaker tomorrow
08:37:49 <Steven> so if i take all of them I'll have immunity to fire and acid and resist energy 10 cold, +4 to Intimidate and can do it as a swift action, +2 CL, DC, and -1SL to metamagic applied to evil spells, detect as a different alignment and know the name of someone who is trying to detect my alignment.
08:37:54 <Steven> Kensei bladebound magus.
08:38:20 <Steven> seems really powerful... downside is of course it will take a miracle to bring me back to life.
08:38:32 <Steven> went dex based instead of str based.
08:45:39 <Mekkis> looks like our group for Reign of Winter will consist of three gnomish druids
08:46:37 <Steven> that seems pretty crazy
08:46:47 <Steven> at least you'll get along with the fey
08:47:52 <Mekkis> I suppose so
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09:03:58 <Mekkis> so don't die :S
09:07:57 <Steven> well if i make it to level 9 i wont have to worry about dying.
09:08:15 <Steven> unless someone randomly hits me with a nasty crit...
09:08:57 <Steven> most of my tactics at that point in the game will be sneaking in, studying my target and then making a death attack vs them.
09:14:04 <Steven> my entire plan is silent vampiric touch+death attack for 1d4+4d6+14 damage DC 17 fort save or die instantly if they are awake. if they are asleep the same thing only it will be 2d4+7d6+28 damage coup attempt.
09:15:03 <Steven> i mean i dont really need the vampiric touch damage.... but hell... if you can eek out 6d6 in false life... no reason not to ya know.
09:18:59 <Steven> maybe just pick one up every other feat.
09:19:24 <Steven> so level 15 when i get them all... that seems like a better progression really
09:31:00 <Mekkis> So. Just seriously considered suicide in this CRPG.
09:41:56 <Steven> which game?
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09:50:05 <Mekkis> I think the druid is an underrepresented class
09:51:01 <Brunius> I agree
09:51:22 <Mekkis> Planescape: torment
09:54:10 <Steven> i like me a druid.
09:59:23 <Mekkis> how does a Dagger of Doubling interact with an Inquisitor's Bane?
09:59:30 <Mekkis> !item Dagger of Doubling
09:59:38 <diebot> Mekkis, DAGGER OF DOUBLING [faint conjuration] CL:5 none 10302gp, 1lb
09:59:38 <diebot> A wielder with a free hand can split this +1 dagger into two identical +1 daggers as a swift action, or a free action if she has the Quick Draw feat. The doubled daggers can't be split again. If either dagger is thrown while doubled, the hurled dagger vanishes after resolving the attack and the remaining dagger can be split again. If the wielder
09:59:39 <diebot> drops a doubled dagger or it otherwise leaves her person, it vanishes. If both daggers leave the wielder's hands at the same time, determine randomly which dagger vanishes. Spells or effects placed on a dagger of doubling don't duplicate when the dagger is split. Any active effects on a dagger end when it vanishes. Destroying one of the doubled
09:59:39 <diebot> daggers just causes the duplicate to disappear, but any damage to a single dagger of doubling remains on both daggers when it doubles. Source: Ultimate Equipment
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10:40:52 <Mekkis> Hmm.. How long do you think Ecidon will last?
10:41:03 <Mekkis> more than one scenario?
10:41:38 <Mekkis> his melee attack is at -9 :P
10:47:29 <Steven> meh..... i think you coud do better
10:49:11 <Steven> oracle w/ burned for -4, non proficiency -4, str score of 7 for -2,
10:49:15 <Steven> thats -10 right there.
10:49:39 <Steven> what else ya got going on... add that to it... go go!
10:54:16 <Steven> it is answered in the spell text
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11:57:53 <Mekkis> Avatar, On your list of items, add the Scroll of Restoration (with 100gp component). It will get people out of a bind. In Bonekeep three, we went through four of them
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12:40:13 <Damalon01> ohai
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14:20:06 <s_gmusic> Ray of Enfeeblement can nuke your STR down to 1 for a -5 modifier, giving you -13.
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17:19:01 <Mekkis> Steven, sure, but I'm level 2.
17:19:12 <Mekkis> the BAB brings it up to -9
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18:46:54 <s_gmusic> *sigh* so... many... cards
18:57:47 <Damalon01> seeyall tomorrow
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19:15:33 <Brunius> Thiw_Week_at_Paizo:_Underscores
19:20:23 <Avatar> ???
19:21:26 <Brunius> check your email
19:22:08 <Avatar> nothing
19:22:37 <Brunius> http://i.imgur.com/j90zvtX.png
19:22:41 <Brunius> That's what I got
19:23:07 <Mekkis> Avatar, why doesn't it belong on the list?
19:23:09 <Avatar> the only marketing material I get is scenarios
19:23:19 <Avatar> why is it essential
19:32:36 <Mekkis> because when someone's suffering a negative level, or a shitton of ability drain, it's a big strain on their effectiveness.
19:34:50 <Avatar> has it ever happened outside of bonekeep
19:35:41 <Mekkis> yes
19:38:00 <Avatar> is that true
19:38:14 <Avatar> sounds like a fib
19:40:16 <Brunius> there are plenty of ways you can get a negative level or ability drain
19:41:07 <Avatar> name 3
19:41:20 <Brunius> wraiths will drain levels, won't they?
19:41:23 <Brunius> raise dead
19:41:39 <Avatar> lesser restoration for raise dead
19:41:48 <Brunius> uuuhhhh
19:41:53 <Avatar> oh wait, no
19:42:17 <Avatar> with raise dead you do it at the end of a scenario though
19:42:20 <Avatar> usually with prestige
19:42:28 <Brunius> usually, yeah
19:42:56 <Brunius> sorry, checking the bestiary, wraiths do con drain, it's spectres that do level drain
19:43:03 <Brunius> or negative levels, rather
19:50:41 <Avatar> sorry, the 100gp version is only temporary negative levels
19:52:23 <Mekkis> it's the temporary ones that are annoying.
19:52:57 <Avatar> how much does a scroll add up to
20:14:16 <Mekkis> 800gp
20:14:25 <Mekkis> or 1700gp for the good one
22:07:31 <Mekkis> Avatar, On your list of items, add the Scroll of Restoration (with 100gp component). It will get people out of a bind. In Bonekeep three, we went through four of them
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22:25:51 <Mekkis> Brunius, in most games?
22:26:03 <Mekkis> Clerics and oracles and people with high UMD aren't that rare
22:49:51 <Damalon01> ohai
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