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02:43 Topic for #d&d is: PFS: TBA || WotW: TBA || All topic times are AEST (UTC+10:00); set your timezone on the site to see your local times in the Schedule! | Pathfinder Online http://www.pfrpg.com.au
02:43 Topic for #d&d set by Avatar at Tue Sep  2 08:00:38 2014
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12:49 <Steven> suuuuuuuup
20:38 <DynamoD> hey
21:23 <Steven> what up dyna
23:49 <DynamoD> scrapped the shaman idea and rolled a barbarian
24:07 <DynamoD> was getting too confused and rolled something easy
24:16 <Steven> barbarian pretty solid choice for a first time character
25:26 <DynamoD> thought so
26:06 <DynamoD> trying to figure out gear and how it affects ac
29:01 <Steven> you're a barbarian.... health and damage... thats pretty much all you need.
31:38 <DynamoD> great sword + hide armour
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36:26 <DynamoD> what does dmg(s) and dmg(m) mean?
36:36 <DynamoD> nm figured it out
42:51 <Steven> small and medium
42:55 <DynamoD> hello
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29:49 <cattboi> sorry to turn this into a gay room
29:55 <cattboi> but thanks guys
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37:25 <Steven> does anyone know the feat that allows you to mount a creature your same size?
41:10 <Avatar> I have seen it
41:23 <Avatar> I was looking into it when I was doing my cleric
41:25 <Steven> i cant remember the name
41:33 <Avatar> is it an ACG feat?
41:34 <Steven> or the source book... its annoying me.
41:45 <Steven> dont think so, i checked that book.
43:03 <Steven> maybe inner sea combat...
44:47 <Avatar> undersized mount, from the ACG
46:11 <Avatar> king where are you located
46:31 <Steven> holy balls... how did i miss that?
46:35 <Avatar> haha
46:38 <Avatar> it's aptly named
46:51 <Steven> totes
46:56 <HazardousKing> New england
46:59 <HazardousKing> NSW
47:06 <HazardousKing> it's in the north west
47:10 <Avatar> you play in person as well?
47:23 <HazardousKing> I have been trying to find a group
47:27 <Steven> awwwwwwwwww yeah.... human riding scorpion is a go
47:29 <Avatar> are you joking
47:36 <Avatar> are you in sydney
47:49 <HazardousKing> but in this town groups become exclusive which makes it hard to find one
48:02 <Avatar> oh wait, new england wasn't a joke?
48:04 <HazardousKing> armidale would be more accurate
48:18 <Avatar> there is actually a place called new england in australia
54:40 <Avatar> <DynamoD> im thinking shaman with the scarab faction
54:41 <Avatar> lol?
55:18 <Avatar> you told me you haven't played d&d/pathfinder for eons and you pick a class in a book called the Advanced Class guide
56:53 <Brunius> Man it really is bucketing
57:41 <Avatar> not raining here
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11:16 <Steven> its starting to get cold up here.
11:33 <HazardousKing> yeah I thought there would be
11:43 <Avatar> starting to get warm here
12:59 <Steven> supposed to get around 13 tonight.
13:52 <Steven> then dropping down to single digits over the next week.
14:50 <Brunius> I've woken up the past couple of days and my phone has said it's -1
15:44 <Steven> should be bout that within the next month constantly.
16:14 <Steven> had 3 cords of wood delivered at my dads house.  gonna have to chop that up.
18:48 <Steven> kick ass... just talked to my GM.
19:09 <Steven> he OK'd my plan.
19:59 <Steven> so School Savant level dipping sorc and picking up the Bloodline development
20:10 <Steven> with a 3rd party bloodline
20:12 <Steven> http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/sorcerer/bloodlines/bloodlines-from-3rd-party-publishers/kobold-press---bloodlines/green
22:45 <Avatar> I will be getting back to running games soonish, unicon prep has taken all my attention lately
22:58 <Avatar> there is a slot zero for the special this weekend, I think
30:22 <Avatar> obviously not PFS
30:35 <Steven> its not, its 3rd party
31:10 <s_gmusic> I r happeh!
31:38 <s_gmusic> got my PS4 and a copy of Destiny tonight.
31:42 <Steven> cool
31:52 <s_gmusic> both brand new, only paid $200 cash.
32:55 <Steven> nice
33:40 <s_gmusic> got to trade in old xbox 360, 3DS, and handful of games and put it towards the PS4. Had $298 in credit when I did, so just $137 to pay off the console, then the $65 to pay off Destiny. Even managed to be the first one in the door at midnight release. :3
33:47 <s_gmusic> This. Has been a good night.
33:56 <Avatar> dump it
35:33 <s_gmusic> huh?
37:13 <Steven> i get to play destiny whenever i go down tot he shop to play with walter as soon as he buys it.
37:55 <s_gmusic> cool
44:09 <Avatar> anyone here for a rules question
44:25 <Avatar> king
46:42 <Avatar> Steven
46:52 <Avatar> what do you think of this ring of eloquence thing
46:54 <Steven> sup
47:04 <Steven> oh... that... i dunno its up to leadership 
47:06 <Avatar> which languages do you think are OK to go in it
47:54 <Avatar> what's your opinion
48:09 <Steven> I am with holding it.
48:25 <Avatar> you will tell me now
48:45 <Steven> 'Merica has the right to remain silent.
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49:21 <Avatar> okay so basically you think you should be able to put anything on it
49:23 <HazardousKing> hey
49:29 <Avatar> I get why you cant' say that
50:00 <Steven> i did not say that.
50:07 <Avatar> s'all good
50:09 <Avatar> message received
50:13 <Steven> kk
50:21 <Avatar> I just can't understand the logic of that silly thread
50:22 <Steven> if that is what you choose to believe i cannot stop you.
50:38 <Avatar> if belafon hadn't mentioned staff of the master, it wouldn't be in dispute 
50:56 <Avatar> obviously the staff of the master has issues
51:01 <Steven> most threads that i've seen in the last two months have had a level of stupidity I'm staying away from.
51:20 <Avatar> the worst part is nobody can dispute his logic, because to a degree he's right
51:30 <Avatar> why does that dumb item have that text in there if there's no other variations
51:41 <Avatar> where it obviously needs other variations printed for it
52:15 <Avatar> I actually found a third item that had similar wording but I was smart enough not to post it
53:27 <Steven> well... if they print the other staffs then we see every wizard walking around with one.
53:42 <Avatar> what? no
53:45 <clownintown> really?
53:56 <Avatar> depends what spells are on it 
53:59 <Steven> and i dont really have a problem with that.
54:04 <Steven> because... really who the hell cares.
54:05 <HazardousKing> sorry, for some reason my sounds weren't playing when I got a message
54:33 <Avatar> it's a moot point, they don't actually exist
54:34 <Steven> oh look i can fire 3 more fireballs off... or i can cast invisibility 3 more times per day.
54:56 <Avatar> of course you can't make up a staff with whatever spells you like on it based on level and charges and school, just because of some stupid wording
55:10 <Avatar> GMs who would allow that are few and far between
55:24 <Avatar> we're just talking languages
55:26 <Steven> i just think the cool part of that staff is the ability to add metamagic to spells, and the actual spells on the staff are pretty much never used.
55:45 <Avatar> I dunno, I didn't read any more of the fine print
56:54 <Steven> seriously though... how often has the success/failure of a scenario come down to whether someone could speak druidic?
57:34 <Steven> when they print a scenario that does, then i will care about the ring.
58:16 <Avatar> no apologies necessary, that is how IRC works
58:29 <Avatar> you respond to messages whenever you can, not immediately
58:46 <Avatar> they would never ever allow druidic on it
59:09 <Avatar> we're talking about basically 4 linguistics points on an item
59:14 <Avatar> it's ridiculous
59:30 <Avatar> I don't know if you can wear 2 of them and get 8 languages
59:39 <Avatar> you probably can I guess
01:43 <Steven> who knows mang.
01:55 <Steven> i dont because i havent really looked at the ring.
04:45 <Steven> hmmmm
04:59 <Steven> 15/14/17/13/12/7
05:07 <Steven> as a hunter.
06:47 <Steven> scorpion mount w/ a str of 15... gonna have to be a skinny human.
26:50 <Avatar> there are a lot of threads about people not understanding when you are entitled to a rebuild
27:38 <Steven> luckily i havent had to deal with any of that at my shop
28:12 <Avatar> it's straightforward though
28:18 <Avatar> the playtest rebuilds are even more laughable
28:28 <Avatar> they are basically designed for a rebuild, and the answer is in the PFS guide
28:58 <Steven> yeah but why put in effort when i can go on the forums and cry about it and someone will give me the answer
29:20 <Avatar> they seem to prefer debating it
29:29 <Avatar> a VL gave them the wrong answer
29:37 <Avatar> andreas somebody
29:54 <Steven> dont know em
29:55 <Avatar> and didn't come back to correct his/her mistake
30:03 <Avatar> I don't know if that is a guy's or a girl's name
31:15 <Steven> neither do i.
31:34 <Steven> luckily i have the privilege of not having to care.
32:13 <Avatar> mmm not sure that's right
32:34 <Steven> i dont have to care until it impacts me.
32:45 <Steven> or someone asks for my help
33:15 <Avatar> ok I ask your help in clarifying it for the denizens out there that got confused because another VL confused them
34:10 <Steven> I trust in your ability to determine what is allowed man... you're a smart guy.
34:28 <Avatar> yeah but I don't know if they are going to listen to me or a VL
34:28 <Steven> plus i already spent my hour reading the boards today
34:36 <Avatar> an hour
34:40 <Avatar> mate I spent all day looking at the boards
35:02 <Steven> yeah, but i had important things to do... like sleep, watering plants, walking my dog.
35:04 <Avatar> I read the light/darkness post, I don't think an everburning torch puts out darkness
35:36 <Brunius> where's the post?
35:54 <Avatar> which one
36:00 <Brunius> light/darkness
37:05 <Avatar> http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2qpgw&page=2?A-Practical-Guide-to-Light-and-Darkness
37:11 <Avatar> er
37:26 <Avatar> http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2qpgw&page=1?A-Practical-Guide-to-Light-and-Darkness
37:54 <Avatar> it's the bit in part 1 about counter/dispels and the bit in part 3 about the everburning torch
39:08 <Steven> awww man do i have to go back to the forums?
39:26 <Avatar> well the everlasting torch was your recommendation
39:30 <Avatar> and it sounds like it was wrong
39:51 <Avatar> everburning*
41:55 <Steven> That might be right.
42:24 <Steven> so everburning torch is out, bring in heightened continual flame. 
42:41 <Avatar> not exactly an easy item to pick up
43:15 <Steven> just gotta find a cleric with heighten pell
43:47 <Avatar> very rare
43:57 <Steven> my cleric has it.
44:08 <Avatar> so does mine
44:11 <Avatar> still rare
44:27 <Steven> i find darkness really isnt a big deal, its darkness run incorrectly
45:03 <Avatar> what's the difference
45:21 <Avatar> we're a bunch of experienced GMs here and we don't know how to run darkness correctly
45:22 <Steven> if a person runs darkness correctly its not a huge deal
45:46 <Avatar> I am not even sure if paizo knows how to run darkness correctly
45:59 <Steven> my favorite is when a person casts darkness and centers it in the middle of the PCs
46:03 <Steven> and its like... no...
46:35 <Avatar> do they not know what darkness is
46:46 <Steven> i've had it happen a couple times.
46:54 <Avatar> or just assume everyone is a dwarf?
47:02 <Avatar> I guess they could almost safely assume everyone is an aasimar
47:06 <Steven> or you know people spamming darkness because its an at will...
47:06 <Avatar> or a tiefling
47:12 <Steven> like thats not fun... its just a dick move
47:44 <Steven> i've done it before, but that was back when i was inexperienced and foolish
59:44 <Avatar> source?
59:54 <Mekkis> See how Finger of Death has the Death subtype?
59:57 <Mekkis> !spell finger of death
59:58 <diebot> Mekkis, FINGER OF DEATH necromancy ([death]) druid 8, sorcerer/wizard 7 1 standard action Range: close (25 ft. + 5 ft./2 levels) one creature Comp: V, S Duration: instantaneous Save: Fortitude partial SR:yesSource: PFRPG Core
59:58 <diebot> This spell instantly delivers 10 points of damage per caster level. If the target's Fortitude saving throw succeeds, it instead takes 3d6 points of damage + 1 point per caster level. The subject might die from damage even if it succeeds on its saving throw.
00:04 <Avatar> yeah
00:10 <Mekkis> specifically stating that it's a death effect
00:27 <Avatar> it doesn't specifically state it's a death effect
00:34 <Avatar> it has the death subtype
00:51 <Steven> it has the death descriptor, so its automatically a death effect.
00:57 <Steven> well thats cool they posted the rest of the chronicle sheets for mummy's mask
01:10 <Avatar> is there something which clearly defines what a death effect is
01:12 <Steven> I've had a coup ruled both ways in that it is a death effect and that it is not a death effect.
01:37 <Steven> expect table variation really.
01:56 <Mekkis> the table ruling was "it's at 60HP with the Dead condition"
02:13 <Steven> but still waiting for those warden of the reborn forge sheets
02:32 <Avatar> I think it makes more sense to say a save or die is a death effect
02:43 <Steven> then thats what it was in that instance mekkis.
02:56 <Steven> my ruling would have been they are at -con
03:14 <Mekkis> it was an animal companion Bodyguard
03:34 <Mekkis> (doesn't die until -CON-owner's level)
03:58 <Steven> at my table it would be a -con and dead
04:10 <Mekkis> okay
04:31 <Steven> but they say its a 60hp with the dead condition.
04:39 <Steven> table variation.
04:43 <Mekkis> okay
04:57 <Steven> its how it goes.
05:30 <Avatar> In case it matters, a dead character, no matter how he died, has hit points equal to or less than his negative Constitution score.
05:55 <Mekkis> Avatar, you have a citation?
06:11 <Avatar> it's in the glossary under death attacks
06:38 <Mekkis> oh, cool
06:40 <Mekkis> Thanks
06:44 <Avatar> there you go, steven was right
07:05 <Steven> hey... its nice to know i can make a logical decision from the hip
08:08 <Mekkis> the weird thing was the Bodyguard thing. But -Con and dead makes sense
09:01 <Steven> alright.... so while my medium sized human is mounted on his medium sized scorpion and we both threaten a target we get +4 to attacks.
10:08 <Avatar> there was a thread about it that SKR participated in, didn't clarify to anyone's liking, and he locked it
10:36 <Avatar> "a death attack is anything classified as a death attack"
10:38 <Avatar> ummm.
11:34 <Avatar> that could rule out spells with the death descriptor just as easily as it rules out a save or die
19:15 <Steven> hmmmm name for my new character
27:54 <Avatar> what's the character
28:17 <Steven> Verminous Hunter.  Human riding a medium scorpion for the lulz
28:25 <Avatar> Scorpio
28:38 * Steven slaps Avatar.
28:48 <Avatar> it is an ingenious name
28:49 * Steven slowly shakes his head.
28:58 <Avatar> or do you want to name the scorpion then
28:59 <Avatar> that*
29:19 <Steven> scorpion name is skizzak
29:34 <Avatar> how about Sagittarius
29:39 <Avatar> Sagittarius and Scorpio
16:11 <Steven> hmmmm... i can sink 2 points into int right now or wait till 4th to get feats for my scorpion
16:33 <Steven> yay connection reupped
40:28 <Steven> oh crap basket
40:37 <Steven> i forgot to save my changes to my arcanist.
42:15 <Avatar> ops
05:40 <Mekkis> !item Staff Of Hunting
12:29 <Mekkis> !item Staff Of Hunting
12:34 <diebot> Mekkis, STAFF OF HUNTING [strong varies] CL:13 none 51000gp, 5lb
12:34 <diebot> This length of aged ivory is carved with numerous hunting scenes which seem to animate and tell a story when the staff is rotated. It allows the use of the following spells: • Acute sensesUM (1 charge) • Bard's escapeAPG (4 charges) • Locate creature (2 charges) • Unwilling shieldAPG (3 charges) Source: Dragonslayer's Handbook
40:39 <Steven> hmmm.... so do i want second level spells or do i want to get my combo off the ground next level.
43:18 <Steven> since i have to rebuild this character.... cause i was dumb and apparently didnt save it.
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43:36 <Mekkis> !spell enthral
43:43 <diebot> Mekkis, ENTHRALL enchantment (charm[language-dependent, mind-affecting, sonic]) bard 2, cleric/oracle 2, witch 2, inquisitor 2 1 round Range: medium (100 ft. + 10 ft./level) any number of creatures Comp: V, S Duration: 1 hour or less Save: Will negates; see text SR:yesSource: PFRPG Core
43:43 <diebot> The description is too long to send over IRC. View http://nl.ti4200.info/vpsirc/spells/enthrall.html
52:02 <DynamoD> hello
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19:08 <Mekkis> hey hey
31:52 <Avatar> DynamoD: where did you find out about shaman
02:57 <DynamoD> ?
04:16 <Avatar> where did you find about shaman
04:29 <Avatar> you said yesterday you had settled on shaman, but it's not in the core rulebook
04:39 <DynamoD> found a pdf file called D&D3e_-_Pathfinder Shaman
04:46 <Avatar> oh 
04:50 <DynamoD> and also in the d20pfrps
04:52 <DynamoD> website
05:01 <Avatar> only certain books and options are allowed
05:07 <DynamoD> ah
05:21 <DynamoD> amd steven seemed sure they are okay
05:22 <Avatar> that shaman you found probably isn't even the actual shaman
05:29 <Avatar> yeah you were talking about two different shamans
05:47 <Avatar> http://paizo.com/pathfinderSociety/about/additionalResources
05:56 <DynamoD> i was building a sheet entirely from the d20pfrps website
05:59 <Avatar> do a ctrl-f on that page and look up 'shaman'
06:08 <Avatar> or the name of that book you found
06:19 <Avatar> there's not going to be a book called 'pathfinder shaman'
06:46 <Avatar> you need to own any books you use
06:53 <Avatar> apart from the core rulebook I think
07:12 <Avatar> use this rather than d20pfsrd: http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/
07:33 <Avatar> d20pfsrd has more books, but it's official and isn't always accurate
08:00 <Avatar> if you get a lot of customisation in your first character, you'll want to be prepared to spend a lot of money
09:14 <Avatar> if you are prepared to buy more books to get more options, choose from advanced player's guide, ultimate combat, ultimate magic, ultimate equipment, advanced class guide
09:18 <DynamoD> well in all fairness i was thinking of starting with an easy cookie cutter character to get my feet wet
09:27 <Avatar> yeah stick to the core rulebook then
09:41 <Avatar> a shaman is one of the more difficult ones out there
09:49 <DynamoD> was getting totally confused
10:03 <Avatar> druid is probably the closest class, and even that's pretty tough
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16:12 <Mekkis> Isn't there a feat that gives you druidic?
16:58 <Mekkis> !feat Druidic Decoder
17:00 <diebot> Mekkis, DUCK AND COVER [Teamwork] Your allies assist you in avoiding certain attacks.
17:00 <diebot> Benefit:  Whenever you are adjacent to an ally who also has this feat, and both of you are required to make a Reflex saving throw against a spell or effect, you may take the result of your die roll or that of your ally (your modifiers still apply to the roll, regardless of which result you take). If you take your ally's result, you are knocked
17:00 <diebot> prone (or staggered on your next turn, if you are already prone or cannot be knocked prone). In addition, you receive a +2 cover bonus to your AC against ranged attacks as long as your ally is wielding a shield. Source: APG
17:15 <Avatar> sounds made-up
17:37 <Mekkis> , Druidic Decoder [General]Prereq: Linguistics 1 rank, cannot be a druid. You have a natural understanding of the Druidic language.
17:37 <Mekkis> <diebot> Benefit: You gain a +5 bonus on Linguistics checks made to decipher writings in the Druidic language. If you have 10 or more ranks in Linguistics, add Druidic to the list of bonus languages available to you. Source: Faiths & Philosophies
17:38 <Avatar> if there's a feat that gives you druidic, druidic is no longer secret at all
17:54 <Avatar> is that a real book
18:21 <Mekkis> I think so
19:15 <Mekkis> Steven, Is there any way to avoid rolling initiative? Like by taking 10, or something?
19:26 <Mekkis> (other than being a 20th level diviner)
19:45 <Mekkis> (or other capstone stuff)
20:27 <Steven> not that i remember off the top of my head
21:04 <DynamoD> well time to start over again :P
21:22 <DynamoD> well atleast im a tad more informed now
21:36 <Mekkis> would you allow a PC to take 1 on initiative?
21:50 <Avatar> what character sheet are you using?
22:02 <Steven> they could delay i guess.
22:12 <Avatar> yeah that's what delaying is for
22:44 <DynamoD> i found a pdf one that i can fill in the fields
22:48 <Avatar> if you have some ability that says "when you get a 1 on initiative, your super power activates", you're in dreamland
22:52 <DynamoD> very well done
22:55 <Avatar> that link I gave you yesterday explained how to start from scratch: http://pathfindersocietyonline.com/gettingstarted/online-player/
23:03 <Avatar> click on the first steps link on that page as well
23:18 <Mekkis> nothing like that. I'm trying to make a character who never rolls any dice
23:37 <Avatar> it's really not something you want to skim through, and it's super easy to follow
25:36 <Avatar> an impossible task
25:47 <Mekkis> how so?
25:51 <DynamoD> i totally understand the 20 point buy
25:58 <Mekkis> I've got it down pat for everything except initiative
26:12 <Steven> saves?
26:18 <Mekkis> voluntarily fail them
26:19 <DynamoD> my characther sheet has a calculator built in
26:28 <Avatar> even the additional resources link is on that page, it would have stopped you building a non-legal shaman early :P
26:35 <DynamoD> lol
26:40 <Steven> suppose so if you dont like equipment
26:54 <Mekkis> meh. Shit happens
27:21 <DynamoD> wait it doesn't my bad
27:50 <Avatar> do as much as you can of the whole sheet manually so you learn the game
28:04 <Avatar> it's not that hard as long as you have someone around to ask questions
28:07 <Avatar> we like questions
29:01 <Avatar> you're going to voluntarily fail saves?
29:44 <Avatar> ok I gotta run
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31:20 <Avatar`> 18:29] <Avatar> you're going to voluntarily fail saves?
31:20 <Avatar`> [18:29] <Avatar> what about save or die
31:20 <Avatar`> [18:29] <Avatar> "dems da breaks" ?
31:20 <Avatar`> [18:29] <Avatar> I mean it seems like you already hate this character
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42:39 <Mekkis> Avatar, yes, I intend to voluntarily fail save or die effects
43:19 <Avatar> dems da breaks
43:24 <Mekkis> yep
43:36 <Avatar> this doesn't sound like a very fun character
43:37 <Mekkis> I don't expect him to survive to that sort of level
45:06 <Mekkis> Steven, rules question: if I had 80hp, and someone did 20 damage to me on a coup de grace, and I failed the fort save, how many HP do I have?
45:55 <Mekkis> Feel free to answer too, Avatar 
46:00 <Avatar> doesn't that just kill you
46:11 <Avatar> I can't remember the coup de gracè rules
46:25 <Steven> you are dead.
47:06 <Avatar> yeah
47:21 <Avatar> make the fort save or you're dead
47:27 <Avatar> if you fail regardless of the DC, kerblammo
47:41 <Mekkis> Sure
47:50 <Mekkis> But what happens with Breath of Life?
48:03 <Steven> I guess if you get BoL at a table i'd rule you're at -con
48:04 <Avatar> one round to revive you
48:16 <Avatar> yeah -con
48:24 <Avatar> oh wait
48:27 <Avatar> BoL doesn't work
48:27 <Mekkis> Steven, this came up at a table I was on.
48:29 <Avatar> it's a death attack
48:38 <Steven> i dunno the rules on that since i never coup
48:51 <Avatar> !spell breath of life
48:54 <diebot> Avatar, BREATH OF LIFE conjuration (healing[]) cleric/oracle 5 1 standard action Range: touch creature touched Comp: V, S Duration: instantaneous Save: Will negates (harmless) or Will half, see text SR:yes (harmless) or yes, see textSource: PFRPG Core
48:54 <diebot> This spell cures 5d8 points of damage + 1 point per caster level (maximum +25). Unlike other spells that heal damage, breath of life can bring recently slain creatures back to life. If cast upon a creature that has died within 1 round, apply the healing from this spell to the creature. If the healed creature's hit point total is at a negative
48:54 <diebot> amount less than its Constitution score, it comes back to life and stabilizes at its new hit point total. If the creature's hit point total is at a negative amount equal to or greater than its Constitution score, the creature remains dead. Creatures brought back to life through breath of life gain a temporary negative level that lasts for 1 day.
48:54 <diebot> Creatures slain by death effects cannot be saved by breath of life. Like cure spells, breath of life deals damage to undead creatures rather than curing them, and cannot bring them back to life.
49:06 <Mekkis> The problem was that the creature in question would NOT be dead at -con....
49:09 <Avatar> so that's why that line is there
49:18 <Mekkis> Coup de grace isn't a death effect
49:24 <Avatar> really
49:29 <Avatar> a save or die isn't a death effect
49:32 <Mekkis> nope
49:46 <Avatar> pretty sure it is
49:52 <Avatar> unless you have something to say otherwise
50:00 <Mekkis> phantasmal killer isn't a death effect
50:03 <Steven> well whatever their dead at con i would rule they would be at negative that number.
50:12 <Avatar> !spell phantasmal killer
50:12 <diebot> Avatar, PHANTASMAL KILLER illusion (phantasm[fear, mind-affecting]) sorcerer/wizard 4, witch 4, magus 4 1 standard action Range: medium (100 ft. + 10 ft./level) one living creature Comp: V, S Duration: instantaneous Save: Will disbelief, then Fortitude partial; see text SR:yesSource: PFRPG Core
50:13 <diebot> You create a phantasmal image of the most fearsome creature imaginable to the subject simply by forming the fears of the subject's subconscious mind into something that its conscious mind can visualize: this most horrible beast. Only the spell's subject can see the phantasmal killer. You see only a vague shape. The target first gets a Will save to
50:13 <diebot> recognize the image as unreal. If that save fails, the phantasm touches the subject, and the subject must succeed on a Fortitude save or die from fear. Even if the Fortitude save is successful, the subject takes 3d6 points of damage. If the subject of a phantasmal killer attack succeeds in disbelieving and possesses telepathy or is wearing a helm
50:13 <diebot> of telepathy, the beast can be turned upon you. You must then disbelieve it or become subject to its deadly fear attack.
50:13 <Steven> they're
50:37 <Avatar> source?
50:46 <Mekkis> See how Finger of Death has the Death subtype?
50:49 <Mekkis> !spell finger of death
50:50 <diebot> Mekkis, FINGER OF DEATH necromancy ([death]) druid 8, sorcerer/wizard 7 1 standard action Range: close (25 ft. + 5 ft./2 levels) one creature Comp: V, S Duration: instantaneous Save: Fortitude partial SR:yesSource: PFRPG Core
50:50 <diebot> This spell instantly delivers 10 points of damage per caster level. If the target's Fortitude saving throw succeeds, it instead takes 3d6 points of damage + 1 point per caster level. The subject might die from damage even if it succeeds on its saving throw.
50:56 <Avatar> yeah
51:02 <Mekkis> specifically stating that it's a death effect
51:19 <Avatar> it doesn't specifically state it's a death effect
51:29 <Avatar> it has the death subtype
51:43 <Steven> it has the death descriptor, so its automatically a death effect.
52:03 <Avatar> is there something which clearly defines what a death effect is
52:04 <Steven> I've had a coup ruled both ways in that it is a death effect and that it is not a death effect.
52:29 <Steven> expect table variation really.
52:48 <Mekkis> the table ruling was "it's at 60HP with the Dead condition"
53:24 <Avatar> I think it makes more sense to say a save or die is a death effect
53:35 <Steven> then thats what it was in that instance mekkis.
53:48 <Steven> my ruling would have been they are at -con
54:06 <Mekkis> it was an animal companion Bodyguard
54:26 <Mekkis> (doesn't die until -CON-owner's level)
54:50 <Steven> at my table it would be a -con and dead
55:01 <Mekkis> okay
55:23 <Steven> but they say its a 60hp with the dead condition.
55:32 <Steven> table variation.
55:34 <Mekkis> okay
55:49 <Steven> its how it goes.
56:22 <Avatar> In case it matters, a dead character, no matter how he died, has hit points equal to or less than his negative Constitution score.
56:47 <Mekkis> Avatar, you have a citation?
57:03 <Avatar> it's in the glossary under death attacks
57:30 <Mekkis> oh, cool
57:32 <Mekkis> Thanks
57:36 <Avatar> there you go, steven was right
57:57 <Steven> hey... its nice to know i can make a logical decision from the hip
59:00 <Mekkis> the weird thing was the Bodyguard thing. But -Con and dead makes sense
39:23 <Mekkis> is there any way that allows you to take 10 on initiative?
52:43 <Mekkis> !spell enthral
52:50 <diebot> Mekkis, ENTHRALL enchantment (charm[language-dependent, mind-affecting, sonic]) bard 2, cleric/oracle 2, witch 2, inquisitor 2 1 round Range: medium (100 ft. + 10 ft./level) any number of creatures Comp: V, S Duration: 1 hour or less Save: Will negates; see text SR:yesSource: PFRPG Core
52:51 <diebot> The description is too long to send over IRC. View http://nl.ti4200.info/vpsirc/spells/enthrall.html
54:35 <Steven> cool cool
55:06 <DynamoD> im thinking shaman with the scarab faction
03:34 <DynamoD> okay so whats next?
29:27 <Steven> sorry was fiddling with dinner
33:37 <DynamoD> lol so am i
34:02 <DynamoD> im looking for a prefilled character sheet but cant find one
34:31 <DynamoD> i want to create my own but want to use a prefilled so i can make sure im taking the right path
41:27 <Steven> well the great part about pfs is that you are allowed to do a rebuild before you play your first game at level 2
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26:24 <DynamoD> damn the core rulebook is massice
26:47 <Mekkis> Brunius, you around?
26:54 <Brunius> ja
27:05 <Steven> yup yup
27:19 <Steven> but well worth the purchase, specially if you get the PDF.
27:28 <Mekkis> I'm considering running WotW this Saturday from Auckland International Airport. Would you be able to make it?
27:33 <DynamoD> i got the pdf
28:05 <Steven> yeah, the majority of the books i own are pdfs.
28:21 <DynamoD> diving into it cause the character creating ones are uber vague
28:36 <DynamoD> loving the shaman class after i read about them
29:18 <Steven> they are a decent choice.
29:28 <DynamoD> so i get the principle of equal abilities but i can adjust the values
29:52 <DynamoD> as long as the total equals 75?
29:55 <Avatar> can you make it to auckland
30:00 <DynamoD> im talking about stats
30:08 <Brunius> not to auckland
30:09 <DynamoD> ie str/con/cha etc etc
30:11 <Steven> you mean the ability scores.
30:24 <Steven> PFS uses a 20pt buy. 
30:37 <Steven> http://webpages.charter.net/tedsarah/Pathfinder/utilities/pointBuyCalc.htm
30:59 <Steven> thats what i use so i dont have to do math.... plus it makes it easier to tinker with the scores
32:10 <DynamoD> im assuming charisma and wisom are my stats of choice on this class
32:16 <DynamoD> wisdom
32:27 <Brunius> yeah, I can probably make saturday
32:28 <Steven> pretty much yes
32:35 <DynamoD> with some points in intelligence due to my faction choice
33:02 <Steven> primary class stats are wisdom and then charisma and then the more you can put into con the better
33:30 <Mekkis> If I can make it, it will be around noon AEST
34:28 <DynamoD> is there any race bonus for shamans or is it prefrence?
35:18 <DynamoD> not going for orc just for the reason not to scare spirits unneccasarily
35:52 <Steven> i dont have my book infront of me at the momment
38:44 <DynamoD> STR: 9 DEX: 9 CON: 13 INT: 12 WIS: 16 CHA: 15
39:33 <Mekkis> Anyone going to Psycon?
39:44 <DynamoD> maybe drop more str for dex. dont want him to be a walking klutz
39:46 <Steven> oh oh oh
39:49 <Steven> i'm not.
40:07 <Mekkis> Steven, you should, you 'orrible VO
40:25 <Avatar> what is psycon
40:49 <Mekkis> Sydney Con, first weekend of October
40:58 <Steven>  race?
41:12 <Avatar> that's the same time unicon is on
41:13 <DynamoD> leaning towards half-elf
41:47 <Steven> sorry i've no desire to go to spider world... plus my characters wouldnt be appreciated... they are way to OP compared to what i hear bout from down there.
41:52 <Steven> thats a 15 point buy
42:07 <DynamoD> hmmm okay
42:31 <DynamoD> what about human?
42:37 <DynamoD> same?
43:03 <Mekkis> Steven, you think AU's bad, you should check out NZ..
43:11 <Mekkis> The animals don't kill you, the ground does.
43:21 <DynamoD> STR: 9 DEX: 10 CON: 13 INT: 11 WIS: 15 CHA: 14
43:27 <DynamoD> if half-elf
44:00 <Avatar> did you hear my kangaroo story
44:11 <Steven> I dont spend time on volcanos either
44:25 <DynamoD> screw it going helf-elf
45:43 <DynamoD> gnome looks more ideal though
46:33 <DynamoD> screw it going helf-elf
46:36 <Steven> never been to yellowstone because its a super volcano.
46:36 <Mekkis> The one where it was devoured by a dropbear?
46:56 <Mekkis> http://nl.ti4200.info/~mekkis/Rotorua_at_night.JPG
47:03 <Mekkis> that's where I'm at the moment
47:57 <Steven> i'm in my room watching Criminal Minds
49:47 <Steven> favored class bonus for shaman half elf
49:57 <Steven> is kinda meh
50:52 <DynamoD> first character there will be bumps along the way :P
51:00 <Steven> you get a spell from from the cleric list that isnt on the shaman list already
52:24 <DynamoD> is that the bonus?
52:29 <Steven> yeah
52:32 <Steven> its pretty weak really
53:07 <Steven> it would be much better if it was any spell from the shaman list is added to your spell list.
53:18 <DynamoD> well im going with my gut. and like you said i can reroll?
53:54 <Steven> yup yup
54:25 <DynamoD> kinda building backstory in my head atm
54:30 <Steven> you can reroll anytime before you play your first game at second level
54:36 <DynamoD> so sticking with halfelf
54:58 <DynamoD> so traits is next?
55:05 <Steven> yup
55:11 <DynamoD> lol scrolling down the core handbook
56:24 <DynamoD> hmm this is an old core book. doesnt have shamans in it
56:28 <DynamoD> 2009
56:45 <Steven> shaman is from the Advanced Class guide
57:54 <Steven> it is a book that was released bout 3 weeks ago
01:17 <DynamoD> doesnt look like i have it
01:44 <DynamoD> i have a D&D3E - shaman sheet
04:10 <DynamoD> so im seeing 35 skills
06:26 <DynamoD> do i pick x amount of them or do i get all of them and how well im at them depends on my stats?
08:37 <Steven> http://www.d20pfsrd.com/
09:32 <DynamoD> sorry for bombarding you with questions
09:37 <Steven> i dont mind.
10:13 <Steven> this is what i do.
12:58 <DynamoD> hmmm some of the class skills are dex based
14:15 <DynamoD> well its fly and ride
14:24 <DynamoD> wasn't planning on doing both
14:27 <DynamoD> so im good
15:00 <DynamoD> but i might swap con with int
19:19 <DynamoD> so onto feats
34:10 <Mekkis> It is distressing looking at the Canberra warhorn page
37:29 <Mekkis> I need to realign my thinking
38:07 <Mekkis> Bad GM running bad players through scenario at least means that said bad players won't be on my table when I get around to playing it
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57:11 <Steven> damn headache.
58:18 <DynamoD> only get those on the morning of a heavy night of drinking the night before
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