// #d&d — 2014-09-26
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00:31:17 <Mekkis> Hmm.. How long do you think Ecidon will last?
00:31:28 <Mekkis> more than one scenario?
00:32:03 <Mekkis> his melee attack is at -9 :P
00:37:55 <Steven> meh..... i think you coud do better
00:39:36 <Steven> oracle w/ burned for -4, non proficiency -4, str score of 7 for -2,
00:39:41 <Steven> thats -10 right there.
00:40:04 <Steven> what else ya got going on... add that to it... go go!
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04:10:31 <s_gmusic> Ray of Enfeeblement can nuke your STR down to 1 for a -5 modifier, giving you -13.
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07:09:26 <Mekkis> Steven, sure, but I'm level 2.
07:09:37 <Mekkis> the BAB brings it up to -9
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16:45:14 <Avatar> pretty important SKR post about how rules work: http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2ln8z?Can-a-Life-Oracle-with-Channeling-take#30
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18:52:49 <Mekkis> Avatar, that is very well said
18:54:17 <Mekkis> I think the real issue there is that SKR makes some assumptions, including the fact that there's a GM at the table to adjudicate rules disputes
20:14:48 <Mekkis> It's interesting comparing the first few paragraphs of the core rulebook with the same of the 5e PHB
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20:20:09 <Steven> 4 level 2 characters
20:20:18 <Steven> vs 3 Trolls.... CR7
20:20:41 <Steven> fuck you random encounter table.
20:23:05 <Steven> we did 89 damage to them before all of us were down though
20:34:46 <Mekkis> Gnomes can be found in some of the
20:34:46 <Mekkis> most unlikely of places, outposts among ruins
20:34:46 <Mekkis> or floating rocks that they found interesting for
20:34:46 <Mekkis> one reason or another. Their tolerances for
20:34:46 <Mekkis> dangerous radiation leaks, substandard living
20:34:46 <Mekkis> conditions, and environmental pollution are
20:34:46 <Mekkis> somewhat staggering.
20:41:57 <Mekkis> Steven, kingmaker?
20:42:25 <Steven> yup
20:42:40 <Steven> that encounter is just fuckin stupi
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20:42:45 <Steven> stupid
20:43:28 <Steven> cause a cr7 encounter should totally be on the random encounters table that lvl 1s should be able to encounter.
20:43:29 <Mekkis> could be worse
20:43:40 <Mekkis> We kept getting Will o the wisps
20:44:03 <Steven> i dont think will o wisps would bother us to much... we are 3 melee characters 1 arcane caster.
20:45:22 <Steven> but fuck man... trolls are just stupid hard when you can only surpress regeneration for 1 round and the sorc doesnt have precise shot and only has a +1 modifier.
20:45:24 <Mekkis> can you see invisibility?
20:45:44 <Steven> yes.
20:45:58 <Mekkis> how at first level?
20:46:04 <Steven> we have 1 variant aasimar.
20:47:56 <Mekkis> ah
20:48:27 <Steven> 1 will o wisp wouldnt really bother us horribly much.
20:48:51 <Steven> just like 1 troll wouldnt bother us too horribly.
20:49:11 <Steven> 2 would have been a challenge, but as soon as the 3rd one came out.
20:49:33 <Steven> every round someone dropped.
20:50:15 <Steven> thankfully our GM stopped and had us taken back to their cave where they started prepping to cook us... so we got a second shot at the combat.
20:51:04 <Steven> still dropped my character.
20:52:42 <Steven> i'm considering taking combat expertise since i am constantly up at the front of the group.
20:53:00 <Steven> would take me to a 21 ac!
20:53:33 <Mekkis> didn't you die?
20:53:36 <Steven> and if i cast shield 24 ac
20:53:53 <Steven> no, they managed to figure out i wasnt dead when i was at -10/12
20:54:29 <Steven> so got me stable and then threw me in the back of the cart and took me back to town.... good news... our wand was there waiting for us when we got back.
20:55:36 <Steven> might just pick dodge.
20:55:49 <Steven> since at this level its the same thing as combat expertise.
20:56:11 <Mekkis> hn
20:56:12 <Steven> full buff of 26ac...
20:56:37 <Steven> attack defensively w/ 3 ranks of acrobatics 29ac.
20:57:36 <Steven> we did get a pretty sweet Mithril Chain shirt out of the trolls.
20:58:00 <Steven> my character is totes rockin that.
21:00:51 <Steven> so attacking defensively spell combat to get shield up... I'd have 10% spell failure a 28ac, and a +0 to hit.... seems pretty horrible.
21:04:02 <Steven> 3rd level... +4 dodge bonus.... mmm mmm good.
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21:05:57 <Mekkis> I didn't think that the APs really needed that level of power
21:06:31 <Steven> we have no divine PC.
21:07:14 <Steven> so every fight we have our damage carries over to the next day except that which we heal by the night of rest.
21:07:25 <Steven> because we didnt have a want to smack people with.
21:07:33 <Steven> wand even
21:09:06 <Mekkis> still
21:09:49 <Steven> we've had horrible luck with our random encounters... and we've managed to run into every difficult combat... we walked straight to the temple with the grizzly bear.
21:10:15 <Steven> then down to the bridge with the 8 bandits
21:10:30 <Steven> and then random encounter of 3 trolls.
21:11:19 <Steven> got into a fight with 3 boars... who charged us and crit me so i went down first round.
21:11:53 <Steven> just pretty horrible really.
21:12:06 <Steven> and as usual... i'm not the gm so my dice are cold as fuck.
21:12:13 <Mekkis> I played a dragonrider at the start of kingmaker
21:12:45 <Mekkis> drow dragonrider riding a gold dragon
21:12:47 <Steven> i'm a LE Kensai Bladebound Magus.
21:13:26 <Steven> high int
21:13:48 <Steven> good dex and low con and str.
21:14:05 <Steven> but i'm the best armored of the group.
21:15:59 <Steven> my damage isnt horrible though, 1d4+4 with a kukri.
21:21:05 <Mekkis> So, I've been comparing the forewords of various rulebooks. Interesting stuff
21:21:42 <Steven> they explain a lot of stuff in the forwards dont they?
21:22:14 <Mekkis> yeah.
21:23:05 <Mekkis> pretty much what the creators think about their product, and their market
21:23:09 <Avatar> ???
21:23:14 <Mekkis> the AD&D one is pretty good
21:23:33 <Brunius> don't make me go get the AD&D book to actually check it
21:23:49 <Avatar> yeah send it out
21:23:51 <Steven> I wish the champions of corruption was out on PDF now.
21:24:05 <Avatar> oh wait I actually have it
21:24:13 <Brunius> hehe
21:24:18 <Brunius> that first sentence is pretty good
21:25:25 <Steven> you have the champions of corruption pdf avatar? did they release it early for the subscription holders?
21:25:56 <Avatar> mate I am not a subscriber
21:26:03 <Avatar> I have an old AD&D book
21:26:04 <Mekkis> http://nl.ti4200.info/~mekkis/ADnD_foreword.pdf
21:26:22 <Brunius> https://www.dropbox.com/s/tchjyjv5mbkjbq3/2014-09-26%2021.24.48.jpg?dl=0
21:26:32 <Avatar> the one I have is different to that
21:26:52 <Brunius> it might be second ed
21:26:59 <Mekkis> Avatar, now you HAVE to show us a photo!
21:27:04 <Brunius> The PHB beside me is 1st ed
21:27:13 <Brunius> the 2nd ed PHB is around somewhere, I just don't know where
21:27:45 <Avatar> I was going to upload it, but it's 142mb
21:27:46 <Avatar> sec
21:28:09 <Mekkis> to be fair, the pathfinder core rulebook essentially says "this is 3.5e".
21:28:20 <Brunius> heh
21:29:38 <Mekkis> I thought this one was good
21:29:50 <Mekkis> http://nl.ti4200.info/~mekkis/DtD_foreword.pdf
21:31:47 <Mekkis> But to be fair, the 5e one is pretty good
21:32:06 <Steven> HOLY FUCKIN BALLS THESE ARE AWESOME!
21:32:23 <Avatar> http://imgur.com/a/yC90q#0
21:32:36 <Steven> http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/damnation-feats
21:34:41 <Steven> im so going to take these on my evil assassin character in the kingmaker game so long as my gm lets me.
21:34:49 <Mekkis> I hope they won't be PFS legal
21:35:41 <Steven> there is no way to make them legal really... they make your character evil.
21:36:35 <Mekkis> good
21:36:50 <Steven> but it makes so much sense for me to take them.
21:36:56 <Avatar> I've heard of an ioun stone that makes your character evil
21:37:02 <Avatar> and then you just use atonement and keep the ioun stone and its powers
21:37:11 <Avatar> doesn't make sense, but it's PFS legal !
21:38:15 <Steven> which atonement wouldnt really work for that if you kept the stone because you're not repentant for the action... its been shown that you'd have to get rid of the stone, but was 'hand waved' for PFS.
21:38:39 <Avatar> powah 2 da ppl
21:38:51 <Steven> these feats damn your soul and shift your alignment towards evil.
21:39:17 <Steven> i'd say its very unlikely they would be allowed.
21:39:30 <Steven> since every feat you take past the 1st makes you more and more evil.
21:40:03 <Steven> really i just want the 'Mask of Virtue' Feat
21:40:11 <Steven> so that people cant discern my alignnment.
21:40:55 <Avatar> you could just atone and then keep the powers
21:41:00 <Steven> but i would gladly sink 4 feats into this....
21:41:27 <Mekkis> Strictly speaking, when Mytiazair took the atonement, it wasn't an atonement for his actions: it was an atonement in order to effect an alignment change.
21:41:53 <Avatar> "I'm sorry my alignment changed"
21:41:56 <Avatar> ?
21:42:17 <Mekkis> !spell atonement
21:42:40 <Mekkis> Wo ist Die Bot?
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21:43:23 <Steven> i dunno bout you guys, but i'd totally rule that if you pick these feats and then were like 'oh i dont want to be evil /atonement' i'd demand the person retrain out of the feat or they are not really repentant for their actions that caused the alignment shift.
21:43:26 <Mekkis> !spell atonement
21:43:29 <diebot> Mekkis, ATONEMENT abjuration ([]) cleric/oracle 5, druid 5, inquisitor 5 1 hour Range: touch living creature touched Comp: V, S, M (burning incense), F (a set of prayer beads or other prayer device worth at least 500 gp), DF Duration: instantaneous Save: none SR:yesSource: PFRPG Core
21:43:30 <diebot> The description is too long to send over IRC. View http://nl.ti4200.info/vpsirc/spells/atonement.html
21:43:59 <Mekkis> Redemption or Temptation: You may cast this spell upon a creature of an opposing alignment in order to offer it a chance to change its alignment to match yours. The prospective subject must be present for the entire casting process. Upon completion of the spell, the subject freely chooses whether it retains its original alignment or acquiesces to your offer and changes to your alignment. No duress, compulsion, or magical influence can force the subject
21:43:59 <Mekkis> to take advantage of the opportunity offered if it is unwilling to abandon its old alignment.
21:45:34 <Avatar> This spell removes the burden of misdeeds from the subject. The creature seeking atonement must be truly repentant and desirous of setting right its misdeeds.
21:46:15 <Avatar> it's not "thank you for your offer but I'll CONTINUE TO USE MY EVIL POWERS"
21:50:15 <Mekkis> Mytiazair did go through a pretty big character change due to that episode, you know...
21:54:05 <Steven> back.
21:54:17 <Mekkis> it represents a time when he gave in to temptation.
21:55:43 <Mekkis> But he was brought back by the will of Desna.
21:56:01 <Mekkis> He's realising that he has been a bit of a hypocrit.
22:03:13 <Mekkis> only a little though
22:03:29 <Brunius> http://blog.roll20.net/post/98396632715/were-hiring
22:07:07 <Mekkis> sorry mate, I like my job
22:13:58 <Mekkis> Where are you uniing?
22:14:09 <Mekkis> if you plan to uni
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22:16:20 <Mekkis> Avatar, any chance you could get http://nl.ti4200.info/~mekkis/cupDesign2.svg printed on a stein at unicon
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22:21:14 <Steven> i seriously hope my GM says yes i can take those feats.
22:28:13 <Steven> so if i take all of them I'll have immunity to fire and acid and resist energy 10 cold, +4 to Intimidate and can do it as a swift action, +2 CL, DC, and -1SL to metamagic applied to evil spells, detect as a different alignment and know the name of someone who is trying to detect my alignment.
22:28:44 <Steven> seems really powerful... downside is of course it will take a miracle to bring me back to life.
22:54:21 <Mekkis> so don't die :S
22:58:21 <Steven> well if i make it to level 9 i wont have to worry about dying.
22:58:39 <Steven> unless someone randomly hits me with a nasty crit...
22:59:20 <Steven> most of my tactics at that point in the game will be sneaking in, studying my target and then making a death attack vs them.
23:04:27 <Steven> my entire plan is silent vampiric touch+death attack for 1d4+4d6+14 damage DC 17 fort save or die instantly if they are awake. if they are asleep the same thing only it will be 2d4+7d6+28 damage coup attempt.
23:05:27 <Steven> i mean i dont really need the vampiric touch damage.... but hell... if you can eek out 6d6 in false life... no reason not to ya know.
23:09:23 <Steven> maybe just pick one up every other feat.
23:09:48 <Steven> so level 15 when i get them all... that seems like a better progression really
23:21:23 <Mekkis> So. Just seriously considered suicide in this CRPG.
23:32:20 <Steven> which game?
23:41:45 <Mekkis> Planescape: torment
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23:49:47 <Mekkis> how does a Dagger of Doubling interact with an Inquisitor's Bane?
23:49:54 <Mekkis> !item Dagger of Doubling
23:50:02 <diebot> Mekkis, DAGGER OF DOUBLING [faint conjuration] CL:5 none 10302gp, 1lb
23:50:02 <diebot> A wielder with a free hand can split this +1 dagger into two identical +1 daggers as a swift action, or a free action if she has the Quick Draw feat. The doubled daggers can't be split again. If either dagger is thrown while doubled, the hurled dagger vanishes after resolving the attack and the remaining dagger can be split again. If the wielder
23:50:03 <diebot> drops a doubled dagger or it otherwise leaves her person, it vanishes. If both daggers leave the wielder's hands at the same time, determine randomly which dagger vanishes. Spells or effects placed on a dagger of doubling don't duplicate when the dagger is split. Any active effects on a dagger end when it vanishes. Destroying one of the doubled
23:50:03 <diebot> daggers just causes the duplicate to disappear, but any damage to a single dagger of doubling remains on both daggers when it doubles. Source: Ultimate Equipment
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