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36:57 <HazrdousKing> I kinda want to learn to be a game master but it seems quite hard
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21:45 <s_gmusic> I think the whole variant rules/feats thing is more of a "here's an option you can use if you want to, you're not required"
35:45 <Mekkis> !spell endure elements, communal
35:48 <diebot> Mekkis, ENDURE ELEMENTS, COMMUNAL abjuration ([]) alchemist 3, cleric/oracle 2, druid 2, paladin 2, ranger 2, sorcerer/wizard 2 1 standard action Range: touch creatures touched Comp: V, S Duration: 24 hours Save: Will negates (harmless) SR:yes (harmless)Source: Ultimate Combat
35:48 <diebot> This spell functions like endure elements, except you divide the duration in 1-hour increments among the creatures touched.
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34:08 <Steven> so... i had probably the best meal of my life so far this weekend.
36:53 <Steven> Steak Oscar at a place called The Brooklyn in Seattle
37:04 <Steven> Brock took a few of us out... oh god it was fantastic
40:43 <Steven> for you who dont know, steak oscar is a sirloin on a bed of asparagus smothered in Bearnaise 
40:53 <Steven> and crab
42:12 <Steven> all the while drinking a fine scotch because they ordered a bottle of wine, which i cant drink due to the almost immediate migraine i get, so he was like order whatever you wanna drink/
42:16 <Steven> was amazing.
42:26 <s_gmusic|Work> just confirmed the above with my local VL
43:00 <s_gmusic> I just realized something.... You could plug a usb hub into one of those wall plug things, then plug all your charging cords into the hub and only take one spot on the outlet. :\
45:43 <Avatar> cheaper to get scrolls
48:40 <Avatar> how do you work out which ethnicities live in which regions
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15:00 <Avatar> someone reckons alkenstar is 90% keleshite and 10% garundi, where the hell did they get that from?
16:32 <Avatar> I have to get an ITS together for my paladin on the asap
25:16 <Avatar> s_gmusic: right, so like regular variant rules
25:21 <Avatar> that is a bit shit
25:31 <Avatar> but not as shit as leaving it out entirely would have been
38:53 <Avatar> Mekkis: do you know what faction ulzef took?
42:39 <Avatar> I feel like I should be doing some character prep before unicon but I can't remember what !
52:29 <Avatar> does anyone have a copy of the d&d next PHB?
52:45 <Avatar> or a link to a rules archive
00:08 <Steven> yo
00:29 <Avatar> yo
00:44 <Steven> dat thread eh?
00:56 <Avatar> which one
01:04 <Steven> oh you know which one.
01:05 <Avatar> mate I am involved in several contraversial threads a day
01:20 <Avatar> the paladin one ?
01:28 <Steven> see i knew you knew
01:42 <Avatar> that stuff has to be said, it causes nasty table variation
01:50 <Avatar> a couple of those guys are regulars
01:53 <Steven> best post in it was from 'The Dead Horse'
02:00 <Avatar> I hate posts like that
02:13 <Avatar> why make an alias just to post that crap
02:24 <Avatar> I'd expect that kind of immaturity from kyle, maybe
02:43 <Steven> because it added a chuckle to an otherwise bitchfest of a thread.
04:10 <Avatar> wasn't really a bitchfest man
04:17 <Avatar> you want a bitchfest, check out the crane style thread
04:26 <Steven> oh i read that one too.
04:37 <Avatar> I commented in there twice just to thank paizo for doing it
04:54 <Steven> I'm a VL remember, I basically read anything that gets over 30 posts.
04:56 <Avatar> page 2 and page 7 if memory serves
05:15 <Avatar> mate your VL status means very little to me in terms of what you do apart from organising games
05:34 <Avatar> there are so many double rulings on what kind of power VOs have and there doesn't seem to be much
05:54 <Avatar> it's not making rulings, because VOs can be wrong on rules questions, unless it's at their event for a temporary ruling
06:09 <Steven> well, for your information from now on.  to me it means i try to stay up to date on whats going on in the forums so when somebody asks me things i know what they are talkin bout.
06:24 <Avatar> yeah but that is your personal mission, not a VO requirement
06:30 <Avatar> that is my personal mission also and I am not a VO
06:41 <Steven> make this man a VO! go go!
06:48 <Avatar> ya
06:49 <Avatar> think about it
07:03 <Avatar> I did consider applying a while ago but I am not sure I am a good fit
07:14 <Steven> do you love the game?
07:29 <Avatar> I like giving mekkis a bit of crap every now and then and that isn't appropriate for a VO
07:46 <Avatar> well I don't think it is, maybe I'm wrong
07:51 <Steven> what... dude... i give crap to several of my regulars at the FLGS.
07:55 <Steven> all the time.
08:04 <Steven> just because you're a VO doesnt mean you stop being a person.
09:19 <Steven> If you could see some of the things other VOs post on their facebook or how they act at conventions...  jesus its no wonder why people have so little respect for us sometimes.
10:10 <Avatar> even despite that I'm still not running games often enough
10:17 <Steven> heh.
10:23 <Avatar> struggling to make myself run them more
10:29 <Avatar> damion's game was a good motivator
10:30 <Steven> let me go check my account real fast.
11:44 <Steven> other than conventions I've run two games in the last month.
13:04 <Avatar> conventions count man
13:11 <Steven> A Rise of the Runelords AP on July 21st and The Many Fortunes of Grandmaster Torch August 24th
13:37 <Steven> alright... alright.
13:41 <Steven> we will go to the month of June.
13:47 <Steven> I had no conventions that month.
13:53 <Steven> my GM history from that month
13:55 <Steven> Jun 1, 2014	44447	PPS	1	Coraith	#5–18: The Stranger Within (PFRPG)	27510-0		—	GM 2		Edit Jun 4, 2014	44574	PPS	1	Coraith	#4–18: The Veteran's Vault (PFRPG)	27510-		—	GM —		Edit Jun 29, 2014	45857	PPS	1	Coraith	#5–21: The Merchant's Wake (PFRPG)	27510-		—	GM —		Edit
14:03 <Avatar> don't make me parse that, please
14:05 <Steven> so, 3 games in 1 month.
14:21 <Avatar> I can't really do 3 games in 1 month
14:27 <Avatar> I used to and it burnt me out
14:49 <Avatar> I am kind of at the point where I feel like running 1 game and playing 1 game per month is huge
15:14 <Steven> Month of May i GM'd 5 games which Included a Convention.
15:40 <Steven> April 3 games.
15:49 <Steven> March 2 games
16:05 <Steven> February 4 games
16:21 <Steven> January 2 games
16:53 <Avatar> well shit maybe I should apply to be a VO
17:20 <Steven> damn right you should.
18:57 <Steven> But if you include the Conventions i've went to I've GM'd 18 games in the last two months, but that included paizocon and gencon and then I spent roughly 35 hours the last day working a prize booth at PAX Prime.
19:35 <Steven> all i gotta say is thank god convention season is over.
19:53 <Avatar> yeah thank god I am not in america
20:14 <Steven> I'm really happy they moved Paizocon to the end of May.
20:17 <Avatar> I've gotta say, the conventions here are pretty awesome, being held in a school
20:21 <Avatar> one game per room is the bomb
20:40 <s_gmusic> whaddya need to know, avatar?
20:43 <Avatar> background noise is so annoying, I feel like I'm actually sensitive to it
21:06 <Steven> I wear earplugs when i go to a convention. like paizocon or gencon.
21:14 <Steven> it cuts out the drone of so many voices.
21:26 <Avatar> yeah couldn't do it
21:42 <Steven> Gencon was pretty awesome except bonekeep 3.
21:52 <Steven> which was a shit show.
22:02 <Steven> but man everything else was fantastic.
23:26 <Steven> and at pax this year i got to go out to dinner with a VO crew and Brock.
24:06 <Avatar> I have no interest whatsoever in going to dinner with a VO crew and Brock
24:18 <Avatar> unless we are actually talking about improving the game somehow
24:26 <Avatar> in my experience, that almost never happens
24:32 <Avatar> I do not like chitchat
24:38 <Avatar> you'd never guess hey
24:42 <Steven> we didnt talk about the game at all, we talked about golf courses.
24:52 <Avatar> yeah see
25:09 <Steven> funny stories like the 'cuddle buddy' incident i had.
25:15 <Avatar> it's the same when I'm at work, people want to go to meetings and make jokes and shit
25:22 <Avatar> like wow, why are we here again
25:46 <Steven> which sent us into fits of laughter
26:01 <Steven> and then brock ordered us a bottle of wine which due to my migraines i cant drink
26:16 <Avatar> the only thing they should talk about which sends people into fits of laughter is jason buhlman announcing "the summoner is BROKEN."
27:04 <Avatar> I think he thought it was the best meal of his life because brock was there
27:11 <Steven> so he was like well order a drink, so i got a laphroaig 12y
27:23 <Steven> and everytime it was empty he ordered me another one.
27:43 <Steven> then i had my first steak in well over 2 years.
27:56 <Avatar> what's the deal with your migraines?
28:00 <Avatar> what the rules are
28:15 <Steven> I suffer from chronic Migraines, bout 2-3 per week.
28:32 <Steven> I have medication that works about 50% of the time.
28:56 <Avatar> I want to see if it's any good
28:58 <Avatar> how long have you had that?
29:09 <Steven> 17 years or so.
29:13 <Avatar> damn
29:21 <Steven> shit happens, i deal with it.
29:23 <Avatar> I am eplieptic and am not supposed to drink
29:44 <Avatar> I still do very very occasionally, at home
30:15 <Avatar> doesn't really affect me as long as I take care of myself, otherwise I end up waking up with people standing around me wondering wtf is happening
30:17 <Steven> but yeah, so we have dinner dessert and drinks, brock picks up the check.
30:17 <Steven> later we figure out the bill... prolly 650.
31:51 <Steven> I feel ya man.  I often say stuff that comes out all jumbled when im having a migraine and people look at me weird and so I gotta find out what i said.
32:25 <Steven> and I've lost complete days out of my memory.
33:13 <Avatar> that is basically my life !
33:28 <Steven> Lost a week once in college.  Woke up ready for class, went in and it was a saturday.
33:54 <Steven> god that was disorienting... I kept up with my schedule i guess... i just dont remember doing it.
34:04 <Avatar> sup king
34:14 <Avatar> are you hazardous
34:58 <HazrdousKing> yeah
35:07 <HazrdousKing> sorry, was cooking dinner
35:36 <HazrdousKing> alternate ID that was selected when my tablet decided to go to sleep
35:58 <HazrdousKing> brb having dinner
43:29 <s_gmusic> here's some basic things about it, but it only gives blurbs about races and classes: http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Dungeons_%26_Dragons_5th_Edition
43:37 <Steven> so avatar... created any new characters lately?
44:54 <Avatar> I am flat out trying to set up my existing ones
45:01 <Avatar> the exploiter wizard is probably the 'new' one
45:08 <Avatar> want to see what I've largely decided on
45:16 <Steven> hells yes
45:23 <Avatar> had to rename him
45:28 <Avatar> he's not Chimeree anymore, he's Chai
45:34 <Avatar> Chai is short for Chillee
45:41 <Avatar> Chillee Maenven
45:45 <Avatar> cousin of Mellon Maenven
45:57 <Avatar> my other wizard mekkis killed
45:57 <Steven> okay...
46:08 <Steven> gotcha.
46:22 <Avatar> I just found some really funny logs where mekkis tries to introduce us to pathfinder but doesn't succeed for months because he never properly explains it
47:08 <Avatar> sec, my browser has lost the plot
47:58 <Avatar> this is the important part: 
48:08 <Avatar> (Racial) Run
48:08 <Avatar> (Class)  Spell Focus (Evocation)  
48:08 <Avatar> (1st)    Mage's Tattoo (Evocation/Dancing Lights) [ISWG] +1 CL
48:08 <Avatar> {1st E}  Quick Study
48:08 <Avatar> (3rd)    Toppling Spell [UM]
48:08 <Avatar> (5th)    Spell Specialisation (MM) (treat a spell as CL +2)
48:08 <Avatar> {5th E}  Potent Magic (CL +2 instead of +1 or DC +2 instead of 1)
48:08 <Avatar> (7th)    Extra Arcane Exploit (Counterspell)
48:08 <Avatar> (9th)    Greater Spell Specialisation
48:08 <Avatar> {9th E}  Bloodine Development (Arcana)
48:08 <Avatar> (11th)   Quicken Spell? Intensified Spell [APG]? 
48:17 <s_gmusic> they should be posted for their shame and our laughter. 
48:59 <Avatar> I'm having dinner too, do you see me leaving
49:01 <Avatar> no
49:28 <Avatar> we need a golarion culture specialist in here
49:51 <Steven> which spell are you specializing in?
50:21 <Steven> Magic Missile?
50:42 <Mekkis> heh
50:59 <Avatar> http://www.pfrpg.com.au/viewchar.php5?char=983
51:03 <Avatar> yeah magic missile
51:07 <Avatar> maybe changing to fireball later
51:15 <Avatar> I don't know, he was originally being built as a blaster
51:21 <Avatar> I would sort of like to keep to that
51:23 <HazrdousKing> Hey, back
51:32 <Avatar> my traits are a real issue, I don't know what to take
51:42 <Steven> Fireballs are iffy because they allow a reflex save and there are quite a few creatures with evasion out there.
52:57 <Avatar> I am a bit obsessed with toppling magic missiles
52:59 <Avatar> http://pastebin.com/WLiF6MGN
53:03 <Avatar> obsessed with tripping
53:14 <Avatar> even though sometimes that flat-out doesn't work
53:54 <Steven> Dangerously Curious is a pretty decent choice.  making UMD a class skill is a damn fine thing.
54:15 <Avatar> I already have too many good traits in the mix
54:34 <Avatar> the two I've got are kind of locked in, just wondering if I should burn an extra trait boon here for magical lineage
54:38 <Avatar> and how to use it
54:51 <Avatar> http://pastebin.com/jUfryBuY
54:52 <s_gmusic> heh. the link in that still works and goes to the CRB
54:58 <Steven> and reactionary is pretty awesome when you are making a build that basically wants to apply a status condition to enemies.
55:01 <Avatar> these all compare 3.5 to pathfinder
55:18 <Avatar> I don't have that many boons
55:29 <Avatar> I will have to rely on my luck for initiative
55:59 <Steven> what traits are you looking at?
56:09 <Avatar> http://www.pfrpg.com.au/viewchar.php5?char=983
57:23 <Steven> well... thats an optimized character for sure.
57:35 <Avatar> http://pastebin.com/ji28GcGG
57:46 <Mekkis> nothing particularly bad there.
58:05 <Avatar> you reckon
58:59 <Avatar> http://pastebin.com/bcYZpgsf
59:05 <Avatar> I don't get the run feat racial, that is a holdover from an elf build
59:16 <Avatar> this goes on for about 5 or 6 months
00:30 <Avatar> a lot of them are casual comments just in the middle of conversation "I'd consider playing with that under pathfinder" and then nothing else is said
00:38 <Avatar> continue on with 3.5 conversation
00:50 <Mekkis> Consider that at the time, Pathfinder wasn't released...
01:45 <Avatar> !feat intensify spell
01:54 <Avatar> where is diebot?
02:19 <Steven> only dicebot today
02:40 <Avatar> http://pastebin.com/7ez8rUfZ
02:56 <Avatar> it was released, you keep linking the core rulebook but with the most minimal of explanation
03:07 <Avatar> magical lineage probably isn't worth a magic missile focus, is it
03:22 <Avatar> I guess for quickening spells ?
03:43 <Steven> I dont think you really need it.
03:47 <Avatar> oh, I don't think bloodline development arcana works for the exploiter wizard
03:52 <Avatar> what's for dinner
04:30 <Avatar> http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2rg3o?Exploiter-Wizard-and-Arcana-Bloodline#1
04:37 <Steven> except for quickening metamagic the rods are pretty cheap.
04:54 <Avatar> aren't they like a bazillion gp?
04:59 <HazrdousKing> steak, bacon and chips
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05:45 <Avatar> fucking yum
06:01 <s_gmusic> avatar, can you accept xdcc transfers from people?
06:08 <Avatar> http://pastebin.com/uJfGkMzZ
06:10 <Avatar> yeah
06:21 <HazrdousKing> yeah, although I feel like my life expectancy dropped by 5
06:33 <Avatar> the next few lines in that last log is ballig pasting that he's just downloaded a copy of the core rulebook
06:35 <Steven> not really.
06:38 <Avatar> I've got to rebuild my cleric pretty quickly
06:57 <s_gmusic> how appropriate
06:59 <s_gmusic> SENDING!
07:27 <s_gmusic> it's Black and White, and missing art pages, but the scans are good and the text is clean.
07:28 <Avatar> but it's worth it
07:43 <Steven> lesser maximize metamagic is 14k
08:00 <Avatar> the problem with rods is they are only 3/day
08:04 <Steven> lets you cast 3 spells per day of up to 3rd level
08:10 <Avatar> for blasting, that's shit
08:12 <HazrdousKing> yeah, it was pretty amazing, I think I might top it off with a nice pastry
08:13 <Avatar> failed
08:16 <Avatar> for healing it's fine with a rod of reach
08:17 <Avatar> that would be your end fucking up
08:29 <Steven> depends on what spells you're looking to throw out.
08:32 <s_gmusic> probably. solution incoming.
08:49 <Avatar> do you how much persistent is off the top of your head?
09:20 <Steven> for an opening salvo especially with your build, you dont need but 1-2 of those a day anyways.
09:51 <Steven> then pepper away with magic missiles while the barbarians and what not clean up.
10:20 <Steven> persistant is a +2
10:37 <Steven> and really it is better to just get a staff of the master, necromancy.
11:06 <Steven> the rod is Price 9,000 gp (lesser), 32,500 gp (normal), 73,000 gp (greater);
11:50 <Avatar> I can't use that bloodline for a good staff yo
11:58 <Avatar> I need a new exploit now
12:07 <Steven> the staff of the master is 30k, it doesnt cost much.
12:17 <Avatar> mate I have never had 30k on my person on a character
12:18 <Steven> get the exploit that lets you pick a metamagic.
12:27 <Avatar> I already have that
12:30 <s_gmusic> http://www.mediafire.com/download/sxygs957j6qyb9w/DnD+5e+Players+Handbook+%28BnW+OCR+ToC%29%5BDA5382B4%5D.pdf
12:38 <Steven> isnt that one you can pick multiple times?
12:50 <Avatar> oh wait, I thought I did
12:59 <Avatar> maybe I removed it when I removed metamixing
13:16 <Steven> Metamagic Knowledge: The arcanist can select one metamagic feat as a bonus feat. She must meet the prerequisites of this feat.
13:36 <Avatar> yeah that is like the rogue talent combat trick
13:37 <Avatar> sounds like it was actually spaceshot who ended up selling pathfinder to us
13:41 <Avatar> except for metamagic
13:54 <Avatar> still need a bit of a strat there
14:28 <Steven> the staff of the master is pretty OP... save up and buy that.
14:52 <s_gmusic> made sure to include a crc code on that in case mediafire decides to derp
14:59 <Avatar> mate my guy is level 3
15:10 <Avatar> that is distantttt future
15:15 <Steven> so... what else you gonna spend the cash on?
15:18 <Avatar> I can't get an arcane bond
15:23 <Avatar> spellz
15:38 <Avatar> I don't know, this is about as far as I got with my last wizard before mekkis killed him
16:15 <Steven> well, let me pull up my wizard and i'll see what gear he has.
18:46 <Steven> he is the only wizard i have outside of a homebrew/AP, where you dont get options really one what gear you get to have
19:17 <Avatar> mediafire
19:20 <Avatar> just put it on google drive
19:22 <Avatar> and share it
19:36 <Avatar> forget this mediafire garbage
19:51 <s_gmusic> anyone have one of these or know someone who does? thinking about getting one http://www.thinkgeek.com/product/aaa5/
20:20 <Avatar> nop
21:08 <s_gmusic> oh yeah...
21:14 <s_gmusic> keep forgetting about g.drive
21:27 <Avatar> [email protected]
21:35 <Steven> brb, dogs gotta go out.
27:00 <s_gmusic> why your email? will https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2rdBR2TQrTzNGt0cHY2MFhoaG8 not work?
31:05 <Avatar> you can share it
31:08 <Avatar> the link is fine though
31:26 <Avatar> it would be fine if you gave it public permissions at least !
31:45 <Avatar> the WLD xill battle is probably one of the coolest battles we had
32:12 <Mekkis> Some of the QQ stuff was good
41:18 <Mekkis> I just realised that my cleric has 25k of unspent gold. He just hit 8th level.
43:30 <Steven> alrighty, back.
44:29 <Steven> so my wizard bought a headband of intellect and a sehidron medallion
44:50 <Steven> then a chair the floats, which gave no mechanical benefit, just fun roleplay.
44:56 <Avatar> sounds like my witch
45:04 <Steven> then i bought 4 atonement.
45:13 <Steven> a headband upgrade
45:18 <Steven> another atonement
45:21 <Mekkis> http://fightcopyrighttrolls.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/blocktpb1.png?w=614
45:26 <Steven> upgrade to +6
45:32 <Steven> some spells learned
45:43 <Steven> and then +1 spellstoring ceremonial silken armor
45:48 <Steven> then another atonement
45:57 <Steven> and then a staff of the master.
46:38 <Steven> so really i didnt spend much.
46:45 <Steven> but my character is OP as fuck.
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50:54 <Avatar> why are you buying so many atonements
52:48 <Steven> he is a necromancer.
53:14 <Steven> he really shouldnt be LN, he should be LE>
04:00 <Damalon01> yo
08:55 <Avatar> http://pastebin.com/5BNNyq4S
09:40 <Damalon01> herp derpa?
09:59 <Avatar> lots of good logs
10:10 <Avatar> that one is the infamous xill battle
10:23 <Avatar> !item powder
10:26 <diebot> Avatar, CHOMPER [strong conjuration] CL:17 none 0gp, 15lb
10:26 <diebot> The description is too long to send over IRC. View http://nl.ti4200.info/vpsirc/items/chomper.html
10:38 <Avatar> does anyone have a copy of UE that says powder is 1cp for 1/2 lb
10:55 <Avatar> all the sites say it, except paizo's PRD and my copy of UE which say 2cp for 1lb
12:08 <Damalon01> Xill are nasty
14:26 <Avatar> never as nasty as that battle
23:37 <Mekkis> !cast 7d6
23:38 <Avatar> [Mekkis] 7d6 -- 3 3 1 6 2 1 6 (Total: 22)
23:41 <Mekkis> :p
23:43 <Mekkis> :o
25:01 <Damalon01> oooooo
25:12 <Damalon01> !cast 82d4
25:18 <Damalon01> aawwww
25:28 <Mekkis> Avatar is such a troll: [16:36] <Artew> Psst. Ballig. If the Xill who picked up Reece's weapon survives, it should probably try to go ethereal next round. >_>
25:43 <Damalon01> lols
31:18 <Steven> loophole found and exploited.
31:23 <Steven> oh yeah!
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34:50 <Avatar> I'm Reece
34:55 <Avatar> I think that's Graylight
46:21 <Mekkis> ah
04:48 <Mekkis> I want to get an electric bike of the recumbent style, add a canopy for all-weather riding. Then add an additional wheel on front and back for stability, and a stereo and heater.
05:11 <Mekkis> I might also replace the battery-motor combination with an internal combustion engine.
17:53 <Mekkis> Adventurer's armoury
23:37 <Damalon01> ok im gonna head off
32:10 <s_gmusic> server derp?
35:39 <Mekkis> If you go Eldrich Heritage arcane then improved familiar, you're not actually taking the -2 to level for the purposes of Improved Familiar, right?
42:57 <s_gmusic> ....that's a good one. I'm inclined to say you would take the penalty.
45:11 <s_gmusic> since your sorc level would be c.lvl -2, then your adjusted sorc level would become your wizard level, which would limit the familiar you can get with I.Familiar
00:35 <Mekkis> but Improved familar doesn't care about sorcerer or wizard level.
00:42 <Mekkis> It cares about character level and caster level
23:15 <HazrdousKing> Hey Avatar, when do you think another game will be on?
45:50 <HazrdousKing> I kinda want to learn to be a game master but it seems quite hard
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12:51 <s_gmusic> I think the whole variant rules/feats thing is more of a "here's an option you can use if you want to, you're not required"
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07:51 <s_gmusic|Work> mekkis, what kind of build/character is this thing going on?
59:47 <Avatar> I didn't realise how late in the week it is, I should really get heresy 2 sorted
18:22 <Mekkis> s_gmusic|Work, I have an oracle 7.
18:32 <Avatar> is that a rebuilt character
29:07 <Mekkis> s_gmusic, but Improved Familiar ISN'T based off of your Arcane caster level...
31:29 <Mekkis> !feat Eldritch heritage
31:31 <diebot> Mekkis, ELDRITCH HERITAGE []Prereq:  Cha 13, Skill Focus with the class skill of bloodline selected for this feat (see below), character level 3rd.  You are descended from a long line of sorcerers, and some portion of their power flows in your veins.
31:31 <diebot> Benefit:  Select one sorcerer bloodline. You must have Skill focus in the class skill that bloodline grants to a sorcerer at 1st level (for example, Heal for the celestial bloodline). This bloodline cannot be a bloodline you already have. You gain the first-level bloodline power for the selected bloodline. For purposes of using that power, treat
31:32 <diebot> your sorcerer level as equal to your character level – 2, even if you have levels in sorcerer. You do not gain any of the other bloodline abilities. Source: UM
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35:59 <Avatar> I am flat out trying to set up my existing ones
36:06 <Avatar> the exploiter wizard is probably the 'new' one
36:13 <Avatar> want to see what I've largely decided on
36:21 <Steven> hells yes
36:28 <Avatar> had to rename him
36:33 <Avatar> he's not Chimeree anymore, he's Chai
36:39 <Avatar> Chai is short for Chillee
36:46 <Avatar> Chillee Maenven
36:50 <Avatar> cousin of Mellon Maenven
37:02 <Avatar> my other wizard mekkis killed
37:02 <Steven> okay...
37:08 <Avatar> humans suck quite a bit in 5e
37:13 <Steven> gotcha.
37:20 <Avatar> no bonus feat and no skill bonus unless you use the variant rules? wtf
37:46 <Avatar> not sure if 5e's "variant rules" are meant to be treated like archetypes or if they're regular "only if you really really want to" variant rules
38:07 <Avatar> how are you supposed to keep track of purchases less than 25gp if you don't need them on the ITS?
38:13 <Avatar> sec, my browser has lost the plot
39:03 <Avatar> this is the important part: 
39:13 <Avatar> (Racial) Run
39:13 <Avatar> (Class)  Spell Focus (Evocation)  
39:13 <Avatar> (1st)    Mage's Tattoo (Evocation/Dancing Lights) [ISWG] +1 CL
39:13 <Avatar> {1st E}  Quick Study
39:13 <Avatar> (3rd)    Toppling Spell [UM]
39:13 <Avatar> (5th)    Spell Specialisation (MM) (treat a spell as CL +2)
39:13 <Avatar> {5th E}  Potent Magic (CL +2 instead of +1 or DC +2 instead of 1)
39:13 <Avatar> (7th)    Extra Arcane Exploit (Counterspell)
39:13 <Avatar> (9th)    Greater Spell Specialisation
39:13 <Avatar> {9th E}  Bloodine Development (Arcana)
39:13 <Avatar> (11th)   Quicken Spell? Intensified Spell [APG]? 
40:56 <Steven> which spell are you specializing in?
41:26 <Steven> Magic Missile?
42:04 <Avatar> http://www.pfrpg.com.au/viewchar.php5?char=983
42:08 <Avatar> yeah magic missile
42:12 <Avatar> maybe changing to fireball later
42:20 <Avatar> I don't know, he was originally being built as a blaster
42:26 <Avatar> I would sort of like to keep to that
42:37 <Avatar> my traits are a real issue, I don't know what to take
42:44 <Avatar> !feat improved familiar
42:44 <diebot> Avatar, IMPROVED FAMILIAR []Prereq:  Ability to acquire a new familiar, compatible alignment, sufficiently high level (see below).  This feat allows you to acquire a powerful familiar, but only when you could normally acquire a new familiar.
42:45 <diebot> Benefit:  When choosing a familiar, the creatures listed below are also available to you. You may choose a familiar with an alignment up to one step away on each alignment axis (lawful through chaotic, good through evil). Improved familiars otherwise use the rules for regular familiars, with two exceptions: if the creature's type is something
42:45 <diebot> other than animal, its type does not change; and improved familiars do not gain the ability to speak with other creatures of their kind (although many of them already have the ability to communicate). Source: Core
42:47 <Steven> Fireballs are iffy because they allow a reflex save and there are quite a few creatures with evasion out there.
43:12 <Avatar> 'sufficiently high level' ?
43:57 <Avatar> you might need to spell out the mechanics a bit better
44:02 <Avatar> I am a bit obsessed with toppling magic missiles
44:08 <Avatar> obsessed with tripping
44:14 <Avatar> a bit better/top to bottom
44:19 <Avatar> even though sometimes that flat-out doesn't work
44:59 <Steven> Dangerously Curious is a pretty decent choice.  making UMD a class skill is a damn fine thing.
45:20 <Avatar> I already have too many good traits in the mix
45:39 <Avatar> the two I've got are kind of locked in, just wondering if I should burn an extra trait boon here for magical lineage
45:43 <Avatar> and how to use it
46:03 <Steven> and reactionary is pretty awesome when you are making a build that basically wants to apply a status condition to enemies.
46:23 <Avatar> I don't have that many boons
46:34 <Avatar> I will have to rely on my luck for initiative
47:04 <Steven> what traits are you looking at?
47:14 <Avatar> http://www.pfrpg.com.au/viewchar.php5?char=983
48:28 <Steven> well... thats an optimized character for sure.
49:10 <Avatar> you reckon
50:10 <Avatar> I don't get the run feat racial, that is a holdover from an elf build
51:20 <s_gmusic|Work> hm....
52:47 <s_gmusic|Work> if it's going on your oracle, I'm more certain you would take the penalty. improved familiar is based off your Arcane caster level and Oracles are divine. due to Eldritch heritage, your arcane caster level would be character level -2, so you'd be a lvl 5 arcane for I.familiar.
52:50 <Avatar> !feat intensify spell
52:59 <Avatar> where is diebot?
53:24 <Steven> only dicebot today
54:12 <Avatar> magical lineage probably isn't worth a magic missile focus, is it
54:27 <Avatar> I guess for quickening spells ?
54:48 <Steven> I dont think you really need it.
54:52 <Avatar> oh, I don't think bloodline development arcana works for the exploiter wizard
55:35 <Avatar> http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2rg3o?Exploiter-Wizard-and-Arcana-Bloodline#1
55:42 <Steven> except for quickening metamagic the rods are pretty cheap.
55:59 <Avatar> aren't they like a bazillion gp?
57:40 <Steven> not really.
57:43 <Avatar> I've got to rebuild my cleric pretty quickly
58:48 <Steven> lesser maximize metamagic is 14k
59:05 <Avatar> the problem with rods is they are only 3/day
59:09 <Steven> lets you cast 3 spells per day of up to 3rd level
59:15 <Avatar> for blasting, that's shit
59:21 <Avatar> for healing it's fine with a rod of reach
59:34 <Steven> depends on what spells you're looking to throw out.
59:54 <Avatar> do you how much persistent is off the top of your head?
00:25 <Steven> for an opening salvo especially with your build, you dont need but 1-2 of those a day anyways.
00:56 <Steven> then pepper away with magic missiles while the barbarians and what not clean up.
01:25 <Steven> persistant is a +2
01:42 <Steven> and really it is better to just get a staff of the master, necromancy.
02:11 <Steven> the rod is Price 9,000 gp (lesser), 32,500 gp (normal), 73,000 gp (greater);
02:55 <Avatar> I can't use that bloodline for a good staff yo
03:03 <Avatar> I need a new exploit now
03:12 <Steven> the staff of the master is 30k, it doesnt cost much.
03:22 <Avatar> mate I have never had 30k on my person on a character
03:23 <Steven> get the exploit that lets you pick a metamagic.
03:32 <Avatar> I already have that
03:43 <Steven> isnt that one you can pick multiple times?
03:55 <Avatar> oh wait, I thought I did
04:04 <Avatar> maybe I removed it when I removed metamixing
04:21 <Steven> Metamagic Knowledge: The arcanist can select one metamagic feat as a bonus feat. She must meet the prerequisites of this feat.
04:41 <Avatar> yeah that is like the rogue talent combat trick
04:46 <Avatar> except for metamagic
04:59 <Avatar> still need a bit of a strat there
05:33 <Steven> the staff of the master is pretty OP... save up and buy that.
06:04 <Avatar> mate my guy is level 3
06:15 <Avatar> that is distantttt future
06:20 <Steven> so... what else you gonna spend the cash on?
06:23 <Avatar> I can't get an arcane bond
06:28 <Avatar> spellz
06:43 <Avatar> I don't know, this is about as far as I got with my last wizard before mekkis killed him
07:20 <Steven> well, let me pull up my wizard and i'll see what gear he has.
09:51 <Steven> he is the only wizard i have outside of a homebrew/AP, where you dont get options really one what gear you get to have
12:40 <Steven> brb, dogs gotta go out.
34:34 <Steven> alrighty, back.
35:34 <Steven> so my wizard bought a headband of intellect and a sehidron medallion
35:55 <Steven> then a chair the floats, which gave no mechanical benefit, just fun roleplay.
36:09 <Steven> then i bought 4 atonement.
36:18 <Steven> a headband upgrade
36:23 <Steven> another atonement
36:31 <Steven> upgrade to +6
36:37 <Steven> some spells learned
36:48 <Steven> and then +1 spellstoring ceremonial silken armor
36:53 <Steven> then another atonement
37:01 <Steven> and then a staff of the master.
37:43 <Steven> so really i didnt spend much.
37:50 <Steven> but my character is OP as fuck.
41:58 <Avatar> why are you buying so many atonements
43:53 <Steven> he is a necromancer.
44:19 <Steven> he really shouldnt be LN, he should be LE>
46:23 <s_gmusic> please look at the table/chart for Improved Familiar as listed in the CRB. it specifically says "Arcane Spellcaster Level"
47:43 <s_gmusic> I showed all the feats and everything as printed in the books (not using d20pfsrd or another digital source) to my VL and a few others with better system mastery than me and they all agree you would take the -2 penalty
49:09 <Mekkis> honesty, I beleve
49:27 <Mekkis> mark the amount in Gold Spent on the requesite chronicle
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22:22 <Steven> loophole found and exploited.
22:28 <Steven> oh yeah!
27:48 <Avatar> but then you can't track it
27:59 <Avatar> the point of the ITS was so you don't have to record it 
28:04 <Avatar> on the chronicle
29:06 <Avatar> I keep telling myself I'm going to include a tracking section on my character sheet but I keep forgetting to do it that way and opening the shitty PDF instead, which makes me not want to fill it out
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31:47 <Mekkis> the point of the ITS was so that they didn't need the "items bought" and "items sold" fields on the chronicle sheets
31:58 <Mekkis> That is all.
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34:47 <Avatar> but it's still there
34:54 <Avatar> it was there before the 25g rule came in
35:33 <Lintor> herro
38:17 <Mekkis> what? The 25gp rule came in with the ITS
44:09 <Avatar> no it was brought in during the preview week after people complained
45:23 <Avatar> mike actually asked the question to everyone in a post
46:21 <Mekkis> what was that?
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54:33 <Mekkis> ?horn
54:34 <diebot> Mekkis, http://nl.ti4200.info/~mekkis/horn_fortified.svg
55:07 <Avatar> if items less than 25gp didn't have to be recorded
56:31 <Mekkis> that was a compromise to placate people who were bitching about it
57:06 <Avatar> yeah
57:25 <Mekkis> you still need to spend the money.
02:41 <Mekkis> !item talons of leng
02:45 <diebot> Mekkis, TALONS OF LENG [strong transmutation] CL:15 hands 67000gp, 1lb
02:45 <diebot> Finely laid gold filigree lines these ornately worked talons. Once donned, the talons of Leng grant the wearer a natural claw attack with each hand that deal 1d4 points of damage for a Medium wearer, or 1d3 points of damage for a Small wearer. These claw attacks have a +3 enhancement bonus on attack and damage rolls. On a critical hit, the target
02:46 <diebot> must succeed at a DC 20 Will save or become permanently confused as per the insanity spell. This is a mind-affecting effect. The wearer of the talons of Leng is immune to effects that grant the confused condition. For as long as she wears the talons, however, her Wisdom is reduced by 2, as alien voices constantly whisper through her head. The
02:46 <diebot> talons of Leng do not interfere with spellcasting, the use of handheld items, or wielding weapons. Source: Ultimate Equipment
05:41 <Mekkis> interesting
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05:51 <Mekkis> They're not legal from UE
06:10 <Mekkis> But they are legal - and identical - in Rise of the Runelords
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09:13 <Avatar> that sounds like an oversight
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31:35 <Mekkis> yeah, probably
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40:27 <Damalon01> hi all
40:31 <Avatar> yo
40:36 <Avatar> felcor was on
40:50 <Avatar> I emailed him at like 8.30 in case he needed a few hours to see it, and he came in pretty much straight away
41:01 <Avatar> he was on roll20 for a wihle but now he's gone
41:18 <Avatar> bazz is on roll20
42:36 <Damalon01> okey thanks
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59:24 <Mekkis> I just realised that stuff downloaded in 2011 doesn't have an order number on the watermark
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32:52 <Mekkis> Hmm... Should I break out the Ultimate Familiar
33:02 <Mekkis> !feat improved familiar
33:03 <diebot> Mekkis, IMPROVED FAMILIAR []Prereq:  Ability to acquire a new familiar, compatible alignment, sufficiently high level (see below).  This feat allows you to acquire a powerful familiar, but only when you could normally acquire a new familiar.
33:04 <diebot> Benefit:  When choosing a familiar, the creatures listed below are also available to you. You may choose a familiar with an alignment up to one step away on each alignment axis (lawful through chaotic, good through evil). Improved familiars otherwise use the rules for regular familiars, with two exceptions: if the creature's type is something
33:04 <diebot> other than animal, its type does not change; and improved familiars do not gain the ability to speak with other creatures of their kind (although many of them already have the ability to communicate). Source: Core
34:57 <Mekkis> !hp 8d8m2
34:58 <diebot> Mekkis, 59
51:58 <Mekkis> have they released staves of the master for other schools yet?
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54:54 <Mekkis> PFY: "You want me to count these washers?"
54:54 <Mekkis> PHB: "Yes."
54:54 <Mekkis> PFY: "Really count a bag full of washers?"
54:54 <Mekkis> PHB: "Yes, we must have a complete and accurate record of our inventory."
54:54 <Mekkis> Bin: "Clonk."
54:54 <Mekkis> PFY: "We have 0 washers."
54:56 <Mekkis> PHB: "Did you just throw that bag of washers in the bin?"
54:58 <Mekkis> PFY: "Yes. I will order a bag of 1000 tomorrow. It will be cheaper than counting them."
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