// #d&d — 2014-09-19
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19:32:00 <Mekkis> I did not realise how cheap chainmail is
19:44:51 <Avatar> it's not that good, is it
19:47:47 <Avatar> agile breastplate's the medium armor you want
20:02:27 <Mekkis> not ingame.
20:02:38 <Mekkis> I mean if you wanted to buy it
20:04:30 <Mekkis> on ebay
20:05:06 <Brunius> depends on quality
20:05:43 <Mekkis> the cheapest, obv
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20:47:52 <Steven> !roll 1d72
20:48:03 <Steven> !throw 1d72
20:48:04 <diebot> Steven, 1d72: [1d72=54] 54
20:50:07 <Steven> !throw 1d72
20:50:07 <diebot> Steven, 1d72: [1d72=1] 1
21:00:00 <Mekkis> Steven, any suggestions for not overpowering SNA VI?
21:01:20 <Steven> no
21:01:49 <Steven> pretty much if you're getting to that level of spells things get wacky and just not fun.
21:02:02 <Steven> like irresistable Dance
21:03:13 <Steven> save or you dance for 1d4+1 rounds... during your turn anyone that threatens you get to take an AoO
21:03:44 <Steven> so.... their turn they walk over, attack you... your turn they get an AoO... their turn they full attack and kill you.
21:04:03 <Steven> on a save the dancing is reduced to 1 round.
21:06:03 <Steven> my players are pretty stupidly powerful.
21:06:29 <Steven> swashbuckler hits people with a rapier 1d6+32 damage.
21:06:39 <Mekkis> I'm worried about outpacing the rest of the party.
21:07:06 <Steven> crits on 15-20... seriously no reason for them to fight anyone but karzoug at this point, as he is the only one that could possibly challenge them.
21:07:58 <Steven> first attack without fighting defensively or with power attack is like +42 to hit.
21:08:52 <Mekkis> What level are they?
21:09:35 <Steven> level 16
21:10:52 <Steven> its okay, it is only worse when he crits... cause then its like 80 damage.
21:11:12 <Steven> and he now gets like 5 attacks in a round.
21:11:52 <Steven> and then when someone attacks him without reach he parry and reposts and gets another attack on them.
21:12:16 <Mekkis> Seems wrong.
21:12:33 <Mekkis> Is this the same guy who made the guy in Righteous?
21:13:18 <Steven> its just really annoying when you have combats that have 1-2 creatures and one of them gets irresistable danced and the other just flat looses to action economy because his support is too busy dancing
21:14:24 <Steven> so most fights are going, roll initiative... who got about a 22 initative... oh everyone because you've all taken improved initative and are dex based.... cool... everyone delays until arcanist goes she irresistable dances
21:14:44 <Steven> cleric goes blessing of fervor
21:15:16 <Steven> melee goes and kills the irresistable dance guy... archer peppers the other guy for like 150 or so damage.
21:15:24 <Steven> fight ends.
21:15:43 <Steven> that is literally how every fight went tonight.
21:15:59 <Steven> no... thats not true.
21:16:17 <Steven> they fought a dragon... and i was like you get the feeling that irresistable dance wont work on a dragon.
21:16:44 <Steven> and they were like "But its a living targe..... oh... okay. I getcha."
21:17:12 <Mekkis> Are you going to modify the encounters so they're more appropriate?
21:17:16 <Steven> at which point i full rounded the barbarian for the lulz and managed to drop him to negative hp.
21:17:24 <Steven> and then they killed the dragon.
21:17:30 <Steven> but hey... it lasted a round
21:18:06 <Steven> i'm modifying the karzoug right now.
21:18:27 <Steven> because the next several encounters are 1 character encounters.
21:18:35 <Steven> well 1 npc encounters
21:18:59 <Steven> so there is no point in running them because they have created a private demiplane and have nap stack.
21:19:30 <Steven> so they will just irresistable dance... murder hobo it before it gets to go.
21:19:48 <Steven> and if they get low... jump into the demiplane.
21:19:58 <Steven> low on spells that is.
21:21:00 <Mekkis> Give Karzog a companion who's fine. Who can cast AMF.
21:21:25 <Steven> karzog comes with homies.
21:21:39 <Mekkis> Fine as in the size.
21:22:39 <Steven> he comes swingin with himself, an adult blue dragon, 2 stone giants and 1 rune giant.
21:23:01 <Mekkis> Give him a fly with an AMF on it.
21:23:06 <Steven> i think i'm going to change the blue dragon to something else.
21:23:16 <Steven> maybe a time dragon.
21:23:32 <Mekkis> Why don't you just throw the Paragon template on Karzog?
21:24:11 <Steven> i was just gonna make him mythic with some tiers.
21:24:17 <Steven> like 3-4 tiers.
21:24:27 <Steven> let him rock out with some mythic spells.
21:25:29 <Steven> oh god... maybe not.
21:25:44 <Mekkis> Paragon is easier
21:26:00 <Steven> quickened baleful polymorph dc30
21:26:22 <Mekkis> Spell resistance equal to the paragon creature’s CR +25. If the creature already possesses spell resistance, use whichever is higher.
21:28:25 <Mekkis> What about a Prismatic Dragon?
21:29:24 <Steven> ill look it up
21:29:32 <Mekkis> Breath Weapon (Su)
21:29:32 <Mekkis> A prismatic dragon has one type of breath weapon, a prismatic spray effect. The breath weapon’s cone is of the size indicated by the dragon’s size, not the normal cone for the spell.
21:30:22 <Steven> i dunno... karzoug already has prismatic wall.
21:30:37 <Mekkis> http://www.d20srd.org/srd/epic/monsters/dragonEpic.htm#prismaticDragon
21:34:58 <Steven> you know... I'm not going to modify karzoug at all.
21:35:56 <Steven> I'm just going to make him fight until the soul lens is destroyed
21:36:17 <Mekkis> This is starting to verge on spoilers
21:36:28 <Mekkis> I'm currently playing RotR...
21:36:35 <Mekkis> ….…......
21:36:41 <Steven> dont worry
21:36:50 <Steven> i'll stop discussing it.
21:37:12 <Steven> i didnt know you were in a RotRl game.
21:37:15 <Steven> sorry man
21:40:22 <Mekkis> Yeah, I'm having the issue of possibly becoming too powerful
21:40:41 <Steven> it is really easy at high level.
21:41:04 <Mekkis> I've been spending most of my gold on random stuff...
21:41:11 <Steven> for casters especially... pick certain spells and you just throw things so far into your favor.
21:41:26 <Mekkis> looks like my next purchase will be scrolls of permanancy
21:41:38 <Steven> waves of ecstasy
21:41:49 <Steven> irresistible dance
21:42:13 <Mekkis> I don't need help getting more powerful. I'm First-world summoning
21:42:27 <Mekkis> SNA6 seems to be all the offense I need at the moment
21:44:53 <Steven> summoning in general is a pretty powerful option.
21:51:48 <Mekkis> I know. Fenisten brought scrolls of Summon Monster V and VI to Bonekeep 3
21:53:44 <Avatar> I would just build a gunslinger
21:54:19 <Steven> maybe i should build a gunslinger for my Kingmaker game thats coming up.
21:54:38 <Mekkis> For what? bonekeep?
21:55:02 <Avatar> no just in general
21:55:04 <Avatar> I like gunslingers
21:55:16 <Steven> they are alright.
21:55:21 <Avatar> I think I've only seen one other one apart from mine
21:55:29 <Avatar> and that's ulzef's sword and pistol guy
21:55:41 <Avatar> that was in only one scenario and I dont' know what he did with it
21:56:07 <Steven> we've some new guys that just showed up at the shop, all of them just found the gunslinger class and all of them have decided that the gunslinger is the coolest thing ever and so they all plan on building one.
21:56:12 <Mekkis> that's because they're cheesy. And you're lucky to be in a place that discourages that.
21:56:30 <Avatar> my gunslinger isn't cheesy
21:56:39 <Avatar> there is nothing more satisfying than rolling one of my attacks and yelling MISFIRE!
21:56:42 <Steven> every gunslinger is cheesy... you're firing vs touch.
21:56:54 <Avatar> it's just a game of luck
21:56:58 <Avatar> luxk of the die
21:57:12 <Avatar> I played a very unlucky game in one of mekkis' ones
21:57:17 <Avatar> where none of my shots were working
21:58:03 <Avatar> people just don't understand the complexity of firearms.
21:58:29 <Mekkis> What complexity?
21:59:03 <Mekkis> "Blessed are the young, for they shall inherit the national debt."
22:04:08 <Steven> I'm really quite unenthused about the characters ive built for my kingmaker game
22:05:17 <Mekkis> what kind of kingdom do you have in mind?
22:05:52 <Mekkis> should try and create a second cheliax. Bunch of diabolists running amuck
22:05:57 <Steven> I'm not leading this game.
22:06:17 <Steven> I led the group in Wrath of the Righteous.
22:06:40 <Steven> We've kind of decided that our friend david is going to be leading the kingdom
22:07:07 <Steven> he has created an amalgam of fuck...
22:07:54 <Mekkis> Play a cleric of Calistra. That should suit
22:08:14 <Steven> a Scion of Humanity Aasimar Crossblooded Draconic Abyssal Sorcerer
22:08:32 <Steven> that will probably be going into Dragon Disciple
22:08:47 <Avatar> a misfire breaks your full attack pattern
22:09:06 <Avatar> so if you misfire on 1-3, and you have 3 or 4 attacks per round, that's pretty huge
22:09:25 <Avatar> eventually you will run out of grit if it happens often enough, and at that point you're screwed
22:10:11 <Steven> um.... a misfire doesnt break your full attack action... a misfire gives a gun the broken condition and increases the misfire chance by 2 for gunslingers...
22:10:14 <Mekkis> Mitigate it.
22:10:17 <Steven> you can still continue to attack
22:10:22 <Steven> you just might blow up your gun.
22:10:33 <Steven> if you misfire again.
22:13:44 <Steven> anyways... the slots open for kingmaker are Councilor, General, Grand Diplomat, High Priest, Magister, Marshal, Royal Assassin, Spymaster,Treasurer, and Warden
22:14:14 <Steven> i think walter is taking General and erin was going to go with marshal.
22:14:33 <Steven> or maybe it was warden
22:14:48 <Steven> i dont really remember to well, i had a migraine at the time when they were discussing this.
22:15:36 <Steven> I made a royal assassin... but frankly anytime someone plays an assassin all the other players immediately distrust that character for the most part.
22:16:00 <Steven> and yeah...
22:18:54 <Steven> oh man.... so maybe i should make a con man.
22:19:25 <Steven> Get a really crazy bluff score... get put in charge of the finances because I've got profession accountant.
22:19:46 <Steven> wait till the kingdom has collected 80-100k gold.... BAM steal it all.
22:20:20 <Steven> man would that piss some people off.
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22:51:42 <Steven> Well i built a character.
22:51:51 <Steven> now i just need a backstory that does eat ass.
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22:56:53 <Mekkis> Steven, seems good. I'd go for 'Religious fanatic'
22:57:14 <Mekkis> Spend the gold on hiring some celestial (or diabolic) bodyguards
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22:58:25 <Mekkis> or go Grand Diplomat, and go all Molotov on them
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23:07:00 <Steven> the soviet diplomat or the bomb?
23:12:05 <Mekkis> the diplomat
23:19:55 <Avatar> Steven: you never ever risk blowing up your gun
23:20:13 <Avatar> i said you were screwed if you run out of grit, that's not strictly true
23:20:19 <Avatar> you are screwed if you misfire after misfiring
23:20:32 <Avatar> really screwed
23:20:46 <Mekkis> Alternatively, suppose you’re in a food court and start picking food off people's plates; they'll take their food back and tell you to leave them alone. However, if you dash through the food court with a wheelbarrow, tossing everyone's food into it, yelling, "Quickly! All your food in here! No time to explain!"...
23:21:06 <Mekkis> does the gun actually get blown up? Can it be repaired with Make Whole?
23:21:34 <Avatar> it's destroyed I think, I'm not sure what the limits are of make whole
23:21:35 <Steven> non magical ones blow up.
23:21:50 <Steven> magical ones are wrecked requiring some serious repair.
23:22:12 <Avatar> generally you don't even risk it even if you're out of grit
23:26:05 <s_gmusic> if it's non-magical, Mending should work. if it's magical, it requires Make Whole.
23:27:22 <Steven> i just always carry a backup weapon and pick up quickdraw on my gunslingers.
23:27:44 <Steven> oh i misfired... quickdraw second weapon, continue firing.
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