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31:31 <mort-> Night all
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53:27 <Ballig> I notice canine never showed up !
01:35 <Brunius> That jerk
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53:04 * Mort- wuhs
13:33 <Hydrazine> wuh
15:45 * Mort- is still reading on funniest death encounters
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16:09 <AndChat|> And
16:25 <AndChat|> He laughed his stomach out
16:30 <Hydrazine> normal
16:35 <AndChat|> Why
16:38 <AndChat|> That's mean
16:41 <Hydrazine> i do that like twice a weak
16:46 <Hydrazine> week even
16:49 <AndChat|> He said he did it on both sides
16:59 <AndChat|> As in on player and gm side :p
17:43 <AndChat|> He said i wasnt wrong to want to charge on the bridge :p
17:57 <AndChat|> On more serious note.
18:07 <AndChat|> What are the checks you need to do
18:10 <AndChat|> On swimming
18:18 <AndChat|> I've never swam in armor
18:27 <AndChat|> Something tells me its a bad idea
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19:59 <Hydrazine> passing a swim check lets you move 1/4th speed.
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20:09 <Hydrazine> failing by 4 or under is failing to move at all.
20:17 <mort-> What is the check
20:20 <Hydrazine> failing by 5 or more is going underwater.
20:22 <mort-> I want to know
20:24 <Hydrazine> 10 in calm.
20:33 <Hydrazine> 15 rough, 20 or more stormy.
20:49 <mort-> Id say that river was rough?
21:04 <mort-> Anyway. Going under water
21:10 <mort-> Worse case scenario
21:32 <mort-> You have twice the number of rounds under water?
21:41 <mort-> Of your constitution?
21:49 <Hydrazine> before you start to drown. yes
22:19 <Hydrazine> assuming you only do movement and free actions.
22:31 <Hydrazine> its half as much if you take full actions
22:44 <mort-> So what's the likely hood of falling a 15 dc check in a row
22:56 <mort-> What happens if you try to cast under water
23:11 <Hydrazine> ...can you speak?
23:25 <Hydrazine> or cast the spell without speech?
23:29 <mort-> Not sure what the rules of under water combat are
23:32 <mort-> Probably not
23:48 <mort-> So it means no casting under water
24:05 <mort-> Swimming is movement action?
24:21 <Hydrazine> if you can cast it without speaking, probably possible.
24:31 <mort-> It means everyone is crippled while under water
25:18 <Hydrazine> especially mages.
26:01 <mort-> Casters can't cast
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27:47 <mort-> Back
28:46 <Hydrazine> why you so disconnect?
29:02 <mort-> How about clinch
29:05 <mort-> Climbing
29:48 <mort-> Because I'm in a train
29:48 <mort-> Blame being underground
30:13 <Hydrazine> lots of different dcs for different situations.
31:14 <mort-> Explain
31:22 <mort-> And the consequences for failure
37:44 * mort- wuhs some
39:46 <mort-> Alyssa, torture is NEVER a "good deed," no matter the circumstance surrounding it. Just because the victim of torture is evil doesn't make torture good.
39:58 <mort-> Urgh. Why i can never be a paladin
41:51 * mort- feels like being evil and grows horns
55:15 <Avatar> mort you need to change your alternate nick on andchat
56:09 <Avatar> alternate nickS, you get 3 choices
09:00 <Hydrazine> its pretty similar to swim.
09:25 <Hydrazine> success means you can move at quarter speed. low fail means you just stay there. bad fail means you fall the fuck off.
00:23 <Avatar> for some reason I thought climb was half-speed
12:49 <Hydrazine> at -5.
16:24 <Mekkis> I think climb and swim shouldn't require rolls for just climbing or swimming
16:44 <Mekkis> just like Fly doesn't require a roll unless you're trying to do something difficult
29:50 <mort-> Well the last time i was climbing up a ship mast
29:59 <mort-> Well.
30:06 <mort-> 30 ft up in the air
30:13 <mort-> I wonder what i was thinking off
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41:42 <Hydrazine> hey Space
42:55 <Hydrazine> well, its different, Mort.
43:25 <Hydrazine> a bird flies all the time. a fish swims allllll the time. how do we move around? we walk.
43:42 <Mekkis> a bird has a fly speed
43:47 <Mekkis> a fish has a swim speed
43:58 <Hydrazine> exactly.
44:11 <Hydrazine> humanoids don't have climb/swim/fly speeds.
44:21 <Mekkis> swimming and climbing for someone without such a speed probably shouldn't be attempted in-combat
44:27 <Mekkis> that's pretty much what the rules say
44:41 <Hydrazine> if we did.. it would be representing more experience in those types of movement, and thus we wouldn't need to roll all the time.
45:10 <Mekkis> if you're not doing it in combat, you should be taking 10
45:42 <Hydrazine> and i think i could generalize that all healthy humans learn how to walk. but not everyone learns how to swim.
46:16 <Hydrazine> or climb.
46:29 <mort-> Dude
46:35 <mort-> One scenario
46:51 <mort-> We had to climb on a ship mast :p
46:54 <Hydrazine> if its that easy, mort.. go find yourself something tall and a rope IRL and see how easy you go up 40 feet of it.
47:00 <mort-> I can't
47:02 <mort-> I suck
47:11 <mort-> Got 10 str in rl :d
47:52 <Hydrazine> ...then you need to make climb rolls.
48:44 <mort-> Oh yeah
48:49 <mort-> I don't deny it
49:10 <Mekkis> Hydrazine, what?
49:19 <Mekkis> knotted rope against a wall is DC5
49:28 <Mekkis> almost anyone can make it by taking 10
49:38 <Hydrazine> dc 0 against a wall.
50:02 <Hydrazine> dc 5 with either the wall or a knotted rope.
51:23 <mort-> Yeah in combat?
51:24 <mort-> Lol
51:40 <mort-> Sure someone's taking pop shots at not
51:41 <mort-> You
51:55 <Mekkis> then you should "reconsider your need to climb"
52:12 <mort-> Yeah that's why that disaster ^^
53:14 <mort-> CHARGE!!!
02:23 <Mekkis> mort-, what spells did you pick?
02:36 <mort-> Spells for what?
02:42 <Mekkis> 4th level
02:43 <mort-> Dancing lights :p
02:59 <Mekkis> when you level to 4th, you get two second-level spells for free
03:04 <mort-> Glitterdust?
03:10 <mort-> Oh i didn't pick
03:12 <Mekkis> !findchar mort
03:17 <Mekkis> !findchar Mort
03:20 <mort-> Because i didn't know
03:21 <diebot> Mekkis, Character: mort, number: ( http://dnd.ballig.net/viewchar.php5?char= )
03:21 <diebot> Mekkis, Character: Mort, number: 289291( http://dnd.ballig.net/viewchar.php5?char=289291 )
03:37 <mort-> No idea what to grab
03:51 <Mekkis> don't grab anything Mytiazair has
04:17 <mort-> Are you serious i won't die
04:21 <mort-> Before we meet?
04:55 <mort-> If you need a spell
04:58 <mort-> You need it
05:10 <mort-> No bones about it
05:27 <Hydrazine> mort's level 4 now?
05:52 <mort-> And i don't know what myzantir has
05:56 <mort->  And yes
05:58 <mort-> I am
11:06 <mort-> What's the thing
33:21 <Avatar> !findchar mytiazair
33:22 <diebot> Avatar, Character: mytiazair, number: ( http://dnd.ballig.net/viewchar.php5?char= )
33:26 <Avatar> !findchar Mytiazair
33:26 <diebot> Avatar, Character: Mytiazair, number: 148( http://dnd.ballig.net/viewchar.php5?char=148 )
33:53 <Avatar> mytiazair apparently doesn't have any spells
34:02 <Avatar> so what mekkis is saying is you can choose from any spells you like
34:18 <Avatar> must be pretty tough playing a wizard without spells mekkis
34:23 <Avatar> I commend you there
34:30 <Avatar> I think they forgot to include that on the hurt me plenty rules
34:49 <Avatar> play as a wizard...with no spells
37:27 <Spaceshot> btw, It comes up as a character for winterborn for me
40:09 <Avatar> oh you're right
40:45 <Avatar> http://dnd.ballig.net/viewchar.php5?char=284
40:47 <Avatar> still has no spells
41:03 <Spaceshot> because there is no character sheet
41:53 <Avatar> ye
42:07 <Spaceshot> in that theory there is no Mytaizair
43:38 <Avatar> same thing applies, pick any spells you like 
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52:33 <Mekkis> Avatar, since I've never played him on here...
54:05 <mort-> I know
54:09 <mort-> So how do i know
54:14 <mort-> What spells
54:16 <mort-> You have
54:59 <Avatar> Mekkis: you can hardly tell a player not to choose spells you have when your sheet isn't uploaded
55:39 <Spaceshot> and why not choose spells you have? not like you'll ever play him in here anyway
04:18 <mort-> He will
04:32 <mort-> Once we hit tier 5-9 scenarios
09:04 <Spaceshot> do extracts count as casting?
09:51 <Hydrazine> i don't know alchemists yet.
11:38 <Spaceshot> well if they do for prerequisites then vivisectionist alchemist level 4/arcane trickster level 8 for PFS XD
15:53 <Hydrazine> ask me again once I go read alchemists.
16:03 <Hydrazine> Chances are I'll get around to it sometime.
17:12 <mort-> Actually i was looking at inquisitors
17:29 <mort-> I won't play a spelless class i think
17:43 <mort-> Do van helshing :p
18:02 <mort-> Why do all my characters come out of movies? :(
18:20 <mort-> Khaz was supposed to be ardeth bay
18:24 <mort-> From the mummy
18:28 <Hydrazine> Because you're asian.
18:37 <mort-> But he is taking a rather dark turn
18:38 <Spaceshot> and he's clearly rasist XD
18:50 <mort-> If i wanted to do ardeth bay
18:56 <mort-> I need a hawk familiar
19:41 <Hydrazine> Why?
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20:33 <mort-> And i shouldn't be using infernal healing
20:46 <mort-> Because ardeth bay from the mummy
20:52 <mort-> Has a hawk!
20:59 <mort-> Didn't you watch the movie?
21:12 <Hydrazine> Been a few years.
22:17 <mort-> Nub
22:21 <mort-> Its a classic
22:38 <mort-> I think i like the mummy part2 better though
22:45 <mort-> But mummy3 sucked
22:48 <Mekkis> 2nd Blur, Cat’s Grace, Alter Self, False Life,
22:48 <Mekkis>     Invisibilty, Scorching Ray, Hideous Laughter,
22:48 <Mekkis>     Flaming Sphere, Fire Breath, Touch of Idiocy,
22:48 <Mekkis>     Web, Bull’s Strength, Pyrotechnics, Levitate,
22:48 <Mekkis>     Fog Cloud, Locate Object, Glitterdust,
22:48 <Mekkis>     Blindness/deafness
22:54 <Avatar-> no idea what that means
23:26 <Hydrazine> spells I think.
23:37 <Avatar-> don't take any of the good spells
23:39 <Spaceshot> no idea where half those spells are from though
23:43 <Avatar-> mekkis has them
24:57 <Spaceshot> yea hope you don't want your level 2 spells to be useful
25:04 <Spaceshot> well, you can take acid arrow
25:08 <Spaceshot> that's about all that's left XD
25:23 <Avatar-> that's hilarious
26:03 <Mekkis> Summon Swarm
26:53 <mort-> I already took scorching ray glitterdust
26:55 <Spaceshot> well that's nice for mort, leave the good spels :P
26:57 <mort-> And hideous laughter
27:16 <mort-> You do what you must when the devil driver
27:17 <Mekkis> Stone Call
27:19 <mort-> Drives
27:51 <Mekkis> stone call is good
27:54 <Mekkis> damage, no save
28:02 <Mekkis> and battlefield control
28:16 <Mekkis> good against people riding rocs
28:21 <mort-> Hard to use i think
28:27 <Spaceshot> from which book?
28:30 <Mekkis> APG
28:32 <mort-> Might land on allies
28:47 <mort-> I really can't imagine playing my magus in live
28:59 <mort-> I need like 4-5 books :d
29:42 <mort-> I also wouldn't know how to conduct myself at a pfs table
29:52 <Hydrazine> Or around people in general?
30:07 <mort-> Hi. My name is most. I'm a mouse lemur with a stump
30:07 <Spaceshot> haha
30:12 <Spaceshot> XD
30:22 <mort-> Because ballig chopped off my tail
30:24 <Hydrazine> What about bull's strength?
30:32 <Spaceshot> thawng needs UC and Ava needs APG and UM
30:34 <mort-> Its in his list
30:50 <mort-> I will take cats grace
30:56 <mort-> Eagle splendor maybe
31:16 <Spaceshot> he's got cat's grace
31:44 <mort-> Mirror image ?
31:53 <mort-> My dear magus has to get it
32:06 <mort-> But mort and khaz can never meet :(
32:32 <mort-> Actually they can.
32:47 <mort-> I can't imagine an enlarged magus though :p
33:03 <mort-> Someone has to play mort/khaz
34:11 <Mekkis> they can never meet
36:10 <mort-> Sigh
36:23 <mort-> I can't rent characters out? :p
36:42 <mort-> In ddo we used to rent our characters out
36:58 <mort-> Like the group pally might play my cleric
37:09 <mort-> And i might spend a day as a rogue :p
40:18 <Mekkis> pfs isn't an MMO
41:13 <Spaceshot> that reminds me, still have to work on the shadowrun sandbox
42:19 <mort-> I don't like being a rogue though
42:21 <Mekkis> @@@@
42:22 <diebot> Mekkis, 1d20: [1d20=18] 18
42:33 <mort-> Everyone expects you to remember where the traps are
42:39 <Mekkis> so
42:47 <Mekkis> when Avatar asks what class you are
42:49 <mort-> And i have a bad memory when it comes to anything directional
42:51 <Mekkis> don't say you're a rogue
43:04 <mort-> I'm directionally challenged
43:05 <Spaceshot> in DDO?
43:12 <mort-> Every where
43:22 <Mekkis> actually
43:29 <mort-> In real life as well
43:39 <Mekkis> whenever Avatar asks what class you are, don't tell the truth
43:45 <mort-> I have an awful sense of direction
44:14 <mort-> I'm like the bum who will get lost
44:28 <mort-> And slow the progress of the group
44:39 <mort-> I don't want to. But it just happens
44:58 <Spaceshot> Mekkis: doex alchemist extracts count as arcane spell casting for prerequisites?
45:05 <Mekkis> I think so
45:09 <mort-> If you tell me to jump
45:16 <mort-> Ill probably miss the jump
45:23 <mort-> Lol
45:25 <mort-> Clumsy
45:30 <Spaceshot> sweet, vivisectionist alchemist 4/arcane trickster 8 in PFS
46:05 <mort-> And mek :(
46:36 <mort-> Last scenario we saved a gnome :(
47:00 * mort- is sad
48:35 <Mekkis> didn't it make you feel good about yourself
48:47 <Hydrazine> no, Jerus saved a gnome.
48:51 <Hydrazine> you ran the fuck away.
49:00 <mort-> No. That gnome was a flappy mouth
49:04 <mort-> I say we all did
49:19 <mort-> Hey we had to kill the baddies? :p
49:29 <mort-> And yes i ran from a fire
49:46 <mort-> I have a healthy sense of self preservation
50:00 <Hydrazine> meanwhile I charged in to save the gnome. You know, so we could actually complete the mission.
50:07 <mort-> I know
50:14 <mort-> You did the right thing
50:21 <mort-> Since one person was already on it
50:32 <mort-> I see no reason how we could help you
51:06 <mort-> More people would just mess up the positioning
51:08 <mort-> I think
52:37 <Hydrazine> I'm actually making some progress on this monk.
52:54 <mort-> Yeah i ran :d
53:13 <mort-> Are you ashamed of me?:p
53:21 <Mekkis> I am
53:31 <Hydrazine> Eh. Good time for it really.
53:35 <mort-> No. Mek has no say.
53:47 <mort-> Your allowed to hydra
54:30 <mort-> What do you guys think of inquisitors :p
54:57 <Hydrazine> ask me again when i read them?
54:58 <mort-> I just feel like having a perverse pleasure trying stuff people usually don't
55:04 <mort-> Ok :d
55:28 <mort-> You can tie a guy up in 3 rounds correct?
55:41 <mort-> That includes animals?
55:44 <mort-> While grappling
55:58 <Hydrazine> 3 rounds best case.
56:06 <mort-> You cannot take aoos?
56:10 <Mekkis> mort-, so, start punching your venture captain
56:13 <Hydrazine> until level 4.
56:16 <mort-> People can move around you fine?
56:20 <mort-> What?
56:28 <mort-> He is a gnome? :p
56:33 <Mekkis> <?grappled
56:34 <diebot> A grappled creature is restrained by a creature, trap, or effect. Grappled creatures cannot move and take a 4 penalty to Dexterity. A grappled creature takes a 2 penalty on all attack rolls and combat maneuver checks, except those made to grapple or escape a grapple. In addition, grappled creatures can take no action
56:34 <diebot> that requires two hands to perform. A grappled character who attempts to cast a spell or use a spell-like ability must make a concentration check (DC 10 + grappler's CMB + spell level), or lose the spell. Grappled creatures cannot make attacks of opportunity. // A grappled creature cannot use Stealth to hide from the
56:34 <diebot> creature grappling it, even if a special ability, such as hide in plain sight, would normally allow it to do so. If a grappled creature becomes invisible, through a spell or other ability, it gains a +2 circumstance bonus on its CMD to avoid being grappled, but receives no other benefit.
56:59 <Mekkis> Grappled creatures cannot make attacks of opportunity.
57:16 <mort-> Besides. My characters don't hate gnomes
57:20 <mort-> I do :d
58:05 <Mekkis> no
58:25 <Mekkis> it's just that if your character punches your venture captain
58:36 <Mekkis> the DM has to improvise
58:39 <mort-> Have you seen any of my characters be rude to a gnome?
58:39 <Mekkis> and Avatar HATES that!
59:18 <Mekkis> mort-, it's hard to tell whether you're speaking as Mort, the elvish wizard, or Mort, the Singaporean Office Administrator
59:42 <mort-> Lol
59:53 <mort-> I'm myself in the office now :p
59:54 <Hydrazine> I just stopped trying to make a distinction.
00:09 <mort-> Look. Mort follows bobbob like a puppy
01:25 <Hydrazine> Ava did that to Jerus.
02:12 <mort-> Lol
02:28 <mort-> So mort the elf doesn't hate gnomes
02:41 <mort-> Mort the office adminstrator
02:51 <mort-> Likes to punt gnomes :p
03:50 <Spaceshot> healers follow the meatshield
03:55 <Spaceshot> it's very common knowledge
04:04 <Hydrazine> but you lifelinked snake!
04:12 <Spaceshot> that was true
04:24 <Hydrazine> still think we woulda pwnd that alley if you linked jerus instead.
04:35 <Spaceshot> but that's because if I lifelink the person who's going to be the main target, then I get screwed faster
04:45 <mort-> Snake is not squishy
04:49 <mort-> Far from it
05:00 <mort-> He is actually tougher then most tanks
05:13 <Spaceshot> I think I lifelinked the caster
05:15 <Spaceshot> not snake
05:30 <Spaceshot> brunius' wizard he was playing
05:35 <Hydrazine> hmm.
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05:38 <Hydrazine> maybe?
05:40 <Hydrazine> pregen wizzie?
05:45 <mort-> Erzen
05:46 <Spaceshot> yea that one
05:50 <Spaceshot> I lifelinked him
05:57 <mort-> I remember everything plainly
05:59 <Hydrazine> Why don't you bring out Ava more?
06:00 <Spaceshot> and that almost got me downed :P
06:07 <Spaceshot> because that would involve me playing here more XD
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06:23 <Hydrazine> ....so wheres the problem?
06:29 <Spaceshot> and unless mekkis has stop being nazi about requiring the material
06:31 <Spaceshot> XD
06:43 <mort-> I personally think
06:48 <Spaceshot> it's because I usually sleep in on weekends, or go out doing stuff (don't know why that part XD)
06:54 <mort-> That.
07:26 <mort-> Divine casters were mostly given heavier armor
07:37 <Spaceshot> stuck with medium XD
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07:43 <mort-> Because they need to be close  to fighting to heal the tank
07:56 <Spaceshot> not once I get rod of reach
08:00 <mort-> Compare a wizard with a cleric
08:13 <Hydrazine> whats that do? let you cure at rance?
08:53 <mort-> You know there is this cool feat called lunge
08:58 <Spaceshot> lets you cast 3 spells a day through it at one range increment higher
09:10 <Spaceshot> touch>close>medium>long
09:24 <mort-> That increases your range by 5 ft
09:30 <mort-> At the cost of 2 a2
09:33 <mort-> Ac
09:34 <Hydrazine> i guess it depends on which one's more valueable, or easier to get to.
09:39 <Hydrazine> between feats and money.
09:46 <mort-> I don't think it works for aoos though
10:12 <Spaceshot> close is 25ft+5ft/level
10:38 <Spaceshot> lunge is overrated XD
10:45 <Spaceshot> money :P
10:46 <Hydrazine> who uses lunge?
11:15 <mort-> Not sure.
11:25 <mort-> I could spell combat
11:30 <mort-> From 10 ft away
11:34 <Avatar> what's lunge
11:39 <mort-> Is that cool or what
11:46 <mort-> Increase your reach by 5 ft
11:51 <mort-> For 2 ac
11:59 <mort-> Then i 5 ft step off
12:22 <Hydrazine> hmmmm..
12:26 <Spaceshot> I still have to make a CRB only character for sunday at blackburn
12:34 <Hydrazine> so...a spring attack monk with sporpion style.
12:48 <mort-> Lol
12:49 <Hydrazine> ...woah.
12:54 <mort-> I'm thinking for magus
13:04 <mort-> So i don't have to get close to melee
13:06 <mort-> ^^
13:16 <Hydrazine> stick a guy with 10 ft total movement and be 20 ft away.
13:34 <Hydrazine> gonna go up to monkey lunge too?
13:53 <mort-> I don't think so haha
14:10 <mort-> But if so the party forgoes a tank
14:20 <mort-> But it seems quite good to keep myself alive with
14:31 <mort-> I wonder if it works on aoos
14:35 <mort-> The lunge range
14:40 <Hydrazine> hmm.
14:47 <Hydrazine> i should do more 5ft steps with jerus.
14:51 <Hydrazine> and not stand and fight.
15:00 <mort-> Yeah
15:12 <mort-> That's how leis and logan flank
15:18 <mort-> Both actively use 5 ft
15:49 <Hydrazine> no, i mean to fight like you're saying.
15:58 <Hydrazine> prevent someone from being able to use a 5ft to melee me.
16:34 <Hydrazine> you can't take lunge for a while though.
17:05 <mort-> Ce?
17:11 <Hydrazine> lunge says it only works during your turn.
17:32 <Hydrazine> so you can't AoO, because thats not on your turn.
17:57 <mort-> Probably won't use it then. Practice more magus ninja wannabe fog tricks
17:59 <mort-> Lol
18:07 <Hydrazine> well. atleast how i'm interpreting.
18:16 <Hydrazine> Maybe you should get some more expert help.
18:40 <mort-> I'm looking at spring loaded
18:47 <mort-> Wrist sheathes
18:48 <Hydrazine> huh?
18:50 <Hydrazine> oh.
18:57 <mort-> Put fog stick in there
19:06 <mort-> Call to hand. Immediate action drop
19:23 <mort-> Spell combat find my friendly cloud
19:54 <Hydrazine> hmm.
20:06 <Hydrazine> i think you get to pick the spot.
20:25 <Hydrazine> says it acts like the fog cloud spell. you get to pick the spot for the spell.
20:30 <mort-> Its my stick
20:57 <mort-> If there were more archers last scenario
21:02 <mort-> I think i would try it
21:18 <mort-> After all its 50 percent range miss chance
21:23 <mort-> Good luck ^^
22:59 <mort-> I wish darkwhite could see me do that though
23:53 <mort-> It'd be so cool. A magus duplicating a ninjas disappearing trick
31:20 <mort-> Still can't think of darkwhite as a ninja
31:38 <mort-> He is like so Flamboyant :p
32:00 <mort-> Aren't ninjas supposed to be sneaky? 
32:14 <mort-> Or maybe its part of the hide in plain sight thing
45:22 <Brunius> Yay for surprise SACs
45:54 <Spaceshot> SAC?
46:05 <Brunius> School Assessed Coursework
46:14 <Spaceshot> heh
46:22 <Brunius> Aw crap
46:31 <Brunius> Bitzbarn is gonna want my signature now
46:47 <Spaceshot> ??
47:50 <Brunius> The post-office-person is gonna need my signature, at least
03:19 <Avatar> anyone know how to make mirc not split the chat line up into two sections
08:12 <Brunius> What?
08:38 <Avatar> mirc can split the chat line into two sections where you can type two different things
08:44 <Avatar> and pressing enter in either of them sends both to the channel
08:53 <Avatar> well, sends that section to the channel
09:02 <Brunius> Never had it
09:09 <Avatar> bit annoying
09:29 <Spaceshot> google it?
10:06 <Brunius> Damn, looks like I'm not getting the paint to finish my valk tonight
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10:34 <Brunius> Sup yeagel
10:35 <yeagel> hi
10:44 <Spaceshot> vallejo?
10:46 <yeagel> at work
10:54 <Brunius> Tamiya :D
10:59 * yeagel goes back to lurking
11:08 <Spaceshot> tamiya?
11:08 <Brunius> You lurker you
11:13 <Brunius> Tamiya
11:25 <Spaceshot> never heard of that brand
11:52 <Spaceshot> lemme guess, bitzbarn has that brand?
12:28 <Brunius> Don't think so
12:46 <Brunius> They're in historicals mainly but one of their sprays matches catachan green pretty closely
12:55 <Spaceshot> ahh
13:27 <Spaceshot> still thinking of going gold and dark red/grey-red for my warped wolves
13:39 <Spaceshot> problem, don't want to repaint my space wolves XD
13:44 <Spaceshot> even though it's only 6 and a dread
29:56 <tristen> hmmm
30:24 <tristen> why does the core rulebook say rangers have d10 hit dice and the organised play guide say they have d8?
30:45 <Spaceshot> old guide?
30:47 <Spaceshot> dunno
31:01 <Spaceshot> does it say wizards have d4?
31:13 * mort- pulls yeagel lurker out of his bush
31:24 <tristen> nah d6
31:55 * mort- nibbles the yeagel lurker - ooh taste good!
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34:47 <Avatar> PFS has different rules on hit points than core
35:05 <Avatar> PFS tries to make it stricter/fairer
35:45 <Spaceshot> druids should get d4
36:23 <Avatar> actually all of them match up except ranger
36:25 <Avatar> I didn't notice that
36:43 <tristen> yeah mort pointed it out to me the other day...i'm like huh?
36:51 <Avatar> wizards and sorcerers don't have d4 anymore
37:24 <tristen> yeah both guides say d6
37:32 <tristen> why would organised play differ from core?
37:51 <tristen> ie: why would they change one and not the other?
40:56 <Avatar> I can't find any threads about it
41:49 <Mekkis> pathfinder uses hd based on bab progression
42:04 <Mekkis> PFS doesn't change anything
42:11 <Mekkis> except for rounding up the averages
43:08 <Mekkis> pathfinder changed a bit of stuff from 3.5
44:43 <Spaceshot> says rangers get 8hp at first level and 5 for the other levels
44:50 <Spaceshot> in the PFS organised guide
44:55 <Mekkis> it's a misprint
44:55 <Spaceshot> in CRB ranger is d10
45:08 <Spaceshot> that they've kept for that long?
45:29 <Mekkis> yeah
45:43 <Avatar> has it been errata'd
45:49 <tristen> cool
46:17 <Mekkis> Spaceshot, your version of the guide is outdated
47:06 <Mekkis> hmmm
47:16 <Mekkis> an Unfettered Eidolon Synthesist Summoner
48:20 <Avatar> it's not in the errata
48:32 <Mekkis> it doesn't need to be
48:40 <Mekkis> spaceshot's reading an old version of the guide
48:47 <Avatar> of course it does
48:49 <Avatar> that's what the errata is for
48:54 <Mekkis> my version has Ranger as d10
48:57 <Spaceshot> they finally changed it in the 4.1 version
49:01 <Ballig> it's in a new published version
49:06 <Spaceshot> in 4.0 and older, it was d8
49:07 <Ballig> you only errata when you aren't releasing a new version
49:08 <Avatar> if you're reading an old version of the guide, the errata should correct that
49:23 <Mekkis> if you're reading an old version of the guide, you should get a current one
49:38 <Avatar> it updates the first printing to the fifth printing
49:43 <Ballig> er
49:45 <Ballig> that's the core rulebook
49:48 <Ballig> we're talking about the guide to organised play
49:50 <Avatar> yeah, what are we talking about
50:00 <Mekkis> core rulebook's always been like that
50:11 <Avatar> so the PFS guide is incorrect?
50:14 <Ballig> it was
50:17 <Avatar> the one that just got released a few weeks ago?
50:18 <Ballig> <4.1
50:25 <Mekkis> the PFS guide v4.0 was incorrect
50:26 <Ballig> no, the one that was released a few weeks ago is correct
50:27 <Spaceshot> the one a few weeks ago is correct
50:33 <Avatar> oh crap, I'm looking at 4.0 
50:33 <Brunius> Skimmer
50:40 <Mekkis> (fyi, my version of the core rulebook says that to have an ability score of 9, it costs 1 point)
50:46 <Avatar> Brunius: you don't know what you're talking about, shut up
50:57 <Brunius> You say that every time
51:04 <Avatar> well you don't
51:09 <Avatar> it's really irritating
51:57 <Mekkis> it's nice how it gives a description of Absalom in the Guide...
52:06 <Ballig> so last week I got groceries delivered and they were here right on 6pm, and I was a few minutes late
52:11 <Ballig> I bet this time they will leave it until 9pm because they're jerks
52:36 <Mekkis> Avatar, got any message I should pass on to John?
53:18 <Avatar> no, should I?
53:19 <Brunius> Tell him to stop hating on shorties
53:58 <Mekkis> heh
53:58 <Avatar> can't find what i've done with my copy of the PFS guide
54:05 <Mekkis> oh
54:07 <Mekkis> oh no
54:09 <Spaceshot> who doesn't hate gnomes and halflings?
54:12 <Mekkis> you'll need to buy another one
54:14 <Mekkis> I don't
54:17 <Avatar> hah
54:27 <Spaceshot> you're biased mekkis
54:34 <Spaceshot> gnomes are op and you know it
54:49 <Brunius> half his characters are gnomes
55:09 <Spaceshot> I bet more
55:24 <Brunius> Nop
55:25 <Spaceshot> I know grolsch, nightmare and I think myzaitair is
55:27 <Brunius> Halfg
55:36 <Ballig> I wouldnt' say they're overpowered, but they are necessary to do some things conveniently
55:39 <Mekkis> Mytiazair's a half-elf
55:51 <Avatar> I'd argue humans are overpowered ;)
56:01 <Brunius> Yeah man
56:03 <Brunius> They are
56:03 <Mekkis> I'd agree
56:08 <Brunius> They get an extra feat for free !
56:14 <Brunius> How OP is that?
56:15 <Avatar> free extra feat ftw
56:16 <Mekkis> actually, not overpowered
56:23 <Spaceshot> extra feats are meh
56:24 <Mekkis> just extremely powerful
56:30 <Spaceshot> you have to use that feat at first level
56:34 <Spaceshot> if you could save it, then sure OP
56:38 <Ballig> yeah I'm kicking myself for going elf on Samsuhn instead of human
56:41 <Ballig> I mean really, what do I get as an elf
56:43 <Ballig> nothing!
56:49 <Brunius> immunity to sleep !
56:53 <Ballig> booooring
56:53 <Mekkis> +2 to bypass spell resistance!
56:58 <Avatar> someone talked me out of humans being amazing a while ago really well actually
56:59 <Ballig> boooooooooring
57:05 <Brunius> proficiency with some decent weapons
57:12 <Ballig> proficiency with longbow is it
57:14 <Ballig> that's IT!
57:15 <Ballig> :p
57:23 <Mekkis> and longsword
57:29 <Ballig> he doesn't use it
57:30 <Avatar> the comparison being that the stuff you get with other races is easily comparable to taking a feat, without the choice
57:47 <Spaceshot> half-elf is the best for a weapon user
58:10 <Spaceshot> get the APG alternate racial that exchanges second favoured class for any martial or exotic weapon prof
58:27 <Mekkis> I'm playing an half-elf like that
58:31 <Mekkis> he's pretty powerful
58:41 <Mekkis> (not in PFS though)
58:42 <Spaceshot> what weapon?
58:46 <Mekkis> Falchard
58:57 <Mekkis> reach, trip, 18-20/x2 crit
59:03 <Spaceshot> oh that
59:05 <Mekkis> d10 damage, unfortunately
59:15 <Spaceshot> why not the double trip weapon?
59:22 <Spaceshot> kirugasami
59:24 <Mekkis> I like reach weapons
59:29 <Spaceshot> I think it's reach too
59:36 <Spaceshot> damage is d6/d6
59:45 <Mekkis> not looking at double weapons
59:47 <Avatar> what book is falchard in?
59:52 <Mekkis> he's a synthesist/paladin
59:59 <Mekkis> /king
00:06 <Mekkis> Classic Horrors Revisited
00:20 <Spaceshot> you and your synthesist cheese
00:34 <Avatar> fauchard
02:05 <Spaceshot> does a player explicitly require to own the additional reasources or just have them ready at the table (as in another player might have the resources)?
02:25 <Mekkis> explicitly own them
02:35 <Avatar> that's not really true
02:39 <Mekkis> they have to have either the physical book or a watermarked printout
02:40 <Avatar> if you have them ready at the table, that's enough
02:48 <Avatar> no GM would ever refuse you if they have the book right there
02:54 <Ballig> that might be enough for the GM or organiser
02:56 <Ballig> but technically, the rules say you must own it
03:08 <Spaceshot> the rules don't actually
03:16 <Spaceshot> have doesnt mean own
03:27 <Avatar> well there you go
03:28 <Mekkis> In order to use these additional resources for your character, you must bring a physical copy of the book with you or printouts of the appropriate pages detailing cost (if any) and explanations for each feat, item, spell, prestige class, and so on that you use. (If you're bringing a printout of the pages, it must be from the actual Paizo PDF and not text copied and pasted into a blank word processing document).
03:43 <Spaceshot> yup
03:50 <Ballig> okay, it says "bring"
03:55 <Spaceshot> mmhmm
03:57 <Ballig> so yes you can borrow your friend's
03:59 <Avatar> yeah nobody is going to care
04:00 <Ballig> but you have to be the one brigning it
04:03 <Avatar> haha
04:04 <Spaceshot> ya ya
04:05 <Spaceshot> XD
04:13 <Brunius> Yeah, can't just borrow it at the con!
04:13 <Ballig> you can't just be like "Oh, I assume someone else will have an APG"
04:17 <Brunius> Gotta bring it!
04:19 <Spaceshot> XD
04:29 <Avatar> you can assume it, and then risk not being able to use it
04:30 <Spaceshot> Ballig: yes I can, I just bring a backup just incase
04:48 <Ballig> does the backup meet the criteria?
04:58 <Avatar> if a player did that, nobody had the book, and then the GM refused them, I would laugh and laugh
04:59 <Spaceshot> it will be a CRB only character
05:01 <Spaceshot> that's the backup
05:11 <Ballig> that's a pretty shitty backup man
05:14 <Spaceshot> it is
05:20 <Ballig> you're basically forcing yourself on people you don't know
05:20 <Brunius> CRB you don't have to bring
05:24 <Spaceshot> but that's what I'm stuck with at the moment anyway
05:28 <Ballig> just insisting they will let you borrow their book
05:29 <Spaceshot> I only have the CRB XD
05:33 <Avatar> yeah you don't need to bring the core stuff
05:41 <Avatar> core rulebook, bestiary and I think APG?
05:47 <Spaceshot> don't legally own anything else
05:49 <Ballig> I believe you need the APG
05:49 <Brunius> Nope
05:51 <Spaceshot> not even APG
05:54 <Brunius> Gotta bring the APG
05:55 <Avatar> what's the third one
05:58 <Brunius> ISWG
06:05 <Brunius> (Inner Sea World Guide)
06:08 <Spaceshot> and the organised rules
06:09 <Avatar> ISWG is considered part of the core set?
06:12 <Brunius> Yeah
06:15 <Ballig> Mekkis: what linux distros should I support?
06:21 <Spaceshot> Brunius: what do you legally own XD
06:28 <Brunius> For players it's the ISWG, CRB and guide
06:33 <Brunius> DMs also have to have the bestiary
06:37 <Avatar> doesn't sound right
06:41 <Ballig> well
06:45 <Ballig> ISWG is considered core assumption
06:45 <Avatar> oh it's the uhh
06:51 <Avatar> what's it called
06:53 <Ballig> I don't know that that necessarily means you dont' have to have a copy if you use something in it
06:56 <Ballig> I think it means they assume you already have it
06:59 <Avatar> the one that every pathfinder is supposed to know
07:00 <Brunius> Adventurer's Armoury, Ultimate Combat, CRB and PFS Field Guide
07:05 <Ballig> ISWG
07:06 <Avatar> the field guide, that's it
07:12 <Spaceshot> no APG?
07:14 <Brunius> Nuh
07:16 <Avatar> no APG
07:16 <Ballig> it used to be Seeker of Secrets
07:20 <Spaceshot> balls
07:21 <Brunius> It did
07:32 <Spaceshot> I can bring thwang though I guess XD
07:41 <Brunius> !findchar Thwang
07:42 <Ballig> or you can spend $10 and buy the APG as a PDF
07:45 <diebot> Brunius, Character: Thwang, number: 310( http://dnd.ballig.net/viewchar.php5?char=310 )
07:54 <Spaceshot> Ballig: don't has spare cash
08:02 <Ballig> go and beg for it
08:02 <Spaceshot> like seriously, that is too much atm
08:06 <Spaceshot> hahaha
08:07 <Ballig> think of a sob story, find a busy store
08:12 <Ballig> sit out front of it and tell your story for a few hours
08:14 <Ballig> you'll get it
08:23 <Spaceshot> XD
08:38 <Ballig> maybe something about needing to get back to some other town, because your grandmother is sick
08:45 <Ballig> so you need money for a bus fare
08:50 <Avatar> outside a games store, haha
08:54 <Spaceshot> hahaha
08:54 <Ballig> ha
08:58 <Brunius> haha
09:02 <Spaceshot> Avatar: what books do you legally own?
09:03 <Ballig> outside a games store, and say you will accept a copy of the APG instead of bus fare
09:08 <Brunius> Ha
09:27 <Mekkis> Ballig, if I were you: none. Release the source with a "no guarantee: it works on my system" disclaimer.
09:35 <Avatar> core rulebook, APG, UC
09:42 <Avatar> and all the scenarios I've run
09:45 <Spaceshot> you're more useful :P
09:54 <Spaceshot> I need UM to play the current ava I've got
09:56 <Avatar> I need to buy UM and a couple of others I think
10:07 <Brunius> Hey, just because I want the core assumption before I go and buy extra stuff
10:08 <Spaceshot> but I'm still thinking of remaking ava
10:14 <Avatar> UM might be the last hardcover I buy
10:18 <Ballig> Mekkis: that's not what I asked
10:24 <Mekkis> isn't it?
10:26 <Spaceshot> I'd buy hardcovers if I had cash
10:28 <Avatar> if it doesn't have a class in it, it's not really worth it
10:38 <Spaceshot> Brunius: that reminds me, GW hates me
10:38 <Mekkis> what's the context then?
10:53 <Spaceshot> I'm poor and they bring out multipart plastic kits of thunderwolf cav
10:59 <Ballig> Spaceshot: I have APG, adventurer's armory, bestiary 1-3, cities of golarion, core rulebook, gamemastery guide, ISWG, pathfinder society field guide, seeker of seecrets, ultimate combat and ultimate magic
10:59 <Mekkis> I thought you were referring to CA
11:01 <Ballig> but they're all PDF
11:04 <Brunius> Yeah, they hate you so much
11:11 <Ballig> Mekkis: I am, but it's still not what I asked
11:15 <Mekkis> Ballig, is Bestiary 3 worth getting?
11:16 <Brunius> #firstworldproblems
11:26 <Spaceshot> well technically... hmm...
11:28 <Ballig> what criteria do you use to determine if it's worth getting
11:42 <Mekkis> does it have anything in it that I'd use either as a player or as a DM
11:45 <Spaceshot> I can just buy the the PDFs I need now, and get the cash back with what you're buying off me brunius
11:57 <Ballig> it has a zoog
11:59 <Ballig> is that something you would use
12:14 <Avatar> definitely
12:26 <Mekkis> well, if I were you, with CA, I wouldn't say that it supports any distro: I don't think you've really got the time to test it on all of them
12:27 <Spaceshot> Bestiary 3 might have a race you might get to make a character with from a con
12:51 <Spaceshot> you'd also have to test it on different graphics cards and such
12:54 <Mekkis> I bought the dragon empires one for that..
13:03 <Avatar> Ballig: did you buy all those books?
13:04 <Spaceshot> what race?
13:08 <Ballig> CA isnt' graphics intensive enough to test on other cards I don't think
13:10 <Brunius> Minotaur is slow shipping my dragon empires gazetter
13:10 <Ballig> Avatar: yeah
13:15 <Avatar> man you're keener than I thought
13:25 <Avatar> all PDFs
13:27 <Spaceshot> in PDF form though
13:32 <Ballig> yeah they're all PDFs
13:36 <Ballig> I hate physical books
13:40 <Spaceshot> 1 hard cover is like 5-7PDFs
13:44 <Avatar> yeah if I didn't go to cons I would only get them as PDF
13:53 <Spaceshot> you can still print out what you need
13:58 <Spaceshot> or take a tablet/laptop
14:06 <Spaceshot> which is my plan
14:07 <Avatar> you don't want to print out anything but your character sheet man
14:11 <Brunius> I hate PDFs actually
14:20 <Brunius> I can never read them properly
14:25 <Ballig> I also have 3 pathfinder modules and 20 scenarios
14:29 <Spaceshot> Brunius that's because your monitor is the same size as my tablet laptop
14:30 <Avatar> how come?
14:36 <Avatar> oh
14:42 <Brunius> bullshit it is Spaceshot
14:47 <Ballig> it's 17" I think
14:50 <Ballig> that is pretty small though
14:51 <Brunius> 16"
14:59 <Brunius> IIRC
14:59 <Ballig> that's only just bigger than a standard laptop monitor
14:59 <Spaceshot> I think this laptop is 15.4
15:06 <Avatar> wow that's pushing it
15:07 <Mekkis> that's a massive laptop
15:08 <Spaceshot> I think
15:11 <Avatar> I was going to say 17" should be enough
15:17 <Avatar> what resolution
15:20 <Ballig> you can get gaming laptops with 17"
15:38 <Ballig> we should take around a collection and buy Brunius a 24" widescreen
15:38 <Mekkis> yeah
15:39 <Spaceshot> my other laptop that I left in adelaide that needs a new battery and bigger hard drive is either 17" or 19"
15:41 <Brunius> 1152*864 or something
15:42 <Mekkis> they're massive too
15:55 <Ballig> I don't know that you can get 19" laptop monitors
15:57 <Ballig> I've not seen any anyway
16:02 <Ballig> 17" ones are already pretty big
16:03 <Mekkis> you can... for a price
16:13 <Ballig> it doesn't count if you have to build it yourself
16:15 <Mekkis> it sort of defeats the purpose of a laptop though
16:19 <Ballig> yeah
16:23 <Ballig> it's pushing the limits of portability
16:38 <Mekkis> http://www.gscreenlaptop.com/
16:42 <Mekkis> not 19'
16:44 <Mekkis> 19" 
16:46 <Mekkis> but close
17:27 <Avatar> do the screens fold behind each other?
17:31 <Mekkis> no
17:33 <Spaceshot> sorry, this laptop is 12.1"
17:36 <Mekkis> they stack on top of each other
17:38 <Spaceshot> yea thought 15.4 was too big XD
17:45 <Ballig> 15.4 is fairly standard for a laptop
17:46 <Avatar> that's pretty cool
17:49 <Ballig> 12.1 is bordering on netbook
17:54 <Spaceshot> it's a tablet
17:57 <Mekkis> 12.1 is "ultraportable"
17:57 <Ballig> yeah
17:58 <Spaceshot> I don't care XD
18:05 <Spaceshot> yea it is nice a light
18:10 <Ballig> I thought you were using the word tablet loosely
18:10 <Ballig> :p
18:28 <Spaceshot> haha, with 15.4" I was XD
18:49 <Mekkis> my tablet's 14", I think
18:54 <Ballig> Mekkis: what distro(s) of linux do you use?
18:59 <Mekkis> I use opensuse
19:05 <Mekkis> 11.4 I think
19:22 <Mekkis> and various earlier incantations
19:28 <Spaceshot> the funny thing, I rarely use it for a tablet
19:36 <Spaceshot> need to get some better tablet able programs/apps
20:49 <Mekkis> I should see if there's anything worth wildshaping into in Bestiary 2
21:53 <yeagel> back
22:12 <Mekkis> Grolschmir's only wildshaped once
25:19 <Mekkis> !fullattack Nightshade:Nightwalker
25:22 <diebot> Mekkis, slams: [1d20=16] 36, [1d20=12] 32; Slam: [2d6=3,5] 20, [2d6=5,5] 22
28:04 <Avatar> what's that
28:14 <Mekkis> Grolschmir's only wildshaped once
28:47 <Avatar> what?
28:49 <Ballig> Mekkis: when Grolschmir gets druid level 7 you should take the size increase on Ary, then you can wildshape into a baby roc and ride ary and Bobbob will ride you
28:56 <Ballig> we will duo every scenario with double lance charges
29:22 <Mekkis> can I wildshape into a baby roc?
29:23 <Brunius> ...
29:41 <Avatar> sounds like QQ gone wrong
29:48 <Mekkis> on
29:49 <Mekkis> no
29:54 <Mekkis> that was Blitzstreik
30:01 <Mekkis> !findchar Blitzstreik
30:02 <diebot> Mekkis, Character: Blitzstreik, number: 220( http://dnd.ballig.net/viewchar.php5?char=220 )
30:13 <Brunius> It does, Avatar
30:30 <Avatar> 70 str?
30:35 <Mekkis> yeah
30:43 <Brunius> My god
30:59 <Brunius> +5 blessed Eight-handed Huge Lance ?
31:00 <Avatar> how much str does the tarrasque have
31:02 <Brunius> What the hell man
31:20 <Avatar> what is an eight handed lance
31:20 <Mekkis> this is 3.5e
31:29 <Mekkis> a lance designed to be wielded with eight hands
31:39 <Mekkis> it gets 4.5x strength bonus to damage
31:42 <Avatar> where is the rule on having a weapon handled by more than 2 hands
31:47 <Mekkis> Savage species
32:15 <Mekkis> p42
32:28 <Mekkis>   Provided that a weapon is designed for more than two
32:28 <Mekkis> hands, each additional hand used increases the damage
32:28 <Mekkis> dealt with that weapon. Each hand used beyond the
32:28 <Mekkis> first adds 1/2 the wielder's Strength bonus to the
32:28 <Mekkis> damage. A creature wielding a Medium-size longsword
32:28 <Mekkis> with two hands adds 1 1/2 times its Strength bonus to
32:28 <Mekkis> the damage roll. A girallon wielding a Huge club with
32:28 <Mekkis> all four hands adds 2 1/2 times its Strength bonus to the
32:28 <Mekkis> damage roll.
32:53 <Avatar> that's crazy
34:05 <Ballig> Avatar: did Canine get back to you about whether or not he can play Sunday, and what time
34:13 <Avatar> nope
34:18 <Avatar> I sent another message this morning, no reply yet
35:04 <Avatar> I'd plan another scenario
35:09 <Avatar> or uh
35:15 <Avatar> mort said she wanted to run BTD 2
36:11 <Ballig> does she have enough experience to do that
36:33 <Brunius> It'd be her second scenario
37:30 <Mekkis> you have to start somewhere
37:46 <Ballig> yeah, I'm thinking you start by playing
37:47 <Ballig> :p
38:11 <Avatar> the PFS guide doesn't mention scenarios in tiers 1-7
38:22 <Avatar> tier 1, 1-5, 3-7, 5-9, 7-11, 12
38:31 <Mekkis> they removed them
38:32 <Ballig> they don't make them anymore
38:49 <Avatar> mort can run it
38:55 <Avatar> she ran first steps 1 pretty well
39:23 <Ballig> keep in mind that is first steps 1
39:34 <Avatar> I'm still confident she can do it
40:42 <Avatar> it's your timeslot, though
40:51 <Avatar> if she doesn't run it then, she'd be doing it next saturday
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43:22 <Brunius> What
43:51 <Avatar> yeah that quit message needs work :P
44:06 <Brunius> Nah
44:41 <Avatar> is it meant to be advertising a client
44:55 <Brunius> It's the same one as icechat
44:56 <Mekkis> I've got most of my notes for First Steps 2, so I can give them to mort-...
45:03 <Mekkis> ummm
45:06 <Mekkis> Before The Dawn 2
46:05 <Ballig> I'm just worried about still relatively new players jumping feet-first into what might be an unnecessarily complicated scenario to GM
46:57 <Avatar> who's played it
47:17 <Ballig> that's another issue: it was run in here only a week ago
47:23 <Ballig> do we have enough people who haven't played it
47:37 <Brunius> I haven't
47:45 <Mekkis> depends if Thelen is around, or if someone else wants to pick up a pregen
47:49 <Ballig> but you don't play with us anyway
47:53 <Brunius> :(
48:12 <Avatar> do you want to
48:12 <Brunius> No reason to exclude me
48:29 <Ballig> no reason to exclude you if you actually want to play
48:29 <Ballig> :p
48:31 <Brunius> I just wanna be one of the kool kids :(
48:38 <Avatar> you can be, if you play
48:54 <Avatar> you can't say don't exclude me and then not show up !
49:27 <Ballig> or say don't exclude me and follow it with "ha ha just kidding, I don't want to play"
49:27 <Ballig> :p
49:44 <Brunius> I can
49:50 <Brunius> It just wouldn't be terribly logical
50:04 <Avatar> it's not terribly logical to include you then
50:05 <Mekkis> ?
50:11 <Avatar> who was playing on saturday
50:21 <Avatar> tristen mort hydrazine ?
50:26 <Mekkis> Darkwhite, tristen, mort-, Hydrazine 
50:45 <Mekkis> and... Jaggedsoul
51:50 <Avatar> would have to chase up some early confirmations from people 
53:05 <Ballig> yeah
53:58 <Avatar> I don't know if mort wants to prepare a backup scenario
54:06 <Avatar> worst case, I could run QFP 2
54:20 <Spaceshot> I might play sat
54:35 <Avatar> we're talking next saturday
54:46 <Avatar> you should've gotten an invite for this saturday
54:49 <Brunius> I could play sat
55:00 <Avatar> Brunius: next saturday?
55:04 <Brunius> yeah
55:13 <Avatar> I mean the alternative is to switch weeks
55:22 <Avatar> if you two can show this saturday
55:46 <Avatar> better if you can do it next saturday 
55:50 <Ballig> what's wrong with sunday
56:09 <Avatar> can we use sunday
56:16 <Spaceshot> me and brun are going to be at blackburn
56:27 <Ballig> are you ditching us on sunday to play PFS somewhere else
56:30 <Spaceshot> with most likely dark white
56:40 <Ballig> so dodgy
56:43 <Spaceshot> that's not the initial reason
56:46 <Brunius> darkwhite has already played it anyway
56:48 <Spaceshot> I'm selling him shit there
56:53 <Spaceshot> so we might as well play there too
57:00 <Ballig> you mean you're going to pull him into your panel van
57:07 <Spaceshot> hahaha
57:09 <Spaceshot> if only I could drive
57:15 <Ballig> "Hey little boy, do you want to see my 'figurine'?"
57:16 <Avatar> still have to meet up with you spaceshot
57:19 <Avatar> maybe I should come on sunday as well
57:23 <Brunius> You don't have a license?
57:24 <Spaceshot> nice
57:29 <Spaceshot> and no, no I don't
57:33 <Ballig> Brunius will get his licence before you
57:37 <Brunius> Probably !
57:38 <Avatar> hahahhaa
57:39 <Spaceshot> he probably will
57:44 <Avatar> and probably a job before me
57:49 <Ballig> you will be bumming rides from a 13 year old
57:50 <Spaceshot> he'll also probably finish his cadians before I finish my space wolves
57:55 <Avatar> I reckon brunius will be the next prime minister
57:58 <Brunius> I'll get my learners this november
57:59 <Avatar> so you will work for him 
58:04 <Spaceshot> which I've had for about 3 or so years more than him XD
58:06 <Ballig> I don't work for the prime minister
58:12 <Avatar> oh don't you
58:17 <Ballig> nope
58:17 <Avatar> I'm confused, sorry
58:18 <Ballig> that's the prime minister's office
58:37 <Avatar> well I'm mixing it up a bit 
58:41 <Avatar> you may as well
58:50 <Ballig> I work for the department of the prime minister and cabinet
58:57 <Avatar> yeah
59:00 <Ballig> people mistakenly think the prime minister works in that department, or that we work directly for the prime minister
59:09 <Avatar> semantics, you know what I meant
59:12 <Ballig> but that's like thinking that the minister for education works at the department of education, employment and workplace relations
59:13 <Avatar> you will work for brunius
59:38 <Avatar> I don't know how to uptalk him anymore than that I think
59:44 <Avatar> reached my limit
00:02 <Avatar> all because he went to good games on sundays
00:05 <Ballig> he would have to become the secretary of PM&C, which is the leader of the australian public service
00:10 <Spaceshot> so in theory, if I play both sat and sunday, I could get ava to level 2 over the weekend
00:11 <Ballig> if he does it before he's 60 I would be surprised
00:16 <Avatar> actually, here's an idea
00:24 <Avatar> how about mort runs BTD on the saturday and I run QFP on the sunday
00:37 <Ballig> except you've already scheduled QFP
00:39 <Ballig> and people have accepted
00:42 <Ballig> do you really want to switch it up
00:47 <Avatar> I'll chase them obviously
00:50 <Avatar> to see if they can do it
00:54 <Ballig> is it worth the risk doing that mid-week
01:04 <Avatar> there's no risk, if it's not possible, then we don't do it
01:18 <Spaceshot> crap...
01:22 <Brunius> waaas
01:48 <Spaceshot> can't find the pfs senario sheet again
01:54 <Spaceshot> I should of really written down the details ages ago
02:11 <Avatar> got to work out where mekkis' spot is now
02:42 <Spaceshot> all good, found it
02:47 <Brunius> Mekkis' spot?
03:00 <Brunius> I thought he has all 17 bajillion scenarios booked out
03:01 <Avatar> he took his turn early
03:04 <Brunius> For the next year
03:10 <Avatar> yeah, he wont' be doing that
03:17 <Avatar> but we said okay for BTD 1 and 2
03:45 <Avatar> are you keen to run another one soon brunius
04:04 <Brunius> Maybe
04:23 <Avatar> depending on what
05:19 <Brunius> Cash available, motivation, level range
05:52 <Avatar> sounds unlikely
06:22 <Brunius> I won't be DMing anything in the 5-9 level range
06:40 <Avatar> I think everyone's got low level chars anyway
06:45 <Brunius> one of my friends just walked for three hours to get home...
08:16 <Spaceshot> hahaha why?
08:28 <Brunius> phone died
08:30 <Brunius> no myki
08:35 <Brunius> nobody willing to give them a lift
08:49 <Avatar> just fare evade
08:53 <Avatar> who pays for tickets
09:04 <Brunius> People that need to go on busses?
09:12 <Avatar> do they make you scan it when you get on
09:26 <Brunius> Yeah
09:41 <Brunius> Some of my friends have had loud conversations with the driver so they couldn't hear the failure beep
09:42 <Spaceshot> you can only fare dodge on trams
09:53 <Brunius> Trains, Spaceshot
10:00 <Brunius> I could easily fare evade every day
10:22 <Avatar> even in the city people jump barriers while the staff are watching and they don't do anything
10:27 <Spaceshot> hahaha
10:38 <Avatar> it's only when you have the guys who can fine you watching the barriers
10:40 <Spaceshot> and I thought adelaide was full of cheapskates
10:41 <Avatar> and they're incredibly obvious
10:43 <Ballig> I used to fare evade on trains sometimes in Brisbane
10:48 <Ballig> but it was a risk
10:54 <Ballig> you were fucked if you got off at your station and they had inspectors checking everyone
11:05 <Avatar> there are sometimes inspectors on trains and trams here, but it's rare
11:11 <Avatar> the fine is probably worth it
11:15 <Avatar> if you never pay properly
11:22 <Ballig> I saw inspectors in Brisbane probably 3 times
11:24 <Ballig> in the 3 years I was there
11:40 <Brunius> I used to never see inspectors
11:44 <Brunius> now they're all over the place
12:00 <Ballig> probably realised it would cost them less money to hire more inspectors so people actually pay the fare
12:18 <Avatar> it's been terrible for years
13:23 <Spaceshot> so avatar, you are coming to blackburn on sunday?
13:34 <Avatar> depends what we organise here
13:49 <Brunius> He's just kidding, he is
13:50 <Mekkis> Avatar, I'd like to run a scenario on the saturday after you run BTD3
13:52 <Spaceshot> bah, you can organise shit here any time
14:03 <Ballig> can play at blackburn any time
14:07 <Avatar> I'm not running BTD 3
14:09 <Brunius> Ah shit there's a BTD3 isn't there
14:41 <Brunius> and 4
15:19 <Mekkis> QFT I mean
15:21 <Mekkis> QFP
15:24 <mort-> I'm willing to run btd2 for you guys
15:32 <Mekkis> saturday after you run QFP3
15:38 <Avatar> mort-: do you want to do it on saturday
15:53 <mort-> Ballig. Can i use the Sunday slot?
15:55 <Avatar> Mekkis: I won't run QFP 1 2 and 3 in a row like that
16:02 <Mekkis> ???
16:05 <Avatar> mort-: saturday might be better
16:18 <mort-> Who's slot am i taking
16:22 <Mekkis> I thought you had three consecutive weeks planned
16:26 <Avatar> probably mine
16:32 <mort-> I don't want to step on anyones toes
16:40 <mort-> Especially not gnomes
16:40 <Avatar> if I were to take three consecutive weeks, it would be outrageously unfair to everyone else
16:50 <mort-> They are known to be vindictive :d
17:06 <Avatar> mort-: can you run on saturday afternoon
17:09 <Mekkis> I'm fine with it
17:14 <mort-> I can
17:33 <mort-> But that screws any sat morning game
17:36 <mort-> Why not Sunday
17:49 <mort-> Since sat tends to have more people on
17:52 <Avatar> because most people have played it
17:56 <Avatar> brunius and spaceshot can make saturday, but not sunday
18:03 <mort-> And Sunday sometimes a lack of attendence
18:09 <mort-> Causes no game
18:19 <mort-> I want the whole btd2 team
18:30 <Avatar> saturday could probably be brunius, spaceshot, ballig, me and up to 2 others
18:40 <mort-> I am catching you, brunius
18:44 <Avatar> sunday could be ballig, mekkis, jaggedsoul and whoever else wants to play QFP 1
18:50 <Mekkis> I'd suggest not this Saturday, but one weeks' time
18:57 <mort-> And ballig
19:03 <mort-> I'm fine any time
19:06 <mort-> Till 17 march
19:08 <Avatar> one weeks' time for what
19:09 <Spaceshot> I'd prefer this sat XD
19:10 <Mekkis> so she has time to read over the scenario and prepare things
19:21 <mort-> Then its to be my cousins bridesmaid
19:34 <Avatar> mort-: is saturday too soon?
19:41 <mort-> I can do it.
19:50 <mort-> Ill spend less time out
19:55 <Avatar> okay
19:57 <mort-> And tonight studying
20:00 <Spaceshot> XD
20:10 <Spaceshot> have fun dealing with Ava, the deaf healbot again
21:06 <mort-> You will?
21:08 <Avatar> Mekkis: saturdays will probably just be you and me alternating weeks, with mort and brunius taking priority in the queue if they want to run something if they're doing it only on occasion
21:20 <Mekkis> alright
21:32 <Mekkis> but I think you should plan to have QFP finished before Arcanacon
21:34 <Mekkis> ummm
21:36 <Mekkis> Conquest
21:42 <Avatar> why
21:44 <Brunius> Arcanacon might be a long time
22:21 <Mekkis> unless you don't mind me playing QFP3 at conquest
22:33 <Avatar> just avoid QFP 3 at conquest
22:36 <Spaceshot> are we going to make a crazy team for conquest?
22:41 <Avatar> treat it as already-played
22:56 <Avatar> Spaceshot: teams kind of suck, as it turns out
23:06 <Avatar> best strategy is to play one game together, and separate for all the rest
23:11 <Spaceshot> wha?
23:12 <Spaceshot> why?
23:20 <Brunius> in theory seperate for the rest
23:24 <Spaceshot> I don't want to risk playing with retards to be honest
23:25 <Mekkis> because I go to conventions to meet people
23:26 <Avatar> you mix it up with other players and you can bring back more scenarios here
23:32 <Mekkis> that too
23:38 <Brunius> It's rare you'll be completely split off from people from the channel, at least in melbourne
23:39 <Avatar> there's not many retards
23:42 <mort-> You be surprispdd
23:53 <Brunius> There was that andrew guy
23:53 <Spaceshot> Avatar: remember your 'fun' table?
23:59 <Avatar> yeah that's only happened once
24:06 <Avatar> it's not impossible
24:07 <Spaceshot> I might even have some friends from AIE going
24:16 <Spaceshot> dunno though
24:18 <Brunius> He was at that FS2 table I got nearly TPKed at
24:24 <Mekkis> we could try to push for some more 5-9s to be run
24:34 <Avatar> darkwhite was good with our requests
24:41 <Spaceshot> Hmmm...
24:44 <Mekkis> I'll bring that up when I meet John over dinner this Friday
24:50 <Avatar> I mean, out of the 6 choices we had, I got to play all 4 of my requests
24:59 <Avatar> 6 slots*
25:32 <Avatar> jaggedsoul is going to be hard to organise
28:43 <mort-> I love meeting utopians
33:20 <Mekkis> what were your requests, Avatar?
33:28 <Mekkis> SOI3 and...?
33:29 <Avatar> shades of ice 3, QFP
33:35 <Mekkis> an
33:36 <Mekkis> ah
33:48 <Spaceshot> wait... aren't snypt, tristen and thelen going to be going to conquest too since they're in melb?
33:49 <Mekkis> I want to push for some more 5-9s
34:38 <Avatar> snypt didn't go to arcanacon
34:49 <Avatar> can't count on him going to conquest
35:03 <Avatar> he did intend to go, but he seemed a bit lax about it
35:41 <Spaceshot> thelen and tristen?
35:53 <Avatar> tristen will almost certainly be there
35:54 <mort-> I think we have gotten better at tactics
36:00 <Avatar> thelen's likely, but less likely
36:05 <mort-> Again we have a drill master around :p
36:06 <Spaceshot> haha
36:07 <Avatar> than tristen
36:17 <Spaceshot> I bet we've got a better chance of hydra coming over
36:29 <Avatar> better chance than what
36:37 <Brunius> mort-: Fly down for conquest !
36:45 <Mekkis> yeah
36:47 <Spaceshot> same with you Ballig
36:49 <Mekkis> I'll book a double room
36:50 <mort-> Hydra is in the wrong continent
36:52 <mort-> Lol
37:05 <mort-> I'm a shy geek :d
37:11 <mort-> And i have no books
37:18 <Brunius> Bad luck
37:22 <Brunius> You're showing up anyway!
37:40 <mort-> And the air ticket would cost a bomb :p
37:52 <mort-> Actually i have 2 modes in real life
38:03 <mort-> Totally bubbly and friendly
38:03 <Spaceshot> mort-: most of us here are shy geeks
38:08 <Spaceshot> mekkis is probably the only that isn't
38:10 <mort-> Or if i just shield off
38:37 <mort-> Then I probably resemble someone with austism
38:43 <Spaceshot> who doesn't
39:01 <Spaceshot> I still think I have some form of autism, and that my psych was just a twat
39:04 <Mekkis> thanks Spaceshot 
39:07 <mort-> A lot of utopians 
39:09 <Ballig> I'm not shy
39:15 <mort-> That ive met
39:15 <Brunius> Ballig is quite friendly
39:27 <Mekkis> but really, it's just a lot of practice from being forced to run games
39:28 <mort-> Say I'm actually very bubbly
39:29 <Ballig> my co-workers call me "a cool geek"
39:30 <Brunius> Spaceshot: The whole lot of them are
39:31 <Avatar> yeah ballig is nicer in person
39:32 <Ballig> I think they misuse the word "cool"
39:33 <Ballig> but still
39:34 <mort-> And friendly :p
39:34 <Avatar> online he's a jerk
39:42 <Brunius> that jerk
39:50 <Avatar> sorry not a jerk
39:50 <Avatar> a wanker
39:56 <Ballig> ha
39:58 * mort- follows ballig like a puppy
39:58 <Ballig> good old snypt
39:59 <Brunius> jerk
40:03 <Avatar> good old snypt
40:12 <Spaceshot> Ballig: actually I think I went to a psycho therapist, or whatever you call the psychs that can't prescribe meds
40:31 <Spaceshot> and online I'm a dick
40:39 <Brunius> IRL you're a dick too :P
40:42 <Ballig> psychologist
41:14 <Ballig> or therapist, but I think anyone can call themselves a therapist
41:29 <Spaceshot> it's not that I really want to be a dick, but you guys (mainly mekkis and ballig) are elitist to the stage of wanting to punch you in the face for finding shit that would ever only have reference to the arguement in question and never anywhere else
41:46 <Ballig> unless it was a combination analyst therapist
41:48 <Ballig> is that what it was
41:51 <Spaceshot> yea it was a psychologist
42:07 <Spaceshot> she recommended me to take anti axiety meds
42:13 <Avatar> is that about the uh
42:15 <Avatar> vestigial arm
42:19 <Ballig> pretty sure I'm not elitist
42:20 <Spaceshot> that have done fuck all but waste my money and make me hard to fall asleep so far
42:32 <Spaceshot> Ballig: I use elitist for also having to be right all the time
42:42 <Ballig> being right and having to be right are different
42:49 <Avatar> I've heard ballig bow to other people's rulings before
42:54 <Brunius> So by that definition, you're elitist, too
42:58 <Brunius> Oh crap
42:58 <Ballig> sorry man, but you have a huge reputation for arguing to the death
43:01 <Spaceshot> hahaha
43:02 <Brunius> Flame war incoming
43:05 <Spaceshot> I do
43:06 <Avatar> hahaa ziiiiiiiing
43:23 <Spaceshot> but I usually argue about semantics though
43:24 <Spaceshot> usually
43:28 <Spaceshot> which is quite stupid I know
43:31 <Avatar> okay
43:54 <Avatar> it's likely the plan about playing BTD 2 on saturday will happen
43:54 <Ballig> people tend to argue about semantics when they refuse to admit they might be wrong :p
44:01 <Avatar> mort-: do you have a preference on time
44:05 <Ballig> in fact, you've admitted to me before that you will continue to argue just to be right even when it's ludicrous and you know it
44:20 <Spaceshot> Ballig: I usually start my arguements about semantics though, and still refuse to admit any wrongness
44:55 <Ballig> seems to me you're guilty of the very thing you accuse me :p
45:02 <Spaceshot> probably
45:11 <Spaceshot> I don't put it past my outer shell :P
45:20 <Spaceshot> it's either be a talkative dick, be a lerker
45:23 <Spaceshot> lurker*
45:30 <Spaceshot> or be a depressive whinny twat
45:35 <Spaceshot> I don't think any of them actually win
45:57 <Ballig> imagine the scenario that I am right (maybe I say "the earth is round"), and you are wrong (you say "the earth is a cube"), but you refuse to admit you're wrong and continue to argue
46:11 <Ballig> isn't it conceivable that me continuing to argue - because I /know/ I'm right - may come across as "having to be right"?
46:38 <mort-> No
46:43 <Avatar> mort
46:47 <Avatar> what's your preference on time 
47:00 <Avatar> oh, you don't have one
47:18 <Avatar> Brunius / Spaceshot / Ballig: do any of you have one
47:26 <Brunius> have what
47:36 <Avatar> a preference on when to play BTD
47:39 <Avatar> what time on the saturday
47:40 <Ballig> I'd prefer 12pm onwards on Saturday
47:50 <Brunius> Not really fussed
47:55 <Brunius> As long as it's not like 7am
48:00 <Ballig> what if it's 6am
48:02 <Ballig> can you do 6am
48:07 <Brunius> Maybe
48:08 <Ballig> maybe we should run two slots
48:09 <Avatar> 6am is like 7am
48:10 <Ballig> 6am and 12pm
48:21 <Brunius> Keep in mind yeagel wanted to play this saturday
48:35 <Brunius> And he's 5 hours behind us, I think
48:52 <Avatar> that throws a spanner in the works
53:26 <mort-> Anyway
53:26 <mort-> Ya
53:38 <Spaceshot> not too early
53:39 <Spaceshot> XD
53:41 <mort-> Cookies
53:43 <Spaceshot> that's my preferance
54:08 <Ballig> is 4am too early Alex
54:17 <Spaceshot> who?
54:22 <Ballig> oh I was asking Thelen
54:30 <Spaceshot> didn't know we were having a 5th?
54:46 <Spaceshot> thought it was just me you brun and possibly yeagel
54:59 <Ballig> and Avatar
55:04 <Ballig> and maybe Thelen
55:14 <Spaceshot> avatar playing snake?
55:17 <Brunius> Hasn't avatar already played btd2
55:30 <Ballig> no
55:37 <Brunius> really
55:39 <Brunius> huh
55:42 <Ballig> pretty sure
56:10 <Spaceshot> if only I knew avatar's pfs number
56:14 <Brunius> 22871
56:19 <Spaceshot> just !ideal him
56:23 <Spaceshot> !ideal
56:28 <Spaceshot> !Ideal
56:34 <Spaceshot> how do you get the help?
56:35 <Brunius> !idealscenario gm=22871 player=22870
56:36 <diebot> Brunius, 45:Delirium’s Tangle |  51:City of Strangers-Pt1: The Shadow Gambit |  39:The Citadel of Flame |  3-06:Song of the Sea Witch |  
56:38 <Ballig> http://dnd.ballig.net/pfs.php5
56:40 <Ballig> will work better
56:58 <Ballig> specifically: http://dnd.ballig.net/pfs.php5?id=12
57:28 <mort-> So who is playing btd2
57:32 <Brunius> I shall
57:36 <Brunius> on Bairaq
57:38 <mort-> Isn't it the entire party?
57:41 <mort-> Ok
57:49 <Brunius> But I need a hard copy char sheet
58:03 <mort-> Just make sure
58:15 <mort-> You have everything uploaded
58:24 <Ballig> get foxit and use the PDF on the website
58:31 <Brunius> er, chronicle sheet
58:55 <Ballig> print it out
59:17 <Brunius> my printer is out of ink
59:21 <Ballig> get some ink
59:35 <Avatar> mort-: at a minimum, brunius, spaceshot, ballig, me
59:38 <Spaceshot> I will on Ava
59:39 <Ballig> there's a hole in my bucket, dear liza, dear liza o/`
59:47 <Spaceshot> hope you guys like deaf healers
59:53 <Ballig> are we going to be forced to play it in 1-2
00:02 <Brunius> Might be
00:05 <Avatar> I don't have any 4-5 characters left
00:08 <Brunius> 3-4 is looking likely
00:14 <Ballig> I have two level 3 characters
00:16 <Ballig> and only one level 2
00:17 <Brunius> What's the average of 1,1,6 and 6?
00:23 <Brunius> Or, uh
00:24 <Avatar> I have Snickers and Snake at 2 and Toro and Landruff at 1
00:28 <Ballig> I'm not playing a level 6 character at 3-4 :p
00:31 <Brunius> Is it a 1-7 scenario?
00:33 <Spaceshot> Ava is level 1
00:33 <Avatar> you can't play a 6 can you
00:34 <Spaceshot> :P
00:39 <Ballig> it's a 1-7, so you can
00:46 <Avatar> oh
00:52 <Avatar> I'm happy to use whoever then
01:01 <Ballig> would you seriously play Buck on a 1-2 or 3-4
01:03 <Avatar> I thought 1-7 doesn't exist anymore
01:03 <Brunius> I'll bring Kaleb if you want the underpowered crap
01:05 <Ballig> and lose out on all that sweet gold
01:09 <Avatar> well not Buck
01:10 <Ballig> 1-7 isn't being /written/ anymore
01:12 <Avatar> Cairo maybe
01:24 <Brunius> Say
01:28 <Brunius> what happened to squirrel
01:36 <Spaceshot> bet ava has better healing than kaleb XD
01:37 <Brunius> We should get the whole original BTD2 party back in here for it
01:45 <Brunius> Dude Kaleb is a Rogue
01:48 <mort-> Imo yes
01:55 <Spaceshot> I thought that was your cha dump cleric
01:56 <Ballig> I bet Artimus has better healing than Ava
01:58 <Avatar> yeah, go find jevouse
02:03 <mort-> But well just tell me who you choose to bring
02:03 <Brunius> cha dump cleric is derau
02:05 <Spaceshot> oh
02:07 <mort-> Jevouse
02:09 <Spaceshot> yea more than him
02:17 <mort-> Is now in aussie land
02:18 <Brunius> Meh
02:25 <Brunius> It's not as if he needs heals
02:27 <Avatar> what
02:27 <Avatar> where
02:32 <Brunius> What
02:33 <Brunius> Where
03:00 <Avatar> don't imitate me
03:08 <Avatar> it's unnerving
03:39 <Brunius> don't imi...nah
03:41 <Brunius> I shouldn't
03:42 <Brunius> Sorry
03:56 <Avatar> s'all good
03:57 <Ballig> yeah he might ban you
03:58 <Ballig> ha ha!
04:02 <Brunius> ha ha!
04:04 <mort-> He is in Sydney
04:06 <mort-> Now
04:07 <Brunius> dammit
04:14 <Avatar> none of us are in sydney
04:20 <Ballig> he's 3 hours away from me
04:23 <Ballig> I should track him down
04:27 <Avatar> go pay him a visit
04:33 <Spaceshot> stalk that bitch
04:36 <mort-> You don't recognize him in rl
04:39 <mort-> I do
04:43 <Brunius> Why don't you stalk him, Alex?
04:52 <mort-> We went out for dinner twice ^^
04:57 <Brunius> Awwww
04:59 <Brunius> Isn't that nice?
05:00 <Spaceshot> good idea, thelen doesn't seem to have a job
05:02 <mort-> So anyway
05:19 <Spaceshot> good dates mort?
05:20 <Spaceshot> :P
05:29 <mort-> We talked shop
05:33 <mort-> Utopia shop
05:40 <Spaceshot> ???
05:49 <Ballig> mort-: did he make you gay?
05:51 <mort-> He is really shy if your not talking about games
06:01 <Spaceshot> most gamers are
06:11 <mort-> I was like bubbling all over him
06:17 <Ballig> thelen has a job, alex doesn't
06:19 <Spaceshot> haha nerd crush
06:29 <mort-> Over the years I've learnt to a certain extent
06:35 <mort-> To pretend i have a life
06:41 <Ballig> did jevouse make you gay
06:42 <mort-> To blend among mortals 
06:44 <Spaceshot> why pretend, it's such an effort
06:47 <Avatar> that's kind of true, I don't have a lot to talk about if we're not talking games
06:48 <mort-> I'm not gay
06:56 <Ballig> you said you were a lesbian
07:09 <Ballig> Avatar: eh, it's more about having something in common to discuss
07:09 <mort-> I have to pretend. It makes my family upset
07:12 <Spaceshot> I do, but it makes me sad :P
07:14 <Ballig> with people who are into games, that's an obvious choice
07:20 <mort-> When i play dnd for 6 h straigt
07:22 <Ballig> mort-: you have to pretend to be a lesbian?
07:24 <mort-> And skip lunch
07:25 <Avatar> some people can talk about fucking anything
07:27 <mort-> No
07:31 <Avatar> I don't know how they do it
07:35 <Ballig> yeah, I talk about anything
07:36 <Brunius> ^
07:40 <Ballig> I'm surprised my co-workers haven't told me to shut up
07:46 <mort-> Just have broader interests
08:02 * mort- labels ballig flappy mouth
08:03 <Avatar> like what, the weather
08:07 <Avatar> or the footy
08:10 <Spaceshot> me and a guy from AIE we're talking for ages about anime and manga
08:11 <Ballig> I discussed the weather today
08:12 <Avatar> or bad tv
08:16 <Spaceshot> and then about halo :P
08:17 <mort-> The weather is impotamt!
08:17 <Brunius> Fucking football
08:27 <Ballig> I've never had a reason to talk about the football
08:30 <Ballig> I've discussed good TV
08:34 <Avatar> it happens a lot in melbourne
08:45 <Brunius> Spaceshot: You should get some Win7 from your Uni and give it to me
08:46 <mort-> You'll get wet if you don't pay attention to it!
08:54 <Avatar> me and a friend found a guy who couldn't shut up about it
08:54 <mort-> Anyway. I'm shy
08:56 <Spaceshot> Brunius: not sure if I can from AIE
09:01 <Brunius> ofc you can
09:03 <Spaceshot> I can get programs, not sure about win7
09:03 <mort-> I don't talk about tv
09:08 <Spaceshot> AIE isn't a uni
09:11 <Brunius> TAFE?
09:15 <Spaceshot> it's an academy, that's in 1 floor
09:20 <Ballig> it's a 'game design school' scam
09:22 <mort-> Might talk about cartoons though
09:24 <mort-> :d
09:25 <Spaceshot> yea kinda
09:30 <mort-> Bolt anyone?
09:32 <Brunius> Tell them you need it for some of the software
09:32 <mort-> :d
09:34 <Ballig> they used to have ads on TV all the time about 10 years ago
09:42 <Avatar> mort: you'd warm up quickly
09:44 <Ballig> Brunius: point is they don't get the educational institute discount
09:46 <Avatar> knowing that it's Just Us
09:48 <mort-> Got some friends saying i resemble rhino :p
09:56 <mort-> From bolt!
09:57 <Spaceshot> they also get auditied every friday
10:04 <Spaceshot> any illegal software and they're screwed
10:08 <Brunius> Ha
10:12 <Brunius> Why?
10:18 <Spaceshot> or so I've been told from another student who was there in the first week
10:38 <Ballig> it's probably a rumour they spread themselves
10:42 <Spaceshot> but we get to ask for any games that are free to get the client to put on the computers
10:43 <Ballig> to keep all the sweet illegal software to themselves
10:47 <Spaceshot> like minecraft, world of tanks
10:53 <Spaceshot> gang garrison and whatnot
11:01 <Brunius> WoT is pretty good
11:06 <Spaceshot> so I've been told
11:15 <Spaceshot> but were there really 165 different tanks in WW2?
11:20 <Brunius> probably !
11:29 <mort-> I don't understand mine craft
11:32 <Spaceshot> I bet there were only 165 takes in WW2
11:39 <Brunius> Likely 150 of them were prototypes
11:40 <Spaceshot> mort-: it's lego the computer game
11:47 <Spaceshot> tanks*
11:53 <Ballig> hell, sweden maintained neutrality and even they had like 30 tanks
11:54 <mort-> Uh you have to pay to play
11:56 <mort-> So i didn't
12:02 <mort-> Play that
12:03 <Ballig> (can you tell I was a little bored at work today so was browsing wikipedia)
12:09 <Brunius> Ha
12:13 <mort-> But i know some people go
12:14 <Spaceshot> haha
12:16 <mort-> Nuts over it
12:18 <Brunius> One of my friends does that in class
12:24 <Brunius> Ends up with like 50 tabs open
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12:40 <Brunius> D:
12:45 <Ballig> D:
12:53 <Avatar> yeah yeagel may not be reliable
12:58 <Spaceshot> I've got I think 30 tabs open with manga that I'll eventually read on my pc
12:59 <Ballig> I remember when we had to use yahoo search in school
13:02 <Avatar> I pm'd him to find out what his story is and got no reply
13:03 <Ballig> because I don't think google was around yet!
13:05 <Ballig> or at least wasn't popular
13:27 <Brunius> lol yahoo
13:36 <Avatar> yeah yahoo
13:40 <Avatar> or altavista
13:49 <Brunius> are they the one that do babelfish
13:49 <Avatar> altavista was the old google
14:01 <Avatar> yeah yahoo does babelfish
14:11 <Ballig> altavista was full of advertising wasn't it
14:13 <Avatar> I have no idea how google got good
14:21 <Ballig> it was fast
14:22 <Ballig> not bloated
14:23 <Avatar> don't remember
14:29 <Avatar> if there was a search field, that's all that mattered
14:45 <Ballig> google basically pioneered the unobtrusive advertisement model
14:53 <Ballig> allowed them to make money while not alienating their users
15:15 <Avatar> yeah I do remember that having text-only advertising was a big deal
15:19 <Avatar> that google came up with
15:20 <Ballig> yahoo (and altavista) were full of image ads
15:23 <Ballig> and took ages to load
15:27 <Spaceshot> ask
15:29 <Ballig> and google was like "nope, we're just text, here you go"
15:30 <Spaceshot> ask jeeves
15:31 <Ballig> and done
15:47 <Avatar> never found ask jeeves useful
15:49 <Ballig> this is before your time Alex
15:50 <Ballig> before your time
16:17 <Spaceshot> maybe
16:28 <Spaceshot> was this before 1998?
16:43 <Ballig> yes
16:58 <Spaceshot> back in the billboard days?
16:59 <Avatar> it was about 1998
17:02 <Avatar> yeah
17:09 <Brunius> Don't they still have billboards around
17:10 <Ballig> bulletin board
17:15 <Spaceshot> those
17:20 <Spaceshot> bulletin boards, whatever
17:21 <Avatar> the ones they still have are dodgier than the ones back then
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17:29 <Ballig> I used to play a MUD, that's how long ago it was!
17:32 <Avatar> you can't get the same appreciation
17:38 <Ballig> man I spent so many hours on that game
17:44 <Ballig> it taught me to type 140wpm
17:47 <Ballig> before I played the MUD, I typed 60
17:57 <Spaceshot> haha
18:05 <Spaceshot> that was the same for me but with wow
18:05 <Avatar> I just learned to type fast naturally
18:08 <Avatar> like a superpower
18:12 <Ballig> how fast do you type
18:14 <Spaceshot> I was really shit at touch typing till wow
18:17 <Avatar> 90wpm
18:27 <Ballig> not fast enough
18:33 <Spaceshot> I haven't tested myself in ages
18:34 <Avatar> I thought you were doing 140wpm on those courtroom keyboards
18:37 <Ballig> you are like batman and I am like the flash
18:38 <Avatar> that doesn't count
18:43 <Ballig> I didn't use the courtroom keyboards
18:45 <Ballig> that's a CAT reporter
18:48 <Ballig> I was an audio reporter
18:48 <Avatar> yeah those
18:52 <Spaceshot> Ballig: you must feel sad in bed constantly
18:53 <Ballig> I typed on a regular keyboard
19:07 <Avatar> I did do 133wpm once or twice, but that was an exception
19:08 <Ballig> CAT reporters do 250+ WPM
19:11 <Avatar> i've never been able to pull that off again
19:24 <Avatar> that's ridiculously fast
19:26 <Ballig> yeah
19:27 <mort-> That's sick
19:29 <Ballig> but it's a short-hand keyboard
19:33 <Ballig> it's like short-hand for typing
19:38 <mort-> Can't really do that
19:40 <Ballig> and requires a computer to translate the output
19:44 <Ballig> and then they have to go through the output to fix words
19:45 <Avatar> I can't understand how that works
19:52 <Ballig> because they do it by syllables of how a word sounds
19:58 <Ballig> so like pressing two specific keys might make a "SHI" sound
20:23 <Avatar> how can you learn to touchtype on that
20:25 * mort- ponders ballig
20:30 <Ballig> it takes 2 years of uni
20:38 <Ballig> and then another 2 years of speed training to get good enough to do it live in a courtroom
20:52 <Avatar> that's ridiculous
21:02 <Ballig> back when I was a court reporter (like 10 years ago) the only university that still taught it was in adelaide
21:11 <Ballig> because it was far more cost effective, and more accurate, to use audio reporters
22:55 <Avatar> not anymore though
22:57 <Avatar> surely
23:23 <Spaceshot> actually audio capturing devices have become very accurate
23:26 <Avatar> digital audio and transcription would work better
23:33 <Avatar> on cassette it would be a different story
23:34 <Ballig> what do you mean not anymore
23:46 <Ballig> I said audio reporters are more accurate
24:05 <Ballig> they record the audio (these days digitally, which they switched to literally just after I left) and people type it up onto a computer
24:13 <Ballig> it isn't done live, it takes a couple of hours to get a transcript out
24:17 <mort-> Ya
24:25 <Ballig> but it means they can re-listen to something over and over until they get it right
24:29 <mort-> Transcription
24:35 <mort-> But you need special tools
24:36 <Ballig> a CAT reporter gets one shot, and makes it really hard when it's a civil case with complex terminology
24:40 <mort-> And concentration
24:48 <mort-> Like a foot pedal
24:58 <mort-> And sometimes people speak muffled
25:02 <mort-> I tried it a bit
25:13 <Ballig> I did it for 3 years
25:15 <mort-> Was thinking of trying to work from home
25:18 <mort-> That way
25:35 <Ballig> from home you can do things like lawyer meetings and maybe police interviews
25:38 <Ballig> can't do court cases though
25:40 <Ballig> not in Australia anyway
25:54 <Ballig> the district and supreme court cases, which was the majority of my work, were really good quality recordings and easy to understand
26:01 <Ballig> magistrate cases were worse, and police interviews were the worst
26:12 <Ballig> you often got entire police interviews where they hadn't even set the microphones up properly so you couldn't hear a thing
26:39 <mort-> Problem is i don't pick things up that well
27:06 <Ballig> I actually think 3 years of wearing earphones at work has damaged my hearing slightly
30:13 <Avatar> you won't need your hearing for all that much longer anyway
30:28 <Avatar> you're what, 1/2-1/3 of the way through your career
30:43 <Ballig> 1/4
30:47 <Ballig> assuming a retirement age of 60
30:52 <Ballig> which, let's be honest, is fairly generous
30:55 <Ballig> they are trying to raise the retirement age every year
31:34 <Spaceshot> by the time you retire will it will be 75
31:53 <Avatar> there were two guys at that centrelink course that were easily in their 60-70s
31:59 <Spaceshot> haha
32:10 <Ballig> shouldn't they be on the old age pension
32:15 <Ballig> and not need to get work
32:21 <Ballig> did the course teach you how to get a job
32:24 <Avatar> I don't know, everyone there was pretty well off
32:35 <Avatar> like none of them were dodgy centrelink drongos
32:44 <Avatar> it was a matter of how are none of us employed
32:45 <Ballig> that's because dodgy centrelink drongos don't show up to those th ings
32:47 <Mekkis> should I give John [email protected] as my email address?
33:06 <Ballig> did you give John a valentines day card Mekkis
33:10 <Mekkis> no
33:13 <Avatar> yeah you make a big deal out of everything John
33:13 <Ballig> oh
34:42 <Avatar> awkward silence
34:43 <Brunius> All the centrelink drongos are out in Tecoma
34:54 <Ballig> they just dont' show up to those courses
34:59 <Ballig> they pretty much do nothing until their payments are stopped
35:02 <Avatar> yeah there was meant to be about 24 people, 12 showed
35:05 <Ballig> then they complain about their payments being stopped
35:06 <Brunius> No they are out in Tecoma
35:09 <Avatar> 2 actually left
35:13 <Ballig> yeah :p
35:16 <Ballig> those 12 were the centrelink drongos
35:19 <Mekkis> when I was on centrelink, I made a point of showing up in a suit
35:30 <Ballig> when I was on centrelink I was 16
35:35 <Avatar> then people would say, yep, that's why he's not getting a job
35:44 <Mekkis> what?
35:45 <Avatar> that's called overdressing :P
35:50 <Mekkis> heh
35:53 <Ballig> I showed up for a job interview in tracksuit pants once
35:54 <Ballig> when I was 16
35:58 <Ballig> and the guy gave me shit for it
36:00 <Mekkis> did you get the job?
36:00 <Ballig> but gave me the job anyway
36:01 <Avatar> haha
36:03 <Mekkis> ok
36:13 <Ballig> he's all like "in my day you would come to a job interview in a suit, didn't matter what the job was"
36:18 <Avatar> seriously, at the table there was like
36:31 <Avatar> a doctor, a receptionist, an entreprenuer, two architects
36:44 <Ballig> were you told to go there
36:47 <Avatar> and a few others who had done random uni stuff
36:57 <Avatar> they asked me if I wanted to 
37:06 <Ballig> if it's optional, that's why only employable people were there
37:10 <Ballig> people who actually want to get work
37:14 <Avatar> for some people it was compulsory
37:16 <Brunius> Are you on newstart Avatar?
37:23 <Ballig> likely
37:29 <Avatar> one guy was there because he'd been there before and - get this - they'd lost the details he had to submit the first time
37:29 <Brunius> It's compulsory for the newstart lot
37:36 <Avatar> so they just made him do the whole thing again
37:37 <Brunius> derp
37:37 <Ballig> ha
37:46 <Avatar> I'm on newstart, yeah
37:53 <Avatar> it's compulsory to show up to the place, not to do this course
37:54 <Brunius> Yeah fairly sure it's compulsory for new start
38:04 <Brunius> If they haven't changed it in the last couple of years
38:10 <Avatar> showing up involves meeting a consultant for 5 odd minutes
38:12 <Ballig> do you apply for jobs Avatar
38:17 <Avatar> yeah of course
38:18 <Brunius> You have to for newstart
38:26 <Brunius> Or they cut off your welfare payments !
38:32 <Avatar> apparently others there don't bother going to the level of detail I do on the 10-job form
38:38 <Brunius> seek
38:40 <Brunius> seek
38:40 <Avatar> one of them just put seek seek seek seek seek
38:41 <Brunius> seek
38:42 <Brunius> seek
38:42 <Avatar> yeah
38:43 <Brunius> seek
38:44 <Avatar> and nothing else
38:47 <Ballig> have you gotten no interviews?
38:51 <Avatar> 1 interview
38:58 <Ballig> man that sucks
39:00 <Avatar> I didn't get that job
39:05 <Ballig> I applied for maybe 20 jobs
39:06 <Avatar> that role had 32 applicants
39:08 <Ballig> and got two interviews
39:20 <Avatar> were they all govt?
39:23 <Ballig> most
39:36 <Avatar> I'm a bit lazy with the applications
39:43 <Avatar> in addition to having possibly too-high standards
39:55 <Ballig> too-high standards was my guess
40:06 <Ballig> you have this habit of thinking it's all good as long as you can bullshit the application
40:07 <Ballig> :p
40:25 <Avatar> well I expected to get further than I have so far
40:43 <Avatar> I get the impression there is a lot of people out of work
40:53 <Ballig> it's always like that
41:06 <Ballig> no use wasting time on applications where you have to bullshit
41:14 <Ballig> because there will be applicants who don't have to, and it'll be obvious to the recruiters
41:42 <Avatar> well I'm not really bullshitting
42:06 <Ballig> not that I've seen any of your applications, but from my observations you do tend to aim high and bullshit rather than aiming realistically
42:07 <Ballig> :p
42:24 <Ballig> the whole "what if I DO get it" attitude
42:35 <Avatar> a little from column A, a little from column B
42:52 <Ballig> but you're better off spending more time on applications that you already meet everything properly, because even on those ones there will be stiff competition
43:23 <Avatar> 32 applicants on that role I had the interview for was huge
43:30 <Mekkis> Ballig, if I want to change my field, what sort of job would I look at applying for?
43:44 <Ballig> what field do you want to change to
43:53 <Mekkis> electronic engineering
44:02 <Mekkis> which I don't have experience outside of university in
44:03 <Ballig> apply for an electrical engineering job
44:04 <Ballig> ha ha
44:09 <Mekkis> really/
44:12 <Mekkis> electrical?
44:30 <Mekkis> then it'll be "you don't have knowledge of HV stuff"
45:16 <Ballig> you could join the army
45:33 <Mekkis> mmm?
45:44 <Ballig> they'll give you a job in electronic engineering
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46:02 <Mekkis> I'll keep that in mind
46:06 <Ballig> :p
46:10 <Ballig> although if you want the APS, go Defence
47:29 <Ballig> when did you get your degree?
47:41 <Mekkis> end of 2009
47:52 <Ballig> you could apply as a graduate
48:09 <Ballig> assuming Defence has a graduate program similar to my department's, you are eligible if you got your degree in the last 5 years
48:26 <Ballig> basically you start as an APS 3, go on rotation around the department for a year (or 18 months), then get promoted to APS 5
48:33 <Ballig> in an area relevant to your degree
49:28 <Spaceshot> I'm going to love trying to get a job/source of income with my career choice
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50:50 <Ballig> Mekkis: http://www.apsjobs.gov.au/SearchedNoticesView.aspx?Notices=10564437%3A1&mn=JobSearch
51:35 <Mekkis> something tells me I won't qualify for a Senior Electonic Engineer
51:52 <mort-> I say desk bound jobs ftw
52:09 <Avatar> agreed
52:16 <mort-> Electrical engineers don't get to irc at work
52:23 <Mekkis> look
52:28 <Avatar> we did some sort of aptitude test where they give you jobs that are good for you
52:35 <Avatar> everyone got shit jobs that didn't work for them at all
52:50 <Mekkis> I'd give up being able to IRC at work in exchange for doing a job I enjoyed
53:03 <mort-> Aww
53:04 <Avatar> that is a tough sacrifice
53:19 <Ballig> not really
53:20 <mort-> Irc makes work more enjoyable :d
53:25 <Avatar> yeah
53:35 <Ballig> IRC makes a shit job tolerable
53:36 <Mekkis> enjoyable work makes work enjoyable
53:40 <Ballig> but a good job doesn't need IRC
54:00 <Avatar> a good job makes not having IRC tolerable
54:24 <Ballig> you worked at a job you didn't really like for 7 years
54:25 <Ballig> :p
54:34 <Avatar> I sort of had it both ways
54:41 <Avatar> there were many points that I did like it
54:51 <Avatar> and many I did not
55:31 <Ballig> Mekkis: http://www.dsto.defence.gov.au/grads/
55:48 <Mekkis> DMO?
55:53 <Ballig> DSTO
55:58 <Ballig> that's where the electronic engineers are
56:41 <Ballig> graduates tend to be treated pretty well
57:24 <Brunius> What does electrical engineering involve?
57:46 <Ballig> it's electronic engineering
57:50 <Ballig> I was joking about the electrical engineering
58:28 <Brunius> What does electrical engineering involve though
59:07 <Spaceshot> make elctrical devices I believ
59:12 <Spaceshot> believe, or engineers them
59:22 <Ballig> I think it's more about the supply of electricity
59:24 <Ballig> but I might be wrong
59:39 <Spaceshot> electricians deal with electricty
59:56 <Ballig> electricians deal with the local electrical systems in a building
00:02 <Ballig> I believe electrical engineers work at the power plant
00:12 <Ballig> and design/maintain systems that actually produce and distribute electricity
00:41 <Spaceshot> maybe I'm thinking of elctronic engineers
02:30 <Mekkis> electrical engineering is transformers
02:36 <Mekkis> substations
02:38 <Mekkis> generators
02:43 <Ballig> yeah
02:47 <Mekkis> transmission
02:52 <Ballig> production and supply of electricity
03:06 <Mekkis> they're the guys who think "high frequency" is 1kHz
03:18 <Mekkis> maybe up to 50kHz
06:25 <Ballig> Mekkis: instead of looking for a job as an electronics engineer, just invent a screen display with properties similar to a piece of cloth
06:41 <Mekkis> then what?
06:45 <Spaceshot> you mean like super amoled?
06:50 <Ballig> 2. ???
06:52 <Ballig> 3. profit
07:45 <Ballig> isn't the AMOLED stuff for use in phones and whatnot
08:18 <Brunius> I want screen tattoos
08:22 <Brunius> Like in that book
08:31 <Mekkis> spray-on LCD!
08:35 <Mekkis> like in d20 future
08:35 <Ballig> ha
08:40 <Mekkis> that would be cool
08:44 <Ballig> yeah, invent that
08:49 <Mekkis> actually, a friend and I were looking into how to do that
08:56 <Mekkis> it doesn't actually seem that hard
09:05 <Ballig> but don't forget you know us when you get rich
09:13 <Brunius> Yeah man
09:20 <Brunius> Don't forget all us poor people
09:22 <Brunius> When you get rich
09:29 <Ballig> my biggest dream in life is to mooch off the success of others
10:06 <Spaceshot> what the tattoos?
10:11 <Brunius> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titan_%28Stephen_Baxter_novel%29
10:13 <Brunius> In that book
10:17 <Brunius> They had screen tattoos
10:22 <Brunius> and I was like "OMGCOOL"
10:34 <Spaceshot> there are already LCD tattoos
11:05 <Brunius> really
11:30 <Spaceshot> yea
11:37 <Spaceshot> they go a layer under your skin
11:40 <Spaceshot> a layer or 2
12:20 <Ballig> screw that
15:04 <Spaceshot> that's good enough
15:16 <Spaceshot> well, as good as we're at at the moment
15:23 <Spaceshot> without using our body as an energy source
16:16 <Ballig> I've always wished I knew anything about electronics
16:53 <mort-> Lol
17:17 <mort-> I wish i could be a lazy mur and play pfs all day long
17:27 <mort-> And still get paid :p
17:46 <Ballig> just work for Mekkis' spray-on LCD tattoo company
19:55 <Spaceshot> I know my way around c++
20:04 <Spaceshot> at least enough to know how to google what I need to do :P
21:54 <Mekkis> do you know templates?
22:25 <Brunius> INTERACTIVE C
25:06 <Spaceshot> are they like the c# classes you make to then make classes off them?
25:14 <Spaceshot> forgot their name in c#
26:05 <Mekkis> no
26:12 <Mekkis> they're like list<int>
28:03 <Spaceshot> would they have another name?
29:12 <Mekkis> I think C# might call them generics
29:43 <Spaceshot> ahh
29:48 <Mekkis> in .net similar things are under Collections.Generic
29:48 <Spaceshot> it comes to mind
30:04 <Spaceshot> yea it comes to mind
30:35 <Spaceshot> though don't ask me to do trig XD
30:48 <Spaceshot> it's screwing my head and I'm only doing pong :P
31:11 * mort- is out from office :d
31:16 <mort-> dinner time!
32:01 <mort-> Can you get dm creds for same scenario
32:11 <mort-> More then once?
32:54 <Mekkis> nope
33:05 <Mekkis> otherwise I'd have a fair bit more DM cred
34:50 <Mekkis> Avatar, you've played QFP3, right
35:33 <Ballig> you can get it for first steps, obviously
35:36 <Ballig> and we be goblins
35:58 <mort-> Ah k
36:28 <Mekkis> and CoTE :S
40:26 <mort-> Can you give first steps dm creds to a more then level 1 character?
41:07 <Brunius> Nope
41:07 <Mekkis> yep
41:10 <mort-> Ah
41:11 <Brunius> Oh?
41:12 <mort-> What?
41:27 <Mekkis> yes, you can
41:42 <Mekkis> if you DM first steps four times, you can apply the credits to four characters
41:54 <Brunius> She means a character of a level other than 1
41:59 <mort->  How about your character plays it once
42:04 * Mekkis has ran FS1 four times, FS2 four times, and FS3 three times
42:09 <Brunius> Fun fun fun
42:24 <mort-> You give the same first step 3 creds from dm to your level 1
42:31 <Spaceshot> each character can only have the same scenario credit once
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42:37 <mort-> I see
42:44 <Mekkis> that's why Nightmare, Itzamna, Kormiggahn, and Asmel all started at level 2
42:48 <Brunius> So what does that make spaceshot?
42:50 <mort-> I see
42:57 <Mekkis> actually, Nightmare started at level 1, then played FS3...
43:26 <mort-> Is there much in fs 3 to talk shit out off?
43:43 <mort-> Oh wait. You probably got free passage
43:44 <mort-> Lol
43:47 <Mekkis> I wouldn't recommend playing it more than once
44:15 <mort-> Can you actually diplo a hostile npc?
44:23 <Mekkis> in some cases
44:23 <mort-> Can't a dm say he isn't willing to talk
44:25 <mort-> Etc
44:40 <mort-> Say in the middle of a fight your getting pwned
44:42 <Mekkis> you need to be able to speak with him for a minute
44:47 <Mekkis> so not in the middle of a fight
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44:59 <Mekkis> in 3.5e, you could at a -10 for a full-round
45:00 <mort-> Nightmare decides to use his charm on a crazy sorc :p
45:01 <mort-> Lol
45:15 <mort-> Even with -10?
45:23 <Mekkis> in Pathfinder, you can't any more
45:25 <mort-> You have +21 ffs
45:27 <mort-> Ah k
45:38 <Mekkis> because that was BS
45:54 <Mekkis> especially when you start taking the Exemplar class
45:57 <Mekkis> actually
46:01 <Mekkis> that was sort of wierd
46:05 <mort-> Probably nightmare is the sort of gnome who is the town mascot
46:26 <mort-> And everyone falls over their feet to do as he says
46:33 * mort- spits on the ground
47:07 <mort-> Should just send him vampires or something
47:14 <mort-> He can't talk to those ^^
47:23 <Mekkis>   Persuasive Performance (Ex): Starting at 5th level,
47:23 <Mekkis> an exemplar can use her skill artistry to improve the
47:23 <Mekkis> attitudes of NPCs. To do this, the NPCs must observe
47:23 <Mekkis> her using one of the skills to which she has applied
47:23 <Mekkis> skill artistry. Treat this as a Diplomacy check made to
47:23 <Mekkis> inﬂuence NPC attitudes (see pages 71–72 of the Player’s
47:23 <Mekkis> Handbook), but replace the Diplomacy check with a check
47:23 <Mekkis> using the chosen skill.
47:59 <mort-> Oh
48:10 <Mekkis> once you realise that it Isn't Hard to get around +100 to jump at that point...
48:33 <mort-> Lol
49:01 <Mekkis> Once you bring in the ELH...
49:08 <Spaceshot> ELH?
49:09 <mort-> Elh?
49:19 <Mekkis> Epic Level Handbook
49:38 <Mekkis> http://www.d20srd.org/srd/epic/skills.htm#diplomacy
49:40 <mort-> Ah
50:20 <mort-> I want and don't want to see nightmare in a scenario that requires diplomacy
50:31 <Mekkis> Attitude 	Means 	Possible Actions
50:31 <Mekkis> Fanatic 	Will give life to serve you 	Fight to the death against overwhelming odds, throw self in front of onrushing dragon
50:32 <mort-> Want in the sense it will be awesome to watch
50:53 <mort-> Don't want in the sense of it gets too easy
51:06 <mort-> Everyone will be falling over their feet to worship him
51:33 <mort-> A bit like that psion hydra created
51:34 <Mekkis> there is a DC35 diplomacy check in BTD2
51:37 <mort-> In another world
52:39 <Brunius> There's not much you can do to upgrade the graphics card in a laptop, is there?
53:17 <mort-> But hydras psion is evil
53:29 <mort-> More like blackmail rather then diplomacy
54:35 <Mekkis> Brunius, yes
54:39 <Mekkis> replace the laptop
54:44 <Brunius> :S
54:46 <Mekkis> why?
56:44 <Brunius> One of my friends was wanting to upgrade the graphics in his laptop
57:09 <mort-> Btw
57:17 <mort-> What do you guys usually do
57:25 <mort-> If someone in party gets dominated
58:11 <Brunius> Kill them.
01:08 <Ballig> kill Brunius, then kill the dominated person
01:36 <Brunius> what if brunius is the dominated person
01:47 <Ballig> then half your work is done for you
01:59 <Brunius> gotta sleep
02:01 <Brunius> Night yo
02:36 <mort-> Cool!
02:45 <mort->  Surely there is a counter?
02:52 <mort-> Like tie him up?
02:58 <Ballig> easier to kill him
03:07 <mort-> Problem is in the heat of combat
03:12 <mort-> You have nono time
03:17 <mort-> Are you serious?
03:24 <mort-> As in easier to kill him?
03:42 <mort-> Does dispel magic work against dominate person?
08:52 * mort- ponders about coup de gras
09:05 <mort-> Well my wizard was perfectly prepared to do it
09:38 <mort-> I've fallen with evil companions
09:50 <mort-> Who pick fights with people in shops
10:03 <mort-> And do tavern brawling
19:37 <Mekkis> if someone gets dominated, cast Protection From Evil
19:58 <Mekkis> (or Magic Circle against Evil, if they're nearby and you don't want to touch them)
20:02 <Mekkis> it happened to Jasim!
23:33 <mort-> Its a dispel?
23:46 <mort-> i think ill stick to spraying jerus
23:56 <mort-> its lower level
24:00 <mort-> But yes
24:16 <mort-> One more thing to add to my bag of tricks
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30:57 <Spaceshot> crap...
31:18 <Spaceshot> I need PFC: Taldor, Echoes of glory
31:29 <Spaceshot> as well as APG and UM for Ava
31:43 <Spaceshot> stupid only way to get perception as a class skill
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35:51 <Mekkis> too many network devices
36:33 <yeagel> hi
36:42 AndChat- is now known as mort-
36:47 * mort- waves at yeagel
37:04 <Mekkis> hi
37:06 <mort-> Using pregen gunslinger?
37:10 <mort-> Hm interesting
37:17 <mort-> I don't remember buck
37:20 <yeagel> hey mort 
37:22 <yeagel> yeah
37:22 <mort-> At low levels before
37:31 <mort-> Will be fun to see a new one
37:40 <mort-> The low level squad
38:02 <mort-> Headed by our general jerus
38:03 <mort-> is pretty pro
38:23 <mort-> The only thing is none of us can heal shit
38:36 <Spaceshot> this going to be on sunday?
38:43 <Mekkis> yeagel, please read up on how a gunslinger works
38:48 <mort-> So just bring along potions with you
38:50 <mort-> Yes
38:57 <mort-> Haha
39:01 <yeagel> yeah, i am
39:11 <mort-> Nah i can out of combat heal now
39:17 <Spaceshot> oh well, guess I won't be jerus' healbot then
39:19 * mort- spits on the ground
39:22 <mort-> Lol
39:34 <mort-> We are screwed as truck
39:37 <mort-> Usual
40:29 <Mekkis> hopefully I can play Itzamna
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41:44 <Spaceshot> stop crashing :P
42:33 <mort-> I'm on train
42:36 <mort-> Can't help it
42:40 <Spaceshot> hey mort, I bet I've asked you this before, but do you read manga?
42:47 <mort-> So it means. Sunday. No healer again?
42:50 <mort-> I don't
42:58 <mort-> Again?!
43:08 <mort-> Oh my fking god
43:24 * mort- starts praying for jaggedsoul to appear
43:37 <mort-> But yeah yeagel. Don't get too alarmed
43:40 <Spaceshot> haha, who's running sundays?
43:48 <mort-> We are fine really.
43:59 <mort-> Me hydra and tristen
43:59 <Mekkis> I think Itzamna has UMD
44:06 <mort-> Yeagel maybe
44:09 <mort-> I have too
44:16 <mort-> One scenario without wands
44:18 <mort-> Is enough
44:23 <mort-> Thank you very much.
44:37 <mort-> Can you bring asmel or something?
44:40 <Spaceshot> what is tristen playing?
44:48 <mort-> Fighter
44:53 <Spaceshot> 2 fighters?
44:54 <mort-> Ranged Archer
44:57 <mort-> Its good
45:18 <mort-> Neither me nor jerus are effective at range
45:22 <Mekkis> what scenario is being run?
45:39 <mort-> Ask ballig
45:57 <mort-> Please don't let asmel be a prick
46:05 <Mekkis> oh
46:10 <mort-> And let me call my little imp to fix me :p
46:17 <Mekkis> if Ballig's running, chances are I won't be playing
46:25 <Mekkis> unless he's running something I haven't played
46:34 <mort-> I know
46:39 <mort-> Ill work on khaz
46:57 <mort-> I'm going to get a book of magic activation for dummies
47:07 <yeagel> gunslinger's a bit of a carry
47:08 <Mekkis> get mort to 5th
47:08 <yeagel> with the grit points
47:14 <mort-> They are very very powerful
47:23 <Mekkis> then you can start playing scenarios that I CAN play!
47:33 <mort-> I think I have to give btd credits
47:34 <yeagel> what exactly is a touch AC
47:36 <yeagel> ?
47:37 <mort-> To khaz
47:59 <mort-> Basic of 10 with your dex bonus and dodge
48:03 <mort-> Its usually very low
48:21 <mort-> Your not telling me gunslingers hit touch ac?
48:27 <mort-> Instead of standard ac?
48:39 <Spaceshot> they do at first incriment
48:47 <mort-> I'm going to strangle you out of jealousy if they do ^^
48:57 <mort-> Ah k
49:05 <mort-> What's first increment
49:08 <Spaceshot> they have small incriments
49:08 <yeagel> what's the difference between the two
49:10 <Spaceshot> I think pistol is 20ft
49:15 <yeagel> touch AC and standard AC
49:21 <mort-> That's sick
49:39 <Spaceshot> touch AC is dex + dodge, standard is dex + dodge + armour
49:43 <mort-> Touch ac is usually much lower then my standard ac
50:02 <Mekkis> touch AC is AC - armour - shield - natural armour
50:05 <Mekkis> to be correct
50:15 <mort-> Say we have a nice fluffy magus chasing after you
50:16 <Mekkis> flat-footed AC is AC - dodge - dex
50:26 <mort-> His ac is 17 
50:44 <mort-> 2 from dex 4 from armor and 1 from dodge
51:03 <mort-> If you hit him on touch ac its only 13
51:15 <mort-> Not very hard :(
51:27 <yeagel> oh
51:53 <yeagel> neat man
51:53 <mort-> Point to note though
52:02 <yeagel> what's first increment, though
52:02 <mort-> You will take attacks of opportunity if you hit someone
52:06 <mort-> With range
52:11 <mort-> Its on the weapon
52:21 <Mekkis> other point to note is check how long it takes to reload
52:25 <yeagel> "Lirianne can resolve an attack against touch AC instead of normal AC when firing beyond her firearm’s first range increment for a cost of 1 grit point per range increment beyond the first."
52:27 <mort-> I don't know gunslingers well enough
52:34 <Mekkis> it takes longer than "shoot outside the screen" 
52:34 <Mekkis> :)
52:35 <mort-> But do not
52:38 <mort-> Shoot
52:40 <yeagel> grit point is a usable stat
52:42 <yeagel> she gets two per day
52:45 <mort-> At a person right in front of you
52:57 <mort-> As in directly in front
52:57 <Spaceshot> no
53:01 <Spaceshot> grit is 2 per session
53:04 <mort-> You take an attack of opportunity?
53:04 <Spaceshot> I don't think it's per day
53:20 <mort-> You kill some poor goblin
53:26 <Spaceshot> grit is per session in PFS
53:28 <yeagel> how many days are there in a session?
53:28 <Spaceshot> not per day
53:28 <mort-> You get your grit back
53:36 <mort-> Depends
53:41 <mort-> Once we had a week
53:43 <Spaceshot> First steps 1 is 1 day
53:46 <Spaceshot> XD
53:51 <mort-> Once we had to finish everything in one day
53:59 <Mekkis> time to fire up the plotter again for my maps
54:05 <mort-> Sure irritated crap out of me
54:08 <yeagel> if i have only two points in a session
54:08 <mort-> Because
54:10 <yeagel> it's gonna suck
54:15 <mort-> Listen
54:17 <yeagel> for gunslinger
54:17 <yeagel> right?
54:20 <yeagel> sure
54:20 <mort-> If you kill someone
54:30 <mort-> I think you get your grit back?
54:32 <Spaceshot> I don't think you gain grit by killing dudes
54:36 <mort-> Something like that?
54:41 <Spaceshot> would be helpful if avatar was in this conversation
54:43 <yeagel> if i crit i get a grit point
54:55 <Spaceshot> since he's got a gunslinger
54:56 <mort-> I'm not familiar with the gunslinger rules
55:07 <mort-> But i remember killing someone
55:09 <yeagel> what are all of your characters
55:12 <mort-> Seems to give it back
55:20 <mort-> I'm a wizard! :d
55:23 <yeagel> i mean, i could take a complementary one
55:30 <yeagel> neat
55:32 * mort- turns yeagel into a frog
55:35 <yeagel> is there a healer?
55:38 <Mekkis> 10339-1: Mytiazair: wizard/rogue/master spy/arcane trickster
55:38 <mort-> Neat still?
55:52 * yeagel ribbit
55:52 <mort-> Seriously on Sunday parties no
55:59 <mort-> We make do :d
56:05 <mort-> Because we are pro
56:06 <Mekkis> 10339-2: Lance Corporal Grolschmir of the Eagle Knights: druid/fighter
56:16 <Mekkis> 10339-3: Deceased: Diviner 4
56:19 <mort-> Right until i triggered that trap :p
56:24 <mort-> With my bum
56:32 <yeagel> ouch
56:35 <Mekkis> 10339-4: Nightmare: Summoner (Synthesist)
56:41 <mort-> If jagged is online
56:45 <mort-> We are good
56:53 <Mekkis> 10339-5: Kormiggahn: Cleric of Shelyn
56:54 <mort-> He has a halfling cleric
57:02 <mort-> 24 ac ^^
57:10 <mort-> Very solid :p
57:13 <Spaceshot> lol mytaizair has way too many classes for a caster
57:17 <yeagel> that's a heavy ac
57:22 <Mekkis> 10339-6: Itzamna: A lovely gnome with a mechanical spider
57:23 <mort-> We always send him into the room first
57:31 <mort-> He never attacks anyone ^^
57:44 <Mekkis> 10339-7: Asmel Hellwick: A fighter for liberation of undead and corruption
57:47 <mort-> And I'm serious. He won't
57:51 <Mekkis> Spaceshot, agreed.
57:59 <Spaceshot> mechanical spide? is that even allowed?
57:59 <Spaceshot> spider*
58:08 <mort-> Because he has str of 10
58:21 <mort-> So he wouldn't do much damage
58:23 <yeagel> i need to afk
58:28 <mort-> Ah k
58:29 <Mekkis> I wouldn't run it if it wasn't allowed, Spaceshot 
58:30 <yeagel> this was like, very informative
58:33 <yeagel> really
58:35 <mort-> Will talk shop
58:46 <mort-> With you later
58:49 <yeagel> i should have more conversations like this
58:49 <yeagel> yeah
58:59 <yeagel> bye
59:02 <Spaceshot> where is mechanical spider from? and what class?
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00:12 <Mekkis> Spaceshot, until you're my DM, you don't need to know
00:29 <Spaceshot> haha I call bullshit character
01:14 <Mekkis> haha I call bullshit player!
01:31 <Spaceshot> wow, that must of been hard to think of
03:37 <Mekkis> it's simple: DM my character and I'll show you his sheet
05:00 <Spaceshot> still call bullshit character
05:13 <Spaceshot> and since it's you making a gnome
05:20 <Spaceshot> it has to be a munchkin
06:49 <Mekkis> I don't feel the need to justify my character to you
07:06 <Spaceshot> and I don't feel that I care
08:24 <Mekkis> I know
08:36 <Spaceshot> good, makes it less effort on my part
09:05 <Mekkis> you love sprouting insults and buzzwords like "bullshit character", and "munchkin". And since you don't actually care about the characters in question, it's obvious that you're doing it to troll.
09:28 <Spaceshot> no
09:35 <Spaceshot> I want to know where you got the mechanical spider from
09:57 <Spaceshot> I don't give a shit about you being a tool, saying that the only way I'll see the character sheet is to DM it
10:01 <Mekkis> you said you didn't care.
10:06 <Spaceshot> about you being a tool
10:11 <Spaceshot> or continuing this any further
10:16 <Spaceshot> but you decided to prod the bear
15:47 <Mekkis> Itzamna's a bard
17:27 <mort-> Itzamna
17:31 <mort-> Can use clw
17:38 <mort-> No need umd
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29:54 <Avatar> canine said he wasn't able to connect to IRC
30:04 <Mort> so he
30:07 <Mort> he
30:13 <Mort> he'll be showoing up on sunday then?
30:14 <Mort> hrm
30:21 <Mort> interesting, we'll see how many we get on sunday
55:12 <Mekkis> http://nl.ti4200.info/~mekkis/IMG_1368.JPG
26:41 <Avatar> how did you deduce that he will show up sunday by the fact that he couldn't get onto IRC
35:10 <Mort> !throw 1d20+10 spellcraft
35:11 <diebot> Mort, spellcraft: [1d20=15] 25
35:12 <Mort> hi avatar
35:21 <Mort> Yeagel is running a gunslinger
35:29 <Mort> if you see him brief him over aobut gunslingers
35:34 <Mort> I know shit about the gun slinger class
35:38 <Mort> Im reading btd2 stuff now
35:43 <Mort> preparing spells...
35:50 * Mort starts finding her monsters and slapping them with her stump
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