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08:49 <Mekkis> moin
08:59 <tashes> i like brownies!
09:19 <Mekkis> tashes, what are you doing this evening?
09:21 <tashes> mekkis: are you hosting a game tomorrow afternoon?>?
10:11 <tashes> i'm drinking :D
10:17 <Mekkis> tashes, there is a very small chance that I will be able to run a session at Griffith University. If you PM me your phone number, I'll keep you posted
10:52 <tashes> wooh!
11:04 <tashes> Hydra'll be in, and i dictate that tristin will too
11:13 <tashes> *tristen
13:24 <Mekkis> what?
13:45 <Mekkis> I meant in-person
23:55 <Mort-> I'm thinking about brownies
24:03 <Mort-> They have 17 charisma
27:26 * Mort- is a shivering mort :d
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04:13 Topic for #d&d is: PFS: Sat 3pm (Avatar, new game) | Sun 1pm-ish (Ballig, new game) | CoTE: TBA || All times are AEDT (UTC+11:00) | D&D and Pathfinder Online http://dnd.ballig.net
04:13 Topic for #d&d set by Avatar at Sun Feb 26 18:15:20 2012
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59:02 <Mort-> Hi :p
59:25 <Mort-> Hydrazine?
00:47 <Mort-> Lol maybe . Shouldntad up
00:55 <Mort-> Its 2 am
01:04 <Mort-> Ok tails. Hit sack
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31:00 <Mort> wuhhh
31:02 <Mort> nayone hoome? :D
31:56 <Brunius> nope
32:07 <Brunius> why are you on irc at 7am
32:09 <Mort> YAY
32:12 * Mort pounces on hydrazine
32:14 <Mort> becuase my kd is at war
32:16 <Mort> and I am going to work
32:19 <Mort> and some idiots didnt do inflitrates
32:24 <Mort> real idiots :D
32:33 <Mort> Im probably gonna get pwned..
32:40 <Brunius> I demand you direct me to this utopia battlefield thing
32:42 <Mort> Im in shabby condition :D
32:49 <Mort> thebattlefields.info
32:52 <Mort> or utopia-game.com
33:42 <Brunius> Oh dear
33:51 <Brunius> Last time I tried one of those games I died.
33:53 <Brunius> Horribly.
33:56 <Brunius> Horribly horribly.
34:17 <MekkisScreen_> heh
34:18 <Mort> yeah
34:21 <Mort> I think Im gonna die :D
34:23 <Mort> I awlays get fked 
34:30 <Mort> its the bite the bullet for the team thing :P
34:36 <Mort> I am using weapon finesse there
34:38 <Mort> I hit fking fast
34:40 <Mort> but not much damage
34:52 <Mort> and my hp..is cannot make it :D
34:53 <Mort> sort of
34:59 <Mort> if you translate my province into dnd terms
35:03 <Mort> Im probably going ot NS some toots
36:00 <Mort> yess my runes
36:06 <Mort> GONNA START NUKING
36:09 <Mort> CHHHAAARGGGEEE!!!
36:10 * Mort charges
37:31 <Mort> damn
37:38 <Mort> that arse put his magic protections on and now my paws cnat land
39:31 <Mort> kk time to go :D
39:32 <Mort> bb
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46:39 <Mort-> Oh yeah so I'm back
47:03 * Mort- wags stump
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51:35 <Avatar`> another brownout
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51:50 Avatar` is now known as Avatar
52:36 * Mort- paints avatar brown
53:08 * Mort- is really a mischeviousmur
57:38 <Mort-> One day I'm at home I'm going to ask on how to save attack commands
01:55 <Avatar> it's !save (trigger): 1d20+1 (description)
02:09 <Avatar> e.g !save see: 1d20+1 perception
02:22 <Avatar> pm those to diebot while you've changed to your character's nick
04:38 <Mort-> /
04:51 Mort- is now known as mort
06:53 <Hydrazine> howdy.
08:38 <mort> How do you do damage
08:43 <mort> And attack at once
08:50 <mort> Hydrazine
08:55 <mort> I just had a great idea
09:04 <Hydrazine> example: !save pa: 1d20+6 attack; 1d12+10 damage
09:15 <mort> I think khaz and mort are going to get familiars
09:23 <Hydrazine> mkay.
09:27 <Hydrazine> i thought Mort already had one?
09:45 <mort> Well improved familiars
09:59 <mort> Use umd. Familiar flutters around
10:07 <mort> Gives clw during combat
10:18 <mort> Since familiar isn't doing anything else
10:33 <mort> Normal familiars cant speak
10:44 <mort> Can't use wands.
10:53 <Hydrazine> ah.
11:15 <mort> And besides level 1 familars
11:20 <mort> Are low in cha
11:36 <mort> The real ones I'm eyeing are the brownie or the imp
11:41 <mort> Imp is more evasive
12:01 <Hydrazine> neat.
12:05 <mort> But i dislike lawful evil things
12:12 <Hydrazine> i would try to flank more on jerus if i had better move speed.
12:17 <mort> I think they are a pit trap
12:42 <mort> As in i think someday it may bite me in the back
12:47 <mort> Imagine me with an imp familiar
12:57 <mort> And we are fighting devils
13:00 <Hydrazine> better than a gnome
13:03 <mort> That imp might just turn on us
13:09 <mort> During combat
13:17 <mort> I wouldn't fault him
13:18 <Hydrazine> aren't familiars unfailingly loyal to their owner?
13:20 <mort> Correct?
13:48 <mort> Alignment issues
13:56 <mort> Ok. You see me beating your brother up
13:56 <mort> Wouldn't you walk over and punch me in the face?
14:34 <Hydrazine> depends on which one of you I like more. And is my brother a dickface?
15:14 <Hydrazine> consider it the other way. what if your brother attacked your one true love?
17:09 <mort> He isnt. At least to you
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18:07 <Mort-> So yes
18:11 <Mort-> As i was saying
18:18 <Mort-> Would you turn on me?
18:33 <Mort-> Imp is really the more ideal choice
18:49 <Mort-> Invisibility at will. Makes moving around easier
19:00 <Mort-> But one less umd.
19:03 <Mort-> And flying to
19:05 <Mort-> Too
19:14 <Mort-> Can get to ailing tanks :p
20:25 <Hydrazine> lol.
20:30 <Mort-> Or maybe i should consider a faerie dragon
20:38 <Hydrazine> i still think i saved some lives by getting my ass kicked last game.
21:10 <Mort-> I nearly died.
21:11 <Mort-> 2 rounds more
21:11 <Mort-> Bb lol
21:24 <Mort-> Its scary bleeding to death on the ground
21:28 <Mort-> Sorry about your pots
21:31 <Hydrazine> i think another advantage of 2h over twf, is that theres no difference between a standard attack and a full attack action for me
21:38 <Hydrazine> until level 6.
22:20 <Mort-> Yeah
23:17 <Mort-> For me there are differences
23:17 <Mort-> I can sort of control 2 mobs if I'm lucky
23:18 <Mort-> I slash at one
23:18 <Mort-> If i hit. And he is woundedd
23:18 <Mort-> I have a decent chance to kill him
23:18 <Mort-> The other one i daze
23:18 <Mort-> He can't note
23:18 <Mort-> Do anything
23:19 <Mort-> If I'm lucky enough
23:59 <Hydrazine> combat for jerus is usually pretty simple. i hit stuff and it falls over, or i miss and nothing happens.
24:47 <Mort-> If i 2 handed swing i can potentially one shot mobs
26:23 <Mort-> Lol
26:23 <Mort-> True
26:23 <Mort-> I have 2 tries
26:23 <Mort-> I slash at one guy
26:34 <Mort-> Daze the next
26:36 <Mort-> Yes i can concentrate well
26:45 <Hydrazine> didn't i tell you daze was awesome?
27:26 <Mort-> And probably do a mean job of defensive casting
27:27 <Mort-> But why do it if i don't have to ^^
27:29 <Mort-> Humanoids only
28:45 <Hydrazine> i'm taking CE and stuff in preparation for the day when I can't one shot most enemies.
29:45 <Mort-> @hand
29:47 <Mort-> @see
29:47 <Mort-> Oh dear
29:47 <Mort-> How do you do it again
29:47 <Mort-> !see
29:47 <diebot> Mort-, 1d20+6: [1d20=8] 14; damage: [1d8=1] 1
29:47 <diebot> Mort-, perception: [1d20=20] 24
29:58 <Mort-> Cool
31:02 Mort- is now known as khazaran
31:22 <Hydrazine> it is @.
33:16 <khazaran> I see
33:20 <khazaran> Doing khaz now
39:57 <khazaran> Ooh
40:01 <khazaran> All on cell
40:15 <khazaran> @2hs
40:16 <diebot> khazaran, slash: [1d20=12] 20; damage: [1d6=5] 12
40:30 <Hydrazine> ed totally saved the day though.
40:32 <Hydrazine> even with 1 hp.
40:37 <khazaran> Yeah
40:46 <khazaran> A grappled one :d
41:19 <khazaran> Grappled people can only hit you with a 1hs weapon?
41:33 <khazaran> Need a new format for sc
41:40 <khazaran> Enlarge is horribly
41:56 <khazaran> Good thing we killed them fast
42:06 <khazaran> As soon as they popped we dropped them
42:29 <Hydrazine> well. you can't do anything that requires two hands while grappling.
42:39 <Hydrazine> including swinging a 2 handed weapon.
42:44 <khazaran> The club
42:48 <khazaran> 2 handed?
42:56 <Hydrazine> it was a quarterstaff.
42:57 <khazaran> I know shit about staffs
43:04 <Hydrazine> well, it takes 2 hands to use it.
43:07 <khazaran> Shi whatever you all it :d
43:20 <khazaran> I sound like a big dumb fighter :d
44:22 * Hydrazine knows grapple rules.
44:32 <Hydrazine> a grappler works pretty well with a rogue too.
44:43 <Hydrazine> target can't aoo for the rogue moving around, gets sneaks.
46:49 <khazaran> Oh god
49:27 <khazaran> Ah god
49:30 <khazaran> Got it out
49:42 <khazaran> @sc2
49:43 <diebot> khazaran, slash: [1d20=8] 15; damage, 1d20+13 concentration: [1d6=5] 10; slash: [1d20=17] 24; acid splash mamage: [1d3=3] 4
49:55 <khazaran> Oh dear
49:57 <khazaran> Screwed up
50:11 <Hydrazine> so you've got damage in there with no roll.
50:12 <khazaran> Try again
50:16 <khazaran> Weight
50:18 <khazaran> Yeah
50:18 <Hydrazine> and then no damage at all for the second attack.
50:26 <khazaran> I'm typing on cell
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57:12 <khazaran> My god
57:21 <khazaran> @sc2
57:22 <diebot> khazaran, slash: [1d20=17] 24; damage: [1d6=4] 9; concentration: [1d20=7] 20; slash: [1d20=4] 11; damage: [1d6=4] 9; acid splash damage: [1d3=2] 3
57:42 <khazaran> 9 damage done that round lol
57:59 <khazaran> @sc2
57:59 <diebot> khazaran, slash: [1d20=13] 20; damage: [1d6=2] 7; concentration: [1d20=12] 25; slash: [1d20=6] 13; damage: [1d6=4] 9; acid splash damage: [1d3=1] 2
58:49 <khazaran> That's preparation for level 6
58:55 <khazaran> 3
58:58 <khazaran> Sorry lol
59:40 <khazaran> @sc2
59:40 <diebot> khazaran, slash: [1d20=2] 9; damage: [1d6=4] 9; concentration: [1d20=12] 25; slash: [1d20=6] 13; damage: [1d6=6] 11; acid splash damage: [1d3=2] 3
00:29 <Hydrazine> nothing that round?
01:04 <khazaran> Yeah
28:55 khazaran is now known as mort
43:07 * mort thanks hydrazine for saving khaz :p
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18:57 <mort> Hi tristen
19:06 * mort wags tail
19:16 <mort> Oops
19:21 <mort> Stump
33:18 <Brunius> not shur if srs
43:10 <Hydrazine> hey tris
49:59 <tristen> hey guys
52:55 <tashes> hiya!
53:42 <mort> Hi!
55:57 <tristen> it's all quiet today!
56:04 <tashes> Thats becuase everyone's hiding
56:09 <tashes> cos i said i wanted to play today
56:58 <tristen> ah! the weekends are when it all goes off...
57:08 <tashes> including me! I'm alawys out
02:10 * mort hides
02:14 <tristen> yes weekends are also for that!
02:31 * mort is a bushlemur
02:42 <tristen> a tail-less bushlemur
05:05 <mort> Yes :(
06:04 <mort> /
06:28 <mort> Oh tristen id like to show you magic
06:46 mort is now known as khazaran
06:59 <khazaran> @sc2
06:59 <diebot> khazaran, slash: [1d20=12] 19; damage: [1d6=3] 8; concentration: [1d20=18] 31; slash: [1d20=19] 26; damage: [1d6=5] 10; acid splash damage: [1d3=2] 3
07:19 khazaran is now known as mort-
09:42 <mort-> !throw 1d20+7
09:43 <diebot> mort-, 1d20+7: [1d20=13] 20
11:13 <tristen> what's the go?
11:19 <Hydrazine> you're a go
11:26 <tristen> heheh hullo!
11:36 <Hydrazine> totally saed your life.
11:48 <tristen> yesterday?
11:52 <mort-> !throw 1d6+5
11:54 <diebot> mort-, 1d6+5: [1d6=5] 10
12:13 <mort-> Basically on my super lucky full attack round
12:14 <tristen> or from khaz's damage?
12:33 <tristen> so what's the chain?
12:35 <tristen> attack once
12:40 <tristen> pass concentration?
12:44 <tristen> get another attack?
12:50 <mort-> I did 8+10+3+10 dmg
12:51 <mort-> Lol
12:55 <mort-> In one round
12:58 <tristen> the pain!
12:59 <mort-> One crit
13:30 <mort-> Most of the time i miss at least one attack
13:35 <mort-> Sometimes 2
14:26 <mort-> Sorry it was 8+10+10+3+3
14:47 <tristen> what's the last +3 from?
14:56 <mort-> Spell crit
15:03 <tristen> wow ok
15:08 <mort-> If my weapon wielding spell crhts
15:12 <tristen> yeah that's a whole lotta hurt!
15:15 <mort-> It crits as well
15:42 <tristen> so does everything after the first attack depend upon whether you pass the concentration check?
15:57 <tristen> (not that it looks like you'd fail that often)
25:08 <Hydrazine> hey tris, a higher level tetori gets even better rolls than i thoght.
25:15 <Hydrazine> absolutely insane CMB later on.
25:38 <tristen> man, you're holding back!
25:52 <Hydrazine> i forgot grab gives a +4.
26:08 <tristen> (hypno-voice) make the character hydra, maaaake the characteeeeer
26:16 <Hydrazine> lol.
27:13 <tristen> it's probably a good time to make another level 1 char
27:21 <tristen> we've got heaps of them around at the moment
28:06 <tristen> i think brunius should roll out a new level one char too if he hasn't yet already...
29:04 <Hydrazine> but are you sure i should make a tetori and not a healing oracle?
29:49 <mort-> Dwarf cleric?
29:55 <mort-> I can go dwarf cleric
29:56 <mort-> Lol
30:05 <mort-> Full plate ftw!
30:11 <mort-> But channeling will suck
30:24 <mort-> I don't really like oracles that much
30:33 <mort-> Dwarven war axe
30:41 <mort-> With spell resistance on :p
30:42 <tristen> yeah i'm pretty sure!
30:47 <tristen> heheh
31:00 <tristen> i think we've got a few clerics around the place...
31:11 <Hydrazine> exactly why i rather make an oracle than a cleric.
31:17 <tristen> oops
31:34 <tristen> still...
32:31 <mort-> I don't like squishy guys
32:34 <mort-> In the front
32:42 <mort-> Id like a paladin
32:51 <mort-> But don't know how to rp one
33:23 <tristen> yeah you do!
33:24 <Hydrazine> i know how to prepare for that.
33:27 <Hydrazine> go read superman comics.
33:37 <Brunius> Tristen
33:43 <mort-> No!
33:44 <tristen> hey broon
33:46 <Brunius> I think I have about three level 1 characters atm
33:51 <mort-> I'm not a hero
33:52 <tristen> oh!
33:56 <Hydrazine> hey Brunius, when you running a game?
34:02 <Brunius> Never
34:03 <mort-> I'm just a mur trying to get around the workmen
34:04 <Brunius> Ever
34:05 <mort-> World
34:08 <Hydrazine> balls
34:19 <Hydrazine> around the workmen..
34:22 <mort-> I'm not a hero
34:23 <mort-> Lol
34:26 <mort-> Cell
34:48 <Hydrazine> but thats how you play a paladin
35:03 <tristen> the workmen? we're not all wearing village people outfits...
35:16 <Hydrazine> i dunno.. hey tris, you got a mustache?
35:54 <tristen> i don't have either kind of mustache!
37:27 <Hydrazine> tris wants me to make another level 1.
37:27 <mort-> I think you are a sweet guy trist
37:37 <mort-> I don't want to cross hydra
37:38 <Hydrazine> i think hes a pretty loopy frood.
37:47 <mort-> He's dangerous :d
37:54 <Hydrazine> why am i dangerous?
37:56 <mort-> I'm a sweet lemur
37:58 <mort-> :p
38:07 <mort-> You hash this big hammer :p
38:14 <Hydrazine> just because i'm named after some toxic chemistry..
38:27 <mort-> And a vindictive streak a mile wide
38:37 <Hydrazine> how am i vindictive?!
38:57 <tristen> hoopy frood! XD
39:29 <Hydrazine> Do you know where your towel is?
39:39 <tristen> next time we go gaming without a cleric i need to pack a pair 'o perilomatic sunglasses
39:40 <Hydrazine> I think I might have to add a towel to all of my character sheets.
39:58 <mort-> No
40:07 <mort-> I will be able to heal
40:12 * mort- snarls
40:19 <Hydrazine> What about a healing oracle?
40:24 <mort-> Once is enough
40:37 <mort-> Can but to heal you need to be close to fighting
40:42 <tristen> anthing to ease the pain
40:46 <mort-> Your lack of armor
40:52 <mort-> Will kill you
41:05 <mort-> Unless you are going to take heavy armor proficiency
41:42 <tristen> !findchar Jerus
41:45 <diebot> tristen, Character: Jerus, number: 352( http://dnd.ballig.net/viewchar.php5?char=352 )
41:48 <mort-> Now who am i to talk
41:56 <mort-> I spend most of my time in combat
42:00 <mort-> On light armor
42:18 <Hydrazine> i don't think i fully updated after last game yet
42:21 <tristen> his ac is good?
43:08 <mort-> My ac isn't
43:14 <mort-> 17 ffs
43:35 <mort-> Oskar and jerus will get better with a2
43:37 <mort-> Ac
43:39 <mort-> I won't
43:46 <tristen> 17 ain't bad
43:52 <tristen> i won't get better
43:58 <tristen> i forego all that
44:28 <Hydrazine> yeah, i moved my armor up a bit.
44:53 <Hydrazine> decided its better to take something now than die before i finish saving up for full plate.
45:21 <Hydrazine> yeah, neither of us get armor training, Mort.
46:17 <tristen> we dealt some awesome damage when that eidelon was grappling...
46:25 <tristen> makes a man want to roll up a tetori...
47:08 <mort-> Lol
47:15 <mort-> I can heal
47:20 <mort-> 20 percent chance now
47:36 <mort-> Of playing with a wand
47:40 <Hydrazine> man tris.
47:40 <tristen> this unsubtle subliminal message was brought to you by the tetori corporation "roll one up today!"
47:50 <Hydrazine> how many kick ass ideas do I throw in your direction?
48:11 <tristen> heheh
48:29 <tristen> dude, any character you create is gonna be awesome
48:31 <mort-> Lol
48:36 <mort-> Agreed
48:46 <mort-> He is awesome!
48:51 <mort-> Go watch bolt lol
48:51 <Hydrazine> not necessarily. but any character i create is probably going to be really good at SOMETHING.
49:02 <Hydrazine> I like to specialize, I guess.
49:10 <tristen> it's all good!
49:38 <Hydrazine> I still think the coolest character i ever made in an rpg was my exalted beaurocrat.
49:41 <tristen> yeah you've got the knack of really working the strengths of the character
49:57 <Hydrazine> His specialty was forms and documents and lying on them.
50:14 <Hydrazine> Even if the forms in question didn't actually exist.
50:15 <tristen> sounds like he should have been on a certain earthbound spaceship!
50:34 <Hydrazine> I think I talked to Mort about him some. He was totally awesome.
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51:39 <Hydrazine> He had telepathy. So even though I didn't fight, I helped the team engage complicated long distance battle maneuvers.
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52:00 <mort-> Yeah he does evil things
52:25 <tristen> lying around on forms and documents? like, naked?
52:48 <Hydrazine> no. like if I wrote stuff down, people would believe it.
52:55 <tristen> :)
53:15 <Hydrazine> magically enhanced bluffs aslong as its on paper, pretty much.
53:21 <Hydrazine> but pretty good bluffs face to face too.
53:29 <tristen> wow 
53:46 <tristen> what gaming world?
53:50 <Hydrazine> Exalted.
53:56 <Hydrazine> Its uh. Different.
54:13 <Hydrazine> I'll talk at you about it elsewhere so I don't spam channel up about heathen game systems.
55:03 <mort-> Lot
55:05 <mort-> Lol
55:18 <mort-> I still have a lot of neverwinter in me
01:51 <mort-> It doesn't teach me to do combat Manueuers though
01:58 <mort-> Just how to blast people
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32:12 <mort-> Ok lunc. 81of
32:13 <mort-> Time
37:41 <mort-> Ah well
37:45 <mort-> Sigh
38:09 * mort- pokes hydrazine
38:33 <Hydrazine> ?
41:19 <mort-> What are the chances that our low level party
41:30 <mort-> Really ends up without a healer
41:52 <Hydrazine> bounce who we play with against who plays a healer.
42:02 <mort-> And say for out of combat situations - infernal healing wand then?
42:15 <mort-> Can you live without a healer?
42:33 <mort-> Is it more of in combat or out of combat
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43:10 <mort-> My umd will get more powerful as i level
43:46 <mort-> If we are really stuck without a healer ill get a familiar to do in combat healing
44:21 <mort-> Actually its economical in actions
44:34 <mort-> Since the familiar wouldn't be doing anything else
44:47 <Hydrazine> mkay then.
44:54 <Hydrazine> ...SO what're you saying exactly?
44:58 <mort-> Hm
45:29 <mort-> Level 5 i use my arcana to get me a familiar 
45:42 <mort-> And i take improved familiar feat
45:50 <mort-> So i get an extra hand in combat
46:23 <mort-> Instead of actually doing any magic or combat feats
46:50 <mort-> Actually level 6
46:54 <mort-> Not 5
46:57 <mort-> Damn
47:13 <mort-> I'm still going close range first
48:04 <Hydrazine> i agree with close range.
48:07 <Hydrazine> so what feat at 3?
50:50 <mort-> I don't know
51:03 <mort-> Maybe toughness/arcane strike
51:04 <mort-> Depends
51:09 <mort-> I won't pa i think
51:50 <mort-> I'm not meant to heal
52:00 <mort-> I already warped several rules trying
55:39 <mort-> Last scenario was crap
56:03 <mort-> Thank goodness our characters can do tons of damage
00:58 <Brunius> Ha
01:11 <mort-> Why?
01:22 <Brunius> Without realising it, Kaleb complies with the hurt me plenty rules
01:37 <mort-> How much ac?
02:00 <mort-> Cant wait till we get of level
02:05 <mort-> To get a proper healer
02:18 <mort-> Well level 2 atm
05:33 <Avatar> how did that happen
07:41 <mort-> Rogues have bad ac
08:09 <Avatar> kaleb doesn't comply with hurt me plenty
08:16 <Avatar> he doesn't have a dump stat, that's the only criteria he fits
08:25 <Avatar> ah sorry
08:29 <Avatar> core book only and rogue
09:10 <Avatar> he has an ability under 12, he has one over 18, he uses lethal damage, and he never establishes a foreign contact
09:38 <Avatar> need that 4th criteria
11:29 <mort-> If you go into melee
11:40 <mort-> Your going to get hurt
11:45 <mort-> Already established that
12:18 <Avatar> what
12:36 <mort-> Unless your name is zirul and you have 24 ac :p
12:44 <Avatar> who are you talking to
12:58 <mort-> Air :d
13:04 <mort-> I'm a fluff head
13:05 <Brunius> His highest is 18
13:10 <Brunius> !findchar Kaleb
13:11 <diebot> Brunius, Character: Kaleb, number: 229( http://dnd.ballig.net/viewchar.php5?char=229 )
13:17 <Avatar> yeah, you can't go over 16
13:19 <mort-> To anyone that might be listening
13:38 <Brunius> Why did you say over 18 then
13:49 <Avatar> I meant 16
13:50 <Brunius> If you want to ramp up the challenge, consider picking any three of the following limits to challenge yourself. If you are playing one of the "I'm too young to Die" classes or have a full animal companion, pick four instead.
13:59 <Brunius> I'm not playing on of those classes
14:07 <Brunius> So it's three
14:30 <Avatar> oh you're right
14:42 <Avatar> yeah you are playing on hard mode
14:59 <mort-> Cons its +1 btw
16:32 <Hydrazine> theres a hard mode?
16:34 <Hydrazine> wheres this?
16:39 <Brunius> https://plus.google.com/115022859420675980618/posts/8ZGscC9Suog
17:59 <mort-> I saw something interesting
18:14 <mort-> What's the master work tool for use magic device
18:34 <mort-> I didn't know it even expisted
18:34 <Brunius> There's no set tool for each skill
18:43 <Brunius> You have to think of it
18:55 <Brunius> Kaleb has a handbook with common activation words for UMD
19:00 <Brunius> A large black cloak for stealth
19:02 <mort-> Its allowed?
19:11 <Brunius> You're paying the 50gp for it
19:12 <mort-> Id like to buy one to
19:16 <mort-> Sure!
19:26 <mort-> How much does it add to skill
19:31 <mort-> Multi use or 1
19:39 <Brunius> Isn't it on the srd
20:04 <mort-> It isn't
20:10 <Brunius> +2 to the skill
20:56 <Brunius> multi use
22:05 <mort-> That's it
22:16 <mort-> I'm getting a book too ^^
23:20 <mort-> !throw 10#1d20+5
23:21 <diebot> mort-, 10#1d20+5: [1d20=10] 15, [1d20=17] 22, [1d20=14] 19, [1d20=15] 20, [1d20=12] 17, [1d20=5] 10, [1d20=8] 13, [1d20=2] 7, [1d20=15] 20, [1d20=12] 17
23:38 <mort-> Woot!
24:24 <Mekkis> Brunius, have you ever complained about PFS being "too easy"?
24:45 <mort-> Here comes healer khaz :d
24:46 <mort-> Lol
24:51 <mort-> With umd ><
27:37 <mort-> Woohoo
28:54 <mort-> Mekk. How often have you run without healers
38:31 <Hydrazine> alllll the time
38:45 <Hydrazine> So Mort, I think I'm about to actually start on this tetori.
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39:03 <Hydrazine> Once I finish the Jerus updates.
39:06 <Hydrazine> Hi yeagel.
39:11 <yeagel> hi
39:29 <Brunius> Don't think so, Mekkis
39:34 <Brunius> Somehow, Kaleb complies with the rules
39:41 <Hydrazine> Whats up? Gonna play with us next weekend?
39:45 <yeagel> yes
39:52 <Hydrazine> sweet.
40:01 <Hydrazine> pregen to start or you rollin' up a character like a boss?
40:30 <yeagel> pregen, but i'll see if i can make one by the end of the week
40:37 <yeagel> *pregen mostly
41:03 <yeagel> i liked how the game progressed though
41:23 <Hydrazine> which one did you watch?
41:29 <yeagel> the one on saturday
42:05 <yeagel> should've saved the log 
42:07 <yeagel> >.<
42:20 <mort-> Lol
42:22 <mort-> Haha
42:24 <Hydrazine> Pretty sure I was in that one.
42:35 <yeagel> avatar was the DM
42:36 <Hydrazine> Did ya see me almost die 3 or 4 times?
42:37 <yeagel> GM
42:39 <mort-> Basically enlarged jerus rocks
42:45 <Hydrazine> ^
42:48 <mort-> I would have helped you
42:52 <yeagel> i saw jerus taking arrows
42:58 <mort-> But i wasn't in any condition to later
43:00 <Hydrazine> yeah. I'm pro at taking arrows.
43:12 <mort-> Lol
43:23 <Hydrazine> I have this habit of wrecking melee and getting torn up by arrows.
43:28 <Hydrazine> but i'm working on my ac.
43:29 <mort-> Btw i found a way to improve my umd skills :d
43:37 <yeagel> breakfast time brb
43:43 <Hydrazine> hopefully i can afford some full plate after next game
43:48 <mort-> A 50 gc master work tool :d
44:10 <mort-> And i get +2 to my umd :d
44:42 <Hydrazine> nice.
44:56 <Hydrazine> i also already have a silver weapon.
45:05 <Hydrazine> so i can scratch that off my list of things to get.
48:22 <Brunius> Hydra, get a bracer of arrow protection
49:51 <Brunius> Hmm
49:58 <Brunius> Actually, getting two of them is probably best
50:06 <Brunius> You do need to be wearing two to get any effect
50:35 <Hydrazine> money.
50:36 <Hydrazine> man.
51:37 <Brunius> Uptier a couple of scenarios
52:39 <Brunius> Dammit minotaur, ship stuff faster
55:31 <Mekkis> Brunius, I have. Once
55:46 <Mekkis> when Mytiazair discovered a spell that took him to the Dark Side
55:54 <Brunius> Have what
56:00 <Brunius> Oh
56:06 <Brunius> What spell was it?
56:33 <Mekkis> I shouldn't say
56:50 <Brunius> You shouldn't.
57:51 <Brunius> Hmm, how long would you think it would take to ship the dragon empires gazetter from america to melbourne?
58:52 <Hydrazine> about 3 weeks.
59:08 * Hydrazine has some experience with sending stuff between states and aussie.
00:21 <Mekkis> Brunius, depending on who's shipping it
00:33 <Mekkis> Amazon can get it in 5 days
01:31 <mort-> I don't mind uptiering stuff with jerus and khaz and oskar
01:43 <mort-> But i demand that we get a proper cleric
02:06 <mort-> Namely someone called zirul :d
02:22 <Hydrazine> lol.
02:23 <mort-> Our damage output is decent
02:28 <Hydrazine> zirul and jerus should be.. friends.
02:35 <Hydrazine> mutually beneficial arrangement.
03:04 <Hydrazine> i think i might have to listen to mc hammer next time i play him.
03:12 <mort-> Lol
03:16 <Hydrazine> just to get the right feel for it.
03:27 <mort-> Zirul just baits
03:38 <Hydrazine> and aids
03:38 <mort-> Jerus starts taking all the fish
03:55 <mort-> Feking helpful guy
04:02 <Hydrazine> fish?
04:10 <mort-> Can't do damage worth shit
04:11 <Hydrazine> hey, i saved the damn gnome.
04:15 <Hydrazine> wtf were you guys gonna do?
04:29 <mort-> Yeah quick thinking on your part
04:43 <mort-> But you were the best person for it
04:52 <Mekkis> I thought Ballig ran last Sunday?
04:58 <Hydrazine> he did.
05:12 <Hydrazine> and.. you ran saturday?
05:14 <Mekkis> yeah
05:21 <Hydrazine> right.
05:21 <Mekkis> what was yeagel going on about?
05:28 <Hydrazine> i think yeagel got a little mixed up.
05:29 <Hydrazine> no biggie.
06:03 <Hydrazine> jerus makes a great pack mule too.
13:27 <Avatar> http://community.wizards.com/dndnext/blog/2012/02/16/multiple_attacks
13:46 <Avatar> is this the kind of feedback wotc wanted from the community
15:04 <mort-> I don't need a packmule
15:11 <mort-> i can carry things fine
15:15 <mort-> Btw avatar?
15:24 <mort-> I just found something for umd
15:32 <Avatar> ??
15:32 <mort-> Get yourself a book
15:37 <mort-> Like kaleb has
15:46 <Avatar> what are you talking about
18:31 <mort-> A book on how not to blow yourself up
18:39 <mort-> Basically master work took
18:41 <mort-> Tool
23:15 <mort-> That gives you +2 to any skill you chose
23:39 <mort-> Then you get to name it whatever you choose
24:01 <Avatar> yeah I already knew about that
24:07 <Avatar> common knowledge mort
24:11 <mort-> I think mine will be called " activating magical artifacts for dummies. A guide for the rest of us"
24:14 <mort-> I didn't know
24:27 <Avatar> +2 to any skill if you can decide on a decent thing for it
24:31 <mort-> Ill get mine as soon as i get home
24:36 <Avatar> some GMs have weird rules about it
24:44 <Avatar> like you have to read for a minute to get the bonus
24:46 <mort-> Its a handbook duh
24:51 <mort-> That's ok
24:54 <Avatar> I think that's pretty extreme
25:15 <mort-> I'm not using it in combat
25:39 <mort-> I have. All. The. Time. In. The. World.
26:05 <Avatar> that's a lie
26:16 <mort-> Don't be silly
26:22 <Avatar> you will be wanting to use CLW in combat
26:25 <mort-> Khaz is far better at killing
26:29 <mort-> Then healing
26:36 <mort-> Watch...
26:36 <Avatar> like wasn't that the main reason for having UMD
26:47 <mort-> The reason for it
26:56 <mort-> Is all the damn wands we can't tap
27:04 <mort-> Even out of combat
27:04 <Avatar> like CLW
27:11 <Avatar> outside of combat you will use infernal healing
27:16 mort- is now known as khazaran
28:36 <khazaran> @sc2
28:37 <diebot> khazaran, slash: [1d20=20] 27; damage: [1d6=1] 6; concentration: [1d20=18] 31; slash: [1d20=15] 22; damage: [1d6=6] 11; acid splash damage: [1d3=2] 3
28:51 <Avatar> rolled a 20 out of the dice
28:59 <Avatar> you'd need that during a game, but now it's gone
29:07 <khazaran> Lol
29:10 <khazaran> And its
29:20 <khazaran> A crit
29:39 <yeagel> how'd you guys roll again?
29:52 <khazaran> !throw 1d6+5
29:52 <diebot> khazaran, 1d6+5: [1d6=3] 8
30:18 <khazaran> !throw 1d20+7
30:18 <diebot> khazaran, 1d20+7: [1d20=15] 22
30:38 <khazaran> 6+6+8+3 damage
30:41 <khazaran> Avatar
30:47 <khazaran> Level 3
33:05 <Hydrazine> do you mean how do we roll in general, or how do we roll with shortcut commands?
35:58 <Avatar> what?
36:07 <Avatar> mort
36:43 <Hydrazine> i can beat that.
37:03 <khazaran> One combat round
37:15 <khazaran> Khazaran
37:19 <khazaran> Not mort
37:54 khazaran is now known as mort-
40:02 <yeagel> how you roll, in general
40:09 <Avatar> just !throw 1d20
40:19 <Avatar> mort-: you don't understand where any of that is coming from
40:21 <yeagel> !throw 1d20
40:21 <diebot> yeagel, 1d20: [1d20=6] 6
40:25 <mort-> I do
40:26 <yeagel> near
40:28 <yeagel> *neat
40:29 <Avatar> but 6+6+8+3 isn't outrageous at all at 3rd level
40:31 <mort-> About?
40:33 <mort-> Ah
40:37 <yeagel> !throw 3d20
40:37 <diebot> yeagel, 3d20: [3d20=11,12,5] 28
40:47 <Avatar> for certain classees, at least
40:50 <yeagel> !throw 2d10
40:51 <diebot> yeagel, 2d10: [2d10=2,9] 11
41:12 <Avatar> yeagel: are you testing dice or are you rolling something
41:19 <yeagel> testing
41:41 <Hydrazine> you can use semicolons to get multiple rolls in a single command.
41:54 <Hydrazine> !throw 1d20+2 kicking; 1d10+5 ass
41:55 <diebot> Hydrazine, kicking: [1d20=1] 3; ass: [1d10=6] 11
42:23 Brunius is now known as Kaleb
42:24 <Kaleb> @melee
42:24 <diebot> Kaleb, Main Hand Attack: [1d20=11] 17; Damage: [1d4=1] 1; Sneak Attack: [3d6=5,2,1] 8; Off Hand Attack: [1d20=14] 19; Damage: [1d4=1] 1; Sneak Attack: [3d6=2,1,4] 7
42:29 Kaleb is now known as Brunius
42:36 <yeagel> !throw 1d10 tens ; 1d10 units
42:36 <diebot> yeagel, tens: [1d10=7] 7; units: [1d10=6] 6
42:54 <yeagel> handy
42:56 <Hydrazine> !throw 1d100
42:56 <diebot> Hydrazine, 1d100: [1d100=88] 88
43:09 <Avatar> yeah you wouldn't roll tens and units :P
43:16 <Avatar> this is the 21st century
43:19 <yeagel> that works too :p
43:41 <Avatar> are you playing this saturday yeagel
44:10 <yeagel> yes
44:17 <yeagel> i'll get up early this time
44:27 <Avatar> did you accept the invite
44:30 <Avatar> it's a 3pm game
44:40 <Avatar> so that's uh
44:42 <Brunius> Do we know who won out of gillard and rudd yet?
44:42 <Hydrazine> playing the pregen gunslinger right?
44:43 <Avatar> 10am your time?
44:46 <yeagel> yes
44:49 <Avatar> Brunius: gillard, 71-31
44:51 <yeagel> i guess
45:21 <Avatar> yeah accept the invite chief
45:48 <yeagel> 10 am is pretty good for me :)
46:41 <Hydrazine> i look forward to new people in gamr
46:43 <Hydrazine> game
47:04 <Avatar> mmm I think I just broke the scheduler
47:39 <mort-> I'm bringing mort
47:41 <mort-> To that
47:42 <mort-> Btw
49:35 <Brunius> Nice 1
51:19 <Avatar> yeah sorry for the spam
52:05 <yeagel> done
52:51 <Hydrazine> alright.
52:56 <Hydrazine> bed for me. later guys.
54:54 <yeagel> later
59:12 <mort-> Night hydra
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53:27 <tristen> hey what's the go with arrows? if i fire a silver arrow in combat - may i retrieve it?
53:45 <Mekkis> 50% chance if it misses\
54:08 <tristen> ok 0% chance if it hits? (understandably)
55:15 <tristen> understandably i think...i mean if the ammo dealt damage then it implies it shatters or something?
09:17 <Avatar> yeah
12:29 <tristen> heya!
12:47 <tristen> "move of the day" yesterday gets awarded to YOU
13:06 <tristen> with the eidelon in the last encounter...
14:10 <Avatar> ha
14:39 <Avatar> that power felt a bit too hardcore
15:01 <Avatar> I can be, I think 100ft away
15:08 <Avatar> and just send in the eidolon and use that
15:19 <Avatar> for a customised hitting machine with the ability to sap damage it takes
16:03 <tristen> heheh, still it was a risk either way
16:16 <Avatar> might be better if you took 1d6/lvl of damage 
16:34 <Avatar> something that adds an element of risk
17:08 <tristen> there was an unusual level of thpeech impediementth yesssterday too!
17:13 <Avatar> even if the eidolon went kaput, I was just going to summon something else in its place as per summon monster 1
17:58 <Avatar> I can't do much in the way of evolutions, probably just going to increase the damage from 1d6 to 1d8 
18:07 <tristen> yes i can't say i've seen the summoner, er, summon as of yet?
18:14 <Avatar> on the bite
18:27 <Avatar> well he summons the eidolon
18:38 <tristen> yeah...
18:49 <tristen> hey i found a nice weapon for oskar today
18:57 <Ballig> he can't use summon monster while his eidolon is out
19:10 <tristen> oh?
19:12 <tristen> ok
19:50 <Avatar> yeah
20:18 <tristen> what's the go with this:
20:22 <tristen> http://www.d20pfsrd.com/equipment---final/weapons/weapon-descriptions/thorn-bracer
20:27 <tristen> see that's off-hand
20:56 <tristen> half the strength bonus on damage i can live with
21:08 <tristen> but what's the off-hand penalty to attack?
21:14 <tristen> -4?
21:23 <Avatar> do you have two weap fighting
21:29 <tristen> or something? like if you don't have two weap fighting
21:33 <tristen> no
21:41 <Avatar> there's a table in the combat chapter
21:58 <Avatar> -4, -8
22:04 <tristen> wow yeah -8
22:09 <tristen> fuck not so good i suppose
22:35 <tristen> maybe keep it for emergencies though
23:00 <tristen> i can still take an aoo with it if someone thinks they can move past my threatened squares without aoo
23:12 <tristen> i think
23:35 <tristen> A thorn bracer can be used to make an offhand attack if you aren’t wielding a weapon or shield in that hand. You can attack with these bracers even while holding objects in your hands.
23:40 <tristen> i mean does that mean i can?
25:12 <tristen> geez ima gonna think about taking twf with oskar if i can
25:26 <Hydrazine> why?
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25:31 <tristen> if i can aoo with the thorn bracer
25:53 <Hydrazine> i got a better idea.
25:57 <tristen> shoot!
25:59 <Hydrazine> take imp. unarmed and just kick em instead.
26:47 <tristen> what sorta damage can you do with a kick?
28:16 <Hydrazine> hmm.
28:21 <Hydrazine> Not much unless you're a monk.
28:24 <tristen> and if i took twf i could maybe buy a second longsword!
28:27 <tristen> heheh
28:29 <Hydrazine> Still think twf for a bracer's silly though.
28:37 <Hydrazine> er. buckler.
29:10 <tristen> buckler?
29:24 <tristen> ah
29:27 <tristen> buckler!
30:10 <tristen> yeah...maybe...don't want attack penalties though...
30:12 <tristen> anyhoo
33:00 <tristen> yeah the bracers aren't a combat solution, just a tricky way of bagging an aoo
33:02 <Hydrazine> i overestimated the tetori a bit.
33:11 <tristen> without having to switch weapons...
33:14 <tristen> how?
33:25 <Hydrazine> or rather, I overestimated how far I could get with a stat buy.
33:44 <tristen> badly?
33:48 <Hydrazine> not massively. Just not quite as crazy as I first though.
34:03 <Hydrazine> Should still be good. Just not that mind-blowingly good.
34:26 <tristen> heheh he'll be awesome no fear
35:58 <Hydrazine> trying to work out stats for it.
42:35 <Ballig> tristen: PM
43:00 <Avatar> I played a 3.5 game where an arcane archer was allowed to make bracers of true strike with 50 charges in them (1 use = 1 charge) for 8k. The campaign ended soon after as the 3 other players became little more than a distraction. Mega-archer could handle most single foes, had a couple things to handle groups, and of course w/his bracers, speed and range could make ANY shot he wanted on the BBEG's.
43:30 <Avatar> who does that remind you of
43:46 <Hydrazine> ....mort?
43:57 <Avatar> that's a really bad guess
45:09 <Hydrazine> ...me?
48:21 <Avatar> you're not even trying now
48:34 <Hydrazine> perhaps intentionally not trying?
49:05 <Hydrazine> see, i've seen games where people get nuts like that in 3.5, but the whole party did it.
49:14 <Hydrazine> so the dm just kicked it up and notch and we went on our merry way.
51:10 <mort-> Lol me :p
51:31 <Hydrazine> The only movement you can take during a full attack is a 5-foot step. You may take the step before, after, or between your attacks.
51:34 <mort-> I haven't tried fudging any rolls with true strike yet:-)
53:04 <mort-> I talk shop
53:14 <mort-> But i haven't really done it yat
53:16 <mort-> Yet
53:22 <Hydrazine> holy shit.
53:26 <Hydrazine> i just found something amazing.
54:12 <mort-> What!
54:27 * mort- pounces on hydrazine
55:07 <Hydrazine> a level one monk can cause an enemy to make a fort save with an attack. failing it means it loses its ability to move more than 5 feet. and to do the free 5ft step.
55:46 <Hydrazine> an enemy that can't move at all without provoking AooS.
55:51 * Hydrazine considers.
56:01 <Avatar> that's scorpion style isn't it
56:14 <Hydrazine> yes.
56:28 <Hydrazine> i didn't know it deprived the aoo-free 5ft step though.
57:08 <Avatar> I don't think it does?
57:15 <Hydrazine> indeed.
57:17 <Avatar> the feat text doesn't say that
57:25 <Hydrazine> You can only take a 5-foot-step if your movement isn't hampered by difficult terrain or darkness. Any creature with a speed of 5 feet or less can't take a 5-foot step, since moving even 5 feet requires a move action for such a slow creature
57:33 <Avatar> oh
57:43 * Hydrazine pro at reading.
57:49 <Avatar> where does it say that
57:59 <Hydrazine> combat, misc actions, take 5 ft step
58:25 <mort-> Identify
58:38 <Avatar> in caps
58:39 <Hydrazine> similarly, you can't take a 5ft step if you're crawling prone, because thats a move action.
59:27 <mort-> IDENTIFY
59:37 <Hydrazine> ...a polearm barbarian could attack from 90 feet away in one round. hm.
59:40 <mort-> I can't talk in pm
59:43 <Avatar> yeah that's hardcore
59:54 <Avatar> couple that with combat reflexes
00:22 <mort-> Same channel
00:35 <Hydrazine> mhm.
01:02 <Ballig> mort-: that "IDENTIFY" is ONLY for diebot
01:03 <Ballig> nothing else
01:25 <mort-> I can't pm people on cell
01:27 <mort-> Sux
01:52 <Ballig> you can PM anyone who does mode -R
02:24 <Hydrazine> acrobatics check and tumble just to move 5ft without AoO..
03:25 <Hydrazine> get someone locked up in melee around a monk like that, and its on.
03:56 <Avatar> could put a gunslinger in a lot of trouble
03:58 <Ballig> I've been freaking out thinking one of my monitors is half off the back of my desk
04:11 <Ballig> I just realised it's just the shadow cast by the monitor, the desk goes back a lot further
05:07 <tristen> extradimensional!
05:27 <Ballig> channel smite seems stupid
06:44 <Hydrazine> hm. so if you do a charging disarm, you add two to the cmb?
07:04 <Avatar> doesn't channel smite work a bit like sneak attack
07:18 <Ballig> channel smite works like smite evil for paladins
07:32 <Avatar> I don't know how smite evil works at all
07:34 <Ballig> you use one of your daily channels, and if you succeed on your melee attack you do the smite damage to your target
07:36 <Ballig> but they still get to save
07:42 <Ballig> so you might as well just do the channel in the first place
08:04 <Avatar> yeah that's true
08:13 <Avatar> unless you're channelling negative and dont' want to kill everyone
08:19 <Ballig> the only time it's useful is when you want to deal weapon damage and channel damage at the same time, but seeing as it turns your channel into single-target it seems like a huge waste
08:38 <Avatar> the melee attack has to hit too
08:52 <Avatar> is it wasted if you miss?
09:35 <Ballig> it's wasted if you miss
13:02 <Ballig> hmm it's a full round to throw a spear
15:17 <Avatar> no way
15:41 <Ballig> yeah
15:57 <Avatar> where does it say that
16:09 <Ballig> under the Thrown Weapons part of the equipment section
17:50 <Avatar> wow, that sucks
18:19 <Avatar> almost seems broken
18:23 <Ballig> why
18:27 <Avatar> I would've thought you'd throw it like a javelin
18:32 <Avatar> but javelin is a 'ranged weapon', so it's standard
18:35 <Ballig> yeah
18:45 <Avatar> two handed is more like a um
18:50 <Ballig> you can throw a shortspear like a javelin
18:59 <Avatar> like swinging something around you and throwing it
19:03 <Avatar> I can't think of a specific example
19:13 <Ballig> like hammer throw?
19:20 <Avatar> yeah
19:47 <Avatar> or maybe a club !
19:53 <Avatar> which is one handed
19:56 <Ballig> a club is standard
19:59 <Avatar> it is easier to throw a club than it is to throw a spear
20:08 <Ballig> but you can't throw it as far
20:11 <Hydrazine> faster.
20:23 <Avatar> yeah easier/faster
20:48 <Avatar> very odd
20:49 <Ballig> and it doesn't do as much damage
23:38 <Hydrazine> atlatls are actually legal to hunt with in some states.
23:50 <Hydrazine> a uh. spear-thrower.
25:55 <Mekkis> do you take a penalty for throwing a longsword?
26:04 <Brunius> Weren't you going to go to sleep hydra
26:22 <Ballig> Mekkis: -4
26:26 <Ballig> unless you have Throw Anything
26:40 <Mekkis> you sure?
26:56 <Ballig> yes
26:57 <Mekkis> ah
26:58 <Mekkis> ok
27:13 <Ballig> it has to have a numeric entry in the Range column to not attract the -4
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28:15 <Mekkis> if you have throw anything, and throw a huge quarterstaff, what's the penalty?
29:06 <Ballig> I'd have to look up what happens when you use oversized weapons
29:27 <Mekkis> would it be considered an oversized weapon 
29:35 <Mekkis> (-2 for each size catagory different)
29:44 <Ballig> when you say huge quarterstaff, aren't you saying a quarterstaff made for a huge creature?
30:05 <Mekkis> or would it be considered an improvised weapon (-4 for improvised, negated by Throw Anything)
30:08 <Mekkis> yes
30:44 <Ballig> I think you'd consider it an oversized weapon, but you have an issue that it might become too big to use
31:02 <Ballig> the weapon's designation would change to something other than light, one-handed or two-handed
31:07 <Mekkis> what about a tree trunk?
31:37 <Ballig> a quarterstaff starts off as two-handed
31:44 <Ballig> making it huge increases the designation twice
31:47 <Ballig> which is off the scale, so you can't wield it
31:59 <Ballig> you could wield a huge dagger as a two-handed weapon
32:02 <Mekkis> a tree trunk, however, starts off Improvised
32:31 <Ballig> throw anything removes the penalty for improvised ranged, not necessarily for improvised in general
32:45 <Ballig> but keep in mind the designations
33:03 <Mekkis> throw anything would let you throw a bottle at someone without the -4
33:05 <Ballig> you can't wield a two-handed melee weapon that is one size larger
33:07 <Ballig> because it's off the scale
33:12 <Mekkis> true
33:21 <Brunius> I think there's a feat to remove the improvised as a whole
33:22 <Ballig> so to wield something two sizes larger, it has to start off light
33:36 <Mekkis> to throw something, though...
33:42 <Ballig> you have to wield it to throw it
34:00 <Ballig> sure, you can carry a battering ram by yourself
34:06 <Ballig> and kind of let it fall 5 feet in front of you
34:09 <Ballig> but you're not really using it as a weapon
34:30 <Spaceshot> and you say I'm trying to cheese with my alchemist
34:40 <Hydrazine> starting off as light weapons and moving up the scale really doesn't benefit from what i've looked.
34:42 <Ballig> he's asking hypotheticals
34:54 <Hydrazine> i thought about 2 weapon sizes up.
35:00 <Ballig> what if it's a light mace
35:01 <Spaceshot> he's asking questions that if he gets a good answer he'll then use
35:13 <Mekkis> what I was really trying to find out is whether Grolschmir should carry around longswords or greatswords to throw at people
35:20 <Brunius> He should
35:21 <Ballig> makes it 2d6, which is about what you'd expect from a two-handed weapon
35:23 <Mekkis> and what size they are
35:28 <Brunius> Then he will be an andoran sword bomber
35:37 <Mekkis> he's thrown swords before
35:41 <Mekkis> and occasionally hit
35:42 <Brunius> Didn't I suggest that to you at arc?
35:50 <Mekkis> he did it a Paizocon
36:16 <Ballig> Mekkis: go huge dagger
36:19 <Ballig> it has a range
36:29 <Mekkis> would be large dagger
36:42 <Ballig> okay, large dagger
36:44 <Mekkis> Grolschmir is small
36:45 <Ballig> that's like a shortsword, right
36:46 <Mekkis> hmmm...
36:54 <Mekkis> what if Ari takes Throw Anything...
37:09 <Ballig> but it would take you a full round to throw a large dagger
39:03 <Mekkis> the site isn't letting me accept the invitations
39:13 <Ballig> is it just not responding?
39:20 <Mekkis> I hit accept
39:22 <Mekkis> it reloads
39:26 <Mekkis> and doesn't show anything
39:28 <Ballig> hm
39:31 <Ballig> it should only reload if it's worked
39:41 <Ballig> keep in mind it lets you 'change your mind'
39:42 <tristen> hit ctrl-shift-j in firefox
39:52 <tristen> and look for javascript errors
39:53 <Ballig> what's ctrl shift j
39:59 <Ballig> ahh
40:08 <tristen> gives you the error console
40:14 <Mekkis> http://dnd.ballig.net/schedule.php5?id=9
40:15 <tristen> and install firebug too
40:24 <Ballig> yeah it hasn't accepted it for you
40:26 <Ballig> is there a javascript error
40:40 <Mekkis> Error in parsing value for 'filter'. Declaration dropped
40:46 <Mekkis> warnings, no errors
40:51 <Ballig> that's CSS pretty sure
40:58 <Mekkis> oh
41:00 <Mekkis> speaking of CSS
41:15 <Mekkis> any chance you can make it use single spacing for character sheets?
41:52 <Ballig> what is it now
41:53 <Ballig> and why
42:25 <Mekkis> it makes sheets look crappy
43:12 <Mekkis> well, Avatar: for QFP1, put me down as accepted, with 4,4,6,9
44:30 <Ballig> wonder why it does that to you and Mort
44:48 <Mekkis> I'll try a different browser
45:04 <Ballig> if it's reloading it shouldn't be a javascript error, I wouldn't think
45:30 <Spaceshot> any sentence on the character sheet doesn't wrap properly on opera for me
45:36 <Spaceshot> on chrome it looks good though
45:42 <Brunius> First problem: You're using opera
46:13 <Spaceshot> haha, opera does what I want it to do on my comp
46:53 <Mekkis> doesn't work on firefox or elinks
46:54 <Brunius> Fails?
47:39 <Brunius> Updated javascript recently?
48:07 <Ballig> if there are no javascript errors it shouldn't be javascript
48:17 <Ballig> all that's doing is sending the request for the page
48:24 <Mekkis> doesn't seem to work on konqueror/kde4
49:00 <Brunius> Have you disabled scripting.
49:03 <Mekkis> no
49:08 <Brunius> That seems to be a thing many linux users do
49:41 <Mekkis> Error: http://dnd.ballig.net/cgi-bin/mootools-core-1.4.1-full-compat-yc.js: TypeError: Value undefined (result of expression p.createElement) is not an object. Cannot be called.
49:41 <Mekkis> Error: http://dnd.ballig.net/cgi-bin/default.js: ReferenceError: Can't find variable: Request
49:41 <Mekkis> Error: http://dnd.ballig.net/schedule.php5?id=9: TypeError: Value undefined (result of expression window.addEvent) is not an object. Cannot be called.
49:44 <Mekkis> yay
49:46 <Mekkis> some errors
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50:28 <Ballig> Mekkis: I accepted it manually for you
50:32 <Ballig> I'll try and track down the issue
50:45 <Ballig> might make some non-javascript options just in case
50:47 <Mekkis> comment is "I assume you don't want me to bring Nightmare..."
51:12 <Ballig> was it asking for the comment when you clicked the link
51:23 <Mekkis> in firefox and konqueror, ues
51:24 <Mekkis> yes
52:55 <Ballig> does it let you decline now that you've been manually accepted?
54:15 <Mekkis> yes
54:28 <Ballig> hm no
54:38 <Mekkis> doesn't let me reaccept
54:38 <Ballig> it didn't decline you, it just removed your acceptance
54:44 <Mekkis> ah
54:49 <Ballig> it's definitely not a javascript issue
54:56 <Mekkis> database?
55:02 <Ballig> yeah it'll be the php
55:08 <Mekkis> storing IP address as VARCHAR(15)?
55:09 <Ballig> just not sure why it's picking on you
55:16 <Mekkis> (that's what that profiler was doing)
55:17 <Ballig> it doesn't store IP addresses
03:48 <tristen> !findchar Ava
03:52 <diebot> tristen, Character: Ava, number: 345( http://dnd.ballig.net/viewchar.php5?char=345 )
04:43 <Brunius> At least this hasn't disconnected yet
04:45 <Ballig> ha, replicated it
04:49 <Ballig> okay now to figure out why it's doing it
07:06 <Avatar> canine's timezone changed
07:14 <Ballig> so he's been on the website?
07:14 <Avatar> what's 8 hours behind 3pm
07:24 <Ballig> what timezone did he give you
07:29 <Ballig> (it's 7am)
07:30 <Avatar> that's the timezone he gave me
07:36 <Avatar> he's stopping in tonight
07:57 <Ballig> what timezone did he give you
08:02 <Ballig> I'm worried you're misinterpreting it
08:11 <Avatar> 8 hours behind is what he said
08:22 <Ballig> hopefully he's not misinterpreting it
08:40 <Avatar> works well if he's right
08:42 <Brunius> He'll probably end up showing up at like 3am
09:15 <Avatar> unless any of you are still hooked on morning games
09:19 <Ballig> somehow the comments are getting in the way
09:29 <Ballig> I'd rather not run a 3pm game on a sunday
10:06 <Mekkis> Private ownership of automatic weapons is not high in most countries for obvious reasons. They have the capacity to kill and maim a lot of people very easily and should only be handled by trained professionals, i.e. police and military forces who will only kill and maim lots of people when deemed appropriate by a state.
10:37 <tristen> ballig: 3pm's probably a bit late...
10:50 <Ballig> I just don't want to run a game until like 9pm on a sunday
10:53 <Ballig> that's a bit late for me
10:57 <Ballig> saturday I'm fine
10:58 <Avatar> oh yeah
11:02 <Avatar> I didn't think of that
11:02 <tristen> yep
11:12 <Brunius> Mekkis, do you have a twitter?
11:16 <Mekkis> no
11:20 <Brunius> I hear those sorts of quotes go well on there
11:50 <Avatar> terrorist advice
12:35 <yeagel> you mean, legal private ownership
13:26 <Avatar> that too
14:34 <yeagel> i wonder if arms manufacturers are actually aware of the fact that their products are being used to harass civillians
14:42 <yeagel> and turn a blind eye for profits
14:54 <Brunius> Probably fully aware
14:55 <yeagel> the ideal thin to do would be to cease production
15:32 <yeagel> around here, the police is very underequipped
15:36 <yeagel> they still use muskets
15:54 <yeagel> and terrible made rifles
16:29 <Brunius> You get police over there?
16:47 <Brunius> Around here we get cops at the police station one day a fortnight from 10am-2pm or something stupid
17:19 <tristen> yeagel: watch bowling for columbine sometime...
17:43 <tristen> frightening
20:05 <Hydrazine> where is this, yeagel?
20:55 <Brunius> India?
21:51 <Ballig> Mekkis: accept the invitation now
22:28 <Mekkis> seems to work now
22:31 <Ballig> yeah
22:36 <Mekkis> thanks for that
22:40 <Ballig> tristen ruined it for you
22:46 <Ballig> by adding a single quote to his comment
22:50 <Ballig> so no one after him could accept or decline
22:51 <Ballig> what a jerk!
23:05 <Ballig> mort-: means you can also accept it now
23:20 <Brunius> Why don't I ever get invites :(
23:24 <mort-> Lol
23:29 <Ballig> you got an invite, you declined it
23:41 <Brunius> I may have
23:48 <Ballig> you did
23:50 <Ballig> it says so right here
23:57 <Ballig> Brunius has declined the invitation.
23:58 <Ballig>   Comment: Already played it, sorry guys. (Avatar has, too)
24:09 <Avatar> yeah I accidentally sent myself an invite
24:15 <Avatar> to my own game
24:28 <Brunius> Nice
24:38 <Brunius> Oh, it's QFP
24:55 <Ballig> yeah
25:20 <Brunius> Yeah no wonder I declined
26:24 <tristen> ballig: you're a very naughty boy
26:35 <Ballig> your face is
26:40 <Avatar> I don't like where this conversation is going
26:54 <Ballig> he's going to reprimand me for not making my mysql query strings safe
26:55 <Brunius> Night guys
27:00 <Avatar> gg
27:02 <tristen> :)
27:13 <Avatar> maybe you can combine the scheduler and the pathfinder society thing
27:26 <Ballig> sounds like more effort than it's worth
27:36 <Avatar> could be awesome
27:52 <Ballig> I would have to find a way to make the schedule recognise an official pathfinder society scenario
28:08 <Ballig> which would be a bit annoying UI-wise
28:29 <Brunius> Mmm
28:33 <Avatar> dropdown
28:40 <Ballig> yeah but what about when you're not scheduling a PFS game
28:43 <yeagel> yes, i'm indian
28:43 <Ballig> you don't want a dropdown
28:46 <Ballig> you want to be able to type in it
28:46 <Brunius> A dropdown with hundreds of scenarios in it?
28:55 <yeagel> also i'm at work, so i keep going on and off
29:00 <yeagel> but i'm lurkin' :)
29:03 <Avatar> hmmmm
29:10 <Avatar> yeagel: you're not lurking
29:14 <Avatar> tashes lurks
29:15 <tristen> hey avatar did you finish roadside picnic?
29:15 <Mekkis> really?
29:17 <Mekkis> wow
29:27 <Avatar> no I am not much of a reader
29:28 <Mekkis> chances are tristen will start trying that with diebot too
29:33 <Avatar> it hasn't grabbed me that much
29:40 <Ballig> also, even if it was able to identify people on the list that haven't played the game (which is what I assume you want it to do), it's going to continue to choose people who have nothing on their list
29:42 <Ballig> like DarkWhite
30:15 <Avatar> if darkwhite doesn't plan on coming back now that BTD is over, deactivate him
30:18 <Mekkis> assume he's ran everything
30:22 <tashes>  Avatar  always knows when i walk in the door. 
30:30 <Avatar> :o)
30:32 <tristen> what like !throw 1d20+';truncate every table in the database';
30:38 <Mekkis> yeah
30:42 <tristen> heheh
30:44 <Mekkis> see if you can find anything
30:45 <tristen> nah
30:49 <Mekkis> it talks to two databases
30:52 <tristen> thelen's keen on that sort of thing
30:55 <tristen> i cbf
31:00 <Mekkis> !throw doesn't use any of them
31:09 <Avatar> speaking of thelen, where is he
31:20 <tristen> he's around
31:23 <Ballig> <?hello how are ';drop table
31:25 <Avatar> lies
31:32 <Mekkis> heh
31:34 <Brunius> tashes, you're in cyan
31:39 <Mekkis> <? doesn't use it either!
31:44 <tashes> what waht?
31:46 <tristen> yeah his interest has waned a bit i think
31:48 <tashes> we're playing?
31:51 <tristen> lol
31:55 <Ballig> waned a lot
31:58 <Hydrazine> huh?
32:05 <Avatar> he's got your aasimar?
32:10 <Ballig> odd that he was gung-ho up to and including the convention
32:11 * tashes confuzzled
32:12 <Ballig> and then a bit after
32:14 <Ballig> then bam, lost interest
32:26 <Brunius> He had something about a server takeover by his friend
32:35 <Brunius> tashes: Everyone has their own colour in my client
32:44 <Brunius> I ran out of colours, so now I'm using hard to read colours
32:46 <Brunius> Like cyan
32:46 <tashes> oh right!
32:50 <tashes> balig should do that! 
32:54 <Brunius> Next is yellow :S
33:08 <tashes> Make the background black, then you can read all the colours
33:15 <Ballig> tashes: is this a bad time to admit that when you said Avatar always knows when you walk in the door, I actually thought tristen said it
33:21 <Hydrazine> except blck.
33:25 <Ballig> until like 3 minutes ago when Brunius mentioned you by name
33:39 <tashes> :s
33:43 <tashes> BALLIG HATES ME
33:51 <tashes> NOW HE'S FORGETTING I EVEN TALK IN CHANNEL
34:02 <Ballig> it's the boobs
34:05 <Ballig> they are hate magnets
34:21 <tashes> Um.. 
34:22 <tristen> boobs are hate magnets?
34:25 <tashes> is that why you've got not friends?
34:35 <Mekkis> I'm going to call Itzamna's eidolon "Perfection"
34:42 <tristen> i'm quite fond of boobs myself
34:50 <Avatar> concur
34:54 <Hydrazine> i like boobs.
34:54 <Ballig> eh
34:56 <Brunius> I don't seem to be able to turn the background black, tashes
35:00 <Ballig> boobs are highly overrated
35:04 <Brunius> ^
35:05 <Spaceshot> what's this about boobs I'm hearing?
35:10 <Mekkis> Brunius, what a crappy client!
35:12 <tashes> Speaking of spaceshot..
35:18 <Brunius> I know, right?
35:20 <Avatar> good on ya spaceshot
35:21 <Ballig> Brunius: you can
35:24 <Ballig> I've been doing it for 10 years
35:24 <Brunius> You should release one, Mekkis
35:27 <Brunius> How, Ballig?
35:31 <Mekkis> I have, Brunius !
35:41 <Brunius> Oh?
35:42 <Ballig> click colours
35:43 <Ballig> click the background
35:44 <Ballig> click black
35:52 <Mekkis> several
35:55 <Brunius> Where's colours
36:01 <Mekkis> one in Qt, one in VB, on in C
36:05 <Mekkis> they're all pretty crappy
36:19 <Brunius> Sweet
36:20 <Brunius> Black
36:20 <Ballig> it's a toolbar icon
36:22 <Spaceshot> VB?
36:24 <Spaceshot> really?
36:26 <Mekkis> yeah
36:27 <Mekkis> really
36:31 <tristen> gnight all
36:34 <Brunius> VB can handle it?
36:35 <Mekkis> I can send it to you if you really care
36:38 <Brunius> night tristen
36:39 <Mekkis> VB .net
36:41 <Spaceshot> I'm good
36:43 <Brunius> I should probably sleep now
36:45 <Brunius> Night yo
36:48 <Mekkis> I did it the night before my job interview
36:48 <Ballig> tata
36:56 <Mekkis> my first exposure to VB
36:59 <Mekkis> I got the job
37:14 <Brunius> Does it have pretty colours
37:17 <Mekkis> no
37:21 <Brunius> Not interested
37:30 <Mekkis> you can program them in yourself
37:42 <MekkisScreen_> just use irssi
37:49 <MekkisScreen_> really
37:55 <MekkisScreen_> ir works well in a screen session
38:07 <MekkisScreen_> so you can connect from wherever
38:09 <Spaceshot> ok... now what did you program in vb?
38:36 <tashes> spaceshot get online, come play dominion
38:38 <tashes> cos i missed otu last time
38:49 <Mekkis> whatever my boss asks for
39:47 <Brunius> This black is really quite cool
39:49 <Spaceshot> tashes: soz but atm I'm playing HoN XD
39:58 <Spaceshot> how long do you think you'll be online for?
40:00 <mort-> I'm out :d
40:06 <tashes> Whelp, back to hating on Spaceshot  then. 
40:09 <tashes> elitist prick :p
40:14 <mort-> As in out of office :d
40:16 <mort-> Haha
40:22 <Spaceshot> wha?
40:27 <mort-> guess could start playing now :p
40:28 <Spaceshot> what I do?
40:45 * tashes ignores
40:46 <Mekkis> mort-, you're running BTD@?
40:47 <Mekkis> 2?
40:49 <Mekkis> cool
40:57 <Mekkis> it'll give Brunius a chance to play
41:41 <mort-> I will
41:48 <mort-> But this Sunday fine?
42:06 <mort-> 12 pm auzzie time?
42:09 <Mekkis> have you asked Ballig?
42:20 <Spaceshot> bah, I only play HoN because the vent clan I'm with plays it, that's about it
42:35 <Avatar> I think it's hilarious you two hate each other but you're trying to play a game together
42:36 <tashes> hey! i think i can play this sunday!
42:37 <Hydrazine> but HoN sucks.
42:39 <tashes> if i dotn get called to work
42:57 <Spaceshot> Brunius will be in blackburn on sunday I believe
42:58 <mort-> Ballig!
42:58 <Avatar> we might actually be playing CoTE on sunday
43:02 <Spaceshot> at least that's what he's told me
43:15 <mort-> You ok with 12
43:23 <mort-> Pm auz time?
43:31 <Hydrazine> whats CoTE again?
43:50 <Avatar> I actually don't remember
44:00 <mort-> Crypt of even flame?
44:09 <Avatar> yeah crypt of the everflame
44:10 <mort-> Its a whole campaign
44:14 <Avatar> sanctioned module
44:36 <Avatar> it's in the campaigns section
44:38 <Spaceshot> and hydra, yea HoN is worse than LoL dom
44:49 <Spaceshot> but I don't have many peeps to play it with
46:00 <Avatar> dodgy logic by the sounds of it spaceshot
47:00 <Spaceshot> I'd prefer not having alone time with my thoughts
49:01 <Avatar> what?
49:18 <Avatar> you're playing HoN with less people vs playing LoL with more people
49:21 <Spaceshot> it's to justify my dodgy logic
49:32 <Spaceshot> what? no I mean I've got less people to play LoL with
49:34 <Avatar> doesn't HoN give you less of a chance to be alone with your thoughts
49:39 <Avatar> er, more of a chance
49:39 <Spaceshot> so I play HoN cause I've got more peeps to play it with
49:49 <Spaceshot> make sense now?
51:05 <mort-> Is the best thing to do to an enemy caster to grapple him?
51:08 <mort-> Hm
51:24 <mort-> Grappled casters don't cast
51:34 <Spaceshot> if you're a melee character then maybe
51:50 <mort-> Think me of melee now
51:55 <Mekkis> mort-, best thing to do to an enemy caster is the convince him to see the error in his ways
52:00 <Spaceshot> lies, mort is a caster
52:05 <mort-> You kidding?
52:15 <Avatar> it's a great idea if you have +21 to diplomacy at 2nd level
52:27 <mort-> Well i have -2 cia
52:30 <mort-> Cha
52:31 <Avatar> Spaceshot: gotcha
52:38 <Mekkis> not if your DM runs everything directly from the book
52:39 <Avatar> I don't think that's what you said the first time
52:42 <mort-> Fk diplomacy
53:05 <Spaceshot> just carry a kris and be next to them XD
53:06 <mort-> I'm not a caster now
53:16 <mort-> I've been corrupted
53:36 <mort-> I'm 1/3 melee now
54:02 <Mekkis> mort-, you have not seen the power of the dark side yet
54:13 <Mekkis> get to 5th level, and Mytiazair will demonstrate
54:15 <Avatar> I'm really not sure why I played Snake in that last game
54:21 <Avatar> why didn't someone tell me to play Snickers or the druid
54:28 <mort-> But i read forbidden tomes
54:35 <Mekkis> why do you need someone to tell you what to play?
54:36 <mort-> Free will?
54:38 <Avatar> other than the fact I probably wouldn't have listened ?
54:46 <Avatar> because I make dumb decisions sometimes
54:50 <mort-> We would pwn with any healer
54:53 <Spaceshot> look at cairo XD
55:02 <Avatar> case in point: playing the worst of my choices for that game
55:15 <mort-> I swear. 
55:17 <Avatar> yeah Cairo was a disaster
55:26 <Spaceshot> Avatar: you have to play snake and get downed
55:34 <mort-> Get zirul khaz jerus and oscar
55:36 <Avatar> what, why
55:45 <mort-> Then i want to uptier :
55:47 <mort-> Lol
55:55 <Spaceshot> because I can go 'Snake? Snake?!? SNAKE!!!!!'
55:57 <Spaceshot> from MGS
55:59 <mort-> How bad is it uptiering
56:09 <mort-> I mean from whoever who has done it
56:10 <Mekkis> depends on the players
56:17 <Mekkis> my first scenario was uptiered
56:19 <Mekkis> so was my second
56:36 <mort-> Prince was easy uptiered for me
56:46 <mort-> Sea witch was a tad messy though
56:52 <Avatar> what is MGS
56:58 <Spaceshot> avatar you make me sad
57:03 <Spaceshot> and MGS is metal gear solid
57:04 <Avatar> mort-: how bad is what
57:08 <mort-> Our flanking isn't as good as Logan +leis combo
57:12 <mort-> Uptiering
57:16 <Avatar> on what scenario
57:19 <mort-> Damn tempted to
57:20 <Avatar> prince isn't a good indicator at all
57:22 <Mekkis> BTD2
57:28 <mort-> Next time we get a good healer
57:32 <Avatar> I don't think I could recommend hardly any parties should downtier prince
57:35 <Mekkis> uptiering isn't all that bad
57:43 <mort-> Me jerus and oskar
57:45 <Avatar> you should always uptier if you munchkin
57:45 <Mekkis> I uptiered Voice in the Void
57:48 <Mekkis> with a party of two
57:51 <mort-> Then we up tier
57:55 <mort-> We don't fly
57:58 <Avatar> yeah if you munchkin you can probably uptier with half a party
58:06 <mort-> We aren't invulnerable like you :p
58:09 <Mekkis> last time I uptiered, it was rather horrible though
58:26 <mort-> But our damage output is i think pretty good
58:29 <Mekkis> we played Echoes of the Eventide or whatever it was that Brunius DMed last
58:35 <Mekkis> Overwatched?
58:36 <mort-> Its a very melee centered party though
58:44 <Avatar> yeah
58:45 <Mekkis> that was rather horrible
58:54 <Avatar> we uptiered that
58:59 <Avatar> no problems
59:30 <Mekkis> it's not uptiering if you're playing a 5th level character
59:36 <Mekkis> in a 1-5 scenario
59:44 <yeagel> dota2's pretty good too
59:45 <Avatar> yeah I guess
59:52 <yeagel> personally i prefer the original
59:55 <Avatar> should clarify the definitions here
00:00 <Avatar> forget fucking dota
00:01 <Mekkis> it's uptiering if you're playing a 2nd level character there
00:06 <mort-> Overwatched was easy
00:13 <Spaceshot> Avatar: no need to be all nazi about gaming preference
00:26 <Avatar> I hate dota with a vengeance
00:28 <mort-> Well with bobbob and his...
00:38 <Spaceshot> because games with steep learning curves are hard
00:44 <Avatar> yeah
00:52 <mort-> We are mostly mortal
00:52 <Avatar> I play games on easy or normal, never hard
00:55 <Avatar> :P
01:08 <yeagel> dota's way easy
01:11 <mort-> Not immortal like you mek :7
01:16 <Avatar> dota is made to frustrate the player
01:20 <Spaceshot> dota has a steep learning curve
01:31 * mort- ponders
01:33 <Spaceshot> and yes, dota and it's iterations have a lot of rage in them
01:37 <mort-> I tell you we would pwn
01:43 <Spaceshot> I know we rage every few mins in HoN
01:46 <mort-> If we had a healer last scenario
01:47 <Avatar> I mean, eve has a steep learning curve
01:54 <Avatar> dota is just a work in frustration
01:58 <Spaceshot> haha
02:14 <Spaceshot> eve ends up either being a PVP fest or a snorefest
02:25 <mort-> If you get someone like grolshmir
02:41 <mort-> You can uptier any darned scenario
02:43 <Spaceshot> mort-: I think you've been talking to yourself for about 5mins
02:49 <Mekkis> mort-, you've never played a session with Grolschmir
02:50 <mort-> Just stay the fk out of the way
02:56 <Avatar> lol
02:58 <mort-> Once the fighting starts
02:58 <Avatar> I said that today !
03:01 <mort-> Isn't it?
03:09 <mort-> I wasn't really talking to myself
03:27 <Avatar> Mekkis: I have, and she's right
04:01 <mort-> Probably with someone like grosh
04:16 <mort-> Killing his party members is easier
04:22 <mort-> Then trying to kill him
04:27 <Avatar> I love how in the special, the only issue you had wasn't about whether you were going to die or not, but whether you were going to take a point of damage or not
04:55 <mort-> Doesn't everyone get nicked now and then?
05:08 <Hydrazine> triforce jarvan in dom, Space.
05:12 <Hydrazine> Rocked out so hard.
05:16 <Avatar> Grolschmir only gets nicked in the hardest encounters in PFS
05:26 <mort-> Yeah. Flying.
05:32 <mort-> Permanent flying
05:42 <Avatar> and some of those he is still unscathed
05:54 <Spaceshot> invite if you're playing again
06:10 <Mekkis> Avatar, Grolschmir wasn't very effective in Blood Under Absalom
06:18 <Avatar> another lie
06:27 <Avatar> wasn't very effective in saving us
06:57 <Spaceshot> as usual, a gnome
06:58 <Mekkis> you realise that there isn't much of a difference between "taking a point of damage" and "dying" when it comes to Grolschmir
07:15 <Avatar> another lie
07:19 <Avatar> how many hp does he have
07:19 <mort-> What happens
07:40 <mort-> If i shoot 2 magic missiles at grol
07:55 <Mekkis> 34
07:57 <Mekkis> or so
08:04 <Mekkis> mort-, funny how you say that
08:11 <Mekkis> in his second scenario
08:12 <Avatar> 36hp on grolschmir, 25 on the roc
08:26 <Mekkis> the nemesis cast two magic missiles at Grolschmir
08:36 <Mekkis> he went unconscious
08:41 <Mekkis> fell off Ari
08:44 <Mekkis> hit the ground
08:49 <mort-> Oh no
08:52 <Mekkis> and was on -CON + 1 HP
08:57 <Spaceshot> I love on grol's sheet it doesn't specify what armour he's wearing
09:03 <mort-> But 2 magic missiles?
09:08 <mort-> You got to be kidding
09:10 <Mekkis> he had 9HP
09:17 <Avatar> 2d4+2 ?
09:27 <Avatar> when was this, level 1
09:40 <mort-> Ah
09:58 <Avatar> 2d4+2 isn't enough to bring any character to -con +1hp
09:59 <mort-> Mek. I nearly died last round ^^
10:05 <Mekkis> level 1
10:07 <mort-> The falling dmg
10:08 <Avatar> 10 damage
10:12 <Mekkis> Avatar, the fall
10:18 <Avatar> oh right
11:37 <mort-> Do you have any chance of getting knocked off
11:42 <mort-> Your mount
11:47 <mort-> On taking damage?
12:16 <Avatar> between the saddle and ride skill, I don't think so
13:31 <mort-> Also
13:49 <mort-> Can you attempt to pull someone down from his mount?
14:18 <Avatar> maybe with grapple or trip
14:28 <Avatar> grapple I guess
15:21 <Avatar> the PFS tactics never account for a druid riding a roc, charging by with a lance at 10ft reach distance
15:26 <mort-> I'm talking about pike style
15:45 <Avatar> like a joust?
15:49 <mort-> Don't pikemen pull calvary
15:56 <mort-> From their mounts?
16:05 <Mekkis> it's a flat 25% chance of falling
16:05 <mort-> You can sort of hook that guy out
16:12 <mort-> So ive heard
16:29 <Mekkis> Avatar, and that's when you deviate from printed tactics
17:06 <mort-> I'm talking next time we get a mounted guy in range
17:14 <Avatar> well just about every animal can't do much against one
17:24 <Avatar> so it's not just an issue of tactics, it's an issue of imbalance
17:32 <mort-> Can jerus hook him off his horse?
17:41 <Mekkis> Avatar, why do you care?
17:52 <mort-> I say rocs are too powerful for lv 1s :p
18:24 <Avatar> because I think it's decent to play fairly rather than to munchkin the rules
20:01 <mort-> I think pf should have made rocs selectable
20:14 <mort-> For characters above 5 only
20:28 <Avatar> yeah
20:34 <Avatar> everyone agrees
22:07 <Spaceshot> when doesn't mekkis munchkin?
22:22 <Avatar> I think he has some characters that don't
22:53 <mort-> Hydra also builds solid characters
22:54 <Spaceshot> does he play them?
23:03 <Spaceshot> there is a difference to solid and munchkin
23:07 <mort-> But he is still human. Mostly
23:26 <Avatar> I think he's playing one of them in QFP 
23:33 <mort-> Lol
23:35 <mort-> Which one
23:40 <Avatar> not sure
23:45 <mort-> Ill bring mort
23:46 <Avatar> the one he spent all his GM credit to level up to level 4 instantly
24:07 <Avatar> I think I was hard pressed to find some sort of dodginess going on
24:08 <mort-> Are you guys game for this Sunday
24:24 <Avatar> if I look at the character and find there's nothing wrong, I'm sort of on edge waiting for it
24:28 <mort-> 12 pm btd2?
24:44 <Avatar> I don't think we know what we're doing sunday yet until canine gets in
24:49 <Avatar> otherwise check with ballig
24:59 <mort-> Caine
25:01 <Avatar> he's running scenarios in that timeslot to cover CoTE
25:03 <mort-> Has said coming 
25:10 <mort-> For the last so many weeks
25:15 <mort-> But never showed up
25:25 <Avatar> yeah but we're on the verge of going without him 
25:25 <mort-> So what's wrong with getting a little entertainment
25:33 <mort-> Without him
25:44 <Avatar> well it's ballig's slot
25:53 <mort-> Now i can make it on week ends
25:59 <mort-> I almost wish i played
26:26 <mort-> I think there is a lot you can learn
26:30 <mort-> With a fixed team
27:09 * mort- can just picture me,hydra,trist, all in the same campaign
27:28 <Spaceshot> I wouldn't mind playing in a fixed campaign
27:37 <Spaceshot> but I mean a proper one, not PFS XD
27:42 <mort-> Gah
27:45 <mort-> You suck
27:49 <Mekkis> I'm playing in one :)
28:00 <Mekkis> and looks like my offline group's starting another one
28:09 <Spaceshot> call me old school
28:25 <Mekkis> you're not old school
28:39 <Spaceshot> XD
28:45 <Spaceshot> I mean to mort's comment
29:00 <Avatar> why wouldn't you want to play in a sanctioned module
29:07 <Avatar> it is a 'proper one', but it's also PFS
29:20 <Spaceshot> firstly, it's a premade
29:24 <Spaceshot> I don't really like premades
29:41 <Avatar> you want freeform
29:43 <Avatar> sandbox
29:45 <Spaceshot> not exactly
29:52 <Spaceshot> I just want the DM to create his own shit
29:53 <mort-> I have no idea how to do a non premade
29:58 <Spaceshot> railroad or playpit
30:06 <Avatar> why
30:29 <Spaceshot> because it means that the DM is more able to rectify errors, or deal with shit not going to plan
30:50 <Avatar> seems picky
30:58 <Spaceshot> classic?
31:01 <Spaceshot> nein
31:10 <Mekkis> that can happen in any scenario
31:21 <Mekkis> be it PFS, a premade campaign, or a home grown one
31:35 <Mekkis> you just need a good DM
31:49 <Avatar> yeah any good DM can rectify errors
31:50 <Spaceshot> you still have guidelines you must stick to
31:59 <Avatar> not really
32:03 <Avatar> I mean not even in PFS
32:14 <Avatar> if things don't go according to plan, you can go way off book
32:36 <Mekkis> if the DM's familiarised himself with the setting
32:44 <Mekkis> it's not that hard
32:59 <Mekkis> then again, it's a lot better if the players also familiarise themselves with the setting
33:33 <Mekkis> no DM has the time or patience to spoonfeed the players
34:12 <Spaceshot> meh, I really can't be stuffed going into semantics about DMing, premades and anything else that might come out if this
34:19 <Spaceshot> if it'll shut you up you win, your right
34:23 <Spaceshot> next topic
34:28 <Mekkis> goodnight
34:30 <Spaceshot> you're*
34:32 <Avatar> good, then you'll play
34:38 <Spaceshot> never said that
34:45 <Avatar> you just said we're right
34:47 <Avatar> so you will play
34:52 <Avatar> locked in
35:30 <Spaceshot> saying you're right to shut you up and agreeing with you is 2 different things
35:38 <Spaceshot> and neither of them had the clause of me playing
40:28 <Avatar> you can't just say you're right to shut us up but not mean you're right
40:38 <Avatar> that just says you're wrong and we should continue discussions
40:48 <mort-> Can you read a scroll while grappled?
40:51 <Avatar> that's a lose-lose situation for you buddy
40:54 <Spaceshot> I can be even more of a dick if you're asking
41:01 <Avatar> we know :P
41:10 <Spaceshot> I don't want to be, but you're pushing it
41:24 <Spaceshot> mort-: when you're grappled you can't use your arms
41:50 <Avatar> apparently you can
41:51 <mort-> Hm
41:52 <Spaceshot> I'm not sure if scrolls require somatic components or not, if they do then you can't cast a scroll grappled, if they don't then yes you can
42:00 <Avatar> not only can you attack, but you can also *tie someone up*
42:13 <Spaceshot> really?
42:16 <Avatar> yeah
42:18 <Spaceshot> hmmm, news to me
42:24 <Avatar> I think you can cast if you have still spell
42:33 <mort-> I thought you can
42:39 <mort-> But concentration check
44:39 <Avatar> I can't find the rule
45:54 <mort-> Not
46:08 <Avatar> yeah you can't do it
46:12 <Avatar> you have to reverse the grapple first
46:16 <mort-> To cast a spell with a somatic (S) component, you must gesture freely with at least one hand. You can't cast a spell of this type while bound, grappling, or with both your hands full or occupied.
46:17 <mort-> Hard
46:37 <mort-> When a bloody fking monk is on you
47:03 <Avatar> this is a bit weird, I didn't think there was a case of being a "grappler" and a "grapplee"
47:16 <Avatar> someone said you just both gained the grappled condition
47:22 <Avatar> which was weird, but seemed to make sense
47:34 <Avatar> the "if you're grappled" section seems to suggest otherwise
47:39 <Avatar> you can't do anything until you reverse the grapple or escape
47:54 <Avatar> which makes a lot more sense
48:25 <mort-> If you can cast its unlikely you can grapple well anyway
48:25 <Avatar> I'm pretty sure I had more than one person telling me I had it wrong
48:45 <mort-> Actually. Khaz isn't totally epic fail at grapple
48:48 <Avatar> well even if you reverse grapple or escape, they're still threatening
48:56 <Avatar> so they get AoOs
49:00 <mort-> Screw threateningly
49:08 <mort-> I can cast defensively
49:15 <Avatar> yeah
49:17 <mort-> Better then most would imagine
49:20 <Avatar> if you are an expert defensive caster, do that
49:26 <Avatar> do you have combat casting
49:26 <mort-> I just haven't showed my hand
49:36 <mort-> +11 on level 1 spells lol
49:49 <mort-> Yes. First thing a magus learns
49:51 <Avatar> the DC is like 17 isn't it
50:00 <mort-> Ya
50:01 <mort-> ^^
50:08 <Avatar> yeah you are laughing all the way to the bank
50:19 <Avatar> well, most of the way
50:32 <mort-> Say if i had a full round action
50:48 <mort-> I can actually boost my to cast to +14
50:54 <mort-> Lol
55:19 <mort-> Can you pull out stuff out of your pack with one hand?
55:25 <mort-> Ok belt pouch
55:42 <mort-> Lol going to break an oil lantern if i get grappled i think
56:11 <Avatar> don't think so
56:17 <Avatar> I mean you can tie someone up
56:28 <Avatar> it doesn't suggest that you can take it out of your bag as well
56:45 <Avatar> the rope, that is
57:22 <mort-> I'm talking about on getting grappled :p
57:39 <mort-> I won't be able to grease
03:09 mort- is now known as khazaran
03:16 <khazaran> @sc2
03:16 <diebot> khazaran, slash: [1d20=6] 13; damage: [1d6=3] 8; concentration: [1d20=18] 31; slash: [1d20=18] 25; damage: [1d6=5] 10; acid splash damage: [1d3=2] 3
03:54 <khazaran> !throw 1d20+7
03:54 <diebot> khazaran, 1d20+7: [1d20=3] 10
04:05 <khazaran> 13
04:14 khazaran is now known as mort
04:29 mort is now known as mort-
06:30 <mort-> I factored it in when i was trying to qualify for my 2 nd attack at level 3
07:06 * mort- grins at ballig
27:19 <Spaceshot> mort, you do realise that you can only do touch attacks as part of your magus special attack
27:25 <Spaceshot> not ranged touch attacks
29:30 <mort-> That's why level 3
29:51 <mort-> Close range magus arcana
30:12 <mort-> I can choose to have my ranged touch converted to melee touch
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