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35:57 <Avatar> standard:    17 =  10    +1      +2   +4      +0     +0
35:57 <Avatar> vs Touch:    12 =  10    --      +2   --      +0     +0
36:02 <Avatar> oops
40:43 <Mort> time to go to bed
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31:55 Topic for #d&d is: PFS: Sat 11am (Avatar/Brunius, new game) | CoTE: TBA || All times are AEDT (UTC+11:00) | D&D and Pathfinder Online http://dnd.ballig.net
31:55 Topic for #d&d set by Avatar at Sun Feb 12 10:35:03 2012
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19:01 <tristen> hey with leis i was getting confused with his dual-attacks
19:34 <tristen> i can still dual-attack whilst flanking but i only get to apply one sneak attack damage roll?
20:07 <tristen> or can i only get in one attack whilst flanking?
39:04 tristen is now known as Leis
40:19 <Leis> !save attack1: 1d20+7 attack; 1d6+2 damage
40:19 <diebot> Leis, 1d20+7 attack; 1d6+2 damage saved as @attack1
40:24 <Leis> !throw attack1
40:32 <Leis> @attack1
40:32 <diebot> Leis, attack: [1d20=11] 18; damage: [1d6=1] 3
40:35 <Leis> @attack1
40:35 <diebot> Leis, attack: [1d20=5] 12; damage: [1d6=3] 5
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40:45 <Leis> @attack1
40:46 <diebot> Leis, attack: [1d20=7] 14; damage: [1d6=3] 5
40:48 <Leis> @attack1
40:48 <diebot> Leis, attack: [1d20=16] 23; damage: [1d6=4] 6
41:28 <Leis> !save attack2: 1d20+5 attack; 1d20+5 attack; 1d6+2 damage; 1d6+1 damage
41:28 <diebot> Leis, 1d20+5 attack; 1d20+5 attack; 1d6+2 damage; 1d6+1 damage saved as @attack2
41:32 <Leis> @attack2
41:33 <diebot> Leis, attack: [1d20=14] 19; attack: [1d20=17] 22; damage: [1d6=3] 5; damage: [1d6=1] 2
41:36 <Leis> @attack2
41:36 <diebot> Leis, attack: [1d20=16] 21; attack: [1d20=19] 24; damage: [1d6=2] 4; damage: [1d6=3] 4
41:39 <Leis> @attack2
41:39 <diebot> Leis, attack: [1d20=19] 24; attack: [1d20=4] 9; damage: [1d6=5] 7; damage: [1d6=2] 3
43:02 <Leis> !save sneak1: 1d20+9 attack; 1d6+2 damage; 2d6 sneak
43:02 <diebot> Leis, 1d20+9 attack; 1d6+2 damage; 2d6 sneak saved as @sneak1
43:04 <Leis> @sneak1
43:05 <diebot> Leis, attack: [1d20=15] 24; damage: [1d6=1] 3; sneak: [2d6=3,4] 7
43:31 <Leis> !save sneak2: 1d20+7 attack; 1d20+7 attack; 1d6+2 damage; 1d6+2 damage; 2d6 sneak
43:31 <diebot> Leis, 1d20+7 attack; 1d20+7 attack; 1d6+2 damage; 1d6+2 damage; 2d6 sneak saved as @sneak2
43:41 <Leis> @sneak2
43:41 <diebot> Leis, attack: [1d20=19] 26; attack: [1d20=19] 26; damage: [1d6=6] 8; damage: [1d6=2] 4; sneak: [2d6=3,5] 8
04:22 <Hydrazine_> Tris, what was the question?
25:01 <Leis> oh
25:08 Leis is now known as tristen
25:26 <tristen> leis is a rogue
25:40 <tristen> and when he flanks he gets a sneak attack
25:49 <tristen> he also dual wields
26:23 <tristen> i was getting confused in the last game because i think i was being told i couldn't get two attacks when sneak-attacking
26:44 <tristen> but i think i can still do that 
26:53 <tristen> however just apply 1 lot of sneak damage
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09:01 <MekkisSc1een> tristen: you can get two attacks when sneak attacking
09:09 <MekkisSc1een> and you apply the damage both times
09:34 <MekkisSc1een> you just can't move and get two attacks
21:59 <tristen> woah! you mean i get 2d6 applied to EACH?
22:28 <tristen> (when i can get in two attacks of course)
31:57 <Hydrazine_> Yep.
36:35 <Mekkis> yep
36:38 <Mekkis> but you can't move
36:51 <Mekkis> because if you take a move action, you can only make a single attack
37:12 <Mekkis> (unless you're playing a synthesist summoner with the pounce evolution !)
40:58 <tristen> k cool!
42:27 <tristen> fuck that's a serious bit of damage...
56:35 <Avatar> mithril breastplate is the way to go
56:42 <Mekkis> elven chain
56:47 <Avatar> or elven chain
57:06 <tristen> persontally i like the agile breastplate 
57:20 <Mekkis> for who?
57:28 <tristen> tasiv has one
57:38 <tristen> mithril agile breastplate
57:46 <tristen> wicked
57:58 <Mekkis> do rangers get medium armour proficiency?
58:05 <Avatar> what's agile breastplate
58:05 <tristen> yep
58:21 <Avatar> rangers also get evasion I believe
58:24 <tristen> it basically doesn't impede acrobatics and stuff
58:35 <tristen> and ac check or something
58:44 <Avatar> what book is it in
58:57 <tristen> one sec...
58:58 <Mekkis> APG
59:24 <tristen> http://www.d20pfsrd.com/equipment---final/armor
59:31 <tristen> under medium armours
59:36 <tristen> yeah apg
59:39 <Avatar> still impedes tumble 
59:46 <Avatar> just doesn't impede jump and climb
59:58 <Mekkis> tumble doesn't work very well in Pathfinder anyway
00:17 <tristen> i think the mithril makes it light?
00:17 <Avatar> it still works
00:25 <Avatar> you're comparing it to 3.5
00:31 <Mekkis> no
00:38 <Avatar> yeah mithril makes it light
00:56 <Mekkis> I'm taking into account the number of failed tumble attempts I've witnessed compared with the number of successful ones
01:46 <tristen> hey avatar can you create me a new character "Yagh"?
01:58 <tristen> so i can upload?
02:03 <Mekkis> what a stupid name!
02:52 <tristen> "ya"?
02:59 <Avatar> yeah
03:31 <tristen> don't hassle me guys
03:37 <Avatar> added
03:41 <tristen> cheers!
03:46 <Avatar> I was yeahing to yeah I'll add it
03:48 <Avatar> it's not a stupid name
03:54 <tristen> XD
04:02 <tristen> i'm not that delicate a flower...
04:16 <tristen> http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/fighter/archetypes/paizo---fighter-archetypes/two-handed-fighter
04:31 <tristen> i think i'll do that with him seeing he has that earth breaker :)
05:21 <tristen> At 3rd level, when a two-handed fighter makes a single attack (with the attack action or a charge) with a two-handed weapon, he adds double his Strength bonus on damage rolls. 
05:24 <tristen> owch
05:40 <tristen> if he makes it that far!
05:53 * tristen thinks of that bloody "tpk alley" in fs
14:16 <Mekkis> depends who runs it
16:24 <tristen> depends who playe it
16:51 <tristen> we had a weak team last time...
17:12 <Mekkis> mmm
17:31 <tristen> actually and poor tactics too
18:08 <Mekkis> I'm assuming that you started the encounter bunched up in the alley?
18:25 <tristen> yeah and stepped up to the edge of the mist XD
18:37 <tristen> we got wasted
18:52 <tristen> well ko'd
23:05 <Mekkis> why is "dave" the typical name for an RPGer?
23:42 <Avatar> I don't know any daves
23:51 <tristen> "dave" is the typical name for anyone who does anything?
24:09 <Mekkis> the guy who taught me 3.5 was called "Dave"
24:19 <tristen> AN ARMY OF DAVES
24:32 <tristen> hey avatar are you bored atm?
24:52 <tristen> do you want to see my first shot at an initiative board?
24:59 <Mekkis> he killed more of my characters that Avatar has
25:19 <Avatar> sure
25:26 <tristen> k you'll need to log in
25:36 <tristen> it might be buggy
25:50 <tristen> and just go to one of your maps
25:59 <tristen> and add some random players and npcs
26:24 <tristen> and you can see now you have the ability to add and remove players/npcs to/from initiative
26:27 <Mekkis> You have mail in /var/mail/vpsirc
26:27 <Mekkis> vpsirc@nl:~> mail
26:27 <Mekkis> No mail for vpsirc
26:44 <tristen> heheh messing with your mind
27:05 <tristen> so...
27:21 <tristen> basically you just click "next" to indicate a player is next
27:33 <tristen> and you can toggle "delay" and "ready" as you see fit
27:50 <tristen> oh and when you click "next" then the character gets automatically selected for movement!
28:04 <tristen> which is a nice little feature...i think...
28:28 <tristen> or you can bump characters up/down the board
29:32 <Thelen> awesome!
29:40 <Thelen> you did my turn idea already? :D
29:51 <tristen> i don't really have an "end round" - i think it would complicate things...
29:58 <tristen> hello moto!
30:15 <tristen> yeah i was up late coding last night
30:24 <Thelen> hehehe
31:17 <tristen> i'll next work on presenting the initiative table on the "public" map for players to see
31:23 <Thelen> tristen 2 handed actually adds 1.5x not double
31:44 <Thelen> not sure why that one says double :/
31:47 <tristen> http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/fighter/archetypes/paizo---fighter-archetypes/two-handed-fighter
31:52 <tristen> it's an archtype
32:01 <Thelen> hm
32:03 <tristen> for my new fighter
32:11 <Thelen> wonder does it affect power attack too
32:42 <tristen> yeah i dunno
33:00 <Avatar> how does this work
33:11 <tristen> the initiative table?
34:16 <Avatar> not sure that you need ready or delay there
34:35 <Avatar> ready or delay just means you move the person up or down
34:37 <tristen> it's not doing anything but reminding you a character has opted to delay or ready an action
34:55 <Avatar> okay
35:03 <Avatar> pretty straightforward
35:21 <tristen> yeah i'll present that on the public page for the map 
35:41 <tristen> so the players can see you've acknowledged their 
35:53 <tristen> er, request to delay or ready an action
36:19 <tristen> or if you shuffle the board the players can see that too
36:42 <tristen> when we gamed with darkwhite on the weekend he kept asking to see the initiative order
37:00 <tristen> this will just present it without hindering the dm i hope...
37:17 <tristen> that was my goal i suppose
38:04 <tristen> i think i've done it
38:11 <tristen> any suggestions avatar?
38:15 <Avatar> did anyone tell him about CA's sidebar
38:23 <MekkisSc1een> it's not shared is it?
38:25 <Avatar> nah it's fine
38:29 <tristen> yep he asked about it
38:30 MekkisSc1een is now known as MekkisScreen
38:32 <Avatar> no it's not shared
38:49 <tristen> nothing is shared in this
38:57 <tristen> completely controlled by the gm
15:01 <Thelen> hmm
15:06 <Thelen> walking dead, do i dare ?
24:14 <tristen> i saw it on the side of a freaking tram!!!
24:18 <tristen> there's a torrent?
24:38 <MekkisScreen> tristen: have you created a character on the profiler?
25:15 <tristen> no i've been coding initiative tables :D
25:28 <tristen> http://www.journeyo.com/public/combat/yvghudpelkagoysjiqjapvxpvyoyvi
25:31 <tristen> check that out!
25:58 <tristen> moving?
28:21 <Hydrazine_> "no such combat map"
29:40 <tristen> heya hydrazine just the person
29:49 <tristen> you couldn't follow that link there?
30:01 <tristen> oh neither could i!
30:03 <tristen> one sec...
30:12 <tristen> oh now i can
30:15 <tristen> maybe refresh?
30:35 <Hydrazine_> did. no change.
30:44 <tristen> hmmm...
30:52 <tristen> one more sec...
31:34 <tristen> ok refresh now?
32:00 <tristen> you should see an initiative table?
32:10 <Hydrazine_> okay.
32:11 <Hydrazine_> see it.
32:15 <Hydrazine_> tasv's turn.
32:21 <Hydrazine_> hmmm.
32:40 <tristen> yeah it's not quite the rolodex
32:40 <Hydrazine_> so.. the visible order down the list isn't related?
32:51 <tristen> well...
33:00 <tristen> the dm adds characters to the list
33:04 <tristen> and arranges them in order
33:11 <tristen> you can see it if you log in
33:22 <tristen> and then just clicks "next" to indicate who's turn it is
33:31 <Hydrazine_> hmmm.
33:39 <Hydrazine_> hit next then?
33:40 <tristen> it's not blindingly technical - first shot and all that
33:49 <tristen> so now it's tasv
33:51 <Hydrazine_> again?
33:55 <tristen> and not another
33:59 <tristen> now*
34:01 <Hydrazine_> okay. so it does go top to bottom.
34:06 <tristen> and now back to buck
34:19 <tristen> etc
34:32 <tristen> so if the player informs the gm that they're readying an action
34:37 <tristen> say buck does
34:49 <tristen> i click readied
34:53 <tristen> and it informs the players
35:02 <tristen> now it's test's turn
35:07 <tristen> and he decides to play as normal
35:10 <tristen> and does so
35:18 <tristen> now it's second's turn
35:24 <tristen> and he delays
35:34 <tristen> now tasv...
35:36 <tristen> etc.
35:47 <Hydrazine_> Not bad.
35:50 <Hydrazine_> Useful too, I'd say.
36:07 <tristen> cheers yeah and if i messed up the init order
36:21 <tristen> say i'll swap "tasv" and "another"
36:28 <tristen> bingo
36:36 <Hydrazine_> useful.
36:44 <tristen> or if i remove tasv from initiative then init swaps to the next player
36:50 <Hydrazine_> especially since if someone delays, they reenter initiative when they take their turn.
36:55 <tristen> in this case it will be Buck cos he's next
37:01 <tristen> right
37:27 <Hydrazine_> it still says tasv is in initiative.
37:30 <Hydrazine_> in the players list.
37:44 <tristen> and, i was saying earlier, from the gms interface the character who's "next" gets selected for movement...
37:50 <tristen> ah i'll have to refresh that too...
37:53 <tristen> one sec i'll fix that
38:41 <tristen> there we go
38:50 <tristen> you may need to refresh though...
38:55 <tristen> yeah you will actually
39:35 <tristen> anyhow hydrazine when you've got a moment could you log in and take a look at how it's handled in the dm's interface?
40:02 <Hydrazine_> will do.
40:50 <tristen> goodo cheers!
41:12 <tristen> i especially want to know what sucks
42:27 <tristen> i'm going to start thinking about heights
42:42 <tristen> question: are heights always expressed in 5ft increments?
43:40 <Avatar> pretty much
43:58 <Avatar> there's nothing stopping something being 12ft high, but that complicates things
45:09 <Hydrazine_> well, if you're talking about jumping, 1ft increments are whats considered for jump check rolls, isn't it?
45:43 <Hydrazine_> dc for a high jump is like 3 or 4x the height in feet, if my memory's kicking ass today.
46:40 <tristen> yeah ok i suppose i mean from a terrain point of view or flying
47:11 <tristen> like would you guys as dm's be bothered describing a ledge as anything other than 5, 10, etc. feet tall?
47:13 <Hydrazine_> four times the height. yes.
47:41 <Hydrazine_> i guess that depends on the scenarios and maps and stuff. Don't know about that.
48:10 <tristen> k
48:16 <tristen> hmmm
48:49 <Hydrazine_> but the difference between a 3 and 4 hoot high jump is DC 12 to DC 16.
49:24 <Hydrazine_> So, if you were considering rounding either of those up to 5ft, anybody attempting such a jump is having to make much harder rolls.
50:20 <tristen> right
50:36 <Hydrazine_> do they players see 'hidden' npcs?
50:42 <tristen> nope! XD
50:45 <Hydrazine_> mkay.
51:08 <tristen> they'll still see the npc in initiative though
52:56 <tristen> i wonder though
53:15 <tristen> the players shouldn't see an invisible npc that's off initiative in the NPC table
53:28 <tristen> they might get skittish!
53:34 <tristen> and metagame!
53:40 <tristen> there will be RIOTS!
53:57 <Hydrazine_> could you switch the default for 'put in/take off initiative' to in?
54:19 <Hydrazine_> i mean if theres a fight going on and i'm throwing markers around, chances are they should be involved.
54:49 <Hydrazine_> or a clear init function? i do like that the put in initiative command works in order.
55:13 <tristen> k i'll put a clear link in there...
55:20 <tristen> as for the default for npcs?
55:28 <Hydrazine_> yeah.
55:32 <tristen> not sure if that's a good idea...?
55:38 <Hydrazine_> hmmm.
55:40 <Hydrazine_> good point.
55:41 <Hydrazine_> fair enough.
55:56 <tristen> i mean if you want to add an npc and not alert the players until it's visible...
56:10 <Hydrazine_> yeah, i see.
56:13 <tristen> but yeah 
56:34 <Hydrazine_> is the default for npcs also hidden?
56:51 <tristen> yeah unless you check the "is visible?" flag at the time you "add" the npc
56:53 <Hydrazine_> oh. right.
57:05 <tristen> it will remember the last value though i think
57:28 <tristen> but by default an npc will be invisible until you choose to reveal it
58:40 <Hydrazine_> Looks like the init table works pretty nicely.
59:13 <Mekkis> m
00:18 <tristen> goodo! i hoped it would be simple enough to use
00:32 <tristen> and not too complicated to make people not bother...
00:34 <tristen> i suppose
00:37 <Hydrazine_> whats next on the list?
00:43 <tristen> height methinks
01:07 <Hydrazine_> hmm.
01:12 <tristen> i might allow "ranges" of the map to be set to a specific height
01:18 <tristen> and if a player moves onto the square
01:28 <tristen> then the player will "get" the height of the square
01:32 <Hydrazine_> have you considered other timers? for general gm utility?
01:35 <tristen> if that makes sense
01:44 <tristen> yeah thelen was keen on a timer
01:53 <Hydrazine_> i was thinking something like..
02:06 <MekkisScreen> how much money should a character have at 6th level
02:07 <Hydrazine_> a box you can type in for wtf you're timing. another for a number.
02:25 <Hydrazine_> and the number auto ticks down every time the init table hits top.
03:01 <tristen> each time it hits top or each time it's a new turn for a character?
03:07 <tristen> like if you hit "next"
03:11 <tristen> then the timer resets
03:20 <tristen> and the players can see the timer counting down
03:37 <Hydrazine_> well, most things you would want to be timing would be measured in rounds, right?
03:50 <Hydrazine_> not turns.
03:55 <tristen> perhaps but the biggest issue we have is players taking too long
04:00 <tristen> whenever it's their turn
04:08 <tristen> it's like a committee meeting...
04:21 <tristen> well i think it's the biggest issue...
04:35 <Hydrazine_> ...which is all the more reason things like 'how long that guy is stunned for' get forgotten about.
04:49 <tristen> ah!
05:06 <tristen> yeah that's another issue i reckon...
05:08 <Hydrazine_> or how long until this fucking color spray wears off.
05:13 <tristen> RIGHT
05:15 <tristen> sorry
05:18 <Hydrazine_> thats the kind of shit i was talking about.
05:23 <Hydrazine_> not something that measures actual time.
05:26 <tristen> i thought you were talking about "time" XD
05:30 <tristen> heheh
07:22 <tristen> so a round indicator would be good...
07:26 <tristen> is what i'm hearing
07:48 <tristen> i think the dm can just scribble shit down on paper for when stuff has to change
07:57 <tristen> and keep an eye on the round counter
08:46 <tristen> currently the dm can "disable/enable" characters at will
09:20 <tristen> so the context of the disable can be verbal
09:33 <tristen> could be sprayed
09:38 <tristen> could be unconcious
09:45 <tristen> could be whatevered
10:45 <tristen> could be handcuffed to a four-poster by one of those cheliax babes (growwwl!)
12:49 <Hydrazine_> obby.
12:53 <Hydrazine_> I remember her. Skank.
17:18 <tristen> heheh
17:48 <MekkisScreen> one thing I want for CA is the ability to put text tags in there
17:59 <MekkisScreen> I might end up writing it in when I get the chance
18:22 <tristen> at a pixel?
22:32 <Avatar> what are text tags
23:02 <tristen> bingo Hydrazine: there's "clear initiative" 
23:08 <tristen> one click all gone!
23:59 <tristen> i think mekkis may want to identify stuff on maps
24:09 <tristen> like we were at bloodcove on the weekend...
24:23 <tristen> and there were places he marked on the map
24:36 <tristen> but couldn't 'write' what was there...
24:38 <tristen> perhaps?
26:28 <Hydrazine_> Sweet.
26:51 <tristen> cheers!
27:38 <tristen> i think yagh's history is he was a circus strong man back in the day!
27:53 <tristen> strong and dexterous
28:56 <Thelen> :D
40:22 <Avatar> got a bloody surprise phone interview 5 minutes after I applied
40:46 <Thelen> lol
41:54 <Brunius> gg
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33:56 <Ballig> bam, ADSL is up
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59:33 <Mekkis> <?stunned
59:35 <diebot> You're screwed.
59:53 <mekkis_> <?stunned
59:55 <diebot> A stunned creature drops everything held, can't take actions, takes a 2 penalty to AC, and loses its Dexterity bonus to AC (if any). // Attackers receive a +4 bonus on attack rolls to perform combat maneuvers against a stunned opponent.
17:07 <tristen> ballig: NICE
21:42 <mekkis_> <?grappled
21:44 <diebot> A grappled creature is restrained by a creature, trap, or effect. Grappled creatures cannot move and take a 4 penalty to Dexterity. A grappled creature takes a 2 penalty on all attack rolls and combat maneuver checks, except those made to grapple or escape a grapple. In addition, grappled creatures can take no action
21:45 <diebot> that requires two hands to perform. A grappled character who attempts to cast a spell or use a spell-like ability must make a concentration check (DC 10 + grappler's CMB + spell level), or lose the spell. Grappled creatures cannot make attacks of opportunity. // A grappled creature cannot use Stealth to hide from the
21:45 <diebot> creature grappling it, even if a special ability, such as hide in plain sight, would normally allow it to do so. If a grappled creature becomes invisible, through a spell or other ability, it gains a +2 circumstance bonus on its CMD to avoid being grappled, but receives no other benefit.
43:17 <tristen> heya hydrazine are you about?
50:47 Jaggedsoul is now known as Haydrazine
51:01 <Haydrazine> is it obvious I'm a doppelganger? :)
51:14 <Haydrazine> nick Jaggedsoul
51:22 Haydrazine is now known as Jaggedsoul
51:39 <Brunius> Not obvious at all
54:19 <Jaggedsoul> hyuk hyuk
55:24 <tristen> GONG!
57:07 <Jaggedsoul> anyone played an oracle before?
01:27 <Avatar> if I wasn't playing a druid, I'd be playing an oracle
01:32 <Avatar> spaceshot has
01:43 <Ballig> well, "played"
02:17 <Jaggedsoul> meaning current status: dead?
02:25 <Ballig> meaning he'
02:28 <Ballig> he's played one scenario
04:58 <Brunius> But don't worry; he's played PFS
05:06 <Ballig> twice, now, I think
05:08 <Brunius> It was an oracle of life
05:18 <Brunius> Yeah twice
05:31 <Brunius> I'll try and rig the stuff I'm buying from him for a sunday at good games blackburn
06:25 <Ballig> rig to explode?
07:13 <Brunius> Rig it so that he has to play PFS there
08:03 <Ballig> oh
08:44 <Avatar> I don't see any good places to get food near this place
08:54 <Avatar> might have to reject this job
09:07 <Brunius> What
09:17 <Brunius> You'd reject a job over lack of being able to buy food?
09:28 <Ballig> and you wonder why he's been unemployed for 3 months
09:59 <Brunius> I did until now
10:25 <Jaggedsoul> does magical lineage work on an oracle?
10:33 <Ballig> what is it
10:36 <Avatar> good food is important
10:40 <Ballig> Avatar: bring your own lunch
10:42 <Ballig> sorted
10:45 <Brunius> BAM
10:50 <Avatar> I don't cook
10:53 <Ballig> you don't have to
10:57 <Ballig> I don't cook for lunch either
11:06 <Avatar> what do you eat
12:09 <Brunius> fish fingers
12:11 <Brunius> and custard
12:19 <tristen> with anchovy sauce
12:34 <Avatar> gross!
12:52 <tristen> that's a winning combination!
13:14 <Avatar> brunius: what's news for saturday
13:56 <Brunius> What do you mean?
14:02 <Avatar> are you running echoes
14:09 <Brunius> Should be
14:31 <Avatar> when will you know
15:23 <Brunius> I will be, if there are sufficient people
15:31 <Brunius> Sorry, didn't mean to be unclear
15:36 <Avatar> there'll be sufficient people
15:48 <Avatar> I'll kill the QFP invite
16:10 <Avatar> it already had ballig, mort and jaggedsoul accept
16:13 <Avatar> and I'll be in
16:36 <tristen> i'll be in too - one sec...
17:21 <tristen> pffft there are no scheduled games
19:12 <Avatar> I only just changed it
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34:03 <tristen> hey are these colours too lairy?
34:04 <tristen> http://www.journeyo.com/public/combat/yvghudpelkagoysjiqjapvxpvyoyvi
34:20 <Ballig> Avatar: btw, the clock on the schedule page is 24 hours
35:04 <Brunius> too lairy?
37:10 <tristen> too loud?
37:16 <tristen> too distracting?
37:18 <tristen> too annoying even?
37:43 <tristen> i put them in to help people see which counter is what on the map
59:09 <tristen> hey is it just me or is sunder scary?
59:17 <Ballig> your face is scary
59:18 <Ballig> ha ha ha!!
59:31 <tristen> my face my beautiful face!
00:27 <Brunius> It is rather.
00:36 <tristen> 2d6+9 against something with hardness of 10?
00:39 <Brunius> Sunder is rather scary
00:40 <tristen> it's GONE!
00:50 <Brunius> That's why you don't see DMs using it
00:58 <tristen> awww is it not legal?
00:58 <Ballig> yeah
01:02 <Ballig> it's fine when used against NPCs
01:07 <Ballig> it's a legitimate tactic
01:15 <Ballig> but using it against players is a bit off
01:32 <tristen> particularly with improved sunder (no aoo provoked)
01:34 <Avatar> I saw a thread about that
02:08 <tristen> yeah it's rough - especially with weapons costing what they do
02:14 <Ballig> a bit like how coup de grace is a bit shit to use against players
02:36 <tristen> but if yagh went a-sundering against npcs - that's ok?
02:44 <Ballig> yeah
02:50 <Avatar> http://paizo.com/forums/dmtz2uko?Is-Sundering-Evil-You-be-the-judge#0
02:50 <tristen> like it's not going to provoke an aoo from the dm? XD
02:56 <mekkis_> lucurne hammer!
03:31 <tristen> oh thats gold: "I am strong fighter. I want sunder. Sunder good."
03:56 <tristen> i would have thought enchantments would have made it BLOODY difficult to sunder
04:16 <tristen> but it's only +2 per enchantment?
04:57 <tristen> bloody hell! "Furthermore, if you take a full-round action to line up a shot, you get an automatic hit with a melee weapon and a +5 bonus on attack rolls with a ranged weapon."
05:10 <tristen> oh sorry that's inanimate
05:19 <Ballig> yeah
05:21 <Ballig> unattended
06:08 <tristen> like sundering the mona lisa for instance XD
06:15 <Ballig> one of the posters makes a good point
06:22 <Ballig> you can get Make Whole cast to repair an item
07:18 <tristen> or even: that second post by lazarX
07:31 <tristen> all the loot is available at the end
07:36 <tristen> so knock yourself out!
07:50 <Ballig> yeah
11:10 <tristen> hey i've dump int on my fighter
11:23 <Ballig> you int dumper
11:24 <tristen> sort of as a nod to myself
11:27 <Ballig> is it a 7 or an 8
11:30 <tristen> lol 7
11:36 <Ballig> with 20 strength?
11:39 <tristen> no 18
11:42 <tristen> i got 16 dex
11:47 <tristen> and 14 con
11:59 <Ballig> do 7 wis and 7 cha too
12:10 <Ballig> you know you want to
12:11 <Ballig> do it
12:24 <tristen> i know i do, but it's ripping off what jagged did with gogg
12:29 <Ballig> so
12:36 <Ballig> it's only the stats
12:46 <tristen> well...
12:56 <tristen> i could be convinced but first a question:
13:15 <tristen> does that -ve on my int mean i don't get skills per level?
13:21 <tristen> like the int modifier
13:28 <tristen> can it make my skills go backwards?
13:29 <Brunius> Nope
13:35 <Ballig> you always get 1 skill point
13:35 <Brunius> It's minimum 2 I thin
13:37 <Ballig> but yes, it does reduce them
13:40 <Brunius> Min 1, there you go
13:55 <tristen> yep, but they won't go -ve
13:58 <tristen> right
14:03 <tristen> wait
14:09 <tristen> so if i do dump int
14:17 <tristen> i'll only get 1 skill per level?
14:24 <Brunius> If you're a human, 2
14:29 <Brunius> I think
14:32 <Brunius> I've gotta go
14:39 <Brunius> Cya guys
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15:05 <tristen> if i had 10 int
15:20 <tristen> i'd get 2 per level + 1 for being hooman
15:25 <Ballig> right
15:33 <tristen> but brun said min 1?
16:07 <Ballig> it's minimum 1 from class skills
16:29 <Ballig> so assuming you aren't human, if you have a -2 intelligence you can't gain 0 skill points per level
16:33 <Ballig> you have to gain at least 1
16:52 <Ballig> as a human I believe the bonus skill point is added after you subtract from intelligence, so minimum 2 as a human fighter no matter your intelligence
16:57 <tristen> ah!
17:02 <tristen> ok i can live with that
17:08 <tristen> 2 it is XD
17:26 <tristen> me hammer stuff good
18:15 <Ballig> so are you going 7 int, 7 wis and 7 cha
18:16 <tristen> cheers for that
18:23 <tristen> well...
18:26 <Ballig> haha
18:28 <tristen> i'll have to sleep on it
18:46 <Ballig> I want to see you bring darkwhite to tears at the next con
18:52 <tristen> i'm not sure whether dumping wisdom would be, er, wise
19:00 <tristen> XD
19:16 <tristen> wait is that a commitment?
19:22 <tristen> to the next con?
19:32 <Ballig> dunno, is it?
19:47 <tristen> i was hoping you'd just say "oh yeah might as well"
19:52 <Ballig> ha
21:46 <Ballig> it's like minimum $750 for accommodation
22:08 <mekkis_> no it isn't
22:15 <mekkis_> I pay about $80 a night
22:35 <Ballig> backpacker hotel?
23:01 <tristen> what? $750???
23:05 <tristen> no way
23:30 <Ballig> that's based on $150 a night
23:57 <tristen> how many days does this bloody con go for?
24:03 <Ballig> it's a 4 day con
24:12 <tristen> arrive on the first day
24:35 <Ballig> that's a pretty packed day
24:44 <tristen> you're in canberra?
24:47 <Ballig> aye
24:52 <tristen> you'll drive down or fly?
25:10 <Ballig> fly
25:15 <tristen> easy!
25:35 <Ballig> it's still like, up at 5am to get ready and get to the airport in time for a 6.40 flight
25:35 <Ballig> :p
25:49 <tristen> yeah that's why God made coffee
25:57 <Ballig> I don't drink coffee, and caffeine doesn't affect me anyway
26:14 <tristen> take meth amphetamines and entertain us all!
26:18 <Ballig> ha
26:44 <Ballig> also it's another $300 for return flights
27:04 <Ballig> so even if we shave off $150-300 on accommodation depending on how packed I want the days to be, that's still $750-900 including flights
27:07 <tristen> yeah it stacks
27:26 <mekkis_> pretty much
27:41 <Ballig> $700 if I go backpacker hotel like Mekkis
27:42 <Ballig> :p
28:20 <tristen> hey you mentioned str 20 earlier?
28:34 <tristen> where's there a table that goes beyond 18?
28:48 <tristen> like the cost of 18 is 17
28:51 <Ballig> you take a natural 18 and then add +2 to strength for being human
28:58 <tristen> does it go up by 5
29:00 <tristen> and then 6
29:03 <tristen> and then 7?
29:13 <Ballig> you can't start with a natural above 18
29:19 <mekkis_> mod = score / 2 - 5
29:19 <Ballig> but you can start with a natural 18 and add to it from racial bonuses
29:25 <Ballig> oh, the mod
29:27 <Ballig> right, 20 is +5
29:36 <tristen> cool
29:44 <Ballig> but you can't point buy your way to a 20
29:49 <Ballig> you do it to 18, then racial modifier your way to 20
30:06 <tristen> yeah 'sok i'm happy with 18
30:47 <Ballig> what are you putting the racial modifier into
30:53 <tristen> str
30:58 <Ballig> so you're buying to 16?
31:01 <tristen> yeah
32:17 <tristen> hey i gtg i'll cya
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56:06 <Mort-> Argh
56:11 <Ballig> argh
56:32 <Mort-> Hey how does intensify spell work?
56:41 <Mort-> Adds 5 hit dice to dmg?
56:42 <Ballig> by magic
57:42 <Mort-> So 1d3 becomes 6d3?
57:58 <Ballig> only if the spell does "1d3 per caster level"
58:02 <Mort-> How many levels before you can get max dmg out of it
58:10 <Ballig> for example, lightning bolt does 1d6 per caster level to a maximum 10
58:14 <Mort-> Hm i have to read
58:21 <Ballig> I believe that intensified spell would let it go up to 15d6, but only when you're level 15
58:40 <Mort-> I read forbidden manuals
58:48 <Mort-> And realised i fked up :d
58:52 <Ballig> :p
58:59 <Ballig> an easier example might be shocking grasp
59:05 <Ballig> shocking grasp maxes out at level 5, at 5d6 damage
59:26 <Ballig> with intensified spell, it would go up to 10d6 when you're level 10
59:31 <Ballig> (but 9d6 when you're level 9, 8d6 when you're level 8, etc)
00:17 * Mort- cries on balligs shoulder
00:31 <Mort-> Why didn't i take magical lineage
00:46 <Mort-> Or read the magus guide earlier :p
00:57 <Ballig> what's magical lineage
01:16 <Mort-> Makes any meta magic feat on one spell
01:19 <Mort-> Be one level lower
01:42 <Mort-> Essentially means you can use intensified shocking grasp at lv 1
01:53 <Ballig> er
01:55 <Ballig> there would be no use
01:58 <Mort-> Another combination would be rime spell with ray of frost
02:01 <Mort-> I know
02:11 <Mort-> But at lv 10
02:22 <Mort-> You can do intensified shocking grasp
02:31 <Mort-> On a lv 1 plot
02:33 <Mort-> Slot
02:46 <Mort-> The rime spell thing is weird though
02:58 <Mort-> What happens if the spell level is 0
03:12 <Mort-> Can you be entangled for 0 rounds?
03:19 <Ballig> why would it make the spell level 0
03:39 <Mort-> RimeSpell
03:43 <Ballig> what's RimeSpell
03:46 <Mort-> You do cold dmg using spell
04:07 <Mort-> Target gets entangled for as many number of rounds bps
04:08 <Mort-> As
04:15 <Ballig> just tell me what book it's in
04:18 <Mort-> The level of cold spell you used on him
04:58 <Mort-> Um
05:06 <Mort-> Ultimate magic
05:43 <Mort-> www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/metamagic-feats/rime-spell-metamagic
06:10 <mekkis_> <?grappled
06:10 <Ballig> sorry, why does magical lineage have anything to do with that
06:11 <diebot> A grappled creature is restrained by a creature, trap, or effect. Grappled creatures cannot move and take a 4 penalty to Dexterity. A grappled creature takes a 2 penalty on all attack rolls and combat maneuver checks, except those made to grapple or escape a grapple. In addition, grappled creatures can take no action
06:12 <diebot> that requires two hands to perform. A grappled character who attempts to cast a spell or use a spell-like ability must make a concentration check (DC 10 + grappler's CMB + spell level), or lose the spell. Grappled creatures cannot make attacks of opportunity. // A grappled creature cannot use Stealth to hide from the
06:12 <diebot> creature grappling it, even if a special ability, such as hide in plain sight, would normally allow it to do so. If a grappled creature becomes invisible, through a spell or other ability, it gains a +2 circumstance bonus on its CMD to avoid being grappled, but receives no other benefit.
07:00 <Mort-> www.d20pfsrd.com/traits/magic-traits/magical-lineage
07:06 <Ballig> I've read it
07:08 <Ballig> you need to describe why it matters
07:09 <Mort-> Ray of frost
07:17 <Ballig> that's a level 0 spell
07:19 <Ballig> it wouldn't entangle them
07:25 <Mort-> Cantrip
07:25 <Mort-> Ah
07:31 <Mort-> Thought it might work that way
07:35 <Mort-> Because when its dmg
07:57 <Mort-> You still do minimum 1 as long as you hit,
07:58 <Mort-> ?
08:07 <Mort-> Even with dr?
08:15 <Ballig> not even with DR
08:26 <Ballig> but why would that rule come into play for a metamagic feat that's talking about entanglement?
08:44 <Mort-> I thought it counted the same :p
08:49 <Mort-> Ok i feel better now
09:15 <Mort-> I don't think ill miss a lv 10 intensified shocking gras
09:17 <Mort-> P
09:27 <Mort-> Won't get there
09:34 <Mort-> So time to be a good magus
09:44 <Mort-> And look into arcane strike
10:19 <Mort-> Permanent plus 1 dmg and attack
10:36 <Ballig> damage
10:37 <Ballig> not attack
11:32 <Mort-> Hm
11:37 <Mort-> That or pa at 3
11:58 <Mort-> Pa is +2 -1
12:11 <Mort-> How much does dual wield do on pa
12:30 <Mort-> Some rounds might swing scimitar 2 handed
12:36 <Mort-> Sorry
12:38 <Mort-> 2 hands
12:44 <Ballig> +3 damage instead of +2
12:50 <Mort-> When I'm holding charge
12:54 <Mort-> I think pa better
12:55 <Ballig> +6 damage versus +4 damage when you're a higher level
13:10 <Mort-> Ya pa better
13:25 <Mort-> I will not cast if I'm holding a charge
13:28 <Ballig> I like power attack and furious focus
13:35 <Mort-> If i miss my melee attack
13:46 <Mort-> For my touch spell
14:14 <Mort-> Next round I'm swinging scimitar with 2 hands
14:19 <Mort-> To deliver it
15:18 <Mort-> And yes I'm taking close range
15:24 <Mort-> Whatever the books say
15:36 <Mort-> I don't agree with them on it
15:51 <Mort-> It gives you a free melee attack per round
16:35 <Mort-> You just toss acid splash
17:24 <Mort-> And yell its a melee touch attack!
17:38 <Mort-> I'm using my sword to deliver it!
17:48 <Mort-> Wish i could get combat reflexes
17:59 <Mort-> But no feats for it :$
18:02 <mekkis_> combat reflexes is good
18:13 <Mort-> I know
18:16 <Mort-> No feats
18:22 <Mort-> Lv 3 pa
18:38 <Mort-> Lv 5 arcane strike
18:48 <Mort-> Hm
18:52 <Mort-> Got another one
19:06 <Mort-> Can do combat reflexes at 5
20:19 <Mort-> Wow that means at 3
21:03 <Mort-> I get 1d6+7 with one hand 
21:35 <Mort-> Or 1d6+10 with 2 hands?
21:50 <Mort-> All include pa 
29:51 <Mort-> Going to be a tank without toughness though
29:58 <Mort-> Gee :d
32:46 <Mort-> Just for fun did anyone  try a reach rogue with gangup? :p
35:15 <Mort-> Probably won't work
35:25 <Mort-> Limitations on whip
43:51 Topic for #d&d is: PFS: Sat 11am (Brunius, new game) | CoTE: TBA || All times are AEDT (UTC+11:00) | D&D and Pathfinder Online http://dnd.ballig.net
43:51 Topic for #d&d set by Avatar at Mon Feb 13 19:15:06 2012
53:05 <mekkis_> Players may blunder through dialog with shocking ineptitude, forget the name of the country they are in, or get confused about which side they are on, but once it comes time to roll for initiative they all turn into Sun Tzu.
21:47 <Mort-> Lol?
21:52 <Mort-> Sun tzu?
22:02 <Mort-> That famous general? :d
22:05 <mekkis_> yeah
22:11 <mekkis_> it's worse in here
22:26 <mekkis_> where as soon as a skill check is required, everyone compares modifiers
22:40 <mekkis_> and tries to work out who's best to roll it and who's best to aid it
24:23 <mekkis_> as a player, it's easy to stop: just say "look, I'm doing this", and roll the dice
24:28 <mekkis_> as a DM, it's not as easy
29:55 <Mort-> Hi mek
30:05 * Mort- blushes
30:05 <mekkis_> ummm... hi
30:09 <mekkis_> so yeah
30:27 <Mort-> I've been trying to shop for a pink dress ><
30:29 <mekkis_> there's a term for "comparing modifiers when a skill check is required"
30:35 <mekkis_> it's called "metagaming"
30:39 <Mort-> Oh
30:40 <mekkis_> try to avoid it
30:42 <Mort-> Dear
30:50 <Mort-> Ok ill say as khaz
31:02 <Mort-> I don't ever want to do diplomacy
31:11 <Mort-> Kendra can do it decently
31:18 <Mort-> But not in her character to
31:24 <Mort-> Rather intimidate
31:41 <Mort-> I can't help but talk during scenarios though
31:48 <mekkis_> saying "I don't think anything I could say at this point would help" is a better way of putting it
31:53 <Hydrazine_> eh. i just try to go and do stuff. unless i have good reason to believe someone else would be better at it.
32:02 <Mort-> But. But. 
32:10 <Hydrazine_> my poor fighter doesn't need to metagame to understand that someone else can do UMD rolls.
32:11 <mekkis_> recall that DarkWhite didn't tell anyone his HP
32:31 <Mort-> The moment you talk to get information
32:48 <Mort-> You do your diplo roles
33:03 <Mort-> So khaz for the name of god should really shut up
33:06 <Mort-> Hard
33:09 <mekkis_> heh
33:14 <Mort-> Btw hi hydrazine
33:18 <mekkis_> that's one approach
33:20 <Hydrazine_> Eh. I tried diplo untrained. i failed. so?
33:32 <Mort-> But i talk too much shop
33:39 <Mort-> To shut up in a game
33:50 <Mort-> So hi hydra
33:54 <Hydrazine_> hi.
33:56 <Mort-> Long time no see buddy
33:58 <mekkis_> the other approach is that a combination between in-character conversation and dice rolls will determine your result
34:19 <mekkis_> if you roleplay it well, I will generally give you a +2 or +4 on the check
34:37 <mekkis_> (I generally do)
35:04 <mekkis_> similarly, if you don't roleplay it at all, even after being asked to, expect a penalty.
37:16 <Hydrazine_> last time that sorta thing came up for me, I was already roleplaying it. then i got asked to roll a diplo.
37:42 <mekkis_> yeah
38:01 <mekkis_> and there was probably a bonus factored into it
38:02 <Mort-> Oh but i was gming :d
38:07 <Mort-> I'm new
38:10 <mekkis_> (at least if I was GMing, I would have)
38:34 <Mort-> Oh yes i figured how people get 10d6 on shocking grasp
38:39 <Mort-> Hydra
38:56 <Mort-> Its magical lineage with intense spell
39:06 <Mort-> And arcane strike adds 1 to dmg
39:11 <Mort-> Hm. Get it?
39:11 <mekkis_> damage
39:12 <Hydrazine_> nice.
39:13 <mekkis_> not dmg
39:14 <Mort-> Or toughness
39:15 <mekkis_> PLEASE!
39:20 <Mort-> Dude
39:25 <Mort-> I'm on cell!
39:34 <mekkis_> so am I...
39:34 <Mort-> Cut me some slack :d
39:40 <Mort-> Wow.
39:47 <Hydrazine_> intense spell is metamagic right?
39:52 <Mort-> Ok fine. I should mind my spelling
39:52 <mekkis_> the DMG is the 3.5e Dungeon Master's Guide
39:55 <Mort-> Yes
40:05 <Hydrazine_> i think the magic spell book is probably my weakest section.
40:17 <mekkis_> Hydrazine_, are you playing a wizard?
40:19 <Mort-> But magical lineage
40:25 <Mort-> Makes the spell -1
40:40 <Mort-> He has no arcane casters
40:43 <Mort-> He plays tanks
40:50 <Mort-> I'm opposite of him
40:54 <Hydrazine_> nope!
40:57 <Mort-> Play  arcane casters
41:00 <Mort-> No tanks
41:07 <Hydrazine_> Its not that I don't play arcane casters. I just don't play wizards.
41:24 <Hydrazine_> I'll play a sorc no problem.
42:04 <mekkis_> Mort needs to play in a scenario with Deceased
42:11 <mekkis_> so we can share spellbooks
42:27 <mekkis_> actually, she needs to play with Mytiazair
43:32 <Mort-> Lol
43:37 <Mort-> She will get spells
43:45 <Mort-> She is a packrat
43:50 <Mort-> Anyway
43:59 <Mort-> So i read the magus guide
44:01 <mekkis_> have you seen Mytiazair's spell list?
44:09 <Mort-> They were all about arcane accuracy
44:18 <Mort-> Probably just the entire wizard spell list
44:19 <mekkis_> Mort-, forget the guide!
44:27 <Mort-> Whic. I'm not surprised
44:37 <Mort-> I told you i went to the dark side
44:40 <Mort-> For cookies
44:55 <Mort-> But i don't think that trick will be too good
45:09 <mekkis_> that's not the dark side
45:11 <Mort-> I intend to get wand mastery and close range for arcana
45:16 <mekkis_> that's the STUPID side
45:21 <Mort-> Lol
45:28 <Mort-> I won't do like what they did
45:33 <Mort-> It will be differ
45:36 <Mort-> Different
45:43 <mekkis_> Mytiazair's spell list:
45:45 <mekkis_> Spells Known/Slots (CL 7):
45:45 <mekkis_>  5th Break Enchantment
45:45 <mekkis_>  4th Greater Invisibility, Phantasmal Killer, Dimension Door, Terrible Remorse, Baleful Polymorph,
45:45 <mekkis_>      Confusion, Enervation, Dismissal, Lesser Globe of Invulnerability, Mnomic Enhancer, Resiliant
45:45 <mekkis_>      Sphere, Greater Invisibility
45:45 <mekkis_>  3rd Summon Monster III, lightning Bolt, Slow, Dispel Magic, Shrink Item, Suggestion, Haste,
45:45 <mekkis_>      Fireball, Blink, Hold Person, Twilight Knife, Fly, Seek Thoughts, Phantom Steed, Arcane Sight,
45:45 <mekkis_>      Gaseous Form, Stinking Cloud, Magic Circle, Greater Magic Weapon, Protection from Energy
45:45 <mekkis_>      Heroism, Displacement
45:45 <mekkis_>  2nd Blur, Cat’s Grace, Alter Self, False Life, Invisibilty, Scorching Ray, Hideous Laughter,
45:45 <mekkis_>      Flaming Sphere, Fire Breath, Touch of Idiocy, Web, Bull’s Strength, Pyrotechnics, Levitate, Fog
45:45 <mekkis_>      Cloud, Locate Object, Glitterdust, Blindness/deafness, Bear’s Endurance, Bull’s Strength,
45:45 <mekkis_>      Darkvision, Eagle’s Splendor, Fox’s Cunning, Knock, Magic Mouth, See invisibility, Spider Climb
45:45 <mekkis_>  1st Silent image, Mage armor, Sleep, Shield, Colour Spray, Enlarge Person, Charm Person, Endure
45:45 <mekkis_>      Elements, Grease, True Strike, Summon Monster I, Comprehend Languages, Feather Fall, Grease,
45:45 <mekkis_>      Flare Burst, Floating Disk, Jump, Magic Missile, shocking Grasp, Unseen Servant, Obscuring Mist
45:45 <mekkis_>    0 All
47:41 <Mort-> Twilight knife for?
47:51 <Mort-> Unseen servant is useful
48:05 <Mort-> Might help you dig your pack for wands
49:39 <mekkis_> Mort-, half of those spells were scribed because they were available
49:44 <mekkis_> not because they were good
49:57 <Mort-> Hydrazine they were recommending quick draw to use a quick draw shield lol
50:10 <Hydrazine_> huh?
50:13 <Mort-> To give ac then stash it when you use spell combat
50:17 <mekkis_> so, what you should do, is to get your character to level 5
50:25 <mekkis_> before Mytiazair hits level 10
50:35 <mekkis_> and play a game with him
50:35 <Mort-> Quick draw feat with quick draw shield
50:37 <Mort-> Yeah
50:41 <mekkis_> and copy his spellbooks
50:46 <mekkis_> ok?
50:53 <mekkis_> you're 4XP away, right?
51:17 <Hydrazine_> i thought khaz was low?
51:25 <mekkis_> I"m talking about Mort
51:27 <mekkis_> not Khaz
52:00 <Hydrazine_> ah. right.
52:12 <Hydrazine_> not sure if i agree with this quickdraw thing.
52:18 <mekkis_> seems dumb
52:28 <Hydrazine_> i know 3.5 quick draw covered both in and out, but pfs version doesn't.
52:40 <Hydrazine_> pfs quick draw doesn't say shit about putting things away.
52:46 <mekkis_> why not just carry multiple shields
52:51 <Hydrazine_> rofl.
52:53 <mekkis_> hell
52:56 <mekkis_> why bother at all
53:01 <Hydrazine_> carry 5 shields, pick them all up when you're done?
53:11 <Hydrazine_> hope combat only lasts 6 rounds?
53:19 <mekkis_> most of the time it does
53:29 <mekkis_> (the combat I had today lasted ages)
53:39 <mekkis_> like, 14 rounds
54:17 <Mort-> You ran a game?
54:29 <Mort-> Quickdraw shields
54:37 <Mort-> Can be put away with a free action
54:38 <mekkis_> no
54:42 <mekkis_> played in one
54:59 <Mort-> With quick draw feat
55:05 <Hydrazine_> damn scheduling.
55:45 <mekkis_> what?
55:56 <mekkis_> I've been playing in Monday night games for the last year or so
56:09 <mekkis_> I'll be running a game this Wednesday
56:49 <Mort-> www.d20pfsrd.com/equipment---final/armor/quickdraw-shield
56:58 <Mort-> Can't be around
57:04 <Mort-> Unless its night
57:10 <Mort-> Go go hydra!
57:12 <mekkis_> it's night
57:16 <mekkis_> but it's not in here
57:19 <Mort-> Cool!
57:25 <Mort-> Oh no :(
57:27 <Mort-> Lol
57:56 <Mort-> With quickdraw feat
58:11 <Mort-> Basically you have a ninja shield!
58:37 <mekkis_> take the throw anything feat!
58:39 <Mort-> But waste a feat to get a shield that you can enchant
58:46 <mekkis_> and put spikes on the shield
58:52 <mekkis_> and enchant them with returning!
59:31 <Mort-> Lol
59:46 <Mort-> How much does a spike shield do
59:59 <Mort-> Btw does scorpion whip have the same problem
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