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00:04 <Mekkis> unfortunately, handle animal isn't a class skill
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30:09 <WooMod> don't care
30:16 <WooMod> best use of a wizards starting cash
31:17 Topic for #d&d is: PFS: Sat 11am (Brunius, new game) | CoTE: TBA || All times are AEDT (UTC+11:00) | D&D and Pathfinder Online http://dnd.ballig.net
31:17 Topic for #d&d set by Avatar at Mon Feb 13 19:15:06 2012
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46:29 <Avatar> I couldn't decide whether I should take handle animal on my druid
46:56 <Avatar> eventually decided to, but I think it might have been a mistake
51:42 <WooMod> get handle animal
52:05 <WooMod> train your bear to bite naugthy bits on command
53:08 <Avatar> I don't have an animal companion
54:27 <WooMod> but...druid
55:00 <Avatar> urban druid
55:23 <WooMod> so your um moose?
55:38 <Avatar> no animal companion chief
56:18 <WooMod> use handle animal to tame one, god
56:56 <Namagem> Or be your own animal companion
56:56 <Avatar> in pathfinder you can either have a single cleric domain, or an animal companion
57:07 <Namagem> That's always fun
57:25 <Avatar> I don't know if you can tame one in pathfinder society, not effectively 
57:27 <Avatar> takes weeks doesn't it
57:39 <WooMod> yeah.
57:53 <Avatar> yeah you've got a mission to do
57:55 <Avatar> people won't wait around
58:17 <Avatar> you can buy a horse
58:50 <Avatar> a guard dog is 25gp
59:21 <Avatar> won't kill anything though, I don't think :P
59:26 <Namagem> What did the dubstep artist say to his sweetheart on valentine's day?
59:31 <Namagem> I wubwubwub you
59:58 <Avatar> 6hp, +2 to attack, 1d4+1 damage
04:14 <WooMod> your terrible
04:22 <WooMod> that's terrible
04:28 <WooMod> also, i need to send that to samus
10:54 <WooMod> riding dogs have 13hp for 150
10:54 <Namagem> Hey mort
11:14 <Mort-> wuhs
11:15 <Namagem> Well, you need components
11:26 <Namagem> Just saying hey
11:34 <Mort-> wuuuuuhs
17:29 <Avatar> be nice mort
18:05 <Mort-> what?
18:09 <Mort-> all i said were Wuhs
18:40 <Avatar> no you also said wuuuuuhs
35:01 <Avatar> like, samus from metroid?
35:18 <Namagem> Samuszoomer
35:21 <Namagem> A guy we know
35:23 <Namagem> Makes music
36:42 <Avatar> gotcha
37:41 <Avatar> where are you guys located
38:20 <WooMod> florida
41:17 <Namagem> Well
41:20 <Namagem> He's florida
41:26 <Namagem> I'm West Virginia
41:27 <Namagem> Both US
47:29 <Avatar> americanos
48:02 <WooMod> yes
48:24 <Avatar> cool
44:12 <Hydrazine_> woah.
44:14 <Hydrazine_> more florida?
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03:48 <Mekkis> Avatar doesn't want to play a druid, he just wants the spell list
09:26 <WooMod> but druids are awesome
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30:14 <Hydrazine> yo.
32:15 <WooMod> ello
34:37 <Hydrazine> More people! crazy.
35:21 <WooMod> yes!
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38:05 <Hydrazine> oh shit, Mort's here.
40:11 <Mort-> k time to go
40:12 <Mort-> dpmt wprru
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27:47 <tristen> Hydrazine - i'm rethinking the whole thing now...
27:58 <tristen> i've got the right idea
28:06 <tristen> but it's not tied together correctly
28:23 <tristen> i need the gm to be able to tie together a series of maps
28:36 <tristen> so they can switch from map to map
28:41 <tristen> for the "game"
28:51 <tristen> and the players just sit on the one page
29:00 <tristen> and the map changes as necessary
29:13 <tristen> so it's back to the drawing board for the next few days
31:11 <Hydrazine> i see.
31:32 <Hydrazine> ..unless you make an import feature to throw characters in from a different map?
31:50 <tristen> yeah i've been thinking about that
32:00 <tristen> like "players" are there for the duration of the "game"
32:14 <tristen> but "npcs" are switched in and out depending on the "map"
32:44 <tristen> so the idea being
32:53 <tristen> the gm can set up a whole scenario in advance
32:55 <tristen> maps
32:57 <tristen> npcs
33:03 <tristen> and all that stuff
33:18 <tristen> and on the day they just lob onto the site
33:22 <tristen> launch the "game"
33:25 <Hydrazine> interesting.
33:39 <tristen> yep
34:12 <tristen> and then later if they re-run the scenario
34:20 <tristen> all the base data will still be there
34:27 <tristen> so they don't have to reset it all up
34:42 <tristen> or indeed maybe they can make the scenario public
34:48 <tristen> so any gm can "copy" it
34:52 <tristen> if need be
34:56 <tristen> fuck that'd be cool
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47:25 <Avatar> zzzz
52:21 * tristen shrieks "BEES!"
56:18 <Avatar> that's bzzzz
57:01 <tristen> no bzzzz is a pleasant bee bumbling around gathering pollen and shit
57:08 <tristen> zzzzz is death from above
57:24 <Avatar> zzzzz
57:47 <tristen> heheh my short attention span has saved me
58:34 <Avatar> I was going to look up the job description again for this interview tomorrow
58:37 <Avatar> but they're not advertising it anymore
59:09 <tristen> hey what was that i read the other day about them springing a phone interview on you?
59:27 <Avatar> yeah while I was applying for a jobs, one of them called me 5 minutes later for a phone interview
59:44 <tristen> "speedy-stress"
59:54 <tristen> "this will really freak him out"
59:57 <tristen> lolol
00:08 <Avatar> I handled it like the professional funemployed person I am
00:38 <tristen> oh? all cool-like?
01:45 <tristen> i get particularly stressed by interviews
02:07 <tristen> it's like "out-sell yourself more than anyone else and the job's yours"
02:26 <tristen> or at least i think it is...
03:54 <Avatar> yeah I am garbage with interviews
04:06 <Avatar> or I think I am anyway
04:36 <Avatar> I think I've had 3 interviews ever
47:17 <MekkisScreen> **Squark** is Death from Above
47:34 <MekkisScreen> just ask Ari
48:05 <MekkisScreen> I might be playing Amoung the Living today
48:21 <MekkisScreen> teresting.
48:21 <MekkisScreen> 01:28 < tristen> yep
52:57 <Avatar> online?
53:03 <Avatar> let's do it
56:48 <MekkisScreen> if I play it, I'll run it online :)
57:03 <tristen> Among the Living?
57:23 <MekkisScreen> is anyone up for running a 5-9 scenario when Mort reaches 5th?
57:40 <tristen> yep! how far off is she?
57:47 <MekkisScreen> 4XP
57:55 <tristen> geez
57:58 <MekkisScreen> one of which is going to be BTD2
58:07 <tristen> we got heaps of players at 5th? can she not just make one?
58:35 <MekkisScreen> no, she can't
59:04 <MekkisScreen> it's her chance to get Mytiazair's spellbook!
59:13 <tristen> but...but...she's only level 2 1/3
59:16 <tristen> oh
59:20 <MekkisScreen> no
59:25 <MekkisScreen> she's level 3 2/3
59:41 <MekkisScreen> so after BTD2, she'll reach level 4
00:08 <tristen> 4xp = 3 2/3?
00:19 <MekkisScreen> 4XP OFF level 5
00:23 <tristen> oh!
00:28 <MekkisScreen> 4XP until she reaches level 5
00:30 <tristen> k yeah
03:20 <Avatar> is mort expected to survive the BTD 2
11:48 <MekkisScreen> unless horrible things happen
12:11 <MekkisScreen> (like Cairo, Bob and Kaleb join them :S )
12:46 <MekkisScreen> pushing APL higher
13:01 <MekkisScreen> it Cairo joined them, APL would probably be 3-4
13:04 <MekkisScreen> could be tough
13:08 <MekkisScreen> I think it would be survivable
16:33 <Avatar> not if last time was any indication
20:53 <MekkisScreen> heh
21:19 <MekkisScreen> Cairo's what? 6th level now?
22:35 <Avatar> 5th
22:59 <Avatar> don't make recommendations :P
24:39 <MekkisScreen> would be interesting it Bob joined
27:26 <MekkisScreen> how did The Pallid Plague play out
27:31 <MekkisScreen> do you remember it?
27:41 <MekkisScreen> hmmm
27:44 <MekkisScreen> ah
27:49 <MekkisScreen> I remember
27:54 <MekkisScreen> I was soft on you
27:57 <MekkisScreen> really soft
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38:30 <Avatar> yeah I remember pallid plague
38:45 <Avatar> if that was soft, I would hate to say what is tough
39:03 <Avatar> we were pulling out all stops
42:28 <MekkisScreen> you never actually risked death
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43:20 <MekkisScreen> any game scheduled for Sunday?
44:58 <Avatar> check what ballig's doing
46:10 <MekkisScreen> what's the url for the chronicle sheet generator?
52:08 <MekkisScreen> the "tough" thing that you're thinking about was the "help find a cure" but
52:17 <MekkisScreen> that you pretty much failed at
52:24 <MekkisScreen> but I was soft and let you pass
52:51 <MekkisScreen> Mellon also helped the Taldans come up with a poison that was effective against the Andoran Eagle Knights
52:55 <MekkisScreen> :)
54:53 <Avatar> yeah I know what part you're talking about
54:55 <Avatar> can't forget
56:14 <MekkisScreen> I'm sure that that betrayal of his people haunted Mellon for the rest of his life
56:41 <Avatar> not everything is a betrayal you know
02:18 <MekkisScreen> yeah
02:26 <MekkisScreen> but what Mellon did... that was betrayal
03:26 <MekkisScreen> "A herbologist has come up with an antidote for the poison we use on the Eagle Knights. Get us a copy of the formula so that we can develop poisons that aren't affected by this.
07:32 <Avatar> he didn't know that was the purpose
14:22 <tristen> mellon: may he rest in pieces...
14:34 <tristen> (drumroll)
22:18 <tristen> actually - i know i keep banging on about character death...
22:28 <tristen> although it's been a while since we've had a death
22:51 <tristen> but i don't think i've witnessed the death of a character that has enough pa to resurrect yet...
22:56 <tristen> only mellon i think
22:59 <tristen> and gogg
23:06 <tristen> and brunius' fighter
23:41 <Avatar> I keep wanting to spend prestige
23:51 <Avatar> it's very easy to burn it on 750gp stuff
23:57 <Avatar> or vanities
24:15 <tristen> right - was 750gp the max you can buy with prestige?
24:23 <Avatar> not sure
24:30 <Avatar> 750gp for 2 prestige is a solid deal
24:37 <Avatar> great for level 3 potions
24:46 <tristen> right!
24:53 <tristen> yeah so you burn your prestige?
24:59 <tristen> i reckon i should consider it too
25:05 <Avatar> well the idea is
25:12 <Avatar> it's supposed to save you from having to spend 16 prestige on a raise dead
25:18 <tristen> cos i haven't spent a single prestige on tasiv or leis yet
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25:35 <tristen> well i think i'd be able to get over the death of a character easy enough
25:42 <Avatar> better to spend 2 or 4 or 6 on some wands
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25:46 <tristen> yes
26:10 <tristen> i thought there was a limit to how much prestige you could spend on an item?
26:25 <tristen> or could i use prestige to enchant my armour or something?
26:41 <Avatar> have a look at the table in the PFS guide
26:47 <tristen> yea
28:57 <Avatar> yeah 750gp is the highest
29:06 <Avatar> you can spend 1 prestige for a 150gp item, but I can't see why you'd ever use that
30:02 <tristen> +4 on any one skill check**	
30:03 <tristen> 1 PP
30:08 <tristen> what is that?
30:17 <Avatar> a one-time bonus
30:28 <Avatar> so if you have a trap to unlock and you want a +4 bonus to it
30:32 <Avatar> you can spend 1 prestige on it
30:41 <Avatar> but that's just for that one time
30:49 <Avatar> next time you try to disable device, you don't get the bonus and the prestige is still gone
30:53 <tristen> ah i was gonna say
31:03 <Avatar> not sure when that would ever be handy
31:32 <MekkisScreen> don't you need to be somewhere to do that?
31:59 <Avatar> doesn't mention anything else about it
32:05 <Avatar> I wouldn't think so
33:14 <Hydrazine> ...doesn't really work if you need to be somewhere specific for it huh?
34:57 <Avatar> it's not very useful as it is, let alone if you have to be somewhere for it
35:31 <Hydrazine> Not very practical to carry a trap back to the shop so you can disarm it.
35:47 <Avatar> tristen: you heard how joel gave brunius a free raise dead at arcanacon
35:49 <Avatar> ?
35:57 <tristen> no?
36:02 <tristen> pray tell?
36:04 <Avatar> 5450gp out of his own pocket
36:14 <Avatar> after blood under absalom
36:29 <Avatar> or 5000gp I think it is
36:30 <tristen> kaleb died in it?
36:35 <Avatar> yeah
36:43 <tristen> joel's fault?
36:47 <Avatar> nobody's fault
36:53 <tristen> or just good guy joel?
36:57 <Avatar> just good guy joel
37:04 <tristen> what a good guy
37:09 <Avatar> normally a high level cleric would ask him to pay for the material component
37:16 <Avatar> but he said meh it's all good
37:25 <Avatar> I wish I had 5000gp lying around
37:42 <tristen> yeah :)
37:49 <tristen> hey how did kaleb cark it?
38:03 <Avatar> he was flanking the dude who said you shall not pass
38:07 <tristen> ah!
38:28 <tristen> yeah BAM
38:33 <Avatar> pretty well designed encounter that one
38:49 <tristen> man you shoulda seen us low-levellers with it
38:53 <tristen> we had NOTHING
38:59 <tristen> to counter any of that shit
39:09 <Avatar> too high AC's?
39:09 <tristen> it was the single-worst gaming experience for me
39:20 <tristen> no all the abilities/spells of the npcs
39:25 <tristen> too powerful
39:36 <Avatar> would've liked to been a fly on the wall at that tier
39:48 <tristen> we tried oh we tried
40:15 <tristen> but we all just kept looking at each other going "we can't do shit"
50:10 <Thelen> yea that dude was a bit BS
50:20 <Thelen> he critted kaleb iirc
50:58 <Avatar> I think crits are a pretty major cause of character death
51:56 <MekkisScreen> II personally thought that Blood Under Absalom was gruelling
52:14 <MekkisScreen> crits are a major form of preventable character death
52:18 <MekkisScreen> sorry
52:21 <MekkisScreen> unpreventable
52:24 <MekkisScreen> character death
52:36 <MekkisScreen> I've found "big things that grapple you" is a higher form
52:49 <MekkisScreen> stupidity ranks high too
53:00 <MekkisScreen> as does a lack of party cooperation
53:19 <MekkisScreen> look at how many people it killed in LSK!
54:30 <Avatar> yeah if the party had banded together they might have had a chance to take down Jasim
54:43 <MekkisScreen> heh
55:01 <MekkisScreen> don't blame Jasim
55:09 <MekkisScreen> Blame Lord AllMyGuysDie
55:26 <MekkisScreen> if the party had cooperated with Jasim, it wouldn't be an issue...
55:30 <Avatar> Lord AllMyGuysDie didn't kill his own party
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01:09 <MekkisScreen> no
01:41 <MekkisScreen> he sent unprepared unskilled and uncooperative people into the field
11:07 <Avatar> ie. you
31:13 <MekkisScreen> Jasim wasn't sent by Lord AllMyGuysDie
31:24 <MekkisScreen> he was sent by the Ilogepi tribe
32:41 <Avatar> you're right, the tribe turned against Lord AllMyGuysDie
32:57 <Avatar> remind me not to allow backstories again
33:29 <MekkisScreen> what?
33:47 <MekkisScreen> you speak of backstories as if it's a bad thing
35:17 <Avatar> exactly
37:56 <MekkisScreen> why?
38:24 <MekkisScreen> you can't force people to not roleplay
38:25 <Avatar> because a backstory shouldn't be used as justification to kill party members
38:33 <MekkisScreen> I didn't
38:56 <MekkisScreen> the killing party members was all in-character and concerned actions that occured ingame
38:57 <Avatar> then the tribe shouldnt' have sent unprepared, unskilled and uncooperate people into the field
39:06 <MekkisScreen> Jasim was prepared
39:09 <MekkisScreen> he was skilled
39:11 <Avatar> prepared to kill
39:15 <MekkisScreen> and he was willing to cooperate
39:16 <Avatar> skilled as a munchkin
39:24 <Avatar> willing to cooperate if his demands were met
40:05 <MekkisScreen> willing to offer respect where respect was due
40:38 <Avatar> and willing to kill the party if not
41:42 <Avatar> in their sleep, no less
42:02 <MekkisScreen> she started it
42:26 <Avatar> and you ended it
43:00 <MekkisScreen> so, that's a good thing
43:02 <MekkisScreen> right?
43:19 <Avatar> no
43:39 <Avatar> it was your fault that respect wasn't given in the first place
43:58 <MekkisScreen> what?
44:14 <MekkisScreen> she forsaked Oglienar!
45:19 <MekkisScreen> and she spent the next few days claiming that the slaves weren't important
45:24 <MekkisScreen> and shouldn't be saved
45:44 <MekkisScreen> and claiming that the cow was only useful for milk
46:09 <MekkisScreen> and prevented him from finding horses from Willow Ridge
46:12 <Avatar> it's not kosher to punish a player like that over a not wanting to get a horse that the GM clearly doesn't want in the game
46:17 <MekkisScreen> hell, she manhandled him
46:46 <Avatar> if I was more experienced, you would have rolled a save to accidentally stab yourself in the foot with your lance and done that damage to yourself 
47:59 <MekkisScreen> ?
48:42 <MekkisScreen> that doesn't even make sense
50:41 <Avatar> to avoid
50:55 <Avatar> you can't kill party members man
51:07 <Avatar> certainly not over a tiny lack of respect
51:20 <Avatar> and certainly not when they're trying to get on with the game and you're not
51:43 <MekkisScreen> it was not "a little disrespect"
51:52 <Avatar> it was absolutely a little disrespect
52:23 <MekkisScreen> and I genuinely thought that there were more leads available in Willow Ridge
52:41 <Avatar> still not grounds to kill the party member
54:25 <MekkisScreen> the considerable lack of respect and unreliability was - fin Jasim's low-wisdom, animal-hugging opinion - justified
54:48 <Avatar> it does not justify killing them
54:59 <Avatar> you have to take the player's fun into consideration man
55:07 <Avatar> that goes too far
55:07 <MekkisScreen> I did
55:22 <Avatar> what, did he say he didn't want the character
56:57 <MekkisScreen> the player at the time did, yes
57:22 <Avatar> well I guess that changes things
57:33 <Avatar> I don't remember him saying that
57:48 <Avatar> I'll check that one
58:10 <MekkisScreen> he was bitching about the character he was playing
58:15 <MekkisScreen> not being horribly overpowered
58:19 <Avatar> oh, so no
58:37 <Avatar> not being munckined like you
58:52 <MekkisScreen> not being munchkined like Mavor's other characters
00:12 <Avatar> cmon
00:43 <Avatar> bitching about the character does not equate to not wanting to play it anymore
02:27 <MekkisScreen> I think Mavor's comments were a bit more pointed than that
02:48 <MekkisScreen> and at the time, Shadow_mask was rather bored of his character
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09:19 <Brunius> No topic yo
09:51 Avatar has changed the topic to: PFS: Sat 11am (Brunius, new game) | CoTE: TBA || All times are AEDT (UTC+11:00) | D&D and Pathfinder Online http://dnd.ballig.net
17:47 <Avatar> where are the pathfinder goblin song t-shirts
18:52 <Avatar> mentioned under shirt rerolls but not on the site
23:47 <Brunius> tried google?
24:26 <Brunius> Limited edition
25:01 <Avatar> fuck
26:37 <Brunius> I have to roll a 5th level combat oriented cleric by friday next week
26:40 <Brunius> Not sure if I can do this
27:46 <Brunius> What really sucks is that it's 3.5
27:58 <Avatar> what for
29:47 <Brunius> RL campaign
38:23 <Avatar> sounds like a RL campaign you don't want to be in
47:06 <Ballig> sup jerks
47:24 <Brunius> Listening to breaking benjamin
47:25 <Brunius> LOUD
47:36 <Ballig> are you rebelling
48:07 <Brunius> Nope
58:11 <Avatar> killing floor is $3 on steam
01:46 <Brunius> Is this going to be like Dungeons of Dredmor
01:55 <Brunius> You con me into playing it and then it's crap
01:56 <Avatar> what was wrong with dungeons of dredmor
02:02 <Brunius> It's nethack
02:08 <Brunius> I can play nethack for free yo
02:13 <Brunius> In case you hadn't noticed
02:13 <Avatar> do you like nethack
02:36 <Brunius> It's not that I dislike it, it's that I don't feel like it was appropriately priced
02:59 <Avatar> so you are upset that you paid for something you enjoy
03:04 <Avatar> you make me sick
03:09 <Ballig> he's upset that he paid for something he can get for free
03:13 <Ballig> it's like going to a prostitute
03:17 <Ballig> do you like going to a prostitute, Avatar
03:17 <Ballig> do you
03:25 <Avatar> it's not like going to a prostitute
03:27 <Ballig> yes it is
03:37 <Ballig> you pay for something you enjoy
03:40 <Ballig> even though you can get it for free
03:44 <Ballig> bam, prostitute
03:52 <Avatar> dungeons of dredmor is better
03:57 <Ballig> it's still a prostitute
04:04 <Avatar> oh so you think prostitutes are better do you
04:08 <Avatar> do you
09:12 <Ballig> I haven't played Dungeons of Dredmore
09:16 <Ballig> but it sure sounds like a prostitute to me
10:18 <Avatar> ah perhaps you would think differently if you had played it
10:31 <Ballig> maybe, maybe not
10:40 <Ballig> it's schroedinger's prostitute
10:58 <Avatar> speaking of games we don't want to play, I watched an ep of good games that reviewed skyrim and downloaded a pirate version to take a look
11:16 <Avatar> it is on my backburner list of pirated games that will probably never get played
11:22 <Avatar> I'll get to LA Noire one of these days
11:31 <Ballig> I'm tempted to buy a PS3
11:36 <Ballig> but I can only think of two games I might buy for it
12:17 <Ballig> (LA Noir is one of them)
12:38 <Avatar> get it on PC instead
12:42 <Avatar> what's the other one
13:31 <Ballig> dark souls
14:15 <Avatar> I heard that was coming to PC
15:05 <Ballig> On January 6th 2012 fans started a petition to bring Dark Souls to PC, with over 82,600 people signing it in the first 2 weeks.[29] On January 13th Tony Shoupinou replied by saying: “Damn you are amazing! I honestly wasn’t expecting such a massive support. My boss(es) even came to talk to me about this, after it exploded all around the world. If you wanted to have the attention of Namco Bandai 
15:05 <Ballig> Games, now you have it. The future is in your hands, and I hope you will keep supporting this. I make a personal objective to make sure every relevant person at Namco Bandai Games is in touch with this formidable effort”.[30]
15:48 <Avatar> yep
15:55 <Ballig> but he didn't say there'd be a PC version
16:03 <Ballig> he simply said it was amazing and he'd make sure relevant people at namco know about it
16:11 <Avatar> well it's inevitable
18:31 <Ballig> I wouldn't say inevitable
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19:45 <Ballig> ha, has DarkWhite actually used the website at all
21:15 <Ballig> I might run Assault on the Kingdom of the Impossible on Sunday
22:51 <Avatar> yeah he logged in
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24:33 <Ballig> sup brony
24:52 <Namagem> Hey guys
25:07 <Avatar> namagem
25:14 <Avatar> hey, that's megaman backwards
25:37 <Namagem> Yes, I explicitly stated that yesterday
25:51 <Avatar> I wasn't listening
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48:07 <Namagem> Anyone else here?
50:04 <Ballig> no!
50:41 <Namagem> (dejected) Okay. :c
50:50 <Ballig> :)
50:57 <Brunius> Definetely no one here
51:58 ChanOP gives channel operator status to Ballig
52:10 <Namagem> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjwfbpKON0E
52:11 Ballig has changed the topic to: PFS: Sat 11am (Brunius, new game) | Sun 11am (Ballig, new game) | CoTE: TBA || All times are AEDT (UTC+11:00) | D&D and Pathfinder Online http://dnd.ballig.net
52:46 <Namagem> Do you guys operate on like a shift system when it comes to channel moderating?
52:49 <Namagem> Or something?
52:55 <Ballig> nope
52:58 * Ballig removes channel operator status from Ballig
53:12 <Ballig> Avatar and I are the channel moderators
53:26 <Namagem> Ah
54:40 <Avatar> magistrates is the term I like to use
54:45 <Ballig> ha
54:59 <Ballig> I will be a court of appeals justice
56:33 <Ballig> I scheduled Assault on the Kingdom of the Impossible for Sunday and invited Brunius, Hydrazine, Jaggedsoul, Kempt, Lord, Mort, Tashes, Thelen and Tristen
56:56 <Brunius> I've played it
57:01 <Ballig> oh
57:05 <Ballig> I'm sure it came up as a suggestion
57:24 <Ballig> yeah you haven't marked it off on the website
59:36 <Brunius> i knew there were some I missed
59:42 <Ballig> it's all good
00:00 <Ballig> I un-invited you
00:04 <Ballig> you already-played-it-er
00:06 <Brunius> :(
01:11 <Namagem> Is Kingdom of the impossible one of the APs?
01:29 <Ballig> what's an APs
01:59 <Brunius> Adventure Path
02:01 <Brunius> It's not
02:06 <Brunius> It's a PFS scenari
02:08 <Brunius> o
02:16 <Namagem> Ah
02:37 <Namagem> Isn't PFS basically Living Campaign?
02:40 <Brunius> Yeah
02:44 <Ballig> it's organised play
02:45 <Brunius> It is a living campaign
03:16 <Namagem> Organized play, I've always found kinda silly
03:19 <Namagem> It makes sense
03:33 <Ballig> it's the only way to play at conventions, really
03:41 <Ballig> and it also helps in a lot of other places, like here
03:55 <Ballig> when you have people coming and going and not being able to commit to long-term campaigns or being able to play every weekend
04:03 <Ballig> then organised play lets them play in a more "modular" fashion
04:56 <Namagem> I prefer things that are pregen+miniadventure
05:07 <Ballig> organised play is kind of like that
05:11 <Ballig> you can pregen it if you want
05:21 <Ballig> but otherwise you have your own character that you play in the miniadventures
05:45 <Namagem> Don't you have to start from 1 regardless of what the module is made for if you pregen or start fresh?
06:11 <Ballig> you start with the level 1-2 miniadventures
06:19 <Ballig> well, level 1-5 miniadventures
06:22 <Ballig> at the 1-2 subtier
06:44 <Namagem> What if there's none of those being played at the con that you are at?
06:53 <Ballig> there will be
06:57 <Namagem> because everyone is already higher level
07:04 <Brunius> Never happens
07:17 <Brunius> And unless the organiser is a total dick, everyone will get to play
07:40 <tristen> geez tell me it ain't true:
07:50 <Brunius> Even if that means a group has to roll new chars at level 1
07:59 <tristen> the *** next to "free purchase up to 750gp"
08:02 <tristen> for 2pa
08:13 <tristen> oh nevermind
08:16 <Brunius> ?
08:24 <tristen> just read something, er, "rong"
08:49 <Ballig> how did you read it
08:58 <tristen> well it says once per session
09:13 <tristen> so if you have 16 pp
09:22 <tristen> you can't buy anything but one thing...
09:33 <tristen> up to that of course
09:45 <tristen> so as you accumulate 2pa (usually) per session
09:50 <tristen> how do you catch up?
10:08 <tristen> you gotta SPEND UP BIG to begin with i suppose...
10:15 <Ballig> sorry, catch up to what
10:35 <tristen> i've got ~16 or 17 or 18 prestige saved up possibly more
10:43 <Brunius> Save it for a true res
10:49 <tristen> nah if i die i die
11:23 <tristen> like avatar said there's some handy potions you can bag for 2pp
11:24 <Brunius> Mekkis: I hear the blackros family is making a large appearance at the next paizocon
11:35 <Brunius> Potions of Fly are great
11:41 <tristen> but i can only get one... :(
11:45 <tristen> per session
11:53 <tristen> anyhoo i'll stop mah bitching
13:07 <Ballig> ha
13:20 <Ballig> keep in mind that if you spend 16 PA to get resurrected, you still have 2 negative levels on you
13:22 <Ballig> that you need to get rid of
13:36 <Brunius> 4pp each
14:19 <Namagem> What
14:26 <Namagem> That's silly
14:59 <Namagem> Negative levels and stat damage are silly concepts, IMO
15:09 <tristen> _if_ i get resurrected
15:29 <tristen> i'm not happy about the whole death thing :)
16:04 <tristen> i mean i'm not unhappy about the whole death thing :)
18:04 <Ballig> potions are worthless to you if you're dead and aren't getting resurrected
18:23 <Ballig> it's like buying a car when you don't have a licence
18:56 <Namagem> It's more like
19:01 <Namagem> Winning the lottery
19:02 <Brunius> "Cool story, you have a car....but you can't do anything with it"
19:04 <Namagem> After you die
21:57 <tristen> brunius: yeah man you can show the car to the ladies and get some action
22:12 <tristen> (that's what the automotive industry has taught me)
22:19 <Brunius> How are you going to get it somewhere so that you can show it to the ladies?
23:55 <tristen> hmmm...maybe get your mum to drive you round in it?
28:00 <Ballig> that's what you would be doing if you spent all your PA on potions instead of having enough to be resurrected
28:09 <Ballig> you would be buying a car and having your mum drive you around in it
28:58 <tristen> yeah but seriously - if you have no intention of resurrecting for example
29:04 <tristen> what do you do with the pa?
29:31 <Ballig> why would you bother playing the character if you have no intention on resurrecting him if he dies
30:12 <Avatar> you can buy gear
30:18 <Avatar> or remove diseases/poison
30:36 <Avatar> powering him up while he's alive if you don't want to raise him is fair I think
31:29 <Ballig> why bother playing him if you dont' care enough about him to resurrect
31:31 <Ballig> you're just wasting scenarios
32:03 <tristen> well i saved my pa initially to make sure i got a resurrect
32:16 <tristen> and spent mah monies on stuff
32:17 <Namagem> In 4e I rarely treat death as actual death, usually as getting captured or going to come back later at a dramatically appropriate time
32:22 <Namagem> But that's just me
32:35 <Ballig> you can't do that in organised play
32:40 <Namagem> I know
32:42 <tristen> i've got everything i need other than stacking enchantments on my weaponry and armour
32:55 <Namagem> That's why I don't like organized play :
32:58 <Namagem> d:D
33:04 <Namagem> :D
33:17 <Brunius> You seem a lot like someone we had in here before
33:25 <Brunius> Have you been here before under a different name?
34:05 <Namagem> No
34:16 <Namagem> I just found this place yesterday for the first time, honest
34:19 <Namagem> Through google
34:27 <Ballig> what did you google for
34:39 <Namagem> D&D Irc Channel
34:55 <Ballig> ahh
34:56 <Avatar> Brunius: who
35:35 <Namagem> I prefer for my stories to be cinematic, but still happen organically so the players feel like badasses
35:58 <Namagem> And yeah, you guys are the fourth link for that search
36:18 <Avatar> so you like pathfinder society organised play then
36:24 <Avatar> you should roll up a character
36:57 <Namagem> I'd like to try it because I haven't played PF yet, but I have hesitations
38:08 <Avatar> those hesitations will probably go away quickly
39:37 <Namagem> Well, first off
39:52 <Namagem> Is there any way to make a character without obtaining the books?
39:59 <Avatar> yeah, you can use a pregen
40:13 <Avatar> how come you don't want the books
40:14 <Namagem> By that I mean character creation software
40:15 <tristen> also: http://www.d20pfsrd.com
40:18 <tristen> oh
40:38 <Avatar> not easily
40:48 <Avatar> you'd have an easier time either going with a pregen or making your own from scratch
40:54 <tristen> aren't the books free?
40:58 <tristen> in pdf anyway
41:15 <Avatar> a version of the core rulebook and the PFS guide are
41:15 <Namagem> I'm not against making characters the old fashioned way, but I prefer to have all the math either done for me or be spelled out during creation
41:19 <tristen> yeah
41:27 <Avatar> pregens do that
41:29 <Ballig> use a pregen
41:32 <Namagem> I don't like deriving values from other values
41:48 <Namagem> Which themselves have to be derived from other values
41:54 <Avatar> http://paizo.com/pathfinderSociety/pregeneratedCharacters
42:10 <tristen> or that big fat pdf of 'em...
42:21 <Avatar> yeah
42:30 <Avatar> Ballig: put that up on the site with the other pregen link
42:49 <Namagem> What big fat PDF
42:50 <tristen> http://www.pathfinderdb.com/component/docman/doc_download/7-pathfinder-society-pregens-for-the-pathfinder-rpg
42:55 <tristen> that big fat pdf
43:21 <Avatar> it has a lot more pregens to choose from if you prefer options
43:30 <tristen> actually that link may not work for you, if so: http://www.pathfinderdb.com/character-sheets/48-fan-created-sheets/145-pathfinder-society-pregens-for-the-pathfinder-rpg
43:38 <tristen> there's a link on that page to d/l
43:43 <Namagem> It did, actualy
43:46 <tristen> cool
44:32 <tristen> actually speaking of new characters
44:43 <Namagem> Wait, at least one character for EVERY RACE/CLASS COMBINATION?
44:43 <tristen> avatar i couldn't upload Yagh
44:44 <Namagem> That's
44:49 <Namagem> Kinda much, isn't it?
45:08 <Ballig> not if you say "I feel like playing a halfling cavalier"
45:11 <Ballig> and oh hey, there's a halfling cavalier
45:25 <Namagem> Point
45:27 <Namagem> I like it
45:32 <Namagem> But it seems... Obsessive
45:42 <tristen> yeah and the paizo one is smaller if that one puts you off
45:46 <tristen> 'sup to you
46:17 <tristen> to me it seemed... Good
47:09 <Namagem> It's good
47:10 <Avatar> Namagem: you can use the first link
47:13 <Namagem> I know
47:15 <Avatar> one choice per class
47:22 <Namagem> I'm just griping about nothing
47:25 <Namagem> I do that some times
47:50 <Avatar> can we do that with you sometimes
48:02 <Avatar> I feel like that is a trick I should keep up my sleeve
48:03 <Avatar> for a rainy day
48:26 <tristen> hey avatar how's your aasimar druid coming along?
48:31 <Avatar> done
48:34 <Avatar> !findchar Landruff
48:36 <diebot> Avatar, Character: Landruff, number: 359( http://dnd.ballig.net/viewchar.php5?char=359 )
48:43 <tristen> LANDRUFF?
48:45 <tristen> XD
48:50 <Avatar> poetic isn't it?
48:50 <tristen> a noble name
48:51 <Namagem> Which Diety is closest to a diety of civilization and progress?
48:57 <Brunius> Nethis
49:17 <Avatar> brunius knows his religion
49:25 <Brunius> I'm kidding.
49:28 <tristen> wooo you didn't cliche an 18 on any of your stats?
49:28 <Brunius> Nethis is magic.
49:36 <Namagem> aw
49:46 <Avatar> I had to keep str and dex fairly high as well
49:56 <Namagem> Is there one like that?
50:07 <Avatar> oh wait, that's not up to date
50:44 <Avatar> okay check the link again
51:31 <Brunius> Abadar, probably
51:36 <Brunius> God of cities and merchants
51:42 <Namagem> Alright
52:28 <tristen> ah you did bag an 18
52:31 <Brunius> http://www.pathfinderwiki.com/wiki/Abadar
52:50 <Namagem> Basically, in 4e, my favorite god is Erathis, the goddess of civilization, change, and creation
53:02 <Namagem> I was trying to find the god closest to that
53:21 <Brunius> Abadar is all about civilisation
53:53 <Brunius> Haha
54:03 <Brunius> A teacher tells us off for playing magic in a free period today
54:13 <Brunius> So we walk five paces outside of the school grounds and start playing magic
55:09 <Namagem> Okay, It doesn't tell me what my spells and "Special abilities" do
55:11 <tristen> playing "magic" hey brunius? next thing it'll be crackpipes and stolen dvds...
55:59 <tristen> it's a slippery slope...
56:16 <Brunius> mtg yo
57:01 <Namagem> I found it funny how Magic, while not as overt about it as pokemon, still subtly encourages you to try to collect every card
57:07 <Namagem> Magic the GATHERING
57:22 <tristen> Magic the CRACKENING
57:36 <tristen> "this game is so more-ish"
58:44 <tristen> brunius: if i have to spell it out - i was assuming the attitude of "grown-ups" towards such things
59:33 <Namagem> Hm
00:27 <Namagem> Abadar is less about encouraging growth of civilization, and more of a capitalist god of happiness and money, and happiness through money
00:34 <Namagem> From what I'm reading
01:56 <Namagem> Worshipers tend to be bankers, lawyers and merchants 
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03:40 <Mort-> Urk
03:43 <Namagem> Hey
03:50 <Mort-> You again.
03:55 <Mort-> Got cookies?
04:29 <Namagem> Not today, unfortuntely
04:53 <Mort-> Gnomes stole and ate my last batch of cookies :(
05:26 <Namagem> Gnomes aren't all bad guys, you know
05:53 <Mort-> They stole my cookies :(
06:00 * Mort- cries
06:17 <Namagem> So Iomedae is the paladin god
06:35 <Mort-> So?
06:51 <Namagem> I'm trying to find a diety, so I can make a character
06:58 <Mort-> Any god can be a paladin god?
07:00 <Namagem> or rather choose a pregen
07:03 <Mort-> Just no evil
07:07 <Namagem> By the paladin god
07:13 <Namagem> I mean, truth, justice, etc
07:27 <Mort-> Couldn't be fked to even find a god :d
07:35 <Mort-> Again I'm a caster
07:54 <Mort-> Guess my wizard pays lip service to her god nethys
07:58 <Mort-> ^^
09:27 <Mort-> And my sorc and magus have no god
09:58 <tristen> hey mort what's all this about myti-thingies book?
10:24 <Mort-> His spell book
10:26 <Namagem> Okay
10:29 <Mort-> If i can see him
10:33 <Namagem> I think I've found my pregen
10:34 <Namagem> Avatar
10:36 <Namagem> If I play
10:49 <Mort-> I can copy crap out of his spell book
11:07 <tristen> i was chatting with mekkis earlier
11:32 <Mort-> Sorc and magus are atheist
11:34 <tristen> he wants to get your a*** to 5th
11:51 <tristen> so we can play a GAME OF DEATH
11:53 <tristen> (or something)
11:57 <Mort-> Yeah lets assume i don't get a case of dead next scenario :p
12:00 <tristen> he'll kill us all (sobs)
12:04 <Mort-> But seriously
12:15 <Mort-> My wizard is far from optimized
12:22 <tristen> is this wizard "mort" ?
12:26 <Mort-> Yes
12:32 <tristen> yep
12:33 <Mort-> First character after all
12:54 <Mort-> So get to deal with all my tripping over my tail and stuff
12:57 <tristen> "mort the scrolled-up wizard"
13:05 <tristen> hang on - what tail?
13:08 <Namagem> Okay, Garyth Freewynd, the gnomish cleric of cayen cailean
13:09 <Mort-> Well in part that's the reason why i have
13:11 <Mort-> Oh lol
13:13 <Namagem> What do you think?
13:15 <Mort-> My stump
13:17 <Mort-> Heh
13:30 <Mort-> Sounds fine. What were the stats?
13:34 <Mort-> I think if you want to rp
13:35 <Namagem> cayden
13:42 <Mort-> You create your own character
13:49 <tristen> hey it's only 3pp for a regeneration mort
13:53 <Namagem> It's the pregen of that character in the big pdf of pregens
13:55 <Mort-> Then talk shop
13:58 <Mort-> It won't work
14:06 <Mort-> I had a tail back then
14:27 <Mort-> Ballig loped it off
14:34 <Mort-> Then salted the wound :(
14:36 <tristen> :(
14:40 <Mort-> No regeneration
14:48 <Mort-> I regenerated my first tail
15:04 <Mort-> Forgot to remain incorpreal here
15:19 <Mort-> And got my 2 nd tail chopped off :(
15:36 <Namagem> Sounds like that DM was a bit of a jerk
15:41 <Mort-> I need wish
15:54 <Mort-> I wish my tail was back :d
16:24 <Mort-> So in part. The reason for my scroll variety list
16:32 <Mort-> Is due to my lack of spells
16:50 <Mort-> I would probably have had more spells had i taken the bond and specialized
17:05 <Mort-> But heck its my first character
17:10 <Mort-> Ill play it how i want to
17:35 <Mort-> Besides i never really liked specialization
18:23 <Mort-> I also am thinking on how to fudge rolls up using true strike
18:45 <Mort-> I suspect my magi might be the one happily using that trick more though
18:57 <Namagem> Why does this pregen seem mediocre stat-wise?
19:08 <Mort-> All pregens are
19:16 <Mort-> Its encouragement to do it yourself
19:20 <Namagem> That's stupid
19:21 <Mort-> :d
19:32 <Namagem> They should be encouraging people to start playing the game
19:48 <Mort-> Nah. A lot of gms argue about never letting any stat fall below 10
20:08 <Mort-> Saying it will bite you in the back when you least want it to
20:18 <Mort-> There is some truth in that
20:33 <Namagem> Str 12 (+1), Dex 14 (+2), Con 10 (+0), Int 10 (+0), Wis 16 (+3), Cha 14 (+2)
20:40 <Namagem> Are the stats this cleric has
20:55 <Mort-> But my opinion is that if you don't do that
21:00 <Mort-> Decent enough
21:10 <Mort-> What else would you want
21:15 <Namagem> It just... looks mediocre, that's all
21:29 <Mort-> If you want something with 18
21:46 <Mort-> You probably need to do 3 stat focus
22:05 <Mort-> Like my wizard 18 int 16dex 12 cons
22:12 <Mort-> The rest is all 10
23:00 <Namagem> Okay, can somebody who knows what they're doing
23:11 <Namagem> Explain to me what everything on this sheet means?
23:13 <Namagem> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1TwcpVfIiC9C4j5t8cjc5mbvzoLB-v-7J4TX1zxt_OKY/edit?pli=1
23:17 <Mort-> I might swop str with dex on that build
23:18 <Mort-> But otherwise it looks ok
23:19 <Mort-> One problem with a lot of fighter types
23:23 <Mort-> That includes khaz btw
23:30 <Namagem> Weapon finesse
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23:41 <Namagem> I know that that means dex for str on attacks
23:45 <Namagem> But that's about it
25:19 <Namagem> Wait, clerics need a spell component pouch?
27:01 <Mort-> On cell
27:05 <Mort-> Can't open  it
27:06 <Mort-> Least out the feats
27:06 <Mort-> List
27:06 <Mort-> Ill try help
27:06 <Mort-> Uh yes most spell casters do
27:06 <Mort-> Strangely we have yet to have our spell books stolen
27:06 <Mort-> Or anything happening to our pouches yet
27:19 <Mort-> Anyway should you dump wis
27:25 <Mort-> Like most fighters do
27:31 <Namagem> Clerics aren't fighters
27:37 <Mort-> Your perception is screwed to hell
28:57 <Namagem> Avatar suggested I use a pregen, so
28:58 <Mort-> And you get caught sleeping on watch :p
29:01 <Mort-> Any way
29:02 <Mort-> About clerics they need str wis and cha
29:02 <Mort-> You can dump int
29:02 <Mort-> If you want
29:02 <Mort-> Dex you can still get +
29:05 <Mort-> 1 from heavy armor
29:06 <Namagem> That's what I'm doing
29:09 <Mort-> So go ahead
29:25 <Mort-> It'll work out pretty good id say
29:46 <Mort-> And yes we need more clerics
29:49 <Namagem> I don't particularly care about optimization, I'd just prefer not to be completely terrible
29:55 <Mort-> Na
29:59 <Mort-> Its pretty solid
30:23 <Mort-> The wis and cha are high enough that you can heal and channel fine
30:43 <Mort-> You can even tank some since you have some str
30:55 <Mort-> Though you would fare better with range weapons
31:10 <Mort-> Maybe xbow/sling
31:11 <Namagem> My god's favored weapon is rapier, and I do have a crossbow
31:26 <Mort-> Don't know what gnomes use
31:31 <Mort-> Will do
31:32 <Mort-> Shield?
32:01 <Namagem> No, studded leather though
32:17 <Mort-> Ok once you survive your first mission
32:35 <Namagem> AC 16 isn't too bad, I don't think
32:38 <Mort-> Go get heavier armor
32:44 <Mort-> Its good
32:47 <Mort-> You can tank
32:54 <Mort-> Fk khaz has 17
33:04 <Mort-> And is expected to tank
33:54 <Namagem> My only concern is that I'm a cleric
33:59 <Namagem> Who doesn't have CLW
34:17 <Namagem> I guess I'm more of a buffing cleric
34:17 <Mort-> Actually you can front line with that.
34:18 * Mort- looks foward to having a flanking buddy
34:18 <Mort-> Are you using shield?
34:20 <Namagem> 1st – bless, longstrider, shield of faith
34:20 <Namagem> 0 – detect magic, guidance, resistance
34:39 <Mort-> Don't worry about clw
34:47 <Mort-> Most of us carry wands
35:04 <Mort-> I do not know if this edition
35:31 <Namagem> Honestly, it feels more like a bard, with a rapier and all this. I kinda like that feel, though
35:42 <Mort-> Lets you spontaneously cast a heal spell by using a pre memed level 1 spell
35:47 <Mort-> I don't know
36:17 <Namagem> I do have spont casting, apparantly, not that I know what that means
36:19 <Mort-> Some editions of dnd do
36:19 <Mort-> I think khaz will be out this week end
36:23 <Mort-> Since mort is in the middle of a dungeon crawk
37:03 <Namagem> I wish it explained what all these spells and special abilities and things did
37:34 <Namagem> I like for my character sheet to be the only thing I need to reference
37:42 <Mort-> Means
37:46 <Mort-> Any time you like
38:08 <Mort-> You can replace any of your level 1 spells you have prepared
38:41 <Mort-> With a cure light wounds spell
38:42 <Mort-> Like i was talking about earlier
38:42 <Mort-> Told you you probably could do it
39:37 <Mort-> If you play with any of my characters
39:49 <Mort-> we carry cure light wounds wands
39:58 <Mort-> Just feel free to. Use em when needed
40:08 <Mort-> Mort is the packrat
40:22 <Namagem> Before I play, I want someone to explain to me everything I can do, because right now I am completely confused.
40:22 <Mort-> She tries to pack things for all occasions
40:39 <Mort-> Ok tell me your abilities
40:41 <Mort-> Ill try my best
40:43 <Mort-> One by one
41:11 <Namagem> Not right now, I don't have that much time
41:18 <Namagem> Got to go to school in 20 mins
43:02 <Mort-> Ok
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43:14 <Mort-> Oh yes
44:52 * Mort- bounces around
48:38 <Mort-> K time to read more magus
49:57 * Mort- reads dark tomes of forbidden lore
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57:03 <AndChat|> Sigh
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57:33 <tristen> Namagem: yeah we're good and patient with new players
57:44 <tristen> just ask questions and we're happy to help
57:58 <tristen> and don't worry about whether you know everything before your first game
58:19 <Namagem> It's just, it seems to me that pregens should be designed for new players to be able to have a grasp on what their character can do
58:38 <Namagem> Since new players are primarily the ones who will be using them
58:55 <tristen> i'm new here and i've got four characters - three of which are pregens
59:10 <tristen> the last is my first shot at my own character from the ground up...
59:35 <tristen> but yeah don't worry it's all good
00:00 <tristen> it's normal to have a few characters too
00:13 <tristen> so you can progress one for a bit a
00:17 <tristen> nd then the other
00:23 <tristen> and so forth
02:32 <Namagem> Shouldn't you be playing a character in order to... you know, play as the character, and further that characters personal story, and their effects on the world?
02:48 <Namagem> And not simply to get them up to par with everyone elsE?
03:29 <tristen> yeah - the pregens are just have fairly accurate attributes and skills 
03:38 <tristen> if you really want to
03:47 <tristen> you can modify the pregen
03:55 <tristen> before your first game
03:58 <Namagem> Nah, the stats of the character aren't the problem
04:06 <tristen> the skills?
04:25 <Namagem> It's that the game, or at least organized play, discourages fleshing out of a character's personality and individual character arcs
04:25 <tristen> or just the general identity?
04:41 <tristen> yes i'd agree to a degree
05:06 <tristen> we still have repoire/comraderie between characters that have played scenarios together
05:42 <tristen> and yeah we're locked into someone else's idea of a game world
05:52 <tristen> but hey it's fun
06:18 <tristen> and isn't too taxing on the gm (material wise) or the players (attendance wise)
06:27 <tristen> works well over the web
06:46 <Namagem> The thing is, I haven't had any of those problems playing 4e
07:03 <tristen> yeah i dunno i haven't played anything else
07:04 <Namagem> And I've had characters with their own stories having a tangible effect on the world
07:52 <tristen> does 4e offer more of a "campaign" world to adventure in?
08:26 <tristen> the pfs stuff is short, sharp, scenarios, barely related really
08:38 <tristen> i mean there's the whole pathfinder thing
08:41 <tristen> and factions and stuff
08:51 <Namagem> It's base campaign world is called Points of Light, and basically gives you one region to play in for the beginning, and tells you that there are small kingdoms separated by a vast space, with many abandoned and dead kingdoms between
09:19 <tristen> right
09:34 <Namagem> The region given at the beginning is fleshed out and gives you a really good idea of what the world's like
09:59 <Namagem> It's called the Nentir Vale, and has many different towns and villages, with all sorts of variety
10:37 <tristen> right
10:46 <Namagem> And the base adventures are all in there, but are easy to adapt for your own campaign no matter where it is
11:01 <tristen> yeah i played d&d many years ago
11:13 <tristen> and the dm plugged all these modules together for us really well
11:33 <tristen> it was a full time job for him keeping us players happy...
11:43 <tristen> he was into it though, so it was cool
12:23 <Namagem> It's really not hard
12:49 <Namagem> It's a little bit of work, and the plans you have, of course, can be diverted by the players
13:05 <Namagem> Causing you to rethink how things go
13:13 <Namagem> But that's just the nature of the game
13:19 <tristen> yeah - there's no room for that in pfs
13:29 <tristen> like: there's an alleyway
13:36 <tristen> "we'll go around it"
13:41 <tristen> "you can't go around it"
13:48 <tristen> "ok we'll go through it"
13:49 <tristen> heheh
13:52 <Namagem> I don't like that
13:58 <Namagem> That's railroading plain and simple
14:19 <tristen> yeah, i don't mind it so much
14:26 <tristen> i mean it's not GREAT
14:37 <tristen> but i can accept it in the context of the games we play here
14:40 <Brunius> Duplo tracks are great for railroading
14:46 <tristen> aye!
14:55 <Avatar> there's some railroad, but it's never enough to make you go BLARGH
15:00 <tristen> aye
15:03 <Avatar> you accept it when it happens
15:05 <Brunius> When the players step on them, you just clip them back together
15:26 <Namagem> Except when you don't have the right piece to connect them
15:37 <Brunius> They have a universal connector yo
15:42 <Brunius> I've gotta sleep :S
15:44 <Brunius> cya
15:47 Brunius is now known as Brunius_AFK
15:48 <Namagem> Later Brun
16:22 <Namagem> I really need to run a 4e game for you guys some day
16:51 <tristen> yeah i'm up for it - i'd be interested for sure
17:37 * AndChat| needs to roll a character
17:39 <AndChat|> Lol
17:43 <Namagem> What about you, avatar?
17:47 <Namagem> Would you be up for it?
18:36 <Avatar> maybe
18:42 <Avatar> what was the last 4e campaign we played in
19:52 <Namagem> So at least some people here are familiar with 4e
20:05 <Namagem> So I'm not going to have to teach it from scratch
20:09 <Namagem> Good to know
20:18 <Avatar> it's been years, and we only played one game
20:55 <Namagem> Ah, okay
21:06 <Avatar> fuck I have some good character names
21:28 <Avatar> I forgot that I had a character in shadowrun called Napster
21:54 <Namagem> I'd start talking about some of the established 4e lore, but I really don't have time and your eyes would probably start to glaze over, anyway
22:19 <Namagem> I really love the established lore, though
23:14 <Avatar> here we go: http://dnd.ballig.net/viewchar.php5?char=93
23:15 <Namagem> If you're ever curious and up for a read, look up Dnd 4e Dawn War
23:16 <Avatar> Tumble
23:35 <Avatar> I don't care in the slightest about lore
24:23 <Namagem> I care about it when it's worked cleverly into the plot of a game to make you invested in it
24:38 <Avatar> that sounds good in theory, but i've never seen it done properly
25:34 <Namagem> I've seen it done well a number of times
25:47 <AndChat|> Tristen
25:49 <Avatar> that's because you're into it
25:55 <Avatar> AndChat|: change your nick
26:06 <Namagem> two-three were 4e, and another 3.5, and a couple others were other systems
26:09 AndChat| is now known as mort-
26:46 <mort-> What are tasivs dmg rolls with a bow like
27:15 <tristen> pretty crappy one sec
27:34 <Namagem> And at least one of the 4e ones were unique settings, the 3.5 one was an original setting, and one of the other systems was an original setting
27:37 <mort-> Suspect at 3
27:47 <Namagem> All of which I had no reason starting out to be invested in
27:53 <mort-> Khaz will do something like this in melee
27:57 <Namagem> Skilled DMs are Skilled
28:18 <tristen> mort i has a +1 comp longbow
28:32 <tristen> giving +10 to hit at level 5
28:49 <mort-> How did it come by
28:55 <tristen> but damage is just 1d8+3
29:04 <mort-> Oh
29:06 <tristen> the +10?
29:13 <mort-> One shot per round?
29:18 <mort-> Yeah
29:26 <mort-> I have 2 problems
29:38 <tristen> yeah one per round - i'll walk you through the calc one sec
29:50 <tristen> +5 bab
29:53 <tristen> +4 dex
29:57 <tristen> +1 enchantment
30:04 <mort-> At 3 i can do something like 1d20+3 to hit
30:12 <mort-> 2 times per round
30:15 <mort-> Dmg will be 
30:28 <mort-> 1d6+7
30:32 <tristen> yeah i didn't take rapid shot which was incredibly stupid of me
30:36 <mort-> 2 times
30:40 <mort-> So
30:49 <mort-> Max of 
30:50 <Avatar> on your wizard?
30:56 <mort-> Khaz
31:05 <Avatar> isn't your magus going melee
31:07 <mort-> 2d6+14
31:09 <mort-> Yes
31:16 <Avatar> why would you take rapid shot then
31:18 <Avatar> or point blank shot
31:19 <mort-> I'm calculating dmg
31:27 <mort-> Its tasivs
31:36 <Avatar> I'm so confused
31:39 <mort-> I'm trying to see what full bab classes
31:42 <tristen> oh you want my damage stuff for longsword?
31:46 <mort-> Do on their standard attack
31:47 <mort-> No
31:55 <mort-> Tasiv isn't built to melee
32:05 <tristen> aye he's not
32:10 <tristen> although his ac ain't bad
32:20 <mort-> So your longsword dmg will probably be lower then your bow
32:37 <tristen> 1d8+2
32:41 <tristen> so only just...
32:52 <tristen> +7 to hit with it
32:59 <tristen> so i best stay outta trouble
33:06 <mort-> I calculate 2d6+14 dmg with 1d3+1
33:14 <mort-> Per round at lv 3
33:25 <tristen> that's very good
33:30 <Avatar> here's my scenario notes for the 4e campaign we played:
33:33 <Avatar> Master Lerren (miller) is missing.
33:34 <Avatar> * Master Walker (baliff) enlisted the party to find him for 100gp.
33:34 <Avatar> * Master Such (general store owner) gave us some clues
33:34 <Avatar> ** Rabble abused the shit out of him for no good reason, accusing him of being a traitor.
33:34 <Avatar> * We found our way into Lerren's cellar which guided us into a set of goblin tunnels via a secret entrance.
33:35 <mort-> If i hit on my 2 1d20+3dmg
33:41 <Avatar> Rabble = Ballig
33:51 <mort-> Lol
34:11 <tristen> lol "mort"
34:19 <tristen> (dead i mean)
34:20 <mort-> 1d20+3 rolls
34:25 <mort-> I know
34:31 <mort-> What my name means
34:34 <tristen> aye
34:38 <mort-> :d
34:42 <mort-> Its apt
34:52 <tristen> yes. yes it is.
35:00 <mort-> Hitting will be the problem :d
35:07 <tristen> !throw 1d20+3
35:08 <diebot> tristen, 1d20+3: [1d20=20] 23
35:10 <tristen> LOL
35:31 <mort-> Ac permanently 17 too ^^
35:36 <mort-> So. Fun times
35:44 <tristen> yeah that's a strong character there
35:51 <mort-> 17
35:59 <mort-> It won't go higher haha
36:14 <tristen> you can get other stuff...
36:29 <mort-> I can't use shield.
36:35 <mort-> No medium armor till 7
36:43 <mort-> As such i won't enchanted my armor
36:52 <tristen> no?
37:04 <mort-> Until 7 then ill get mithral full plate
37:15 <mort-> While i take heavy armor proficiency
37:22 <mort-> Lol
37:23 <tristen> wowee
37:31 <tristen> what'll that give you?
37:33 <mort-> Ill jump from light to heavy straight
37:42 <mort-> A lot but from 1-7
37:49 <mort-> I'm a glass cannon
38:03 <mort-> Your ac with tasiv is 23 right?
38:05 <mort-> Or close
38:11 <tristen> no no it's 20
38:20 <tristen> hitomi is around 23
38:21 <mort-> 17 here ^^
38:29 <mort-> Ill carry shield spells
38:37 <mort-> No toughness
38:44 <tristen> i've got about 6500gp
38:52 <mort-> How often have you taken aoos
38:59 <tristen> i think i'll go a +1 on the armour
39:01 <tristen> not often
39:02 <mort-> Not sure if combat reflexes is worth it
39:04 <mort-> :d
39:06 <tristen> i stay outta trouble
39:16 <Thelen> i got 8.5k gold iirc to spend
39:16 <Thelen> lol
39:18 <mort-> Trouble is my middle name
39:28 <mort-> As khaz
39:33 <Avatar> combat reflexes is a top notch feat
39:37 <tristen> i wouldn't mind something giving me extra speed
39:42 <tristen> extra movement
39:46 <mort-> My combat reflexes
39:48 <tristen> actually longstrider is something
39:55 <mort-> Aren't very powerful
40:00 <mort-> If pa isn't on
40:04 <Avatar> why not
40:13 <mort-> Its 1d6+5 dmg
40:14 <Avatar> you can use power attack
40:29 <mort-> If its on its 1d6+7
40:33 <mort-> Nothing too serious
40:52 <mort-> Its jerus you don't want the combat reflexes on
41:05 <tristen> hey don't laugh at me for asking this: but can i pay to have a permancency on longstrider?
41:13 <Avatar> no permanency in PFS
41:22 <tristen> pffft, but yeah understandable
41:25 <mort-> 1d12+9 or some kind of crazy thing
41:27 <mort-> Yeah
47:11 <mort-> The fun part happens when i miss the first round
47:25 <mort-> Then i will be holding the charge...
47:42 <mort-> Then its swing scimitar 2 handed
48:01 <mort-> 1d6+
48:32 <mort-> 1d6+10 for next 2 attack rounds
49:33 <mort-> With 1d20+6 to hit
51:40 <mort-> Oh well ^^
57:15 <mort-> Ah.relax
57:23 <mort-> Going to take a long bath as well
05:25 <Thelen> pics plz
05:40 <tristen> Thelen!
10:14 * mort- looks offended
10:23 <mort-> Sigh i went snackieg
10:29 <mort-> I didn't take a bath yet
10:35 <mort-> Really should get to it
11:18 <Thelen> er i meant of combat reflexes
15:57 <tristen> there's enough pics on the internets
31:18 <tristen> hey avatar you about?
47:28 <Mekkis> I...
47:33 <Mekkis> Didn't kill anyone tonight!@
49:51 <Avatar> tristen: sup
50:22 <Mekkis> 2 sessions off two stars!
50:45 <Mekkis> I should run something next week, if there's a free slot
53:08 <Avatar> I thought you were running BTD 2 because darkwhite was coming in again
53:33 <Mekkis> yeah
53:48 <Mekkis> if I can run something before then, I can get my second star then :)
54:06 <Avatar> during the week
54:12 <Mekkis> possibly
55:25 <Mekkis> maybe Saturday Evening, if there's sufficient interest
57:18 <Avatar> after echoes?
57:51 <Mekkis> yeah
59:13 <Avatar> good luck with that
59:40 <Avatar> echoes will probably run for 6 hours, if you say after that sooooo who's up for a game? I don't think you will get too many people putting their hand up
00:02 <Mekkis> echoes may or may not
00:16 <Avatar> what
00:17 <Mekkis> you might get TPKed in the first encounter
00:28 <Avatar> so you're counting on us dying
00:39 <Mekkis> it can happen
00:54 <Avatar> I dunno mekkis
00:56 <Avatar> I just don't know
01:18 <Mekkis> it was rather close when I played it
02:43 <Mekkis> you don't have the "I turn up to the Pathfinder Lodge drunk" boon, do you?
02:53 <Avatar> nope
03:34 <Avatar> can you put in the scenarios you've played in the PFS section on the site
03:52 <Mekkis> I did
03:55 <Mekkis> it said FAIL
03:58 <Avatar> doesn't look like it
05:25 <tristen> hey
05:28 <tristen> still here?
05:33 <Avatar> yeap
05:39 <tristen> one sec...
05:44 <Mekkis> success this time!
05:58 <Avatar> sweet
06:05 <tristen> http://www.journeyo.com/public/game/bofwimwapakhsbvmqsmzhloqqccfin
06:13 <tristen> man this is heavy
06:16 <Avatar> have you not played first steps 1 or 2 before
06:26 <Mekkis> no
06:31 <tristen> the gm can now string together multiple maps into the one gaming session
06:32 <Mekkis> I haven't
06:34 <Avatar> wow
06:38 <Mekkis> I'd be willing to play first steps 1
06:40 <Mekkis> but not two
06:44 <tristen> are you there? i'll switch maps
06:46 <Avatar> 2 isn't painful
06:52 <Avatar> yeah i'm there
07:01 <tristen> should be the bar now?
07:09 <Avatar> nice
07:13 <Avatar> I don't remember how this worked before
07:17 <tristen> back to the swamp
07:29 <Mekkis> Avatar, you should create a character with a +31 to disable device
07:29 <tristen> i just had the ability to load one map at a time
07:34 <tristen> before
07:42 <Mekkis> at level 1
07:47 <Avatar> I won't be munchkinning
07:53 <Mekkis> so you can open the Paracountess' box
07:54 <Mekkis> !
07:57 <Avatar> it's only funny when you don't do it
09:05 <Mekkis> hmmm
09:12 <Mekkis> maybe I'll run Tide of Morning
11:05 <tristen> how very strange...that page works in ie8 XD
11:48 <tristen> hey did you see the chat dialogues on that page avatar?
11:57 <tristen> there's an in-character chat
11:58 <Avatar> yeah
12:02 <tristen> and an out-of-character chat
12:19 <Mekkis> is there easy logging?
12:33 <tristen> well interesting you ask that
12:38 <tristen> i log it to a db atm
12:41 <tristen> which isn't great
12:46 <Mekkis> yuck
12:48 <tristen> but you can leave the page
12:50 <tristen> and come back to it
12:54 <tristen> and it'll all be there
13:05 <tristen> the "chat" is just for the duration of the game
13:22 <tristen> i'm thinking of letting the gm do a twitter feed with the in-character chat too
13:40 <tristen> so fans can watch what's going on...
13:47 <Mekkis> I tried using an IRC->twitter bot
13:50 <tristen> and maybe even allowing the gm to specify a url
13:58 <tristen> so the chat can get posted to an external site
14:09 <Mekkis> to exploit the "twitter is free on Optus"
14:24 <tristen> yeah you wouldn't want to hold up your main process with shit like that
14:34 <tristen> a background process would be necessary for sure
14:48 <tristen> heheh a "thread"
15:18 <tristen> how is it free on optus?
15:28 <tristen> they don't charge bandwidth to twitter lol?
15:31 <Mekkis> yeah
15:45 <Mekkis> I should write an IPv6 over twitter app
15:46 <Avatar> phone companies usually offer "free facebook" etc on their plans
15:48 <tristen> heheh why don't they do that to imgur i wonder...
15:55 <Avatar> to attract the denizens
16:04 <Mekkis> funny how you mention facebook, Avatar 
16:38 <Mekkis> http://apps.facebook.com/ipoverfb/
16:41 <tristen> what is an ipv6 over twitter app?
16:56 <tristen> what would be*
17:02 <Avatar> what is this
17:20 <Mekkis> http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5514
18:12 <Avatar> give me the short version
18:14 <Avatar> 25 words or less
18:33 <Mekkis> an implementation of IPv6 routing over facebook
18:44 <Avatar> which does what
19:00 <Mekkis> allows you to send IPv6 packets over facebook
19:13 <Mekkis> thus avoiding charges from your ISP
19:41 <mort-> Wow me?
19:45 <Avatar> sounds like something they'd ban you over
20:14 <mort-> Gee
20:25 <mort-> I'm switching connections
20:28 <Avatar> am i misunderstanding
20:31 <mort-> Got a wave tonight
20:37 <tristen> that's really bizarre
20:39 <mort-> Need to get some sleep room
20:42 <mort-> Soon
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20:51 <tristen> my mind refuses to accept it :D
21:13 <Mekkis> some idiots are spamming by pinging ff02::9 
21:14 <Mekkis> :)
21:42 <Avatar> tristen: does this make sense to you
21:56 <tristen> not the ff02::9 bit
22:05 <Avatar> the rest of it
22:15 <tristen> but the sending of packets over fb does a bit i suppose
22:20 <tristen> it's really strange...
22:33 <tristen> but yeah i suppose the delivery method don't matter so much...
22:37 <Avatar> is it dodgy?
22:44 <Mekkis> tristen, you should know that ff02::/32 is multicast
23:00 <Mekkis> sorry, ff00::/8
23:02 <tristen> dodgy? what's not dodgy about the internet?
23:29 <Mekkis> and ff02::9 is "ping all local RIP routers"
23:32 <tristen> mekkis: me? i don't know my arse from my elbow with shit like that!
23:40 <Avatar> well what is it as dodgy as
23:43 <Avatar> and not as dodgy as
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23:52 <Mekkis> it's less dodgy than the rest of facebook
24:05 <Avatar> that sounds biased
24:06 <Mort-> bacckkk
24:17 <Mekkis> but more dodge than UUCP bang-paths
24:28 <Avatar> I have no idea what UUCP bang-paths are
24:47 <tristen> yeah me either...
24:58 <Mort-> wwwwwwwuuuuuh
25:00 <Avatar> I'm not testing this thing if I don't trust it
25:01 <Mort-> what was it about sat games?
25:03 * Mort- ponders
25:08 <Avatar> are you coming to saturday
25:08 <Mort-> whos running what on sat
25:15 <Mekkis> I'm considering running a game on Saturday evening
25:18 <Avatar> check your invites mort
25:31 <Mekkis> Avatar, could you add it please
25:37 <Avatar> for what time
25:47 <Mekkis> say, 7pm AEST
25:59 <Avatar> `op
26:00 ChanOP gives channel operator status to Avatar
26:06 <Mort-> I arleady said yes to first one
26:09 <Mort-> 2nd one I cant say yes or no
26:11 <Mort-> dunno
26:20 Avatar has changed the topic to: PFS: Sat 11am (Brunius, new game) / Sat 7pm (Mekkis, new game) | Sun 11am (Ballig, new game) | CoTE: TBA || All times are AEDT (UTC+11:00) | D&D and Pathfinder Online http://dnd.ballig.net
26:25 <Avatar> the first one was cancelled
26:45 <tristen> Assault on the Kingdom of the Impossible?
26:53 <tristen> is that being silly?
27:05 <Mekkis> it's a scenario
27:17 <Avatar> oh, which one is the 'first one'
27:31 <tristen> cool!
27:40 <Mort-> probably wont be free
27:42 <Avatar> Mekkis: tide of morning?
27:44 <Mort-> on sunday
27:49 <Mekkis> yeah
27:49 <Mort-> and WOW :D
27:53 <Avatar> yeah, the saturday one was cancelled
28:01 <Avatar> there's a new one in its place
28:01 <Mekkis> which Saturday one?
28:07 <Mekkis> yours/?
28:09 <Avatar> the one I was running
28:13 <Mort-> will have ot take breask in bewtween
28:25 <tristen> hey gnight all
28:28 <Avatar> gg
28:30 <Mekkis> 'night
28:56 <Mekkis> I do somewhat want to play First Steps 1
29:16 <Avatar> I want to run first steps with people who've played it before who can power through it
29:50 <Mort-> problem is I have no characters for fs1
30:00 <Mort-> khaz and kendra both have it
30:07 <Avatar> Mekkis: do you have an expected end time for that game?
30:14 <Mort-> the fighter would probably splat khaz on first hit
30:14 <Avatar> normally I do 6 hours
30:16 <Mort-> urm :D
30:17 <Mekkis> 11pm
31:00 <Mekkis> Avatar, you know that if I am playing First Steps 1, I will be roleplaying and asking people questions
31:16 <Avatar> that's fine
31:26 <Mort-> asking what questions
31:28 <Mort-> sigh
31:31 <Mort-> I dont have a character :(
31:37 <Mort-> run another? :D
31:37 <Mort-> lol
31:40 <Mekkis> like when I played First Steps 3
31:46 <Mort-> hrm
31:51 <Mort-> Ballig ran my FS3
31:56 <Mort-> kendra can FS3
32:25 <Mekkis> I asked Lady Morilla "What is actually so appealing about Taldor that would make me want to declare my allegiance with them?"
32:52 <Avatar> "Who are you? Scram."
33:35 <Mekkis> "Well, looks like I won't join your faction then. The failing nation of Taldor must continue to fail, it seems..."
34:02 <Avatar> she goes back into her castle and does luxurious things that faction leaders do that level 1 pathfinders don't
34:14 <Mekkis> great
34:29 * Mekkis tears up the note she had me deliver
34:59 <Mort-> haha
35:05 <Avatar> and you fail your mission
35:14 <Mekkis> so?
35:22 <Avatar> at least you get your exp
35:53 <Avatar> hell, why don't we do more of our missions like this?
35:57 <Avatar> quick levelling
36:23 <Avatar> oh wait, 3 encounters
36:23 <Mekkis> I've noticed that you don't care about anything that doesn't get written on your character sheet
36:25 <Avatar> I guess not
36:36 <Mekkis> ummm chronicle sheet
36:45 <Avatar> what
36:49 <Avatar> do you mean that does get written
37:52 <Mekkis> no
38:15 <Mekkis> I mean you don't care about anything that isn't written on your chronicle sheet at the end of a scenario
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39:25 <Avatar> I don't know what that means
39:46 <Mekkis> if it's not written on your chronicle sheet, you don't care about it
40:08 <Avatar> I know I care about garbage like you betrayed your faction and you may go through a faction shift, when that's not actually what happened
43:12 <Mekkis> should I revise it to be more accurate
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