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01:02 <Avatar> that's not really afk
01:22 <Avatar> that is like saying I'm just gonna go get a drink and then going home
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14:58 <Avatar> wow, some people play games on their ipads at cons
15:00 <Avatar> during games
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59:10 <Brunius> I was considering getting an epad so that I could get cheaper rulebooks, read them on there, and use that as an alternative char sheet
03:16 <Ballig> what's an epad
40:47 <Avatar> I meant they play like video games 
40:53 <Avatar> while pathfinder games are being played, at cons
40:59 <Ballig> sounds like Brunius during our online games
41:06 <Avatar> yeah
41:13 <Avatar> considered extremely rude !
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00:38 <Avatar> that 4 hour nap I had last night was a mistake
00:44 <Avatar> couldnt' sleep
00:47 <Avatar> got 2 hours 
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15:20 <Avatar-> :o)
39:57 <Mekkis> some people use their phones to talk on IRC
40:00 <Mekkis> at cons!
45:33 <Hydrazine_> hi
46:19 <tristen> morning
47:07 <Avatar-> yo
47:18 <tristen> tomorrow is gonna be a ripper i swear
47:33 <tristen> do you have to play the same character you played in part I?
47:58 <Avatar-> the awareness level carries over doesn't it
48:19 <Avatar-> what happens if you play newbie chars
48:54 <tristen> what's "awareness"?
49:17 <tristen> or the awareness level i should say...
49:19 <Avatar-> it's how badly you did in before the dawn 1
49:33 <Avatar-> it's specific to before the dawn
49:37 <tristen> we did pretty bad...but scraped through
49:55 <tristen> ah right i think i remember something on the chron sheet
49:59 <tristen> one sec
50:02 <Hydrazine_> i have no idea whats going on.
50:03 <Avatar-> I heard you did as badly as my group
50:23 <Avatar-> I have a t-shirt that says that
50:31 <tristen> there was a line through The Bad Thing on the chronicle sheet
50:35 <tristen> so we didn't fail
50:54 <tristen> one sec i'll check the sheet...
51:11 <Avatar-> that was the scenario me and mekkis are bitching about
51:41 <Avatar-> he ran some special circumstances in an effort to prevent a tpk
52:01 <tristen> wait and that's a bad thing?
52:11 <Avatar-> involving that penalty, which is meant for a different encounter
52:39 <Avatar-> there was much more to it that was questionable
53:00 <tristen> oh THAT penalty? on the sheet?
53:15 <Avatar-> yeah
53:27 <tristen> 14 awareness btw!
53:37 <tristen> i don't know how bad that is
53:45 <tristen> 14 out of what?
53:45 <Avatar-> I later found out 2 prestige will fix it
54:08 <tristen> oh right - but that vs tpk?
54:10 <Avatar-> mekkis and apparently even darkwhite didn't think that was the case
54:35 <Avatar-> the tactics of the fight were completely different
55:09 <Hydrazine_> this is really funny.
55:10 <Avatar-> the summoner casted a grease spell that cairo couldn't see
55:33 <tristen> ah hence: the invisible grease i've heard so much about!
55:45 <Avatar-> mekkis justified it by saying the wording of the grease spell doesn't specifically say you can see it
55:46 <tristen> well obliquely anyway
56:16 <Avatar-> that was the turning point of the encounter
56:50 <Avatar-> I was stuck on the ground with the eidolon fucking me over no matter what I did
56:51 <tristen> and the invisible grease led to potential tpk/failure?
56:55 <Hydrazine_> you might as well say fireballs are invisible too. or cure/inflict spells.
57:29 <Avatar-> the party felt it was too deadly and the eidolon rolled a critical
57:48 <tristen> gawd
58:09 <Avatar-> it was attack of opportunity central
58:09 <Avatar-> tripped in invisible grease
58:17 <Hydrazine_> I'm of the belief that the dm should roll in secret more often.
59:02 <Avatar-> and then we were offered a surrender at the cost of my character suffering the penalty on the chronicle sheet
59:09 <Avatar-> except
59:20 <tristen> so you must have just walked into the grease AFTER it was cast?
59:28 <Avatar-> that penalty is meant for a different encounter in the book
00:20 <Avatar-> surrender conditions are almost never mentioned in the books, so the gm has to improvise
00:55 <Avatar-> but this encounter actually mentioned a surrender condition
01:59 <Avatar-> I didn't know any of this until months later when I looked at the book, so I just had to east the penalty
02:00 <Avatar-> eat
03:00 <tristen> yes
04:21 <Avatar-> that scenario was the most extreme it got though, I think
05:31 <tristen> man i can't tell you how badly we made a hash of it (i managed to scrape through with 2pa though)
06:07 <Avatar-> what happened in yours
06:08 <tristen> lol and i have to tell you about the andoran failure (darkwhite and mort i think)
06:24 <tristen> in that encounter mort was afk
06:31 <tristen> the eidelon one
06:42 <tristen> so i made her char colour spray 
06:47 <tristen> and it worked!
06:57 <tristen> team 1 eidelon 0
06:59 <tristen> heheh
07:09 <tristen> cleaned up
07:28 <tristen> i shouldn't give too many details in channel
07:35 <Avatar-> our teamwork was lost to shit
07:46 <tristen> ours was shocking too
07:48 <Avatar-> we planned
07:49 <Hydrazine_> does anything in the book specifically say that a person knows when they're affected by a spell or special effect?
08:15 <Avatar-> then nobody followed the plan
08:27 <Avatar-> after they saw the grease and the rolls
08:48 <tristen> wait "after they saw the grease"?
08:52 <Avatar-> nobody really understood what an eidolon was either
09:04 <tristen> i thought the grease was invisible?
09:19 <tristen> or only for you?!
09:20 <Avatar-> after they saw cairo slip on the invisible grease covering the exit
09:39 <Avatar-> everyone knew it was dodgy
10:15 <Avatar-> we made a big deal about "you can see it"not being in the description
10:21 <Avatar-> but couldn't argue it
10:30 <Avatar-> it was rai
10:31 <tristen> so after that encounter you were marched off to "the failure condition"?
10:41 <Avatar-> yeah
10:54 <Avatar-> I followed the plan
11:00 <tristen> they handed you over to you-know-who or something?
11:25 <Avatar-> nobody else came to help me, the part split earlier so my awareness was higher
11:35 <Avatar-> yeah
11:53 <Avatar-> we all surrendered, we didn't know what was coming after that
12:24 <Avatar-> penalties like that on a chronicle are super rare
12:25 <Avatar-> it's unusually harsh
12:30 <tristen> right when i saw the possible outcome on the chronicle sheet i went "fuck me!"
12:57 <tristen> thinking failure just meant you ran away or something
12:59 <Avatar-> and the book was clear about how to handle pc's losing
13:22 <tristen> well fwiw avatar it's a bit of a mixed bag
13:42 <tristen> not sure of how i can commit specifically to how i view the situation
14:56 <tristen> on one hand invisible grease is a bit of a stretch, but also the penalty vs. tpk isn't so bad...
15:20 <tristen> considering the scenario has an unusually punishing failure condition
16:15 <Avatar-> it doesn't
16:27 <Avatar-> another encounter has that harsh condition
16:41 <Avatar-> that encounter has a very reasonable failure condition
17:06 <Hydrazine_> how do you restrain someone?
17:44 <Hydrazine_> reading through grapple rules, i've seen the word restrain atleast twice and have no idea how that actually fits in the rules.
18:06 <Avatar-> rope
18:21 <tristen> avatar: would that simply be the punishment for not getting the "cure"? (not saying more detail)
18:44 <Hydrazine_> then what differences this from the other, clearly states rules about tying someone up/
21:45 <Avatar-> it's a bit complicated
22:00 <Avatar-> the cure ties into increased awareness level
22:10 <Avatar-> not chronicle penalty
22:47 <Avatar-> there is an optional act after that one that resolves high awareness, and if you fail that, then you get the penalty
23:15 <Avatar-> the scenario is pretty fair about it, as written
23:26 <Avatar-> even though it's a fairly challenging scenario
24:37 <tristen> especially when you've got someone on your team who announced in a crowded square: "we're pathfinders and we're here to blahblahblah"
26:16 <tristen> but yes
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45:30 <MekkisScreen> it wasn't invisible crease
45:32 <MekkisScreen> grease
45:37 <MekkisScreen> it was a readied action
50:12 <tristen> hello mekkis!
51:03 <tristen> yeah it wasn't clear to me as to whether the grease was cast under him...
51:09 <tristen> or whether he walked into it...
51:34 <MekkisScreen> the caster was invisible
51:38 <MekkisScreen> not the grease
52:38 <tristen> so the grease was cast under him?
53:02 <tristen> (not trying to do anything but understand a bit more)
54:12 <MekkisScreen> yep
54:51 <tristen> right
55:40 <tristen> and the eidelon went on to crit him
55:47 <tristen> causing the party to surrender
55:55 <MekkisScreen> well... no
56:14 <tristen> heheh
56:28 <MekkisScreen> they went to Senzer's, and heard his spiel
56:36 <MekkisScreen> then they went to the Pit
56:42 <tristen> aye
56:50 <MekkisScreen> and they were there, with no real plan
57:06 <tristen> (as we did!)
57:19 <MekkisScreen> so they spent about half an hour faffing around. The original plan was to get Kaleb to ask for the cure
57:36 <MekkisScreen> (which probably wouldn't have worked, but I was going to let them try)
57:54 <tristen> right - the mission was to get those two thugs off senzers back
57:59 <tristen> and get the cure
58:02 <tristen> one sec...
58:48 <MekkisScreen> but Brunius wasn't saying anything, or w/e (I think he was playing Minecraft)
00:33 <Avatar-> yeah I think he became unstuck about what exactly to do or say
00:45 <Avatar-> so he did and said absolutely nothing
00:53 <MekkisScreen> then Cairo decides to pretend to be SUFFERING the illness, and goes back to Senzer's
01:31 <MekkisScreen> gets seen on the way, and Lura's croonies notice, and prepare for Cairo's return
01:54 <MekkisScreen> when he returns, Lura sends Bellu onto Cairo, the rest of the party are like "He's not with me"
02:10 <MekkisScreen> so it's a 2v1 rather than a 4v2
02:31 <tristen> k soz
03:03 <MekkisScreen> Cairo goes unconscious, and I decide that rather than killing Cairo, she would take him and try to pump him for information: (she's an Aspis Consortium captain, and knows that Cairo's a Pathfinder)
03:33 <tristen> wow ok
03:48 <MekkisScreen> If I knew that it would cause so much controversy, I'd have had Bellu kill Cairo and toss the body in the bay
04:11 <tristen> heheh
04:13 <MekkisScreen> that's what I get for being soft.
04:18 <tristen> heheh
05:16 <tristen> right, well, sorry to drag all this up in public
06:06 <tristen> and i promised myself i wouldn't be judgementatl
06:29 <tristen> so i won't!
06:54 <MekkisScreen> that's fine
07:17 <MekkisScreen> I feel that I should be transparent
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08:55 <tristen> yes, well fwiw, my experiences with dms and players here has been extremely enjoyable
10:19 <tristen> and i've never been displeased with an outcome
10:52 <tristen> which is why this struck such an odd chord with me i suppose
11:22 <tristen> game on i say!
12:03 <tristen> "nothing to see here folks - move on, move on" and all that
12:22 <MekkisScreen> also: another thing: I have no issue with Avatar as a player, or as a DM
13:05 <MekkisScreen> (or anyone else for that matter, (haven't actually played/DMed Spaceshot, but we'll see what happens after that)
13:28 <tristen> yes avatar has made it clear there's no animosity
13:41 <tristen> and you
13:46 <tristen> so no worries
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33:24 <tristen> darkwhite will be pleased to see leis has gone from illiterate to linguistics +9
33:53 <Mort-> linguistics rules
33:56 <Mort-> Ill go get khaz to learn it too
37:35 * Mort- wuffles tristen
37:38 <Mort-> btw...
37:40 <Mort-> in theother world
37:46 <Mort-> I stole someones poiosned cookiesand died :(
38:49 <tristen> no!
39:13 <tristen> who poisons cookies? george w bush maybe
39:43 <Mort-> welll
39:45 <Mort-> some evil guy
39:50 <Mort-> he put lemur killer powder in his cookies
39:56 <Mort-> I tumbled him over, stole and ate them all.
39:57 <Mort-> so I died.
41:19 <MekkisScreen> what languages?
41:37 <tristen> i haven't chosen yet!
41:44 <tristen> i just have +9 is all!
41:44 <MekkisScreen> I assume that you're a Pathfinder, so you'll learn all the dead languages like
42:13 <Mort-> Abyssal
42:15 <Mort-> infernal
42:17 <Mort-> undercomon
42:20 <Mort-> goblin
42:20 <MekkisScreen> Azlanti, Ancient Osirioni, Vuldrani, and such?
42:21 <Mort-> orc..
42:22 <Mort-> :D
42:24 <Mort-> nah I wont hehe
42:34 <Mort-> bbesides mort makes a half past 6 translator
42:39 <Mort-> even if she doesnt kow the language
42:42 <tristen> man i have no idea!
42:47 <Mort-> DRACONIC
42:49 <Mort-> fTW!
42:52 <Mort-> we luv dragons..
42:53 <tristen> what's practical?
42:57 <Mort-> you never know
42:58 <tristen> azlanti ?
43:03 <Mort-> Im sorry like the last scenario
43:07 <Mort-> I wouldnt believe i neded ot speak giantish
43:53 <Mort-> I would like absssal and infernal and celestial
43:54 <Mort-> though
43:58 <Mort-> dunno when I might be commanding outsiders
44:02 <Mort-> but again, thats my wizard for you
44:41 <Mort-> also Id like to speak to dragons JUST IN CASE
44:48 <Mort-> though draogns are pretty smart and speak common Id say
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46:03 <MekkisScreen> you are going to Azlant Ridge !
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46:53 <Mort-> Frankly for rp reasons i might learn elemental languages
47:13 <Mort-> Thing about them is you never know what you would need
47:24 <tristen> mekkis: oh yeah!
47:36 <Mort-> That's why there is a scroll called comprehend languages
47:46 <MekkisScreen> but yeah: as a Pathfinder, old, dead languages are the way to go
47:53 <MekkisScreen> you're always hanging around old ruins
48:01 <Mort-> Lol
48:13 <Mort-> Call for mort the translator!
48:21 <Mort-> I think khaz should learn too
48:39 <Mort-> He will have quite many skill points
48:49 <MekkisScreen> mort, you don't know enough languages!
48:54 <Mort-> Kendra won't learn for rp reasons
49:02 <Mort-> I can't learn any more?
49:08 <tristen> actually mekkis i was asking earlier: we have to play the same chars from part 1?
49:13 <Mort-> I think i maxed out
49:15 <Mort-> Yes
49:29 <tristen> are we still under-cover?
49:36 <tristen> or is taht part over now?
49:36 <Mort-> Why do you think he waited for everyone to be around
49:38 <Mort-> Yes
49:41 <Mort-> We still are
49:42 <MekkisScreen> Maybe!
49:52 <MekkisScreen> how badly did you blow it?
50:03 <Mort-> And i apologise for being a brute with no brains
50:06 <Mort-> Pretty badly
50:07 <tristen> mort you know what'll happen next time we're in a crowded square?
50:19 <Mort-> A hair from getting caught i think
50:27 <MekkisScreen> did Mort- level?
50:31 <Mort-> Ill keep my moutht shut
50:33 <Mort-> No
50:39 <Mort-> Next scenario i level
50:53 <Mort-> I need to refresh stuff though
51:01 <Mort-> 2 scenarios without a buying break
51:04 <tristen> heheh 
51:15 <Mort-> Bag is running low of tricks
51:26 <MekkisScreen> heh
51:28 <Mort-> Hey don't you think ill was fun?
51:50 <Mort-> Forcing that summoner to appear?
52:13 <MekkisScreen> yeah
52:19 <MekkisScreen> I forced her to laugh
52:21 <MekkisScreen> and laugh
52:26 <MekkisScreen> and laugh
52:34 <Mort-> Ah
52:43 <MekkisScreen> lesser rod of metamagic persist is GOOD
52:56 <MekkisScreen> mytiazair might lend you one!
52:58 <Mort-> But casters have good saves
53:02 <Mort-> Lol
53:11 <Mort-> Hard to land
53:14 <MekkisScreen> when we play a session together
53:17 <Mort-> I didn't force her to laugh
53:30 <Mort-> I just forced her to appear
53:59 <MekkisScreen> Common (Taldan), Elven, Draconic, Auran, Dwarven,
54:00 <MekkisScreen> Gnoll, Sylvan, Undercommon, Goblin, Ancient Orisian,
54:00 <MekkisScreen> Orisian, Chiliaxian, Alco, Vuldrani, Infernal, Abyssal, Tien,
54:05 <MekkisScreen> Varisian, Azlanti
54:08 <Mort-> Hideous laughter though
54:14 <Mort-> How you learn so many
54:18 <MekkisScreen> that's what Mytiaziar knows
54:25 <Mort-> I have celestial
54:29 <Mort-> Infernal 
54:33 <Mort-> Ab
54:42 <Mort-> Abyssal
54:51 <MekkisScreen> don't learn sylvan
54:52 <Mort-> Draconic
54:53 <MekkisScreen> oh
54:56 <MekkisScreen> and druidic!
55:04 <Mort-> Why not?
55:12 <Mort-> I wanted to learn
55:17 <Mort-> The elemental languages
55:20 <Mort-> Auran 
55:24 <Mort-> Terran
55:38 <Mort-> I still think celestial
55:40 <Mort-> Infernal
55:48 <Mort-> Abyssal useful
56:08 <Mort-> You never know when you are dealing with outsiders
56:17 <tristen> yes
56:35 <Mort-> I may taint my soul some day
56:42 <tristen> i want to learn all the evil ones
56:48 <Mort-> Summoning a balor
56:53 <Mort-> For the good of all
57:04 <Mort-> Is summoning a demon an evil act?
57:31 <MekkisScreen> yes
57:37 <MekkisScreen> something Deceased does a lot!
57:42 <tristen> unless you're old flappy mouth...
57:43 <MekkisScreen> well... devil, not demon!
57:59 <tristen> yargos
58:53 <tristen> and mort what happens tomorrow when you rendevous with whoever you have to from your faction mission?
59:12 <tristen> will you be paying him 300 gold to take away 1pa again?
59:40 * tristen thinks he should be called old flappy mouth
59:53 <Mort-> Hes a nice guy
59:58 <Mort-> And i won't see him again
00:06 <Mort-> Lol
00:08 <tristen> heheh no i'm really only teasing you
00:55 <Mort-> So if you summon too many devils
01:02 <Mort-> Your out of pfs?
01:42 <Mort-> That's lame. Everyone knows you can't have a party without your favourite devil!
01:56 <Mort-> And he really makes the best toasted marshmallows!
05:18 <Mort-> Ok
05:31 <Mort-> I'm a scawed mort
05:45 <Mort-> Seriously 
05:53 <Mort-> How do you deal with traps
06:13 <Mort-> Anyway i don't envy pfs scenario writers either
06:37 <Mort-> A lot of the parties in pfs aren't balanced
06:38 <MekkisScreen> SEND THE ROGUE IN!
06:51 <MekkisScreen> (then raise the corpse)
07:08 <MekkisScreen> I only know one PFS scenario writer
07:17 <MekkisScreen> his name's Matt Goodall!
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07:42 <Mort-> And he is also known as killer mat :d
10:20 <tristen> leis has 3 languages already and i don't know why
10:24 <tristen> 1 from being hooman
10:39 <tristen> is it an int thing?
10:57 <Mort-> I think so
11:12 <Mort-> I never figured out khaz languages
11:15 <tristen> The number of bonus languages your character knows at the start of the game. These are in addition to any starting racial languages and Common. If you have a penalty, you can still read and speak your racial languages unless your Intelligence is lower than 3.
11:16 <Mort-> Trist
11:21 <tristen> thats int
11:23 <tristen> so +2 
11:26 <tristen> yea?
11:27 <Mort-> What's your
11:39 <Mort-> Leis what's her base attack roll
11:41 <Mort-> At 3
11:43 <tristen> his
11:47 <tristen> his base attack roll
11:48 <Mort-> And her dex
11:50 <Mort-> Sorry565
11:52 <tristen> his dex
11:53 <Mort-> Lol
11:54 <tristen> lol
11:56 <Mort-> His dex
11:59 <tristen> dex is 18
12:06 <tristen> and he has weapon finesse 
12:23 <tristen> he's 4th level
12:34 <tristen> or do you want third?
12:37 <tristen> either way
12:45 <tristen> it's bab3 at third
12:50 <tristen> or 4 at fourth
12:55 <Mort-> Attack
13:08 <Mort-> As in 1d20+?
13:20 <Mort-> You are on permanent twf
13:20 <Mort-> So
13:30 <tristen> single attack or double?
13:36 <Mort-> Double
13:50 tristen is now known as Leis
13:52 <Leis> @attack1
13:53 <diebot> Leis, attack: [1d20=7] 14; damage: [1d6=4] 6
13:54 <Leis> @attack2
13:54 <diebot> Leis, attack: [1d20=16] 21; attack: [1d20=13] 18; damage: [1d6=2] 4; damage: [1d6=6] 7
14:05 <Mort-> You wouldn't make Single attack in a combat round unless you were forced to
14:11 <Leis> yeah
14:22 <Leis> actually that's out of date
14:34 <Leis> !save attack2: 1d20+7 attack1; 1d6+3 damage1; 1d20+6 attack2; 1d6+1 damage2
14:35 <diebot> Leis, 1d20+7 attack1; 1d6+3 damage1; 1d20+6 attack2; 1d6+1 damage2 saved as @attack2
14:36 <Mort-> +7?
14:36 <Mort-> At 3?
14:40 <Leis> 4
14:43 <Leis> he's level 4
14:59 <Leis> he's got -2 on twf (light)
15:01 <Mort-> 7 at 4
15:08 <Leis> +4 from bab
15:11 <Leis> +4 from dex
15:15 <Mort-> So that's already with the penalty?
15:27 <Mort-> Master work?
15:35 <Leis> enchanted
15:37 <Mort-> Enchanted weapons?
15:41 <Leis> aye both
15:42 <Mort-> 4 bab?
15:45 <Leis> yep
15:54 <Mort-> Rogues not medium bab class?
15:59 * Mort- hissep
16:17 * Mort- hisses
16:27 <Leis> wait bab should be 3 not 4
16:30 <Leis> sorry
16:32 <Leis> one sec
16:53 <Mort-> Uh lol
16:54 <Mort-> I thought it was kinda high
16:54 <Mort-> For medium bab
17:04 <Mort-> With spell combat take it like I'm doing twf
17:21 <Mort-> So. Ill get 1d20+5
17:26 <Leis> oh weapon focus
17:28 <Mort-> +4 if i pa
17:29 <Mort-> Ah
17:43 <Leis> there we go i thought i'd made more mistakes...
17:47 <Mort-> I won't get that so.
18:36 <Hydrazine_> whats going on here?
18:39 <Hydrazine_> what'd i miss?
18:40 <Mort-> Fair enough
18:43 <Mort-> 3 bab 4 dex one weapon focus
18:44 <Mort-> Your off hand is +6?
18:44 <Mort-> Why?
19:23 <Leis> because...um...hang on
20:00 <Mort-> Considering how much bab a medium class is supposed to have
20:29 <Hydrazine_> hm.
20:32 <Hydrazine_> Whats the debate?
21:17 <Mort-> The pa again :d
21:18 <Mort-> I'm comparing my attack rolls to someone with twf
21:43 <Hydrazine_> ah.
21:55 <Hydrazine_> but you already have attack rolls like someone with twf. or worse.
22:08 <Hydrazine_> unless I made someone with twf.
22:11 <Hydrazine_> then he'd kick your ass.
22:17 <Mort-> Also khaz will pickup linguistics soon
22:23 <Mort-> So you can feel free to suggest what languages he should learn
22:32 <Hydrazine_> i've played 3 games total.
22:40 <Hydrazine_> like I know what languages are useful.
22:45 <Leis> actually i don't know why it's +6
22:51 <Leis> shouldn't it be +7 as well?
23:03 Leis is now known as tristen
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23:25 <Mort-> Lol
23:29 <tristen> maybe i haven't updated it since i enchanted my second sword?
23:33 <Mort-> I have the rolls
23:38 <Mort-> Of someone on twf
23:56 <Mort-> Actually i have the attack rolls of a rogue
23:58 <Mort-> Somewhat
24:30 <Mort-> I have +4 to attack stat like leis
24:50 <Mort-> So what leis can do. I can do the same
25:11 <tristen> dex 18?
25:19 <tristen> or something else?
25:23 <Hydrazine_> hey Tris, you should note down what weapon you've got focus for.
25:24 <Mort-> I even have my magus arcana to off set pa
25:28 <Mort-> Str 18
25:42 <Mort-> But no weapon focus ya
25:44 <Mort-> That's true
25:58 <Mort-> So it should be -1
26:17 <tristen> yeah i'll upload him again...
26:48 <Hydrazine_> and i think i agree that it should be +7/+7.
27:38 <Mort-> So equally enchanted
27:39 <Mort-> Lets see
28:26 <Mort-> 4 str 3 bab -2 spell combat +1 masterwork
28:26 <Mort-> At 3
28:48 <Mort-> Bleh at 3
29:43 <Mort-> Should be 4 str 2 bab -2 spell combat +1 master work +1 magus arcana
30:11 <Hydrazine_> mort, i still say accuracy > PA, if you consider that you're gonna use spell combat all the time.
30:23 <Mort-> I don't fk up any more
30:31 <Mort-> Then anyone using twf
30:43 <Mort-> As a medium bab class
30:51 <Mort-> +6
31:07 <Mort-> +5 on pa
33:39 <Hydrazine_> hey mort
33:50 <Hydrazine_> you know that big fuss we made over the smoke thing?
33:51 <Mort-> Ya
33:58 <Mort-> Oh yes
33:59 <Hydrazine_> we were being completely 'tarded.
34:05 <Mort-> I wanted to be a ninja
34:05 <Hydrazine_> you target a grid intersection for it.
34:20 <Mort-> You can't choose the spot
34:26 <Mort-> The gm chooses for you :(
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35:05 <Mort-> At least you can choose the square
35:06 <Mort-> But that discussion can wait till i get ca
36:17 <Mort-> I'm thinking the pa also has another aplication
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36:32 <Mort-> What happens if on my first attack round i miss my spell on touch
36:47 <Mort-> I am holding the charge...
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36:58 <Mort-> 2 attacks next round?
37:07 <Mort-> Without spell combat? ^^
37:29 <Mort-> Scimitar 2 handed with pa :p
38:12 <Mort-> Not sure though
38:18 <Mort-> Its a bit vague
38:25 <Mort-> I may not be able to do that
40:07 <Hydrazine_> why not?
42:31 <Mort-> Holding the Charge: If you don't discharge the spell in the round when you cast the spell, you can hold the charge indefinitely. You can continue to make touch attacks round after round. If you touch anything or anyone while holding a charge, even unintentionally, the spell discharges. If you cast another spell, the touch spell dissipates. You can touch one friend as a standard action or up to six friends as a full-round action. Alternatively, you may make 
43:10 <Mort-> You may make a normal unarmed attack
43:27 <Mort-> Or of course your weapon
43:48 <Mort-> If i can double attack with scimitar pa
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44:09 <Mort-> Things could get very interesting
44:22 <Mort-> 1d6+10
48:28 <Hydrazine_> theres some clarification somewhere.
48:35 <Mort-> I'm sure
48:37 <Hydrazine_> that a magus weapon doesn't count as touching something.
48:41 <Mort-> But I'm going to work
48:47 <Mort-> What?
49:08 <Mort-> You mean you can't touch someone with a weapon?
49:09 <Hydrazine_> so you can't touch ANYTHING when you're holding a charge, right?
49:20 <Hydrazine_> or you discharge the spell.
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49:47 <Hydrazine_> theres clarification that your weapon will not force you to discharge. if a magus gets disarmed, you could pick it up without losing charge.
50:03 <Mort-> Magus can touch their weapons
50:08 <Mort-> Perfectly fine
50:44 <Hydrazine_> so why do you think you can't hold it and then 2h swing?
51:49 <Mort-> I won't get my additional attack
51:58 <Mort-> I make only one attack that round
52:03 <Mort-> Not 2 :p
52:16 <Mort-> The casting of the touch spell
53:01 <Hydrazine_> ahhh.
53:03 <Hydrazine_> right
53:11 <Mort-> Is the one
53:22 <Mort-> That gives me my additional attack
57:19 <MekkisScreen> Mort-: problem is that you can't get all he benefits from Power attack
00:59 <MekkisScreen> because you're not two-handing the weapon
06:19 <Mort-> Yeah
10:54 <Mort-> But still. Bab you'll get
10:58 <Mort-> Damage you won't
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17:51 <MekkisScreen> power attack doesn't give you BAB
19:05 <Mort-> You get it from leveling
19:08 <Mort-> Feats
19:16 <Mort-> Like weapon focus
19:26 <Mort-> Whereas damage is fixed
19:46 <Mort-> I don't want to do 1d8+3 lol
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22:52 <Hydrazine_> so what kind of action is it to use manacles?
23:10 <Hydrazine_> i can see them in the equip list, but it doesn't talk about how they get used
28:39 <MekkisScreen> I would say, action during a grapple
29:04 <Hydrazine_> as in part of a grapple action, same as tying someone up?
29:24 <Hydrazine_> or, say, standard action on a helpless target?
29:53 <Hydrazine_> i'm not saying one or the other applies. I'm saying both potential uses in different conditions.
34:16 <MekkisScreen> yeah
34:23 <MekkisScreen> seems about right
39:19 <Hydrazine_> thank you.
48:30 <Mort-> Evil hydra! :d
52:17 <Hydrazine_> ...what?
53:01 <Mort-> Manacles
53:09 <Mort-> You got whips and chains yet?
53:14 <Mort-> Black leather?
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55:43 <Hydrazine_> noneya business.
55:46 <Hydrazine_> hi Tashes.
55:55 <tashes> Hiya Hydra!
56:04 <tashes> Chinae made me want curly fries.
56:08 <tashes> Can we go to melbourne?
56:09 <Hydrazine_> How so?
56:15 <Hydrazine_> Curly fries and tits, you mean?
56:16 <tashes> She mentioned it :p
56:36 <tashes> well yeah..
56:59 <Mort-> Lol
57:06 <Hydrazine_> hey mort, i found something for you earlier. channel up.
57:12 <Mort-> What?
57:15 <Mort-> Is that
57:20 <Hydrazine_> you know where to go.
58:04 <Mort-> Which feat
58:09 <Mort-> I'm at work haha
58:33 tristen is now known as Leis
59:16 <Leis> soz for spam i can't pm diebot atm mekkis
59:24 <Leis> !save attack1: 1d20+9 attack; 1d6+3 damage
59:25 <diebot> Leis, 1d20+9 attack; 1d6+3 damage saved as @attack1
59:25 <Leis> !save attack2: 1d20+7 attack1; 1d6+3 damage1; 1d20+7 attack2; 1d6+1 damage2
59:25 <Leis> !save sneak1: 1d20+11 attack; 1d6+3 damage; 2d6 sneak
59:25 <Leis> !save sneak2: 1d20+9 attack1; 1d6+3 damage1; 2d6 sneak1; 1d20+9 attack2; 1d6+1 damage2; 2d6 sneak2
59:25 <diebot> Leis, 1d20+7 attack1; 1d6+3 damage1; 1d20+7 attack2; 1d6+1 damage2 saved as @attack2
59:25 <diebot> Leis, 1d20+11 attack; 1d6+3 damage; 2d6 sneak saved as @sneak1
59:25 <diebot> Leis, 1d20+9 attack1; 1d6+3 damage1; 2d6 sneak1; 1d20+9 attack2; 1d6+1 damage2; 2d6 sneak2 saved as @sneak2
59:28 <Leis> !save bow: 1d20+7 attack; 1d6+2 damage
59:28 <diebot> Leis, 1d20+7 attack; 1d6+2 damage saved as @bow
59:30 <Leis> !save sneakbow: 1d20+9 attack; 1d6+2 damage; 2d6 sneak
59:31 <diebot> Leis, 1d20+9 attack; 1d6+2 damage; 2d6 sneak saved as @sneakbow
59:33 <Leis> !save cdg1: 1d6+3 damage; 2d6 sneak
59:33 <diebot> Leis, 1d6+3 damage; 2d6 sneak saved as @cdg1
59:35 <Leis> !save cdg2: 1d6+3 damage1; 2d6 sneak1; 1d6+1 damage2; 2d6 sneak2
59:36 <diebot> Leis, 1d6+3 damage1; 2d6 sneak1; 1d6+1 damage2; 2d6 sneak2 saved as @cdg2
59:38 <Leis> !save init: 1d20+4 initiative
59:38 <diebot> Leis, 1d20+4 initiative saved as @init
59:40 <Leis> !save see: 1d20+6 perception
59:41 <diebot> Leis, 1d20+6 perception saved as @see
59:43 <Leis> !save acro: 1d20+10 acrobatics
59:43 <diebot> Leis, 1d20+10 acrobatics saved as @acro
59:45 <Leis> !save climb: 1d20+8 climb
59:46 <diebot> Leis, 1d20+8 climb saved as @climb
59:48 <Leis> !save traps: 1d20+7 find traps
59:48 <diebot> Leis, 1d20+7 find traps saved as @traps
59:50 <Leis> !save disable: 1d20+10 disable device
59:51 <diebot> Leis, 1d20+10 disable device saved as @disable
00:00 <Leis> </spam>
00:03 Leis is now known as tristen
01:33 tristen is now known as Leis
01:37 <Leis> soz a little bit more
01:41 <Leis> !save see: 1d20+7 perception
01:42 <diebot> Leis, 1d20+7 perception saved as @see
01:42 <Leis> !save acro: 1d20+11 acrobatics
01:42 <Leis> !save climb: 1d20+9 climb
01:42 <Leis> !save traps: 1d20+9 find traps
01:42 <Leis> !save disable: 1d20+11 disable device
01:42 <diebot> Leis, 1d20+11 acrobatics saved as @acro
01:42 <diebot> Leis, 1d20+9 climb saved as @climb
01:42 <diebot> Leis, 1d20+9 find traps saved as @traps
01:42 <diebot> Leis, 1d20+11 disable device saved as @disable
01:49 Leis is now known as tristen
02:25 <tristen> is there anything else anyone wants to know about leis? XD
02:41 <Hydrazine_> whats up with that weird birthmark?
02:55 <tristen> you'll never know!
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03:25 <Thelen> XD
03:56 <tristen> !findchar Leis
03:57 <diebot> tristen, Character: Leis, number: 356( http://dnd.ballig.net/viewchar.php5?char=356 )
04:04 <tristen> thar he grows
06:43 <Hydrazine_> you pack all the macros in the sheet huh?
07:08 <tristen> yeah ctrl-c ctrl-v ftw
07:57 <Mort-> Lol
08:03 <Hydrazine_> oh mort
08:03 <Mort-> What he you want
08:16 <Hydrazine_> are you aware of the price of that mithral plate?
08:27 <tristen> cheap as chips?
08:52 <Hydrazine_> pfffft
09:16 <tristen> oh you said mithril - i thought you said aluminium foil
09:45 <tristen> lol or gladwrap
10:44 <MekkisScreen> 10500gp
10:47 <MekkisScreen> right?
11:00 <Hydrazine_> 10650 masterwork.
11:02 <Hydrazine_> yeah.
11:12 <MekkisScreen> mithril includes masterworking!!
11:17 <Hydrazine_> ahhh.
11:22 <Hydrazine_> very well then
11:29 <MekkisScreen> real men go adamantine plate!
12:15 <Hydrazine_> real rich men
13:50 <Hydrazine_> 16.5k..
18:18 <MekkisScreen> there's a reason Itzamna isn't spending his money
20:27 <Mort-> 9k
20:44 <Mort-> What do you suggest if i don't get that
20:57 <Hydrazine_> i'm not saying not to get it.
21:05 <Mort-> It gives a total of 10 ac
21:07 <Hydrazine_> i guess i'm asking if you're gonna have 10 grand in the pocket by then.
21:15 <Mort-> I hope
21:22 <Mort-> And pray
21:27 <Mort-> Else I'm screwed
21:33 <Mort-> A front line guy
21:39 <Mort-> On 17 ac
21:47 <Mort-> Epic :d
24:39 <MekkisScreen> Mithril breastplate is nearly as good
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41:03 <MekkisScreen_> and significantly cheaper
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09:45 <MekkisScreen_> tristen: are you around
10:07 <MekkisScreen_> or anyone else who knows PHP
10:49 <Mort-> Lol
10:54 <Mort-> 6 ac
11:06 <Mort-> Full plate is 9?
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16:45 <Mort-> Argg
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40:02 <tristen> mekkis yeo!
40:08 <tristen> better late than never
41:02 <tristen> ah php i can't help but love it
41:56 <Hydrazine_> who knows what?
42:03 <Hydrazine_> oh.
43:52 <MekkisScreen_> ok
44:26 <MekkisScreen_> what's it called when you fill a datafield with the length followed by the data?
45:48 <tristen> is that bencoding or something?
46:07 <tristen> or is there something php-specific?
46:16 <MekkisScreen_> I've nearly got the extraction perfect
46:22 <MekkisScreen_> not sure
46:29 <MekkisScreen_> I am a noob at php
46:30 <tristen> torrent files use it
46:32 <tristen> it sucks
46:39 <tristen> but still
47:11 <tristen> maybe bencoding is a variant of what you're doing
47:22 <tristen> i'm interested as to how you're specifying the length?
47:31 <MekkisScreen_> any good way of turning it into a hash?
47:34 <tristen> limit of how many digits or something?
48:18 <tristen> hmmm a hash?
48:43 <tristen> what would be the key?
49:18 <MekkisScreen_> the variable name
49:33 <tristen> and where's the variable name?
49:38 <MekkisScreen_> character data is stored that way
49:50 <tristen> paste an example field?
49:56 <MekkisScreen_> varname:length:data
50:03 <tristen> ah so it is delimited
50:15 <MekkisScreen_> when I get back to a PC
50:18 <MekkisScreen_> sort of
50:29 <MekkisScreen_> the delimiters can be in the data though
50:40 <MekkisScreen_> so split doesn't always work
50:52 <tristen> yeah that's ok
51:20 <tristen> i mean there won't be anything to automatically hash it, unless there's something out there for that format already
51:32 <tristen> but it's easy enough i suppose
51:37 <MekkisScreen_> yeah
51:51 <MekkisScreen_> also: I need to change to profiler a bit
52:04 <MekkisScreen_> and it's the php-js stuff I don't understand
52:11 <tristen> just strpos twice
52:27 <tristen> and substr from there
52:29 <tristen> bam
53:10 <tristen> a bit trickier than that cos you'll have to keep the position in the whole string
53:14 <tristen> but you can do that
53:24 <Hydrazine_> serpos?
53:28 <tristen> have the function return an array of maps i'd say
53:33 <tristen> strpos
53:37 <MekkisScreen_> http://nl.ti4200.info/~mekkis/extraction.txt
53:40 <MekkisScreen_> second line
53:43 <tristen> http://php.net/manual/en/function.strpos.php
55:06 <tristen> lol ok the { is a bit of a wobbly!
55:12 <tristen> but still no worries
55:24 <tristen> a i suppose means array
55:34 <tristen> "a" i mean
56:04 <tristen> and "s" is just plain string
56:14 <tristen> but the "s" data is quoted!
56:15 <tristen> lol
57:21 <tristen> i could go on
57:25 <MekkisScreen_> hey
57:28 <tristen> do you want me to just write something?
57:36 <MekkisScreen_> not really
57:44 <tristen> k
57:47 <MekkisScreen_> what about PHP stuff calling javascript stuff?
58:09 <tristen> er, more trouble than what it's worth?
59:24 <tristen> ah yes i remember that lib
59:30 <tristen> i used it a few years ago
59:40 <tristen> pretty hefty download for the client
59:42 <MekkisScreen_> again, this is concerning that profiler
00:09 <MekkisScreen_> what I'm trying to do is add a column for item costs
01:08 <tristen> k
01:10 <tristen> and?
01:33 <tristen> you can have more than one item i suppose?!
02:15 <tristen> if so, put it in there as an array field?
03:26 <tristen> i've got to say the whole typeless thing in php can be appealing sometimes!
04:04 <tristen> is_array :D
04:30 <MekkisScreen_> the way this was coded is horrendous
04:54 <MekkisScreen_>                <tr class="slot">
04:55 <MekkisScreen_>                     <td><input class="name" type="text" <?php getnv('Gear01'); ?> /></td>
04:57 <MekkisScreen_>                     <td><input type="text" <?php getnv('Gear01W'); ?> onchange="CalcWeight()" /></td>
05:00 <MekkisScreen_>                     <td><input type="text" <?php getnv('Gear01Loc'); ?> /></td>
05:03 <MekkisScreen_>                   </tr>
05:08 <MekkisScreen_> and again for Gear02
05:13 <MekkisScreen_> and Gear03
05:18 <MekkisScreen_> up to Gear30
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05:46 <tristen> man web-coding is ALWAYS horrendous
06:16 <MekkisScreen_> and I though it was because it was done by people at High school
06:23 <tristen> you wouldn't believe some of the shit i've seen
06:40 <MekkisScreen_> you wouldn't believe the shit I've seen at work
06:45 <MekkisScreen_> in our production codebase !
06:54 <tristen> stuff that makes you blink in disbelief :)
07:00 <tristen> heheh yeah man
07:15 <MekkisScreen_> TRWTF is VB
07:58 <tristen> yeah, er, unfortunately i've never worked with vb :D
09:21 <tristen> but it's not typically an inherent problem with the languages anyway...i don't think
09:28 <tristen> it's the morons coding it
17:53 <Mort-> I can't code
18:46 <tristen> pffft you _could_ code
19:33 <Hydrazine_> still at work mort?
42:58 <Mort-> Yes
43:09 <Mort-> For next 5h 17 min
43:15 <Mort-> Can chat though
43:22 <Mort-> I am eating lunch atm
45:21 * Mort- waves at hydrazine
45:50 <MekkisScreen_> lucky uou
46:01 <MekkisScreen_> how is it unfortunate to not know VB?
46:37 <Mort-> Lol
49:44 <Brunius> Visual Baisc?
49:50 <Brunius> basic even
53:30 <MekkisScreen> yeah
54:49 <Mort-> Basically why i don't roll a fighter is because i hate feeling helpless against uncanny mobs
55:17 <Mort-> Like what does a fighter do when a nice friendly shadow says hi to him?
55:52 <Mort-> Or the guy he is fighting quaffs an invisibility pot?
56:39 <Mort-> He has to hope his casters in party are up to things
56:48 <Mort-> Like have scroll of glitterdust 
56:56 <Mort-> Or magic weapon
57:13 <tristen> yeah i was being sarcastic (that's why i put in the "er")
57:32 <Mort-> Which i notice a lot of casters don't bring glitterdust
57:37 <Mort-> Sorry
57:43 <Mort-> Magic weapon
58:19 <Mort-> There's nothing so frightening as the fear of the unknown
03:38 <tristen> what about the fear of the fear of the unknown?
04:14 <Mort-> Big fighter tries to hit mob
04:30 <Mort-> Realises he isn't doing any damage
04:48 <Mort-> Doesn't know why. Or what he can do about it
05:43 <Mort-> Caster tries something on mob. Doesn't work. He switches to another elemental school
06:04 <Mort-> Or a spell with no saves. Matter settled
10:39 <Brunius> Mort-: Magic weapons will get the shadow, blind-fight is for that, I think
11:38 <Mort-> Blind fight is quite high level
12:25 <Mort-> Still can't believe hitomi went around without silver weapons
12:38 <Mort-> Anyway khaz won't use cold iron
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24:41 <tristen> hey feedback please avatar: http://www.journeyo.com/d20/feats.csp
25:01 <tristen> i got the shits not being able to see dependencies and stuff that easily
25:22 <tristen> so now for every feat it shows you what depends up on it and what it needs
25:30 <tristen> and you can click and see
25:44 <tristen> it jumps around the place
28:14 <tristen> makes you feel a bit sick actually...
29:56 <MekkisScreen> Brunius: magic weapons damage the shadow
30:02 <MekkisScreen> sure, it's only 50% dmage
30:06 <MekkisScreen> but it's enough
30:30 <MekkisScreen> Brunius: if I buy you a 5-9, will you run it for us?
30:34 <Brunius> Isn't that what I said?
30:36 <Brunius> Maybe
30:44 <MekkisScreen> more info..?
32:27 <Brunius> Run a TPK scenario with a slot for level 6, and I'll see
35:05 <Brunius> Gotta go, they're replacing our electricity meter and I don't have a UPS
35:17 <Brunius> Probably get back in 10-20 minutes
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48:23 * Mort- feels tired and takes a nap
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01:02 <Mort-> Hi hydrazine
01:14 <Mort-> I feel sleepm
01:15 <Hydrazine> sup lemur?
02:17 <Mort-> I feel sleepy
02:34 <Mort-> What did you want me to look at
04:56 <Hydrazine> theres a feat, to have a familiar take a summoner eidolon evolution.
05:03 <Hydrazine> such as, the +8 to skill one.
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07:33 <Mort-> Lol
07:40 <Mort-> Umd?:p
07:52 <Hydrazine> if you wish.
08:03 <Hydrazine> Just thought you might be interested.
10:35 <Mort-> What is it
10:42 * Mort- likes familiars
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14:57 <Brunius> Looks like I've played both scenarios that they're running at Blackburn over the weekend :S
16:02 <tristen> just wear a false mustache or something
16:41 <Brunius> no.
18:04 <Hydrazine> lol.
18:17 <Hydrazine> doesn't work if you can't really get a mustache in the first place.
18:32 <Brunius> dude
18:34 <Brunius> I have a mo
19:13 <Hydrazine> but is it a solid 'mo or one of them 'i'm still a kid' ones?
19:25 <Brunius> Who knows?
19:31 <Brunius> People keep telling me I should shave it
23:03 <Hydrazine> probably should.
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24:58 <Brunius> Hey Yeagel
25:51 <Mort-> I'm a sleepy one
25:57 * Mort- yawns
26:31 <Hydrazine> we know, mort.
26:33 <Hydrazine> work work work.
28:10 <yeagel> mornin'
30:56 <Hydrazine> howdy.
31:02 <Hydrazine> I don't think I seen you round these parts.
32:56 <MekkisScreen> Brunius: your actions have already almost TPKed
33:01 <MekkisScreen> what more do you want?
33:09 <Brunius> To kill off Kaleb tbh
36:51 <Namagem> Hey, can anyone here potentially help me find something?
37:23 <Namagem> It's an Indie tabletop RPG I've heard of but can't remember any good identifying characteristics of, except a few
37:33 <Namagem> Here's all I could remember:
37:33 <Namagem> http://www.reddit.com/r/rpg/comments/q2hhn/need_help_finding_pen_and_paper_rpg_inspired_by/
37:40 <yeagel> i'm a new guy
37:57 <yeagel> reading up as we speak
38:13 <Namagem> No worries, I don't even play PF
39:49 <yeagel> coo
41:19 <Hydrazine> well.
41:28 <Hydrazine> Most of the time theres atleast someone here who can answer questions.
41:45 <Hydrazine> So please, feel free.
41:59 <yeagel> cool
42:18 <MekkisScreen> Brunius: just take a few levels of summoner!
43:51 <Brunius> Book?
43:57 <Hydrazine> hmmm.
44:04 <Hydrazine> I have no idea what that is, Nama.
44:20 <Hydrazine> Sorry.
44:43 <yeagel> okay
44:43 <yeagel> um
44:50 <yeagel> character creation
45:06 <yeagel> do you make one during the game, or have one pre-made for the session
45:17 <yeagel> since you decide stats by rolling, right?
45:18 <Brunius> pre-made
45:28 <Brunius> For most campaigns rolling is done
45:34 <Brunius> But in here we usually use a point buy system
45:40 <yeagel> then how do you know if the stats are legit?
45:59 <yeagel> if you know what i mean
46:11 <yeagel> is that even an issue?
46:52 <Hydrazine> point buy system. we can count them.
47:03 <Brunius> We usually trust our players
47:26 <Brunius> And since most of us are logged on the whole time, if they use something like !vchargen we can look up the logs
54:48 <tristen> namagem: dunno if this helps: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_role-playing_games_by_name
57:41 <Namagem> No luck, unfortunately
57:44 <Namagem> Thanks, though
57:55 <yeagel> okay
58:17 <tristen> no worries
59:00 <tristen> yeagel: http://www.d20pfsrd.com
59:15 <tristen> http://www.d20pfsrd.com/basics-ability-scores/ability-scores
59:34 <tristen> we go with "high fantasy" gives you 20 points to distribute...
00:07 <Hydrazine> you don't roll HP or base stats.
00:29 <Hydrazine> Or gold. So there isn't really much someone even could cheat at that couldn't be checked.
03:03 <Hydrazine> Does that answer your question, yeagel?
09:39 <Mort-> No gnomes!
09:54 <Mort-> Down with the gnomes!
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12:44 <Hydrazine> note that racial bonuses come in after the point buy.
13:11 <Mort-> Yeah down with the gnomes!
13:25 <Brunius> Halflings are better
13:36 <Brunius> Mekkis / MekkisScreen / MekkisScreen_
14:09 <Hydrazine> Brunius, Brunius Brunius 
14:26 <Brunius> Mekkis likes Gnomes
14:30 <Brunius> Half his characters are gnomes
18:52 <Brunius> They're running Darkest Vengeance at Blackburn over the weekend
19:14 <Brunius> Spaceshot's gonna be there with a level 1 character
19:16 <Brunius> This will be fun
21:31 <Hydrazine> go troll him.
21:36 <Hydrazine> talk shit. heckle.
37:05 <MekkisScreen_> cool!
37:21 <MekkisScreen_> I hope he uptiers!
37:43 <MekkisScreen_> but yeah, play a gnome
38:25 <MekkisScreen_> Brunius: since you don't like Kaleb, what are you saying about Halflings?
38:50 <MekkisScreen_> they can't even die properly!
01:24 <tristen> who here has a character capable of stunning and does it happen often?
01:35 <Brunius> Doesn't colour spray stun
01:47 <tristen> hmmm
01:58 <Brunius> ??stunned
02:46 <tristen> yes it does
03:12 <tristen> no saving throw?
03:16 <tristen> they just are
03:24 <tristen> or unconcious at worst?
03:53 <tristen> ah stunned, blinded, unconcious
03:56 <Mekkis> colour spray has a save
05:12 <tristen> see the reason i ask
05:30 <tristen> leis sort of chose a feat earlier today
05:33 <tristen> "step up"
05:37 <tristen> but i'm not convinced
05:48 <Brunius> That's the 5ft whenever they 5ft away isn't it?
05:50 <Brunius> !feat Step Up
05:51 <diebot> Brunius, Take a 5-foot step as an immediate action
05:52 <tristen> yeah
06:22 <tristen> was looking at dastardly finish :)
06:38 <tristen> but it might be a bit limited...
07:16 <Hydrazine> whats that?
07:28 <tristen> coup de grace against anyone stunned
07:31 <Hydrazine> ah.
07:35 <Hydrazine> talk to your local monk.
07:40 <tristen> heheh
08:08 <tristen> oh wait it needs pre-req of heaps
08:11 <tristen> 5d6 sneak
08:21 <tristen> heheh i'll have time to think on that one
08:24 <Brunius> ow
08:36 <Hydrazine> monks are your most likely source of stuns i think.
14:21 <Mekkis> but Brunius 
14:34 <Mekkis> why do you like halflings, if you don't like Kaleb?
22:39 <tristen> because they can be shot from cannons
36:03 <Hydrazine> night guys.
39:30 <tristen> cya
39:37 <tristen> hey are you playing tomorrow?
39:57 <Hydrazine> who?
42:14 <tristen> you!
42:31 <Hydrazine> maybe. not 100% sure yet.
43:05 <Hydrazine> i should be playing atleast one game this weekend.
43:16 <tristen> cool!
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53:42 <Brunius> Mekkis, I'm not sure where I went wrong with Kaleb.
53:47 <Brunius> Care to point it out?
53:59 <Brunius> Am I relying too heavily on sneak for damage?
19:04 <Ballig> how do you get your damage
20:34 <tristen> !findchar Kaleb
20:36 <diebot> tristen, Character: Kaleb, number: 229( http://dnd.ballig.net/viewchar.php5?char=229 )
21:46 <tristen> all i can see is he doesn't have strength...
21:59 <Ballig> he won't be getting his damage from strength, it'll be from sneak attacks
22:07 <tristen> exactly!
22:32 <Ballig> but he's level five and doesn't have magic weapons
22:46 <tristen> true - both of 'em should be +1
23:06 <tristen> chuck in a belt of whoop-arse
23:13 <tristen> he'll be back on track
23:24 <Ballig> he has weapon finesse
23:30 <Ballig> he'll want something to raise dexterity, not strength
23:42 <Ballig> the dexterity item + weapon focus would both help
23:45 <tristen> it's still str for damage though...
23:52 <Ballig> he's not relying on his regular hits
23:56 <Ballig> he's relying on sneak attack damage
24:06 <tristen> wasn't that his complaint?
24:08 <Ballig> he needs to maximise how often he gets a successful sneak attack
24:15 <Ballig> he doesn't feel the character has good damage output
25:19 <tristen> yep fair enough
32:22 <Brunius> That isn't the latest char sheet on there
33:29 <Avatar-> my phone is totally going flat
33:53 <Brunius> totally
36:13 <Avatar-> and utterly
36:20 <Mekkis> Brunius, the cynic in me would say that you went wrong when you chose your class, but really, that's not fair on you.
36:42 <Brunius> I'm not making a rogue again
36:44 <Brunius> That's for sure
37:33 <Ballig> I would say you threw away your first feat
38:00 <Mekkis> have you hit 6th yet?
38:02 <Brunius> Who doesn't need +4 to stealth
38:06 <Brunius> I think I have, Mekkis
38:23 <Brunius> Yeah, I hit it from SoI:III
38:31 <Mekkis> take your next level in synthesist
39:13 <Brunius> Book?
39:30 <Mekkis> Ultimate Magic
39:34 <Mekkis> + APG
39:38 <Brunius> Not gonna happen
39:47 <Brunius> That's like $90 for dead tree form
39:53 <Mekkis> true
40:09 <Mekkis> but after the Core Rules, they're the two books that I'd recommend anyone to get
40:18 <Brunius> So I'll be able to get it in...
40:31 <Brunius> July
40:36 <Mekkis> that reminds me
40:38 <Brunius> Assuming I don't get me a job before then
40:50 <Mekkis> Mekkis' Internet Invocations is doing well this year
41:01 <Mekkis> it might be able to employ you for two hours!
41:12 <Brunius> To do what?
41:17 <Mekkis> I dunno
41:23 <Mekkis> something internet-related
41:29 <Mekkis> maybe run a session
41:30 <Mekkis> :S
41:34 <Brunius> Ha
41:45 <Brunius> Maybe I should stress test your servers.
41:53 <Mekkis> nah
41:56 <Mekkis> I get that for free
42:24 <Mekkis> but hey, you get a payslip and a reference
42:26 <Mekkis> that's good isn't it?
42:47 <Brunius> So I've heard
50:17 <Mekkis> tristen, I have a little issue
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50:36 <Brunius> Is MII actually a registered company
50:41 <Mekkis> yeah
51:43 <Mekkis> do you want to buy shares?
51:50 <Brunius> Sure, why not
52:04 <Brunius> How many shares will $10 buy me
52:12 <Mekkis> how many do you want?
52:13 <Mekkis> I guarantee you that there will be NO RETURN!
52:31 <Brunius> What's the deal with this liability-wise
55:12 <Mekkis> not much
55:23 <Mekkis> if you buy shares, you're throwing your money away
55:33 <Mekkis> ^ Top financial advice!
55:55 <Mekkis> at least if you buy them from me
56:03 <Mekkis> but I will get Your money!
56:47 <Brunius> Not according to my business tech teacher!
57:15 <Mekkis> what does (s)he say?
57:21 <Brunius> Who do I trust more, Mekkis or my teacher
57:57 <Avatar-> haha
58:42 <Mekkis> what does (s)he say?
59:46 <Brunius> hell man, I don't remember
00:03 <Brunius> It didn't seem very effective, as the graph she showed us showed quite a lot of drops
00:34 <Mekkis> Brunius, here's a tip for you
01:15 <Mekkis> buying shares in a company with a staff of 1 (not full time), an annual profit of about $30, and a turnaround of about $90 is NOT a good idea.
01:27 <Brunius> I know that
03:30 <Mekkis> that's a pro tip
05:07 <tristen> whassup mekkis?
06:44 <Mekkis> how do I tell a webserver to refresh the javascript files?
08:00 <tristen> ah!
08:13 <tristen> it's an interesting question that
08:21 <tristen> the ruin of many a man :D
08:26 <tristen> not really
08:49 <tristen> there's particular headers that need attention
09:11 <tristen> and, if you're serving them from static files (.js for eg)
09:13 <Mekkis> mmm?
09:19 <Mekkis> I am...
09:25 <tristen> then you've got some shit to do in .conf files i think...
09:28 <tristen> one sec
10:13 <Mekkis> at least, I think it's static...?
10:23 <Mekkis> http://nl.ti4200.info/profiler/v3/gear.js
10:30 <Mekkis> is not the up-to-date version
11:23 <tristen> no but if you press ctrl-f5 it'll update...
11:28 <tristen> it's not the real solution though
11:37 <Mekkis> huh?
11:37 <tristen> there's something you can do with headers
11:54 <tristen> your browser caches stuff
12:02 <tristen> ctrl f5 forces it to ignore the cache
12:06 <tristen> try it?
12:11 <Mekkis> oh
12:14 <Mekkis> wtf
12:27 <tristen> its The Way Of Things
12:31 <Brunius> http://chzmemebase.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/internet-memes-computers.png
12:35 <Brunius> My IT class
13:05 <Mekkis> yuck 
13:06 <Mekkis> ASP
13:13 <tristen> yuck
13:15 <tristen> ASP
13:46 <tristen> so that's why you should really use google for static .js stuff
13:55 <Mekkis> why?
13:59 <tristen> and serve your own js from .php if you can help it
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14:16 <Avatar> made it home with the mobile still alive
14:21 <Avatar> way to go android way to go
14:51 <tristen> i think because they make sure clients get the latest version or something...not 100% sure until i read up about it again...gimme 5 or so
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15:11 <Brunius> It'd be a disaster if you lost your phone!
15:31 <Brunius> You wouldn't be able to communicate your thoughts to us immediately
17:36 <Avatar> ye
18:03 <tristen> was he going to say "yeti"?
18:52 <Mekkis> I have to get up really early tomorrow
19:00 <tristen> 121 seconds until avatar times out
19:47 <Brunius> How early Mekkis
19:59 <Mekkis> like 6:40 my time
20:05 <Brunius> Onoz!
20:08 <Brunius> 6:40!
20:26 <tristen> mekkis i know this is php, but: http://php.net/manual/en/function.header.php
20:28 <tristen> go there
20:34 <tristen> and look at example 2
20:51 <tristen> those headers prevent the browser from caching...
20:59 <Avatar> I'm not timing out
21:01 <Mekkis> ah
21:03 <Avatar> I'm on my computer yo
21:26 <tristen> oh i thought you started to type something beginning with "ye" and went flat...
21:40 <tristen> although i suppose you'd have to press enter first...
21:45 <Mort-> Back to more dnd
21:52 <tristen> woot!
22:10 <tristen> so mekkis it's a twofold problem
22:20 <tristen> the server tells the browser how to handle the url
22:25 <tristen> from a caching perspective
22:42 <tristen> and then the browser may (or may not) choose to listen to the advice!
23:03 <Mekkis> heh
23:17 <tristen> i think generally they're pretty well behaved
23:21 <Mekkis> http://nl.ti4200.info/profiler/view.php?id=4
23:42 <tristen> but i remember once the creatives posted static content somewhere, bypassing the php controls
23:46 <tristen> for a corporate client
23:54 <tristen> and the corporate client had cahcing software
23:57 <Mekkis> issue there is the Other Possessions area has crappy spacing
24:03 <tristen> and said they couldn't see it
24:04 <Mekkis> tristen, I use squid...
24:27 <tristen> yeah its a config thing - the corporation ignored subsequent changes to the cache
24:29 <Avatar> apparently I've been trying too hard to fill in my centrelink form to say I've applied for 10 jobs
24:38 <Avatar> there were people there who apparently just right seek on all ten lines 
24:41 <Avatar> and nothing else
24:44 <tristen> and it would take them like a freaking week to process the requested exception!
24:45 <Avatar> write*
25:06 <tristen> anyhoo
25:21 <tristen> static stuff is cached unless you config apache to not cache it
25:34 <tristen> http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/mod/mod_cache.html#cachedisable
26:00 <tristen> i think it's not uncommon to config apache to not cache a directory /js for example
26:07 <Mekkis> how can I fix the spacing in the table?
26:57 <tristen> try cellspacing="5" or something
27:01 <tristen> don't use a style
27:14 <tristen> table styles aren't really widely supported
27:50 <tristen> or use jquery for some mad onload manipulation :)
28:37 <Mekkis> did I tell you I was having an issue with the logins
28:48 <Mekkis> where it would never keep me logged in?
28:54 <tristen> although you could use a style for td "padding: 5px;"
29:00 <tristen> session problems?
29:09 <Mekkis> sort 
29:10 <Mekkis> of
29:34 <tristen> sometimes caching can cause session problems...
29:37 <Mekkis> it was really because the guy who wrote this was storing IP addresses in a varchar(15)
29:45 <tristen> heheh
30:02 <Mekkis> my IP address is about 35 characters long, so it was truncating
31:28 <tristen> so mekkis if you're clowning around with apache config and caching
31:37 <Mekkis> not yet
31:50 <tristen> try and put "static" js in a different folder than the js you regularly change...
31:53 <Mekkis> trying to decide if Apache is overkill
32:13 <tristen> leave caching as normal on static js
32:14 <Mekkis> pretty sure it is
32:23 <tristen> and switch it off for non-static
32:37 <tristen> yep
32:45 <tristen> ok i gotta splitski now
33:05 <tristen> so i'll see you tomorrow for (deep voice) PART 2
33:35 <Mekkis> quick question
33:42 <Mekkis> will your character be turning up DRUNK?
41:59 <Mort-> Lol
42:12 <Brunius> tomorrow is btd2?
42:26 <Mekkis> yeah
42:33 <Mekkis> does Kaleb want to come?
42:41 <Brunius> Yeah
42:45 <Mekkis> hmmm
42:46 <Brunius> And I'll play minecraft again
42:51 <Brunius> It'll be just like the old days!
43:00 <Mekkis> you'll pull APL up
43:11 <Mekkis> so they'll be uptiering, most likely
43:18 <Brunius> Yeah, guys!
43:20 <Brunius> Take that!
43:24 <Mekkis> your awareness is atrocious, so the consortium will know you're there
43:35 <Mekkis> are you TRYING to grief Darkwhite?
43:37 <Brunius> I think i got 15 awareness point?
43:43 <Brunius> Nope
43:51 <Mekkis> Mort?
44:02 <Brunius> I'm not trying to greif anyone
44:06 <Mekkis> ah
44:20 <Brunius> I'm gonna finish off the storylines Kaleb has got in motion, and then I'll sit down and think about Kaleb's future
44:29 <Brunius> I think BTD is the last one I have to finish
44:42 <Mekkis> has Kaleb levelled?
44:46 <Mekkis> his sheet online is level 5
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45:13 <Mekkis> synthesist quadruped
45:17 <Mekkis> arms evolution
45:19 <Mekkis> and pounce
45:36 <Mekkis> you get a full attack at the end of a charge
45:40 <Mekkis> so lots of sneak attack
45:51 <Mekkis> three attacks per round
45:51 <Brunius> Yeah gotta update it before tomorrow
46:02 <Mekkis> so lots of sneak attack from that angle too!
46:13 <Mekkis> +2 to all your saves, which isn't bad
46:26 <Mekkis> make it small, so you get decent dex too
46:36 <Mekkis> and you don't lose your AC bonus
46:58 <Mekkis> then if you level in synthesist, you can take skilled (stealth) to get massive stealth bonuses
47:34 <Mort-> Ill be around tomorrow
47:50 <Mekkis> good
47:55 <Mekkis> we're playing BTD2
48:01 <Mort-> Don't worry I'm reliable
48:09 <Mort-> But tonight its fix inventory
48:12 <Mort-> Lol
48:13 <Mekkis> I'll probably be DMing from the Botanic Gardens
48:22 <Mort-> Lol?
48:37 <Mort-> I need to fix mort and khaz
48:42 <Mekkis> I've done it before
48:52 <Mort-> I'm guessing Sundays game is a low level one
49:03 <Mort-> Which means ill need to fix khaz
49:31 <Avatar> why will sunday's be low level
49:47 <Mort-> An ill bake muffins on sat night
49:54 <Mort-> Hydras playing
49:59 <Avatar> ah
50:20 <Mekkis> because Ballig's trying to run stuff he's played before
50:27 <Mort-> So probably we will all end up as lv 1s
50:43 <Mort-> I hope we get a cleric around
50:43 <Mekkis> which necessarily means that it'll be low level
50:48 <Mort-> Lol
51:09 <Ballig> how about because we have like two people with characters above level 5
51:14 <Mort-> If not better pack more infernal healing scrolls
51:15 <Ballig> so yes, it will necessarily be a level 1-5 scenario
51:30 <Mort-> Which is like wtf?
51:37 <Mort-> I'm using infernal healing?
51:40 <Mekkis> Ballig, what? Avatar, Ballig, Brunius, Mekkis, Thelen, tristen all have characters >=5
51:45 <Mekkis> Mort-, you can't
51:45 <Mort-> Wizard heal? ><
51:51 <Brunius> Ignore mine
51:52 <Mort-> Why not
51:53 <Mekkis> you don't worship the right god
51:53 <Brunius> It's Kaleb
52:03 <Mort-> Do you need
52:08 <Mekkis> yes
52:13 <Mort-> To worship any god?
52:14 <Avatar> Ballig: she means probably not 4-5
52:18 <Mort-> Where in the spell
52:21 <Brunius> http://www.georgehart.com/sculpture/pencils.html
52:22 <Mort-> Did ill say
52:23 <Ballig> Avatar: I realise that, but Mekkis didn't
52:26 <Mekkis> Gods and Magic
52:27 <Avatar> oh
52:31 <Avatar> Mekkis: she means probably 4-5
52:33 <Mort-> Uh
52:56 <Mekkis> possibly some other sources now
53:14 <Ballig> I have no idea what level thelens characters are because he's ditched us
53:20 <Mekkis> Gods and Magic specifically says that you can only cast it if you worship Asmodeus
53:23 <Mekkis> he has?
53:29 <Ballig> have you seen him here in the last three weeks?
53:30 <Brunius> Thelens is 6 I think
53:36 <Ballig> and Tasiv is level 5
53:37 <Ballig> on the website at least
53:40 <Brunius> He's been in here, but not active
53:51 <Brunius> Hitomi is 6 I believe
53:54 <Avatar> yeah where is thelen
53:59 <Brunius> THELEN
54:02 <Avatar> thelen wake up
54:09 <Avatar> come on thelen
54:16 <Brunius> ??sleep
54:19 <Brunius> ??asleep
54:22 <Avatar> not at 10pm
54:22 <Ballig> so that leaves 4, one of them me, so that's 3, one of them Kaleb that Brunius doesn't want to play, so that's 2, one of them you and you've played pretty much everything, so that's 1
54:26 <Avatar> on a friday night !
54:31 <Ballig> don't think it's really that efficient for me to be running a level >5 scenario
54:42 <Mort-> www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/base-classes/summoner
54:53 <Mekkis> Ballig, I've only played one 5-9 scenario
54:58 <Mort-> Where does it say
55:10 <Mekkis> so the "pretty much everything" only applies to low-level
55:11 <Mort-> I need to worship a particular god
55:30 <Mort-> Oh dear
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55:48 <Mort-> Clearly i don't have the book ^^
55:59 <Brunius> You should get it
56:04 <Brunius> I've gotta go sleep guys
56:09 <Brunius> Nose is running like a tap
56:13 <Mort-> Night
56:19 <Mekkis> 'night
56:45 <Mort-> Gee
56:55 <Mort-> They should have posted it online then
57:01 <Mekkis> so it leaves three
57:04 <Mort-> But khaz has no god anyway
57:07 <Mekkis> four if you include Thelan
57:41 <Mort-> Wait a bit
58:01 <Mort-> Didn't it say from inner sea world guide?
59:05 <Mekkis> oh
59:08 <Mekkis> it's in that too
59:10 <Mekkis> cool
59:14 <Mekkis> 1 less book to carry!
00:45 <Mekkis> ok
00:48 <Mekkis> ooh
00:51 <Mekkis> they've changed it
00:56 <Mekkis> don't worry Mort- 
01:06 <Mort-> Oh
01:07 <Mekkis> now your deity isn't what's preventing you from casting it
01:12 <Mekkis> your alignment is
01:18 <Mort-> Neutral
01:28 <Mekkis> NG is what your sheet says
01:37 <Mort-> Khaz
01:42 <Mekkis> oh
01:42 <Mort-> Mort won't
01:51 <Mort-> Khaz will.
01:54 <Mort-> He is neutral
01:58 <Mekkis> I haven't been paying attention to Khaz
02:04 <Mort-> Heh
02:17 <Mort-> Mort will just wait for wand
02:38 <Mekkis> heh
02:55 <Mekkis> Deceased loves that spell
03:18 <Mort-> Any use in combat?
03:28 <Mekkis> no
03:29 <Mort-> I'm probably going to scroll it
03:36 <Mekkis> he's got a wand though
03:40 <Mort-> After combat heal only then?
03:45 <Mekkis> you can either CLW for 1d8+1
03:51 <Mekkis> or you can infernally heal for 10
04:02 <Mort-> Strange
04:04 <Mekkis> it only gnaws away at your soul a little!
04:10 <Mekkis> but it Feels So Good!
04:13 <Mort-> I think khaz will use scrolls
04:15 <Mort-> Yeah
04:23 <Mekkis> you get to feel a little like a devil for a minute!
04:25 <Mort-> He would like it
04:27 <Mort-> Yeah
04:39 <Mekkis> go on
04:47 <Mort-> :d
04:51 <Mekkis> a wand's only 2 prestige
05:08 <Mort-> But how about casting it on a lawful good paladin :d
05:15 <Mort-> For a prank ^^
05:28 <Mekkis> why don't you try
05:45 <Mekkis> if we find a low-level scenario I haven't played for Asmel to play
05:46 <Mort-> Once i get hold of a paladin :d
06:06 <Mekkis> Asmel Hellwick?
06:07 <Mort-> And you get a fight? :p
06:18 <Mort-> Doesn't matter which one
06:19 <Avatar> a paladin I played would be conflicted about it, but no more than that
06:19 <Mekkis> and I get to get out from behind the screen
06:30 <Avatar> you might get some who would rather stay wounded
06:38 <Avatar> but that is a bit closer to lawful stupid
06:42 <Mekkis> Asmel would probably attempt a will save
06:51 <Avatar> yeah, the he saves
06:53 <Avatar> then what
06:58 <Mekkis> he's unaffected
07:03 <Avatar> and then what
07:09 <Avatar> what's the roleplay outcome
07:24 <Mekkis> he's not "associating with evil individuals"
07:32 <Mekkis> you know the whole paladin code thing?
07:35 <Avatar> ensue argument
07:43 <Mekkis> indeed
07:52 <Mekkis> but an in-character argument
08:00 <Avatar> ofc
08:07 <Avatar> goes without saying
09:14 <Mort-> Haha
11:30 <Mort-> .,    
17:28 <Mort-> Evil individuals
21:20 <Mekkis> more likely, he's make his spellcraft check
22:13 <Avatar> yeah you'd need to succeed spellcraft before you do anything probably
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22:58 <Mekkis> if I fail the spellcraft
23:04 <Spaceshot> you will
23:05 <Mekkis> then it's a "detect evil" -> WTF
23:06 <Spaceshot> clealy
23:08 <Spaceshot> clearly*
23:16 <Mekkis> -> Smite?
23:19 <Mekkis> hehe
23:23 <Mekkis> probably not that far
23:30 <Mekkis> could be a "you're possessed"
23:36 <Mekkis> either way, good outcome!
25:51 <Avatar> you'd have no reason to detect evil
26:01 <Avatar> a good DM wouldn't let you do it
26:06 <Mekkis> if it's a spell, it could be an evil spell
26:15 <Mekkis> hence, detect evil
26:33 <Mekkis> given that Asmel detects evil obsessively
27:02 <Mekkis> Avatar, where should languages go on a character sheet?
27:07 <Mekkis> below spells?
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29:15 <Mekkis> it's just you, me, diebot and chanserv!
33:40 <Spaceshot> LIES
35:43 <Mort-> Remind me not to offer you my heal
35:56 <Mort-> Jerus wouldn't bat an eyelashes
37:02 <Spaceshot> Ava wouldn't care
38:41 <Spaceshot> no heals for you :P
38:49 <Mort-> Most wouldn't care
39:08 <Mekkis> Ballig, having some issues
39:16 <Mekkis> accepting an invite
39:29 <Mort-> Only holier then thou pesky pallies case
39:30 <Mort-> Care
39:43 <Avatar> Mekkis: under languages
39:50 <Mekkis> I know
40:27 <Mekkis> Avatar, http://dnd.ballig.net/viewchar.php5?char=351
40:31 <Mekkis> what do you think?
43:59 Mekkis sets mode -i Mekkis
43:59 Mekkis sets mode -r Mekkis
43:59 Mekkis sets mode -w Mekkis
43:59 Mekkis sets mode -x Mekkis
44:21 <Mekkis> no Avatar 
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44:30 Topic for #d&d is: PFS: Sat 11am (Mekkis, new game) | Sun 1pm-ish (Ballig, new game) | CoTE: TBA || All times are AEDT (UTC+11:00) | D&D and Pathfinder Online http://dnd.ballig.net
44:30 Topic for #d&d set by Ballig at Sun Feb 19 06:32:57 2012
44:33 <Mekkis> no Avatar 
44:45 <Mekkis> I was asking because I wanted to know if it should be under skills
44:47 <Mekkis> under items
44:52 <Mekkis> under abilities 
44:54 <Avatar> under languages
45:00 <Avatar> languages should be under languages
45:05 <Mekkis> where should the languages section be on a sheet
45:12 <Avatar> oh
45:16 <Avatar> uh, where is it on the template
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45:38 <Mekkis> at the very bottom
45:39 <Mekkis> it seems
45:44 <Avatar> that's not right
45:53 <Mekkis> at least on Bobbob's sheet
46:02 <Mekkis> Avatar, what do you think about http://dnd.ballig.net/viewchar.php5?char=351
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46:19 <Avatar> languages goes between traits and misc bonuses
46:36 <Avatar> skills, feats, traits, languages, misc bonuses, spells
46:59 <Mekkis> mine's skills, feats, traits, abilities, languages, items, spells
47:13 <Avatar> the boxes are too much man
47:33 <Mekkis> http://dnd.ballig.net/chars/s_351
47:36 <Mekkis> looks better
47:49 <Avatar> same problem
48:05 <Avatar> you shouldn't put in ascii boxes for the sake of putting in ascii boxes
48:19 <Avatar> you can get a table effect and have it look much neater
48:30 <Mekkis> that's not why I'm doing it
48:31 <Avatar> and sometimes you don't need a table 
48:46 <Mekkis> I'm doing it because it's easy :S
49:04 <Avatar> well :P
49:24 <Mekkis> looks like the CSS doesn't like it
49:41 <Mekkis> too much spacing between lines
53:24 <Mekkis> there's the Terminal::Table class
13:04 <Mekkis> Avatar, have you bought parts 2 and 3 of QFP?
13:13 <Avatar> yeah
13:19 <Mekkis> ah
13:19 <Avatar> I bought 1, 2 and 3 together
13:20 <Avatar> why
13:30 <Mekkis> just interested
13:48 <Avatar> definitely planning on running them all, once we get some people together
13:48 <Mekkis> planning on running all three in March?
14:02 <Avatar> I think qfp 1 is scheduled for the 8th ?
14:04 <Mekkis> I would accept the invitation, but the site doesn't like me at the moment
14:07 <Mekkis> 3rd
14:16 <Avatar> what's it doing
14:23 <Mekkis> I click accept
14:27 <Mekkis> and it doesn't do anything
16:41 <Mekkis> hmmm
16:50 <Mekkis> I wonder if RA2 works on wine at a decent speed yet
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19:42 <Mekkis> there are a lot of net splits tonight
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25:27 <Avatar> hmmm I'm getting weird css on the site too
26:00 <Avatar> qfp 1 could technically be replaced by 2 or 3 if need be
26:49 <Mekkis> for Brunius?
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27:06 <Avatar> not sure what the logistics are like 
27:14 <Avatar> I think less people played 3 than the others
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27:30 <Avatar> I don't know if brunius got his chronicle sheet for 1
27:30 <Mekkis> would be good to have all three completed by Conquest
27:32 <yeagel> hi
27:35 <Mekkis> hi
27:37 <Avatar> hi yeagel
27:44 <Avatar> I think he should have
28:00 <Avatar> my preference is obviously to do it in order as well
28:10 <yeagel> hi guys
28:15 <Avatar> I'm only going to prep 1 without advance notice
28:23 <Mekkis> hi
28:25 <yeagel> avatar i had a question
28:31 <Avatar> questions are awesome
28:53 <Mekkis> I'll be running a game in about 11 and a half hours, if you want to spectate...
30:02 <yeagel> yes, i would
30:16 <Avatar> what's your question chief
30:34 <yeagel> i was wondering if i could join with a pre-made character
30:40 <Avatar> certainly can
30:45 <Avatar> that's better than spectating
30:59 <Avatar> got a pre-made one in mind?
31:03 <yeagel> yes
31:08 <Avatar> which one is it
31:08 <Mekkis> http://nl.ti4200.info/profiler/view.php?id=5
31:10 <Mekkis> that one?
31:40 <Avatar> that doesn't look like a pregen?
31:56 <yeagel> i'm looking at the ones from this link
31:58 <yeagel> http://paizo.com/pathfinderSociety/pregeneratedCharacters
32:03 <Avatar> cool
32:05 <Mekkis> I've submitted it to be the pregen for the Heroes and Monsters minis
32:06 <Avatar> which class
32:38 <yeagel> i want to be a gunslinger
32:42 <Avatar> haha
32:45 <Avatar> now you're talking my language
32:58 <Avatar> got a name for your gunslinger?
34:02 <Avatar> tristen found a really good name generator, hang on
34:17 <Avatar> http://rinkworks.com/namegen/
34:21 <Avatar> use that if you like
35:07 <Mekkis> Hafshi Al-Moloch
35:36 <Mekkis> Shaolo
36:20 <Mekkis> Juliet Dias
37:06 <Mekkis> wow
37:14 <Mekkis> the logistics of this map are hard to contemplate
39:46 <Avatar> what map
40:39 <Mekkis> the one in BTD2
40:45 <Mekkis> really hard to fit into CA
40:56 <Avatar> cut it up
41:10 <Avatar> if it's too big
42:07 <Mekkis> it's both too big, and doesn't actually cover the area where the action's taking place!
42:44 <Avatar> just cut it up to the area the action is taking place
42:57 <Avatar> split it
42:59 <Mekkis> which isn't actually all on the map
43:13 <Avatar> okay well
43:16 <Avatar> hard to comment without seeing it :P
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44:57 <yeagel> i'd like to be called Rudra
45:06 <Mekkis> male or female?
45:10 <yeagel> Male
45:20 <yeagel> i'm a male gunslinger
45:45 <yeagel> sorry for the afk, i had a phone call to attend to
46:30 <Avatar> okay, Rudra is added to the site
46:42 <Avatar> you can use the pregen for now
46:56 <Avatar> later you can convert it over and upload it yourself
47:02 <Avatar> and you'll start getting game invites too
48:07 <Avatar> well
48:12 <Avatar> after you log in to the site for the first time
48:25 <yeagel> cool
48:31 <yeagel> let me log in
50:44 <yeagel> i will need to download the CA too, right?
51:01 <Avatar> yeah, you'll need everything on the getting started page
53:14 <yeagel> okay
54:00 <Mekkis> Avatar, if you've bought BTD2, you can see an example of an unfittable map: there's no way you can fit this into CA without image editing
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06:36 <Avatar> I'm not buying it until after I've played it
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