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16:20 <mort-> I think as magus
16:39 <mort-> you get your free touch only the round you hold the spell
17:34 <Hydrazine> why?
27:14 <mort-> This thread
27:19 <mort-> Its fairly funny
27:24 <mort-> paizo.com/forums/dmtz57vn?A-Guide-to-Touch-Spells-Spellstrike-and-Spell
28:09 <Hydrazine> bad link is bad
29:52 <Namagem> Someone should make characters using these races:
29:53 <Namagem> http://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?569049-What-the-hell-Paizo
31:42 <mort-> When you cast the spell, you get a free touch attack. You can use Spellstrike to deliver that spell with your weapon instead of a touch. This must happen in order, first cast, then free attack. Once that's done, the 'free' attack is over. 
32:59 <mort-> Will take a bath
33:23 <mort-> I think trying to swing scimitar two handed won't do any good
33:37 <mort-> At least not 2 x per round
37:10 <Hydrazine> Nama, I've actually seen pics of a game using those. They had pony models for a big map and everything.
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16:48 <mort-> Nn all
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32:42 <Hydrazine> howdy.
33:12 <Avatar> aloha
34:14 <Avatar> dunno if I can handle this whole getting up at 7am thing
35:33 <Ballig> why do you have to get up at 7am
39:14 <Avatar> because I accidentally applied for a course that lasts a week instead of a day
39:21 <Ballig> what's the course
39:31 <Avatar> cert 1 in vocational prep
39:46 <Ballig> haha certificate I
39:51 <Avatar> I know 
39:52 <Ballig> why are you bothering with anything below a cert IV
39:59 <Avatar> I didn't know it was a cert anything
40:09 <Avatar> I thought it was something else
40:42 <Ballig> the site gives you a big bold red notification if you have games you've been invited to but haven't accepted/declined yet
42:02 <Avatar> sweet
42:21 <Ballig> next I'll work on account options for disabling email notifications
42:27 <Avatar> it's totally not red
42:29 <Ballig> then consider adding reminders about games (which can be disabled from account)
42:34 <Ballig> what's totally not red
42:42 <Ballig> hit refresh
42:48 <Ballig> I updated the CSS
42:52 <Avatar> oh there we go
43:01 <Avatar> that is eye-burningly red
43:08 <Avatar> make it dark red
43:18 <Ballig> eye-burning is good
43:21 <Ballig> gets peoples' attention
43:26 <Ballig> then they accept/decline, and bam it's gone
43:31 <Avatar> they might not be able to read it
43:35 <Ballig> why wouldn't they
43:45 <Avatar> the colours don't blend well
43:46 <Ballig> I really don't get you and colour sman
43:49 <Avatar> it's eye-burning
43:54 <Ballig> it's like anything above grey burns your eyes
44:00 <Avatar> CaUtIoN!
44:42 <Avatar> I don't think I have any good colour scripts in this client to use as an example
44:55 <Ballig> my client strips colours anyway
44:58 <Avatar> *1
45:05 <Avatar> yeah see
45:10 <Avatar> if I could I would strip colour from that notification
45:27 <Ballig> you can - by accepting or declining the invitation
45:33 <Ballig> anyway, off to work
45:37 <Avatar> I just wouldn't read it
29:45 <Avatar-> :o)
29:53 <Hydrazine> recent testing started by a bold mathmatician with good diplomacy rolls shows that filling up an airplane with fuck-all planing at all, just letting people on, is actually about 5% faster than the bullshit they normally do.
38:23 <Avatar-> jetstar did that
38:31 <Avatar-> it was a bit shit though
56:02 <tristen> fk i like that caution thing up there...
56:27 <tristen> avatar what do you do (or prefer to do) for a living?
56:34 <tristen> did you go to uni or college?
24:55 <tristen> gah i think i'm down a feat for leis too...
29:33 <tristen> avatar remember the whole take ten in combat thing?
29:34 <tristen> http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/general-feats/combat-medic-teamwork
29:59 <tristen> there's one ^^^
09:50 <tristen> what happens when you mix twf and cleave?
10:22 <tristen> does that mean up to four attacks a round?
11:25 <tristen> reason i ask: leis can get "piranha strike" as a combat feat - which gives him power attack with a light weapon
12:03 <tristen> does that mean he can go on to get all the stuff requiring power attack as a requirement?
23:55 <tristen> ah no cancel that question (the "standard" action thing)
24:09 <tristen> i'm merrily chatting to myself today
59:40 <Mort-> Urgh
09:22 <tristen> mort you'll know!
09:33 <tristen> question for you (i think i know the answer)
10:13 <tristen> if leis takes "piranha strike" he gets "power attack" and then he can get "cleave"
10:40 <tristen> if he get cleave i think he can still do two normal attacks in a round (via twf)
11:00 <tristen> and i think if one or the other hits successfully he can get in a cleave
11:04 <tristen> i think
16:38 <tristen> looky here avatar
16:54 <tristen> i was chatting away to you and i hadn't seen you disconnect :|
19:44 <tristen> 00:30 < tristen> avatar remember the whole take ten in combat thing?
19:45 <tristen> 00:30 < tristen> http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/general-feats/combat-medic-teamwork
19:45 <tristen> 00:30 < tristen> there's one ^^^
20:04 <tristen> at least in that case you can take ten in combat...
20:18 <tristen> which is bloody strange to me
21:33 <Mort-> Yeah
21:48 <Mort-> But leis base is very low
21:58 <Mort-> Not likely you can cleave shit
23:12 <tristen> lol ok lemme see what the numbers are
24:09 <tristen> As a standard action, you can make a single attack at your full base attack bonus against a foe within reach.
24:20 <tristen> does that mean ONLY the BAB to hit on the cleave?
24:23 <tristen> nothing else?
24:38 <tristen> http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/combat-feats/cleave-combat
24:45 <Mort-> No
25:09 <Mort-> Usual str or dex rules apply
25:12 <tristen> ok when i attack single i gets: 1d20+9
25:21 <Mort-> Sure you get it again
25:25 <tristen> or double i gets: 1d20+7 and 1d20+6
25:29 <Mort-> But no twf
25:41 <tristen> ok so i can't twf and then cleave?
25:49 <Mort-> No
26:00 <Mort-> I think you get one hit only
26:10 <tristen> is that because twf is full-round action?
26:22 <tristen> or standard action leaving me only movement or something?
26:36 <Mort-> Else why does everyone say cleave is better for 2handerr
26:49 <Mort-> I think its because you are allowed one attack only
26:53 <tristen> dunno? me nub
27:36 <tristen> (i'm down one feat for leis btw, i was just exploring what to give him next)
28:47 <tristen> oh i'm sorry that text i pasted answered the question
29:00 <tristen> i read without reading all the time
29:19 <Mort-> Lol
29:24 <Mort-> Something sneaky!
29:32 <tristen> funny you say that
29:37 <Mort-> The idea of cleave
29:47 <tristen> i was seriously looking at that freaking butterfly sting...
29:50 <Mort-> Was you get your weapon swing it at someone
29:59 <tristen> it could be really good for leis
30:07 Topic for #d&d is: PFS: Sat 11am (Mekkis, new game) | Sun 1pm-ish (Ballig, new game) | CoTE: TBA || All times are AEDT (UTC+11:00) | D&D and Pathfinder Online http://dnd.ballig.net
30:07 Topic for #d&d set by Ballig at Sun Feb 19 06:32:56 2012
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30:09 <Mort-> Then on return swing you hit another guy
30:26 <Mort-> As in the mechanics of the hit
30:34 <tristen> right
30:53 <Mort-> Butterfly sting is good for leis
31:00 <Mort-> He hits a lot
31:14 <Mort-> Are you using 19-20 range?
31:21 <Mort-> Or 18-20
31:25 <tristen> 19-20
31:44 <Mekkis_> Hydrazine, regarding that airplane thing: you're forgetting that that means that they can't make $$$ by selling priority seating
32:09 <Mort-> Ah
32:13 <tristen> and seeing my sneak damage isn't multiplied by a crit
32:26 <tristen> i may as well hand off the crit to hitomi or whoever's handy
32:28 <Mort-> Want more fun do 18-20:p
32:31 <Mort-> Yeah
32:32 <tristen> fk em up real good
32:37 <Mort-> Ya
32:50 <Mort-> Khaz will have better chance of crit
32:55 <tristen> yeah we explored the whole 18=20 thing with a rapier for leis
32:57 <Mort-> Per attack
33:12 <Mort-> But khaz hits only uh...
33:15 <Avatar> fuck it's hot outside
33:15 <tristen> but threw it out
33:24 <Mort-> 3 times per round at 5
33:31 <Mort-> 2 times at 3
33:40 <Avatar> tristen: I'll go riding when it's autumn
33:54 <tristen> yeah i sweated buckets out there this morning
33:55 <Avatar> I always say I'll do things when it's spring/autumn and avoid them in summer/winter 
34:13 <tristen> i rode up to richmond and back with a kilo of gunpowder strapped to my back XD
34:29 <Avatar> Buck approves
34:33 <tristen> gunpowder TEA that is
34:38 <tristen> not quite the same kick
34:44 <tristen> but still pretty good
34:53 <Avatar> what is gunpowder tea
35:01 <tristen> it's green tea
35:09 <tristen> awesome shit
35:16 <Mort-> I love green tea
35:17 <Avatar> should've brought some of that to arcanacon
35:23 <Avatar> none of these bananas and museli bars
35:25 <Avatar> just the tea
35:37 <Mort-> Tea makes you hungry
35:45 <Avatar> when I get hungry, I just drink more tea
35:48 <Avatar> maybe that's how I lost weight
36:01 <tristen> and i'd be going to the toilet every 2 minutes
36:17 <Avatar> that's alright
36:17 <Hydrazine> it took me a second to figure out what the hell you were talking about.
36:19 <Avatar> human body doing its job
36:20 <tristen> "tristen it's your turn? tristen?"
36:21 <Avatar> reminds you you're healthy
36:24 <tristen> and also people probably prefer structure and order over a 5% decrease in time...
36:26 <Avatar> haha
36:33 <tristen> ...probably
36:39 <tristen> i couldn't give a hoot
36:45 <Mort-> You get dizzy if you drink too much tea
36:47 <Hydrazine> but if you bounce that against the money they can make by ALL the planes they own going to and from faster..
36:48 <Avatar> maybe it works for me because I don't eat much
36:57 <Avatar> I dunno, I drink a lot of tea mort
37:09 <tristen> so avatar scroll up and see that take ten in combat thing?
37:51 <Avatar> what am I looking at, the feat?
38:06 <tristen> yeah the combat medic one
38:18 <Avatar> there are a bunch of feats/traits/talents that let you take 10 on things in combat
38:19 <tristen> says for it you can take ten in combat (for it at least)
38:26 <tristen> ah ok
38:34 <Avatar> not really considered a great spend
38:40 <tristen> oh sure on paper yes
38:51 <tristen> no it doesn't - i just saw it and wanted to show you it
39:06 <Avatar> too circumstantial
39:09 <tristen> aye
39:11 <Avatar> or it's the kind of thing you'd do out of combat anyway
39:12 <Mekkis_> Hydrazine, if, say, jetstar started doing that, they'd lose me as a customer
39:20 <tristen> or give to an npc for effect
39:40 <Avatar> there's one for a rogue to take 10 in combat for disable device
39:46 <Avatar> but who cares about disabling traps in combat
39:51 <tristen> "i want that seat and i'll stomp on that old lady to get it"
40:13 <Avatar> unless you're the kind of person who regularly moves ahead instead of back when running away from an encoutner, and regularly comes across traps instead of monsters when doing so
40:33 <Avatar> and you like taking 10
40:40 <Mort-> I'm not kidding that I'm a resident herbalist :p
40:45 <Avatar> I mean those are extreme requirements
40:59 <Avatar> you mean khaz or mort
41:04 <Avatar> which character
41:11 <tristen> hitomi might make use of it then XD
41:11 <Mekkis_> I like avoiding the queue and being the last to board
41:13 <Mort-> Myself
41:16 <Mort-> In real life
41:18 * tristen remembers shades of ice 2
41:23 <Avatar> yeah which you though, khaz or mort
41:27 <Mort-> So i can come up with potions :p
41:27 <Avatar> I can't tell the difference anymore
41:27 <Mekkis_> I don't like being forced to take a shitty seat as a result
41:31 <Mort-> The person playing
41:33 <Mort-> Lol
41:35 <Mort-> Neither
41:40 <Avatar> aren't you a magus in real life
41:45 <Avatar> with a tail
41:45 <Mort-> No
41:50 <Mort-> I'm human
41:54 <Avatar> or a gnome hater 
42:01 <Avatar> I can't tell mort
42:06 <Mort-> Down here I'm a tailess lemur
42:07 <Avatar> what's happened
42:09 <Mort-> Lol
42:42 <Mort-> I haven't been able to split khaz and mort yet
42:51 <Mort-> Need to try
43:01 <Hydrazine> no no. they still assign seats. they just let them on randomly.
43:05 <Mort-> I think mort will be more whimsicak
43:09 <Mekkis_> ?
43:18 <Mort-> Whimsical
43:20 <Mekkis_> don't they do that already?
43:21 <Avatar> you should've given mort a proper name
43:26 <Hydrazine> not normally.
43:35 <Hydrazine> not here atleast. they seat in groups.
43:43 <Avatar> always raises a red flag when someone chooses their own name for their character
44:57 <Mort-> Well
45:16 <Mort-> That came to me since it was my first game
45:20 <Mekkis_> Ryanair they just open the doors and say "get on"
45:34 * Mort- puts on nubhat
46:25 <tristen> hydrazine i remember something about "now boarding 1 through 30"...
47:41 <Avatar-> jetstar did do that
47:50 <Avatar-> I'm not sure if they still do
47:52 <Mekkis_> they don't any more
48:04 * Mekkis_ flew with them
48:43 <Mekkis_> they're great, if you don't mind ending up 50km away from where you want to me
48:44 <Avatar-> it was crap I thought, bit of a rush for best seats thing happening, nobody knew where they should go
48:45 <Mekkis_> be*
48:49 <Mekkis_> aka Avalon
48:57 <Avatar-> what, avalon
49:02 <Avatar> maybe make it Mortory
49:05 <Avatar-> forget fucking avalon
49:16 <Avatar> or Mortaria
49:17 <Avatar-> even generally though
49:29 <Mekkis_> no
49:40 <Mekkis_> they charge $3 for seat reservations now
49:54 <Mekkis_> $15-$30 if it's an emergency-row seat
49:55 <Avatar-> it feels like a shittier experience
50:08 <Avatar-> because of unassigned seating
50:16 <Mekkis_> agreed
50:17 <Avatar-> to me, at least
50:21 <Mekkis_> they stopped that though
50:41 <Mort-> No
50:52 <Mort-> I would do something very different
51:08 <Mort-> Probably xyniel
51:10 <Mort-> Mph
51:40 <Avatar> don't know about changing a character name from Mort to Xyniel
51:48 <Mort-> Btw i have many names
52:03 <Avatar> Landruff is my druid's last name, but that's what he goes by
52:06 <Mort-> Some people call me mortails
52:09 <Avatar> I guess you could do the same sort of thing
52:30 <Mort-> Its the short form for mort swishy tail
52:43 <Mort-> Some call me mortimer
52:50 <Mort-> i still don't get why
52:51 <Avatar-> for a price?
52:56 <Avatar> I like Mortaria
52:56 <tristen> that extra cost for emergency-row seat STINKS
52:56 <Mekkis_> nope
53:05 <Mort-> Nah
53:10 <Mekkis_> they assign you a seat at check-in
53:20 <Mekkis_> for a price you can get a seat reserved at booking
53:23 <Avatar-> I used to love getting emergency seats free
53:27 <Avatar> or Morticia
53:29 <Mort-> i rather mortail/mortimer
53:29 <Mekkis_> you still can
53:30 <Avatar> from the addams family
53:34 <Mort-> That's weird lol
53:44 <Avatar> addams family !
53:49 <Mort-> Btw i was asked to choose between two last names
53:59 <Mort-> I could be mort paddypaws
54:07 <Avatar-> often?
54:13 <Mort-> Or mort swishytail
54:13 <Mekkis_> not sure
54:24 <Mekkis_> whenever I don't have one booked, I'll ask at check-in
54:43 <Mekkis_> with Qantas, it pretty much always works
54:49 <Mekkis_> Virgin, sometimes
55:02 <tristen> swishystump
55:13 <Mort-> Shaddap
55:19 <tristen> XD
55:28 * Mort- goes to a corner to pout
55:44 <Mort-> And guess who's responsible for that?
55:51 <Mort-> Ballig
56:51 <Avatar-> might die on a qantas flight
57:01 <Mekkis_> might die on a flight
57:11 <Mekkis_> unless you're Grolschmir!
57:25 <Avatar-> who would want to man emergency seats on qantas
57:38 <Mekkis_> someone who wants to get off quickly
57:38 <Avatar-> not me I think
57:42 <Avatar-> lot of responsibility on that airline
58:05 <Avatar-> you have rules to follow though
58:07 <Avatar-> no risk on virgin
58:12 <Mekkis_> why not?
58:15 <Avatar-> qantas though
58:20 <Avatar-> forget about it
58:31 <Avatar-> virgin is safe
58:47 <Avatar-> qantas you'll just drop out of the air
59:00 <Avatar-> I've heard stories
59:30 <Mekkis_> they are stories, nothing more
00:00 <Avatar-> the legends are true
02:46 <tristen> mortacious
03:46 <tristen> actually cancel that one it's too riske
04:22 <Hydrazine> does weapon focus help with cmd involving weapon as well, or just offense?
05:15 <Hydrazine> sup?
05:20 <Avatar> we could call you bodacious mortacious
06:21 <tristen> hydrazine how goes it?
06:33 <Avatar> I don't know which of my characters would do that, none of my characters are very happy
06:41 <Avatar> how did that happen
06:49 <tristen> whassat?
06:52 <Avatar> not since mekkis killed off my comedy bard
07:00 <Avatar> all my characters are sourpusses
07:03 <tristen> you...had...a...bard?
07:11 <Avatar> yeah my first PFS char was a bard
07:18 <Avatar> only lasted two sessions
07:22 <tristen> man bards crack me up
07:22 <Avatar> died in the darkest vengeance
07:25 <Avatar> the death scenario
07:55 <Avatar> that's right, mekkis gave us the death scenario as our second scenario ever
07:58 <tristen> "you see a fire-breathing, ice-wielding demon from the pits of doom"
08:09 <tristen> "oh ok i'll strike up a jaunty tune"
08:12 <Avatar> right after we thought the first scenario we ever played was quite tough
08:13 <Mekkis_> yes
08:37 <Avatar> Mellon was one of my more happier characters I think
08:50 <Avatar> Buck's angry, Snickers is bitter, Snake is creepy
08:56 <Avatar> Cairo's been tortured
09:10 <tristen> lol repeat theme repeat theme
09:25 <Avatar> yeah Roger the bard was definitely the happy character
09:37 <tristen> you need to start a halfling bard to offset the unhappiness
09:48 <Avatar> I dunno about making a second bard
09:53 <Avatar> I haven't made a second anything
09:58 <Avatar> I already have too many level 1s as it is
10:05 <Avatar> to make another BARD of all classes
10:12 <tristen> heheh
10:14 <Avatar> I think I've got to cut my losses
10:21 <Avatar> maybe when I get another aasimar
10:38 <Hydrazine> so i'm okay.
10:39 <tristen> man your cha dump on the aasimar was startling
10:39 <Avatar> is thelen's aasimar cleric ready yet
10:50 <Avatar> yeah I didn't want to dump it
10:52 <Hydrazine> not too bad. wanna play some more, actually. we'll see how scheduling work.
10:53 <Mort-> Lol
10:53 <tristen> i think he's getting it ready
10:56 <Avatar> but it was just too much of a standout not to
11:14 <Avatar> the thing is, it's not that important, and it still raises it from -2 to -1, which is goood
11:20 <Avatar> it's about as useful as that
11:21 <tristen> yes
11:28 <Avatar> unless you play it with a cleric
12:22 <tristen> yes
12:28 <Avatar> if I was playing a sorcerer, wis would be similarly not-very-useful
12:57 <tristen> actually the aasimar could be a monk too...
13:06 <tristen> i didn't realise the benefits of wisdom to a monk
13:11 <Avatar> monks have no use for charisma though
13:11 <tristen> hydra pointed it out to me
13:20 <Avatar> a lot of options for just wis or just cha, but only 1 for both
13:28 <tristen> k
13:34 <Avatar> I don't think those abilities are handled very well
13:46 <Avatar> maybe it's me not melding with skills very well
13:57 <Avatar> wis is a bit better than cha thanks to the will save
13:57 <tristen> i want a racial character that gives you +2 and +2 to anything you want :)
14:12 <Avatar> any core race
14:16 <Avatar> well, most
14:36 <Avatar> oh, you mean pick and choose
14:36 <tristen> i mean a total of +4 to distribute as +2 and +2
14:39 <tristen> yeah
14:43 <Avatar> good luck with that
14:52 <tristen> heheh hence my grin
15:18 <Avatar> man I haven't had tea in a while 
15:21 <Avatar> this stuff is so damn good
15:25 <tristen> get the kettle on man
15:31 <tristen> oh
15:34 <tristen> right
15:37 <Avatar> it's like I'd forgotten
15:49 <Avatar> I run out of mugs and get a bit lazy doing the dishes
16:00 <Avatar> then they get cleaned and it's like a new world opens up 
16:14 <tristen> absolutely!
16:37 <tristen> hey btw did you make that CaUtIoN! thing earlier?
17:05 <tristen> Hydrazine: make time!
17:46 <tristen> actually i have a dilemna now with tasiv
17:54 <tristen> i can take "rapid shot" as a feat now
18:01 <tristen> and i need to choose another one
18:11 <tristen> and i can't see anything that leaps out
18:18 <tristen> http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/feat-tree
18:29 <Avatar> I didn't make it
18:33 <Avatar> it was stolen from another script
18:50 <Avatar> I used to have tons of things like that that I translated over, solely to give people grief
18:50 <tristen> it's pretty cool
18:57 <Avatar> that one used to be a lot longer
19:00 <Avatar> I shortened it
19:24 <Avatar> you could enter a custom message in normal writing with that funky caution text in front and after it
19:57 <Avatar> CaUtIoN!  you are a lamo !! CaUtIoN!
20:03 <Avatar> that kind of thing
20:21 <tristen> heheh
20:22 <Avatar> you can tell how long I've been on IRC ;)
20:34 <Avatar> judging by maturity level, not technical aptitutde
21:04 <Avatar> back in the days before idiots invented phrases like OH HAI GUYZ
21:29 <Mort-> Cleric is good
21:36 <Mort-> Nice channeling nice wis
21:51 <Avatar> the race is made for clerics
22:00 <Avatar> I'm just really surprised there's no good alternative
22:06 <Avatar> I mean I didn't even know it until I tried to create one
22:14 <Avatar> I've known about aasimars for years though
22:28 <Avatar> never created one because in 3.5 they had a level adjustment
22:39 <Avatar> so a level 5 aasimar would have to be played at level 3 or something
24:53 <Hydrazine> tris, didn't we already talk about your second feat?
26:37 <tristen> i turns out i have two "plain" feats to take
26:51 <tristen> regardless of the "bonus" feat at my next level (6)
27:19 <tristen> unless i'm wrong...
27:28 <tristen> i'm at 5th level and i've only taken 3 feats
28:04 <tristen> two to start
28:07 <Hydrazine> dork.
28:14 <tristen> a third (bonus) at second :)
28:26 <tristen> a fourth at third
28:34 <tristen> and a fifth at, er, fifth
28:52 <tristen> heheh
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59:12 <Mort-> But one thing about being a mounted class
59:20 <Mort-> Your crippled without your mount
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59:40 <Hydrazine> mort
59:45 <Hydrazine> i got to talk at you later.
59:49 <Mort-> For flavor i wonder how khaz would fare charging
00:05 <Mort-> Ok usual channel
01:48 <Mort-> Forum boards also say you don't want to meet a magus boss
02:08 <Mort-> Because they can go nova on you without any consequences
02:44 <Mort-> Of course real magi can't do that because they need to conserve resources
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27:58 <Mekkis> except in a special
31:08 <Mekkis> although in my experience, specials expect you to go nova every encounter
31:21 <Mekkis> which is a problem, because they generally don't let you rest
31:26 <Avatar> heh yeah
31:38 <Avatar> very unforgiving
34:24 <Hydrazine_> special what?
43:21 <Brunius> PFS specials
43:31 <Brunius> They're coordinated scenarios between multiple tables
55:14 <Avatar> think: AoE's affect everyone 
56:14 <Mekkis> unfortunately I only have two datapoints to look at
56:38 <Brunius> Why didn't you sleetstorm them, Mekkis?
56:42 <Mekkis> but in my experience, a special consists of a certain amount of time faffing about, followed by several brutal combats
57:04 <Mekkis> Brunius, because it would piss off twenty-four players!
57:11 <Brunius> And?
57:17 <Avatar> you're only asking because you know the answer
57:30 <tristen> if you don't have a disliking of dog shit that is...
57:33 <Mort-> But no rocs in cities
57:34 <Mekkis> have you seen what sleet storm does?
57:51 <Brunius> You did cast it in that session
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57:59 <Brunius> Just not in a place where it would annoy people
57:59 <Mekkis> that too
58:04 <Brunius> So I've seen what it does
58:16 <Mekkis> would it have been at all useful?
59:20 <Avatar> I am probably going to buy a herald
59:24 <Avatar> to announce my entrances
59:37 <Brunius> Might have been in that bar fight
59:43 <Mekkis> in other news, Grolschmir needs to find some more third-level spells
59:49 <Brunius> Or it might have just confused the heck out of all the GMs
59:52 <Mekkis> heh
59:58 <Avatar> would've made things interesting
00:01 <Avatar> and caused a lot of Death
00:06 <Mekkis> what are good third-level druid spells?
00:49 <Avatar> pretty sure you're the only druid expert here
01:24 <Avatar> call lightning, maybe
01:32 <Mekkis> no
01:35 <Mekkis> reflex save
01:45 <Avatar> daylight is good for your deeper darkness woes
01:45 <Mekkis> Grolschmir's spell saves are horrible
02:52 <Mekkis> dispel magic perhaps
04:53 <Avatar> dispel magic is 4th
05:01 <Avatar> for druids
06:08 <Mekkis> Mad Monkeys
10:39 <Avatar> what
10:46 <Mekkis> http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/all-spells/m/mad-monkeys
12:00 <Mekkis> the problem with that is I'll need to carry another book !
13:58 <Avatar> that is a very bizarre swarm
19:21 <Brunius> Mekkis: Is there a problem with getting the PDF of everything and just putting it on your laptop?
20:47 <Mekkis> Brunius, yes
20:50 <Mekkis> two problems
21:06 <Mekkis> 1) it requires me to buy a pdf of a book I already own
21:14 <Mekkis> 2) it requires me to have a laptop at the table
22:00 <Brunius> I can see how those would be problems.
24:00 <Mekkis> Obviously crime DOES pay. Hell, it pays enough to buy judges. 
24:00 <Hydrazine_> so, the ability scores chapter in the book tells you what they're all for, and even advise about what classes need what.
24:33 <Hydrazine_> i guess i'm still bewildered by the 4th ed guys.
24:47 <Mekkis> in 4e it does
24:54 <Mekkis> in 3.5e it did to an extent
25:02 <Mekkis> but was wrong in many cases
25:15 <Hydrazine_> i'm looking at thr srd now.
25:22 <Mekkis> which SRD?
25:25 <Hydrazine_> "Charisma is most important for paladins, sorcs and bards.."
25:58 <Hydrazine_> online. just.. blown away.
26:07 <Mekkis> which SRD?
26:15 <Hydrazine_> http://www.d20pfsrd.com/basics-ability-scores/ability-scores
26:18 <Mekkis> the 3.5e one, the 3e one, the Pathfinder one?
26:29 <Mekkis> (iirc, in 4e, it was called something else)
26:56 <Hydrazine_> but if you're considering playing pfs.. read the pfs books?
27:15 <Hydrazine_> and don't just get angry about not knowing whats in them?
28:07 <Mekkis> ah
28:30 <Mekkis> wow!
28:40 <Hydrazine_> under strength, it says "Important for those who do melee combat, such as fighters, monks, paladins..."
28:48 <Hydrazine_> i mean, what more do you want it to say?
29:03 <Mekkis> if you're smaller than Small, you add your dex bonus to CMB!
29:14 <Hydrazine_> "don't play a melee with under 14 str unless you're a retard?"
29:27 <Hydrazine_> yes.
29:27 <Mekkis> Hydrazine_, look at the 4e PHB
29:36 <Hydrazine_> i have before, but its been a while.
29:44 <Mekkis> PALADIN
29:49 <Mekkis> Key Abilities: Strength, Charisma, Wisdom
29:52 <Hydrazine_> but it is more....simplified, isn't it?
29:57 <Mekkis> ie
30:07 <Mekkis> choose a race that gives you bonuses to str, cha and wis
30:17 <Mekkis> and put all your points in there
30:48 <Hydrazine_> i ragequit 4e in 2 sessions.
30:53 <Mekkis> to be fair, I do like the artwork in the 4e books
31:00 <Hydrazine_> if i wanna play WoW, i'll go play WoW.
31:48 <Hydrazine_> classy artwork, a good game does not make.
31:59 <Mekkis> agreed
32:05 <Mekkis> but it's still good art
32:26 <Mekkis> I think the PF artwork is too anime-inspired
32:50 <Mekkis> ah
33:13 <Hydrazine_> i used to play exalted, which is very anime style. i loved it.
33:17 <Hydrazine_> so i guess i don't mind the anime art in pfs either.
46:39 <Mort-> I know what stats go where
49:28 <Mekkis> who wants to play some PFS?
50:08 <Hydrazine_> you mean now?
50:10 <Mort-> Can't
50:11 <Mort-> Lol
50:12 <Mekkis> more or less
50:14 <Mort-> At work
50:27 <Mort-> Will afk on and off :(
50:29 <Mekkis> when do you finish?
50:58 <Mort-> 3h10 min
51:08 <Mort-> no comp for an h
52:11 <Mort-> After that
01:21 <Hydrazine_> i think we're short manpower.
03:34 <Hydrazine_> Night guys.
04:00 <Mort-> Spy
04:02 <Mort-> Sorry
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10:43 <Brunius> A wild spaceshot appeared
11:03 * Mort- throws pokeball
11:45 <Mekkis> To be a gnome is to experience everything to its fullest
11:45 <Mekkis> extent, to feel more keenly than others. To us, vistas
11:45 <Mekkis> only look right in brilliant sunrise or dazzling sunset—
11:45 <Mekkis> not even the most vibrant autumn hues make the world
11:45 <Mekkis> colorful enough. Drabness, always drabness... and
11:45 <Mekkis> boredom makes us drab as well, if we don’t take care to
11:45 <Mekkis> keep ourselves bright in spirit.
11:45 <Mekkis>   —Carlora Rothenstander, On Being a Gnome of Quality
12:08 * Mort- winces
13:10 <Mekkis> one day the Wonderseeker faction will be PFS legal!
13:20 <Mekkis> and all gnomes will rejoice!
14:54 <Mekkis> Given their Small size, they have trouble carrying much and turn to magical storage devices such as bags of holding and handy haversacks. The faction sells these items to any member of the group. However, after the “silver rift incident” of 4677 ar, the group off icially banned the use of portable holes to decrease the risk of members placing one in a bag of holding or vice versa.
15:15 <Brunius> ha
15:54 <Spaceshot> ...
16:05 <Spaceshot> got internet, can't log into steam yet
16:15 <Hydrazine_> where you been, space?
16:15 <Mekkis> that's good!
16:44 <Spaceshot> moving to the next state over
17:02 <Spaceshot> and mekkis, just because you don't play computer games doesn't me others don't XD
17:03 <Hydrazine_> ah.
18:41 <Spaceshot> so brunius, you ok for this weekend getting your stuff?
19:09 <Brunius> Um, OK I guess
19:10 <Brunius> Where?
19:21 <Spaceshot> where's best for you?
19:34 <Brunius> Good Games Blackburn
19:37 <Brunius> At 11am sunday
19:39 <Spaceshot> thought so
19:48 <Spaceshot> there's an 11am on sundays?
20:05 <Spaceshot> reminds me of magic tournaments
20:38 <Brunius> Bring a PFS character
21:13 <Spaceshot> do you mean a pfs character that I have legal material for?
21:34 <Brunius> yes
21:41 <Spaceshot> bah
21:51 <Spaceshot> guess I'll have to make the 20/20/7/7/7/7 barb
22:00 <Spaceshot> sorry, 20/18/7/7/7/7
22:25 <Brunius> do it
22:32 <Ballig> ugh
22:36 <Ballig> disgusting :p
22:46 <Spaceshot> yea I know, it's really gonna be 18/20/7/7/7/7
22:50 <Spaceshot> need more con than str for a barb
23:25 <Spaceshot> would love to have the armoured hulk alternate for fullplate, but I'll live
23:33 <Ballig> do 7/7/7/18/20
23:58 <Spaceshot> not for a barb
24:04 <Ballig> do it
24:05 <Ballig> I dare you
25:11 <Brunius> Play a mystic theurge
25:19 <Brunius> With those stats
25:24 <Brunius> You will get like 1hp per level
25:27 <Spaceshot> nah, only need 1 stat for mystic theurge
25:39 <Brunius> Oh?
25:48 <Ballig> go barbarian with 7/7/7/18/20
26:06 <Spaceshot> sorc has a bloodline from UM or APG that allows you to replace cha with wisdom for spell casting
26:09 <Spaceshot> I call bullshit on it
30:02 <Hydrazine_> its not even class specific is it? you justneed both kinds of magic.
30:08 <Hydrazine_> so a sorc/oracle would work aswell?
30:27 <Ballig> yeah
30:39 <Ballig> but you would only qualify two levels later
44:07 <Mekkis> yeah
44:14 <Mekkis> and Hydrazine_'s got a better ide
44:15 <Mekkis> a
44:30 <Mekkis> because you don't need to bring a copy of Ultimate Magic
46:41 <Mekkis> Spaceshot, I do play computer games
46:47 <Mekkis> I just don't use steam
48:26 <tristen> 7/7/7/7/18/20 is WRONG (but bloody funny i'd love to see the resulting gameplay)
48:48 <Mekkis> it's wrong
49:11 <Mekkis> it's 7/7/7/8/18/20
49:24 <Mekkis> and even then, you're doing it wrong
49:29 <Mekkis> what you really want is:
49:37 <Mekkis> 5/7/7/8/20/20 !
50:40 <Brunius> Is there even a race that does that?
50:57 <Mekkis> depends?
51:08 <Spaceshot> asimmar does +2cha and +2wis without any negatives
51:09 <Mekkis> an asimaar can go 7/7/7/8/20/20
59:29 <Mekkis> of course, you need a boon to play one
01:39 <Brunius> no shit?
08:04 <MekkisScreen> '
08:45 <Spaceshot> avatar should do it
09:07 <Brunius> What should a 3.5 character have at level 5?
16:32 <Brunius> Damn where's the rules for special materials in 3.5
17:34 <Spaceshot> 3.5?
17:38 <Brunius> Yep
17:40 <Spaceshot> why?
17:48 <Brunius> People at my school still use 3.5
17:56 <Spaceshot> again, why?
17:58 <Brunius> I've been converting them to pf
18:08 <Brunius> But they really didn't have much exposure to it
18:13 <Spaceshot> not a good enough job it seems
18:22 <Mekkis> what's wrong with 3.5?
18:38 <Mekkis> it does have a lot of material
18:46 <Spaceshot> the material is fine
19:01 <Spaceshot> the base stuff that pathfinder has improved on is better
19:35 <Spaceshot> I still want to play a Magic of Incarnum class
21:25 <Spaceshot> though I also like a lot of 3rd party material for 3.5 and pathfinder
25:52 <Spaceshot> anywho, should my barb go half-orc, half-elf or human
33:07 <Mekkis> anything other than human
33:12 <Mekkis> I'd suggest half elf
33:20 <Mekkis> too many humans in the Society
33:31 <Mekkis> why not dwarf>
33:32 <Mekkis> ?
39:46 <Avatar> go aasimar
41:08 <Spaceshot> don't have aasimar, and going barb
44:55 <Ballig> he's going a barbarian with 7/7/7/18/20
02:42 <Spaceshot> haha, no going 18/20/8/7/7/7
02:58 <Spaceshot> might go dwarf, but I don't need an even worse cut to my dex XD
03:57 <Brunius> Yes you do
05:01 <Brunius> Hey 3.5 holding a weapon in two hands gives an extra .5 str bonus to the damage or not?
05:11 <Brunius> Or is that a PFism
05:17 <Ballig> it's 3.5
05:23 <Spaceshot> tis gives you 1.5x
05:26 <Ballig> in fact in 3.5 it's +0.5x strength for every hand above the first
05:44 <Ballig> so if you have 4 hands and use them all on the one weapon, it's 2.5x
05:44 <Brunius> Spaceshot: My friend's pulling out of the trade
05:48 <Brunius> heh
06:24 <Spaceshot> ...
06:29 <Spaceshot> seriously?
07:11 <Brunius> Me:
07:11 <Brunius>     You can you have the cash for Tau this weekend?
07:11 <Brunius> Friend:
07:11 <Brunius>     no. from my research many of the current tau models are being updated and i think i will just hold of on buying anything tau until i can be certain of what will still be ok. i am also lacking in the cash department at the moment
07:58 <Spaceshot> skeptical tau enthusiast
08:39 <Spaceshot> and what I'd call a cock atm
09:19 <Spaceshot> well there goes some of my new headphone money
11:24 <Spaceshot> well, if he wants it eventually then sure I'll happily keep it for him
11:31 <Spaceshot> but it's just a bit irritating atm
26:22 <Brunius> Power attack shenanigans, go!
26:47 <Spaceshot> haha
26:54 <Spaceshot> 3.5 power attack is your friend
27:02 <Spaceshot> pathfinder power attack made barbarians cry
28:46 <Spaceshot> isn't 3.5 power attack any reduce your to hit by any number up to your BAB and get x2 that much damage to your attack?
30:01 <Brunius> Yep
30:11 <Spaceshot> good times
40:59 <Mort-> Sigh
41:04 <Mort-> We won our war
41:11 <Mort-> But fking merry
41:14 <Mort-> Messy
43:31 <Brunius> You will refer me to this game
43:37 <Brunius> Is it some asian language?
59:10 <Mort-> God
59:16 <Mort-> We won the war
59:59 <Mort-> But that's because we had a uber tactician
00:04 <Mort-> I just don't cut it
00:51 <Brunius> What is this game
03:23 <Mort-> Utopia
08:28 <Mekkis> 3.5e power attack makes fighters think a lot
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12:37 <Spaceshot> made barbarians very very good one trick ponies
12:48 <Mekkis> that had to think a lot !
13:22 <Spaceshot> not as much as fighters did because of the rage buff
13:52 <Spaceshot> 1 fighter/1 ranger/x barb was good times
16:09 <Brunius> I'm running a combat-oriented cleric
16:27 <Mekkis> still have to think!
16:34 <Mekkis> I played Jasim
16:35 <Brunius> Yeah
19:35 <Brunius> What do you think of Silverskin Armour, Mekkis?
19:41 <Mekkis> link?
20:01 <Brunius> http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=213738
20:15 <Brunius> I run an artifact deck, thinking I can whack it on something big
24:56 <Mekkis> oh
25:01 <Mekkis> THAT silverskin armour
25:02 <Mekkis> it's shit
25:05 <Mekkis> no, really shit
25:16 <Mekkis> it's equipment
25:17 <Spaceshot> 2 card combos like that are bad in constructed
25:26 <Spaceshot> in limited it's a nice card if it's ok
25:38 <Mekkis> its name doesn't start with "sword of" or "batterskull".
25:40 <Spaceshot> if it's in an ok deck*
25:41 <Mekkis> it's shit
25:56 <Mekkis> even in limited
26:25 <Spaceshot> yea, don't like mtg metagame since invasion + odysee(spelling)
30:41 <Mekkis> http://donjon.bin.sh/d20/power/
34:15 <***> Buffer Playback...
34:15 <***> Playback Complete.
34:21 <Mekkis> wow
34:27 <Mekkis> your hours must suck
42:35 <Mort-> I am on train now
43:50 <Mort-> I wake up at 7 am in the morning
43:50 <Mort-> Work starts at 9 am
43:51 <Mort-> Ends at 6pm
43:51 <Mort-> During work on and off i can chat here
43:51 <Mort-> But i can't game because i don't know when ill be afk
43:51 <Mort-> if boss pops by i need to
44:01 <Mort-> Make sure I'm not fiddling cell
49:45 <Spaceshot> hehe
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12:32 <Mort-> Hi tristen
13:38 <Mort-> Magic the gathering lol
13:43 <Mort-> I played before
13:57 <Mort-> Starter decks
13:57 <Spaceshot> same
13:58 <Mort-> Only
13:59 <Spaceshot> haha
14:16 <Mort-> Not spending monehr
14:30 <Mort-> Buying so many decks just to get what you want
14:38 <Mort-> Anyway
14:50 <Mort-> I didn't like the later cards
14:54 <Spaceshot> mmm
15:00 <Spaceshot> I didn't like how the game was going
15:07 <Mort-> Too over powered and nutty
15:12 <Spaceshot> yup
15:27 <Spaceshot> netdecking also killed the game too
15:32 <Mort-> I played stuff like white heat
15:42 <Mort-> Lol
15:43 <Spaceshot> people didn't really try their own decks, only checked what was hot and built it
15:58 <Mort-> I never created my own deal
16:02 <Mort-> Deck
16:10 <Mort-> Because no cards to
16:29 <Spaceshot> yea, I had a lot of cards
16:39 <Spaceshot> it was fun whilst it lasted fun
16:55 <Mort-> I like white winnies
17:14 <Mort-> First strike ftw
17:19 <Mort-> You know black deck
17:35 <Spaceshot> heh
17:39 <Spaceshot> yea I know
17:40 <Mort-> If you cheat shuffled to get a certain set of 7 cards
17:46 <Spaceshot> :P
17:48 <Mort-> You can kill on first turn
17:54 <Spaceshot> you should try and find shandalar
18:03 <Spaceshot> it's a really good old school pc game
18:05 <Mekkis> then I DQ you and get you investigated!
18:09 <Spaceshot> using really old cards
18:16 <Mort-> My brother and i figured how to do it
18:42 <Mekkis> Mort-, two or three years ago, there was a tournament-viable deck that reliably killed on turn ZERO
18:45 <Mort-> But its using some cards that are banned in some tournaments
19:04 <Mort-> I think that was why i quit
19:14 <Mort-> Too many nutty cards
19:18 <Spaceshot> yup
19:31 <Mort-> what i meant kill on first turn was in old school days
19:42 <Mekkis> http://mtgsalvation.com/605-seeing-legacys-future.html
19:51 <Spaceshot> it was in recent times, using an old school card to make the combo work
19:55 <Mort-> I heard they banned dark ritual though for tournaments
19:57 <Spaceshot> good thing flash is now restricted
21:19 <Mort-> Can't really understand that
21:29 <Mort-> Its way after my time haha
22:45 <Mekkis> if I played vintage more, I'd care
22:57 <Mekkis> (I do play legacy: with Charbelcher...)
23:04 <Mort-> Lol I'm old school
23:06 <Mort-> :d
23:16 <Spaceshot> lol charbelcher
23:17 <Mekkis> it gets turn 1 kills generally once or twice per tournament
23:23 <Mort-> My time was when white heat was around
23:30 <Spaceshot> it's usually turn 2 or 3 isn't it?
23:33 <Mekkis> yeah
23:39 <Mekkis> depends on the draw and the opponent
23:42 <Mort-> Stuff like over run was still new
23:56 <Mort-> Don't know what's a charblecher
23:56 <Spaceshot> good ol' onslaught
25:34 <Spaceshot> I almost had enough cards for charbelcher, well dad was trying to make it
25:43 <Spaceshot> but it was hard to find tinder walls
25:54 <Mekkis> I've got about eight of them
26:03 <Spaceshot> nice
26:36 <Spaceshot> mana is 2 lands, 8guides, 4 walls, 4 petals (unless they're banned in vintage)
26:38 <Spaceshot> anything else?
26:43 <Mekkis> LEDs
26:56 <Mekkis> they're the expensive ones
27:01 <Spaceshot> oh yea, that was the other issue of making the decks
27:05 <Spaceshot> deck*
27:13 <Mekkis> rite of flame
27:19 <Mekkis> desperate ritual
27:23 <Mekkis> dark ritual
27:34 <Mekkis> seething song
27:44 <Mekkis> some builds run Chrome Mox: I don't
27:47 <Mort-> Dark ritual?
27:59 <Mekkis> I run Gitaxian Probe instead
28:02 <Mort-> Wasn't it banned?
28:07 <Mekkis> never in legacy
28:13 <Spaceshot> I think so
28:22 <Spaceshot> not in legacy, maybe in vintage
28:28 <Mekkis> or in vintage
28:37 <Spaceshot> I think it was in standard at one pooint
28:46 <Mekkis> it was banned in extended at one point
28:53 <Mort-> Ah
28:58 <Mekkis> (while it was still legal in standard, FYI)
29:04 <Mekkis> around the time that Mercadian was out
29:27 <Mort-> I know my brother and i were going why they banned it
29:49 <Mort-> We thought it was a harmless bit of do
29:53 <Mort-> Fun
30:07 <Spaceshot> you should see modern
30:23 <Mort-> Don't want to
30:37 <Mekkis> I think wizards lost their chance with modern
30:40 <Mort-> Old school ftw!
31:26 <Mort-> Ah done on work
31:38 <Spaceshot> modern = lets make games take as long as possible :P
31:47 <Spaceshot> no mana excel or free spells :P
32:03 <Mekkis> modern = change the banned list every month
32:05 <Mort-> Still 20 life to start with?
32:14 <Mekkis> players are like, screw that
32:19 <Mekkis> yeah
32:23 <Mort-> My cell going flat
32:25 <Mekkis> 20 life, seven cards
32:40 <Mort-> Do it old school
32:51 <Mekkis> spells are resolved in batches
32:52 <Mort-> Summoned creature
33:01 <Mort-> Blasting spells
33:04 <Mekkis> interrupts work
33:15 <Mekkis> noone understands the rules - not even the judges!
33:28 <Mort-> Don't they always
33:51 <Mekkis> upgrade path goes from warning -> double warning -> game loss -> match loss -> disqualification
34:01 <Mekkis> even for something like a missed trigger!
34:09 <Mekkis> Mort-, I'm a judge, and I know the rules!
34:25 <Mort-> Not arbitered properly?
34:45 <Mekkis> http://web.archive.org/web/19980504174919/http://thedojo.com/
37:52 <Mort-> Hm
37:58 <Mekkis> http://web.archive.org/web/19980504184421/http://thedojo.com/wakko/thoughts09.html
39:49 <Mort-> Confusing
40:11 <Mort-> During my time you could play dark ritual on your turn only
40:15 <Mort-> A sorcery
40:22 <Mekkis> incorrect
40:32 <Mekkis> you weren't reading the rules, or didn't know them
40:37 <Mekkis> like everyone back then!
40:41 <Mort-> My time is ages ago
40:44 <Mekkis> I know
40:58 <Mekkis> and I know that Dark Ritual was originally an interrupt
41:02 <Mekkis> then a mana source
41:06 <Mekkis> then an instant
41:08 <Mort-> Hm
41:11 <Mekkis> it has NEVER been a sorcery
41:28 <Mort-> I really need to find my brothers deck
41:49 <Mort-> But i know we never dark ritualed in the middle of someone's turn
42:00 <Mekkis> then you didn't know the rules
42:07 <Mort-> Again the only reason why you would is to blast
42:12 <Mort-> Or counter spell
42:25 <Mort-> Which black wasn't exactly good for
42:41 <Mekkis> there are several decks that win in strange phases
45:22 <Spaceshot> cephalid breakfast was a good extended deck
45:47 <Mekkis> now noone plays extended !
46:01 <Spaceshot> that's because extended is like 4 blocks
46:09 <Spaceshot> it use to be everything from iceage onwards
46:18 <Mekkis> it used to be seven blocks
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46:33 <Mekkis> before that, it used to be 6-8 blocks
46:44 <Spaceshot> yea
46:47 <Mekkis> before that, it used to be revised onwards
47:24 <Mekkis> there was on period, around 2002, where it used to be ice age onwards, plus revised edition dual lands
48:17 <Spaceshot> yea
48:33 <Spaceshot> I played quirian dryad deck
48:38 <Spaceshot> and dad played 10land stompy
48:47 <Mekkis> oh
48:48 <Avatar> I just had a great idea
48:53 <Avatar> all of us should get heralds in PFS
49:02 <Avatar> so whenever we go anywhere, all of us are announced individually
49:02 <Mekkis> big magic tournament there in Melbourne 
49:06 <Mekkis> end of March
52:08 <Spaceshot> heh
52:11 <Spaceshot> don't play anymore
52:16 <Spaceshot> avatar, where do you live
52:23 <Mekkis> in Melbourne
52:29 <Spaceshot> I've been here for a week and no showing me around
52:36 <Mekkis> If he wanted to get more specific, he'd tell you :)
53:07 <Spaceshot> st kilda somewhere
03:54 <Avatar> you haven't said anything man, what do you expect
04:06 <Avatar> I'm busy for the rest of this week
05:17 <Spaceshot> same, got school
05:23 <Spaceshot> I'm free monday and tuesdays
05:38 <Spaceshot> don't have study/school/whatever you want to call it then
13:24 <Mekkis> hmmm
13:32 <Mekkis> Master of Wonders isn't PFS legal :(
13:49 <Mekkis> Spaceshot, do you know the difference between rules and policy?
14:09 <Spaceshot> rules is a must, policy is a should or you're a douche
14:11 <Spaceshot> roughly
14:39 <Spaceshot> why do you ask?
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17:52 <Avatar> what's the difference mekkis
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29:00 <Mekkis> Spaceshot, not exactly
29:11 <Mekkis> rules is what's written with regards to the game
29:24 <Mekkis> policy is how it's followed with regards to the organisation
30:51 <Mekkis> for example, rules dictate stuff like "how much damage would a two-handed greatsword deal when used in TWF with spiked armour"
31:17 <Mekkis> and policy dictates stuff like "can I apply the 'Additional Trait' boon to my eldolon"
43:01 <Mekkis> the big difference, as far as you're concerned is:
43:24 <Mekkis> your local VC can help with policy questions: he can't help with rules questions.
44:36 <Spaceshot> sure can
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46:46 <Spaceshot> I believe all my issues are either policy or interpretation based
48:08 <Mekkis> interpretation when dealing with rules is rules nonetheless
48:34 <Spaceshot> can be
48:41 <Mekkis> not can be
48:42 <Mekkis> is
49:23 <Spaceshot> I really doubt you're a lawyer, so I'll stick to my assumption of possibly, not eplicitly
49:48 * Mekkis looks up eplicitly
50:11 <Spaceshot> explicitly
50:13 <Mekkis> what the hell does that mean?
50:24 <Mekkis> that doesn't even makes sense
51:26 <Spaceshot> basically, because  I doubt you have extensive knowledge of law and constitutional english writing, I'm going to stick with that it can be considered rules, not it is considered rules and that's it
52:10 <Mekkis> what does this have to do with law and "constitutional english writing"?
52:48 <Spaceshot> interpretation of a subject doesn't explicitly mean it is considered to be that subject
53:12 <Namagem> Hey guys, what's up?
53:27 <Mekkis> but it does mean that any ambiguity should be treated as such
53:37 <Spaceshot> not always
53:45 <Mekkis> example
54:15 <Spaceshot> the local VC can help with giving you a good estimation on an average view of a rules interpretation
54:36 <Mekkis> but you still shouldn't use it until it's been made official.
55:14 <Mekkis> plus, our local VC's interpretation is his interpretation, and effects games he GMs. Not anyone else's.
55:37 <Spaceshot> why? just bring a backup
02:09 <Mekkis> because word spreads
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03:49 <Spaceshot> all good
03:54 <Spaceshot> even more notice for my character
10:29 <Mekkis> it's more like
11:15 <Mekkis> "There's this idiot who's playing a <character> that tries to cheese <mechanic>. It doesn't work, and the character's illegal. Don't allow it at your table."
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