// #d&d — 2012-02-20
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13:08:25 Topic for #d&d is: PFS: Sat 11am (Mekkis, new game) | Sun 1pm-ish (Ballig, new game) | CoTE: TBA || All times are AEDT (UTC+11:00) | D&D and Pathfinder Online http://dnd.ballig.net
13:08:25 Topic for #d&d set by Ballig at Sun Feb 19 06:32:56 2012
13:08:34 <Mekkis> moin
13:08:35 <Mort-> Oh jagged
13:08:40 <Mort-> Tristen
13:08:51 <Mort-> Would you like to join the gp club,g
13:09:00 <Mekkis> don't
13:09:19 <Mekkis> don't risk the Wrath of the Gnomes!
13:11:50 <Jaggedsoul> oi, do I smell a game here?
13:11:51 <Jaggedsoul> lol
13:12:08 <Hydrazine> i dunno?
13:12:08 <Mekkis> maybe I should write it up as a module!
13:12:43 <Hydrazine> Wrath of the Gnomes?
13:12:52 <Hydrazine> I'd play it. I think.
13:13:12 <Hydrazine> But I might want to run it with Nearis, so I don't care too much if Mek tpks.
13:13:47 <Mort-> He will get roc riding gnome rangers
13:13:50 <Mort-> After us
13:14:02 <Mort-> But jagged!
13:14:04 <Mekkis> A small Andoran village is causing a lot of trouble around the Cheliaxian border. We need to work out the cause, and whether they've found any artifacts.
13:14:10 <Mort-> Tristen!
13:14:12 <Mort-> Lol
13:14:23 <Mekkis> tier 5-9
13:14:34 <Mekkis> in the 8-9 tier, it will have a full-sized roc
13:15:24 * Jaggedsoul shudders
13:15:31 <Mort-> And he will have evul summoners after us
13:15:49 <Mort-> Want to join my gnome punting club? :p
13:16:43 <WooMod> no punting gnomes!
13:17:19 <Hydrazine> it'll feature gnomes synthesists in huge power armor eidolons.
13:17:22 <Hydrazine> wrecking face.
13:18:53 <MekkisScreen_> a full-sized roc's only CR9
13:19:07 <MekkisScreen_> and in the boons, it will allow you to buy a roc egg
13:19:14 <MekkisScreen_> for 3500gp
13:19:17 <MekkisScreen_> :)
13:20:54 <MekkisScreen_> they build large nests
13:21:09 <MekkisScreen_> of tree trunks and ruined masonary
13:37:26 <Hydrazine> shoulda named it big bird.
13:37:52 <Hydrazine> mekkis, you chronicle sheet for that should include some amazing buffalo wings.
13:39:35 <MekkisScreen_> hmmm
13:39:42 <MekkisScreen_> Many of those mistakes were missing opportunities to provide customer
13:39:42 <MekkisScreen_> service to players (or interact with them on the basis of "hey you're a
13:39:42 <MekkisScreen_> human being who's interested in this game and SO AM I!" instead of as
13:39:42 <MekkisScreen_> Player v. Tournament Official) because I was afraid that it was "against
13:39:42 <MekkisScreen_> policy" or that it would create an appearance of favoritism. Instead, I
13:39:44 <MekkisScreen_> applied policy incorrectly and created the appearance that I hated all the
13:39:48 <MekkisScreen_> players. Oops.
13:42:05 <Hydrazine> whats that about?
13:42:28 <MekkisScreen_> mtg-judge
13:44:17 <Mort-> Lol
13:44:26 <Mort-> But yes
13:44:46 <Mort-> I'm gnome punting and paladin baiting
13:45:18 <Mort-> Heh
13:45:39 <Mort-> As i said i love paladins as a class. Except for their rp issues
13:46:55 <Hydrazine> same problem as superman, but without being super?
13:47:22 <Hydrazine> but lawful good is lawful great, mort
13:48:04 <Mort-> What?
13:48:20 <Mort-> I'm chaotic good ffs
13:48:36 <Hydrazine> that was my gaming crew's old paladin slogan
13:49:04 <Mort-> But gnome punting is an evil act
13:49:20 <Mort-> How cool is it to wear plate armor
13:49:36 <Mort-> Give your entire party saving throw bonus
13:49:41 <Mort-> Use clw wands
13:49:59 <Mort-> 16str and cha
13:50:09 <Mort-> Probably 12 dex 14 cons
13:50:22 <Mort-> Wis and int 10
13:50:37 <Mort-> Diplomacy ftw!
13:50:47 <MekkisScreen_> look at Asmel
13:50:54 <MekkisScreen_> !findchar Asmel
13:50:55 <diebot> MekkisScreen_, Character: Asmel, number: ( http://dnd.ballig.net/viewchar.php5?char= )
13:51:00 <MekkisScreen_> !findchar asmel
13:51:01 <diebot> MekkisScreen_, Character: asmel, number: ( http://dnd.ballig.net/viewchar.php5?char= )
13:51:42 <WooMod> diplomacy is OP :D
13:52:42 <Hydrazine> my diplomacy saved the party yesterday
13:53:28 <Hydrazine> we were this close to being mauled by a tiger.
13:53:36 <Hydrazine> more specifically, mauled again by a tiger.
13:53:49 <Hydrazine> to completion, rather than a partial mauling.
13:53:58 <MekkisScreen_> http://nl.ti4200.info/~mekkis/Asmel_hellwick.pdf
13:56:03 <Mort-> Can't read it
13:56:58 <Mort-> But i can't stand paladins
13:57:05 <Mort-> Dragon bait :p
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14:05:08 <WooMod> death to the paladin hater!
14:05:39 <Mort-> Mek!
14:05:52 <Mort-> Did you get a clone?
14:06:03 * Mort- sulks
14:06:09 <Hydrazine> You playing, Woo?
14:06:21 <WooMod> playing what?
14:06:28 <Hydrazine> pfs? with us?
14:06:35 <WooMod> dun think so :P
14:06:41 <Hydrazine> why not?
14:06:56 <WooMod> ummm
14:07:02 <WooMod> this may in fact be a good question
14:07:08 <WooMod> could i be a beguiler?
14:07:25 <Hydrazine> i don't believe pfs lets you play monsters.
14:07:45 <Hydrazine> but i'm sure you can be very beguiling regardless.
14:07:51 <WooMod> nah beguiler was a class in 3.5e
14:07:57 <WooMod> it was ALL ILLIUSIONS ALL THE TIME
14:08:12 <WooMod> The GM i used to play 3e under banned me from it :(
14:08:19 <Hydrazine> sadly some of my favorite 3.5 classes didn't convert over.
14:08:28 <Hydrazine> like warmages and frenzy 'zerkers.
14:08:44 <WooMod> it's basically a warmage for illiusion/enchantment
14:09:08 <Hydrazine> but theres still some fun stuff in pfs.
14:09:15 <Hydrazine> i'm sure you can find something you're interested in.
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14:11:36 <WooMod> i could make a half assed beguiler out of a sorc i GUESS
14:11:53 <MekkisScreen_> or oracle
14:12:12 <Avatar-> core classes plus about 8 others
14:12:25 <Hydrazine> hmmm.
14:12:27 <Hydrazine> a witch?
14:12:53 <Avatar-> how about an illusionist wizard
14:13:16 <Avatar-> seems an obvious choice
14:13:20 <MekkisScreen_> eight?
14:13:48 <Avatar-> or nine
14:14:06 <Avatar-> not including prestige classes
14:14:09 <MekkisScreen_> depends if you countthe half-arsed ones like ninja and samarai
14:14:11 <Avatar-> or archetypes
14:14:23 <Avatar-> yeah man they count
14:14:36 <MekkisScreen_> cavalier, oracle, summoner, witch, gunslinger, magus
14:14:37 <MekkisScreen_> right>
14:14:40 <Avatar-> they don't not count just because you don't like them
14:15:01 <WooMod> whoah whoah, magus lets me make a proper swordmage?
14:15:07 <Hydrazine> thats the idea.
14:15:13 <Hydrazine> you can even go kensai for more sword and less mage.
14:15:15 <MekkisScreen_> it's the idea
14:15:18 <Avatar-> alchemist
14:15:21 <MekkisScreen_> the jury's out on whether it works
14:15:23 <MekkisScreen_> ah
14:15:30 <MekkisScreen_> I'll give you alchemist
14:15:38 <MekkisScreen_> I won't give you ninja and samarai
14:16:00 <Avatar-> I think it works
14:16:17 <MekkisScreen_> you can't multiclass rogue/ninja
14:16:23 <Hydrazine> we're seeing. someone's currently playing with a magus.
14:16:29 <MekkisScreen_> thus, ninja isn't a "real" class
14:16:30 <Avatar-> they count
14:16:32 <WooMod> ah well then
14:16:42 <Hydrazine> you can't?
14:16:49 <MekkisScreen_> nope
14:16:58 <MekkisScreen_> because it's an extended rogue variant
14:17:43 <Avatar-> just because it has a technicality that doesn't stack with rogue doesn't mean it's not a class
14:17:44 <Avatar-> it's considered a class
14:18:20 <MekkisScreen_> any class can be multiclassed with any other class
14:18:54 <Avatar-> it's considered a class
14:22:21 <WooMod> level?
14:22:23 <WooMod> 4?
14:28:21 <WooMod> bards can kill by performing seriously? hahahaha, that's great
14:28:52 <Hydrazine> can't you?
14:30:02 <WooMod> work damn it myth weavers
14:31:40 Avatar- has quit (Quit: go get analysed)
14:32:36 <MekkisScreen_> WooMod: use http://nl.ti4200.info/profiler
14:35:04 <WooMod> PB?
14:35:47 <WooMod> nm, i reverse engineed the paladin
14:35:56 <Mort-> I am a magus
14:36:16 * Mort- fluffs
14:37:05 <WooMod> and i'ma bard
14:37:07 <WooMod> :dwi:
14:45:41 <Avatar> so apparently when I said okay to meet up with someone about getting tips on writing a resume, I'd signed up a for a week-long course
14:45:55 <WooMod> haha
14:46:03 <WooMod> also fireworks count as an instrument right?
14:46:43 <Avatar> for what, inspire confidence
14:46:45 <Avatar> probably
14:46:57 <Hydrazine> lol.
14:47:35 <Avatar> perform (act)
14:48:06 <Avatar> you dont' really need more of an instrument than your own voice
14:48:11 <Hydrazine> hmm.
14:48:11 <Avatar> comedy is an 'instrument'
14:48:16 <Hydrazine> a comedian, pro heckler.
14:48:24 <Hydrazine> go around just making fun of your enemies all damn day.
14:48:27 <Avatar> how do you use the fireworks exactly
14:48:40 <Avatar> just setting them off to inspire confidence could be comedic
14:48:52 <Avatar> "Why are you lighting those skyrockets?"
14:48:56 <Avatar> "To inspire your confidence!"
14:49:03 <Hydrazine> talking smack about the bad guys to inspire confidence.
14:49:04 <Avatar> ba-dum ching
14:49:16 <Avatar> go to light another one
14:49:38 <Hydrazine> "look at that big old orc. you know what they say about orcs, right? the bigger they are, the smaller the peckers. See that axe hes carrying? Compensating, I tell you."
14:49:50 <Avatar> that actually would've been pretty close to the concept I had with Buck
14:49:57 <Avatar> if gunslinger didn't exist
14:50:12 <Hydrazine> then you found gunslinger and got distracted?
14:50:15 <WooMod> Perform (stage magic)
14:50:29 <Hydrazine> i'm considering how curious a life link based witch with huge con and some levels of barbarian might be.
14:51:03 <Avatar> what do you mean how curious
14:51:28 <Hydrazine> whether or not it would be effective.
14:51:45 <Avatar> should just say how effective
14:51:57 <Hydrazine> eh.
14:52:50 <MekkisScreen_>
14:52:59 <Hydrazine> thats what she said.
14:53:01 <MekkisScreen_> my gnome uses fireworks
14:53:14 <MekkisScreen_> is a firework one-handed?
14:53:36 <tristen> hey i've got some confusion about gaining feats
14:53:52 <MekkisScreen_> you get one at every odd level!
14:54:15 <tristen> and the bonus feats are above and beyond that?
14:54:43 <MekkisScreen_> yeah
14:54:52 <tristen> At 1st level, and at every even level thereafter, a fighter gains a bonus feat in addition to those gained from normal advancement (meaning that the fighter gains a feat at every level).
14:55:02 <tristen> cool mekks thanks
14:55:03 <Hydrazine> yes.
14:55:04 <MekkisScreen_> yeah
14:55:07 <tristen> strange thing is
14:55:25 <tristen> i haven't seen that "every odd level" written anywhere?
14:55:32 <tristen> but knowing me i've skimmed it
14:55:33 <Hydrazine> theres a chart for it.
14:55:37 <Hydrazine> in character advancement
14:55:53 <Hydrazine> includes the base stat additions at every 4 levels too.
14:56:28 <tristen> http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/character-advancement
14:56:29 <tristen> ah!
14:56:34 <tristen> yes cheers guys
14:56:46 <tristen> maybe i won't be retiring tasiv after all...
14:57:00 <tristen> i thought he only got the "bonus" feats (full stop)
14:57:08 <tristen> and i was like, this is shit
14:57:09 <MekkisScreen_> oh
14:57:20 <MekkisScreen_> !findchat Tasiv
14:57:26 <MekkisScreen_> !findchar Tasiv
14:57:27 <diebot> MekkisScreen_, Character: Tasiv, number: 328( http://dnd.ballig.net/viewchar.php5?char=328 )
14:57:56 <tristen> i need to assign two more feats to him i think
14:57:58 <tristen> he's level 5
14:58:00 <tristen> human
14:58:04 <tristen> with 3 feats
14:58:21 <tristen> 2 to start
14:58:22 <Hydrazine> i thought he was a ranger?
14:58:30 <Hydrazine> oh.
14:58:31 <Hydrazine> wow.
14:58:34 <Hydrazine> yeah, you're behind
14:58:39 <tristen> way way behind
14:58:40 <Hydrazine> ...you 'tard.
14:58:45 <tristen> i know man!
14:58:51 <tristen> disneyland
14:58:55 <Hydrazine> do i have to audit your charsheets?
14:59:07 <tristen> yes!
14:59:10 <Hydrazine> just to make sure you don't kick yourself in the face somehow?
14:59:14 <MekkisScreen_> heh
14:59:32 <tristen> auditing or not: that's highly likely to happen the moment i'm unattended
14:59:33 <Hydrazine> so what're you giving him?
14:59:40 <tristen> RAPID SHOT!
14:59:41 <tristen> lol
14:59:44 <MekkisScreen_> heh
14:59:55 <tristen> not sure about the other...
15:00:05 <MekkisScreen_> improved precise
15:00:06 <tristen> but right here and now that's a definite
15:00:12 <tristen> oooh
15:00:14 <tristen> i can get that?
15:00:21 <MekkisScreen_> ja
15:00:22 <Hydrazine> probably.
15:00:25 <WooMod> http://nl.ti4200.info/profiler/view.php?id=7
15:00:32 <tristen> i haven't applied his +1 to dex (at level 4) yet...
15:00:38 <tristen> 19 dex here we come
15:00:41 <Hydrazine> man you're terribad.
15:00:58 <tristen> hydra the mad thing is i already increased it
15:01:10 <tristen> and then decreased it because i thought i was cheating
15:01:12 <MekkisScreen_> WooMod: make it public
15:01:16 <WooMod> just did
15:01:18 <WooMod> http://nl.ti4200.info/profiler/view.php?id=7
15:01:30 <WooMod> i had to pull the versatile performer skills out of my bum
15:01:35 <WooMod> since they don't have stage magic
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15:01:52 <tristen> oh my gawd a bard?
15:01:54 <MekkisScreen_> ummm
15:02:00 <MekkisScreen_> you start from 1st
15:02:21 <tristen> hello btw woomod
15:02:41 <WooMod> no one told me starting level argh
15:02:41 <Hydrazine> hmmmm. that point buy looks a bit off at first glance. but i haven't pulled a calc yet.
15:02:52 <WooMod> i reverse engineered someone elses
15:03:00 <Hydrazine> dude.
15:03:03 <Hydrazine> we're here. we know stuff.
15:03:06 <Hydrazine> ask questions
15:03:15 <Hydrazine> well. if its technical, don't ask tris.
15:03:16 <tristen> otherwise you'll wind up like me...
15:03:18 <MekkisScreen_> yeah
15:03:25 <MekkisScreen_> the point buy looks off
15:03:39 <WooMod> pointbuy?
15:03:45 <Hydrazine> yeah.
15:03:53 <tristen> http://www.d20pfsrd.com/basics-ability-scores/ability-scores
15:03:54 <Hydrazine> okay, we need to learn you some PFS.
15:04:09 <MekkisScreen_> 20 point buy
15:04:09 <tristen> woomod: "ability score costs"
15:04:23 <tristen> woomod: "High Fantasy 20points"
15:04:31 <tristen> woomod: knock yourself out!
15:04:37 <MekkisScreen_> ah
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15:04:55 <MekkisScreen_> you thought I didn't already apply the racial human +2
15:05:07 <WooMod> yep!
15:05:50 <WooMod> or more like
15:05:57 <WooMod> didn't know about it in the transition to pathfinder
15:06:11 <Hydrazine> theres alot of changes.
15:06:59 <WooMod> and there we go
15:07:23 <Hydrazine> and no, you can't take imp precise shot.
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15:08:20 <WooMod> bouncing boyfriend
15:08:30 <Nama_> hey
15:08:39 <Hydrazine> yo
15:08:43 <WooMod> wait
15:08:45 <WooMod> it says you left
15:08:47 <WooMod> i'm so confused
15:08:59 <Nama_> It was a ghost
15:09:05 <Nama_> wooOOoo
15:09:06 <WooMod> oooooo ghost boyfriend
15:10:02 <Hydrazine> necrophiliac.
15:10:17 <Nama_> So those perform and craft skills fly in PFS?
15:10:32 <MekkisScreen_> yeah
15:10:33 <Nama_> I thought that would be a sticking point
15:10:41 <MekkisScreen_> mmm?
15:10:49 <WooMod> who has an issue with fireworks and stage magic
15:10:55 <Hydrazine> well, you can't really use the craft skills to actually craft and use items, right?
15:10:58 <Nama_> perform (stage magic) and craft (fireworks)
15:11:01 <MekkisScreen_> I don't
15:11:36 <WooMod> i sure hope i can, need fireworks errday
15:12:59 <MekkisScreen_> you can't actually craft things
15:13:17 <WooMod> whhhhaaaa?
15:13:25 <WooMod> i'm confus
15:13:25 <Nama_> Wouldn't perform (stage magic) be useless in most non-actually-performing situations because of Prestidigitation
15:13:51 <MekkisScreen_> get the Guide
15:14:02 <MekkisScreen_> someone get the link
15:14:16 <Hydrazine> its the one that says DON'T PANIC on the cover. In friendly looking letters.
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15:15:05 <Hydrazine> chat is french for cat. i don't know what french for lemur is.
15:17:34 <Nama_> I hope you guys don't take offense to me being predisposed against PFS
15:17:48 <WooMod> :P i have said nothing
15:17:56 <Nama_> I just don'tknow what to think about PF, and am not fond of Org play
15:18:10 <Hydrazine> eh.
15:18:25 <Hydrazine> if it makes you feel any better, i'm not particularly fond of the system either. but i'm trying to deal.
15:18:27 <Nama_> I have the beginner box, and playing in pathfinder with you guys will probably hinge on how I find that
15:19:27 <MekkisScreen_> did you play 3.5?
15:19:35 <Nama_> Only about 2-3 times
15:20:17 <Nama_> I played 2e when I was younger (my first dnd experience), and have played 4e for about 3+ years
15:20:23 <WooMod> me on the other hand, more than i cared to o_o
15:20:56 <Nama_> And so far from my experience, I like 4e more than anything I've played
15:21:28 <Nama_> I did have good dms in 3.5, but it seemed like the system was getting in their way morethanit helped
15:22:43 <Nama_> I had fun with their games, but they had to force it to be solmething it wasn't out of the box to do that, from what I could tel
15:23:27 <MekkisScreen_> hmmm
15:23:53 <Hydrazine> you're a fan of 4th ed?
15:24:05 <Hydrazine> i think you're the second 4th Ed fan I've ever met.
15:24:12 <WooMod> as am i
15:24:13 <Nama_> I am
15:24:31 <Nama_> Fans of each remain pretty secular
15:24:55 <Nama_> I came here because, fuck it, I wanted to talkto people about Dnd; edition didn't matter
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15:25:54 <MekkisScreen_> I'VE SEEN A FEW
15:25:56 <MekkisScreen_> H
15:26:02 <MekkisScreen_> stupid caps
15:26:46 <Namagem> I know that if I ever ran 3.5 I would either tear half the combat mechanics out (starting with the wizards), or I'd basically homebrew it to be 4e done in the 3.5 system
15:26:55 <Namagem> This is why I will not DM 3.5
15:27:19 <Hydrazine> i used to play alot of 3.5 and whitewolf d10 games in hawaii.
15:27:31 <Hydrazine> then i moved back home and i don't know anyone to play with locally.
15:27:36 <Hydrazine> so.. here i am.
15:27:40 <Namagem> From what I've seen in the beginner box at least, pathfinder got rid of some of the stumbling blocks
15:27:44 <Namagem> But not all of them
15:28:01 <Hydrazine> what parts of the rules bother you?
15:28:16 <Namagem> The parts that make the fighter suck, even in pathfinder
15:28:29 <Namagem> giving save bonuses =/= a class buff
15:28:39 <WooMod> o_o dispel magic.
15:29:06 <Namagem> What?
15:29:30 <WooMod> dispel magic bothers me o_o
15:30:22 <Hydrazine> actually pathfinder did a few good things for fighters that 3.5 didn't.
15:30:27 <Hydrazine> armor training in particular.
15:30:32 <Namagem> Yeah, I know that
15:31:01 <Namagem> But the fact that melee combat alwayswithout fail devolves into two people stuck in place using full attack
15:31:08 <Namagem> Bothers the fuck out of me
15:32:32 <MekkisScreen_> mounted charge with lance disagrees
15:32:44 <Namagem> And the fact that fighters are only good at combat, and they don't even really fill a good role
15:32:54 <Namagem> Well, that's a special build case
15:33:00 <Namagem> Like the spiked chain fighter
15:33:07 <Namagem> I don't count that
15:33:56 <Namagem> And it's still far less interesting than many of the things they COULD do with fighters
15:34:07 <MekkisScreen_> fighter is a really hard class to play
15:34:17 <Namagem> Only because it's terrible
15:34:22 <MekkisScreen_> no
15:34:26 <Namagem> :I
15:34:35 * WooMod looks at pathfinder society pdf
15:34:39 * WooMod eyes start to glaze over
15:34:41 <Namagem> Yeah
15:34:45 <MekkisScreen_> it's terrible if it isn't properly built
15:34:55 <Namagem> So system mastery?
15:35:12 <Namagem> If a class requires system mastery to play
15:35:15 <Namagem> It's a terrible class
15:35:25 <MekkisScreen_> pretty much. As a new player I'd recommend sorceror
15:35:41 <Namagem> It would help
15:36:02 <Namagem> If someone would actually teach me the fucking system instead of telling me to choose a pregen or build a character
15:36:11 <Namagem> So I know what my character can do
15:36:55 <Namagem> I hate choices in which you are obviously worse without system mastery
15:37:48 <Namagem> Forex
15:38:04 <Namagem> The character I madewhen prodded to make a character
15:38:04 <Hydrazine> Um. I don't think I understand quite what it is you want us to do. How can I help you?
15:38:09 <Namagem> Was a monk
15:38:21 <Namagem> The guide didn't tell me HOW to make a monk
15:38:33 <MekkisScreen_> oh no
15:38:42 <Namagem> Nor did it tell me explicitly what all the monk could do, or what I needed to be a monk
15:38:53 <Namagem> So I ended up making a terrible monk
15:38:58 <MekkisScreen_> monk's another of those "experience requires" classes
15:39:05 <Namagem> :I
15:39:08 <MekkisScreen_> my first character was a monk
15:39:13 <Namagem> Rogue? Ranger?
15:39:16 <Hydrazine> eh. i actually started 3.5 as a monk. i loved it.
15:39:19 <Namagem> Any of the non-magic character?
15:39:27 <tristen> bugger the pdf
15:39:31 <MekkisScreen_> ranger
15:39:42 <Namagem> Are any of the martial characters not terrible without expertise?
15:39:42 <tristen> just use this: http://www.d20pfsrd.com/
15:39:45 <MekkisScreen_> ranger
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15:39:55 <MekkisScreen_> gunslinger
15:39:55 <Hydrazine> it seems like reading through the list of monk class features and special abilties is what you're missing.
15:39:59 <MekkisScreen_> cavalier
15:40:03 <Namagem> No, hydra
15:40:04 <WooMod> no the society pdf makes my eyes glaze over
15:40:05 <Namagem> I did
15:40:08 <Namagem> Repeatedly
15:40:11 <Namagem> Every time I did
15:40:19 <MekkisScreen_> even pladin to one point
15:40:25 <Namagem> I found another clause that I missed that make a tiny bit of sense
15:40:28 <MekkisScreen_> some point...
15:40:53 <Namagem> I had to explicitly look to see what abilities I needed
15:41:08 <Namagem> And then, not knowing how combat worked because NO ONE TOLD ME
15:41:18 <Namagem> I unintentionally made him totally useless
15:41:27 <Namagem> By giving him a 10 str
15:41:53 <Hydrazine> if i tried to tell you how combat works, i don't believe i could do it without missing something vitally important. theres a reason its a rather large chapter in the book.
15:42:01 <Namagem> Exactly
15:42:14 <Namagem> Argh, okay, I'll calm down a bit
15:42:20 <Namagem> That just pissed me off so hard
15:42:37 <tristen> maybe this? http://www.d20pfsrd.com/gamemastering/combat
15:42:38 <Brunius> Weren't you the 4th ed guy?
15:42:43 <Namagem> I am, yes.
15:42:48 <Brunius> Surely combat can't be that different in 4th
15:42:52 <Namagem> :I
15:43:04 <MekkisScreen_> it is Brunius
15:43:08 <Namagem> COmbat as a whole, no
15:43:15 <WooMod> Broad strokes? No. Details, oh god yes.
15:43:15 <Namagem> But characters are
15:43:16 <Namagem> ^
15:44:05 <Namagem> Combat relys far more on tactical positioning and use of terrain advantage instead of pure number advantage in difficult situations
15:44:38 <Namagem> Wizards and other spellcasters can't trivialize quite as much (though they still can)
15:45:00 <Namagem> (for reasons that are hard to explain)
15:45:38 <Namagem> Everyone is relatively on par with everyone else; at the same time, they have things that make them different over all and unique
15:46:41 <Namagem> Melee combat is more mobile because full attacks don't exist (but fighters do more things), so you have ful mobility (ignoring AOOs)
15:46:46 <Namagem> On any given turn
15:47:23 <Namagem> Classes have similar HP normally, but that's because they have a resource that represents vast reserves of livelyhood
15:47:28 <Namagem> Healing surges
15:47:44 <WooMod> :I
15:47:55 <Namagem> Fighters typically don't have all that many more HP, which means that something that threatens the fighter, threatens everyone else
15:48:24 <Namagem> But the fighter is still healthier because he has more surges on average (not always, though)
15:49:15 <Namagem> Surges mechanically represent healing potential; each one is 1/4 your hp
15:49:54 <Namagem> You can heal yourself once in a battle, but it requires your standard action (and to make it appealing, gives you a bonus to defenses)
15:50:06 <WooMod> nama
15:50:07 <WooMod> sweetie
15:50:13 <WooMod> you don't need to explain 4e in detail
15:50:17 <Namagem> Healers can give you bonus healing on your surge, and can let you spend more of them
15:50:25 <Namagem> He asked how 4e combat was different
15:50:27 <Namagem> :p
15:50:40 <Namagem> I'll stop
15:50:43 <Namagem> You get the idea
15:50:47 <Hydrazine> so how did you learn how 4th ed combat works?
15:51:02 <Namagem> I was taught by a DM in the game
15:51:09 <Namagem> It is actually pretty intuitive
15:51:15 <Hydrazine> ..so you played some and learned while doing it?
15:51:23 <Namagem> Yeah
15:51:33 <Hydrazine> And you expect to learn everything without playing now?
15:51:34 <Namagem> The reason I could was because of the character builder
15:51:52 <Namagem> It explained everything I needed to know mechanically about my character before I played
15:52:25 <Hydrazine> I don't know what that is. Is there something online you could show me, to give me an idea?
15:52:31 <Namagem> If I didn't have that, I would have had to have a DM there with me helping explain, which I've done
15:52:36 <Namagem> uh
15:52:44 <Hydrazine> Well. We're here.
15:52:46 <Namagem> one second, do you want a download?
15:53:04 <Hydrazine> Most of us have the books open, or just memorized half of it.
15:53:04 <Hydrazine> Sure.
15:53:29 <WooMod> The charecter builder is like, the holy grail of 4e. It's the entire rulebook(s) and well charecter builder as a well organized program.
15:53:44 <Hydrazine> You can ask Tris and Mort how I feel about helping people fix stuff. I'm here pretty regularly.
15:54:13 <Namagem> The thing is, you're telling me to ask questions when I don't know what questions need asked
15:54:15 <Avatar> how do you feel about helping people fix stuff
15:54:38 <Avatar> you like it as far as I can tell
15:55:02 <Hydrazine> i do. i like teaching. if you ever want to know how atoms stay together, let me know.
15:55:14 <Hydrazine> provided you understand it'll take a while.
15:55:19 <Brunius> Hydrazine, how do atoms stay together
15:55:27 <Avatar> please don't explain atomic theory
15:55:28 <Hydrazine> ...not now. ask agian later.
15:55:37 <Brunius> Need time to look up wikipedia?
15:55:45 <WooMod> Hydrazine, please explain ubiqituous concioussness theory.
15:55:50 <Hydrazine> i'm busy trying to help these 4th ed converts.
15:55:52 <Namagem> Now I'm imagining hydra as a magic 8 ball filled with every fact ever
15:55:54 <Brunius> I actually know the theory, we did it last year in science
15:56:07 <Brunius> Hydrazine, what is the third planet of kepler-22
15:56:09 <Namagem> Also in short Strong Force
15:56:12 <Hydrazine> Nama: sure I'll take a download.
15:56:15 <tristen> brunius: some kind of space-glue?
15:56:25 <WooMod> dear magic hydra ball, did pathfinder fix dispel magic so it doesn't make me cry and take 30 minutes to resolve.
15:56:31 <Brunius> Atomic bonding, IIRC
15:57:11 <Hydrazine> not really. dispel's still slow i think.
15:57:38 <Namagem> One problem with this is that the character builder (we're refering to the offline one) was stopped being supported in favor of a worse online one
15:57:56 <Namagem> The fans have kept the offline one up to date, but it requires finagling
15:58:52 <tristen> fwiw i quite enjoy the learning experience
15:58:53 <Avatar> what is special about character builder
15:58:54 <WooMod> actually, yes they did
15:59:11 <Avatar> I ask without having any idea what it is
15:59:37 <Namagem> Basically, it does literally all the math for you, and makes character building ridiculously simple
15:59:52 <Namagem> It has all the feats, races, classes, etc coded in
15:59:58 <Namagem> Along with all the eratta
16:00:52 <Avatar> I've seen something like that for pathfinder
16:01:00 <Namagem> Nothing to this extreme
16:01:04 <Avatar> combat manager
16:01:11 <Namagem> You guys don't have anything against piracy, do you?
16:01:13 <Avatar> it does exactly what you're talking about
16:01:25 <Namagem> http://bitsnoop.com/dd-4e-character-builder-update-octo-q18080472.html
16:01:30 <Namagem> It's a torrent
16:01:54 <Avatar> 404
16:02:16 <Avatar> when you click download torrent
16:02:25 <Namagem> http://bitsnoop.com/usenet_dl/362559ca84fa607ffc91096de8de7389a8fe17eb/DD%204E%20Character%20Builder%20Update%20October%202010/
16:02:27 <Namagem> Try that
16:03:09 <Namagem> It works for me
17:06:50 <Avatar> so do all the books
17:07:08 <Brunius> !findchar Merchen
17:07:09 <diebot> Brunius, Character: Merchen, number: 153( http://dnd.ballig.net/viewchar.php5?char=153 )
17:07:19 <tristen> new char brun?
17:07:38 <Avatar> old char
17:07:46 <tristen> aye
17:07:47 <Brunius> First 3.5 char I made
17:07:51 <Brunius> Died to a shadow
17:08:13 <tristen> fking shadows
17:08:28 <Avatar> those fks
17:08:29 <tristen> "where's all my con gone?"
17:08:32 <Namagem> Avatar
17:08:38 <Namagem> Not pathfinder
17:08:42 <Namagem> According to the monk
17:08:45 <Avatar> yes pathfinder
17:09:03 <Namagem> If you need a thorough understanding of a class before making it
17:09:05 <Namagem> There's a problem
17:09:21 <Namagem> Especially for first time players
17:09:31 <Avatar> I think you've gotten too used to the fact that every class has at-will, encounter and daily powers
17:09:46 <Avatar> technically every class has that in pathfinder as well, although they don't say that explicitly
17:10:08 <Namagem> Not really
17:10:25 <Namagem> I've gotten too used to the book telling you what your character needs to be competant
17:10:26 <Namagem> Which
17:10:30 <Namagem> I don't think is a bad thing
17:10:56 <Brunius> Maybe I should take Toughness
17:11:00 <Avatar> well it allows for customisation
17:11:11 <Avatar> any character is really competent
17:11:30 <Namagem> No
17:11:35 <Namagem> It allows for optimization
17:11:38 <Namagem> There's a difference
17:11:43 <Hydrazine> i'd like to see this monk you made up.
17:11:45 <Avatar> obviously a fighter who puts points into intelligence and takes spell focus isnt' going to be as competent as one who does it properly
17:11:55 <WooMod> :-/
17:12:06 <Namagem> Customization occurs when characters are equally good and have options that represent that in different ways
17:12:21 <Brunius> Silly Avatar
17:12:22 <Avatar> I've got a feeling you were bullied into having a more optimised build than you wanted
17:12:30 <Namagem> Not even that
17:12:36 <Brunius> Everyone knows that fighters should put feats into spell penetration
17:12:38 <Brunius> not focus
17:12:52 <WooMod> hehe that's funny
17:13:19 <Avatar> you won't get perfectly equal even in 4e
17:13:32 <WooMod> Well, no you won't.
17:13:51 <WooMod> But you will generally get competent without worrying about optimization.
17:14:13 <Avatar> I think we need to see this monk
17:14:43 <Avatar> what was wrong with him exactly
17:14:50 <AndChat|> It went waay above my head
17:17:48 <Avatar> ???
17:18:57 <Avatar> profit
17:20:11 <Namagem> Here
17:20:12 <Namagem> http://www.mediafire.com/?igvoa6yd6q9126l
17:20:23 <mort-> Looks like 4.0=easy mode?
17:20:31 <Namagem> It's dead, nvmd
17:20:33 <Namagem> and not really
17:21:09 <WooMod> Are we really gonna talk about easy mode wrt a social activity like roleplaying?
17:21:13 <Namagem> ^
17:21:35 <mort-> Hydra I'm on cell
17:21:53 <Hydrazine> not important.
17:21:58 <mort-> Create a little channel pop love talk :d
17:22:00 <mort-> For
17:22:00 <Hydrazine> i'll talk at you later.
17:22:04 <mort-> Lol
17:22:11 <mort-> I will be out the whole day
17:22:39 <Hydrazine> hey brunius, do you understand binding energy per nucleon then?
17:23:02 <mort-> Hydra
17:23:17 <mort-> The usual channel :p
17:27:52 <Hydrazine> reason for the line of stability?
17:28:07 <mort-> Lol
17:30:00 <Hydrazine> if it makes you feel any better, my first pfs char is crap too. its why hes benched.
17:30:13 <Hydrazine> but i played a game with him to check first.
17:32:49 <Avatar> what's wrong with him
17:32:50 <***> Buffer Playback...
17:32:50 <***> Playback Complete.
17:32:55 <Hydrazine> is there a difference between disarming with a longsword, with no specific benefits to it from the longsword it self, and disarming without particularly using the longsword for it?
17:33:09 <Avatar> why would you not use the longsword to trip if you've got a bonus with it
17:33:29 <Ballig> you would get weapon-specific bonuses like weapon focus (longsword)
17:33:32 <Avatar> trip/disarm
17:33:53 <Hydrazine> actually nothing. theres probably a niche when he might be great in a party.
17:34:12 <Hydrazine> aslong as the rest of the team is rather combat strong.
17:34:40 <Ballig> When you attempt to perform a combat maneuver,
17:34:41 <Ballig> make an attack roll and add your CMB in place of your
17:34:41 <Ballig> normal attack bonus. Add any bonuses you currently have
17:34:41 <Ballig> on attack rolls due to spells, feats, and other effects. These
17:34:41 <Ballig> bonuses must be applicable to the weapon or attack used to
17:34:41 <Ballig> perform the maneuver.
17:34:55 <Hydrazine> and the proposed plan i had to further him just isn't going to work. thats more of why hes benched than anything else.
17:35:05 <Ballig> note that disarm is "attempt to disarm your opponent in place of a melee attack"
17:35:08 <Ballig> hence you get your attack bonuses for the weapon you're using
17:35:13 <Ballig> grapple is a standard action
17:35:19 <Avatar> what was your plan
17:35:20 <Ballig> trip is also in place of a melee attack
17:35:41 <Ballig> so disarm and trip are specifically attacks, while grapple is a standard action
17:35:46 <Hydrazine> hm. alright. i get it.
17:36:07 <Hydrazine> my bad. thanks.
17:36:08 <Ballig> it's also why you can trip/disarm as an AOO, but can't grapple as an AOO (unless it's from the /grab/ ability)
17:36:55 <Brunius> Hydra: Is that like O2+ H1- and stuff?
17:36:58 <Hydrazine> to be effective as a crossbow using rogue. including working out how to sneak attack with it on a regular basis.
17:37:00 <Hydrazine> does the standard action/ attack action difference affect the bonuses though?
17:37:06 <Hydrazine> it doesn't, i think?
17:37:08 <Hydrazine> no, Brunius.
17:37:20 <Ballig> I think it would, but it's open to interpretation
17:37:27 <Ballig> I think it would because it says 'these bonuses must be applicable to the weapon or attack used"
17:37:27 <Hydrazine> how so?
17:37:31 <Hydrazine> Binding energy is the energy difference between an atom and the equivalent loose particles.
17:37:32 <Ballig> but I feel that with a grapple, you aren't making an attack
17:37:34 <Ballig> because it's a standard action
17:37:54 <mort-> Oh dear
17:37:59 <Hydrazine> but you still 'make an attack roll'
17:38:03 <Hydrazine> the difference between Carbon-12 and 6 protons, 6 neutrons, and 6 electrons.
17:38:06 <Ballig> you make a CMB roll
17:38:09 <Hydrazine> with the weapon and bonuses and feats and so on
17:38:11 <Brunius> Oh
17:38:16 <Brunius> We're doing that at the moment I think
17:38:22 <Hydrazine> ah. cool.
17:40:04 <Hydrazine> binding energy is why Be-8 doesn't exist!
17:41:20 * mort- snores
17:47:41 <Hydrazine> hey ballig
17:47:49 <Ballig> sup
17:47:51 <Hydrazine> can you throw me a link to that nifty pdf charsheet thing you were working on?
17:48:19 <Hydrazine> i'd like to use it for some scheming. even if it can't export properly
17:49:20 <Ballig> http://dnd.ballig.net/pfcharsheet_v1.1.pdf
17:49:23 <Ballig> if you use foxit it'll export
17:49:42 <Ballig> (foxit is superior anyway)
17:55:36 <tristen> combining this with an arrow of slaying could hurt a lot: http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/combat-feats/pinpoint-targeting-combat---final
17:56:06 <Ballig> minimum level 16 though
17:56:18 <tristen> not with a ranger!
17:56:18 <Ballig> a potion of true strike would do better
17:56:25 <Ballig> can rangers ignore prerequisites
17:56:40 <tristen> on that one
17:56:50 <tristen> hmmm potion of true strike hey?
17:56:55 <tristen> lemme see...
17:57:26 <Hydrazine> ranger combat style feats, ballig. yes.
17:57:36 <tristen> holy smokes level 1 potion?
17:57:51 <tristen> +20 on attack?
17:57:52 <Ballig> yeah but it takes a standard action to drink it
17:58:12 <tristen> if it took 5 rounds to drink the bloody thing it'd be worth it
17:58:29 <Ballig> it's only for one attack :p
17:58:41 <tristen> that's all you need with an arrow of slaying...
17:58:44 <Ballig> yeah
17:58:50 <Ballig> with an arrow of slaying it works
17:58:57 <tristen> sheeeeyit
17:59:21 <Ballig> but that's an expensive kill
17:59:41 <tristen> bosskill perhaps...
17:59:51 <tristen> i'll buy up and save it for when the shit hits the fan
18:00:04 <Ballig> by that stage a DC 20 fortitude save might not be that hard to meet
18:00:21 <tristen> yep
18:00:26 <Ballig> (that's a bad thing)
18:00:30 <tristen> yep
18:00:44 <Ballig> too bad sleep arrows are only DC 11
18:02:06 <Brunius> Spam enough arrows and he'll fail sometime
18:02:08 <tristen> yeah and 2k for an arrow specific to A creature type...like you said: expensive
18:02:20 <Ballig> Brunius: the arrow costs over 2k
18:02:26 <Ballig> do you want to spam something that is over 2k? :p
18:02:29 <Brunius> Sleep arrows I mean
18:02:34 <Ballig> ah
18:02:36 <Ballig> even they are like 200 gold each
18:02:45 <Ballig> sorry, 132
18:02:51 <Ballig> still high for spamming though
18:04:40 <tristen> fort save of 11?
18:05:03 <Brunius> I hope my physics teacher gets back soon
18:05:11 <Brunius> It's getting kinda boring in physics class
18:05:21 <tristen> strangely crap for the cost
18:05:29 <Ballig> will save of 11
18:06:05 <tristen> k, yeah you could use it on rabble perhaps, but you can just shoot rabble...
18:06:14 <tristen> with normal arrows i mean
18:06:24 <Ballig> yeah
18:06:37 <Ballig> even against rabble it will fail more than half the time
18:06:49 <mort-> Ew
18:07:07 <tristen> yeah it stinks
18:16:39 <Avatar> play some pathfinder
18:17:50 <mort-> Sorry I'm at work
18:20:08 <Avatar> no, brunius
18:20:09 <Avatar> in physics
18:20:26 <Avatar> wait a minute
18:20:32 <Avatar> are you in brunius' physics class ??
18:20:59 <Brunius> PFS in 50 minutes...
18:21:00 <Brunius> Hmmm
18:21:32 <Hydrazine> hmm.
18:21:36 <Avatar> ah but what if they roll a 1.... ?
18:21:37 <Hydrazine> does weapon focus apply to cmb?
18:21:59 <Ballig> if you use a weapon to perform it, yeah
18:22:10 <Brunius> get swordbreaker dagger
18:22:16 <Hydrazine> unarmed and grapple?
18:22:31 <Ballig> unarmed and grapple?
18:22:35 <Ballig> I don't think so
18:22:37 <Hydrazine> why not?
18:22:46 <Ballig> the rulebook only talks about weapon bonuses
18:22:48 <Ballig> what if you use a regular attack and you roll a 20?
18:22:54 <Ballig> it's not clear just how unarmed and grapple work together
18:22:55 <Ballig> you might not need to waste a 132gp arrow at all
18:23:04 <Ballig> like are you really performing an unarmed strike
18:23:11 <Ballig> whereas with tripping with a weapon you're clearly attacking their legs or whatever
18:23:38 <Avatar> ah but what if they have 15hp ?
18:23:47 <Hydrazine> if you're not using a weapon at all, its pretty clear that you are grappling with your unarmed combating skills.
18:23:52 <Ballig> what about it?
18:23:53 <Hydrazine> as opposed to any weapon skils.
18:24:00 <Avatar> then you will not fell them in one hit !!
18:24:02 * mort- gets hit by an arrow and passes out
18:24:04 <mort-> Lol
18:24:05 <Ballig> longbow does x3
18:24:12 <Ballig> 1d8+<strength modifier>*3
18:24:17 <Avatar> that requires the arrow to hit also
18:24:19 <Ballig> how could you not fell them with one arrow
18:24:23 <Avatar> one 20 is not enough !
18:24:28 <Avatar> therefore the sleep arrow is better
18:24:30 <Ballig> the 20 is a hit
18:24:37 <Avatar> yeah but you are talking x3's
18:24:43 <Ballig> yes, critical hit
18:24:44 <Ballig> with a 20
18:24:46 <Avatar> the arrow must crit AND hit
18:24:49 <Avatar> 2 dice rolls
18:24:52 <tristen> !throw 3#1d8+2
18:24:53 <diebot> tristen, 3#1d8+2: [1d8=5] 7, [1d8=2] 4, [1d8=6] 8
18:24:57 <tristen> dead XD
18:25:00 <Ballig> that's your interpretation
18:25:03 <Ballig> yes, and if you use a sleep arrow you have to hit AND they have to fail their save
18:25:03 <Avatar> no only 7
18:25:05 <Ballig> 2 dice rolls
18:25:17 <Avatar> no they can retrieve the missed sleep arrow if it misses
18:25:26 <Ballig> it's still two dice rolls
18:25:35 <Ballig> you can retrieve the regular arrow if it misses too
18:25:44 <Avatar> but they can retrieve the arrow
18:25:55 <Ballig> yes
18:25:56 <Ballig> exactly
18:25:58 <Avatar> they cannot retrieve an arrow if it hits
18:26:09 <Ballig> so what you're saying is that a regular arrow is better
18:26:16 <Avatar> no
18:26:23 <Avatar> the sleep arrow is better
18:26:31 <Avatar> it will put them to sleep with a DC 11
18:26:47 <Ballig> if it hits
18:26:47 <Ballig> and if they fail
18:26:52 <Ballig> or you can roll a 20, and confirm, and kill them
18:26:57 <Ballig> bam, saved yourself 132 gold
18:27:01 <Avatar> ah but that requires you to confirm
18:27:08 <Ballig> and the sleep arrow requires them to fail their save
18:27:09 <Ballig> ah
18:27:32 <Hydrazine> i disagree with your example. tripping someone while you're holding a longsword doesn't necessarily mean that you are tripping them WITH the longsword. Only that you are tripping them, and happen to be holding a longsword.
18:27:37 <Avatar> and if they fail...zzzzzzzzz !
18:27:38 <tristen> it is better in that regard, but it just ain't cost effective
18:27:50 <Hydrazine> theres a comment about magic weapons applying the magic bonus to CMBs that relates, i think.
18:27:50 <Ballig> if you aren't using the weapon to perform the attack you don't get the weapon focus bonus
18:27:50 <mort-> Screw sleep
18:27:54 <Ballig> so that seems a bit moot
18:28:01 <mort-> :d
18:28:20 <Hydrazine> Whats the difference between tripping with a longsword and tripping while holding a longsword?
18:28:47 <Ballig> I don't know what you're asking
18:28:54 <Hydrazine> is there one?
18:29:07 <Ballig> from a rules perspective or from an IC perspective?
18:29:18 <Hydrazine> rules
18:29:25 <tristen> as a ranger i can cast read scroll or something, read a sleep scroll for 25gp (much slower but 1/5th the cost)?
18:29:35 <Ballig> none as far as I'm aware, except that if you use the longsword you get your longsword bonuses
18:29:43 <Hydrazine> longswords don't have tripping bonuses.
18:29:51 <Ballig> no weapon has tripping bonuses
18:30:08 <tristen> purely costwise...
18:30:10 <Ballig> the 'trip' condition of a weapon just lets you drop it instead of being tripped in return
18:30:17 <Ballig> it doesn't have a bonus to trip
18:30:25 <Hydrazine> okay. replace trip and longsword with disarm and a weapon with the disarm feature.
18:30:36 <mort-> !throw
18:30:40 <tristen> up?
18:30:47 <Hydrazine> or rather, specifically a weapon without the disarm feature.
18:30:56 <Brunius> !statroll
18:30:59 <Brunius> !stats
18:31:04 <Brunius> !rollthedice
18:31:10 <Brunius> !charstats
18:31:11 <mort-> !throw 1d20+3 lemurs don't fall asleep
18:31:11 <diebot> mort-, lemurs don't fall asleep: [1d20=18] 21
18:31:13 <Avatar> you should go arcane archer tristen
18:31:16 <Ballig> okay, so now what are you asking
18:31:20 <Brunius> Dammit, what was the command
18:31:20 <mort-> Yay
18:31:26 <mort-> They didn't fall asleep
18:31:29 <Avatar> is tasiv elf or half-elf
18:31:30 <Ballig> has to be an elf
18:31:33 <Ballig> he's human
18:31:43 <tristen> aye
18:32:00 <Avatar> I wouldn't go arcane archer anyway
18:32:01 <Hydrazine> is arcane archer actually worth a damn?
18:32:15 <tristen> hey i'm pretty bloody happy with oskar right now
18:32:38 <Brunius> !vchargen
18:32:39 <diebot> Brunius, 11(5,1,2,4), 12(5,4,1,3), 14(3,1,6,5), 15(5,4,6,1), 11(6,3,1,2), 13(3,4,2,6)
18:32:40 <Hydrazine> is he any sort of archetype or just a striaght fighter?
18:33:05 <tristen> archer archetype
18:33:24 <tristen> i'd like to experiment with the whole ranged disarm thing with oskar
18:33:31 <Hydrazine> ooh, you get to do cmbs with bows.
18:33:32 <Hydrazine> neat.
18:33:41 <Hydrazine> there were feats for that in 3.5.
18:33:42 <tristen> wind up with Greater Disarm
18:34:02 <mort-> What is the point you disarm some guy ahead of you
18:34:12 <Hydrazine> because jerus is fighting that guy.
18:34:16 <mort-> He picks up his sword and comes charging right back?
18:34:35 <tristen> http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/combat-feats/greater-disarm-combat---final
18:34:42 <mort-> If you want to disarm. Do it in style
18:34:54 <mort-> Get khaz invisible servants
18:34:57 <tristen> disarming with an arrow isn't in style?
18:35:04 <mort-> To steal their blades away :m
18:35:05 <Hydrazine> i think its pretty stylish.
18:35:08 <mort-> :d
18:35:11 <Hydrazine> you can do it around me anytime.
18:35:16 <mort-> You put it 5 ft
18:35:30 <mort-> If you get someone using mage hand on it
18:35:34 <mort-> Aka khaz
18:35:36 <Hydrazine> you don't really need to make it go anywhere if the victim's already in melee.
18:35:37 <WooMod> night yall 3:30 for me in america
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18:35:43 <mort-> You put it quite a bit further
18:36:26 <tristen> yeah good call mort - all the more reason for me to get one of those amulets of mage hand or something
18:36:30 <tristen> was it a ring?
18:36:44 <Avatar> tristen pick some traits man
18:36:45 <tristen> dunno there was one cropped up in a scenario somewhere
18:36:49 <mort-> Mage hand is a cantrip
18:37:01 <Ballig> hand of the mage
18:37:02 <Ballig> it's an amulet
18:37:03 <tristen> for a mage, yes
18:37:13 <tristen> right
18:37:22 <tristen> avatar: i know i know
18:37:24 <mort-> Khaz is mage enough for it ^^
18:37:37 <Avatar> it's always about you isn't it mort
18:37:41 <mort-> Picking things up from the ground
18:37:48 <mort-> Aoo?
18:37:48 <Ballig> mort-: you aren't always there, man
18:37:54 <mort-> Btw tristen
18:37:56 <Ballig> let tristen plan his characters based on his characters
18:38:02 <mort-> How about the gp club
18:38:03 <Ballig> not based on what might happen if you have one of your characters around
18:38:16 <tristen> the gp club? XD
18:38:17 <mort-> Ballig.
18:38:26 <mort-> You want to join? :p
18:38:27 <mort-> Lol
18:38:31 <Ballig> join what
18:38:41 <tristen> a club made of gold pieces? owch
18:38:45 <mort-> Gnome punting club!
18:38:48 <mort-> Lol
18:39:14 <Ballig> Bobbob is a gnome
18:39:32 <mort-> Urm
18:41:04 <Mekkis> unless you want to end up on the end of a lance, don't insult the gnomes
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19:06:30 <tristen> is that because it's "fan created"?
19:07:50 <Ballig> it's not fan created
19:07:53 <Ballig> it's just because it's specifically not allowed in PFS
19:08:31 <tristen> k
19:08:46 <Ballig> www.paizo.com/pathfinderSociety/resources/
19:08:46 <Ballig> I think
19:08:58 <Ballig> that tells you what's legal and what's not
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19:25:23 <Mekkis> no
19:25:24 <Mekkis> I haven't
19:27:23 <Brunius> Heirloom weapon is allowed
19:27:25 <Brunius> It's just severely nerfed
19:28:07 <Ballig> he meant rich parents was illegal for pfs
19:28:09 <Ballig> which is what was linked to
19:28:59 <Mekkis> I haven't played prince of augustana
19:34:00 <Brunius> What
19:34:07 <Brunius> A scenario you haven't played?
19:34:07 <Brunius> What is this?
19:34:32 <Brunius> Why is my internet speed fluctuating by 80kb
19:34:40 <Brunius> ./s
19:34:48 <Brunius> And why is my computer bothering to tell me?
19:43:01 <mort-> Damn recruiting for gp seems a hazardous business
19:43:04 <Avatar> yeah
19:43:27 <Ballig> when you try to recruit gnomes who can one-shot you, yes
19:44:03 <mort-> Sigh
19:44:12 <Avatar> bobbob will charge you and say "my my, how the tables have turned"
19:44:23 <Ballig> but I will say it after charging you
19:44:26 <mort-> Ok no to ballig and mek
19:44:27 <Ballig> so I will be saying it to bits of guts and brain
19:44:34 <mort-> Lol
19:44:35 <Avatar> "lets go bowling fellas ! ha ha!"
19:44:48 <mort-> Ill try dark white next time
19:44:58 <mort-> Tristen? :p
19:45:25 * mort- thinks tristen is a bit too sweet for gnome punting though
19:45:43 * tristen flutters his eyelids
19:45:51 <tristen> eyelashes even
19:46:04 <tristen> avatar what's your druids name?
19:46:40 <tristen> and did you upload a sheet?
19:47:09 <Mekkis> yeah
19:47:48 <Namagem> Post I found regarding 4e that makes a lot of sense to me:
19:48:09 <Namagem> "All I know about 4e is that the Penny Arcade D&D Podcasts were 4e games ... and awesome. It feels to me like a weird kind of throwback: a game system that looked at all the steps that game systems have taken away from wargaming-with-one-unit-per-player towards collaborative storytelling, and said, "hey, there are still a lot of people back there at the wargaming end - I'm going back." Only it brings every single thing that game designers have lea
19:48:09 <Namagem> rned about creating a tight, cinematic experience and brought that back with it.
19:48:10 <Namagem> I feel like the best analogy is that it is a reboot. But I don't read comics, so the best analogy to something I know about is that it is a new musical arrangement. Yeah, if you grew up listening to Nine Inch Nails playing "Hurt", Johnny Cash's version might sound really, really weird - but that's because it's coming from a different place, not because it isn't solid."
19:54:47 <Avatar> !findchar landruff
19:54:50 <diebot> Avatar, Character: landruff, number: ( http://dnd.ballig.net/viewchar.php5?char= )
19:54:54 <Avatar> !findchar Landruff
19:54:54 <diebot> Avatar, Character: Landruff, number: 359( http://dnd.ballig.net/viewchar.php5?char=359 )
19:54:59 <tristen> ah that's right!
19:55:17 <Brunius> He's a dog in the land
19:55:19 <tristen> WOOF
19:55:33 <Avatar> you're a dog in the land
19:56:53 <Brunius> Is it bad that I immediately linked land with magic
19:56:58 <Brunius> land with mana
19:57:02 <tristen> so brunius i'm interested in your next char
19:57:10 <tristen> whassitgonnabe?
19:57:21 <Brunius> He will be a gunslinger/duelist multiclass
19:57:25 <Brunius> Background is he's a pirate
19:57:26 <Brunius> Arrrr
19:57:30 <tristen> ah that's right buck jr
19:57:35 <Brunius> I'll probably get inner sea pirates
19:58:50 <Ballig> did someone else want to GM this sunday
19:59:04 <Ballig> I don't mind GMing again, but I don't want to hog sunday
19:59:06 <Brunius> I'm out of fresh scenarios to DM
19:59:18 <Brunius> I suppose I could buy one
19:59:24 <Brunius> But who buys fresh scenarios
19:59:52 <Ballig> have you played prince of augustana
19:59:53 <Ballig> Avatar, Brunius
19:59:56 <Brunius> Nope
20:00:01 <Ballig> Avatar?
20:01:18 <Ballig> I could run the frozen fingers of midnight, but Avatar has played it
20:04:22 <Brunius> I really should read the 4th ed rules some day
20:05:20 <tristen> hey mekkis "heirloom weapon" man
20:05:22 <tristen> http://www.d20pfsrd.com/traits/social-traits/rich-parents
20:05:30 <Hydrazine> illegal for pfs.
20:05:36 <tristen> oh!
20:05:41 <tristen> oh well...
20:12:45 <tristen> summary of differences: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Editions_of_Dungeons_%26_Dragons#Differences_from_Dungeons_.26_Dragons_v3.5
20:12:53 <tristen> may or may not help...
20:15:36 <Avatar> Brunius: didn't you roll up a character in kadrin's 4e game
20:15:53 <Brunius> Who's kadrin
20:16:21 <Avatar> he ran a 4e game in here with maptools
20:16:40 <Brunius> Didn't you guys abandon maptools before I arrived in here?
20:17:22 <Ballig> kadrin insisted on using maptools for his game
20:18:17 <Brunius> When was this?
20:18:31 <Avatar> june 2009
20:18:45 <Ballig> yeah before Brunius
20:18:53 <Brunius> I first logged in here about January 2010
20:19:14 <Avatar> that's what you get for not being in #d&d
20:19:21 <Avatar> miss out on some sweet games
20:19:27 <Brunius> It was the facebook ad that dragged me in
20:24:46 <Brunius> =IF(IT_New_work=0,build:D&D_char,do_work)
20:24:54 <Brunius> Oh god, what has excel done to me
20:40:17 <Namagem> Ooh, I've found a way to give you guys the character builder
20:40:21 <Namagem> Give me a minute
20:56:23 <Namagem> And by a minute I mean as long as It takes me to upload
20:59:19 <mort-> Ok so what happened while i was gone
20:59:32 <mort-> Did any gnomes steal my cookies?
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21:04:44 <Jaggedsoul> Ballig
21:04:51 <mort-> Hi jagged
21:04:52 <Avatar> good game guys thanks for playing
21:05:00 <Avatar> I'll get chronicle sheets ready soon OK
21:05:03 <mort-> Today has not been a good day for me
21:05:18 <Jaggedsoul> sorry to hear that mort
21:05:20 <Avatar> you'll do better next time mort
21:05:32 <Jaggedsoul> what happend?
21:05:36 <mort-> I got chased roc riding gnomes :(
21:05:48 <Avatar> mort almost fell to a gnome
21:05:49 <Jaggedsoul> lol
21:06:04 <Jaggedsoul> rofl
21:06:07 <mort-> And charging ones :(
21:06:27 <mort-> Its definitely not my day
21:07:21 <mort-> Ah well
21:08:12 <Jaggedsoul> Avatar, can you modify a character after its first ever game, or does it apply only to first steps?
21:08:38 <Avatar> you can mod it after its first ever game
21:08:47 <Jaggedsoul> ok cool
21:08:48 <mort-> Ah
21:09:13 <Jaggedsoul> bye guys
21:09:14 <mort-> Nah. Now i think back. I wouldn't change anything of khaz
21:09:27 <Jaggedsoul> need to wake up early
21:09:28 <mort-> The good the bad its all one :)
21:09:36 <mort-> But seriously speaking
21:10:07 <mort-> Transfering from comp
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21:10:19 <mort-> To down here is quite hard
21:10:26 <Namagem> As a DM, I would break the rules of PFS so quickly
21:10:32 <mort-> So many things the comp help you do
21:10:35 <Namagem> It'd be a world recond
21:10:39 <Namagem> record*
21:10:58 <mort-> That you never knew how the pen and paper stuff was computed
21:11:35 <mort-> At least what neverwinter nights taught me was what stats should be high and low
21:11:52 <mort-> I don't end up with a wizard on 12 int
21:12:51 <Namagem> Or a monk with a str of 10
21:12:58 <Namagem> :p
21:14:03 <mort-> Yeah i don't make those mistakes
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21:48:55 <Mekkis> AndChat|, stag helm
21:49:05 <Mekkis> 1/day make someone denied dex bonus
21:49:25 AndChat| is now known as mort-
21:49:26 <mort-> Get
21:49:41 <mort-> Your gnomes away from me :(
21:49:54 <Mekkis> Know your Gnomes!
21:50:03 <mort-> Gnomes are more evil then i thought
21:50:06 <Mekkis> that's what it says on the back of Gnomes of Golarion!
21:50:23 <mort-> Ballig threatened to lance me
21:50:31 <Mekkis> so did I!
21:50:44 <mort-> He only has one gnome
21:50:50 <Mekkis> One is enough
21:50:54 <Mekkis> when he has a lance
21:50:55 <mort-> You have more gnomes!
21:51:03 <Mekkis> so?
21:51:08 <mort-> he shouldn't had such a strong reaction :(
21:51:10 <Mekkis> 10339-2 Grolschmir
21:51:16 <Mekkis> 10339-4 Nightmare
21:51:22 <Mekkis> 10339-6 Itzamna
21:51:25 <mort-> You have too many gnomes
21:51:34 <mort-> Its made you fall
21:51:35 <Mekkis> 10339-8 Gnome with no name
21:51:43 <mort-> Lol
21:51:48 <Mekkis> (who has DM credit for playing First Steps)
21:52:43 <mort-> Yes
21:52:52 <mort-> Another gnome
21:53:01 <mort-> Yuck
21:53:03 <Mekkis> all my even numbered characters are gnomes
21:53:12 <Mekkis> mort-, you should fly to Melbourne for Conquest
21:53:16 <mort-> What are the stats of gnomes?
21:53:19 <mort-> I'm working
21:53:27 <Mekkis> it's on the Easter Weekend
21:53:42 <mort-> And youll get all the gnomes to come after me :(
21:53:55 <Mekkis> you'll meet John Deagon
21:54:03 <Mekkis> the famous gnome-hater
21:54:43 <Mekkis> gnomes
21:54:46 <Mekkis> their stats?
21:54:51 <Mekkis> +5 to awesomeness!
21:55:17 <Mekkis> +2 Constitution, +2 Charisma, –2 Strength: Gnomes are physically weak but surprisingly hardy, and their attitude
21:55:17 <Mekkis> makes them naturally agreeable.
21:55:24 <Mekkis> Small: Gnomes are Small creatures and gain a +1 size bonus to their AC, a +1 size bonus on attack rolls, a –1
21:55:24 <Mekkis> penalty to their Combat Maneuver Bonus and Combat Maneuver Defense, and a +4 size bonus on Stealth checks.
21:55:32 <mort-> Actually good sorcs
21:55:35 <Mekkis> Slow Speed: Gnomes have a base speed of 20 feet.
21:55:35 <Mekkis> Low-Light Vision: Gnomes can see twice as far as humans in conditions of dim light.
21:55:46 <Mekkis> Gnome Magic: Gnomes add +1 to the DC of any saving throws against illusion spells that they cast. Gnomes with a
21:55:46 <Mekkis> Charisma of 11 or higher also gain the following spell-like abilities: 1/day—dancing lights, ghost sound, prestidigitation,
21:55:46 <Mekkis> and speak with animals. The caster level for these effects is equal to the gnome’s level. The DC for these spells
21:55:46 <Mekkis> is equal to 10 + the spell’s level + the gnome’s Charisma modifier.
21:56:07 <mort-> Ya gnomes are born sorcs
21:56:27 <Mekkis> Illusion Resistance: Gnomes get a +2 racial saving throw bonus against illusion spells or effects.
21:56:27 <Mekkis> Keen Senses: Gnomes receive a +2 racial bonus on Perception skill checks.
21:56:30 <mort-> Oracle also very possible
21:56:49 <Mekkis> Obsessive: Gnomes receive a +2 racial bonus on a Craft or Profession skill of their choice.
21:56:49 <Mekkis> Weapon Familiarity: Gnomes treat any weapon with the word “gnome” in its name as a martial weapon.
21:57:16 <mort-> Yeah gnome sorc / oracle
21:57:43 <Mekkis> Eternal Hope: Gnomes rarely lose hope and are always confident that even hopeless situations will work out.
21:57:57 <Mekkis> Gnomes with this racial trait receive a +2 racial bonus on saving throws against fear and despair effects. Once per day, after rolling a 1 on a d20, the gnome may reroll and use the second result.
21:58:37 <Mekkis> mort-, also alchemist, ranger, druid, summoner
21:58:49 <mort-> Summoner yes
21:58:51 <Mekkis> fighter
21:58:54 <Mekkis> paladin!
21:59:08 <Mekkis> not monk
21:59:32 <mort-> Pally the str matters
21:59:46 <Mekkis> Grolschmir has 19 strength!
21:59:47 <mort-> Pally i rather go human
21:59:55 <Avatar> Mekkis: what's your phone
22:00:13 <mort-> Without equipment khaz has more str
22:00:15 <Mekkis> nokia N97 mini
22:00:16 <Mekkis> why?
22:00:28 <Avatar> someone I'm talking to wants to get a nokia phone and I have to talk her out of it
22:00:29 <Mekkis> mort-, Grolschmir can cast Bull's Strength!
22:00:35 <Mekkis> why?
22:00:47 <Avatar> because it's inferior
22:00:48 <mort-> So can khaz
22:00:54 <mort-> when he is of level
22:00:56 <Mekkis> no it isn't
22:01:07 <Avatar> it absolutely is
22:01:18 <Mekkis> it can run CA!
22:01:51 <Mekkis> can your phone?
22:03:52 <Namagem> Hey avatar
22:03:56 <Avatar> CA isn't made for it
22:03:59 <Namagem> Did you see my link to the character builder?
22:04:04 <Avatar> no
22:04:07 <Mekkis> yes it is, Avatar
22:04:08 <Namagem> http://www.mediafire.com/?iwfxl879858f5c4
22:04:11 <Avatar> I'll look later, i'm about to go to bed
22:04:49 <Avatar> even if CA did work, there's about 100 other reasons why nokia is inferior
22:05:06 <Mekkis> yeah
22:05:18 <Mekkis> the phones are made to last, so if you drop them, they'll keep working
22:05:26 <Mekkis> so you won't have an excuse to get a new one
22:05:36 <Avatar> android phones will keep working if you drop them
22:05:42 <Avatar> they won't slow down once they get too many messages
22:07:56 <Mekkis> the question shouldn't be "are they inferior"
22:08:09 <Mekkis> it should be "do they do everything she wants them to do"
22:08:13 <Mekkis> I mean
22:08:21 <Mekkis> my phone runs ssh, skype and CA
22:08:28 <Mekkis> I could play a session on it
22:08:33 <Mekkis> in fact - I have in the past
22:08:44 <Avatar> did it annoy anyone
22:08:49 <Mekkis> nope
22:08:53 <Avatar> when was it
22:09:13 <Mekkis> sometime last year
22:09:15 <Mekkis> LSK
22:11:06 <mort-> One thing on a comp
22:11:18 <mort-> You never learn combat manuevers
22:11:23 <Mekkis> ?
22:11:34 <mort-> In motb
22:11:40 <Mekkis> mort-, I learnt 3.5e GRAPPLE rules!
22:11:54 <mort-> Its just pure dmg al the way through
22:11:57 <mort-> Isn't it?
22:12:10 <Mekkis> no
22:12:21 <Mekkis> it's all in the PHB
22:12:30 <mort-> Phb?
22:12:36 <Mekkis> player's handbook
22:12:39 <Mekkis> not in the DMG
22:12:42 <mort-> I focused on dmg and not getting hit
22:12:50 <mort-> Damage
22:12:54 <mort-> Excuse me
22:12:59 <mort-> For motb
22:13:03 <Mekkis> the grapple rules are in the PHB, not the DMG
22:13:09 <mort-> Ah
22:13:23 <mort-> But i never remember getting grappled
22:13:40 <mort-> Level drain yes it happens
22:13:52 <Mekkis> Jasim grappled a demigod
22:14:12 <Mekkis> and WON!
22:15:43 <mort-> Lol
22:15:55 <mort-> I'm sure some people can
22:16:08 <mort-> If hydra plays a tetori
22:16:20 <mort-> he will grapple the fk out of any one
22:16:29 <mort-> Except a greased magus ^^
22:16:44 <mort-> Problem is i have to get greased first
22:17:31 <mort-> Probably a whole bunch of gnomes :(
22:17:45 <mort-> Lurking in the corner
22:22:45 <Namagem> avatar, brunius and anyone elseinterested:
22:22:47 <Namagem> http://www.mediafire.com/?iwfxl879858f5c4
22:23:28 <Mekkis> grappling changed a lot in Pathfinder
22:24:13 * mort- wishes hydra was here so she could plot her revenge on them with him
22:26:20 <Namagem> what's the point buy number used?
22:27:20 <Namagem> 20?
22:28:34 <mort-> Ya
22:28:35 <mort-> If you want stats for any class
22:28:35 <mort-> I could tell you what you should focus on
22:31:33 <mort-> Like how?
22:31:48 <Mekkis> D&D didn't have a CMB/CMD mechanic
22:31:58 <mort-> The problem with hydras monk
22:31:59 <Mekkis> it had a grapple modifier
22:32:06 <mort-> Ah
22:32:13 <Mekkis> and everything's an opposed grapple check
22:32:24 <Mekkis> so the probability is a bell curve, rather than straight
22:32:30 <mort-> Is he will have +7 for his grapple
22:32:41 <Mekkis> yeah
22:32:43 <mort-> While ill have 17 cmd
22:32:45 <Mekkis> that's a problem
22:32:51 <mort-> And to get his +7
22:33:09 <mort-> He needs to drop his dex to 14 i think
22:33:17 <mort-> Which gives him ac problems
22:33:29 <Mekkis> monks are hard
22:33:31 <Mekkis> very hard
22:33:34 <mort-> But once he grapples me
22:33:40 <mort-> I can't break free
22:33:42 <Mekkis> (that's one reason why I haven't tried making one)
22:33:44 <mort-> And i know it
22:34:08 <mort-> But if he fails next round i get oily and he can forget about it
22:34:51 <Namagem> 23
22:34:52 <Namagem> 6+5
22:35:02 <Namagem> What
22:35:09 <Namagem> Huh
22:35:25 <Namagem> My pillow smashed my keyboard and came up with that
22:36:16 <mort-> Wow damn funny a kensai monk lol
22:36:22 <mort-> 2 successive grapple checks
22:36:23 <mort-> Didn't even think they mixed
22:36:41 <mort-> Turn you into pinned condition?
22:36:50 <Mekkis> yeah
22:36:56 <Mekkis> a pinned cushion
22:37:00 <Mekkis> keep in mind
22:37:09 <Mekkis> he can charge you to get a +2 on his grapple
22:37:27 <mort-> That would suck big time
22:37:27 <Mekkis> or he can flurry to get more grapples
22:37:55 <mort-> But seriously khaz isn't one of the list of people who id like to grapple
22:38:01 <mort-> There are cooler people
22:38:04 <Mekkis> yeah
22:38:08 <AndChat|> My DM joked tonight that he was going to find a way to deny my dex bonus (have me trapped in a mud puddle ect.
22:38:11 <Mekkis> Khaz only deserves a lance to the chest
22:38:17 <AndChat|> Lol
22:38:31 <mort-> Because even if you grapple him he stabs you with his scimitar
22:38:36 * mort- wails
22:38:43 <mort-> Mek your mean
22:38:49 <mort-> I don't like you!
22:38:51 <mort-> Lol
22:38:52 <Mekkis> it's your gnomophobia!
22:38:58 <mort-> Haha
22:39:26 <mort-> But gnome mystic thurge with sorc and oracle would be fun
22:39:34 <Mekkis> ummm
22:39:38 <mort-> Again your first 8 levels aka
22:39:38 <Mekkis> Probably not
22:39:41 <Mekkis> at least not in PFS
22:39:53 <mort-> 3/4 of your pfs career
22:40:00 <mort-> Would suck big time
22:40:09 <mort-> So ya
22:40:11 <Mekkis> I'd say all of your PFS career
22:40:15 <Mekkis> don't mince words
22:40:19 <mort-> Lol
22:40:36 <mort-> I wonder when mystic theurges get usefum
22:40:45 <Mekkis> 24th level
22:40:45 <mort-> Ah well
22:40:51 <mort-> Really?
22:40:53 <Mekkis> yeah
22:42:00 <mort-> Aw
22:42:08 <Mekkis> ummm
22:42:10 <Mekkis> seriously
22:42:12 <Mekkis> 10th
22:42:15 <Mekkis> maybe 11th
22:42:48 <Mekkis> maybe 9th if you have a high (like 30) point buy
22:46:36 <mort-> I suppose a gnome sorc could colour spray the crap out of almost anyone
22:46:48 <mort-> Including his own party ^^
22:47:02 <mort-> Btw mek for fighter types
22:47:11 <mort-> What skills do you get
23:04:52 <Hydrazine> hi
23:30:40 <mort-> Hi :(
23:30:51 <mort-> Life hasn't been good to me :(
23:31:15 <mort-> Hydrazine
23:31:21 <mort-> i got lance threats from ballig
23:31:28 <mort-> i need grease and brace
23:33:34 <Hydrazine> how does grease help with getting lanced?
23:35:33 <mort-> You can't charge over slippery terrain!
23:35:50 <Hydrazine> you can if you fly!
23:35:55 <mort-> His paws are going to slip?
23:36:02 <mort-> don't suggest it :(
23:36:34 <mort-> He was eyeing those horseshoes of the zephyr
23:39:00 <Hydrazine> it does mean you still gotta watch out for grolshmir.
23:40:32 <mort-> Yeah. Gnomes are evil period
23:40:56 <mort-> Bobbob is easier to get away from.
23:41:06 <mort-> He isn't a caster
23:41:21 <mort-> so a nice vanish spell would do the trick
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