#d&d - 2012-02-09 - AustNet Archive Project

// #d&d — 2012-02-09

1996 1997 1998 1999 2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009 2010 2011 2012 2013 2014 2015 2016
Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29
« 2012-02-08 2012-02-10 »
16:27 Mort- has quit (Quit: )
22:20 Hydrazine has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds)
47:58 Thelen has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds)
52:12 Thelen ([email protected]) has joined #d&d
21:35 Topic for #d&d is: PFS: Sat 11am (Mekkis, new game) / Sun 10am (Ballig, new game) | CoTE: TBA | CoED: Wed 8th Feb 9pm || All times are AEDT (UTC+11:00) | D&D and Pathfinder Online http://dnd.ballig.net
21:35 Topic for #d&d set by Avatar at Tue Feb  7 22:46:33 2012
12:26 Hydrazine ([email protected]) has joined #d&d
43:57 S711 ([email protected]) has joined #d&d
46:57 <Hydrazine> hey S7. Sup?
56:41 Hydrazine has quit (Connection reset by peer)
00:18 Hydrazine ([email protected]) has joined #d&d
01:20 <S711> Tired.
01:45 <S711> Catching up. You?
02:31 <Hydrazine> Eh. Trying to find a jorb.
02:52 <Hydrazine> So far it looks like all my technical expertise amounts to shit.
16:06 <S711> What'd you study?
21:24 <Hydrazine> Did. Nuclear power in the service.
58:31 <Brunius> Apply at Chernobyl.
12:58 <Hydrazine> God. I can talk for hours on all the shit wrong with that plant.
13:17 <Hydrazine> I had access to pictures of their core when I was in training.
33:29 <Mekkis> what about fukushima?
29:57 <Hydrazine> that was all way after my training. i didn't get so much news about it. but i am a bit upset about some of their design.
58:50 <MekkisScreen> keep pumping water ot the reaction speeds up?
02:13 <Hydrazine> they lost power to pump water.
02:43 <Hydrazine> my plant, we had like 4 different ways to specifically not lose power to pump.
30:52 <MekkisScreen> doesn't that still go against the principle of failsafe?
45:18 <Hydrazine> i don't believe i understand the direction you're approaching this from.
45:28 <Hydrazine> elaborate?
49:48 <MekkisScreen> I was under the impression that the idea is that in the case of failure, the reaction should remain in a safe state, without anything running to keep it like that
50:44 <Hydrazine> the reaction being shut down and the need to pump water are seperate.
51:07 <Hydrazine> after you turn it off, it keeps producing heat for some time, and you still need to cool it down.
51:29 <Hydrazine> so the ability to end the reaction isn't in question. everyone except chernobyl got that part right.
51:40 <Hydrazine> its dealing with the decay heat that fucked up japan.
52:23 <Hydrazine> similarly, if you fry bacon on your stove and turn the stove off, its not quite a good idea to go ahead and stick your hand in there.
56:08 <MekkisScreen> ah
58:15 <Hydrazine> yeah. only chernobyl had trouble actually getting the nuclear reaction to stop. and thats because that plant was designed like shit.
03:28 <Hydrazine> Did you know the US Army had a reactor once? They broke it. Someone decided they don't get any more.
14:20 <MekkisScreen> so the BWR type isn't intrinsically bad?
39:12 <Hydrazine> no. not particularly.
42:12 <Hydrazine> I think I like the separation between the radioactive coolant and steam system that a pressurized water reactor has.
42:58 <Hydrazine> I think you're more likely to get airborne radioactivity with a BWR.
34:24 tristen ([email protected]) has joined #d&d
50:15 Nodwik ([email protected]) has joined #d&d
57:44 <MekkisScreen> moin
21:57 <tristen> heya
22:20 <tristen> hey mekkis
22:32 <tristen> you know the data you scrape from d20pfsrd
22:50 <tristen> do you scrape anything not in one of those dbs?
23:01 <tristen> like do you pull apart any html or anything?
23:07 <tristen> i've been thinking about doing that
23:20 <tristen> for skills and stuff...
35:08 <tristen> hey also, perhaps avatar on this one:
35:10 <tristen> http://www.journeyo.com/d20/traits.csp
35:42 <tristen> is that friendly? i wrote it because i got the shits trawling through pdfs and clicking on trait-by-trait to find out what they did...
36:33 <Hydrazine> Neat.
36:51 <tristen> cheers!
37:16 * Hydrazine gives it his personal stamp of approval. Whatever thats worth.
37:57 <Hydrazine> the descriptions aren't all that useful in the equipment section.
38:06 <Hydrazine> They don't put the actual benefit in black and white.
38:25 <tristen> on the d20 site?
38:38 <Hydrazine> traits - equipment
38:41 <tristen> oh
38:51 <Hydrazine> the basic and faction sections look good.
39:13 <Hydrazine> i haven't gone through the whole deal yet, but it looks like the whole equipment page is seriously lacking.
39:18 <tristen> k, i'll see what else i can present for equipment
39:27 <Hydrazine> Mind an example?
40:00 <Hydrazine> I've read quick learner before. it has something to do with the penalties for an improvised weapon changing after you swing it.
40:05 <tristen> one sec i'll get you to take another look...
40:07 <Hydrazine> but your link gives: Name	 	Quick Learner
40:08 <Hydrazine> Description	 	You’re skilled at learning the feel of a particular weapon after a few swings in combat.
40:22 <Hydrazine> See what I mean?
42:54 <tristen> k try again?
43:01 <tristen> re-click Equipment
43:12 <tristen> i got a bit more info to display 
43:53 <Hydrazine> Pro.
44:46 <Hydrazine> I believe there is a clause for Heirloom weapon that prevents you from using it to gain proficiency in an exotic weapon.
45:46 <Hydrazine> the only magic traits are dwarfish?
46:16 <tristen> ummmm one sec
46:34 <tristen> on the first one: yeah there's no data saying anything about exotic weapons...
46:52 <tristen> on the last one...maybe...i'll take a look....
47:31 <tristen> yeah it's funny
47:53 <tristen> there are a few under type "Basic" which have category "Magic"
48:09 <Hydrazine> from the /resources page:
48:10 <Hydrazine>  Characters with the heirloom weapon trait who gained the trait prior to 7/21/11 may keep the masterwork weapon granted by the previous version of the feat but lose all other benefits of the previous version of the trait, replacing them with one of the new granted benefits. If the selected weapon was an exotic weapon, you may retrain any existing feat with Exotic Weapon Proficiency or change the weapon type to a simple or martial weapon and ret
48:10 <Hydrazine> rain any feats dependent on the original weapon (such as Weapon Focus or Critical Focus) to the newly selected weapon. Any enhancement bonuses added to an exotic weapon transfer to the replacement martial or simple weapon if you take the second option. These changes to your character must be documented on a Chronicle sheet and initialed by a GM.
49:49 <Hydrazine> I know know all this because i considered using it with some low ninja tricks to do something ridiculous.
50:06 <tristen> heheh
51:26 <Hydrazine> use oversized weapon rules for the biggest one hander you can find.
51:51 <Hydrazine> swing a 2d8 two hander at -2.
54:33 <tristen> woah
56:23 <Hydrazine> See? Theres a reason that shit's illegal.
58:04 <tristen> yea
58:15 <tristen> hmm i dunno if i've messed that page up now...
58:27 <tristen> i might be displaying too much...
58:53 <tristen> like that 'Magic' section
00:01 <tristen> gah back to the drawing board for now...
05:39 <Hydrazine> why? I don't think its bad.
06:52 <MekkisScreen> I scraped the html from archives of nethys
07:49 <Avatar> tristen: unbold the description and make it a smaller font
08:15 <Avatar> and sort them by their requirement first, name second
09:04 <tristen> k
09:12 <tristen> you sure about that sort order though?
09:23 <tristen> it's a ctrl-f kind of page
10:39 <Avatar> yeah
10:48 <Avatar> keep the faction traits together, the race traits together
11:04 <Avatar> so you don't have to dart around the page looking for the same requirement that fits you
11:14 <tristen> k
11:48 <Avatar> might want to change the style of the requirement too
11:51 <Avatar> maybe just remove the bold
11:59 <tristen> yeah i'll lose the bold
15:26 <MekkisScreen> avatar wants everything my characters do to be illegal
15:40 <Hydrazine> oh baby.
15:52 <Avatar> what
16:10 <Avatar> I want it to be illegal for 1st level druids to fly
16:36 <Avatar> and for synthesists to get a +8 bonus to a skill
16:56 <Hydrazine> where does that come from anyway?
17:03 <MekkisScreen> you're such a hater
17:06 <Thelen> *caugh* Grolschmir
17:11 <Avatar> summoner synthesists 'meld' with their eidolon
17:19 <Avatar> eidolons have an evolution which gives them +8 to a skill
17:31 <Avatar> which is fine, because eidolons don't get skills as easily as characters
17:48 <Avatar> but the synthesist archetype breaks it, allowing that to be part of the summoner
18:02 <Avatar> so mekkis' level 2 synthesist has +21 to diplomacy
18:05 <tristen> avatar is that easier-on-the-eye?
18:57 <Avatar> the problem is you can't easily separate the text
19:09 <Avatar> did you do anything except unbold the first three fieldds
19:27 <Avatar> and the sorting
19:27 <tristen> changed the sort order
19:36 <tristen> unbolded everything i thought?
19:38 <Avatar> the flavour text isn't that important when you're choosing a trait
19:41 <tristen> didn't change the size
19:46 <Avatar> the requirement is still bolded
20:16 <Avatar> the benefit is more important than the flavour text
20:23 <Avatar> that's why it's better if the flavour text is smaller
20:32 <tristen> ah
20:33 <tristen> ok
20:43 <tristen> shall i make it smaller and put it at the bottom?
20:52 <Avatar> yeah maybe
21:37 <Avatar> maybe keep the trait name bolded
26:17 <tristen> k
26:33 <tristen> oh and small description one sec
28:30 <tristen> looks nicer yeah
34:11 <tristen> i think traits are a bit silly
34:15 <tristen> having read them
34:18 <tristen> a bit...
34:42 <tristen> i think traits should just simply be: choose two extra skills to be class skills
34:46 <tristen> done
34:59 <Hydrazine> doesn't do much good for a fighter.
35:11 <Hydrazine> unless you're packing a bunch of int, you won't get more than 3 anyway.
35:23 <tristen> skills and/or feats?
35:50 <Hydrazine> two extra feats would be overwhelmingly powerful.
35:51 <Avatar> can do plenty of good for a fighter, because they don't get many ranks to spend
35:58 <Avatar> making it a class skill is just an extra +3 to it
36:17 <Avatar> if you want a fighter thief, making sleight of hand a class skill will let you do it
36:27 <tristen> aye
36:36 <MekkisScreen> as I said, Avatar wants my characters to be illegal
36:45 <tristen> XD
36:51 <Avatar> there are some standout traits there worth choosing
37:02 <Avatar> that aren't makeitaclassskill ones
37:09 <Hydrazine> if you've only got two skill points to spend, one being perception and one extra, two extra ones considered class really doesn't excite me much.
37:26 <Avatar> depends how you want to build it
37:41 <Hydrazine> if you wanna make a fighter thief with sleight of hand.. take a level of rogue?
37:53 <Avatar> that costs a level instead of a trait
38:27 <Hydrazine> i think some of the traits are rather interesting.
38:39 <tristen> yeah they are
38:50 <tristen> but i think the more interesting ones should just be made skills?
39:00 <tristen> perhaps...
39:25 <tristen> anyhoo
40:45 <MekkisScreen> he's like, "only I should be able to do 60+ damage in a round"
40:46 <Avatar> tristen: that does look better
40:55 <tristen> cool
41:03 <Avatar> mekkis your character is pretty invincible
41:07 <Avatar> nobody else's is
42:19 <MekkisScreen> in some circumstances
42:34 <Avatar> in the vast majority of circumstances
42:54 <Thelen> the game the oter day showed how shit Buck is
43:11 <tristen> lol can you say that?
43:12 <Thelen> in comparison
43:17 <tristen> heheh
43:21 <Thelen> damn irc lost my typing
43:38 <Thelen> anyway, was going to say, in comparison to someone who can stay out of range all the time
43:47 <Thelen> and do charges that take it out of range
43:56 <Thelen> whereas buck needs to manually do that, and it won't always work
43:57 <tristen> wait a sec
44:00 <tristen> he stayed in range
44:10 <tristen> that doesn't mean his character is shit?
44:16 <tristen> he was eating the aoos
44:22 <tristen> or trying too
44:25 <tristen> or trying to
45:29 <tristen> he's got good movement on horseback no?
45:53 <Thelen> not shit, in comparison
46:08 <tristen> yep, in comparison
46:48 <Thelen> although most chars will have trouble with grapple
46:52 <tristen> !findchar Buck
46:56 <diebot> tristen, Character: Buck, number: 308title>( http://dnd.ballig.net/viewchar.php5?char=308title> )
47:16 <tristen> 40ft movement?
47:23 <tristen> on horseback? or on foot?
47:41 <Thelen> horse
47:59 <Avatar> that's a mistake
48:03 <Avatar> it's 30ft movement on foot
48:06 <tristen> 30ft movement on foot though
48:08 <Avatar> horse has 50ft movement
48:15 <tristen> right that's bloody quick no?
48:26 <tristen> he doesn't differ from any other ranged character
48:49 <tristen> unless he nails those horseshoes of speed to his cowboy boots!
51:03 <tristen> can you prevent ranged attacks from aoo-ing in melee?
51:10 <tristen> i think this has been discussed before...
51:22 <tristen> can't remember...
52:10 <Hydrazine> yes, tristen.
52:15 <Hydrazine> but it takes a few feats.
52:28 <Hydrazine> i think a fighter can do it at level 5, with dedication.
52:39 <tristen> which ones?
53:09 <Hydrazine> point blank master.
53:14 <Hydrazine> which takes weapon spec.
53:23 <tristen> ta!
53:28 <tristen> mental note to self...
53:45 <Hydrazine> need level 4 fighter to take weapon spec. so, level 5 can do it.
55:20 <tristen> got a link for that point blank master thing?
55:35 <tristen> its a feat you say?
55:41 <Hydrazine> http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/combat-feats/point-blank-master-combat
55:42 <MekkisScreen> !feat point blank master
56:36 <tristen> cheers
56:50 <Avatar> you planning on multiclassing to fighter tristen
56:57 <tristen> yeah mekkis it doesn't appear to be in the db
57:07 <tristen> no but i have specialisation in archery?
57:20 <tristen> or is that just a fighter thing?
57:44 <Hydrazine> i believe theres a few other ways to get the same effect.
57:54 <Hydrazine> but you have to be a 4th level fighter to take weapon spec.
58:30 <tristen> oh so the "combat style" of ranger doesn't count?
58:36 <MekkisScreen> should grolschmir take Death from Above, wheeling charge, orthrow anything at 7th?
58:52 <tristen> well mekkis i know which one sounds the coolest :)
59:11 <MekkisScreen> death from above!
01:47 <tristen> rangers suck
01:56 <tristen> they've neglected them
02:28 <tristen> why would a fighter get weapon specialisation at 4th and rangers not?
02:35 <tristen> i have to waste a feat just like anyone else
02:53 <MekkisScreen> tristen: it I could build grolschmir again, he'd be a ranger
03:11 <MekkisScreen> if*
03:19 <tristen> for the ranged attacks?
03:38 <MekkisScreen> it's more suited to him
03:57 <tristen> yes
04:14 <MekkisScreen> riding combat style
04:22 <MekkisScreen> beastmaster archtype
04:41 <MekkisScreen> maybe 10339-8 will be a roc-riding ranger
04:45 <tristen> what is he again - a cavalier?
04:55 <MekkisScreen> druid
05:00 <tristen> woah gnarly
05:16 <MekkisScreen> he was made just after APG was released
05:26 <MekkisScreen> so the plan was cavalier
05:46 <MekkisScreen> but rocs weren't allowed for cavaliers, so I made him a druid instead
06:26 <tristen> yep
07:12 <tristen> i've got to write a similar page for feats
07:14 <tristen> brb
13:08 <Avatar> tristen: your dice roller needs d% and d12
14:28 <tristen> lol my dice roller sucks
14:31 <tristen> http://www.journeyo.com/d20/feats.csp
14:37 <tristen> that's far more interesting ^^^
14:48 <tristen> but yeah i can do that dice rolling thing
14:51 <tristen> brb
18:17 <tristen> d12, d100 done :)
18:38 <tristen> does d100 need to be 1-100 or 0-99?
18:55 <Hydrazine> is a d12 0-11 or 1-12?
19:11 <tristen> now you're just messing with my head
19:36 <Hydrazine> is a d6 0-5?
20:05 <Avatar> 1-100
20:34 <tristen> hydrazine my brain left by the window 2 minutes ago
20:54 <tristen> it's just me now
21:09 <Avatar> brains are overrated anyway
21:23 <tristen> do you know: i actually got a d12 out to check it?
22:21 <tristen> so avatar that feats page...what needs changing?
22:30 <MekkisScreen> how random is your dice roller
23:04 <Thelen> haha
23:10 <tristen> just plain old javascript random
23:14 <Thelen> cat /dev/urandom
23:21 <MekkisScreen> yuck
23:22 <tristen> it's a fair question!
23:25 <tristen> i could ajax it
23:27 <tristen> but pffft
23:56 <MekkisScreen> Thelen: on xchat:/exec -o cat /dev/urandom
24:44 <tristen> lol
24:51 <tristen> i dare ya!
26:05 <Avatar> try reduce the size of the pre-reqs
26:26 <Avatar> would be better to separate it from the description
32:56 <tristen> howzat?
44:12 <Avatar> how's what
44:27 <Avatar> separate it from the description by reducing the size
45:02 <Avatar> I think you need to keep the word-prequisites there
45:15 <Avatar> I thought about removing the headings because you can tell what all of them are
45:25 <Avatar> except for the pre-reqs, so that probably isn't a good idea
47:03 <tristen> k
48:23 <tristen> i can remove them so you can see what they look like if you want?
48:35 <Avatar> try it
48:39 <tristen> one sec...
50:09 <tristen> howzat now?
50:18 <tristen> you're right - it speaks for itself
51:02 <tristen> just out of interest - is load time an issue? once you click on a category?
51:12 <tristen> or does it run fairly smoothly?
51:28 <tristen> my up-speed is about ~1.5 on a good day
53:46 <Avatar> runs fine
54:06 <tristen> goodo - and the format? ok?
54:10 <Avatar> yeah looks superior now
54:17 <tristen> sweet! cheers for that
54:39 <Avatar> if you're not going to put the full feat text, you'll want to link it to somewhere that does
55:19 <Avatar> cleave is a good example, if you look the full text and the summary text
55:23 <Avatar> mekkis tried to do the same thing
56:32 <tristen> yeah i don't get the full text in the db
56:38 <tristen> so i'll see what i can do to link it
56:48 <tristen> shouldnt be too tough...
56:54 <tristen> depends
56:56 <tristen> one sec
03:21 <tristen> gah they're inconsistent...
05:28 <MekkisScreen> cleave sort of sucks at 6th
08:42 <Avatar> why's that
10:00 <Brunius> Hydra: It was a test of the automatic cutoff features...they didn't work so well
10:18 <MekkisScreen> you normally prefer a full attack
10:49 <Avatar> you can still use it with a full attack
11:15 <Avatar> oh, single attack
11:51 <Avatar> still good if you can't make a full attack for some reason
12:05 <MekkisScreen> it becomes quite situational
12:32 <MekkisScreen> Avatar: could you remove CoED from the topic for now
12:48 <MekkisScreen> I won't be running it until I've read the new sanctioned module rules
13:10 Avatar has changed the topic to: PFS: Sat 11am (Mekkis, new game) / Sun 10am (Ballig, new game) | CoTE: TBA || All times are AEDT (UTC+11:00) | D&D and Pathfinder Online http://dnd.ballig.net
13:39 <MekkisScreen> Ballig: hat are you planning on running on Sunday?
13:52 <MekkisScreen> what*
13:58 <MekkisScreen> thanks for that Avatar
37:59 <Thelen> Mekkis but cleave allows a full strength attack
38:05 <Thelen> full attack the 2nd is much much weaker
40:45 <MekkisScreen> but if you miss on cleave, you automatically miss the second attack
40:55 <Thelen> yea
40:57 <MekkisScreen> full attack you make both attacks regardless
41:01 <Thelen> yup
41:09 <Thelen> but its like reverse power attack
41:14 <Thelen> you trade damage for more chance to hit
41:32 <MekkisScreen> if you roll like Tristan, you'll want to full attack :P
41:46 <MekkisScreen> why did you choose bastard sword, out of curiosity?
41:49 <Thelen> pregen
41:53 <MekkisScreen> ah
41:56 <MekkisScreen> ugh
42:01 <MekkisScreen> fair enough
42:38 <MekkisScreen> I hate d10s
42:41 <Thelen> might need to do the maths
42:42 <MekkisScreen> with a PASSION
42:44 <tristen> if you roll like me then God help us all
43:17 <Thelen> if you are next to 2 people
43:21 <MekkisScreen> I should look at Before the Dawn at 6-7
43:21 <MekkisScreen> I haven't looked itat it at that tier
43:31 <Thelen> and have 50% hit chance
43:33 <MekkisScreen> but it seems that that's what you'll be playing at
44:07 <Thelen> hmm
44:18 <Thelen> nah i think cleave works out way better
44:31 <Thelen> need to do the actual simulation though :/
02:55 <tristen> is buck and hitomi the same level?
03:35 <tristen> if so a shootout would be interesting!
33:47 <Mekkis> it would
33:53 <Mekkis> Grolschmir's also the same level
34:13 <Mekkis> I think Grolschmir vs Buck would be interesting
34:19 <Mekkis> it'd be a question of initiative
39:01 <tristen> oh i mean like have two rounds
39:17 <tristen> one where player a hacks away at player b
39:23 <tristen> count the number of rounds
39:30 <tristen> and then vice versa
39:40 <tristen> just to crunch the numbers
40:56 <Avatar> thank god I don't have to be a slave to zelda skyward sword anymore
40:58 <Avatar> finally finished it
41:53 <tristen> now it's YOUR bitch
42:23 <Avatar> now it's my bitch
42:48 <Avatar> it unlocked a hero mode where you can't get life as easily and everything does double damage and whatnot, but screw that
43:08 <tristen> yep!
44:55 <tristen> hey wanna see the latest, er, "cool" feature: http://www.journeyo.com/public/combat/pppgixwyqmfvchmhkzdlvrveywranv
45:11 <tristen> move the mouse and get the xy coordinates
49:07 <Avatar> that is cool
49:23 <Avatar> I thought about recommending that for CA but could never think of a good way to do it
53:10 <tristen> cheers!
54:02 <tristen> you can make npcs invisible now too!
54:04 <tristen> and disabled
54:31 <Avatar> I couldn't figure out how to put down a counter
54:39 <tristen> just click "add"
54:41 <Avatar> oh look, players, npc's
54:48 <tristen> aye
55:14 <tristen> and get rid of them just as quick by clicking that "X" link next to them...
55:36 <tristen> movement happens via that compass-thingie on the right
55:48 <tristen> but the player or npc has to be "selected"
56:01 <tristen> alternatively you can click the "warp" function
56:15 <tristen> and then any selected players/npcs will be warped to wheerever you click
56:25 <tristen> in formation too which is cool
56:27 <Avatar> the combat movement does seem quite slow
56:45 <tristen> yeah it has to "round-trip" to the server
56:50 <tristen> and then load a new layer image
56:54 <tristen> so it's a bit laggy
57:18 <Ballig> I think it will work well if you can make it compatible with the current CA
57:48 <tristen> yeah - i need to get around to reading the network stuff for it...
59:16 <Avatar> feels much more usable than last time
59:35 <tristen> yeah i put extra-special effort into those drop-downs
59:48 <tristen> and just tidying up in general
00:02 <tristen> did you see cones and areas? XD
00:10 <tristen> that shit is whack
00:13 <tristen> but hey
00:23 <tristen> rules are rules
00:27 <Avatar> yeah
00:52 <Avatar> more radiuses to add I think
01:00 <Avatar> on cones and blasts
01:22 <Mekkis> hehe
01:39 <tristen> ah ok - i looked on page 217? or so in that pdf for info on that
01:39 <tristen> there's more?
01:39 <Avatar> renaming some of those functions might be handy, although I'm not sure if that's just because of terminology we're used to or if that's what they're normally called
01:47 <Mekkis> tristen, do you know how a cone is defined in Pathfinder?
02:02 <Avatar> you've seen a 30ft radius before
02:09 <Avatar> detect magic's cone is a bit ridiculous
02:29 <Avatar> 60ft I think
02:37 <tristen> on page 215? in the core rulebook?
02:51 <tristen> i couldn't see anything but 15 or 30 i think...
03:07 <Mekkis> it's defined as "what the rulebook says it is"
03:49 <tristen> where do i find a pattern for 60ft?
03:57 <Mekkis> DMG
04:08 <tristen> oh i have googs i'll try it
04:18 <Mekkis> or I can give you my code for it
04:28 <Avatar> I like the blast radiuses given in the book
04:34 <Avatar> sourced from squares you can never be in !
04:44 <Mekkis> what do you mean
05:01 <Mekkis> you always start from an intersection
05:01 <Avatar> I assume it means you can cast it from any corner of your square
05:03 <Mekkis> not from a square
05:14 <Avatar> you can't stand in an intersection though
05:39 <Avatar> the northern cone could do the same thing, but doesn't
06:56 <Mekkis> they took down pastebay
07:47 <Avatar> permanently?
08:04 <Mekkis> either that or its dns is down
08:10 <Mekkis> Host pastebay.com not found: 3(NXDOMAIN)
08:25 <Mekkis> pastebay.org has address 192.121.86.165
08:25 <Mekkis> pastebay.org mail is handled by 10 mail.pastebay.org.
09:03 <Avatar> Ballig: IPY finally decided to increase loot on monsters
09:14 <Ballig> Avatar: ha
09:15 <Mekkis> tristen, http://dnd.pastebay.org/307456
09:35 <Avatar> but only in dungeons
10:47 <Mekkis> Ballig, what are you running on Sunday?
11:24 <Ballig> I toyed with the idea of running a game for a few of the people who can actually play games that I can run
11:36 <Ballig> but I'll probably be tethered from my phone at the time so it's best I don't go out of my way to run a game
13:58 <Brunius> I might run Echoes of the Overwatched
14:04 <Brunius> If Ballig isn't running anything
14:07 <Avatar> do it
14:17 <Ballig> Brunius: who do you want to invite?
14:21 <Ballig> I can schedule it now
14:33 <Brunius> PFS players with level 1-5 characters
14:42 <Ballig> what time
14:51 <Brunius> 11am?
15:27 <Brunius> Man I'm gonna go back to only being available alternating saturday/sundays soon
15:34 <Brunius> Didn't think that through :(
15:52 <Avatar> is that a problem running this
16:21 <Brunius> no
16:34 <Brunius> It won't start up for another couple weeks at least
16:51 <Brunius> My availablility is gonna be VERY hazy in August and October
16:55 Avatar has changed the topic to: PFS: Sat 11am (Mekkis, new game) / Sun 11am (Brunius, new game) | CoTE: TBA || All times are AEDT (UTC+11:00) | D&D and Pathfinder Online http://dnd.ballig.net
21:10 <Ballig> Brunius: I sent invitations to Avatar, me, Hydrazine, Jaggedsoul, Kempt, Lord, Mort, Tashes, Thelen and Tristen
21:16 <Brunius> Cool stuff
21:30 <Brunius> Doesn't Mekkis like invites?
21:43 <Ballig> is this one he can play
21:49 <Brunius> oh, you're right
21:55 <Avatar> thelen can't play either can he
22:13 <Ballig> he hasn't deigned to tell us his scenarios
22:13 <Brunius> Yeah thelen can't play
22:13 <Brunius> Forgot about that
22:28 <Brunius> !idealscenario gm=22870 player=22871,10339,22876
22:29 <diebot> Brunius, 1:Silent Tide |  3-09:The Quest for Perfection  Part 1: The edge of heaven |  3-11:The Quest for Perfection  Part 2: On Hostile Waters |  
22:38 <Brunius> What the heck is up with silent tide
22:45 <Brunius> Can you just remove it from the db mekkis?
23:00 <Ballig> Brunius: just use the website
23:10 <Ballig> http://dnd.ballig.net/pfs.php5
23:12 <Brunius> Using the website requires going to the website
23:14 <Brunius> and logging in
23:19 <Brunius> I can just type it here
23:26 <Ballig> it actually gives you an accurate response though
29:54 <Avatar> is the login necessary
30:15 <Brunius> Think so
30:26 <Ballig> Brunius: he's asking me if I can remove the login requirement
30:33 <Brunius> Oh
30:34 <Brunius> Can you?
30:41 <Brunius> It's kinda annoying
30:41 <Ballig> would it make it easier to use
30:53 <Ballig> do you mind non-users of the website seeing all your usernames
30:58 <Brunius> Not really
31:09 <Avatar> they can see all our usernames by joining the channel
31:20 <Mekkis> Brunius, add it in here
31:29 <Brunius> Mekkis, what?
32:10 <Brunius> !idealscenario gm=22870 player=22871,22876
32:10 <diebot> Brunius, 1:Silent Tide |  2-19 :Shades of Ice -- Part III: Keep of the Huskarl King  |  3-07:Echoes of the Overwatched |  Intro2:First Steps 2  To delve the dungeon deep |  3-09:The Quest for Perfection  Part 1: The edge of heaven |  3-11:The Quest for Perfection  Part 2: On Hostile Waters |  
36:08 <Brunius> Hmm, Skull and Shackles of three steel overseers
36:08 <Brunius> or, rather
36:08 <Ballig> all right you don't need to be logged into the website anymore
36:25 Topic for #d&d is: PFS: Sat 11am (Mekkis, new game) / Sun 11am (Brunius, new game) | CoTE: TBA || All times are AEDT (UTC+11:00) | D&D and Pathfinder Online http://dnd.ballig.net
36:25 Topic for #d&d set by Avatar at Thu Feb  9 18:12:53 2012
37:24 <Brunius> Huh, interesting
47:13 <Avatar> do the same with the schedule
47:20 <Avatar> and link "Sign in" to the login page
52:57 <Ballig> Avatar: done and done
54:48 <Brunius> Check this out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHrBhgwq__Q
06:37 <Avatar> sign in isn't linked
07:29 <Ballig> yeah it is
07:29 <Avatar> I think I want my 5 minutes back brunius
07:46 <Ballig> oh I might not have uploaded the PFS one
08:12 <Ballig> now it links
08:26 <Avatar> why didn't you invite nodwik to this game
08:41 <Avatar> or sachiru, or snypt or spaceshot
08:51 <Avatar> do you have something against people who start their nick with S
08:51 <Ballig> do you think we should
09:01 <Avatar> worth inviting everyone
09:04 <Ballig> logging in to check the admin page is a pain
09:08 <Ballig> maybe I should remove that login too
09:32 <Avatar> I recommended ages ago making that character list public
09:42 <Ballig> no use inviting sachiru, he hasn't logged into the website since emails were added
09:49 <Ballig> so therefore has no email address attached to his account
09:59 <Ballig> I was checking the email addresses
10:01 <Ballig> should that be public
10:03 <Avatar> you don't need an email though do you
10:09 <Avatar> you can just click schedule
10:14 <Ballig> what's the use of inviting him if he doesn't get an email
10:24 <Avatar> he might check it on a regular basis to see what games are running
10:35 <Ballig> probability below 2%
10:46 <Avatar> could roll a 99
10:47 <Avatar> who knows
10:52 <Ballig> !throw 1d100
10:52 <diebot> Ballig, 1d100: [1d100=16] 16
10:54 <Ballig> nope
10:58 <Avatar> that's just 1
11:06 <Avatar> that 16 could just as easily be 99
11:07 <Avatar> who knows
11:08 <Ballig> if you roll enough of course you are going to get a 99
11:20 <Ballig> but we didn't
11:22 <Avatar> let's pretend you need a 16 or 100 
11:25 <Avatar> you rolled a 16
11:27 <Ballig> but you don't
11:28 <Avatar> so he will answer now
11:29 <Ballig> you need a 99 or 100
11:36 <Avatar> what if it's 16 or 100
11:39 <Avatar> now he will come
11:44 <Ballig> I could have sworn the default timezone if you weren't signed in was Sydney
11:45 <Avatar> extra player
11:50 <Ballig> but it's giving the schedule in GMT if you aren't signed in
12:58 <Ballig> did you invite thelen twice
13:04 <Avatar> did I
13:10 <Ballig> I just checked the mail log
13:11 <Avatar> I clicked the extra players and hit invite
13:21 <Ballig> it has an invitation for thelen on add, and another one on invite
13:32 <Ballig> hmm
13:48 <Ballig> who did you invite
14:16 <Avatar> everyone except brunius, canine, mekkis and pregen
14:18 <Ballig> and I need to add a time/date on this log I think
14:30 <Ballig> it sent an email to nodwik, snypt, spaceshot and thelen
14:33 <Ballig> when you invited
15:22 <Avatar> is it intentional to resend invites like that
15:29 <Ballig> no
15:45 <Ballig> the only reason someone should get another email is if they were removed from the invite list then added again
15:59 <Ballig> (with 'invite' being clicked in between)
19:34 <Ballig> Tashes has never signed into the website
24:02 <Brunius> Why aren't I invited :(
24:08 <Ballig> because you're the GM :(
24:15 <Brunius> :(
24:19 <Ballig> http://dnd.ballig.net/schedule.php5?id=3
24:25 <Ballig> look at that! your name is right therE1
24:28 <Ballig> up in lights!
24:28 <Brunius> Huh
24:44 <Brunius> ctrl+alt+tab opens a message to people you have pms open to
24:53 <Brunius> PMs, not pms
25:19 <Ballig> actually it's just tab, isn't it
25:28 <Brunius> So it is
25:43 <Brunius> Ballig figured it out :(
25:43 <Ballig> and I don't think it's open PMs, but people who you have PMed recently
25:46 <Ballig> or maybe who have recently PMed you
26:01 <Ballig> mine goes to you, Avatar and nickop
26:15 <Ballig> but I also have PMs open from Credlics, diebot, Grouchy, Hydrazine, Khazaran, Mekkis, mort, QuantumWings, Thelen, tlotig and tristen
27:58 <Brunius> You PM non-closer
28:15 <Brunius> What did you think of QuantumWings?
28:21 <Brunius> Worth trying to get him back in here?
28:31 <Ballig> [6:11:25 PM] <Ballig> sup
28:31 <Ballig> [6:13:47 PM] <QuantumWings> yes
28:31 <Ballig> [6:14:14 PM] <QuantumWings> going now
28:31 <Ballig> [6:14:20 PM] <Ballig> why's that
28:31 <Ballig> [6:14:43 PM] <QuantumWings> going to play tribes ascend
28:31 <Ballig> [6:14:54 PM] <Ballig> ahh
28:34 <Ballig> the entirety of our conversation
28:36 <Brunius> gg
29:11 <tristen> deep
29:14 <Brunius> I wonder if his UN on T:A is the same as on here
30:49 <tristen> it sucks that no one's prepared to be killed dead by mekkis
30:55 <tristen> we could be dying right now
31:01 <tristen> or soon-ish
09:30 <Mekkis> what?
09:35 <Mekkis> killed by me?
09:37 <Mekkis> NEVER!
11:21 <Avatar> do we have a way to get him back
17:02 <Avatar> I didn't think so
31:05 <Mekkis> who?
31:42 <Ballig> thomas
31:51 <Mekkis> Thomas?
34:41 <Mekkis> Ballig, is it possible for me to get a list containing scenario number, PFS number and whether it's played or GMed?
36:27 <Ballig> it's done by user
36:57 <Mekkis> if that's all you store, I'll need to settle for that
37:09 <Ballig> and they don't store the PFS number
37:18 <Mekkis> could you get user, scenario number, played/GMed?
38:40 <Ballig> do you mean a list right now, or as in a url that returns a script-readable list on request?
42:21 <Mekkis> a url would be better, I think
42:42 <Ballig> do you want it to respond to any input?
43:06 <Mekkis> probably not, unless we're talking megabytes of data
43:21 <Ballig> it wouldn't be megabytes
43:46 <Mekkis> then no problem
52:48 tristen has quit (Quit: leaving)
54:27 <Ballig> Mekkis: do you want it in html or text
54:34 <Mekkis> text is better
54:42 <Ballig> what newline character(s)
54:49 <Mekkis> \n
54:56 <Mekkis> although it doesn't really matter
55:18 <Mekkis> tab-separated fields would be good, but again, it doesn't really matter
55:24 <Mekkis> I know regexes
56:15 <Ballig> http://dnd.ballig.net/pfs.php5?a=scriptout
56:16 <Ballig> what about that
57:16 <Mekkis> I'd prefer one scenario per line, with a fair bit of redundant information
57:19 <Mekkis> more table-like
57:50 <Ballig> are you looking for it separated by scenario or separated by user
58:02 <Mekkis> both
58:28 <Ballig> can you give me an example
58:31 <Mekkis> eg.
59:23 <Mekkis> Ballig,P,1
59:23 <Mekkis> Ballig,P,4
59:23 <Mekkis> Ballig,G,35
59:23 <Mekkis> Avatar,P,1
59:23 <Mekkis> Avatar,G,1
59:46 <Ballig> do you want the scenario name too
59:56 <Mekkis> shouldn't be required
00:15 <Mekkis> I'm assuming 397 is First Steps 1
01:00 <Mekkis> and you'll come up with a number for Pathfinder Society Special: Blood Under Absalom when the issue comes up?
01:19 <Ballig> yeah, I only did the ones that have been released
01:23 <Ballig> try the page now, is that the kind of output you want
02:16 <Mekkis> yeah
02:19 <Mekkis> that's great
03:13 <Mekkis> I'll work it into diebot over the next week or so
03:23 <Mekkis> hopefully this crunch period at work won't continue
09:09 <Mekkis> what level is Bob?
09:57 <Ballig> 5
10:16 <Mekkis> I'm considering running Fortune's Blight, if there are enough PCs in the 5-9 range
16:30 <Avatar> count me out
16:45 <Mekkis> what does the review say about it?
17:25 <Avatar> no idea
17:32 <Mekkis> ah
17:41 <Mekkis> you're just risk-averse out-of-game
17:50 <Mekkis> rather than risk-averse ingame
25:40 <Ballig> you can't bully someone into playing with you
25:50 <Mekkis> I'm not going to
26:15 <Avatar> I'm averse to helping out party members and getting punished for it on chronicle sheets
26:16 <Ballig> making snide remarks about their personal character is a bit childish
26:38 <Mekkis> how is it punishment
28:46 <Ballig> it is, at best, hinting at a probably future forced change to his character against his will
28:56 <Ballig> and at worst a future change that will cost him PA
29:00 <Mekkis> how is it against his will
29:08 <Ballig> you can't tell him how his character feels
29:15 <Ballig> just because you think that it's good roleplay not to help other people on faction missions
29:22 <Ballig> I told you that you can't force people to roleplay, and if you try to no one will play with you
29:25 Jaggedsoul ([email protected]) has joined #d&d
29:42 <Mekkis> he's roleplaying.
29:48 <Ballig> and you don't think it's good enough
29:56 <Ballig> so you're trying to force it with chronicle notes
29:58 <Mekkis> I'm just noting it. I did the same one several other chronicle sheets too
30:12 <Ballig> that doesn't really work in your defence
30:34 <Ballig> your chronicle note quite clearly hinted at a probably future forced change on his character
30:45 <Ballig> now you can say "it's not forced, he chose to roleplay like that!" but come on, we know it's forced
30:46 <Mekkis> not forced
30:51 <Ballig> just because you disagree with his roleplay reasons, that doesn't make it "not forced"
30:59 <Mekkis> I mean
31:04 <Ballig> I know what you mean
31:14 <Mekkis> the comment on his chronicle sheet can not force him the change faction
31:21 <Ballig> then don't add it
31:39 <Ballig> all you're doing, in that case, is forcing your own interpretation of events onto him
31:47 <Ballig> if future GMs read that note they won't know exactly what happened
31:51 <Ballig> your wording was unnecessarily strong
32:06 <Ballig> also, the use of official fonts is ethically sketchy
36:05 <Mekkis> it can give him in-character justification should he wish to change factions in the future
36:22 <Mekkis> and there's a high chance that free faction changes will be available some time in the future
36:34 <Ballig> probably best to discuss that with him before adding it to the chronicle sheet
36:40 <Ballig> ESPECIALLY with how strongly it was worded
36:46 <Ballig> it can actually undermine how he feels about his character
37:08 <Avatar> I pm'd you about it after the game and you never replied, and asked you later if you saw it, and you said you did and said nothing else
37:12 <Ballig> even if you don't think someone roleplays, they may still have strong feelings about the underlying core of that character and may feel victimised if you undermine that as a GM
37:17 <Avatar> if it doesn't add any conditions onto my character, it shouldn't be there at all
37:25 <Ballig> and, again, the official font is ethically sketchy. when I first saw the note, I thought it was an official boon from the scenario
38:03 <Mekkis> Avatar, I have "Unleashed a Gibbering Mouther on the Populace of Absalom" on one of my chronicle sheets
38:11 Mort- ([email protected]) has joined #d&d
38:17 <Avatar> what is a gibbering mouther
38:18 <Mort-> Hello
38:22 <Mort-> What?
38:26 <Mort-> Its me!
38:28 <Avatar> hello mort
38:42 <Mort-> I am a gibbering mouther!
38:51 <Mekkis> it's a monster
38:52 <Mort-> Btw i can't make it this Sunday
38:56 <Mekkis> we found it in the Museum
39:12 <Avatar> that doesn't tell me anything
39:14 <Mort-> Got nieces birthday party
39:34 <Mort-> So ill be at a party
39:34 <Mekkis> Voice in the Void
39:37 <Mekkis> if you're wondering
39:46 <Mort-> Next week also Sunday i can't make it
39:51 <Mekkis> it has a 20' movement speed
39:54 <Mekkis> we had 30'
40:07 <Ballig> Mekkis: that's a statement of fact as something you did
40:13 <Ballig> it does not impose the GM's interpretation
40:28 <Mort-> Cousin number 2 having a wedding
40:53 <Ballig> it also does not potentially undermine your character concept
41:14 <Avatar> I explained during the game specifically what my motivations were
41:19 <Mekkis> and I know
41:22 <Mort-> So what about the stuff
41:28 <Avatar> it had nothing to do with that faction thing that's on there
41:29 <Mort-> There was a game?
41:47 <Mekkis> Avatar's annoyed about a message I left on his chronicle sheet
41:56 <Mort-> I have a dragon to slay in utopia
42:05 <Mort-> Oh!
42:06 <Ballig> what if the GM had instead written "Traitor to Absalom: intentionally unleashed an abberation on the populate of Absalom. This may indicate an alignment shift to 'evil' in the future."
42:09 <Mort-> I can guess
42:14 <Ballig> would you be happy to have that on a chronicle sheet for your character?
42:38 <Mort-> His intentions were good
42:40 <Mort-> In a way
42:56 <Mort-> He trusted hitomi
43:05 <Ballig> note both the s hift away from fact into GM interpretation, and also the potential undermining of your character's concept
43:16 <Mort-> Well i trust hitomi too but not on everything
43:20 <Mekkis> sure
43:59 <Ballig> then all you've proven tonight is that Avatar is right not to want to play in your games
44:11 <Ballig> if you insist that your decision was fair and just and you'd be happy to have a similar decision made for your character
44:13 <Mort-> ...
44:29 * Mort- hides in a bush
44:29 <Avatar> the thing is, I've been told that if you don't like the way that GM runs the game, then don't play with that GM
44:40 <Ballig> Avatar, having expressed his displeasure in that kind of deceision being made for him, is perfectly within his rights to choose not to play with a GM who does that
45:15 * Mort- decides not to come out of the bush
46:59 <Ballig> anyway, beyond my bedtime
47:35 <Mekkis> what would you rather me write to note that incident?
47:53 <Avatar> it's not notable
48:03 <Avatar> people help out party members on faction missions all the time
48:16 <Mort-> He actually had it covered
48:24 <Mort-> By threatening that old man
48:32 <Mekkis> or did he
48:35 <Mort-> Aka flappy mouth
48:36 <Mekkis> you don't know
48:43 <Mort-> Not my business
49:10 <Mort-> I read the book because he would be threatening innocent civilians other wise
53:49 <Mekkis> yes
54:35 <Mekkis> but you don't know a) what Yargos told Hitomi; b) what Buck told Hitomi; and c) what Hitomi ended up telling the paracountess
55:27 <Mekkis> oh, and Painlord does recommend adding notes to chronicle sheets
58:10 <Mort-> I assume he would have gotten what he wanted
58:24 <Mekkis> that's nice
59:51 <Mort-> But maybe he wanted me to double confirm
00:11 <Mort-> If i could i might have tried to tackle him
00:21 <Mekkis> maybe
00:32 <Mort-> But against a fighter it wouldn't work
00:32 <Mort-> At all
00:34 <Mort-> Lol
00:47 <Mort-> You got to be kidding
01:14 <Avatar> you can't attack another player
02:13 <Mekkis> maybe
02:36 <Mort-> We did before
02:43 <Avatar> when
02:45 <Mort-> Tackle
02:46 <Mort-> Gogg
02:46 <Mort-> But he got the door open anyway
02:57 <Mort-> The night in the museum thing
03:02 <Mort-> After you died
03:11 <Mort-> He went battering the door down
03:12 <Avatar> why did you tackle him
03:22 <Mort-> We did grab him some
03:25 <Mekkis> because he was threatening innocent people?
03:31 <Mort-> He was trying to batter the door down
03:46 <Mort-> It could have trapped the entire party on another plane
04:01 <Mort-> We weren't sure
04:07 <Mort-> And not inclined to test out
04:21 <Mort-> Imagine. Stuck on another plane forever?
04:25 <Mort-> No way back?
04:27 <Mort-> That's hell
05:02 <Avatar> p15 of the PFS guide
05:09 <Avatar> you're expected to cooperate
05:24 <Avatar> so was Gogg, by the way
05:39 <Mort-> Uh. Yeah
09:52 <Mort-> Won't be around for this and next Sunday btw
09:55 <Mort-> Just inform
09:59 <Mort-> You first
10:22 <Avatar> decline it on the schedule
10:59 <Mort-> Once i figure out how to
11:08 <Avatar> click schedule, click decline
11:17 <Avatar> er, click schedule, click the game, click decline
14:12 <Mort-> Not loading
14:13 <Mort-> Page
14:38 <Mort-> Cell shows could not connect to remote server
18:31 <Mort-> K logged in and did it
18:56 <Mort-> Ill need my chronicle sheet soon too mek :(
19:17 <Mekkis> I PMed it to you a while ago
21:03 <Mort-> Thanks got it
34:20 AndChat| ([email protected]) has joined #d&d
34:21 Mort- has quit (EOF from client)
35:27 Jaggedsoul has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client)
36:01 Tashes ([email protected]) has joined #d&d
40:29 <Mekkis> probably should buy paper,inkpen etc
56:11 AndChat| has quit (Quit: Bye)
57:02 <Mekkis> this remote control is really slow at typing
02:02 ChanOP has quit (*.net *.split)
10:11 NickOP sets mode -r Mekkis
10:13 ChanOP ([email protected]) has joined #d&d
10:13 waia.wa.au.austnet.org gives channel operator status to ChanOP
15:02 Ballig is now known as Ballig1
50:11 Mort- ([email protected]) has joined #d&d
Search this day's buffer: