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06:51 Join: Ampera ([email protected]) to #EEVblog
06:52 Mode: (by ChanOP) +o Ampera
07:00 <rust_collector> WHOOOA!
07:10 <Ampera> Good morning
07:18 <rust_collector> morning mr operator
07:18 * Ampera runs rust_collector down with a lada
07:25 <rust_collector> WOOHOO!
07:26 Mode: (by ChanOP) -o Ampera
07:33 * rust_collector absorbs lada
12:50 <K> hello
13:05 <rust_collector> hello, K
13:13 <K> no u
13:16 * Ampera tries to run K over with a trabant, but upon impact, it folds like a cardboard box
13:28 <K> haven't seen a trabant ever
13:34 <Ampera> I've seen one a couple times in Germany
13:54 <K> only one is left yea
13:59 <rust_collector> I have seen I think 3 of them
14:09 * Ampera whacks rust_collector on the head with a mallet
14:12 <Ampera> now you see 6 of them
15:59 <rust_collector> did you eat all those noodles yet?
16:39 <Ampera> Not yet
16:43 <Ampera> maybe 1/3rd the way there
16:53 <Ampera> I've been working hard at it though
17:01 <Ampera> My recent projects have actually been my servers
17:18 <rust_collector> hmm, yes, did you get that one from texastan?
18:17 <Ampera> I did. It's big.
18:29 <K> does it suck?
18:31 <Ampera> I'm currently working on designing and constructing a PDU for it
18:57 <Ampera> It's going to be placed in the basement, which has only a single 120V 15A circuit for all the outlets.
19:19 <Ampera> It'd probably be enough to power the server, however, if the fridge down there turned on, or someone turned on the table saw, it'd probably trip a breaker
19:40 <Ampera> So instead, I'm using a 240V 50A outlet that was formerly used for an electric stove that we threw out when we moved in
20:32 <Ampera> To use it, I'm going to get a subpanel, and hook it up to an appliance cable that'll plug into that
20:46 <Ampera> so I can then get some 240V 15A circuits off it
20:57 <K> huh, do you have some certified electricity person to check your work?
22:04 <Ampera> I do not believe I need one, as this is an appliance that is plugging into an outlet.
22:11 <Ampera> I'm checking local ordinances, however
24:38 <rust_collector> from my youtube experience, that should be fine
25:34 <rust_collector> not that I know all the local rules, but...
26:16 <Ampera> I see it as an appliance, not that different from, well, a PDU
46:42 * steve30 attempts to learn how to use windows 7
49:02 <Ampera> steve30, what's there to learn
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39:19 <Hsn> rust_collector: havent been working on it
39:46 <Hsn> Ampera:
39:47 Quit: Watcher ([email protected]) Ping timeout: 121 seconds
40:04 <Hsn> U r not allowed to leave like that
40:04 <Ampera> Hsn,
40:14 <Ampera> I can leave whenever I want.
40:35 <Hsn> + if u leave .. leave the name for me so i can impose u
40:47 <Hsn> Ampera: u can but not allowed
40:56 <Ampera> I'm on freenode and afternet if I'm ever not here
41:42 <Hsn> Idk freenet idk afternode .. just dont leave me alone
41:52 <Hsn> xD
42:06 <Ampera> Alone is the best state of existence, it's when the voices in your head scream the loudest.
42:14 <Ampera> They say some amusing things
42:24 <Hsn> Mine doesnt
42:38 <Ampera> Playing songs that never end, giving me feelings that I can't understand
42:40 <Hsn> They say currently food and get fatter
42:54 <Ampera> They don't need to say that to me for that to happen
43:04 <Hsn> So i mist obey them and go ..
43:10 <Ampera> so long as I have a pile of noodles, it'll happen on its own
43:21 <Hsn> C u later ive to drive to parents and eat with them
43:33 <Hsn> They wont wait me for anothr hour
43:39 <Ampera> have fun
43:40 <Ampera> don't die
43:42 <Ampera> you're not allowed to
43:46 <Hsn> Thx
44:01 <Hsn> But i might whenever izreal wants
44:25 <Hsn> Azrael
44:35 <Ampera> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1bFr2SWP1I
44:36 <eevBot> [Title] - Youtube: OFFICIAL Somewhere over the Rainbow - Israel "IZ" Kamakawiwoʻole
48:39 <T3sl4> how are you Ampera?
48:45 <Ampera> Awake
48:53 <Ampera> How are you, T3sl4
48:59 <T3sl4> good :)
49:36 <Kuschelpony> good day to you all
49:53 * T3sl4 hugs Kuschelpony
50:35 <Kuschelpony> today i learned: when i wind the next toroid, i will check before that the wires are not scratched
51:35 <T3sl4> d'oh!
54:15 <Ampera> https://amperaa.net/cdn/projects/20210425_110123.jpg and https://amperaa.net/cdn/projects/20210425_110127.jpg
54:16 <eevBot> I don't think so.
54:23 <Ampera> What I've been working on recently
54:34 <Ampera> Server originally didn't come with the PCIe board on the left, but I managed to buy that
55:27 <Ampera> From left to right, 1TB NVMe SSD, 8 channel SAS HBA (SAS 6bps iirc), Dual 10GbE SFP+ NIC, 4 port GbE NIC
55:42 <Kuschelpony> the good thing is, i have only shorts between the 4 srtrands, but not across the 70 turnd, so i could at least measure the performance
55:59 <Kuschelpony> i post them a little bit later when i have sorted things a bit more
56:05 <Ampera> This ProLiant server has a lot of really nice integrated hardware, like a 4 port gigabit NIC, and an 8 channel SAS RAID controller with battery backed RAM cache
56:27 <Ampera> Unfortunately the NIC has no FreeBSD drivers whatsoever, and the RAID controller has no HBA mode, making it near useless for ZFS
57:06 <Ampera> Luckily that machine has 11 (12 if you count a slot for a proprietary form factor SFP+ NIC) PCIe slots now
00:33 <Kuschelpony> here we are:
00:57 <Kuschelpony> 22mm toroid from #52 iron powder (the common stuff in half-recent ATX supplies)
01:13 <Kuschelpony> 70 turns in 4 paralell starands of 0,3mm diameter
01:20 <Kuschelpony> 440�H
01:28 <Kuschelpony> Q=2 at 100Hz
01:33 <Kuschelpony> q=20 at 1kHz
01:56 <Kuschelpony> Q=79 at 10kHz (i believe here the skin effect dominates)
02:11 <Kuschelpony> Q=38 at 100kHz (here surely the core losses dominate)
02:19 <Kuschelpony> maybe that helps someone
03:42 <Ampera> the skin effect sounds delicious
04:28 Quit: Guest69 ([email protected]) Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…
04:43 <Kuschelpony> MAYBE i make somethign closer to real HF litz wire, many thin strands and no shorts, and wind again
04:54 <Kuschelpony> beeing curious if i can bring the Q past 100
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07:48 * Ampera stabs TheDude with a hard salami
14:31 <TheDude> hey
14:53 <TheDude> is this some kind of weird sex thing?
15:06 <Ampera> No, this is some kind of weird hunger thing
15:10 * Ampera takes a bite out of the salami
16:52 * Ysjoelfir licks Ampera 's salami
17:02 * Ampera smacks Ysjoelfir with the salami
17:04 <Ampera> shoo!
17:05 <Ampera> get your own!
17:26 * Ysjoelfir licks his own salami
18:50 <T3sl4> that's a higher Q than i would've expected for #52
18:59 * T3sl4 licks Ysjoelfir's salami too
19:29 <Kuschelpony> i wanted to know myself..
19:36 <T3sl4> Kuschelpony: possibly winding DCR is doing it at 10kHz, surely below; using thicker wire might get you there then
19:50 <T3sl4> then again, if you've ran out of winding space, good luck with that :P
20:00 <Kuschelpony> hmm, what do you mean?
20:40 <T3sl4> oh also, i wonder how much that varies with signal level? it might be higher Q at low signal level because those core materials are kinda...sticky, at low level
20:41 <Kuschelpony> i thinkk DCR is defining the Q at 100Hz and 1kHz where the Q is rising exactly with the frequency
20:46 <T3sl4> takes some flux density to get them "moving"
21:27 <T3sl4> yeah, if it were constant R it would be 2, 20, 200
21:28 <Kuschelpony> at 10kHzt i have additional losses but thats also to a quick estimation the area where the skin effect should appear somewaht
21:45 <T3sl4> skin effect limits it to about 3.16x / dec which sounds about right
21:47 <Kuschelpony> the core hole was about 70% filled
22:12 <Kuschelpony> i can not easily measure at higher fluxes, only what the LCR mewter can do internally
22:25 <T3sl4> that's pretty high fill, you could get a few more turns on there or a little bit bigger wire but not much
22:58 <Kuschelpony> but i am confident the material works linearly upto much higher levels where clasic saturation happens
23:17 <Kuschelpony> it was mostly experimental to know what spossible
26:18 <Kuschelpony> to be honest, it was just a lucky coincidence that i had that bunch of wires in the junk box whjere length and diameter was approbiate, and if i had an right isolation i would have been able to connect the 4 strands in series to get 280 active turns from the 4*70
27:26 <Kuschelpony> maybe in some more sleepless nights i wind again and this time with something like 8 strands 0f 0,2mm
35:46 <T3sl4> :)
51:41 <Lord_of_nothing> servus
00:05 <rust_collector> steve30 did that one work?
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16:59 <steve30> yup, it installed fine thanks
18:04 <rust_collector> good good
19:14 <rust_collector> that has to an interesting experience, to try something as modern as 7, I mean, it is only 11 or so years old
19:35 <Ampera> I used 7 for years
19:49 <steve30> I used it a little bit at college and on other people's machines, so its not totally new
19:54 <Ampera> probably from around late 2010 to 2016 or so
20:24 <steve30> But when Win 7 came out is about when I changed from Windows 2000 to Linux as my main OS.
20:30 <steve30> I've just used XP on the side since
25:12 * rust_collector is busy eating mexican substance
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02:50 <rust_collector> harr harr harr
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10:41 <rust_collector> ibb.co/JKZYBNd
10:59 <rust_collector> you are still my bookface, sorry
11:26 <electrohead> o/
14:50 * Ampera hugs electrohead
15:21 * electrohead hugs Ampera
15:28 <electrohead> you has a message.
15:31 <electrohead> lol
16:14 <Ampera> a wha
16:22 <Ampera> oh
16:33 <electrohead> :p
16:37 <electrohead> welcome back.
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17:16 <rust_collector> Ampera maybe you should start up the old bot again?
17:32 <Ampera> nah, it's probably dead for good at this point
17:38 <rust_collector> awww
17:44 <Ampera> RIP
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17:56 <rust_collector> and I wanted to know... if it would still be blocked, lol
18:55 <Lemon> elo peeps
19:09 <rust_collector> hey...you
20:00 <Lemon> dentist destroyed me this time, I slept all afternoon
20:09 <Lemon> but its going better
20:11 * Ampera squeezes the lemon
20:18 <Lemon> :O
20:50 * electrohead collects the lemon juice
21:39 <Lemon> I thought I went there for a tiny cavity, turns out it was 90% of the teeth, she had to drill at a few tenth of milimeters from the nerve
21:51 <Ampera> did you end up eating all of those noodles yet, electrohead?
24:46 <Lemon> the seller for the lcr metter said he'd give me 20USD rebate for a eevblog review lol, its me that asked, well I mean, thats always that !
24:47 <Kuschelpony> hmm, i wonder what happened as my connection to three completely independ IRC networks including here died that minute, but a fourth one just continued
27:35 <electrohead> Ampera: not all of them, yet
27:37 <electrohead> lol
28:26 <Ampera> It'd be an incentive for you to come here, because the local asian supermarket has all sorts of instant noodles
28:42 <Ampera> pretty much all of them way way better than anything you'd get in a normal supermarket
28:51 <Lemon> 466 euros for 0.05% accuracy, 50Hz to 200Khz in 0.01mHz increments, lots of features, up to 12.5ms per measurements, 6 digits of resolution and you can set the test voltage, current etc up to a few volts/ma
29:17 <Ampera> Lemon, I haven't seen a dentist probably since 2019
29:19 <Ampera> maybe even 2018
29:39 <rust_collector> Lemon you need 12.4, not 12.5
29:46 <Lemon> well for almost a decade me neither, but its been a few years that im suffering due to lack of it
29:59 <Lemon> heh I'd probably not set it on 12.5ms, too fast
30:02 <Lemon> and less accuracy
30:02 <Ampera> the reason why I haven't is actually quite funny
30:06 <Lemon> but its nice to have :>
30:21 <Lemon> for the price its absolutely insane, thats the specs of 2-3k instruments
30:21 <Ampera> I had an appointment in 2018 or 2019 or whenever, and I completely forgot about it
30:23 <Kuschelpony> weird, now the fourth IRC server disconnected and reconnected, while the other three were running again
30:30 <Ampera> so I called the dentist's office to reschedule, and they never picked up
30:33 <Ampera> so I basically forgot about it
30:46 <Ampera> and since COVID, I had a reason not to go
31:14 <Lemon> ha yes I can understand
31:22 <Lemon> something similar happenned for my first wisom teeth
31:25 <electrohead> Ampera: yeah, it would be neat to check out the stores up there
31:28 <Lemon> and I had to go to hospital when it broke
31:33 <Ampera> stores?
31:35 <Ampera> surely you mean store
31:41 <Ampera> lol, it's fucking boring over here
31:44 <electrohead> oh, just one big one? lol
31:45 <Ampera> we got jack, fucking, and/or shit
31:56 <Ampera> I think we have one big one, and one smaller one, and that's about it
31:59 <electrohead> ahh
32:02 <T3sl4> mmm, tilapia lunch
32:08 <electrohead> well, yeah, the asian supermarket then :p
32:13 <T3sl4> garlic butter and wine sauce over rice
32:22 <Ampera> it actually is called "Asian Supermarket"
32:32 <Ampera> like I'm not really using a generic, that's the name of the place
33:36 <T3sl4> also, i'm sipping a limoncello
33:40 * T3sl4 hugs Lemon
33:46 * Ampera gives T3sl4 a limonviolin
33:48 <Lemon> thanks, I needed it !
33:54 <electrohead> Ampera: lol
34:06 * Ampera gives electrohead a limonbass
34:11 * T3sl4 gives Ampera a flaming limonviola
34:25 * Ampera drinks it straight from the fire
34:28 <Ampera> I'm used to heartburn
34:46 <Ampera> I eat tums like they're tic tacs
35:00 <Lemon> hmmm that eucol brand looks like much more than a random chinese manufacturer
35:08 <Ampera> At the very least it's a good source of calcium
35:28 <rust_collector> Lemon it is a specific chinese manufacturer
35:57 <Lemon> well I mean, you know if you look up an arb gen/lcr meter or whatever you'll find tons of crappy things
36:08 <Lemon> but that eucol brand makes quite high endish stuff
36:17 <Lemon> and it seems they are the oem for a few brands
36:28 <rust_collector> well, someone has to make them
36:40 <Lemon> guy is quite responsive, I asked him a few things like what instruments they use to calibrate them, and to give us those specs
37:08 <Lemon> but I mean thats super nice, for 450-500 euros I could barely find a 10-100Khz, 0.1% accuracy "big name" branded thing
37:14 <Lemon> with not a lot of features
37:29 <rust_collector> ok, did you sell your graphics thing yet?
37:30 <Lemon> this thing is comparable to devices costing around 2-3k euros if not more
37:47 <Lemon> I should get the one I ordered tommorow, I test it and I put mine on ebay yeah
37:50 <Lemon> I want to be sure
38:04 <Lemon> but I think everything will go fine
38:10 <rust_collector> hmm, what cpu do you have?
39:02 <Lemon> two e5 2698 v3
39:15 <Lemon> 16c/32t xeons
39:27 <Ampera> nice
39:32 <Lemon> yes it makes no sense, but I got an insane deal on them
39:45 <Lemon> and looking at all those cores in task manager is worth it
39:59 <Lemon> barely enough to go on irc and browse the net, but ho well
40:06 <Ampera> I have a machine with four E7-4870's
40:22 <Lemon> woahhhhh those are 12 cores ? I forgot !
40:25 <Lemon> or 18 ?
40:25 <Ampera> 10 cores
40:28 <Lemon> 10 !
40:33 <Lemon> 40c/80t :>
40:34 <Ampera> sandy bridge
40:38 <Lemon> ha yes !
40:43 <Ampera> has 128GB of RAM too
40:47 <Lemon> the price/perf is insane with those
40:52 <Lemon> ha only 64 here !
40:59 <Lemon> I regret not buying more when it was cheap
41:03 <Lemon> but tbh, its fine
41:06 <Ampera> My desktop has a Ryzen 3950X 16c/32t chip with 64GB of RAM
41:07 <Lemon> even 16 would be fine
41:11 <Ampera> and it's probably faster than that entire server
41:18 <Ampera> however the CPU costs more than that entire server, which is why
41:22 <Lemon> ho yes but not the same archi lol
41:25 <Lemon> yeah :P
41:35 <Lemon> I think my two xeons do a bit over 4k on cinebench
41:42 <Lemon> which was pretty nice at the time
41:47 <Ampera> I don't even know if they have cinebench for linux
41:48 <Ampera> probably not
41:51 <Lemon> I got them about 1.5-2 years ago
41:57 <Lemon> guess the price
42:07 <Ampera> 500 francs
42:20 <Lemon> around 500 euros for both yeah
42:34 <Ampera> that's how much I paid for my quad xeon server
42:39 <Ampera> give or take, a bit over 500 USD
42:47 <Lemon> damn :> pretty nice !
42:56 <Lemon> mobo was about 220 euros, hard to find
42:58 <Ampera> came with the memory and CPUs, and 4 300GB 10K SAS drives
43:18 <Lemon> I found only one case able to accept it xd
43:26 <Lemon> gladly it looks nice, and was under 150
43:31 <rust_collector> hmmm, swiss moneys... interesting
43:39 <Ampera> I currently have the fun problem of figuring out how to power my server
43:43 <Ampera> as it has 4 1200W PSU's
43:59 <Lemon> redundant ones right ?
44:01 <rust_collector> use an exercise bike and a generator?
44:05 <Ampera> pretty much
44:12 <Ampera> I don't know if it can run off of just one
44:18 <Ampera> probably could in a pinch
44:33 <Lemon> hmmm thats more than 5kw from the wall if everything is powered but I guess the server itself use under 1.5k no ?
44:36 <Lemon> or even 1k
44:43 <Lemon> I have no idea how much those cpus use
44:44 <Ampera> idle I think it uses 500W
44:50 <Ampera> that's probably from the wall
44:50 <Lemon> ho yeah
45:05 <Ampera> I had it running off 120V, but when I install it, it'll be running off 240V
45:14 <Lemon> I was surprised from mine, measured with the power analyzer it takes 200-250w from the wall currently
45:24 <Ampera> I'm working on a PDU setup that'll split a 240V 50A plug into 240V 15A plugs
45:25 <Lemon> heh 170-200 in fact
45:43 <Lemon> 240v 50a, jeez xd
45:45 <Ampera> The power measure is from the onboard iLO, so who knows how accurate it is
45:59 <Ampera> it's a plug originally intended for a stovetop
46:06 <Lemon> yeah
46:13 <Lemon> ho well +- a couple % I guess
46:16 <Lemon> good to have an idea
46:19 <Ampera> going to build a subpanel that hooks in via a plug, so it doesn't have to be permitted or inspected
46:34 <Ampera> afaik it'll be more efficient under 240V, which is part of why I'm doing it
46:55 <Ampera> but the basement I'm putting it in only has a single 120V 15A circuit for the entire thing, which would probably be enough to run that server, and maybe the second server that's going next to it
47:11 <Ampera> but there's a freezer down there, and if it turns on while the machines are under load, then it'll probably trip the breaker
47:20 <Ampera> nevermind the table saw down there too
47:26 <Lemon> hmmm yes true
47:51 <Lemon> I keep seeing devices called a "hipot tester"
47:59 <Lemon> any ideas of what it could be ?
48:06 <Ampera> so I'll have two 240V 15A circuits, I'll put two supplies on one, and another two and the other server I'm running on the other
48:13 <Lemon> https://french.alibaba.com/product-detail/eucol-high-performance-hipot-tester-u9053-62048287231.html?spm=a2700.details.0.0.bb926ef8pPRb6r like this
48:16 <eevBot> [Title] - Testeur Hipi-ecol Haute Performance,Original,U9053 - Buy Hipot Tester,High Voltage Tester Product on Alibaba.com
48:25 <Ampera> https://www.chromausa.com/instruments/hipot-safety/
48:28 <eevBot> [Title] - HIPOT Testers & Analyzers | In Stock - Order Now | Chroma
48:35 <Ampera> that site seems to explain it
48:59 <Lemon> ha yes ok I see
49:01 <Lemon> thanks
49:01 <Kuschelpony> Lemon, they are for safety tests where you apply a High Potemtila to an isolation barrier to proof that it does not break down
49:18 <Lemon> ok ! def not something I need, yet
49:46 <Ampera> "yet" is my favorite word
50:00 <Ampera> I'm not dead
50:01 <Ampera> yet
50:06 <Ampera> I haven't killed anyone
50:06 <Ampera> yet
50:06 <rust_collector> working on it
50:13 <Ampera> I haven't burned anything down
50:14 <Ampera> yet
50:19 <rust_collector> really?
50:27 <Ampera> eh, a few small fires
50:31 <rust_collector> ok
50:31 <Ampera> nothing fun enough to be illegal
50:46 <Ampera> although, fires are illegal in my county
50:48 <Ampera> which is irritating
50:49 <Lemon> yeah I admit it its a nice word
50:53 <Lemon> def in top 5
51:24 <Ampera> NY is one of the most prudish states about anything on fire or exploding
51:33 <Ampera> as far as I know, it's illegal to buy hand sparklers here
52:06 <Ampera> nevermind actual fireworks, bits of wire that sparkle aren't legal
53:32 <Kuschelpony> Lemon, you do not need thgem in most work, but i have build myself one just to be sure before i connecxt anything to the mains, if it leaks less than about 5�A at 1kV im confident the isolation is fine
54:02 <rust_collector> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2c/Cha_gio_re.jpg/1920px-Cha_gio_re.jpg?1619722391446
54:14 <Kuschelpony> the value is arbitrarily choosen as the minimum that i can reliable see on an 50�A meter
54:34 <Lemon> ho wow thats interesting ! can you show me please ? im really curious !
54:51 <Lemon> well ampera lets be honest, I'd make fireworks illegal
54:57 <Lemon> people are so dumb with them
55:07 <Kuschelpony> Lemon, maybe i dig it out the weekend
55:10 <Lemon> throwing them on other peeps, cars etc
55:23 <Ampera> that's because the difference between France and a bonfire is people usually try to control bonfires.
55:24 <Lemon> ok ! damn you built it, impressive :>
55:38 <Lemon> yeah I guess
55:46 <Kuschelpony> its not really special, an abused CCFL inverter plus rectifier, with crude feedback to keep the voltage to about 1kV and a 50�A meter for the output current
55:55 <Ampera> here the assholes who do that shit don't care that it's illegal, they do it anyways
56:22 <Ampera> it was years ago that they tried making fireworks legal for the 4th of July
56:39 <Ampera> people took it so fucking far, you could hear explosions going off every five minutes
56:46 <Kuschelpony> i want one day to buil something real with adjustable voltage and maybe manage to program an �C to get an Megaohms rating as well
56:47 <Ampera> it got crazy out of hand
57:41 <Lemon> ho yeah that could be super nice !
57:55 <Ampera> something's fucked up with unicode on my client
57:59 <Ampera> either that or Kuschelpony is using a weird codeset
58:00 <Lemon> and yes ampera its the same in netherlands from what I heard, people make them themselves
58:15 <Lemon> I do see weird things too
58:21 <Lemon> some ? in a losange
58:22 <Ampera> yeah I think it might be on Kuschelpony's end
58:54 <Ampera> him using xchat may be why, it might be too old to do unicode right
59:25 <Kuschelpony> hmm what please?
59:36 <Lemon> 1mv or ripple on a 30v3a lab supply is a decent spec ?
59:38 <Kuschelpony> moment
59:39 <Lemon> of*
59:54 <Kuschelpony> you meant you have unicode problems?
00:02 <Ampera> no I think it's your problem
00:02 <Lemon> to program an C to
00:13 <Lemon> theres a weird symbol before the C
00:19 <Lemon> or "50A" meter
00:44 <Ampera> it's possible your machine's locale hasn't been set right, or xchat doesn't support UTF-8
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01:09 <Kuschelpony> lets see
01:23 <Kuschelpony> can you now see mikroamps correctly? 50�A
01:26 <Ampera> nope
01:41 <Kuschelpony> ok then i need a full restart and try again tomorrow
01:42 <Ampera> if possible, try using hexchat, that should support UTF-8
01:49 <Ampera> no, xchat is just an obsolete client
01:52 <Kuschelpony> the coding WAS wring but UTF8 is sipported
02:13 <Ampera> ah, so it's your machine's locale?
02:18 <Kuschelpony> on that old laptop on that old xUbuntu its the default client
02:42 <Ampera> how old is that distro...
02:43 <Kuschelpony> i tried to set it but i dont want to restart the whole XChat as i have some conversations running in other IRC networks
02:55 <Kuschelpony> Ampera embarassing old
03:22 <Ampera> Do what you wish of course, it's no problem for us, but I wouldn't take old distros like that on the net for very long
03:45 <Kuschelpony> i need major updates anyway
03:48 <Lemon> other irc networks ? thats illegal !
03:54 <Lemon> you can stay only here now !
04:23 * Ampera leaves again
04:26 <Ampera> jk
04:33 <Kuschelpony> Lemon, the furnet is fully active and alive, i do have two good friends on IRCnet that have not yet changed and i have hope a channel on freenode has occasionally interesting news
04:45 <Ampera> furnet?
04:53 <Ampera> do I even want to know?
05:07 <Ampera> looking at google, no I do not want to know
05:08 <Lemon> hmmm im also scared
05:12 <Ampera> you should be
05:31 <Ampera> in general though, of the world and existence. I'm not scared, but people who are not scared scare me
05:32 <Ampera> so I scare myself
06:21 <Lemon> I like chocolate donuts
06:31 <Ampera> I'm not a big fan of chocolate
06:36 <Ampera> but give me the glazed ones any time
06:38 <Ampera> apple cider is also good
06:52 <Kuschelpony> Ampera, depending on how much you are intere4sted in some other non-technical subcultures, furnet might be not the right place for many here, but it matches well with other parsts of my life
07:24 <Ampera> I'm well aware of the concept. Not my thing, but I have no problem with it being a thing.
07:34 <Kuschelpony> oh and sorry that i scare you, as i am not scared from lots of stuff that i would not mention here :)
07:40 <Ampera> god, and hopefully only god, knows I have no stones to throw in that department
07:56 <Ampera> I'm not scared, I'm just joking
08:14 <Ampera> I haven't felt anything in a long while, so scaring me would be quite the challenge indeed
08:46 <Lemon> even if some stuff scares me, I have no problem about people being into it either
08:55 <Lemon> to each his own, goal in life is to be happy
09:08 <Lemon> and as long as people are happy, so I am !
10:08 <Kuschelpony> i just dont want to be the trigger for peopl who are not open to the crazy shit, because i have already been unwelcome in many high social circles and events
11:16 <Lemon> ho well I think its a thing related to "high social" circles, rejecting people
11:23 <Lemon> its a part of it
11:30 <Ampera> I keep my sexual desires quite private myself, as it's not really anyone's business, and is usually better let unsaid
12:34 <Ampera> One of the best skills in life (and I'm not telling you to do anything, speak freely) is to learn when to shut the fuck up
12:42 <Kuschelpony> problem is when someone is interested in some parts of BDSM but does not pass when many of them have also very high social expectations and let you the feeling of walking on eggshells or of beeing a stray dog scratching at locked doors
12:52 <Ampera> a lot of the time, the possible consequences for saying something far outweigh the satisfaction in saying it
13:28 <T3sl4> Ampera: dhmis
13:28 <Kuschelpony> thats true and for that reason i wil lsurely not gho into details here...
13:43 * Ampera hugs T3sl4 
14:22 * T3sl4 scareds of Ampera
14:27 <Lemon> thats a complicated matter for sure
14:34 <Ampera> O
14:35 <Ampera> er
14:51 <Ampera> I'm fairly confident that in my time on the internet, I've seen, or at least been made aware of the worst it has to offer
14:52 <Lemon> you have to find the right balance between keeping things for yourself, and not letting it destroy you
14:59 <Lemon> shit yes
15:06 <Lemon> and it probably destroyed me, partly
15:12 <Ampera> There's not much anymore that surprises me.
15:20 <Lemon> its funny because im quite sensible, and yet i'm not
15:24 <Lemon> its hard to explain
15:46 <Lemon> for example seeing some random video that would make puke 99% of people do me nothing
15:54 <Ampera> That's not to say that most sexual desires even come close to the bottom
15:58 <Lemon> and yet im a sensible person, I "feel" others
16:46 <rust_collector> sensible or sensitive?
16:56 <rust_collector> because... well..
17:03 <Ampera> I think seeing small amounts of the world of what the world has to offer is somewhat healthy. I think it gives one, or at least me, a good set of expectations and views about how the world actually is.
17:13 <Lemon> hmmm sensible yes lol
17:27 <Lemon> yes I agree
17:37 <Lemon> hiding from everything "bad" isnt good
17:41 <Lemon> buuuuut
17:56 <Lemon> sometimes, theres no use in forcing yourself, as I know some people do
18:00 <Lemon> to "make them stronger" they say
18:15 <Lemon> again, its all a story of a balance
18:15 <Ampera> My sense of empathy is present, but not instinctual. What I mean by that is I can usually read people pretty well when I want to, but that doesn't mean it will affect me
21:54 <Ysjoelfir> what is this "empathy" you talk about?
22:15 Quit: Kuschelpony ([email protected]) Quit: Verlassend
23:00 * T3sl4 hugs Ysjoelfir, clandestinely depositing a $1 bill behind his back in one smooth motion
23:13 * Ampera stabs Ysjoelfir and the person sitting next to him
23:15 <Ampera> that's empathy
23:25 <Ysjoelfir> ah, nice. I like that.
23:57 <T3sl4> a nice warming stab
24:43 <Ampera> yes, like a vaccine
24:54 <Ampera> only instead of preventing tetanus, it gives you tetanus
25:37 <rust_collector> hmm, a tinnitus shot.
25:47 * T3sl4 coughs corona on Ampera
25:52 <T3sl4> the high voltage kind of corona
26:55 <Lemon> I have 3 corona already !
27:55 * T3sl4 ozonizes Lemon
33:39 * Ampera ionizes T3sl4 
33:55 * T3sl4 unionizes Ampera
34:02 * Ampera structures T3sl4 
34:29 * T3sl4 reductionizes Ampera
34:49 * Ampera oxidizes T3sl4 
35:14 * T3sl4 fear factorys electrohead again
56:12 * electrohead :: Hellyeah - Cold As A Stone
56:18 <electrohead> \m/
56:34 <rust_collector> hey elefun
58:02 <electrohead> lol, hey
58:16 <electrohead> so I'm somewhat sort of working on a bass amp repair
58:20 <electrohead> holy fucking blown parts >.<
58:27 <rust_collector> BOOM!
58:28 <electrohead> every single mosfet is done-ski
58:40 <rust_collector> hah, stop mosfeting
58:43 <electrohead> :p
58:53 <electrohead> I really don't get how some amps just go *poof*
59:29 <rust_collector> they are fragile. you need one that feels like it is made out of concrete and rebar
00:23 * Ysjoelfir offers some DY802 to replace his mosfets with. if he can. somehow.
00:50 * Ysjoelfir is offering those to electrohead, just to clarify
00:56 <rust_collector> aaaw
07:08 * Ysjoelfir offers rust_collector some DY82
07:40 <rust_collector> if we keep doing this, I will get a burnt up diy 8.2
08:00 <Ysjoelfir> xD
08:59 <rust_collector> well, that is the sort of things mr dr head should use
09:11 <rust_collector> maybe not exactly those, but
10:46 <rust_collector> much more interesting than a sillycone diode
11:28 <Ysjoelfir> just slightly
12:16 <electrohead> Ysjoelfir: this amp already has tubes :D
12:23 <Ysjoelfir> woah!
12:34 <Ysjoelfir> twoobs! <3
12:35 <rust_collector> for cooling
13:37 <rust_collector> i should take that transformer off my little suitcase, where I keep my tubes. Then I would look at them more often
13:46 <electrohead> ECC83S x4, and 12A7X x2
14:11 <Ysjoelfir> so 6 ECC83, cool!
14:17 <electrohead> oh oh
14:19 <electrohead> yes, my bad
14:24 <Ysjoelfir> and yes, you should rust_collector LD
14:26 <Ysjoelfir> :D
14:42 <electrohead> just seeing that now
14:53 <coppice> ECC83s are really nice to work with.... on a cold winter's day
15:04 <Ysjoelfir> I prefer PC900
15:26 * T3sl4 gives Ysjoelfir a 12AU7
15:35 <T3sl4> now you have threebs!
15:47 <Ysjoelfir> woah! threebs!
16:17 <electrohead> I don't know my tubes as much as you guys
17:02 <Ysjoelfir> thats ok, we allow that
17:06 <electrohead> so these fucking mosfets are literally fused to the heat sink :/
17:24 <electrohead> thinking about applying heat via the heat gun, and seeing if that helps
17:27 <rust_collector> more amps, and they will fall off
17:32 * Ysjoelfir hands electrohead a chisel and a 2.5kg hammer
17:47 <electrohead> heh
17:54 <electrohead> yeah, that'll hopefully work
17:56 <electrohead> lol
18:02 <rust_collector> send around 180 amps thru them
18:12 <electrohead> and blow them off :P
18:21 <rust_collector> if you are into that
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47:28 <Lemon> I saw a 10V 1ka power supply, now im wondering
47:36 <Ysjoelfir> yes.
47:38 <Lemon> what are the possible applications for it ?
47:38 <Ysjoelfir> you need it.
47:43 <Lemon> nahhhhh
47:45 <Lemon> too big !
47:46 <Ysjoelfir> yes.
47:48 <Ysjoelfir> no.
48:02 <Lemon> in all seriousness tho
48:06 <Lemon> what do you use that for in general ?
48:19 <Ysjoelfir> short circuit tests
48:40 <Lemon> hmmmm
49:41 <Lemon> what are the specs needed for welding usually ?
49:53 <Lemon> ive seen some 150-200 amps thingies but I forgot the voltage
49:57 <Ysjoelfir> 24V 50-200A
50:19 <Lemon> alright
50:33 <Lemon> 12v but double amps would work ?
50:43 <Ysjoelfir> for what?
50:50 <rust_collector> you could start a volvo in winter with it...
50:52 <Lemon> to weld stuff
50:59 <Lemon> I mean, if you can do it with 24v 200a
51:09 <Lemon> can it work with 12v 400a ? as it is the same power ?
51:14 <Lemon> not the same voltage ofc
51:17 <Ysjoelfir> its not about the power
51:18 <Lemon> you'd need to change that
51:33 <rust_collector> it will be harder to get an arc, but it will work
51:34 <Ysjoelfir> you need an arc to heat the stuff up. no voltag = no/weak arc
51:51 <Lemon> hmmm ok, and 24v is the minimum for it ?
52:04 <rust_collector> no, but it is much easier
52:12 <Ysjoelfir> I think I read 18V somewhere, for reliable welds, but I am no expert
52:23 <Lemon> and lets say you go 48v, but less amps
52:28 <Lemon> what will happen ?
52:28 <rust_collector> like everything else, it depends
53:25 <Lemon> better arc but not enough current maybe ?
53:34 <Lemon> I need to find a nice thing to read about welding
53:44 <rust_collector> welders are dirt cheap
53:47 <Lemon> not that I want to play with that but its interesting
54:10 <Lemon> well depends, if I can set it to 200.00000A...
54:36 <Ampera> welders sound fun
55:12 <rust_collector> that depends on what kind of welder you are talking about, some have constant voltage, some have constant current, some are a big old transformer in a box, and you get what you get
55:19 <Lemon> I remember people making induction ovens with a shorted 12v battery and some tube
55:50 <Lemon> what I dont understand is why the battery isnt exploding ?
55:51 <rust_collector> eeh, is that induction?
56:00 <Lemon> if you coil it yes
56:04 <Lemon> from what I saw at least
56:15 <Lemon> but well they were calling that induction
56:18 <Lemon> maybe that isnt
56:29 <Lemon> I dont know much in that area
56:33 <rust_collector> the battery does not explode, because it is pretty tough, just don't make lots of sparks around it
56:55 <Lemon> but lead batteries like that, they will simply provide the maximum current they can and handle it ?
57:04 <Lemon> I know if you do that with a lipo, shit wont be the same for example
57:19 <rust_collector> not the same, no.
57:53 <rust_collector> i dunno if their internal resistance and ability to make current just is in a way that makes it work
58:24 <Lemon> yeah I need to read on that too
58:39 <Lemon> im using two decently sized lipos on my ebike
58:43 <Lemon> those things are impressive
58:54 <Lemon> they are maybe what, 1kg each ?
59:12 <Lemon> im pulling 40v 50a from them (they are like, 22v each in series)
59:18 <Lemon> and im sure I could triple it
59:34 <Lemon> I forgot their rating but im barely doing 30% of what they can Ithink
01:24 <rust_collector> lead acid is pretty nice, just don't explode them, because they hurt your face
03:10 <Lemon> yeah
03:17 <Lemon> black on black, red on red
03:52 <rust_collector> whatever. don't make sparks, if you just had a good load on them, or they are just off the charger
04:14 <rust_collector> I don't think the battery cares too much if you hook them up backwards
06:11 <Lemon> no but if you try to jump one with another car
06:16 <Lemon> better not put them in series
06:31 <rust_collector> 24v also works fine
07:02 <rust_collector> same thing, the battery is ok, the rest of your stuff that run off the battery, probably not
07:23 <Lemon> yeah
07:25 <Lemon> ho well
07:36 <Lemon> heh looka t that badboy https://french.alibaba.com/product-detail/variable-output-dc-power-supply-800v-20a-stabilized-voltage-constant-current-62059742728.html?spm=a2700.galleryofferlist.normal_offer.d_title.1a493554oO2fip
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07:42 <rust_collector> but yes, putting the jumpers on backwards is not ideal
08:28 <rust_collector> ooh, nice, self rotating buttons
09:38 <Lemon> and intelligent fans !
09:54 <Lemon> only 688 euros to ship it there, bargain I say
09:55 <rust_collector> needs knockoff iphone
10:04 <rust_collector> well, it is 40kg...
12:55 <Lemon> but yeah I think I've set my mind on this meter https://french.alibaba.com/product-detail/New-High-Performance-Digital-LCR-Meter-62007029553.html?spm=a2700.12243863.0.0.14eb148dqJGyer
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13:06 <Lemon> Ive spent hours and hours and can't find anything that comes close
13:33 <rust_collector> ok, done
14:00 <Lemon> you ordered me one ?
14:31 <rust_collector> yes, you pay when Igor comes to deliver it
15:00 <Lemon> ok !
15:59 <rust_collector> igor is 2.37, and weighs 320kg.
16:33 <Lemon> no problem, im 4.52 and 654kg !
16:46 <rust_collector> good good
17:02 <Lemon> well 4.52 when im sitting
17:15 <rust_collector> igor likes tea, and vegan noodle dishes
17:38 <Lemon> together ? or one after the other ?
17:59 <rust_collector> yes
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19:30 <rust_collector> 60kVA is a pretty ok transformer, I think?
20:57 <rust_collector> meh 3 phase things
24:23 <Ampera> 3 phase is a baby's toy
24:28 <Ampera> 120 phase is where it's at
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29:01 <rust_collector> Ysjoelfir would you be interested in a milling machine /drill for 250 euros?
31:12 <rust_collector> no? ok
36:25 <Lemon> time to sleep
36:29 <Lemon> see you tommorow peeps
36:37 <rust_collector> yes, go order your thing
36:44 <Lemon> nah rusty, remember
36:48 <Lemon> I need to sell the gpu first
36:53 <Lemon> THEN I order :>
36:58 <rust_collector> yes, go get going
37:08 <Lemon> well I hope we'll find a way to ship it for not too much
37:20 <Lemon> I'd rather wait longer and have it cheaper/without customs
37:29 <Lemon> than having it in 3 days via dhl and pay 150+ euros
37:42 <rust_collector> ok, stick it in an oil drum, and dump it in the sea
38:00 <Lemon> yees I thought about that
38:33 <rust_collector> I really like this old mill. it is english
43:02 <electrohead> finally managed to wrestle with the mosfets, and desoldered all 10 of them
43:22 <electrohead> the PCB definitely has been through some heat, the pads were lifting even with 315 C >.<
44:33 <electrohead> now it's time to see what other components are dead :/
45:00 <electrohead> it's an Ampeg SVT-6 Pro bass amp - from the research I did earlier, apparently these are known to blow a lot of parts
45:03 <electrohead> yay.
45:28 <rust_collector> perfect!
05:11 <rust_collector> did it blow all 20 mosfets?
17:00 <Ysjoelfir> rust_collector, sure i would, if it fits in my small room? XD
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49:28 <electrohead> soooo all of the fucking power resistors are dead
49:30 <electrohead> :/
49:40 <electrohead> (it's not my bass amp, it's a friend's)
03:56 <flyback> *CANUCKED*
04:03 * flyback rubs a canadian on the amp
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29:43 <electrohead> flyback: just got off the phone with him, and between the cost of all the parts, plus the labor expenses and such, he decided to make it a parts amp
29:50 <electrohead> so, you can take your canadian back :P
29:53 <electrohead> lol
30:27 <flyback> :P
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18:09 <Kuschelpony> good morning from german timezone
18:59 <Kuschelpony> just a quick test, are the special characters now displayed correctly
19:08 <Kuschelpony> 50µA for mikroamps?
19:18 <Kuschelpony> 10€ for Euros
19:33 <Kuschelpony> 8mmø for Diameter
22:09 <steve30> they work fine here
22:28 <Kuschelpony> good
22:57 <Kuschelpony> seems i had to restart XChat at alkl to apply the changes, just editing the server configuration yesterday was not enough
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29:20 <T3sl4> mornin
29:53 <Kuschelpony> Moin
55:56 <K> hello newts
59:32 * steve30 hugs T3sl4 
00:09 <rust_collector> moornings
03:28 <Ysjoelfir> eevBot convert 1847 feet to meters
03:29 <eevBot> Ysjoelfir: The result is 562.9656 meters
03:32 * T3sl4 coffees
03:46 * Ysjoelfir exchanges T3sl4 's coffee with sparkling Pomtee
03:50 <Ysjoelfir> also, mornings
04:08 <T3sl4> "exchange" implies you getting the coffee tho
04:20 <Ysjoelfir> . . .
04:22 <Ysjoelfir> ..............
04:39 * Ysjoelfir reverts that and hands that awfull black goop back to T3sl4
04:52 <T3sl4> :p
06:08 <T3sl4> heh interesting, my client hasn't registered that K is now k. the nicklist shows k but the chat shows K, but also the chat think he's offline (name in italic)
06:35 <Ysjoelfir> huh, is he? for me he's K :D
06:51 <Ysjoelfir> K, what are you doing, irritating poor little clients!
07:10 <steve30> Says K here
07:23 <K> im sorry
07:47 <Kuschelpony> hmm, i see "K" as well
07:53 <T3sl4> uh oh, did i just out your casechange? i'm sorry
08:05 <K> u wot
08:34 Nick: K is now known as KK
08:35 <T3sl4> if you're not transcasening then nevermind ;)
08:37 Nick: KK is now known as K
08:56 <K> did it trigger now?
09:40 <T3sl4> just now? no
10:47 <rust_collector> you are still K here
11:47 <T3sl4> probably if i rejoin it goes away, *shrug* :p
45:54 <Lemon> hi peeps
47:34 <rust_collector> peep peep peep
49:28 <Kuschelpony> hmm - - - is "S"
49:42 <Kuschelpony> as far as i remember that ancient code
50:24 <Ysjoelfir> oi, K ! need another one? https://www.ebay.de/itm/114786497795?mkevt=1&mkpid=0&emsid=e11021.m43.l1120&mkcid=7&ch=osgood&euid=142a10fb4e3746e899b57007ebf32d28&bu=43530944716&ut=RU&exe=98459&ext=232178&logid=nqt%3DAAAAAAAAAAAACAAAAAAAAAAAABABAAAAAAgAAAAAAAAABAAAAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIAAAAAAAAAABAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAEAAAAAAAEA**%26nqc%3DAAAAAAAAAAAACAAAAAAAAAAAABABAAAAAAgAAAAAAAAABAAAAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIAAAAAAAAAABAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAEAAAA
50:24 <Ysjoelfir> AAAEA**%26mdbreftime%3D1619771610578%26es%3D77%26ec%3D1&osub=-1~1&crd=20210430014643&segname=11021&sojTags=ch%3Dch%2Cbu%3Dbu%2Cut%3Dut%2Cnqt%3Dnqt%2Cnqc%3Dnqc%2Cmdbreftime%3Dmdbreftime%2Ces%3Des%2Cec%3Dec%2Cexe%3Dexe%2Cext%3Dext%2Cexe%3Dexe%2Cext%3Dext%2Cosub%3Dosub%2Ccrd%3Dcrd%2Csegname%3Dsegname%2Cchnl%3Dmkcid
50:26 <eevBot> [Title] - Schlumberger Solartron 7150 Digital Multimeter | eBay
50:36 <Ysjoelfir> wow, THAT is a nice link full of shit :D
50:40 * T3sl4 stabs Ysjoelfir with a sausage
50:54 * Ysjoelfir bites into it
50:56 <rust_collector> zolar
51:08 <steve30> mmm, multimeter
51:11 <Ysjoelfir> its a bit bland
55:05 <K> Artikelstandort: London, Großbritannien
55:17 <K> i'd pass, do not want to fuss with customs
56:26 <K> buying from co.uk is almost dead to me now
57:11 <rust_collector> send it to steve, it will be fine
57:29 <Ysjoelfir> yeah, I uynderstand. I have bought 3 things from UK recently. one is lost somewhere, the other ones are supposed to be somewhere between uk and germanistan, but god knows where
57:43 <Halcyon> Evening all
58:13 <Kuschelpony> Hello Halcyon
58:26 <Kuschelpony> Ysjoelfir, well thats a reason why i shy even more from ordering again in GB
58:33 <rust_collector> I have seen pics of the mail-piles they have there. it is pretty crazy. I just hope they try to deliver things this time, and not just dump all the stuff
58:34 * T3sl4 stabs Halcyon with a sausage too
58:46 <Ysjoelfir> mornings Halcyon
59:16 <Ysjoelfir> yeah, I hope my stuff arrives some day... I found those earplugs that might help with my distraction issues, I so hope those arrive soon :X
00:23 <Halcyon> :)
01:24 <rust_collector> expanding urethane foam?
01:38 * T3sl4 plates Ysjoelfir's earplugs with shinys
01:43 <T3sl4> now what, bitch
02:51 <Lemon> no sign of my dear gpu today
04:02 <Ysjoelfir> www.flareaudio.com/products/calmer?lang=en
04:06 <Ysjoelfir> those things
04:52 <steve30> I've bought and sold stuff from germany, but that was back when we were in the EU
05:04 <Ysjoelfir> for all us data afficionados, there is also a report from some consultation company.
05:29 <steve30> I hear my uncle Richard is going to be at tomorrow's Kill the Bill protest with his Samba band. Should be interesting.
05:43 <Halcyon> T3sl4: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GP8YsHIAy6s
05:44 <eevBot> [Title] - Youtube: Super Tiny Scritches
06:24 * T3sl4 tickles Halcyon with a single tiny feather
06:29 <Halcyon> :)
06:36 <Halcyon> Jerry drops those occasionalyl
08:56 <steve30> hehe, an RGB bird
15:43 <Halcyon> Hmmm... not sure how I feel about this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4WfHRgz0zM
15:44 <eevBot> [Title] - Youtube: DIY Big Mac Beef Wellington | Barry Tries Ep 35
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18:05 <T3sl4> that's... a title
18:51 <Kuschelpony> steve, i could foresee how people on hiloday travel between GB and EU could make a good business by helping to transport more luggage like things that can not ship well
20:11 <steve30> i bet that will happen in time
20:11 <rust_collector> here, I need these bags of white powder delivered to my friend in england-land, and you can bring some old keyboards back
20:29 <Halcyon> :P
22:02 <Halcyon> It annoys me when people call brown onions, "white onion"
22:07 <Halcyon> It's fucking wrong
22:15 <T3sl4> Halcyon, sounds like there may be employment opportunities for your cavity capacity :)
22:22 <Halcyon> Oi
22:26 <Halcyon> My arse is perky thank you
22:53 <Halcyon> Plus it's usually the reason why they get women to do that kind of work :P
26:00 * steve30 curls up on Halcyon's desk
26:33 * Halcyon watches as Steve shoves the piles of paper onto the floor
27:49 <Halcyon> I think I'm actually going to try that Big Mac Wellington recipe
28:04 <rust_collector> the whaaat?
28:15 <Halcyon> rust_collector, I linked it above
28:23 * T3sl4 stabs rust_collector with a pastry-wrapped sausage
28:34 <rust_collector> oh
28:47 <rust_collector> oh, that guy
28:53 <Halcyon> 1 kg of mince seems a bit much though, I might make a smaller one
29:07 <rust_collector> yes, you have to make 2 smaller ones
29:30 * steve30 had mystery-fish for lunch today
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30:43 <Halcyon> Mystery fish?
31:07 <steve30> yup
31:23 <rust_collector> the thing that has been at the bottom of the freezer since you moved in
31:25 <T3sl4> shh, it's a fishtery to everyone
31:35 <Halcyon> Nice one T3sl4
31:49 <steve30> I'm pretty sure it was cod
31:57 <Halcyon> Cod have been anything
31:58 <Halcyon> :P
32:24 <T3sl4> walleye guess you're right
35:29 <Halcyon> On that note, I'm grabbing a bottle of wine and popping next door
36:46 <T3sl4> enjoy :P
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57:24 <K> wtf was that
57:49 <rust_collector> hmm?
00:18 <K> weird ass nick
11:19 <rust_collector> that one has plenty of those...
22:21 * Ampera produces random sine waves
23:21 <Lemon> alright, I salvaged some male/female usb connectors, removed data cables and soldered beefier positive/negative cables
23:37 <Lemon> I will connect everything, and I'll have a nice fixture to use with my PA :>
23:37 <Ampera> mmm
23:39 <Ampera> beef
23:48 <Ampera> I'd have steak, but all of them are frozen
26:06 <Lemon> id love to have a SMU
26:14 <Lemon> its like the pinnacle of test gear for me
26:21 <Ampera> that's not a steak
26:26 <Ampera> you need a steak
26:26 <Lemon> but super expensive, and not much in the second hand market
26:31 <Lemon> nahhhh
26:44 * Ampera squeezes Lemon onto the steak
26:51 <Lemon> wat
26:56 <Lemon> thats illegal sir !
27:08 <rust_collector> *do it, do it*
27:13 * Ampera does rust_collector 
27:27 <rust_collector> oops
40:00 <rust_collector> heh, dr doctor sends a bill first, then maybe does something....
40:12 <T3sl4> mornin Ampera
40:24 <Ampera> moaning
40:40 <Ampera> seems my dad accidentally bought a load of the wrong cables for his storage server
41:04 <rust_collector> do they fit yours?
41:09 <Ampera> he has SFF-8087 backplanes, and decided to use SATA controllers (for some reason), and just discovered that you need switchover cables
41:46 <Ampera> no, because they're for a different purpose. SATA cables are straight through, but the controllers and drives are reversed on their ends
42:06 <Ampera> so you need a different SFF-8087 breakout cable if you want the SATA bits to be on drives or on a controller
42:46 <Ampera> I went with SAS controllers, so I don't have to deal with this problem, though I now know I need a different cable if I want to feed the last four drives in my storage case off SATA
48:59 <steve30> i should probably do some coffee shortly
49:43 <rust_collector> I wonder if I should put a tiny motherboard in a little box, and fill it with laptop drives, as a mini-mini server
49:52 <rust_collector> but.. han
49:59 <rust_collector> dh
50:01 <rust_collector> no
12:33 <Lemon> I quite like those new single board computers, they are quite powerful for the size
12:54 <Lemon> its been years that I want to build a bigass tablet, with all the thingies I want in it
13:21 <Lemon> using one of those boards, a nice amp for sound, a good wifi card with a sma connector for an antenna, etc
13:30 <Lemon> one day maybe
13:52 <Ampera> I've thought about building my own actually good ARM laptop one day out of an nvidia SBC
14:02 <Ampera> but I'm too incompetent to actually do that
14:23 <Lemon> ha yeah by "my own computer" I mean buying parts and plugging them
14:28 <Lemon> in the form factor I wajnt
14:33 <rust_collector> i would not mind an arm laptop. but I have no interest in building one
14:34 <Lemon> nothing fancy, lots of people did it
15:53 <rust_collector> and with the specs I need, for the things I do, old random laptops are pretty much free. i would like something with a lot of battery capacity...
16:22 <Ampera> I'm thinking of buying one of the new Macbook Pro's, but the ones with the M2/M1X chips when they come out
17:26 <Lemon> I admit the idea of a diy computer with the longest possible battery life is also interesting
17:37 <Lemon> man I have a nice macbook pro im not using
17:52 <Lemon> it was my father's, its a 2015 model if im right
18:06 <Lemon> 16gb ram, 512gb ssd, highest i7 of the time
18:16 <Ampera> The newest and only apple laptop I have is an iBook G4
18:33 <Lemon> heh they were nice devices
18:42 <Ampera> I don't have many good laptops. I have my Lenovo thing which is just terrible, despite being alright under the hood
18:49 <Lemon> I think a fathers friend still use a bi xeon mac, idk the model but its quite old
18:52 <Ampera> and I also have a pinebook pro, which is a really neat, but not that useful laptop
22:50 <rust_collector> I should fix my stinkpad. I did like that one. but the "mouse buttons" for the trackpoint does not work any more. maybe I just have to reseat the cable or something. But otoh, I want an us layout keyboard for it
24:07 <Lemon> I always like ibm/lenovo laptops
24:17 <Lemon> idk about recent ones, but older ones were made to last
24:30 <Lemon> I kinda want to get a x230 one day as a thing to carry around
24:57 <Ampera> I'm never buying a Lenovo laptop again
25:06 <Ampera> the one I bought from them has absolutely unforgivably bad build quality
25:09 <rust_collector> well, the consumer versions of lenovo is some of the worst laptops I have seen. I put them in the same category as the cheap plasticky consumer grade hp laptops
25:23 <Ampera> I have Toshiba consumer laptops from 2004 that have held up WAY better than this thing
25:28 <Ampera> and have gone more places and done more things
25:47 <Lemon> heh weird
25:49 <rust_collector> the T, W and X series is good. but anything else is pretty meh, Imo
25:51 <Lemon> didnt know they turned to shit
25:59 <Ampera> It's their consumer stuff
26:29 <Ampera> supposedly the thinkpads are still alright, but for me, it's like going to a diner, getting food poisoning from the eggs, and then being told, yeah the eggs are poison, but the steak is actually great
27:26 <rust_collector> I do not really care about the brand, but I do enjoy the trackpoint, which no one else does well, afaik
27:43 <Ampera> People like twiddling their laptop's clit, but I'm not a fan
27:58 <Ampera> I love touchscreens though, and that's the one thing I think I'd really miss going from a touch laptop to a macbook
28:09 <Ampera> but then again, we didn't miss them when we didn't have them, so it'll probably not be that bad
29:30 <rust_collector> that is fine. I like it, because i some times climb around in machines, and trying to use a mouse or touchscreen is not a great idea there. And I just like it in general.
29:47 <Ampera> well you're straight, that's why
29:56 <rust_collector> eeh, maybe
30:06 <Ampera> maybe straight, or maybe why
30:13 <rust_collector> yes
30:17 <rust_collector> who knows?
32:26 <Lemon> I like trackballs for that reason
32:43 <Lemon> I bought a kesington slimblad for about 40 bucks used 2 years ago
32:47 <Lemon> its super nice when the desk is crowded
32:50 <rust_collector> I think only one of you have seen me, and he seems to be pretty open to different kinds of people. maybe he did not notice
36:44 <Ysjoelfir> mornings
36:51 <Ysjoelfir> I heard we were talking about strange people?
36:54 <rust_collector> hmm, the cat is gnawing on a little bird
37:17 <rust_collector> yes.
38:28 <Ysjoelfir> tell me everything
38:40 <Jens> Allow me to interject for a moment...
38:44 <rust_collector> people are strange. that is about it
38:45 <Lemon> hmmmm I really want to build a little thermal chamber for my devices like voltage ref, ocxo's, resistors etc, maybe its doable "cheaply" with a peltier system, and some foamy stuff to make the case
39:05 <Jens> Pioneer can lick my ass. Never buy Pioneer.
39:15 <rust_collector> deal!
39:48 <Jens> Trying to find info/support for a VSX528. It's like it never existed, and I'm a crazy person.
39:59 <Jens> Trying to find if there ever was a firmware update for it.
40:05 <rust_collector> both potions are possible
40:11 <rust_collector> options
40:23 <Jens> Absolutely!
40:50 <Jens> However, I have a genuine Pioneer VSX-528 amplifier right here next to me!
40:57 <Jens> Or do I?
41:07 <K> firmware for an amplifier?
41:12 <rust_collector> not really, you have a hitachi rebranded
41:15 <Jens> As far as Pioneer is concerned, such a product never existed.
41:20 <Jens> K: Yes. *groan*
41:23 <rust_collector> what firmware do you have?
41:45 <Jens> "s9294.4004.1066"
42:28 <Jens> It has an internet radio function that's completely brain damaged, so I had a slim hope that maybe someone at Pioneer had bothered to fix it.
42:43 <rust_collector> is it a vsx.528 or os vsk-528-k
43:12 <rust_collector> arrgh. does it have a "k" on the end?
43:16 <Jens> "VSX-528" it says on the front. I've already been to the internet archive.
43:39 <rust_collector> ok, what does it say on the back?
44:20 <Jens> 230V 50 Hz
44:21 <Jens> :D
44:25 <Jens> Sec.
44:49 <Jens> Oh *there* it says -K
45:14 <rust_collector> ok
46:26 <rust_collector> nah, all I can see, is the one you have.
46:36 <Jens> Where do you see that?
46:49 <rust_collector> in my search engine
47:31 <Jens> Where as in URL
47:54 <rust_collector> https://yandex.ru/search/?text=VSX528-k%20firmware%20update&lr=105179&p=1
48:29 <Jens> Yea, nothing from Pioneer.
49:22 <Jens> https://web.archive.org/web/20180423050859/http://www.pioneer-audiovisual.eu/eu/firmware_update/417
49:24 <eevBot> [Title] - Wayback Machine
49:28 <Jens> *womp womp*
49:32 <K> thet took your money and now are laughing at you
49:35 <rust_collector> I do see it mentions something about setting up network things, are you sure that is done properly? because that would probably make internet radio suck
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51:21 <Jens> Oh technically it "works". I select "NETRADIO" and I hear some obnoxious DJ. Can't select any other station, or even see what station it's playing.
51:41 <Jens> I was hoping I could feed it a stream link somehow, but I'm probably expecting too much.
53:47 <Jens> Time to build another Pi internet radio player.
54:18 <K> what happened to the previous one?
54:33 <Jens> Nothing, it works fine. But I built it for my mom.
54:43 <Jens> https://www.jensrex.dk/img/Photo-2018-05-15-15-29-30_0459.JPG
55:38 <Jens> https://gitlab.com/JensRex/mom-radio
55:39 <eevBot> [Title] - Jens Rex / mom-radio · GitLab
56:16 <rust_collector> I want a link to jens mom on github
57:24 <rust_collector> radio berlin?
57:41 <rust_collector> I guess I am too young for german radio like that
57:47 <Jens> Yes?
58:19 <Jens> They play mostly non-crappy music. Though the crap ratio has increased somewhat lately.
58:33 <rust_collector> I only listen to swr1 baden-württemberg
58:54 <rust_collector> 3 stunde stau blahblah
59:01 <Jens> All danish radio stations broadcast pure AIDS 24/7.
59:10 <Ysjoelfir> you should try WDR2
59:24 <Jens> I'm thinking of switching to "RTL - Die besten hits aller zeiten".
59:35 <rust_collector> some times, when I am down south, I get a danish "rock radio" which is sort of ok
59:59 <Jens> Probably "myrock". It's not *as* terrible, but it has loads of ads.
00:50 <rust_collector> I just came across it, as the radio suddenly started playing. it had been silent for a couple hours
01:34 <rust_collector> Not many ads. i got the feeling it was a smaller local radio. I don't know
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05:08 <Jens> Man nobody just published plain stream URLs any more. I have to dig around with Firefox dev tools and curl to find the source.
05:14 <Jens> *es
07:22 <K> ive used https://www.internet-radio.com/ to set up my list
07:23 <eevBot> [Title] - Internet Radio: Music from Thousands of Stations
07:52 <rust_collector> I don't radio at home. haha!
08:12 <K> you are not allowed!
08:30 <rust_collector> well, and I don't. as far as you know
09:05 <K> :|
09:52 <alfbaz> ...well I finally found the fault on my desktop PC, only took me to psu's and 2 motherboards to find my last spinning HDD is the culprit
10:25 <Jens> Ysjoelfir: There are 8 different WDR2 stations.
11:17 <Ysjoelfir> they play the same music, only difference is the news
11:23 <Jens> Ah.
12:32 <rust_collector> http://mp3-live.swr.de/swr1bw_s.m3u
16:38 <Jens> http://mp3-live.swr.de/swr1bw_m.m3u is 128 kbps instead of 64.
19:45 <Jens> AAC stream: https://swr-edge-30b8-fra-ts-cdn.cast.addradio.de/swr/swr1/bw/aac/96/stream.aac
20:00 <K> 320k or bust!
20:35 <rust_collector> oh noez!
21:30 <rust_collector> does it have to be worse?
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24:14 <Ampera> 96kbps is enough gravel to fill up all the holes in the forest
30:53 <Ampera> When we live in a time where 4K video streaming is ubiquitous, you think losslessly compressed audio would be universal
37:44 <Jens> Probably not. Audio compressed with a competent codec with sane settings is transparent.
38:25 <Ampera> Depends on the audio, and your definition of competent and sane
39:00 <Ampera> If your definitions would include me as being competent and sane, I would strongly disagree with your reasoning.
39:02 <Jens> Competent and sane == AAC at ~160 kbps average.
39:06 <Ampera> nope
39:14 <Ampera> 160kbps is noticeable and way too low
39:20 <Ampera> AAC starts being tolerable at around 256kbps
39:24 <Jens> lol
39:28 <Jens> ABX or gtfo.
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40:22 <Jens> Or, if you can actually ABX AAC at 256 your input would probably be appreciated by some developers.
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