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18:21 <Nothing\> hey ho
18:29 <rust_collector> ho ho ho
18:36 <Nothing\> what'd you call me?
18:45 <rust_collector> you don't want to know
18:56 <rust_collector> so I just say ho for now
19:10 <Nothing\> ivanhoe is the story of a russian farmer and his tool
19:48 <Nothing\> that reminds me, apparently a teacher got suspended for showing their class to kill a mockingbird
19:55 <rust_collector> how are things up there in the evil cold north?
20:02 <Nothing\> this cancel culture shit's getting retarded
20:07 <Nothing\> actually, pretty warm
20:18 <Nothing\> supposed to go up to... lemme convert to yank units
20:36 <Nothing\> 77 today
20:43 <rust_collector> heh, have fun with that. not that I know why you would
20:55 <Nothing\> i never go outside
21:06 <Nothing\> i leave the house literally once a week for my methadone appointments
21:30 <Nothing\> and even then, i only see the doc every 3 weeks, so the rest of the time i just drive down there, piss in a cup, grab my script and go home
21:34 <rust_collector> so, 77 is... 25, that is at my upper limit
21:45 <Nothing\> oh, you're not a yank?
22:10 <rust_collector> nooooo not exactly.
22:12 <Nothing\> yeha it's weird, i'm comfortable using farenheit indoors, but once you go to outdoor temps, i have no clue what any temperatures are
22:37 <rust_collector> I like my temps at less than 25
22:49 <Nothing\> i also use imperial when measuring short distances, like inches and feet, but i'm clueless with miles and need to use km
23:06 <rust_collector> it is 8 here now. which is nice.
23:06 <Nothing\> or i'll use lbs instead of kg, though i'm comfortable with both
23:12 <Nothing\> and it's pretyt easy to convert
23:19 <Nothing\> where do you live again? i wanna say finland
23:25 <Nothing\> but i feel like that's wrong
23:27 <Nothing\> or netherland
23:29 <Nothing\> s
23:30 <rust_collector> it is between you and finland
23:37 <Nothing\> uk?
23:50 <Nothing\> it's always the UK
23:53 <rust_collector> uk is not between canaderp and finland, I think
24:08 <Nothing\> i'm still used to 99% of the people i talk to on IRC being american
24:30 <rust_collector> even with all the foreign people on this channel...
24:47 <Nothing\> yeah this channel's got a lot more europeans than most other places
25:40 <Nothing\> so, i finally caved and bought doom: eternal
25:41 <rust_collector> I guess it has. or maybe we go to different kinds of channels.
25:50 <Nothing\> it's a pretty good game, a lot better than the 2016 version
25:52 <rust_collector> oh no. you are DOOOMed
26:09 <Nothing\> i was reluctant cuz it's friggin $80 just for the regular version
26:27 <Nothing\> i wasn't sure exactly what the difference was with the $120 or so deluxe version so i just went with this
26:39 <rust_collector> so, is this for the swatch, or compuser?
26:42 <Nothing\> i actually pirated it first just to see how it was and deemed it worthy of buying
26:49 <Nothing\> computer
26:55 <rust_collector> ok
27:02 <Nothing\> the switch version is actually on sale for $40, but doesn't have any of the expansion packs
27:09 <Nothing\> plus the graphics are inevitably going to be worse
27:15 <Nothing\> especially at 1080p vs 4k
27:33 <rust_collector> well, it will probably be a game... but.. ok
27:41 <Nothing\> and i find with the switch versions of computer games, they always take stuff out of the switch version
28:19 <Nothing\> it's like, i dunno if you ever had a ds or 3ds, but when you'd buy wii/wii u games for the ds/3ds it'd sorta be the same game, but with crappier graphics and stuff taken out of them
29:11 <Nothing\> like this game, hyrule warriors, which is basically dynasty warriors with a legend of zelda theme, so you've got these huge swarms of enemies you have to take out and get bonuses for taking out more enemies at a time
29:14 <rust_collector> I have seen plenty of different game things, but I have only had a gameboy colour myself
29:29 <Nothing\> but with the 3ds version, the hordes were only maybe 30 enemies at most, whereas the switch version, they can be over 100 enemies at a time
30:10 <Nothing\> ah, well it's sorta been the same deal ever since the gameboy, where they'd release TV console games on handheld consoles, but they'd always be worse
30:32 <Nothing\> like mega man on the gameboy only had 4 bosses, instead of 6
30:38 <Nothing\> and shorter levels
30:52 <rust_collector> not that I ever did play games much, but I am probably in the less game is more game sort of category. i do not care about graphics and stuff, as long as it is good enough to see what I am doing
31:07 <Nothing\> lol apparently they even released mortal kombat on the gameboy, i don't even wanna think about how that was
31:18 <Nothing\> or even worse, you remember those tiger handheld games?
31:26 <Nothing\> with the crappy little 5 frame LCD displays
31:39 <rust_collector> oh yes, the press and beep games
31:50 <Nothing\> and they'd release popular NES games on them where it's not even as good as if they ported it to the atari 2600
32:02 <Nothing\> like mega man or castlevania
32:07 <Nothing\> and probably mortal kombat
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32:44 <Tezzers> Watcher : What do you think of IC9?
32:49 <Nothing\> heh i still have one of those tiger handheld games upstairs, it's some helicopter game i remember actually being pretty good. relatively speaking.
33:13 <Nothing\> but i can't really play it cuz it's missing the cover for the battery compartment, as pretty much every toy i ever owned was
33:30 <rust_collector> so, you need a 3d printer?
33:34 <Nothing\> i was thinking if i ever got a 3d printer, i could probably make new battery covers for my old toys
33:37 <Nothing\> haha exactly
33:57 <Nothing\> i told my mom i want a 3d printer and that was my first response when she asked why i would ever need one
34:18 <rust_collector> I did almost buy one a few weeks ago, but managed to not
34:43 <Nothing\> yeah i think i'll wait for the technology to mature and come down in price a bit before i get one
34:56 <Nothing\> plus it seems like ever major piece of electronics i buy just collects dust
35:19 <Nothing\> i think i used my $600 oscilloscope for like a week or two and now it's just been sitting under a towel for the last like 6 months
35:37 <Nothing\> and i haven't even used my bench power supply since i got it 4 or 5 months ago
35:47 <rust_collector> maybe you should measure the battery holes, and have some guy print them for you.
35:53 <Nothing\> i still just use a 9v cuz it's easier
36:10 <Nothing\> yeha i guess i could do that
36:28 <Nothing\> make the 3d model and send it to someone
36:38 <Ysjoelfir> rust_collector, the handle production is developing. I have got stuff for new handle blanks in the mail today, so will probably continue manufacturing prototypes on monday
36:40 <rust_collector> yeah, that would work
36:40 <Watcher> there are a lot of platforms for 3d printing
36:44 <Nothing\> except i've never used 3d modeling software except that one google released years ago. i forget what it was called
37:00 <Nothing\> but i'm guessing it went bust cuz i haven't heard anything about it since
37:29 <Nothing\> actually, i realized windows 10 comes with 3d... i dunno if i'd call it modeling software, but it lets you make 3d pictures
37:32 <rust_collector> Ysjoelfir I was talking to a biker guy yesterday, and we did talk about handles, as he had gone on a trip this easter, and it was cold
37:35 <Nothing\> it's like a 3d version of paint
38:08 <Ysjoelfir> oh, nice, you are acquiring new customers for me?
38:13 <Nothing\> Watcher, i dunno much about pcb design, but i understand it's the same deal with that.
38:21 <Nothing\> lots of different software for designing PCBs
38:43 <Nothing\> though gerber seems to be the sort of defacto format. Or at least the one I'm always hearing about.
38:57 <Nothing\> which, i dunno about you, but gerber just makes me think of baby food.
39:03 <rust_collector> well, as he said, it was ok while riding, as he had the original heated handles, and a large-ish engine between his legs, but when he got off the bike...
39:17 <rust_collector> but yes, I am collecting the herd
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40:11 <rust_collector> gerbers makes me thing of not leatherman
40:17 <Watcher> Nothing\ maybe someone have uplaod a premade model of your part to a online warehouse like thingyverse
40:20 <Nothing\> damn, i just counted and i've got 72 games on steam that i've bought in... somewhere less than a year's time
40:56 <Nothing\> Watcher, you know, given the popularity of tiger handheld games. it wouldn't surprise me if somebody's already made a model of the cover for the battery compartment
41:02 <Ysjoelfir> 72... lol
41:07 <Nothing\> i just didn't know a place like thingyverse existed
41:14 <Watcher> i am looking for yoou
41:16 <Nothing\> Ysjoelfir, you laughing cuz that's nothing compared to you?
41:33 <rust_collector> nooooothing compares lalalalaa
41:34 <Nothing\> Watcher, oh don't worry about it. i won't go to the trouble of doing it anyways.
41:56 <Nothing\> most of those games are like $10-$20 indie games, though.
42:01 <Ysjoelfir> exactly, Nothing\
42:13 <Nothing\> i have 22 games that are just based on programming or logic
42:55 <Ysjoelfir> https://steamcommunity.com/id/Ysjoelfir
42:59 <Ysjoelfir> I stopped counting
44:21 <Nothing\> like astra-256, exapunks, shenzhen i/o, while true: learn(), molex-syntez, opus magnum, tis-100, shapez.io, etc
44:39 <Ysjoelfir> I have never heard of any of those
44:50 <Nothing\> 643 games
44:50 <Nothing\> damn
45:03 <Nothing\> see, my ssd's almost full just from the games i have on steam
45:23 <Nothing\> i recently had to move a buncha media stuff off of it onto my HDD just to make more room
45:35 <rust_collector> I have atomic tanks....
45:54 <Nothing\> you guys remember the game scorched earth?
45:58 <Nothing\> that was a great damn game
46:08 <Nothing\> not so fun playing it by yourself, though
46:37 <Nothing\> i remember some years back, finding a 3d clone of it called blast doors. i had quite a bit of fun with that.
46:38 <rust_collector> ok, I am going to do stuff for a bit
46:46 <Nothing\> alright dude
46:52 <Nothing\> have fun =)
47:16 <Nothing\> Ysjoelfir, they're great games, you should check em out if you like programming oriented games
47:42 <Nothing\> some of them aren't even really games, like astra-256 is basically just a simulation of a computer you can mess around with programming in assembly
48:01 <Nothing\> and tis-100 is sorta the same, except you solve puzzles
48:21 <Ysjoelfir> I don't, as I don't like programming. at least I am realy bad at it
48:54 <Nothing\> exapunks and shenzhen i/o, you have to print out the documentation so i haven't really played them yet since i haven't got a printer but they seem sorta the same. simulated computers or APIs you use to solve puzzles
49:06 <Nothing\> Ysjoelfir, so am i, tbh
49:14 <Nothing\> but i still enjoy learning how to play these games
49:26 <Nothing\> there's one called comet 64 that was actually pretty easy to pick up
50:13 <Nothing\> has little or nothing to do with a commodore 64, as the name seems to imply, but it's the same deal, use a made up programming language to solve puzzles
50:32 <Nothing\> they're fun, but at the same time you often have to read through a bunch of documentation before you can play them
50:52 <Nothing\> although some of them, the documentation's just a few pages, but for exapunks or shenzhen, it's like 30-40 pages
51:41 <Nothing\> or some of them don't even involve programming, but rather just solving puzzles using logic in a manner similar to programming
52:00 <Nothing\> like making automated machines to churn out certain products
52:15 <Nothing\> shapez.io is like that
52:38 <Nothing\> or molek-syntez
53:19 <Nothing\> you have to build molecules using this machine you feed instructions to manipulate various other molecules and atoms
53:53 <Nothing\> set up an algorithm to have it take apart one molecule, manipulate the parts and then put them together to make new molecules
54:19 <Nothing\> then try to optimize it to do multiple molecules simultaneously
55:51 <Nothing\> or there's this one top down adventure rpg type game called hack n slash with a unique mechanic where you can edit variables in your enemies, so instead of killing something with your sword, you can edit its health to be 0, or make it harmless by editing its damage to 0 or its behavior to ignore you. Stuff like that.
56:09 <Nothing\> didn't get much of a chance to play it yet, but it seemed promising
56:35 <Nothing\> lemme see, how do you get that page with your steam profile and all that?
57:51 <Ysjoelfir> https://steamcommunity.com/id/**nickname**
58:33 <Nothing\> hrm, got a 404 on that one
58:52 <Nothing\> does this work?
58:55 <Nothing\> https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561199053986197/
59:29 <Nothing\> it says i only have 54 games, that can't be right at all
59:38 <Nothing\> i got a badge for 50 games months ago
01:02 <Nothing\> globesweeper's another fun little game. it's basically a 3d version of minesweeper, but with either a cubic, sphere with hexagonal tiles, or triangular board
02:37 <Ysjoelfir> [17:58:32] <Nothing\> hrm, got a 404 on that one <<< well, obviously.. you have to add your nickname at the place where I typed **nickname** ;)
02:59 <Nothing\> i did, heh
03:34 <Nothing\> https://steamcommunity.com/id/halonothing1
04:46 <Nothing\> ah well
06:18 <Nothing\> i think i'm gonna play some doom: eternal
11:35 * Ysjoelfir is (soon) playing Spellforce
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53:36 <rust_collector> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyORieDhpkg
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42:13 <T3sl4> TIL there are a few plants with significant amounts of lactose
42:50 <T3sl4> (probably enough to cause problems for extremely sensitive people, pretty negligible otherwise?)
43:59 <Ampera> It's not nice to call women "plants", T3sl4
44:27 <T3sl4> why not? it's a not-uncommon family name
44:48 <Ampera> Ms. Plants would be more appropriate.
57:07 <T3sl4> but what if it's mr plants?
59:59 <Ysjoelfir> mr. fancyplants?
00:18 <rust_collector> yes?
00:21 <rust_collector> oh, oops
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15:42 <gnif> \o all
15:51 <rust_collector> hey-o
16:14 <gnif> sucking down my morning coffee
16:34 <rust_collector> I am having my evening cup of vodka
16:45 <gnif> haha, nice
17:08 <gnif> I am not much of a vodka person
17:20 * T3sl4 irishes gnif's coffee
17:24 <gnif> give me a good beer any day of the week
17:33 <gnif> oh, irish coffee! nice
17:42 <rust_collector> you can try the other pace again now...
17:46 <rust_collector> place
17:58 <rust_collector> oirish
19:00 <gnif> I do like the occasional ginness
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49:16 <MrMobodies> Hello
49:34 <rust_collector> hey-o
52:20 <MrMobodies> I am going use that camera for the birds and filming me opening parcels
52:42 <MrMobodies> not going in the attic now I know there starling up there and have to wait for them to leave
53:02 <MrMobodies> hooked up an Wdnap210 for bridging
53:07 <MrMobodies> and noticed something
53:08 <MrMobodies> https://imgur.com/a/qWu8Ejl
53:43 <MrMobodies> reminds me of what BT (British Telecom) use to do from about 2010 when they had this feature I think it was called Openzone
54:03 <MrMobodies> where it shared your Wifi to strangers down the street
54:09 <MrMobodies> who were also BT customers
55:28 <MrMobodies> It was in their rebranded 2-WIRE HGV 2700 router
56:20 <MrMobodies> I think it was segragrated but with slow speeds of ADSL at the time not great
57:52 <MrMobodies> what I find strange is that willing to share the stream to a website but no instructions of for me how to see it maybe I should check further.
16:49 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: Pro Tip: When troubleshooting why your solar monitoring system isn't outputting anything, ensure the circuit breaker is ON https://t.co/GNUidBpMiN
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00:10 <Halcyon> Birbs
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13:28 <Halcyon> T3sl4: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOqKwCyA0QM
16:08 <MrMobodies> The ducks cleaning the fur
16:57 <Halcyon> Cute ducks
22:42 <MrMobodies> I saw a video on cows being interested music music
22:44 <MrMobodies> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-EzU4tfEz
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23:05 <MrMobodies> interest see their reaction
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24:12 <MrMobodies> they even make a sound after
28:59 <MrMobodies> I didn't know donkeys can love people and sit on them
29:15 <MrMobodies> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSsZ5D9Lafk
40:25 <gnif> https://twitter.com/geoffrey_mcrae/status/1381073440715599874
46:06 <MrMobodies> that looks really nice for a game console
49:14 <gnif> lol
50:02 <gnif> if you're unaware of the history, this guy tried to sell a emulator device that contained thousands of Nintendo ROMs pre-installed on it
50:11 <gnif> claiming he had an agreement with Nintendo
50:32 <gnif> this is his latest scam
51:45 <gnif> so a slikscreened version of the aliexpress device warrants a $200USD price tag
54:34 <MrMobodies> oh
55:14 <MrMobodies> I thought it was a clone with some games but wasn't aware it included Nintendo games
55:26 <MrMobodies> the screen resolution look good in the video
55:42 <MrMobodies> but I wouldn't trust the batteries
55:50 <gnif> this one likely doesn't... but my point is, $200 for a device that is $70 on aliexpress...
56:15 <gnif> i'd sooner buy a switch
56:41 <MrMobodies> oh they selling it fof $200 but it is only worth $70
57:04 <MrMobodies> on that Aliexpress
01:48 <gnif> yeah
02:20 <MrMobodies> I can see why they sometimes use the word "knock off"
03:29 <MrMobodies> where the games are worth more than the $70 unit that you don't legally own.
04:20 <MrMobodies> I want to make the camera setup portable
04:43 <MrMobodies> so I can film birds in the garden
04:45 <MrMobodies> https://imgur.com/a/4iXyqeC
05:31 <MrMobodies> and i found this that i forgot about
05:39 <MrMobodies> https://i.imgur.com/oc0cHgE.jpg
05:56 <MrMobodies> I think that was about $12 from china last year
06:46 <MrMobodies> I'll chop the mains cable off and put it on kettle plug
06:56 <MrMobodies> and strap that battery thing in there
07:23 <MrMobodies> I think that should be enough power for a couple of hours for 6 cells
07:52 <MrMobodies> seems to be working really well of the wifi bridge
09:03 <MrMobodies> yep that fits nicely
09:14 <MrMobodies> https://i.imgur.com/U8X8mDG.jpg
09:39 <MrMobodies> but I want to make it sound i remove it so I can charge batteries separately
10:03 <MrMobodies> three batteries in series
11:08 <MrMobodies> and two in parallel
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56:57 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Retweet: Ok, I'll pay that :Which was quoting: Dan Ilic 😷: NEW SEATS AVALIABLE: Come to @ARationalFear's @micomfestival show tonight 8:30pm, Melbourne Town Hall: https://t.co/TepckWZ1T1 feat. @aliterative, @samishah, @LewisHobba, @dylabolical, @JamColley, @GabbiBolt + @simonahac https://t.co/wF19v5p7H5
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09:44 <Halcyon> These noodles look delicious: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWxbqeBcYPw
15:14 <Kuschelpony> good sunday morning from german timezone
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17:40 <Halcyon> Hey Kuschelpony
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23:26 * brayden gets high school german out
23:27 <brayden> uhh
23:32 <brayden> guten sontagg morgen?
23:55 <Halcyon> I learned Japanese and Italian at school
24:00 <Halcyon> And I forget most of it
24:27 <Kuschelpony> yes, brayden, totally right
26:09 <brayden> こんばんわHalcyon
26:19 <brayden> I have the Japanese IME setup on this computer but barely know how to use it lol
26:42 * brayden switches back to US keyboard before a disaster occurs
26:46 <Halcyon> :P
26:59 <brayden> oh shit and I used the wrong one fuck
27:12 <brayden> was supposed to use konichiwa
27:23 <brayden> yeah Halcyon I plan on going to JP when borders open but it's going to be cringe
27:24 <brayden> can guarantee that
29:22 <Halcyon> I'd like to go some day
34:30 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: The Enphase Envoy generates a handy live production web page: https://t.co/8KMvslxWid
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29:23 * Ampera hugs Halcyon 
29:26 <Halcyon> :D
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29:36 <Ampera> how are you doing Halcyon
29:40 <Halcyon> I'm tired
29:45 <Halcyon> Back to work tomorrow :(
29:46 <Halcyon> How about you?
30:07 <Ampera> fine
30:19 <Ampera> I'm back to work tomorrow too, but the difference is it's 02:00 here
30:34 <Ampera> er, 02:30
34:43 <Skaface82> ew work
34:58 * Ampera breaks Skaface82 in half
35:02 <Ampera> now you don't work anymore
35:10 <Skaface82> thats not supposed to be mentioned on a Sunday
35:13 <Halcyon> :P
35:15 <Halcyon> I know
35:27 <Halcyon> I normally have Mondays off too, except for tomorrow
35:39 <Ampera> God fears me, I can talk about anything I want on the sabbath.
36:20 <Skaface82> what do you guys do for work?
36:26 <Ampera> Any day I take off past today is just more shameless delaying of my participation in our regression cycle.
36:31 <Ampera> I break shit and complain about it for a living.
37:29 <Skaface82> nice
38:05 <Halcyon> I work in the cyber security/digital forensics industry
39:39 <Skaface82> oh wow that would be interesting
39:55 <Halcyon> Yeh sometimes
40:07 <Ampera> There you go, Halcyon, your job is officially more interesting than mine.
40:08 <Halcyon> These days, I mostly manage a team, so I not on the tools as much anymore
40:18 <Ampera> You get paid more than I do anyways, so pawejgioawegaweg
40:59 <Halcyon> That's because I work in government
41:02 <Halcyon> The usually pay more
41:12 <Ampera> hahahahaha
41:17 <Ampera> that's a cute joke
41:28 <Halcyon> *here they pay more
41:47 <Halcyon> That's not to say you can't get more money in private sector, but you also work for it
42:23 <Ampera> Here the money one makes is directly proportional to how special one is.
42:24 <Halcyon> I have a long weekend every week and I can literally chop and change my roster at a whim to suit me
42:34 <Halcyon> Plus I get 6 weeks of leave each year
42:52 <Ampera> 6 weeks of vacation is a thing here, but that's with a lot of seniority where I work
42:58 <Ampera> like 15 years of it
43:03 <Halcyon> (That excludes extended/long service leave)
43:06 <Halcyon> That's seperate
43:33 <Halcyon> And things like sick leave, study leave, parental leave etc... are all seperate too
44:17 <Ampera> We all get five days of sick time a year where I work, study leave doesn't exist, but they might be nice enough to pay for it, and maternity leave depends heavily on the company and where you live
44:42 <Ampera> I have no clue what our policies are, but by the fact we typically call it "maternity" leave, you can imagine it's not the most generous on earth
45:35 <Halcyon> But yeh, this is why I work for government
45:46 <Ampera> I have no clue what government benefits are here
45:50 <Ampera> but they're not that
46:07 <Ampera> Usually public works jobs are unionized, so that brings with it a lot of extra benefits
46:18 <Ampera> so you usually get pretty awesome insurance
46:23 <Halcyon> Yeh see here, union or no union, it doesn't matter
46:33 <Halcyon> Everyone gets the same benefits (a lot of it is written into law)
47:02 <Ampera> Union is a dual edged sword here. A lot of trades and non-college professions are unionized (some states make unions illegal however)
47:35 <Halcyon> In other news, I was nomming on some BBQ corn from the USA earlier
47:37 <Ampera> but the problem comes when unions get so much power and leeway over where they work, it makes it impossible to fire or even reprimand people who majorly fuck up
48:01 <Ampera> what's so special about corn from the US
48:09 <Ampera> do they not grow corn over there?
48:19 <Halcyon> Nothing, but it wasnt until after I bought it, I saw it was imported from there
48:33 <Ampera> we grow a lot of it, but most of it isn't for people to eat
48:42 <Halcyon> Maize?
48:43 <Ampera> it's either for biofuel or animal feed
48:52 <Ampera> it's all corn here
49:01 <Halcyon> I like fresh corn
49:03 <Ampera> the distinction exists, but is not regularly used
49:07 <Halcyon> Jerry likes it too
49:13 <Ampera> I like corn when it's cheap enough to wipe your ass with it
49:29 <Ampera> some times it's cheap enough to do so, other times it's a bit stupid
49:36 <Ampera> 10-20 cents a cob is good.
49:56 <Halcyon> Ours are usually around the $1 mark
50:06 <Ampera> but food is so expensive here now because reasons, I doubt that'll happen for a while
50:22 <Ampera> doesn't help that I tend to frequent the most expensive supermarket around
50:33 <Halcyon> But unless you particularly want corn on the cob, it's just easier to buy it frozen. It has all the nutritional benefits of the fresh stuff and you don't have to de-husk and faff around with it
50:55 <Ampera> you're the first person I have ever met who has considered cooking/eating corn on the cob difficult
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51:27 <Halcyon> https://shop.coles.com.au/a/national/product/coles-corn-kernels-australian-frozen-203642p
51:30 <Ampera> you're also the first person I have ever met who has considered corn to be nutritious
51:45 <Ampera> oh yes thank you, you see we don't have freezers over here
51:50 <Halcyon> Ampera it's not difficult, but most of the time, if I'm using corn, it's as an ingredient, not as a standalone thing
51:53 <Ampera> so the concept of frozen vegetables completely passed me by
52:12 <Ampera> I totally never could have considered the sheer notion of bagged frozen corn until you sent me that link
52:15 <Skaface82> i like corn on the cob, but i dont eat it cause of how you end up with bits between your teeth
52:25 * Ampera hands Skaface82 some toothpicks
52:29 <Skaface82> ty
52:33 <Halcyon> Skaface82, yeh that's the other thing, those stringy bits are annoying :P
52:50 <Ampera> you're all such babies
52:51 <Skaface82> my corn comes in a can
53:02 <steve30> hi
53:03 <Ampera> 6 week vacations, fair parental leave policies, and easy to eat corn
53:05 <Ampera> buh
53:07 <Skaface82> with perfectly zig zag sliced carrot
53:08 * Ampera pets the steve30 
53:15 <Halcyon> And you get more value for money from buying frozen kernels as fresh corn, you pay by weight, which includes all the bits you don't eat
53:35 <Ampera> I'm not a huge fan of sweet corn
53:41 <Ampera> I'd eat it, but I'd rather have it fresh
53:44 <Halcyon> That's because you're a bitter bitch :P
53:56 <Ampera> if you get it at the right time/place fresh corn is usually cheaper
54:05 <Halcyon> Skaface82, I need to get one of those crinkle cutters
54:06 <Ampera> since 10-20 cents per cob is totally a thing
54:46 <Halcyon> https://www.mymunchbox.com.au/products/crinkle-cutter
54:48 <Halcyon> Cheap
55:05 <Skaface82> oh wow thats how you do it
55:12 <Halcyon> Haha yes
55:13 <Skaface82> what would you use that for?
55:23 <Halcyon> Vegetables in stir fries?
55:28 <Halcyon> I dunno, stuff and things
55:32 <Skaface82> haha
55:37 <Skaface82> impress people and stuff
55:38 <Halcyon> Salads
55:40 <Ampera> "4 interest free payments of 2.99 AUD fortnightly"
55:41 <Halcyon> Exactly
55:50 <Skaface82> tell them you cut them by hand with a regular knife
55:51 <Ampera> because I need to take out a loan for a utensil
56:02 <Halcyon> Ampera, yeh seems a bit silly :P
56:20 <Ampera> also free shipping for orders over 199 is not a stellar policy
56:42 <Halcyon> Yeh it's a bit rich
57:08 <Halcyon> It's literally the first link I clicked on
57:29 <Ampera> (just practicing my complaining for work tomorrow)
58:46 <Halcyon> You're a pro Ampera
59:14 <Ampera> why do you think they pay me
59:56 <Ampera> oh, Halcyon, I drove a second time yesterday
00:11 <Ampera> to a local supermarket and back, no fatalities
01:25 * steve30 nibbles on a tim tam
02:47 <steve30> Halcyon, I tried the firewire card yesterday, but to do so i had to take out the graphics card (and use the built in intel graphics). Unfortunatley my current linux install didn't like the intel graphics, so I had to give up for now. I might go and test it on another machine.
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03:38 <MrMobodies> no free pcie slots?
03:49 <Halcyon> Bugger
03:58 <Halcyon> Hooray Ampera!
04:11 <steve30> I have two slots, but my graphics card is double wisth
04:14 <steve30> *width
04:27 * Ampera coats a wire in vaseline and sets it on fire, hands it on steve30 
04:30 <Ampera> *to
04:32 <Ampera> there you go
04:44 <steve30> \o/
04:47 <Halcyon> :P
05:25 <Halcyon> I want a Roland MT-32
05:26 <Skaface82> firewire? i thought that died in the 2000's
05:40 <Halcyon> Skaface82, several of us are fans of old technology
05:48 <Ampera> several of us are old technology
05:54 <Ampera> notably Halcyon
05:54 <Halcyon> steve30, literally still uses a camera that records to tape :P
05:59 <Halcyon> :P
06:15 <Ampera> I can beat that, I use a camera that records to paper
06:17 <Halcyon> I mean it's not Hi-8 but still, not far off
06:25 <Skaface82> i have a collection of old computers so I can relate
06:31 <Halcyon> Oh what do you have Skaface82 ?
06:46 <MrMobodies> I once had a double width graphics card but it broke
06:53 <MrMobodies> came a with a deal
06:55 * steve30 does 1080i to tape these days :)
07:03 <MrMobodies> I think it was a Geforce 295
07:08 <MrMobodies> with dual gpus
07:20 <Ampera> Twice the GPU, half the performance :P
07:22 <Halcyon> I have dual GPUs too
07:25 <Skaface82> mostly macs, amstrad CPC
07:26 <Ampera> all the cools
07:27 <Halcyon> x2 Voodoo II cards :P
07:31 <MrMobodies> I was disappointed with it for two reasons
07:37 <MrMobodies> one was that and the other was heat
07:40 <Ampera> mmmm, macs
07:53 <Halcyon> I have some Macs from when they were good (pre-Intel macs)
07:58 <Ampera> I'm waiting for Apple to stop playing with themselves and release their new macbook pros
08:09 * Ampera wants a post-intel mac
08:10 * steve30 pets his PowerMac g4
08:11 <Skaface82> i have a colour classic and SE/30 and others
08:22 <steve30> I should still try and find a use for my iMac G5
08:25 <Halcyon> I have a few classics, don't know if I have an SE
08:31 <Ampera> A Macintosh II with MMU to run AU/X would also be really cool
08:37 <steve30> Might be worth reinstalling OSX on it; it currently seems a bit buggy
08:40 <Halcyon> I have a IIe
08:48 <Skaface82> oh yeah i forgot about my IIe
08:51 <Ampera> steve30, there's sadly not much you can run on a G5 in terms of OS
08:58 <Ampera> I know from trying with my Power Mac G5
09:08 <Ampera> FreeBSD is an option if you can handle waiting for shit to compile
09:16 <Ampera> OpenBSD is very good on macppc, but it's 32-bit only
09:24 <Halcyon> https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/114759797091?ul_noapp=true
09:27 <Ampera> so if you have >2GB of RAM, you're out of luck
09:28 <Halcyon> $500 fucking dollars!
09:34 <MrMobodies> is that the one with the water cooler?
09:41 <MrMobodies> by cooligy
09:44 <Ampera> yeah that's a water cooled MT32
09:47 <Ampera> er, SC55
09:58 <Ampera> those were all the rage for musicians who lived in ponds
10:13 <MrMobodies> I find the power supplies interesting where they had the bolts on as the connectors
10:14 <Ampera> no the power mac I have isn't water cooled
10:23 <MrMobodies> oh
10:27 <Ampera> it's a dual single core CPU model
10:59 <Ampera> which is probably for the best, as the water cooled models tend to have bad cases of incontinence, so I'd have to figure out how to get the thing to not wet itself
11:03 <MrMobodies> I notice the ones that run hot break down quicker
11:20 <Ampera> It would be really neat to have one of the 2x2 G5's though
11:28 <MrMobodies> a spare socket?
11:34 <MrMobodies> that's handy
11:48 <Ampera> wha?
11:50 <MrMobodies> only to find a heatsink on ebay
12:10 <MrMobodies> ah one cpu you said, I thought there was a second socket
12:18 <Ampera> <Ampera> it's a dual single core CPU model
12:23 <Ampera> 2x1CPU
12:31 <MrMobodies> oh on the motherboard
12:37 <Ampera> and as far as I know they're soldered, not socketed
12:53 <MrMobodies> I came across one of them and it wasn't an intel
13:09 <MrMobodies> it had two and they were mounted on these boards with many pins underneath
13:21 <MrMobodies> and it was watercooled
13:41 <MrMobodies> sorry about that I mistook it for that
14:15 <Ampera> You seem to like apologizing a lot. I demand an apology for your apology.
14:16 <MrMobodies> very much like this: https://i.ytimg.com/vi/H6rdlXtQO0A/maxresdefault.jpg
14:34 <Ampera> Interesting
14:35 <MrMobodies> oh an apology for not apologizing again
14:57 <Ampera> as I thought all the water cooled 2x2 models were PCIe
14:57 <MrMobodies> I am mistake and accident prone and feel the need to do that attimes
15:10 <Ampera> yeah but this is IRC, not a china shop
15:17 <MrMobodies> oh
15:33 <MrMobodies> I think one I came across had a pcix slot as well I'll have to check
16:06 <Ampera> yeah that's not a 2x2 one then
16:20 <Ampera> then it must be that some of the 2x1 models were water cooled
16:27 <Ampera> in which case I should probably open mine up to see if it is
16:43 <Ampera> I'm 90% sure that it isn't
17:15 <Ampera> ah, 2.5 and 2.7ghz dual CPU models were water cooled
17:19 <Ampera> no clue what mine is
17:30 <Skaface82> [ https://imgur.com/a/4nStuXj ] I am so happy right now
17:57 <MrMobodies> heere we go
17:58 <Ampera> sushi bento?
18:09 <Ampera> looks good
18:12 <MrMobodies> oh not uploaded yet blob
18:36 <MrMobodies> https://imgur.com/a/8fn90jR
19:05 <Ampera> yeah that's one of the 2.5 or 2.7ghz models according to Wikipedia
19:09 <MrMobodies> https://i.imgur.com/2YW3fbm.jpg
19:13 <MrMobodies> and they all pcie slots
19:21 <MrMobodies> on that one in the pictures
19:52 <MrMobodies> one thing i wouldn't buy is something thats gets too hot
20:06 <MrMobodies> too many experiences of them stuff breaking down
20:11 <Ampera> was that your machine?
20:13 <MrMobodies> and I end up the looser
20:22 <MrMobodies> no it belonged to a owner of a bathroom warehouse
20:27 <Ampera> haha
20:45 <Ampera> that could have been one of the quadcore models
21:03 <MrMobodies> I think it was a multicore and not an Intel
21:05 <Ampera> in fact
21:13 <Ampera> looking at it that has to be a 2x2 G5 machine
21:36 <MrMobodies> I phoned apple to find out how much another board would cost
21:38 <Ampera> since only those machines with the PCIe had the water cooling
21:50 <MrMobodies> and they said the month before the product life ended
22:11 <MrMobodies> and he had stored for over 2 years
22:27 <MrMobodies> It did get hot after a while
22:35 <MrMobodies> when it worked but it would come on on vibration
22:46 <MrMobodies> like there was a dry joint somewhere
23:06 <MrMobodies> that's when I put back
23:35 <Ampera> They are really cool machines, but are nothing but walking problems the moment macOS support was dropped
24:17 <Ampera> It's the closest thing I presently have, though, to my dream of a non-x86 workstation. It's just far too old for me to consider using
24:26 <Ampera> (in the modern day)
25:19 <MrMobodies> I think you said you have to compile stuff and it takes a long time
26:01 <Ampera> That's on machines where FreeBSD, which is one of the few operating systems to still have support for the G5, works at all
26:02 <MrMobodies> ah found it "FreeBSD is an option if you can handle waiting for shit to compile"
26:20 <MrMobodies> that's good, thats what I like about Freebsd
26:33 <MrMobodies> they support many old things
26:42 <Ampera> On my G5 it doesn't like the SATA card
26:45 <MrMobodies> including those Alteon network cards from 1997
26:58 <MrMobodies> anything to do with the bios on there?
27:00 <Ampera> so without access to any of the hard drives, I can't much install
27:07 <Ampera> it doesn't have a BIOS, it's not a PC
27:20 <MrMobodies> i mean the sata controller
27:29 <Ampera> it's an integrated controller
27:34 <Ampera> it also probably doesn't have firmware
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27:49 <MrMobodies> oh boot support on the sata
28:06 <Ampera> no
28:12 <MrMobodies> I might have a few old cards lying around, not sure if they will work
28:15 <Ampera> no
28:26 <Ampera> I have PCI-X SATA cards anyways
28:27 <MrMobodies> Silicon image 3112 stuff
28:30 <MrMobodies> oh
28:35 * Halcyon licks Ampera
28:39 <Ampera> The problem is the onboard controller has a kernel bug on FreeBSD
29:02 <Ampera> it needs to be the onboard controller, or one of the very few supported by FreeBSD on powerpc64
29:24 <MrMobodies> I see, I misunderstood, onboard sata
29:36 * Ampera puts Halcyon down, like the dog he is
29:43 <MrMobodies> I get the information wrong and it is embarassing for me
29:45 <Halcyon> :(
30:35 <Ampera> MrMobodies, nothing wrong with it
30:37 <Ampera> don't worry
30:47 <Ampera> I only get mad when Halcyon's wrong
30:52 <Ampera> and when he's right
30:55 <Ampera> or in the channel
30:57 <Ampera> or not in the channel
31:28 <Halcyon> Thankfully it's not very often I'm wrong :P
31:52 <Ampera> Only on all the days that end in y
32:22 <Halcyon> Good thing my calendar is in Russian
32:23 <Halcyon> :P
32:53 <Halcyon> Finnish also works
33:22 <MrMobodies> taking of boises I came across this interesting machine by Sun
33:31 <MrMobodies> https://i.imgur.com/9Utimhz.jpg
33:37 <MrMobodies> the three squared in red
33:53 <MrMobodies> it seems to bootup on this service card witha Powerpc in there
33:54 <Halcyon> What are they?
33:56 <MrMobodies> then it turns on
34:33 <MrMobodies> Sun servers, 2 xeons and 1 dual core amd
34:40 <MrMobodies> donated to a youth club in London
35:10 <MrMobodies> I installed pfsense and the bottom is the carp
35:53 <MrMobodies> it was about to be binned and the driver delivered it one night
36:04 <steve30> I'm just having a go at compiling a new kernel
36:11 <Ampera> needs more SPARC
36:21 <MrMobodies> unfortunately health and safety came in and condemned the building
36:24 <MrMobodies> everything had to come out
36:34 <Ampera> now that's what I call a youth club
36:36 <MrMobodies> and the owner was in tears
36:49 <MrMobodies> it is an interesting building classed as unusual
36:58 <MrMobodies> it had asbestos in there at one point
37:37 <MrMobodies> http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-gUoWnCEA3TA/T_xn5AclulI/AAAAAAAAIGI/hYTjzJ9a7F0/s1600/P1010150.JPG
37:44 <MrMobodies> Green Light Youth CLub Bow Road
38:00 <MrMobodies> they had a canteen in there cooked for the local police
38:03 <MrMobodies> it is a charity too
38:06 <Halcyon> Looks like an old pub/hotel
38:18 <MrMobodies> it use to be many things, a shower house in 50's
38:26 <MrMobodies> hotel in the 60's
38:40 <MrMobodies> but one day the police were waiting for a student
38:54 <MrMobodies> they downloading stuff using their wifi
39:00 <Halcyon> Shower house?
39:09 <MrMobodies> apparently the student got jaiked and they told to turn off their wifi
39:11 <MrMobodies> yes
39:18 <MrMobodies> it had this massive great showe room in there
39:22 <MrMobodies> it was turned into toilets
39:27 <Halcyon> Sounds interesting :P
39:31 <MrMobodies> the pipe work is still there
39:39 <MrMobodies> but the building had no ventillation
39:48 <MrMobodies> that means couldn't leave things running there
40:24 <MrMobodies> the owners are African and Carrabean
41:53 <MrMobodies> next time I do work for someone I am going get health and safety involved so we can agree on one thing
42:14 <MrMobodies> in a building like that it is had to do anything without the correct paper work and permission
42:39 <MrMobodies> I mean for that sort of work
43:15 <MrMobodies> https://imgur.com/a/2BKv47i
43:44 <MrMobodies> better view of the equipnment
43:56 <steve30> Halcyon, I managed to trigger the HDD to reallocate some of its bad sectors. SMART now reports 36600 reallocated sectors
44:11 <Halcyon> Hmmm
44:13 <Halcyon> :(
44:49 <MrMobodies> what hdd is it?
45:09 <steve30> ST100828A
45:25 <MrMobodies> I remembered experiencin issues like that with many 2.5 inch WD blue scorpio drives
45:52 <Halcyon> I mean it is used and its origin is unknown
46:17 <steve30> I do find it amusing that it only has 7 days on its clock :)
46:20 <MrMobodies> can't find any information on the model
46:24 <Halcyon> Really?
46:27 <MrMobodies> of that dirve
46:33 <steve30> yup
46:45 <Halcyon> Seems kind of low
47:02 <MrMobodies> what size it is? 100mb 800mb?
47:08 <steve30> 100GB
47:19 <MrMobodies> oh sata or ide
47:21 <steve30> IDE
47:29 <Halcyon> I sent it to Steve in the mail
47:34 <MrMobodies> I once had a drive in 2004 and it had this fault
47:37 <Halcyon> It was just in my collection of drives
47:54 <MrMobodies> when filling the drive it would not write anymore
47:56 <Halcyon> I would have removed it from a machine a while ago
48:20 <MrMobodies> until low level formatting it
48:45 <MrMobodies> I could not find anyone with the same issue
49:14 <MrMobodies> I think it was a 120gb advertising with NCQ at the time
49:30 <MrMobodies> nice and quick but it became annoying when that happened
49:49 <steve30> I should probably test the HDDs in my PowerMac. They're getting old now.
50:05 <MrMobodies> are they noisy?
50:32 <MrMobodies> I mean with the motor bearings
50:33 <steve30> No louder that they ever were
51:48 * Ampera has instant miso tonkotsu ramen
52:38 <MrMobodies> I remembered my first raid setup
52:52 <MrMobodies> on heave loads it reminded me of a tune
53:06 <MrMobodies> Chaka Khan feel for you right at the ending bit
53:42 <MrMobodies> A megaraid 1600 with 8 4gb scsi 2 drives
55:38 * Halcyon hovers around Ampera's ramen
55:47 <MrMobodies> https://imgur.com/a/MBZjPrv
56:08 <MrMobodies> that was in 2004
56:22 <MrMobodies> not terifically fast through
56:36 <MrMobodies> I got them down a computer fare for £1 each those scsi drives
56:58 <MrMobodies> including the 4 large segate ones in the case
57:44 <MrMobodies> ramen, that sounds to me like a name of a god
03:12 <MrMobodies> it seems quiet now, did I say anything to cause that?
04:00 <Halcyon> I was eating :)
05:38 <MrMobodies> aah breakfast time and it is 9am in england
05:56 <Halcyon> I am pooped
06:06 <Halcyon> I think I'll be heading to bed soonish
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13:49 * Erhard grumbles
13:55 <Ampera> >:D
13:57 <Ampera> EXPRESS YOUR RAGE
14:03 * Erhard screams
14:03 <Ampera> BREAK THINGS
14:05 <Ampera> HURT PEOPLE
14:05 <Ysjoelfir> mornings
14:10 <Ampera> BURN STUFF
14:10 <Ysjoelfir> oi!
14:11 <Ysjoelfir> stop!
14:11 * Ampera hugs Ysjoelfir 
14:18 <Ysjoelfir> no destroyage of stuff in my channel!
14:20 * Erhard throws the spectrum analyzer at the wall.
14:36 * Ysjoelfir catches it midflight and adds it to his collection
14:43 <MrMobodies> going to have some scramble eggs soon and i'll be off to bed
14:43 * Erhard cries
14:54 <Skaface82> nice catch
14:54 <Erhard> Good luck catching the old HP
14:55 * Ysjoelfir pets Erhard
14:57 <Erhard> YOu would die
15:06 <Ampera> Death /and/ a spectrum analyzer?
15:08 <Ampera> sounds like a win win
15:12 <Erhard> LOL
15:29 <Ysjoelfir> nah. I already caught a tek 555 falling from 3 meters onto me once... I think I am pretty well prepared
15:37 <Erhard> Nice
16:08 <Erhard> I have an old Tek 564 I restored
16:17 <Erhard> A Store scope from the 60s
16:21 <Erhard> Storage
17:03 <Ysjoelfir> I have..... a 555, 565, 564, 546, 502A, 502A, 502A, 310, 4......somethingsomething, and I think I forgot one or two of the 56x series
17:14 <Ysjoelfir> erm, 54x
17:27 <Erhard> LOL
17:35 <brayden> therealazzurro, how'd the manjaro experiment go?
17:46 <Erhard> I have a 564 2465 2232 74xx Keysight modern DSO
17:51 <Erhard> Oh, Tek SC504
18:03 <Erhard> The little one
18:10 <Erhard> Fits in the tm500
18:18 <Erhard> Sweet little two channel 80MHZ scope
18:21 <Ysjoelfir> oh gawd.... Do I have to go to the lab next door and see what modern-ish stuff I keep collecting dust? XD
18:56 <Ysjoelfir> Btw, I highly recommend you getting a 502A. Its SUCH a nice Tek Scope.
19:42 <Erhard> Interesting
19:48 <Erhard> Differential scope
19:50 <Erhard> Cool
20:15 <Ysjoelfir> yes. Its one of two Teks I keep in the lab.
20:25 <Erhard> I gotta say the 564 has the sharpest trace I have ever seen
20:37 <Erhard> It is amazing., Like a .5mm pencil
20:53 <Erhard> Anything low bandwidth that guy is a great scope
20:59 <Erhard> I have the four channel intput module
21:14 <Erhard> That bitch shocked me, though
22:01 <Erhard> I got my finger about 1/4" from one of the ceramic component holders. I htink hair must have gottent oo close to the 3.5kV
22:16 <Erhard> a Hair on my finger got too close to it
22:26 <Erhard> I was holding a ground lead.
22:37 <Erhard> Next I know I was on the floor.
22:51 <Ysjoelfir> That is very correct. The old tek scopes were amazingly sharp if in good shape and restored correctly. The other The second one I keep in the Lab is the 565, because I have the 3A5 Plugin for that (and still look for information what to do with that...).
22:56 <Erhard> Wondered if I was dead. Started to think can I call my wife before I am gone?
23:14 <Ysjoelfir> lol, yep, they can be little beasts when working on them.
23:44 <Erhard> I definitely did not touch it, but a hair might have
23:48 <Erhard> Sacry stuff
23:56 <Erhard> 3a5.. Interesting
25:38 <Erhard> I have a DD501 for the tm500.. Another, cool if you need it plugin
26:44 <Erhard> Need a DM 5010 meter?
26:48 <Erhard> GPIB, etc.
26:54 <Erhard> For tm5000 series
27:32 <Erhard> I got all kinds of tm500/tm5000 crap
27:39 <Erhard> Tek made some cool stuff
27:50 <Ysjoelfir> I never ventured into the tm stuff
28:02 <Erhard> It is addictive
29:03 <Ysjoelfir> my collection interest is mostly the tube stuff, eg. the 500 series. I never realy got interested eg. in the 7000 series (in fact, I hate the optics of those.... Had a Rackmopunt 7503 or whatever once.... crappt thing, hated it)
29:23 <Ysjoelfir> dang it, my typing is a bit off today
29:35 <Erhard> The tube stuff is fun
29:43 <Erhard> I do ham radio, and I love all the tube stuff
29:52 <Erhard> old tube receivers too
29:59 <Erhard> The 564 was a lot fo fun.
30:24 <Ysjoelfir> I love ham. especially serrano and westfalian ham.
30:25 <Ysjoelfir> ;P
30:31 <Erhard> I have an old Tube sig gen. it will do very low frency, like 0.1 Hz or less
30:34 <Erhard> Exact
40:31 <Ampera> All my vacuum tubes are CRT's
41:29 <Ysjoelfir> all my vacuum tubes are... erm... about 1200 pcs of various stuff
42:42 <Erhard> Cool. I need to head out. Have a good one.
42:51 <Ysjoelfir> enjoy
42:57 * hsn vacuums Ampera 
43:21 <hsn> hey Ysjoelfir
43:27 <Ysjoelfir> hi hsn
43:30 <hsn> question
43:34 <Ampera> answer
44:12 <hsn> i got "hirercal design" in altium
44:38 <Ysjoelfir> who is that?
45:02 <hsn> hierarchical
45:03 <hsn> lol
45:08 <Ysjoelfir> ah
45:13 <Ysjoelfir> yes, thats very nice, I love that
45:19 <hsn> and .. i got "duplicate net name"
45:35 <Ysjoelfir> how did you build up the hirarchy?
45:36 <hsn> in project options its set "net identifier scope" to hierarchical"
45:48 <hsn> top -> contains 2 sub sheets
46:11 <hsn> let me picture it
47:06 <hsn> pic1 : https://snipboard.io/UE16or.jpg
47:54 <hsn> pic2: https://snipboard.io/q1N75S.jpg
48:06 <hsn> this ocp_fault is within the two sheets ..
48:10 <hsn> sub sheets
48:12 <hsn> i mean
48:16 <hsn> and its not ported
48:37 <Ysjoelfir> Try to send it to a port
48:55 <hsn> but its local net
49:01 <hsn> i dont want to share it
49:11 <hsn> with other sheet
49:22 <Ysjoelfir> hmm.... I wonder why that happenes. let me show you one thing
49:32 <hsn> ok
50:54 <hsn> usually if i want to share it .. i can make it global by making it "port" and connect it in parent sheet .. i can just rename one of the labels and fix this issue .. but it shouldnt happen in first place
51:22 <Ysjoelfir> indeed. see, I have this block diagram: https://snipboard.io/yaRv5x.jpg
51:24 <hsn> or make it global by making it power port
52:22 <Ysjoelfir> and inside the left sheet is this subsheet full of subsheets: https://snipboard.io/y4PaHw.jpg
53:16 <hsn> so can u have "duplicate net names" in these subsheets ?
53:40 <Ysjoelfir> the Filter and ADC blocks are Identical and it worked that way last time without duplicated net error. I can't test it now since I redesigned the thing and some of scheets aren't finished yet, so....
54:13 <hsn> ah
54:17 <hsn> yeah .. wierd
54:35 <Ysjoelfir> maybe our allmighty master, T3sl4, has an idea?
54:47 <hsn> i think my issue will be within the "project options"
03:12 <Ysjoelfir> that could be the case, but I am not sure, I didn't change that much in the options the last time
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58:12 <hsn> Ysjoelfir, so i noticed u use "off sheet connector" ?
58:47 <hsn> this : ">>" thing between ur schematics
59:47 <Ysjoelfir> you mean U Hi, U Lo, I Hi and I Lo? yes. Though thats only visual for me atm, though I THINK those are neccessary for the multi board assembly thing.
03:00 <hsn> ah ok , i was like "whats different between those and "ports"
03:29 <hsn> "off sheet connector" and "ports" .. the hell with my double quotes
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05:31 <Ysjoelfir> tbh, I don't know what those are for, as I said I just used them as a visual reminder^^
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09:05 <Ysjoelfir> I would love to see that
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43:53 <steve30> extlinux
44:17 <jimmydevice> That's new to me
44:45 <steve30> A variant of syslinux
45:07 <steve30> I was using LILO but I upgraded to a NVME drive and LILO doesn't seem to support NVME
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52:40 <jimmydevice> I'm virtual-boxed (again, we have a relationship, VMWare is the evil father)
54:36 <jimmydevice> Always liked slack for fun, from the 90's Seems to be a pain in the ass last install.
54:58 <jimmydevice> Cent was my go-to
58:49 <jimmydevice> Or mint
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15:24 <hsn> Ysjoelfir, from altium documentation .. i was reading and just wanted to share
15:27 <hsn> The recommended approach is to use Net Labels within each sheet and Ports to connect between sheets. Ports offer more features than Off-Sheet Connectors, including the ability to add Port Cross References, which adds a SheetName[GridReference] to each port, referring to a matching port on another sheet, as shown in the image below.
17:18 <hsn> this is for "flat design" not hierarchical .. but i guess that port thing is applicable in both
17:54 <Ysjoelfir> I see, thanks
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32:33 <Reg7805> hi guys
34:09 <brayden> hey
34:44 <Reg7805> whats happening?
37:07 <Reg7805> question, im looking to stock up lots of components for the summer to learn stuff, any reccomendations on what should buy, can be anything, i need to buy a lot stuff, so fire on. Thanks
39:46 <hsn> take jelly bean stuff i guess ?
41:34 <Reg7805> can be anyhing, i only have some capcitors, resistors, and ripped out transistors from scrap
42:17 <brayden> maybe dream up some projects and just grab what you need for them?
43:13 <Reg7805> yes have list of dream projects, with compoents to buy, just looking for more i should buy
43:41 <Reg7805> becuase it takes while to get the components
46:12 <hsn> will .. i think take few op amps and comparators .. few bjt transistors both npn and pnp .. few mosfets .. for a start ..
46:36 <hsn> resistors, capacitors, inductors, diodes, zener diodes ?
47:55 <hsn> linear regulator, switching regulators, 74 series logic ics, 555 timer, references like lm431 ?
49:53 <Reg7805> thanks will look around for stuff you have say
53:46 <Reg7805> any good recomendations on breadboard, non of that cheap china ones (there are not good), please
54:36 <hsn> r u on usa based ?
54:47 <Reg7805> uk based
55:22 <hsn> i guess websites like digikey uk and mouser offer cheap delivery ? or ?
55:51 <hsn> for me i have to pay 75$ for their international shipping ..
56:45 <Reg7805> there are reasonable for me if order from farnell
56:57 <Reg7805> the other ones are fine tho
58:06 <hsn> https://theknowledgeaccelerator.com/2016/04/16/jellybean-components/ <-- this have a list of common compoennts
59:13 <Reg7805> thanks, good list
59:20 <hsn> also in eevblog forum there are threads for that ..
59:30 <hsn> im not sure which one is the good one ..
59:38 <hsn> https://www.eevblog.com/forum/beginners/jelly-bean-parts-everyone-should-have-on-hand/ <--- this one as example look at replies
59:41 <Reg7805> yes at the moment i am looking around
00:47 <hsn> i also think its a good to have a good project in mind and work on it .. before u end up like me .. buying and piling stuff and never use them ..
18:34 <electrohead> o/
21:21 <Reg7805> thanks hsn
22:33 <hsn> electrohead, o/
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