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07:12 <electrohead> o/
07:17 <Ysjoelfir> mornings!
08:47 * electrohead yawns and stares
10:10 <Kuschelpony> good evening
19:51 <Ysjoelfir> I wonder.... has someone of you guys ever tried to drive an RGB parallel display with a micro? I got my greedy hands on a whole shitload of those https://datasheetspdf.com/pdf-file/1099645/INNOLUX/PT035TN01-V5/1 and wonder if I could, instead of selling them with a profit, build some small series product with it. T3sl4, Kuschelpony, electrohead, you come to my mind as great tinkerers that would maybe try that :D
19:53 <eevBot> [Title] - PT035TN01-V5 datasheet
20:12 <Ysjoelfir> oh and electrohead, I think the bot has his hello threshold set to 100%
20:17 <Ysjoelfir> hello
20:18 <eevBot> Hello, Ysjoelfir!
20:20 <Ysjoelfir> hello
20:21 <Kuschelpony> let me check the datasheet
20:21 <eevBot> Hello, Ysjoelfir!
20:23 <Ysjoelfir> hello
20:24 <eevBot> Hello, Ysjoelfir!
20:25 <T3sl4> hello eevBot
20:26 <eevBot> Hello, T3sl4!
21:03 <electrohead> yeah, I'll have to change that, now that people are purposely going to be saying hello constantly
21:39 <Ysjoelfir> didn't you have some crude randomization in place for that?
21:50 <electrohead> for the hello part? no
21:58 <electrohead> for the hug thing, I did
22:05 <T3sl4> Ysjoelfir, oh one of those no-ram panels? yeah, there are micros with that built in
22:10 <Ysjoelfir> aaah ok
22:20 <Kuschelpony> argh, do you please have a direct pdf link or so?
22:26 <Ysjoelfir> T3sl4, yes. a very basic one that does nothing by itself basically
22:26 <T3sl4> good luck bitbanging that, but a DMA might do ok, if you can also drive a bus with it
22:51 <Ysjoelfir> Kuschelpony wait a sec, I found a direct link to an older version of the datasheet before
23:02 <Ysjoelfir> https://www.beyondinfinite.com/lcd/Library/Innolux/PT035TN01.pdf
23:11 <T3sl4> i could send you one of these boards, https://www.seventransistorlabs.com/Images/DisplayCtrlTop.jpg which has such a bus between the middle and right chips
25:10 <electrohead> Ysjoelfir: you have a picture of the actual product?
26:27 <Ysjoelfir> so... for me as a... not realy beginner, but definitely not great programmer. could someone describe to me in an easy way what the exact problem with those LCDs is? as far as I understood it it displays exactly what you tell it to do, you just have to tell it pixel by pixel and get the timing right. sounds... doable? and T3sl4, what exactly does it?
26:32 <Ysjoelfir> electrohead, sure, I take a pic for you
26:51 <T3sl4> the it that it does is generating those signals :P
27:04 <T3sl4> it has attached ram and talks parallel bus
27:17 <T3sl4> would be a good fit in a PC if you like retro :P
27:21 <Kuschelpony> hmm, looks like its a bit fussy aboiut power sequencing the multiple rails
28:14 <Ysjoelfir> electrohead https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-sl2OVvPp6A1lwrUth_6i9mFNlc1VbJE/view?usp=sharing
28:14 <eevBot> [Title] - 302 Moved
28:17 <T3sl4> that particular disp controller has tons of frame buffers, a handful of neat features, and basic writing (runs of 8 pixels at a time)
28:27 <Ysjoelfir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-sCYjYMrBcKM763dHhh7HYTnd4QtylbO/view?usp=sharing
28:28 <eevBot> [Title] - 302 Moved
28:40 <Kuschelpony> interesting, thats totally close to classic television timing, so it was perhaps meant as a video monitor
28:40 <T3sl4> it's rather pricey so doesn't seem a good fit to a measly 320x240 panel :P but just to say it should work
29:06 <Kuschelpony> i do have an idea where these would be valuable, as smallsize monitors for retro computers
29:12 <T3sl4> yeah, displays didn't really start from scratch, just variations on an old theme
29:19 <electrohead> just curious - why do you use google for picture sharing?
29:44 <T3sl4> the 24b parallel bus is basically analog raster into a triple ADC + pixel clock
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30:09 <T3sl4> or else, raw digital from the ramdac, sans dac
30:44 <Ysjoelfir> T3sl4, so to say it simple: your project makes it more easy to display stuff by handling the communication and being able to restore already displayed stuff from ram?
30:51 <Kuschelpony> if it works by shifting, like the greyscale panels i knowed from really old laptops, then i can also driven by lower resolution signals, which would just repeat the content to the reight and low margin like a wllpaper
31:04 <T3sl4> it has a persistent display without mcu activity
31:40 <T3sl4> Kuschelpony: you could do that if you tie a bunch of lines together (namely all of them :P ) but you need 24 times that to get, well, 24 bit color :P
32:12 <Kuschelpony> i meant driving it with digital signals like EGA
32:38 <Ysjoelfir> Kuschelpony: Jep, I noticed the fiddly powerup sequence as well, but it shouldn't be THAT hard to do.
32:46 <T3sl4> but you need 6 times that to get, well, 6 bit color :P
32:58 <Ysjoelfir> electrohead: I use google drive just for one very simple reason: I have it on my phone and it automatically syncs to my PC.
33:19 <Ysjoelfir> and I can share stuff and remove shared stuff easily
33:52 <electrohead> ahh :p
36:54 <Ysjoelfir> so, in conclusion... do you think it would be worth using those screens? I bought them before just because they were realy cheap (250 pcs, new, for 15€) and I wanted to resell them, but now I am nosy and want to see if I can make them work :P
37:32 <T3sl4> well yes, most likely :P
38:26 <Kuschelpony> i might be somewhat interested as retro monitors, but not the bare screen
39:08 <Ysjoelfir> so I should combine one with T3sl4 's board and sell them to you? :D
39:29 <T3sl4> they'll run doom alright, or should
39:44 <T3sl4> but you'll need a stm32f4 or so to handle the rest of that :P
40:45 <Ysjoelfir> you mean, handle the doom part? :P
40:59 <T3sl4> yes
41:29 <Kuschelpony> commenting to https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/seriously-anyone-know-the-story-and-meaning-of-ol-on-multimeters/msg3556107/
41:31 <Ysjoelfir> heh
41:31 <eevBot> [Title] - Seriously, anyone know the story and meaning of "OL" on multimeters? - Page 1
42:20 <Ysjoelfir> If I ever build a DMM I should make that OOR. Or OOM.
42:32 <Kuschelpony> as far as i know that originates from chipsets where the integrator-counter was seperate from the display driver and the communication between went through BCD
42:56 <electrohead> https://i.imgur.com/J0j3xPs.gifv
42:57 <eevBot> [Title] - Imgur
43:00 <Kuschelpony> so displaying "1" and some blanks was possible, "OL" not until everything was integrated in one chip
43:51 <Ysjoelfir> I remember the 1 and blanks. or better, mine has 1 and dots
43:58 <Kuschelpony> and "overload" in resistance measurmeents, well internally resistance is measured as voltage and with open input the voltage is over the maximum resitance
44:59 <Ysjoelfir> you got a point there
47:17 <Kuschelpony> i cant exactly remember the chipset, might have been somehing like CA3181 or similar numbers who did this with the "1" thing
47:53 <Kuschelpony> anfd the resistance thing is described in early ICL7106 datasheets and appnote well
49:04 <Kuschelpony> they have a relative measurement circuit where the unknown resistor is in paralell to the unknown voltage input, while the reference resistor is in paralell wit hthe reference voltage input, so the circuit works purely ratiometeric independ of any absolute current
49:45 <Ysjoelfir> ICL7136 is in the one I have that shows 1 . . .
51:02 <Kuschelpony> probably carried overfrom the early multi-chip-sets
51:40 <Kuschelpony> i try hard to remember which chip it was that displayed "^^^^" on overload
51:59 <Ysjoelfir> aww, I would like to have a happy meter like that :D
52:21 <Kuschelpony> well it was an inverted "u" but meant to be "^"
52:41 Quit: Lemon ([email protected]) Ping timeout: 121 seconds
52:43 <Ysjoelfir> could still be kinda cute
58:35 <Ysjoelfir> T3sl4, what would you want to have for the lcd controller? I think for my first steps with those LCDs that might be helpfull to check if I made some mistakes talking to the thing.
59:40 <T3sl4> have as in payment?
59:46 <Ysjoelfir> yes.
00:09 <Ysjoelfir> I am a bit broke atm, so have to check if I start that project now or delay it
01:16 <T3sl4> uuuh, not much, tho i don't have any assembled so..?
01:47 <T3sl4> if you like hot air and the 0.4mm pitch QFP then you can do that i guess :)
02:13 <Ysjoelfir> I could manage I think?
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10:51 <Ysjoelfir> heh. Just noticed this nice advice in the datasheet of those displays: 2. Only use a soft sloth with IPA to wipe the polarizer, other chemicals might permanent damage to the polarizer.
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35:23 <Ysjoelfir> Hmm... just found the FT810 from FTDI. seems to be a way to interface such displays reasonably easily
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45:04 <T3sl4> yeah they've made a few, with lots of functionality at that
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58:01 <Guest|91536> Hi there. I'm looking at a Keithley 2000, which is displaying very large offsets on all ranges when doing 4W measurements. Can this be a result of a botched calibration?
59:47 <Guest|91536> On the 100 ohms scale, it shows -116ohm. I can rel out the offset and the results look plausible. But this so far off that I suspect a defect.
01:04 <K> Guest|91536, i suggest you ask this in the forum
01:05 <Ysjoelfir> IIRC I read something about an ofset problem on keithley 2k.... maybe on xdevs?
01:16 <Ysjoelfir> but besides that, yes, I agree with what K said
02:09 <K> but it does seem a bit too much
05:51 <Guest|91536> Yeah, I'll go start a thread. I just thought it wouldn't hurt too much to ask here :).
06:03 <Lemon> yeah thats a huge offset, sounds like my systron donner
06:22 <Guest|91536> Unfortunately, xdevs is down atm.
07:16 <Lemon> maybe a precision resistor in the divider burnt ?
07:51 <Guest|91536> 2W is working fine, so I don't think so.
08:37 <Lemon> hmmm are inputs configured the right way ?
08:56 <Lemon> I know for example, on my 8502a, I need to short both HI and both LO
08:59 <Lemon> or something like that
09:16 <Lemon> if I want to do 4W measurement, and in that setting, measurements in 2W are all fucked
10:01 <Ysjoelfir> if it works in 2W more I would check what the difference in the circuit is. if it uses a seperate input opamp or a seperate driver pushing the current that might be where the problem arises from
10:46 <Guest|91536> Oh yeah, having all shorted together displays in 4W in the 100 ohms scale shows -116. in 2W, it reads as a short.
10:50 <Lemon> ha yeah and anyway the keithley got shrouded connectors so its probably done internally
11:40 <Lemon> one day I will have one of those keithleys :>
13:48 <Ysjoelfir> I like the keithley 2ks
14:07 <Lemon> the form factor is super nice
14:30 <Lemon> a biiiiiit smaller than my 3456a xd
14:47 <Lemon> like, a couple cm at best but still nice !
14:50 <Ysjoelfir> and roughly 20 years younger
15:41 <Lemon> yes true, its less mature ! but its fine, he just needs time :P
16:48 <Lemon> ho, and I saw that, it looks pretty cheap for what is it https://www.leboncoin.fr/outillage_materiaux_2nd_oeuvre/1957210615.htm?ac=206978287
16:49 <eevBot> [Title] - leboncoin.fr
18:01 <rust_collector> mornings
18:08 <Ysjoelfir> hi rustz
19:08 <rust_collector> so... last night, I discovered that I seem to have grown a kneecap, on my elbow?
19:25 <Lemon> hello rusty
19:26 <eevBot> Hello, Lemon!
19:36 <Lemon> hmmmm a kneecap heh
19:37 <Ysjoelfir> lol?
19:38 <rust_collector> hey Lemonator
20:17 <rust_collector> my right elbow sort of sticks out... say 3/4" or so. it is pretty weird
21:31 <Lemon> ho you are turning into a predator !
21:58 <rust_collector> oh, ok
24:30 <Lemon> hmmmm how well would work a psu based on two batteries, where one gets used when you use the psu and the other get charged, so when one is done it automatically switch to the other
24:35 <Ysjoelfir> T3sl4, another question regarding the LCDs: What is the difference between 8 bit and 24 bit mode?
24:37 <Lemon> and that way you have a super clean output
24:50 <T3sl4> idunno, what does it say?
25:00 <T3sl4> usually 8b is a paletted mode
25:50 <Ysjoelfir> not much. it just says in the datasheet that you can choose between 8 bit mode and 24 bit mode. there is one part a bit later where it says 24Biut RGB mode for 960x240, so I assume its dividing each pixel row into three subpixels?
26:08 <T3sl4> thought i saw something about 5-6-5 mode too
26:16 <rust_collector> Lemon I guess that would work, but you would have some stuff happening when you change between batteries, I guess?
26:17 <T3sl4> but i just glanced over it
26:27 <Lemon> hmm it would need to be super fast
26:54 <Ysjoelfir> Lemon, or just make it so that the batteries are both powering the thing at the same time* and charge both simultaneously?
26:58 <Lemon> but im curious if its a nice, "cheap" way to have a clean steady output
27:13 <Lemon> hmmm how so ? I don't understand
27:48 <Kuschelpony> if i had understoof the modes right, the one mode takes 24 bit in paralell and the other takes 8 Bits on three clocks
28:06 <T3sl4> that'll do it ^
28:09 <rust_collector> Ysjoelfir I think he would want to run the thing for a year, so he gets a better average measurement, lol
29:05 <Lemon> no but im genuinely curious
29:11 <Lemon> if thats a good idea
29:23 <Lemon> I mean batteries are dead steady
29:29 <Lemon> ofc it would require a circuit
29:36 <Lemon> not just bare output like that
29:36 <rust_collector> dead saggy, yes
29:39 <Ysjoelfir> Kuschelpony, thanks
30:09 <Kuschelpony> hmm, i would very wprry about the switching transient from the one empty battery to the other full one messing up everything
30:18 <rust_collector> yep
30:20 <Kuschelpony> better use a precision regulator like the LM723
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30:37 <Lemon> even if its only once per say, couple hours ?
30:39 <Kuschelpony> but thats only my gut feeling, im not a voltnut
31:01 <Lemon> and I didnt had necessarly the idea of that psu for precision standards etc
31:04 <Lemon> but as a regular psu
31:10 <Lemon> just super accurate :>
31:15 <Kuschelpony> hmm, if it runs for morew than your expected time on one battery charge that might work, but i think its not neccesary for most applications
31:26 <Lemon> ho ofc its not necessary
31:35 <Lemon> but you know.... mah ppm's...
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31:57 <Lemon> im in love with the konstanter
32:05 <Lemon> yday night ive let the 3456a log some stuff
32:18 <Lemon> and use the konstanter to output 15.000V, measured by my 175
32:27 <Lemon> the 175 is accurate to 1mv give or take
32:34 <Lemon> it moved by 1mv over the whole night
33:00 <Lemon> thats super nice, ok it wasnt drawing much current but still
34:12 <Lemon> but yeah I really want to build a lab supply, I'll start with a simple one, that will teach me a lot !
34:18 <Lemon> I know rusty like supplies too
35:08 * T3sl4 sticks zinc and copper plates in Lemon
35:23 <Lemon> but, thats illegal ! :O
37:19 <K> cmon, it'll be fun!
37:33 <Kuschelpony> and i should make photos of my Spellmann lab supply :)
37:36 * rust_collector videos
37:44 <Kuschelpony> btw i have to correct, it does even 5mA
38:01 <Lemon> ho yesssss
38:07 <Lemon> rusty you'll like that one
38:10 <Lemon> bigboi supply
38:32 <Lemon> and sprucefield blabla were super nice lol
39:07 <Lemon> when they asked me why do I need a 30kv professionnal supply, I just said I was a curious enthusiast blabla I just want to know the price, know its applications etc
39:33 <rust_collector> me like.
39:41 <Lemon> they answered a very nice and detailled message, saying it cost around 4.5-5k usd, and they also have a "economical" one doing 10kv/2ma (I think ?) for under 1k
40:05 <Lemon> 5k usd doesnt sound too expensive when you look at the thing
40:45 <Lemon> super tiny, 0.001% ripple, 0.01%/hr stability
48:36 <Lemon> rust_collector what do you think of that one https://www.leboncoin.fr/collection/1959001489.htm?ac=206978287
48:38 <eevBot> [Title] - leboncoin.fr
48:49 <Hsn> https://hsn93.com/uploads/VID-20210424-WA0014.mp4
48:52 <Lemon> metrix seems to be a pretty reliable brand
50:17 <Lemon> lol nice one
52:11 <rust_collector> for 15.. yes, that looks nice. i do think metrix is a proper brand, even if it is almost unheard of up here. I think I had to look them up, the last time you were on the bon coin
52:39 Quit: eevBot ([email protected]) Ping timeout: 121 seconds
52:40 <coppice> metrix make some good quality things, but usually with some odd quirks
52:41 <Ysjoelfir> metrix is basically an OEM for many cheap-ish electronic store brands. like conrad electronic for example.
52:57 <Ysjoelfir> they are usually pretty good for the price, but have their drawbacks
52:58 <rust_collector> it says itt on the bottom...
52:59 <Lemon> hmmm really ?
53:46 <Lemon> the fluke 73III at 50 looks quite neat too
54:00 <Ysjoelfir> like one voltcraft multimeter I have, which is a metrix, switches off after a very short time. to save energy. you have to enable a persistant mode EVERY TIME YOU SWITCH THAT ON using some cryptic key combination which only works the moment you switch it on and not anymore when it is already on. that is insanely annoying.
54:35 <Ysjoelfir> afaik you will find many more metrix stuff that is not labelled metrix than stuff that has the name on it
54:37 <Lemon> ha yeah ok
55:00 <Lemon> yeah and anyway I looked up specs they are not that good
55:11 <Lemon> sometimes people sell shit insanely cheap because they have no idea of what it is
55:15 <Lemon> but thats not the case
55:19 <rust_collector> hehe, that seems to be a thing they like these days. same as the backlight, that is on long enough for you to grab the probes, and get them clost to your device, before it goes dark, lol
55:31 <Lemon> what do you think about 50 euros for a 73III ?
55:31 <Ysjoelfir> yep
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56:01 <Ysjoelfir> I am very happy that I can switch all those energy saving shit off on my keysights. I forget to switch them off regularely, batteries last a year despite doing that
56:03 <Lemon> the future richer me kinda want a handheld to test mains voltage, or various things that I can't do at my desk
56:40 <rust_collector> how test mains voltage? just measure voltage?
56:42 <Lemon> man I still think about that 287 I missed at 120 euros...
56:49 <Lemon> yeah measure it
56:54 <Lemon> that or something else
57:10 <Lemon> or simply have a dmm that I can move around
57:36 <rust_collector> well, I think "anything" can do that, but it just depends on how many extra fingers you have as spares?
58:13 <Lemon> yes thats why I'd prefer something decently protected lol
58:20 <Lemon> I guess a fluke second hand will do
58:27 <Lemon> that little 73III sounded nice at 50
58:35 <rust_collector> meh. just don't hold the thing between your butt cheeks.
58:55 <rust_collector> but the 73 is probably a pretty safe meter.
03:12 <rust_collector> I mean, I measure mains every now and then, using the shittiest ebay spec meters you can think of, just make sure you are not in the way of anything when you do?. If it blows up, it was just an ebay special...
03:14 <Lemon> yeah and I like nice things
03:27 <Lemon> yeah sure I know it will work
03:36 <Lemon> I can probably do it with my fluke 101 or whatever is it named
03:42 <rust_collector> sure
03:46 <Lemon> but I like extra security
03:48 <Ysjoelfir> https://www.amazon.de/GOFORJUMP-Autoradio-autoradio-Rückfahrkamera-Fernbedienung/dp/B07M8GPBLD/ Damn, that thing looks fancy. and insanely cheap and shitty.
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04:29 <rust_collector> mirror link...
04:42 <Lemon> I have my doubts on the hd video xd
05:40 <rust_collector> of you connect it to a proper screen, I bet it does 1080 just fine?
06:23 <Lemon> I also doubt that
06:43 <Lemon> hmmm what are those processmeter used for ?
06:53 <Lemon> I see them a lot at high prices
06:58 <Ysjoelfir> ?
07:02 <rust_collector> hmm, talking about that, the wifemobile has a reversing camera, and an aftermarket reversing camera but no screen?
07:22 <Ysjoelfir> heh. maybe the screen was in the radio?
07:36 <rust_collector> processmeters can be used as a meter, and also can output signals and some power, I guess it depends on your model
08:12 <Ysjoelfir> yep. pretty much
08:55 <rust_collector> but the radio is there, and original, so at least the original camera should have a screen somewhere. i am wondering if it maybe is in the mirror, as it has a super thick mirror
08:56 <Lemon> ho ok thanks
09:03 <Ysjoelfir> its used in industry where 4-20mA sensors are common. those meters are tailored to work good with stuff like that
09:19 <Lemon> not really a thing I'll ever use I guess
09:31 <Lemon> something that I'd love to have is a source meter
09:35 <Lemon> but prices are quite high
10:56 <rust_collector> the repair guy at work has all the fun tools. it is annoying, because he does not seem to use them for anything
11:46 <rust_collector> well, he is 5 people, but they still do the work of one, so...
12:51 <Lemon> borrow them forever !
16:37 <rust_collector> one of them is super nerdy. he probably likes to do things in nice ways. like when I broke a work light, I asked if he could weld a nut to a bolt, and yes... he used quite a bit of time on that. using some chemical to remove the plating, polishing the parts, tig welding the nut on the head of the bolt... That took almost an hour, I think. It turned out looking awesome, but... I was just hanging a light from it....
17:14 <Lemon> heh I kinda understand him
17:21 <Lemon> no matter what I do I like to do it the best I can
18:51 <rust_collector> sure, but this is keeping a guy on overtime for an hour, to mount a led light on the back of a truck. it only has to work. There is nothing else on the back of a truck, that is pretty
19:30 <Lemon> yeah well
19:34 <Lemon> maybe he just enjoys it
19:41 <rust_collector> there has to be a balance there, you know.
20:06 <rust_collector> yes, he probably does. and that is great, if his work is posting on instagram
20:23 <Lemon> yeah I understand
20:28 <Lemon> thats true
20:59 <rust_collector> He can do things nicely, if it is something no one is waiting for, that is fine
22:09 <Lemon> yeah
23:08 <rust_collector> I mean, most people would just blast it with the mig, and send you out in 20 seconds...
24:02 <rust_collector> so on that day we had 2 people paid for an hour, to do 20 seconds work. that will never go well over time
24:24 <rust_collector> but I can see why they just throw stuff out, and buy something new
24:56 <rust_collector> ok, I am going outside a bit, to do the worst job possible here
27:56 <Ysjoelfir> which is?
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47:29 <Nothing\> welp, i think i found a good enough calculator for windows
47:56 <Nothing\> it's got precision i think up to 50 digits, which is nice. But mathematica has insane precision
48:21 <Nothing\> I got mathematica to do something like 7250 factorial once
48:40 <Nothing\> and i gave me every single digit of the answer, no mathematical notation
48:48 <Nothing\> er scientific notation
01:51 * Ysjoelfir likes his Privileg 883 D-ESR-E calculator very much
07:04 <Lemon> is it the swissmicro Nothing\ ?
07:38 <Lemon> its a nice calculator Ysjoelfir :>
07:47 <Lemon> my father was collecting programmable ones and pocket computers
07:54 <Lemon> they always fascinated me
08:05 <Lemon> I was on the verge of buying a DM-42
19:33 <Nothing\> nah, hipercalc
19:57 <Nothing\> i actually bought the pro version for android cuz it was so good, so i figured it'd be just as good on windows
19:59 <Nothing\> it's not
20:18 <Nothing\> doesn't even have calculus functions, where the android one has integration and derivation
20:49 <flyback> hey Ysjoelfir
21:03 <Nothing\> also hey lemon, and flyback
21:17 <Nothing\> flyback, i actually found a nifty little page about your namesake the other day
21:56 <Nothing\> https://www.mpsind.com/blog/complete-guide-flyback-transformers/
21:57 <eevBot> [Title] - 403 Forbidden
22:23 <Nothing\> sadly though, hipercalc doesn't do matrices and vectors
22:44 <Nothing\> aside from polar versions of complex numbers, but i'm not sure those are the same as vectors
23:32 <Nothing\> i asked on a youtube video about math, but some dipshit tried to respond saying complex numbers were just something mathematicians use to look cool and you can do the exact same things with them using matrices
24:20 <Nothing\> basically he came off as one of those old tyme detractors of complex numbers that were abundant when they were first proposed
25:03 <Nothing\> except he couldn't explain how to represent the square root of -1 in the form of a matrix
31:35 <Ysjoelfir> hello flyback :) I hate you, now I need a new RAID card XD ;P
31:35 <eevBot> Hello, Ysjoelfir!
31:40 <Ysjoelfir> also hello Nothing\
31:52 <Ysjoelfir> Lemon, I found somethign for you on an auction side! https://www.lagerwerk.auction/auktion/20210504/lots/18251/lot-386-mueco-einphasen-transformator-2300va-nach-vde-0570?c=816
31:53 <eevBot> [Title] - LOT 386, URG25, Müco, Einphasen-Transformator 2300VA nach VDE 0570 | Lagerwerk Auktion
33:36 <Kuschelpony> hmm i wonder how much your ebergy delvery charges fess for that unbalanced load
33:47 <Kuschelpony> me is a friend of threephase power
34:09 <Ysjoelfir> if I would have 3 phase available I would be as well
34:45 <Kuschelpony> i have it not yet in the bedroom :) but already in the entrance at the fuse box
35:11 <Ysjoelfir> I only have one single phase with 32A in my fuse box :(
35:17 <Kuschelpony> oh :(
35:43 <Ysjoelfir> if you can call that conglomerate of wires and old shit a fuse box at all.
35:51 <Kuschelpony> yeah, here would be 3*40 available and an almost finisged tap to an CEE red 16A is waiting
36:14 <Kuschelpony> just so rarely needed it that i have not yet set up
36:30 <Kuschelpony> i do not often welkd big stuff on the balcony
36:48 <Ysjoelfir> no?
44:08 <Lemon> ho wow its an isolation transformer ?
44:46 <Lemon> U prim.: 110V / 25A
44:55 <Lemon> not for us I think
45:04 <Ysjoelfir> just turn it around
45:21 <Ysjoelfir> Bamm, 100V 25A AC PSU
46:46 <Lemon> hmmmmm
46:52 <Lemon> but non adjustable :(
47:09 <rust_collector> just load it down, until you are at the voltage you want
47:35 <Ysjoelfir> exactly
47:46 <Ysjoelfir> you get a nice room heater while doing so as well. double win!
48:04 <Lemon> erf well :>
48:05 <rust_collector> use del bulbs, to keep the heat down, lol
48:09 <rust_collector> led
48:44 <Ysjoelfir> use de bulbs! use dem!
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03:33 <Nothing\> belated hello Ysjoelfir
03:53 <Nothing\> i'm playing rogue legacy, so my attention is divided
04:16 <rust_collector> sounds pretty normal to me?
04:30 <Ysjoelfir> xD
07:01 <Nothing\> man what a crock of shit
07:42 <Nothing\> cuz of this lockdown, this vape shop has this thing where instead of going there and telling them what you want and having them bring it to the curb for you, they make you go on their site, order it from there and pay for it, then you go over and pick it up
07:51 <Ysjoelfir> Kuschelpony, I think I bid on that one. https://www.lagerwerk.auction/auktion/20210504/lots/18143/lot-201-edwards-trockenlaeufer-vakuumpumpe?c=816 If I get it I see that as a sign to venture into tube making XD
07:54 <eevBot> [Title] - LOT 201, A72601903, XDS10, Edwards, Trockenläufer Vakuumpumpe | Lagerwerk Auktion
08:03 <Nothing\> so i went to get coils, and their site hasn't got the coils i want, even though i always buy them from that place
09:23 <rust_collector> damnit, I am getting annoyed by that elbow lump.
09:31 <Kuschelpony> hihi, good idea
09:31 <rust_collector> https://ibb.co/090R1pk
09:32 <eevBot> [Title] - 20210424-210526 — ImgBB
09:36 <rust_collector> weird
10:02 <Ysjoelfir> rusty, grab a file and get rid of it? :D or maybe visit a doctor, that looks... weird indeed./
10:36 <rust_collector> that area is usually almost concave. I think I maybe have monday off
11:04 <Ysjoelfir> hehe. mr. boss will be sad
11:40 <Ysjoelfir> Kuschelpony, it can reach <7x10-2 mbar, that should be enough I think :P but I highly doubt that I will get it for anything reasonable for me.
11:56 <Ysjoelfir> I found a used one online for over 4.7k€
12:53 <Hsn> hey Ysjoelfir
12:59 <Ysjoelfir> hello hsn
13:00 <eevBot> Hello, Ysjoelfir!
13:07 <rust_collector> oh, there is that guy again.
13:09 <Hsn> do u ever get replies in upwork ? :D
13:17 <Hsn> rust_collector, hi .. what tumer u have ?
13:24 <rust_collector> dunno?
13:28 <Ysjoelfir> hsn: nope
13:48 <Hsn> ur elbow is pregnant maybe
13:50 <Hsn> :D
14:00 <Ysjoelfir> xD
14:12 <Kuschelpony> hmm, i wonder in which chatroom i mistype what i wanted to write here
14:21 <Ysjoelfir> lol
14:46 <Hsn> how many chat rooms are u guys involved in ?
14:47 <rust_collector> I wonder what the other rooms reaction would be, lol
14:58 <Kuschelpony> im waiting for one... might have hit a dead one
15:11 <Kuschelpony> im in about 20 others but only 3 are active
15:19 <Kuschelpony> mostly furnet IRC
15:44 <flyback> <Ysjoelfir> hello flyback :) I hate you, now I need a new RAID card XD ;P
15:46 <flyback> sorry
15:49 <Hsn> why did i read that "furnet" as fartnet ?
15:50 <Lemon> anybody tested those cheap pci/pcie/isa testers ? I have lots of old computers and maybe it could help seeing if some got dead parts
16:08 <Lemon> https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/sBUAAOSwNANeVzME/s-l1600.jpg
16:12 <Ysjoelfir> there is a whole furnet IRC server? :D cool, I didn't know they were so active here?
16:19 <Ysjoelfir> Lemon, they work
16:26 <Kuschelpony> irc.furnet.org
16:32 <Kuschelpony> they have even tech channels :)
16:32 <flyback> Ysjoelfir, you might be able to just use the card as a HBA and run your own software raid
16:33 <Lemon> yeah ? at that price im tempted
17:09 <Ysjoelfir> flyback, its fine :) I was just joking. ^^ And happy to know, so now I have to keep that in mind. maybe switch the stuff from RAID 5 to 10
18:11 <flyback> or btrfs or zfs :P
18:26 <Ysjoelfir> is that accessible from windows?
18:52 <flyback> well you could setup a samba share :P
18:54 <flyback> over lan
19:10 <Ysjoelfir> sounds super easy to do for someone who has never used linux at all :D
19:21 <Hsn> some crazy fellow in kuwait killed a lady after chasing her 5 months to marry her .. while she is allready married and they reject him many times
19:27 <Ysjoelfir> (except from installing it like 100 times and failing doing anything )
20:03 <Ysjoelfir> hsn, let me guess, they sued the dead woman for running from a legitimate potential spouse and the guy got away?
20:06 <flyback> well there's always free/truenas the packaged nas os
20:11 <Lemon> https://www.ebay.fr/itm/114487561823?_trkparms=aid%3D1110006%26algo%3DHOMESPLICE.SIM%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20201210111314%26meid%3Db55baee1223743a2a16f3049ce93bd40%26pid%3D101195%26rk%3D6%26rkt%3D12%26mehot%3Dpf%26sd%3D312640664468%26itm%3D114487561823%26pmt%3D1%26noa%3D0%26pg%3D2047675%26algv%3DSimplAMLv9PairwiseUnbiasedWeb&_trksid=p2047675.c101195.m1851 heh looks cool
20:12 <eevBot> [Title] - OP Amp Testeur Offset Voltage Measurements Bande passante des mesures | eBay
20:22 <flyback> and a few linux nas installs also I think
20:51 <Ysjoelfir> which I will not use, flyback. I have tried nas4free and freenas, didn't like them at all. except if they changed signifficantly in the years since I tried it.
21:00 <Hsn> Ysjoelfir, no its not that bad :D .. but the thing happened now !! nothing will bring her back but ppl are angry and hash tagging "stop killing women" etc etc ..
21:14 <Ysjoelfir> problem was that I need to do other stuff with the server besides being a nas. so a "nas only" os is not what I want
21:15 <flyback> they have, the interface is better
21:19 <flyback> ok
21:21 <flyback> fair enough
21:26 <Hsn> i guess there is this stupid animal type harrasment in kuwait ..
21:39 <flyback> we choose 10 over 5 setting up windows servers for customers
21:40 <flyback> btw
22:16 <Ysjoelfir> I don't understand that sentence, sorry. can you rewrite it for a dumb german? XD
22:26 <Hsn> https://twitter.com/i/status/1384631145631997957
22:39 <flyback> I was saying when we have to use conventional raids for windows boxes
22:43 <flyback> we choose 10 over 5
22:48 <flyback> we don't use 5
22:58 <Ysjoelfir> oh, you were talking about the raid levels, got it.
23:36 <Hsn> the thing is that .. there is probably history maybe he is her "ex husbend" im not sure what is the story .. but they were telling police that he will kill her before the thing happened ..
23:56 <Hsn> and now in the videos they are screaming .. we told u he will kill her .. and he did .. u allowed him etc etc
24:18 <Hsn> he stapped her and throw her near hospital ..
24:19 <Ysjoelfir> great. :X the local law enforcement works great there
24:39 <Lemon> its often like that, even here in france... countless times some woman reported to police they are being threatened etc, police saying "got any bruise ? no ? and maybe you are a bad wife, who knows !" and she end up being killed
26:01 <Ysjoelfir> last week I got harassed verbally by a woman who I asked to step back 3 meters since she was basically touching my ass with her shoulders trying to reach the cigarette automat when I was standing in line at our local supermarket. you know, because of coronas and such I prefer people to not touch me.
27:52 <Hsn> no . i think the story is :: "this guy was divorced and .. he was threatening the lawyer and her family" until he killed her sister
27:54 <Ysjoelfir> but as I am a "priviliged white male" [sic] and she a "poor black woman" [also sic] who was carrying a dolce & gabana bag, adidas pants, nike shoes and some fancy looking shirt I was kicked out by the manager.
28:24 <Hsn> the lawyer who made the divorce .. was trying to get him in jail and telling police that he is threatening her and her family
29:06 <Hsn> and she did have two cases where he was doing accident on her before or somthing .. on him but they just didnt jail him ..
29:20 <Ysjoelfir> pffff... that is stupid
29:29 <Hsn> touching my ass with her shoulders trying to reach the cigarette automa
29:30 <Hsn> lol
29:37 <Hsn> she likes ur ass man let her
30:25 <Hsn> Ysjoelfir, next time ... just say .. dont get me wrong .. i care about u .. u can touch my ass .. but the thing i just farted .. and i dont want u to .. :D
31:02 <Ysjoelfir> no. I don't want to get covids or whatever. :D
31:17 <Hsn> [sic] means ? sick ?
31:43 <Ysjoelfir> sic erat scriptum
32:06 <Hsn> The adverb sic, meaning "intentionally so written",
33:12 <Ysjoelfir> yes. its used to mark stuff that looks or is obviously wrong but was said/written exactly like that.
33:47 <Hsn> Lemon, the thing is .. how many women report to police .. i mean u also cant jail someone who didnt do anything because of some crazy women .. i guess they have no time or capacity so they ignore them .. and then some get killed ?
34:16 <Hsn> time or capacity to invistigate ^
34:25 <Lemon> not always, sometimes they get report of it, they know that the guy is violent because he got some previous reports and they still do nothing
34:31 <Lemon> but yes its complicated
36:25 <Hsn> https://raidforums.com/Thread-Turkey-ID-photos-selfie
36:26 <rust_collector> this non-gluten pizza stuff is almost unusable...
36:26 <eevBot> [Title] - User Agent Denied | Raid Forums
36:36 <Hsn> darn
37:31 <Hsn> these ppl are leaking stuff and selling
37:43 <Hsn> but they operate in normal internet ? how ?
38:10 <Hsn> rust_collector, do u have kebab pizza ?
38:20 <rust_collector> not today
38:32 <Hsn> https://images.app.goo.gl/swXsSJymgMNQmGMZA
38:42 <flyback> heh
39:18 <Hsn> speaking of it .. now i want chicken ranch pizza .. ah what a dilicous creature
39:32 <flyback> looks like the only source for what was a legally free mp3 album is only thru a warez link on usenet
39:34 <rust_collector> Some times, when I am hangry, I get a kebab pizza, roll it up and eat like.. a rolled up kebab thing. it is niice
39:36 <flyback> oh the irony
40:18 <Hsn> https://images.app.goo.gl/7t2eChUWAmNWMUqQ9
40:42 <flyback> the origoinal publisher is no more
40:44 <flyback> heh
40:54 <flyback> I emailed the author and waiting to see what he says
41:39 <rust_collector> "that is not my song" lol
42:14 <Hsn> wgat us usenet
42:54 <flyback> newsgroups, it's a way a lot of warez was distributed till everyone stopped carrying it due to kiddie porn channels
43:15 <flyback> they couldn't filter so most isp's stopped mirror usenet all together
43:51 <Hsn> so pedophile started there ?
43:54 <flyback> newsgroups was big before the web forums also
43:57 <flyback> yeah sadly
44:04 <flyback> they ruined newsgroups for everything else
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48:33 <rust_collector> hah
48:41 <Ysjoelfir_> I hate this shit
49:16 <flyback> what's wrong Ysjoelfir
50:22 <Ysjoelfir_> either my ISP is instable up to three times a day, or something in my network setup is going bonkers a few times a day. its not the router I think, as I don't see anything in the log. So I guess its the modem, but that doesn't have a usefull logging function at all
50:41 Quit: Ysjoelfir ([email protected]) Ping timeout: 121 seconds
50:41 Nick: Ysjoelfir_ is now known as Ysjoelfir
57:36 <Hsn> at least we get to know that Ysjoelfir_ is also known as Ysjoelfir three times a day
57:43 <Ysjoelfir> yes.
57:53 <Ysjoelfir> But I would love to find out what it is
57:54 <Hsn> thats an advantage
58:01 <rust_collector> and you tend to reconnect every night at 1.21
58:07 <Ysjoelfir> but I am to stupid to work it out
58:17 <Ysjoelfir> rust_collector, that is the planned reconnect f rom mr. ISP
58:25 <Ysjoelfir> so that one is legitimate :D
58:39 <rust_collector> I think it was 1.21... well, ok, but... whyyyyyyyyy?
58:56 <Hsn> my router has some issue also when pc go to sleep ..
59:06 <rust_collector> not that I know how many times I come and go in a day.
59:12 <Hsn> that ethernet port gets "disconnected"
59:21 <Hsn> and never come back until i restart the device
59:21 <Ysjoelfir> german ISPs are to cheap to rebuild their shit on IPV6s basis, so they shuffle IPs every night to have enough available or something like that.
59:34 <Hsn> but now i noticed its ok .. i guess its software thingy that isp updated
01:54 <Hsn> the log isnt very usefull https://snipboard.io/u1Cx8n.jpg
03:55 <Ysjoelfir> oh, mine was actually helpfull-ish this time. https://snipboard.io/vNmCgi.jpg
04:32 <Ysjoelfir> so it is a legitimate reconnect. question now is: modem, or ISP
04:49 <Ysjoelfir> it would be soooo usefull if the modem would do a nice log
05:17 <Ysjoelfir> but that shitty thing needs some software to be running on a server to receive logs. and I am to stupid to get that to work
17:23 <rust_collector> I am clever enough to not make my networking things too complicated, lol
25:44 <flyback> <Ysjoelfir_> either my ISP is instable up to three times a day, or something in my network setup is going bonkers a few times a day. its not the router I think, as I don't see anything in the log. So I guess its the modem, but that doesn't have a usefull logging function at all
25:52 <flyback> cable modems usually have a hidden web status page
26:02 <flyback> if you cain find the ip and credentials
26:08 <Ysjoelfir> its not a cable modem.
26:29 <Ysjoelfir> its a VDSL2+ modem. Draytek Vigor 165
27:13 <flyback> should also
27:35 <Ysjoelfir> https://www.draytek.com/support/knowledge-base/5746
27:36 <eevBot> [Title] - Collecting router's Syslog | DrayTek
27:48 <flyback> https://www.draytek.com/support/knowledge-base/5680
27:49 <eevBot> [Title] - How to login my Vigor Router | DrayTek
27:51 <Hsn> rust_collector, ur network is clever enough by not getting complicated on u :P
28:24 <Ysjoelfir> flyback, I know how to get to its status page.
28:29 <Ysjoelfir> but it does not have a log
28:45 <Hsn> werk werk werk
29:06 <flyback> ok
29:15 <rust_collector> Hsn when it messes up, I use my laser to send messages into the fiber, so I don't have to call the isp. pretty neat
30:49 <Hsn> rust_collector, nice thing .. so u have to send the beam with some angle ?
31:16 <rust_collector> as long as it heats up their end of the thing, it will work
31:20 <Hsn> https://images.app.goo.gl/Xv4xJZWHqxT6GWXf8
32:40 <rust_collector> I dunno? I guess, as the cable is going thru many many bends, it will be sent in all kinds of directions anyway?
34:12 <rust_collector> nah, but I believe this stuff is pretty reliable. in the last few years, power has been out more than the internet
47:24 <electrohead> o/
47:33 <rust_collector> o o
48:51 <electrohead> hey
48:59 <Ysjoelfir> hi mr head
49:16 Quit: Nothing\ (~Shmendrick@cpe9050ca20a183-cm9050ca20a180.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) Quit: Leaving
50:56 <steve30> hi
52:00 <Ysjoelfir> oi, steve!
52:21 <Ysjoelfir> I have a video for you. Mr. Cat finally decided to sit in his fluffy kitty bed!
52:47 <rust_collector> oh, now you did it
53:00 <Ysjoelfir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-OIE4j_eES_g_u3DRsKtO447RTkv8ntd/view?usp=sharing
53:01 <eevBot> [Title] - 302 Moved
53:55 <rust_collector> that looks slightly like russian prostitute boots?
54:07 <rust_collector> with a very very small cat in it
54:56 <Ysjoelfir> walter is actually pretty big for a european/british short hair
55:06 <coppice> rust_collector: I assume this is her winter uniform
55:22 <Ysjoelfir> also, roughly 2 minutes after I finished the video he was here: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-k4JMnABrIwNNi_LeNibFxKiSptRhREj/view?usp=sharing
55:23 <eevBot> [Title] - 302 Moved
55:46 <rust_collector> aah, much better
56:51 <steve30> hehe
56:57 <steve30> i could curl up in that
59:32 <Ysjoelfir> you indeed can. its being ignored again
01:16 <Hsn> mr walter is king of drugs
01:21 <Hsn> ww
04:15 <Hsn> lol
04:15 <steve30> my new panavise arrived :)
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04:21 <Hsn> https://snipboard.io/oFL4Dw.jpg
04:25 <rust_collector> NOOOOO!!!!!
04:51 <rust_collector> oh, ok, good
05:03 <Hsn> india wants money money
06:21 <Ysjoelfir> lol
06:22 <rust_collector> when they reduce their population by 60%, they can have some money
09:20 <Hsn> rust_collector, they actually have lots of money
09:41 <Hsn> lots of them working in all over the world spending little and sending money back ..
09:52 <Hsn> but no infrastructure and lots of curroption ..
10:02 <rust_collector> it is distributed pretty badly...
10:50 <Hsn> yeah .. their burners are occupied
13:10 <rust_collector> Some times I see pictures, and they have the old british built buildings, just that they are painted a weird pink or blue, and plastered with stickers or signs. i think it is a pretty neat crash of styles
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16:52 <rust_collector> https://content.jdmagicbox.com/comp/kolkata/82/033p9991482/catalogue/post-office-garia-kolkata-post-office-services-4kzqpm54c8.jpg?clr=
17:27 <rust_collector> https://mapio.net/images-p/45807785.jpg
18:40 <rust_collector> this one is pretty neat, in a way https://www.kmcgov.in/KMCPortal/outside_images/Lok_Adalat_Feb2020_05_03_2020.jpg
19:17 <Ysjoelfir> that looks indeed very interesting
19:45 <rust_collector> https://imgstaticcontent.lbb.in/lbbnew/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/19162444/Oriental-assurance.jpg
20:02 <rust_collector> lots of interesting things in calcutta
20:14 <rust_collector> (it looks like)
22:12 <Hsn> hsn93.com/uploads/india_covid.mp4
22:28 <rust_collector> 404?
22:30 <Ysjoelfir> uuuh, that one is sexy rusty
22:46 <Hsn> refreesh
22:50 <rust_collector> no
23:03 <Hsn> i shared the link before it gets fully uploaded
23:10 <rust_collector> ok
25:47 <Hsn> whats wrong with this guy lol: https://twitter.com/HailRasheed
26:47 <Lemon> hmmm lately I've been looking at a lot of those usb power analyzer, I think next month I will get this one, with the load module
26:49 <Lemon> https://fr.aliexpress.com/item/4001280718072.html?spm=a2g0o.cart.0.0.3f973c00nb5Agf&mp=1
26:50 <eevBot> [Title] - Testeur de courant multimètre numérique USB 3.1, détecteur de tension, lecteur Lua intégré DC 26V 6A AVHzY CT3 | AliExpress
27:17 <Lemon> I do have an electronic load, but this one connects to the device and can be adressed with the software, which is quite well made
27:25 <rust_collector> Lemon just buy it, you know you can not get away from it, just get it done
27:27 <Lemon> it support lua scripts and so on, so quite a nice thing
27:36 <rust_collector> blah blah blah
27:37 <Lemon> pls rusty :(
27:45 <Lemon> im trying to be reasonnable
27:52 <Lemon> im really poor that month
27:59 <rust_collector> ok, don't buy that, it has very little use for you
28:18 <Lemon> it goes 100 to 0 real quick with you xd
28:23 <Lemon> no middle ground heh :P
28:29 <rust_collector> buy bags of oatmeal for the same price, and see what happens next month
28:54 <rust_collector> I am en extremist, I guess
30:21 <Lemon> it seems :>
30:30 <Lemon> but yeah its a neat little device, lots of features
30:40 Quit: Guest69 ([email protected]) Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…
30:46 <Lemon> probably 99% I don;t need
30:50 <Lemon> but you know how it is
31:49 <rust_collector> yes, that is why I say you should get it asap, because then I don't have to hear about it for 3 more weeks
32:01 <Lemon> hahaha yes thats true
32:23 <rust_collector> so, yes, just forget it, you have very little use for that thing
32:28 <Lemon> what set me on this model more than another is that there is readily available manuals in english that are well detailed
32:31 <Hsn> reminds me of me 1 month ago bought this 200MHz scope that is lying on my ugly table with no use :)
32:34 <Lemon> and the p c software too
32:42 <rust_collector> lalalalalaaaaa
32:46 <Lemon> hooo what scope ?
33:55 <rust_collector> was it some rigol thing?
34:00 <Lemon> accuracy seems nice too, a guy reviewed it and said its closer to 0.02% than 0.1% advertised
34:04 <rust_collector> Hsn ?
34:06 <Hsn> yeah
34:16 <Hsn> siglent
34:21 <rust_collector> ok
34:28 <Lemon> ho nice, those can be "hacked" I think
34:32 <Hsn> sds 1202x-e
34:33 <Lemon> to the higher model in the range
35:13 <rust_collector> at least, now you can test your old 9v batteries...
36:35 * rust_collector soldered a wire today! 
36:48 <rust_collector> i did electric things and stuff
37:32 <Ysjoelfir> lol
38:36 <Hsn> rust_collector, u think ?
38:48 <Hsn> i can only measure the noise when i probe my finger
39:11 <rust_collector> Hsn it is a voltmeter?
39:36 <rust_collector> hmm, what would this wire be... let me seeeeeeee
39:52 <rust_collector> 30mm² I think
40:08 <Hsn> rust_collector, pretty much .. with time ..
40:15 <Hsn> it draws the volt over time
40:27 <rust_collector> is a 6mm diameter around 30mm²? i think so
40:43 <rust_collector> right, so you can measure a battery with it
40:44 <Hsn> pi r^2 ?
41:17 <rust_collector> uuuh, sounds about right?
41:23 <Hsn> yea ..
41:58 <Hsn> i just took 3mm x 3mm x 3 = 27
42:06 <Hsn> 3.14 i assume its close to 30
42:42 <Hsn> anyhow why ?
42:51 <rust_collector> yeah. i think it is. I would not want to use a little usb iron for that one. especially outside
43:43 <rust_collector> I could not find a good thing to crimp it, so I ended up soldering it. we will see...
45:31 <Hsn> yeah fck crimping
46:15 <Hsn> last time .. i had 0.5mm² wire and 1.5mm² pin .. i twisted the wire 3 times
46:22 <Hsn> to make it 1.5mm² xD
50:12 <Hsn> https://twitter.com/ctrlshifti/status/1288745146759000064 < this guy is trolling or what
51:46 <Lemon> seems he's learning
51:56 <Lemon> he found a solution in the comments
52:12 <rust_collector> https://twitter.com/i/status/1288746085117173760 I like it
52:46 <rust_collector> nothing like having 1000 tons of something, and just plop it sideways into the water
53:34 <Hsn> Lemon, he has other posts that has unit testing stuff .. ?
54:10 <Lemon> ho well maybe he's just not super clever :>
54:36 <rust_collector> oh... the clive is making bubbly wine, I think I have to watch today.
57:26 <Ysjoelfir> uuh, nice :D
57:48 <rust_collector> he has to end up saying something... true
59:30 <Hsn> rust_collector, https://github.com/AceLewis/my_first_calculator.py/blob/master/my_first_calculator.py
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00:32 <Hsn> ^ when people brag about their "lines of code" ^^ :D
00:33 <rust_collector> oh gawd
01:31 <rust_collector> not that I would say I know anything about programming, but... that looks like something you would do in kindergarden these days
02:26 <Hsn> rust_collector, that project is joke .. and he have "generator" script for this 20k lines
02:30 <rust_collector> I guess, if he made a little script, to write that...
02:37 <rust_collector> hah
02:57 <Hsn> in the same repository :D
04:24 <Ysjoelfir> erm..... ok, I might choose a different IC for my LCD experiment than this one. that one seems to be made from unobtainium. https://sg.element14.com/bridgetek/ft812q-t/embedded-video-engine-24bit-vqfn/dp/2500981?CMP=GRHB-OCTOPART
05:41 <rust_collector> mmm ftdi things... i thought they were always available some of the time?
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06:19 <Ysjoelfir> well.... not that one
06:24 <Hsn> Ysjoelfir, what does it do .. d-sub8 connection ?
06:29 <rust_collector> then it is not that time
07:01 <Ysjoelfir> hsn, its an LCD driver with integrated ram. making it... easyer to communicate with a "dumb" lcd
07:31 <Hsn> same as the d-sub8 lcds right ?
07:41 <Ysjoelfir> i don't know what that is
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08:46 <Hsn> https://images.app.goo.gl/VvLSGNotExnSaJXe8
08:48 <Hsn> this ?
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08:54 <Hsn> sry not d-sub8
09:05 <Ysjoelfir> vga
09:11 <Ysjoelfir> that is something different
09:32 <Hsn> hrn
10:46 <Hsn> so this is ... direct lcd hardware driver ?
10:54 <Ysjoelfir> yes
11:56 <Hsn> oh shit u r building an lcd modukle ?
12:09 <Hsn> Ysjoelfir_heaven_displays
12:13 <Ysjoelfir> lol
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13:07 <Ysjoelfir> I just got my greedy hands onto 250 cheap dumb LCDs. paid 15€ for that and wanted to resell them, but I thought I try to do something with them first.
15:20 <rust_collector> 15 eurodollars... so you can test ideas on 230 of them, and still make a profit
16:17 <Hsn> if ur thing works pretty well then u can sell each one for 10$ usd or somthing
16:31 <Ysjoelfir> yep^^
16:47 <rust_collector> or hungarian forints
17:03 <Lemon> hey Ysjoelfir, as long as the lmg doesnt heat up (im measuring my computer consumption rn) I can let it on for the night ?
17:12 <Lemon> I guess yes but I'd rather ask first :>
17:28 <Ysjoelfir> even if it heats up you can do that. its been build for 24/7 use
17:44 <rust_collector> swiss francs is interesting, in a way
18:03 <Lemon> ok good :> thanks
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20:37 <rust_collector> Lemon wake up, if it starts smoking a lot
23:01 <Lemon> nah no worries its not much going through it :>
23:18 <Lemon> id like to log it, I need to find out how to do it properly
23:27 <rust_collector> if it is smoking... it is not a good sign
23:38 <Lemon> thats weird because look, right now I send a command, it works perfectly
23:40 <Lemon> -> OR;PR;
23:40 <Lemon> <- ;PR +2.377E+02;
23:44 <Lemon> but if I do it again
23:54 <Lemon> timeout
24:23 <Halcyon> Morning guys
24:42 <rust_collector> do you have to "reset" it, after sending a command?
24:55 <Lemon> hello Halcyon
25:02 <Lemon> well, thats what im trying to find out
25:28 <steve30> hi Halcyon
26:27 <Hsn> morgen Halcyon
26:40 <Hsn> Halcyon, have u seen ampera ?
27:00 <Halcyon> Not for a little while
27:01 <Ysjoelfir> mornings Halcyon
27:08 <Halcyon> I doubt he'll be back anytime soon
27:09 <steve30> i think i'll make some food
27:22 <rust_collector> ok, master of the universe.
27:48 <rust_collector> and the kitchen
28:00 <Halcyon> You talking about Ysjoelfir ? :P
28:11 <rust_collector> steve
28:11 <Ysjoelfir> hehehe
28:47 <Ysjoelfir> Halcyon, did you receive my SMS?
28:47 <rust_collector> steve accepted being master of the universe, and the surrounding area, and especially his back yard
28:53 <Halcyon> Ysjoelfir, I did, I just woke up
29:04 <Ysjoelfir> you went to bed early :D
29:06 <Halcyon> Was his password changed or just got the email?
29:16 <Ysjoelfir> I dunno exactly. K ?
29:21 * Ysjoelfir pings K
29:34 <rust_collector> pingk
29:53 <Halcyon> In any case, someone could have been trying to change it. If nothing was changed, I wouldn't worry about it. You can enable 2FA which helps.
32:15 <Hsn> Halcyon, i ve got question of the day
32:23 <Halcyon> Mmmmm ?
32:51 <Lemon> hmmm thats really weird, I modified a python script to log it, it logs the first one perfectly and then it timeout
32:59 <Hsn> how sites like this operate https://www.nulled.to/ ?
33:23 <Hsn> not on dark web
33:29 <Halcyon> I don't understand the question Hsn? Looks like a forum to me?
33:45 <Hsn> Nulled is an online forum board with over 3.9 million members as of 2021, mostly used by cyber criminals to trade and purchase leaked or hacked information
34:20 <Halcyon> Well the internet for the most part is open to any and all.
34:33 <Halcyon> So it would be easy to host this kind of site.
34:49 <Halcyon> Crack/serial number sites have been around for many years, they still survive
35:11 <Hsn> but this is more illegal i would guess ?
35:17 <Hsn> than cracks
35:25 <Halcyon> Well, a lot of it looks legitimate and not illegal at all
35:37 <Halcyon> Like discussion about crypto etc...
36:28 <Hsn> Halcyon, https://raidforums.com/Thread-Turkey-ID-photos-selfie
37:08 <Halcyon> I doubt the content itself is illegal, but use of a fake identity certainly is.
37:26 <Hsn> and the owner who offers Middleman Service
37:42 <Halcyon> Yeh maybe he does. But what can you do? This is the internet.
37:47 <Hsn> which is legal .. but ... i mean how would someone trust him if he is known ..
37:49 <Halcyon> It's near impossible to shut down dodgy sites.
38:12 <Halcyon> Even the dark web isn't completely anonymous.
38:56 <Hsn> so web servers are not annoymous ?
39:24 <Halcyon> Well... web servers are just web servers. I'm not sure how a server can be '
39:26 <Halcyon> annoymous
39:30 <Halcyon> anonymous
39:31 <Hsn> i mean how ppl like that big black market silkroad thingy stay annoymous ?
39:49 <Halcyon> VPNs, false (or no) identifying information etc...
40:01 <Halcyon> If you use your own postal address, you're an idiot.
40:37 <Hsn> cant FBI just ask the vpn provider give me his real ip ?
40:39 <Hsn> and thats it ?
41:05 <rust_collector> ask the FB
41:11 <rust_collector> aaaai?
41:12 <Halcyon> Yes, law enforcement can request that information but it depends where the VPN provider is, whether they log that information or not and whether those countries have agreements in place
41:44 <rust_collector> at least that would get them to the next vpn provider
41:56 <Halcyon> Yes, if they are stacking connections like that
42:03 <Halcyon> Most people don't (I'm guessing?)
42:40 <rust_collector> well, I guess most people do not run something like the old silk road thing? (just assuming things)
42:42 <Hsn> but im guessing also dangerous type hackers shouldnt trust any vpn .. in any country .. because who knows ..
43:11 <Hsn> so i assume in fact no one can run somthing like "silkroad" .. and stay annonymous ? no ?
43:19 <Halcyon> There will always be people who manage to remain anonymous, you can't catch every criminal.
43:38 <Halcyon> Well it depends on a lot of things. People have been arrested before for running or contributing to sites like Silkroad.
44:27 <Hsn> rust_collector, yeah but im just curious how "they can technically stay annoynomous" ..
44:34 <rust_collector> are you starting a shady e-commerce platform, Hsn ?
44:42 <Halcyon> Sounds like it :P
45:04 <Halcyon> Anyway, I'm heading off to Canberra again guys. I might be online a bit later. Take care.
45:05 <Hsn> i mean .. hacking somthing and doing it illegaly .. then hidding .. is different than offering 24/7 online website and staying annonymous no ?
45:28 <Hsn> rust_collector, i cant even sell freedom words against king..
45:29 <Hsn> :D
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45:55 <Hsn> i love king of bahrain
46:01 <Hsn> please dont catch me
46:24 <rust_collector> Hsn you can either be the government, or simply not give anyone your id. the website runs by itself, you just have to do changes, I guess. your king is so cute and young looking
46:47 <rust_collector> lol. fat nuns are more conductive
47:55 <rust_collector> our king up here is getting pretty old
49:17 <Hsn> :D
49:27 <Hsn> our prime minister who died this or last yea
49:27 <Hsn> r
49:33 <Hsn> i think is the longest one
51:28 <Hsn> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khalifa_bin_Salman_Al_Khalifa
51:44 <Hsn> He was the longest-serving Prime Minister of any government in the world. Under the 2002 Constitution he lost some of his powers, with the King now having the authority to appoint and (along with the Bahraini parliament) dismiss ministers.
51:51 <rust_collector> looking at that... I can not find out how tall our king is. that is annoying
52:46 <Hsn> sorry but ur king is ugly hair :D
52:56 <rust_collector> hair?
53:07 <Hsn> https://images.app.goo.gl/1WsmECtniejsxT6r9
53:20 <Hsn> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/00/King_Harald_V_of_Norway_Trondheim2010-_1.jpg/220px-King_Harald_V_of_Norway_Trondheim2010-_1.jpg
54:11 <rust_collector> well, that won't tell me how tall he is...
55:32 <Hsn> why is he basketball player?
56:02 <rust_collector> no, he is into sailing
56:22 <rust_collector> hmm, 6'2"
56:27 <Hsn> https://www.royalcourt.no/fotoalbum.html?tid=28736&sek=27281
56:31 <rust_collector> ok, that is that. now what?
57:04 <Hsn> now .. how many wives he have ? 1 ? lol .. weak .. :D
57:46 <rust_collector> if you tried discussing anything with her, I think you would stop thinking about collecting more of them
58:08 <Hsn> :D
58:16 <Hsn> we have a saying
58:56 <Hsn> one wife might annoy you .. fight with you .. if u take the second .. they fight with each other and u are more comfortable
59:00 <Hsn> somthing like that ^
59:19 <rust_collector> that.... hmm. maybe
59:24 <Hsn> lol
59:31 <Hsn> there is some logic in that
24:51 <Ysjoelfir> wtf, it can't be THAT hard to find a land pattern recommendation for a LQFP128 with 0.4mm pitch!?
25:46 <rust_collector> no, not if you look in the specs for such things
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26:31 <Ysjoelfir> I am not willing to buy the norm document just to make a pcb footprint
30:18 <Ysjoelfir> "NXP follows the Generic Requirements for Surface Mount Design and Land Pattern
30:18 <Ysjoelfir> Standards from the Institute for Printed Circuits (IPC), IPC-7351B. This document and
30:18 <Ysjoelfir> an accompanying land pattern calculator can be purchased from the IPC's website http://
30:18 <Ysjoelfir> www.ipc.org/. Inside the document are guidelines for most QFPs, based on assumed
30:18 <Ysjoelfir> package dimensions."
30:26 <Ysjoelfir> Well, how about fuck you?
31:24 <Ysjoelfir> So, I guess I won't be using this NXP device than and choose an other manufacturer.
34:21 <Lemon> its really killing me, every first command work, it outputs the right thing, then it timeouts
34:33 <Lemon> ive raided google but can't find anything helping me
34:45 <Lemon> I think I'm starting to know the manual by heart
34:55 <Lemon> and yet theres something I overlooked I guess
35:00 <rust_collector> stop using google, if you want anything other than tiktok
45:34 <Lemon> the exact same code (with just different commands for the instrument) works fine with the 3456a
45:47 <Lemon> I don't get why I get the first measurement perfectly, and then it crashes
46:05 <rust_collector> does it crash? I thought it just timed out?
50:36 <rust_collector> what was the thingie called again?
50:36 <Lemon> well yeah it timeouts sorry
50:40 <Lemon> I call that a crash
50:48 <Lemon> the instrument ?
50:52 <Lemon> a lmg 90
51:03 <rust_collector> ah that one...
51:39 <Lemon> if it was not working at all, I'd think the code is wrong
51:46 <Lemon> but it does the first measurement, and then stops
51:52 <Lemon> thats weird
54:17 <rust_collector> have you enabled the PCI bus mastering in your bios?
54:44 <Lemon> yes its done by default, connecting to devices work s
54:54 <Lemon> its a command issue at that stage I think
55:00 <Lemon> hmmm I discovered a new thing
55:30 <Lemon> when I play with the keysight IO thingie, if I do a OC;PR; (OC puts it in output and makes it outputs continuously every 250ms) and PR is for power
55:34 <Lemon> I send it once
55:40 <Lemon> then hit "read response" I get a measure
55:46 <Lemon> if I hit again it timeouts
55:49 <Lemon> I hit again measure
55:51 <Lemon> and so on
56:37 <Lemon> even if I spam it
56:39 <Lemon> it works like that
56:51 <Lemon> works literally 1/2 times, theres something new at least !
59:55 <rust_collector> hmmm, termination characters...
00:04 <Hsn> Ysjoelfir:
00:07 <rust_collector> sounds likt it is somethign that exist
00:27 <Hsn> How about altium ipc footprint wizard
03:34 <Lemon> yeah its the right one, /r or /n
03:43 <Lemon> I mean why, just why it works 1/2
03:52 <Lemon> that makes no sense
04:09 <rust_collector> it probably does, when you know why
05:47 <Lemon> and in keysight IO ive set timeout to 1ms, just to see if I click faster it will fail more but no
05:55 <Lemon> it works, 1/2 of the times :>
07:03 * electrohead waves
07:29 <Lemon> oi oi
08:38 <electrohead> io io
08:56 <rust_collector> I0I0
09:09 <rust_collector> OY!
10:22 <rust_collector> I vote for things like that metrix meter. it seems to be less complicated
12:16 <Lemon> shit yes
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21:43 <rust_collector> woohoo!
21:55 <rust_collector> 2.20
22:12 <rust_collector> it must be summer?
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41:20 <flyback> Lemon,
41:24 <flyback> what card
42:07 <flyback> is this legacy pci card?
42:10 <Lemon> a pci gpib card, HP 82350
42:17 <flyback> do you have a soundcard and pci video card by chance
42:18 <flyback> ?
42:25 <Lemon> but I mean, it works, and other intruments works fine too
42:34 <Lemon> nah this card is on a pcie adapter
42:41 <Lemon> but I have other pcie cards yes
42:51 <flyback> doesn'[t matter pci-e isn't shared
43:12 <Lemon> 3456a works, 8502a works, and so on
43:21 <Lemon> I just can't figure out why it works 1/2 of the time, exactly
43:30 <flyback> pci was and a bunch of c*** sucking ass**** like creative labs with their sb DEAD and FRAUDigy product and many pci video card makers
43:35 <Lemon> <- ;UE +2.332E+02;
43:35 <Lemon> ! VI_ERROR_TMO: A timeout occurred
43:35 <Lemon> Visa ErrorCode: 0xBFFF0015 (-1073807339)
43:35 <Lemon> <-
43:35 <Lemon> <- ;UE +2.344E+02;
43:35 <Lemon> <- ;UE +2.348E+02;
43:36 <Lemon> ! VI_ERROR_TMO: A timeout occurred
43:38 <Lemon> Visa ErrorCode: 0xBFFF0015 (-1073807339)
43:39 <flyback> would illegally violate the bus to hot bandwidth
43:44 <flyback> and they cause all kinds of issues
43:53 <Lemon> yeah but why would it work on other things
43:58 <Lemon> im sure its a command issue
44:02 <Lemon> something I overlooked
44:05 <Lemon> but what ?
44:24 <flyback> I know nothing about those cards sorry
44:29 <Lemon> and adding a timeout doesnt matter as I can spam it or wait 2 hours
44:31 <flyback> just ruling out interferring other cards
44:35 <flyback> if you were using legacy pcu
44:37 <Lemon> it will still fail if it worked previously
44:53 <Lemon> yeah if it wasnt working at all I would look at that
45:02 <Lemon> but nah I think this thingie is fucking with me thats all
45:08 <flyback> mabye it's the bridge
45:10 <Lemon> commands are simple yet not that simple
45:15 <flyback> abye you should try it in a box with a real pci slot
46:31 * flyback could rant on for months ago the dirty tricks pci bus card makers used to pull to hog bandwidth
46:41 <Lemon> but as I said
46:45 <Lemon> it works with other instruments
46:52 <Lemon> so im pretty sure the pci card isnt the issue :>
46:58 <flyback> ok
47:00 <Lemon> it would simply not work at all
47:06 <Lemon> or be wonky
47:13 <Lemon> like the fucking keysight usb gpib clone
47:17 <Lemon> man this thing
47:44 <Lemon> I will find out, but its almost 3am
47:47 <Lemon> so for now, time to sleep !
47:56 <Lemon> thanks for the help, and see you later today peeps :>
48:12 <rust_collector> remember to buy that useless little screen thing, before you go to bed!
48:32 <Lemon> nahhh I'll give myself one more day :P
48:36 <Lemon> ok lets goooo
48:43 <rust_collector> good night
48:49 <flyback> is that a serial bus?
49:29 <flyback> no it's parallel nm
50:48 <flyback> neat bus Lemon
50:52 <flyback> was just reading up on it
13:57 <eevBot> [Twitter] - eevblog - Meanwhile, at the lightsabre factory... https://t.co/8nYGqBitYE
15:33 <flyback> lemme guess
15:36 <flyback> snakes
15:58 <flyback> nope
35:59 <electrohead> o/
37:22 <flyback> figured it was steel snakes
37:35 <flyback> those are nasty
37:39 <flyback> razor sharp
37:41 <flyback> 2000F
37:43 <flyback> double killer
38:37 <flyback> https://boingboing.net/2017/07/24/watch-a-rope-of-molten-steel-b.html
38:38 <eevBot> [Title] - Watch a rope of molten steel barely miss a worker | Boing Boing
40:47 <flyback> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4p-YCtbhMQ&t=5s
40:48 <eevBot> [Title] - Youtube: Lightsaber factory has an accident
44:40 <flyback> or as I say
44:47 <flyback> *CANUCKED**CANUCKED**CANUCKED**CANUCKED*
45:23 <flyback> nasty way to get injured or die
46:26 <flyback> which is why you always gotta keep an eye open when working in a production line
47:02 <flyback> no matter if it's steel or some cnc mill or pcb making company
47:36 <flyback> this is fing scray
47:39 <flyback> scary
47:40 <flyback> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_Lzw0VBu-I
47:41 <eevBot> [Title] - Youtube: CNC Machine crash - Fly cutter
48:03 <flyback> imaging the amount of energy that thing built up to punch thru like 3 walls, 2 rooms, a chair, etc
49:17 <flyback> it detonated 2 kurt vices also
49:26 <flyback> which are not chinease thin metal vices
53:20 <rust_collector> so, it is 4 in the morning. I guess it is time to go out and do something
55:23 <flyback> they lucked out in that video
55:29 <flyback> that would have been a instant death
55:44 <flyback> unless it just got a limb
56:42 <flyback> im not suggesting we aren't professionals here just saying it's a good idea to think about unforseens when planning safety around shop
57:02 <flyback> "oh we are cutting little pcb's they can't hurt us" and the head of the machine comes flying off at 300 mpr
57:04 <flyback> *zonk*
58:48 <rust_collector> we should go back to using shapers. much safer than those weirdo cnc mills
59:04 <flyback> na you just have to plan
00:10 <flyback> a good example would be having a routine in your cnc machine that is a max rpm lockout
00:23 <flyback> so no matter how badly you foul up the program there's always a lockout you can set
02:13 <flyback> or the simple shit I do
02:27 <flyback> when doing soldering work I set everything on top of a large stone floor tile
02:35 <flyback> a) low to no static
02:53 <flyback> b) heat resisant in case my stupid ass forgets and leaves the iron on or knocks it over
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04:26 <flyback> a warning
04:48 <flyback> don't buy "finely polished" stone floor tiles espically marbel
04:57 <flyback> they will work just fine but if you sneeze everything slides right off
14:22 <electrohead> flyback: that video - holy fuck
14:28 <electrohead> those dudes got lucky
14:42 <flyback> yeah like I said that would be instant kill unless it only got a limb
17:00 <flyback> im surprised there was anything left of the machine, like the whole spindle didn't break out
23:29 <flyback> https://youtu.be/HipESCZ_-Nc?t=99 <--- great example of someone being situational aware, recongising a sound or sight and taking action
23:30 <eevBot> [Title] - Youtube: Crashing CNC Machines & Shop Bloopers!
23:51 <flyback> also great example of why big machines like cnc mills have a big red "FUCKIT" button
35:11 <flyback> electrohead, here is something to wash that horror out of your head
35:13 <flyback> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACGSzBXKONo
35:14 <eevBot> [Title] - Youtube: 1000W Rust Cleaning Laser - Removes Rust Effortlessly
35:58 <rust_collector> how about this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0M92bfoJZMo that seems pretty safe
35:59 <eevBot> [Title] - Youtube: What if you install FIVE flywheels onto an engine?
43:12 <flyback> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcSystZSYzw
43:13 <eevBot> [Title] - Youtube: Laser Cleaning Satisfying Compilation #1
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51:22 <Halcyon> Mew
55:03 <T3sl4> µ
55:06 <Halcyon> :D
55:10 <Halcyon> I'm in Canberra
55:30 <T3sl4> i'm sorry to hear that
55:36 <Halcyon> Could be worse :P
56:47 <steve30> hi
57:09 <steve30> i just got back from out in the cold
57:17 <steve30> First time I've been out for over a week
18:24 <Halcyon> Where did you go Steve?
18:45 <steve30> just to sheffield and back
31:36 <steve30> I'm going to make some buns
11:32 <rust_collector> ooh nice. temps have gone up by 10 degrees in an hour
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47:45 <rust_collector> Hsn did you forget to go to work?
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03:07 <Lemon> hello
03:07 <eevBot> Hello, Lemon!
03:18 <Lemon> that video with the steel snake thingie
03:23 <Lemon> jesus h christ
07:59 <steve30> I was going to go out this afternoon but I think I'lll just go to bed instead
22:05 <Lemon> good idea
24:20 <rust_collector> I think I have heard that before?
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26:20 <steve30> I'm good at going to bed instead of doing other things
27:10 <rust_collector> did you make your buns?
27:17 <steve30> yup
27:29 <rust_collector> that is a pretty good breakfast
27:37 <rust_collector> or what you want to call it
30:18 <Lemon> I ate a kinder pingui
30:23 <Lemon> unbeatable
30:59 <rust_collector> I just had coffee so far today...
46:07 <rust_collector> and I will need more of it, I think. I am messing with a vw product today, and they somehow managed to make steel threads, that get messed up from threading into an aluninium thing...
50:59 <Lemon> what is it exactly ?
51:34 <rust_collector> hydraulic fittings going into the steering rack
07:04 <steve30> ok so halcyon just tried to send an SMS to my IP phone
07:17 <rust_collector> not even a fax?
07:22 <rust_collector> pffft
08:16 <rust_collector> I still think more people should have telex machines
08:51 <steve30> my IP phone doesn't do SMS so BT dictates it using a voice synthesiser.
09:45 <steve30> The SMS says that the halcyon sent an MMS and I can retrieve it from Telstra somehow...
18:01 <Kuschelpony> rustcollector, are you aware that you are using a telex machine right now... :) just a bit more newfashioned
19:29 <Lemon> hmmm I found a dead cpl thingie
19:43 <Lemon> it could be perfect to turn it into a box to use with the power analyzer
19:46 Quit: modrobert ([email protected]) Ping timeout: 121 seconds
19:51 <Lemon> with 4 connectors for current/voltage
20:22 Quit: Ysjoelfir ([email protected]) Ping timeout: 121 seconds
21:24 <rust_collector> Kuschelpony uhm, no? but I guess it sort of is...
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21:35 Mode: (by ChanOP) +o Ysjoelfir
21:42 <rust_collector> cpl thingies makes the best boxes
22:03 <Ysjoelfir> Mornings
22:16 <rust_collector> eveningz
22:39 <Lemon> if I can open it, that is
22:41 <Lemon> yoyo
23:02 <rust_collector> HELLO! mr yoyo
23:12 <Kuschelpony> rustcollector, i know that chatrooms existed already back in the late 1930s on real teletext machines, called "Konferenzfernschreiben" in germany, but i think IRC on a computer screen is a bit more comfortable to use
23:30 <rust_collector> I would think so
24:38 <Kuschelpony> but i still would be curious to set up an steampunk or super-retro-chat running on such hardware again
25:46 <rust_collector> hehe, old things are usually pretty neat, in some way. and very not neat in some ways. but it tends to make sense.
27:32 <rust_collector> well, I am going outside, to see if I can crossthread that fitting, now that I tidied up the threads on it
32:02 <Lemon> what do you think Ysjoelfir, I found a dead cpl box, could it work well for the sensor ? :>
32:21 <Ysjoelfir> cpl? sensor?
32:35 * Ysjoelfir is still making light snorring sounds
32:35 <Lemon> you know the mas-1 replica !
32:40 <Lemon> hmmm wait a minute
32:47 <Lemon> I will send you a pic on your phone
32:58 <Ysjoelfir> phone... yes, I have that somewhere
33:51 <Ysjoelfir> yes
35:04 <Lemon> :D
35:20 <Lemon> any idea of that circuit' utility ?
35:25 <Lemon> seems its two inductors with a cap
35:52 <Ysjoelfir> looks like a pretty normal filter to me
35:59 <Lemon> should I leave it ?
36:04 <Ysjoelfir> no
36:17 <Ysjoelfir> you don't want to fake your measurements, do you?
36:48 <Lemon> definitively not !
36:58 <Lemon> hmmm the assembly with the little springy thing flew
37:04 <Lemon> I have trouble putting it back together
37:54 <Ysjoelfir> who needs springy sproingy thigns anyways
38:26 <Lemon> I think its the system that hides the two prongs when you plug it
38:28 <Lemon> hard to explain
38:41 <Ysjoelfir> ew, child protection stuff?
39:21 <Lemon> yeah prolly
39:25 <Lemon> guess its not an issue
39:27 <Ysjoelfir> leave that out
39:44 <Ysjoelfir> just makes it harder to stick 4mm jacks into there
40:15 <Lemon> alright
40:21 * T3sl4 cuddles snoring Ysjoelfir 
40:46 * Ysjoelfir snors loud in T3sl4 's ear
40:52 <T3sl4> :)
41:18 <Ysjoelfir> besides that, I was just told that I have to go to mrs. spouses parents, supposedly there is food waiting. meh.
41:27 <Ysjoelfir> cu later i think
41:36 <T3sl4> eat a food for me
41:37 <Lemon> have fun bud :>
42:41 <steve30> halcyon is having yorkshire puddings
43:18 <T3sl4> yorkies
43:19 <Lemon> hmmm now I need to think how to wire it
44:21 <T3sl4> hmm... with wires? :D
45:14 <Lemon> yes ! thanks, good idea :P
45:54 <Lemon> I will need a fuse tho
46:16 <Lemon> basically, what I want to do
46:32 <Lemon> is transform one of those CPL boxes into a "sensor" for my power analyzer
46:44 <Lemon> which allows me to connect any device on it, connect 4 wires for current/voltage and bam
46:52 <Lemon> I already have nice shrouded connectors, the cpl box
47:00 <Lemon> I think adding a fuse is a good thing
50:42 <T3sl4> it's literally just forwarding wiring to a PQA?
53:27 <T3sl4> or is there actually components inside
53:39 <Lemon> ho no just bare wires
53:49 <Lemon> I have the same thing for instruments, but not the same kind of plug
53:58 <Lemon> you know those plugs on the instruments side
54:02 <Lemon> idk how they are called
54:12 <T3sl4> banana?
54:16 <Lemon> nono
54:18 <Lemon> to power it
54:22 <T3sl4> IEC?
54:36 <Lemon> https://media.materiel.net/r550/products/MN0005052392_1.jpg
54:39 <Lemon> on the left
54:48 <T3sl4> IEC C13
54:52 <T3sl4> or its pair w/e
55:00 <Lemon> and now basically I want the same thing but with the plug on the right :> for regular appliances
55:05 <Lemon> like a microwave or whatever
55:22 <Lemon> R&S sells one for 275 euros lol
55:25 <T3sl4> ah, a receptacle, makes sense
55:30 <Lemon> I wonder what is inside
55:52 <T3sl4> mind that C13 is only 10A or whatever, you need a different kind actually for 15A+ circuits if applicable
55:58 <T3sl4> or fuse it for 10A :>
56:47 <Lemon> ho its more than enough
56:56 <Lemon> I mean 10A thats 2.5kw
57:02 <Lemon> 2.2-2.3kw
57:06 <Lemon> thats a shitton
57:17 <Lemon> but yes for the one I want to build I need a fuse
57:22 <T3sl4> i know 7A circuits are more common over there
57:23 <Lemon> as it will be more power through it
57:32 <T3sl4> we have 120V 15A circuits and they're so useless :P
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58:27 <Lemon> I see :>
58:55 <T3sl4> i forget if the next size up is very common over there tho (and what size that is)
59:25 <Lemon> I want to be able to analyze various devices
59:31 <Lemon> but for usb, im going to buy one of those little analyzers
59:40 <Lemon> they got tons of functions and are cheap
00:02 <Lemon> after lots of research I settled on this one, with its load https://fr.aliexpress.com/item/4001280718072.html?spm=a2g0o.cart.0.0.32fa3c00nVg4Vy&mp=1
00:04 <eevBot> [Title] - Testeur de courant multimètre numérique USB 3.1, détecteur de tension, lecteur Lua intégré DC 26V 6A AVHzY CT3 | AliExpress
00:30 <Lemon> the pc software is super nice and you can program it in lua, the creator is also very active on a forum
00:34 <Lemon> so theres lots of updates etc
00:43 <Lemon> you can even test lightning cables
00:47 <T3sl4> yay
00:51 <Lemon> you can calibrate it too ! which is nice
01:08 <Lemon> its accurate down to around 0.01%, 10 times better than advertised
01:14 <Lemon> which is quite nice for this kind of thing
01:44 <Lemon> well I still need to figure out why I can get a measurement via gpib of the PA only 1/2 times
01:53 <Lemon> it works, then timeout, then works, then timeout
02:36 <T3sl4> is it exactly every other?
02:44 <T3sl4> maybe the command isn't terminated correctly for some reason
03:46 <Lemon> yeah exactly
03:50 <Lemon> no matter how fast I do it
03:54 <Lemon> I tried various terminations
04:01 <Lemon> its either /r or /n
04:37 <Lemon> <- ;UE +2.331E+02;
04:37 <Lemon> ! VI_ERROR_TMO: A timeout occurred
04:37 <Lemon> Visa ErrorCode: 0xBFFF0015 (-1073807339)
04:37 <Lemon> <-
04:37 <Lemon> <- ;UE +2.305E+02;
04:37 <Lemon> <- ;UE +2.310E+02;
04:50 <Lemon> thats really weird
07:35 <T3sl4> gpib has some timeout and auto or manual read settings, maybe visa is trying to do those when it's not supposed to?
08:04 <T3sl4> dunno why it wouldn't do it every time
09:16 <T3sl4> i know nothing about visa or its implementations
09:54 <Lemon> well I tried to implement various timeouts here and there
10:02 <Lemon> I tried a little python code too, same happens
12:00 <Lemon> other instruments works fine so its def linked to the PA
13:55 <T3sl4> tried every combination of uh, EOI, EOS, EOT?
14:38 <Lemon> yeah
15:01 <Lemon> end of line is configurable on the instrument, either /r or /n or both
15:05 <Lemon> doesnt change anything
33:49 <rust_collector> maybe it is canadian, and needs an eh at the end?
35:29 <Lemon> tried aswell :>
15:31 <T3sl4> https://i.redd.it/kegoksgek8v61.jpg
25:07 <T3sl4> https://www.reddit.com/r/aww/comments/my1xe5/staying_as_still_as_possible_to_keep_the_peace/ for when halcyon comes back
25:09 <Lemon> I like the aspect of adding more capabilities to my lab
25:09 <eevBot> [Title] - reddit: the front page of the internet
26:33 * T3sl4 puts an espresso cup in Lemon's lab, waits expectantly
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54:06 <rust_collector> Lemon can you just buy that damn thing right now?
54:32 <rust_collector> the thing you have no use for, even if you can do things in lua with it
54:34 <Lemon> this rusty, always pushing me ! :P
54:54 <Lemon> well I want it to test some battery packs, and the various cells I have
55:29 <rust_collector> Ooh, baby, baby
55:30 <rust_collector> Baby, baby
55:30 <rust_collector> Ooh, baby, baby
55:30 <rust_collector> Ba-baby, baby
55:45 <rust_collector> Ah, push it
55:46 <rust_collector> Ah, push it
56:15 <rust_collector> yeah, and you don't think you can measure battery packs and crap with the real tools you already have?
56:59 <rust_collector> noooo, those are too professional, I need some dingdong from aliexpress
57:58 <rust_collector> just print a picture of it, and glue it to a block of wood, and put it on your bench, because you will need it just as much as that thing
00:20 <rust_collector> did you order it yet?
00:39 <rust_collector> it looks pretty cool, and has a nice screen
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06:35 <T3sl4> yeah, don't push it
06:47 <T3sl4> yeah, don't push it
08:54 <Lemon> well yeah ofc I could
09:18 <Lemon> but its a bit more convenient to have a software that comes with it, and many other features :>
13:49 <rust_collector> uhm, no?
16:26 Quit: MRiddickW ([email protected]) Ping timeout: 121 seconds
25:35 <Lemon> yeah it is, I can for example test a battery pack, directly know its real capacity, max power, have a nice curve etc
25:48 <Lemon> I could do that if I make a cable to connect it to my load and program my own thing
26:17 <Lemon> im mostly interested by power delivery features, I want to test it
26:28 <Lemon> it can detect various protocols
27:08 <rust_collector> so why have you not ordered it yet?
27:36 <rust_collector> you could at least agree with yourself....
27:54 <Lemon> because I always take time to research and be sure that im not doing a mistake, for example discovering at the last moment that there is a critical bug, or a better model etc :>
28:04 <Lemon> theres dozens of different models that all look alike
29:12 <rust_collector> there is ALWAYS a better model, and it will always be half the price, 2 days after you bought the old model
30:35 <rust_collector> if it does what you need it to do, just buy it
31:02 <Lemon> nahhh maybe not that fast but yes in a few months there will probably be one, lets say the best model I can get right now :>
31:17 <Lemon> would be shame to order it a bit too fast to realize theres a better one for the same price or cheaper
31:27 <rust_collector> even if you don't need it. at least it will look pretty, and you can make a small shelf on the wall, and plug it into a power bank, and have a neat looking display up there
31:58 <rust_collector> if you wait even longer, there will be 2 new models, that are super awesome
33:42 <rust_collector> oh, come on, it is pretty cheap?
36:43 <rust_collector> hm. this lump on my elbow has made me very aware of how close I usually am to things. interesting
41:19 <Lemon> but yeah I'll order it in the afternoon probably
41:24 <Lemon> heh get that fixed dude
41:34 <Lemon> even if it doesnt hurt (I dont know) it can be bad
42:01 <rust_collector> yeah, I will ask dr doctor tomorrow
44:28 <Lemon> good good
44:35 <Lemon> in the useless but cool things there is this too https://fr.aliexpress.com/item/10000004498643.html?spm=a2g0o.detail.1000014.57.1d3f6777smDekL&gps-id=pcDetailBottomMoreOtherSeller&scm=1007.13338.183346.0&scm_id=1007.13338.183346.0&scm-url=1007.13338.183346.0&pvid=10ecda04-2dac-4b18-9031-5a69b23df7b4&_t=gps-id:pcDetailBottomMoreOtherSeller,scm-url:1007.13338.183346.0,pvid:10ecda04-2dac-4b18-9031-5a69b23df7b4,tpp_buckets:668%230%2313192
44:35 <Lemon> 23888%233325%2310_3338%230%23183346%230_3338%233142%239890%239_668%232846%238111%231996_668%235811%2327181%2350_668%232717%237558%23137_668%231000022185%231000066058%230_668%233422%2315392%23142
44:36 <eevBot> [Title] - Affichage OLED du spectre de la musique, 3.12 pouces, commande vocale de voiture, VU mètre, amplificateur, Microphone, 8 temps, effets | AliExpress
44:40 <Lemon> shit what a link
44:41 <rust_collector> but it is sort of weird, because when I walk thru a door, or something, I can feel it juuust touching slightly.
46:53 <rust_collector> oh my bastard god whyyyyyy does that exist?
47:08 <Lemon> heh its cute
47:30 <rust_collector> no, it is just too small to notice its fuckups
48:01 <rust_collector> but hey! it has a humidity sensor, so that is fine
49:18 <rust_collector> but you should get one of these: https://bit.ly/2QxNWKL
49:19 <eevBot> [Title] - Bitly
57:10 <Lemon> I think my father had one
57:16 <Lemon> so theres probably one laying around
57:21 <Lemon> but I don't have the use of it, yet
59:04 <rust_collector> BUT THE FEATURES!!! you can things!
59:57 <Lemon> true, true !
02:03 <Lemon> also rusty you could get one of those for your meters https://fr.aliexpress.com/item/32658819804.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.0.0.5aaa4adcP7KABs&algo_pvid=9d79f888-ebe7-405b-b4ec-53c5ccd86b95&algo_expid=9d79f888-ebe7-405b-b4ec-53c5ccd86b95-9&btsid=2100bb4c16193556669616731ebcee&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_,searchweb201603_
02:04 <eevBot> [Title] - Module de référence de tension haute précision AD584, 4 canaux, fonctionne sur 2.5V/7.5V/5V/10V 4.5 30V | AliExpress
03:47 <rust_collector> eeeeh, maybe. have you done any research on those?
04:07 <Lemon> they are correct for 3.5/4.5 digits dmm
04:24 <rust_collector> mmkay
05:10 <rust_collector> you know I hate precision, but I could maybe consider that one
06:23 <Lemon> yeah I know thatsw hy I sent this one as its 5 bucks :>
06:29 <Lemon> nice bang/buck
06:35 <rust_collector> yeah
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10:29 <Lord_of_nothing> lego train madness https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECn2al0M98s
10:29 <eevBot> [Title] - Youtube: I Built a HUGE Lego Railway - Up Stairs & Underwater!
10:53 <rust_collector> whaat?
12:34 <Lemon> https://fr.aliexpress.com/item/4000804803900.html?spm=a2g0o.detail.1000060.2.507e2ee0tVNDGi&gps-id=pcDetailBottomMoreThisSeller&scm=1007.13339.169870.0&scm_id=1007.13339.169870.0&scm-url=1007.13339.169870.0&pvid=16b172ed-bc6c-4b1f-ac37-806f503e9f50&_t=gps-id:pcDetailBottomMoreThisSeller,scm-url:1007.13339.169870.0,pvid:16b172ed-bc6c-4b1f-ac37-806f503e9f50,tpp_buckets:668%230%23131923%2330_668%230%23131923%2330_668%23888%233325%2310_66
12:34 <Lemon> 325%2310_668%232846%238111%231996_668%235811%2327181%2350_668%232717%237558%23137_668%231000022185%231000066058%230_668%233468%2315613%23487_668%232846%238111%231996_668%235811%2327181%2350_668%232717%237558%23137_668%233164%239976%23391_668%233468%2315613%23487
12:36 <eevBot> [Title] - VariCore – batterie LiFePO4 3.2V, 25ah, 25000mAh, pour moteur de moto et voiture électrique, modification | AliExpress
12:40 <Lemon> I was always tempted by those big bois
12:43 <Lemon> jesus those links
12:56 <Lord_of_nothing> OMG so much test....
13:02 <Lord_of_nothing> text
13:48 <rust_collector> yes, very akbar
14:04 <rust_collector> I am not going to try to open that, I think
15:18 <Lemon> nothing will explode I promise !
15:42 <rust_collector> only my brain, trying to sort out your name in the middle of the link
16:00 <Lord_of_nothing> I want buy the speedway 5 https://de.aliexpress.com/wholesale?trafficChannel=main&d=y&CatId=0&SearchText=speedway&ltype=wholesale&SortType=price_desc&page=1&groupsort=1
16:01 <eevBot> [Title] - speedway – Kaufen Sie speedway mit kostenlosem Versand auf AliExpress version
16:49 <rust_collector> But maybe I should get a new set of scope probes...
19:07 <rust_collector> https://ebay.to/3sPgpIY ???
19:08 <eevBot> [Title] - Bitly
19:35 <Lord_of_nothing> omg who buy stuff from togo?
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