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00:21:03 <rust_collector> hello..... hello..... hello.....
00:21:54 <K> (noone here)
00:22:46 * rust_collector takes all his clothes off, and dances to the sound of space
00:23:53 <K> okay.
00:30:30 * T3sl4 stares back from the abyss
00:45:01 * rust_collector waves to T3sl4 with a body part
00:45:18 <K> is it sanitary?
00:45:21 * T3sl4 spins a sausage at rust_collector
00:46:15 <T3sl4> K: i don't think you can really say any body part is
00:46:30 <K> well, you could laminate it
00:46:40 <K> would be sanitary enough for me
00:46:46 <T3sl4> "we are dyslexia of borg. your asses will be laminated."
00:46:49 <rust_collector> it has been boiled, I think it is fine
00:48:00 <T3sl4> reminds me https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6I1ja0_oyg
00:48:00 <eevBot> [Title] - Youtube: Rob Zombie - House of 1000 Corpses (Title Song)
00:48:17 <rust_collector> that was a great movie
00:54:21 <rust_collector> well, "great" lol
00:54:42 <K> thats just great.
00:59:21 <Hsn> rust_collector, //echo hello ello llo lo o ..
01:00:32 <rust_collector> o o o o o o o o o
01:00:54 <T3sl4> oop
01:00:58 <rust_collector> Hsn why don't you use your scope for something today?
01:01:15 <Hsn> i can probe my sel
01:01:18 <Hsn> f
01:01:24 <Hsn> before and after food
01:01:35 <Hsn> u think it will be different ?
01:01:49 <rust_collector> depends of how deep you probe
01:02:11 <Hsn> 20 minute until i break the fasting .. my 350ml thingy water is heavy which means i slept without drinking
01:02:35 <Hsn> rust_collector, just surface of finger
01:02:59 <rust_collector> nah, you will still just get 50hz noise
01:03:29 <Hsn> how do u know .. maybe noise get absorbed after eating ..
01:03:43 <rust_collector> sure, you can try it
01:04:10 <Hsn> so what u think
01:04:13 <Hsn> i should probe
01:04:17 <rust_collector> prove me wrong. that is fine. it is not like I pretend I know anything about this anyway, lol
01:04:30 <rust_collector> you should measure the length of a wire
01:06:18 <Hsn> with scope ?
01:06:22 <rust_collector> yes
01:06:40 <Hsn> fast rise signal , reflection thingy ?
01:06:57 <T3sl4> or sine peak/notches (standing waves)
01:07:00 <rust_collector> that sounds like an idea
01:07:17 <K> that works only with coax, no?
01:07:26 <T3sl4> works with any transmission line
01:07:29 <K> oh.
01:08:10 <Hsn> hmmm how do u do it with sine wave .. measure time from peak to some sort of distortion ?
01:08:28 <T3sl4> just freqs
01:09:22 <Hsn> so at some frequency that matches 1/4 wavelength ... u will have less amplitude ?
01:09:40 <T3sl4> or more, or 1/2 whatever
01:09:54 <T3sl4> depends on termination
01:09:59 <Hsn> how do u know u just hit the 1/2 or the 1/4 ? :D
01:10:18 <T3sl4> because you do the ladder diagram?
01:18:48 <Ysjoelfir> or the V diagram
01:19:14 <Ysjoelfir> or some other technical diagram people just love for all sort of reasons! \o/
01:19:38 <Ysjoelfir> also, mornings2 or 3, no idea how often I rejoined today
01:44:23 * T3sl4 draws Ysjoelfir a hug diagram
01:44:47 <Ysjoelfir> woah, I like that one.
01:45:52 <steve30> o/
01:56:53 <Ysjoelfir> steve, did you already see techmoans video to the portable boombox?
01:57:08 <Ysjoelfir> that thing is so fake, I thought you might like it.
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02:14:39 <Lord_of_nothing> can anyone here help me?
02:14:52 <Lord_of_nothing> I dont not much about the lectric stuff
02:15:03 <Lord_of_nothing> I bought an E-Scooter with an 60V akku
02:15:17 <Lord_of_nothing> So what fast charching powersupply should I get? https://de.aliexpress.com/item/4001053514459.html
02:15:19 <eevBot> [Title] - 66,4 V 6,5 A 58,1 V7A Schnelle Ladegerät für Dualtron 60v roller und 52V DT mini 100 240V Express versand|Scooter Parts & Accessories| - AliExpress
02:15:31 <Lord_of_nothing> The 59V? the 66V?
02:15:35 <Lord_of_nothing> What is right?
02:16:09 <rust_collector> uuh,
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02:22:40 <rust_collector> todays project is done, the wifes car is full of cardboard. it will either burn tonight, or I have to go to the dump tomorrow
02:22:41 <JoePrivate> Anyone use or have experience with inductor design kits (assortment) while prototyping?
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02:32:53 <rust_collector> hmm, boss called, and asked if I could be away next week too... this is a little bit weird
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03:07:40 <Hsn> Woho
03:07:51 <Hsn> Got february salary today
03:07:55 <rust_collector> vvoho
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03:28:12 <Hsn> rust_collector: https://www.instagram.com/reel/CON4TsbFRb_/
03:28:18 <Hsn> Wht u doin
04:00:38 <rust_collector> just surfing
04:01:11 <rust_collector> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZAraJrlM5I
04:01:12 <eevBot> [Title] - Youtube: The Mayhems - Surfin' Moon (Original 1960s Trve Kvlt surf music)
04:18:39 <rust_collector> Hsn i blame you, because we have chicken today
04:19:16 <rust_collector> I am almost sure you sent a hidden message this morning
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05:00:32 <Lemon> whats up peeps
05:00:43 <rust_collector> no, I don't think so
05:01:32 <Lemon> haaa I was looking for a rusty
05:01:41 <Lemon> we need to talk specs together
05:01:47 <Lemon> I know you also love digits after the coma
05:01:54 <rust_collector> I put the ugly wheels on the wifemobile today. that turned out pretty ugly
05:01:56 <Lemon> several of them
05:02:00 <Lemon> hoooo show me
05:02:01 <rust_collector> yes,
05:02:04 <Lemon> pimp dat right
05:02:06 <Lemon> ride
05:02:27 <Lemon> after a long grind on horrible chinese websites, I found dis http://en.eucol.com.cn/products_detail/columnsId=129&FrontColumns_navigation01-1451374223232FirstColumnId=3&FrontColumns_navigation01-1451374223232SecondColumnId=129&productId=85.html
05:02:31 <eevBot> [Title] - U2832,LCR Meter,Changzhou Eucol Electronic Technology Co., Ltd.
05:03:30 <Lemon> price is under 500 euros, and its quite nice compared to others with those specs
05:03:39 <Lemon> I found similars for 650-700+
05:03:49 <Lemon> I asked the guy for a datasheet
05:04:02 <Lemon> because websites are saying something and the opposite one line after
05:04:14 <Lemon> Frequency:
05:04:14 <Lemon> 50HZ-200kHZ, resolution: 10mHZ
05:04:31 <Lemon> if you can really set frequency at 0.01Hz at that price, its a steal
05:04:41 <Lemon> even without its pretty good
05:05:07 <rust_collector> well, it says 50?
05:05:18 <rust_collector> so... it is probably 50?
05:05:38 <Lemon> minimum 50Hz yes
05:05:54 <Lemon> but resolution 10mHz means I could set 154.21Hz for example
05:06:06 <Lemon> instead of set frequencies like 50.60.100.120 etc like many do
05:06:12 <rust_collector> right
05:06:14 <Lemon> wwhich isnt too bad if theres a lot of settings
05:06:17 <rust_collector> I think so
05:06:25 <Lemon> yeah me too
05:06:27 <rust_collector> https://ibb.co/zh0420v
05:06:29 <eevBot> [Title] - 16196365528703053296867521199967 — ImgBB
05:06:34 <Lemon> but even then it looks nice
05:06:59 <Lemon> hooo but thats the good ol "jantes taule" that I also have lol
05:07:26 <Lemon> how do you call those thingies you put on them, to hide them
05:07:27 <rust_collector> yeah. steel is real
05:07:34 <rust_collector> hub caps
05:07:35 <Lemon> ogelivers or whatever in french
05:07:37 <Lemon> ok
05:07:45 <Lemon> mine flew away
05:07:51 <Lemon> after hitting curbs too many times
05:07:58 <Lemon> never lend your car I say
05:08:14 <rust_collector> it is a bit annoying, because the snow tires are on some ok looking alloy wheels, lol
05:08:48 <Lemon> heh a friend got the same issue, so he keep them all the time :>
05:08:55 <Lemon> sec brb
05:10:06 <rust_collector> no, he is just lazy, haha
05:12:59 <Lemon> yeah a bit too
05:13:25 <Lemon> hmm that lcr metter goes down to 10 attofarads
05:13:28 <Lemon> thats neat
05:15:25 <rust_collector> okaay
05:15:34 <Lemon> I bought a replacement gpu today btw
05:15:41 <Lemon> for 80 delivered, an hd 7970
05:15:55 <Lemon> older card but still good, more than enough for me as im not really playing
05:15:59 <Lemon> or only oldass games
05:16:16 <Lemon> I will put the gtx 1080 at an outrageous price on ebay, like 500 euros
05:17:59 <Lemon> if I sell it at 450 im happy, that wil be around 400 after taxes
05:18:06 <rust_collector> those look like things with numbers as names. I am sure thay are ok, lol
05:18:18 <Lemon> many of the same as mine sold for like 450-600
05:18:37 <Lemon> ho the 1080 is a 2 generation behind graphics card, it was almost top of the line
05:18:41 <Lemon> its still super good tho
05:18:52 <Lemon> but im not using it to play tibia which is a 24 y/o 2d game
05:19:01 <Lemon> and I paid 200 for it 1.5 years ago
05:19:10 <rust_collector> this is when I can say "whatever" because... blaah, lol
05:19:13 <Lemon> people went full crazy those days due to crypto mining
05:19:20 <Lemon> :(
05:19:35 <rust_collector> games are evil
05:19:39 <rust_collector> like horses
05:19:43 <rust_collector> so there
05:19:48 <Lemon> horses are worse tho
05:19:56 <rust_collector> but at least they taste ok
05:20:41 <Lemon> nice in lasagnas yes
05:20:48 <rust_collector> I think there is a gtx960 on a shelf somewhere. I don't really feel like putting it in anything
05:21:05 <Lemon> you could fetch a nice price for it
05:21:24 <Lemon> not so long ago they were almost nothing, now im sure you can get 150-200+ lol
05:21:25 <rust_collector> I did use some ancient nvidia card in the old p4 box. that thing did sort of need it
05:21:44 <Lemon> yeah basically I want a "decent" one to put my 3 screens
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05:24:05 <rust_collector> I am thinking about modifying the base of this screen, so I can hang it off the side of the bench, and maybe add a second smaller one where it sits now. we will see.
05:24:34 <rust_collector> but most of the time, this one has enough space
05:25:27 <Ysjoelfir> mornings... 4 or whatever! \o/ today is a shitty strange day! :D
05:25:33 <Lemon> heh should be doable
05:25:38 <rust_collector> hey morning again, lol
05:25:40 <Lemon> hi bud !
05:28:03 <rust_collector> wife has developed a fear of capacitors. I just thought I should say that
05:28:34 <Lemon> what have you done
05:28:49 <Lemon> my mother is scared of anything related to electricity
05:29:19 <Ysjoelfir> Did you do the "charge, throw and catch" thing, rust_collector?
05:29:22 <rust_collector> nah, I just walk around shorting my cap on random things. it is pretty incredible how much sparks go flying, just from that little thing
05:29:40 <rust_collector> no, it is just at 30V, so...
05:29:52 <Ysjoelfir> boooooooring! :P
05:30:16 <Lemon> lol the good ol "put in a jacket pocket and wait"
05:30:24 <rust_collector> it did burn 2 tiny holes in one of those telescoping antenna things.
05:30:30 <Lemon> its funnier with microwave caps tho :>
05:30:46 <Lemon> how much uF is it ?
05:30:49 <Lemon> many
05:30:53 <Lemon> many/much
05:30:56 <rust_collector> 1400mfd, it says
05:31:04 <rust_collector> or MFD!
05:31:18 <rust_collector> 14000, it is
05:31:24 <Lemon> hmm I never know, is it the older micro or new milli ?
05:31:32 <Ysjoelfir> micro
05:31:36 <rust_collector> I don't think it is old
05:31:37 <Lemon> yeah ok
05:31:43 <Lemon> they do decent sparks yes :>
05:32:11 <rust_collector> I think I posted a pic of it the other day. nice brick shaped metal can
05:32:11 <Ysjoelfir> rusty, did you grab the lathe from that company.....thing yet?
05:32:15 <Lemon> hey Ysjoelfir I bought a gpu !
05:32:23 <Ysjoelfir> cool. now send it over!
05:32:25 <Lemon> ha this one !
05:32:34 <Lemon> haha please its not even here ! :P
05:32:41 * Halcyon stretches
05:32:42 <Lemon> a pristine hd 7970 for 80 delivered
05:32:49 <Lemon> fine enough for me :>
05:33:01 <rust_collector> nope. no lathing for me
05:33:19 <Ysjoelfir> I am very mu8ch not into GPUs anymore. is that better or worse than my Vega 6something?
05:33:25 <rust_collector> and the company thing is the fire department, lol
05:33:54 <Ysjoelfir> damn rust_collector :D light something on fire than and run for it when they move out! I need someone who can lathify some steel for me :)
05:34:25 <rust_collector> heh. are you doing some "big" stuff now?
05:34:37 <rust_collector> I mean, non-tiny
05:35:12 <Lemon> definitively worse yes, its maybe 5-6 years old ?
05:35:35 <Lemon> maybe the equivalent of a gtx 770-780, not sure
05:36:09 <Ysjoelfir> well... I just want to have some kind of... die, piston and eject plunger for my Erbswurst pressing thing. I thought I could just do it using a benchvise, as I don't want to make thousands of those (yet)
05:36:18 <Ysjoelfir> Lemon: Oh, ok. then I don't want that
05:36:27 <Lemon> heh :>
05:36:44 <Lemon> I'll put the 1080 at 450-500 on ebay
05:36:55 <Lemon> and then hunt for a nice lcr meter !
05:37:04 <Lemon> you ever bought anything on alibaba ?
05:37:15 <Ysjoelfir> I should do that with the vega as well and return to my old 970GTX or whatever that was
05:37:28 <Lemon> ho yeah you def should
05:37:30 <Ysjoelfir> no, but on aliexpress
05:37:36 <Lemon> thats too good
05:37:39 <Lemon> yeah ali for me too
05:37:48 <Lemon> well on alibaba I found tons of nice deals, even for 1 unity
05:37:59 <Lemon> http://en.eucol.com.cn/products_detail/columnsId=129&FrontColumns_navigation01-1451374223232FirstColumnId=3&FrontColumns_navigation01-1451374223232SecondColumnId=129&productId=85.html
05:38:01 <rust_collector> hmm, ok. that is a thing... could you press a somewhat long cylinder, and cut it into pucks after?
05:38:01 <eevBot> [Title] - U2832,LCR Meter,Changzhou Eucol Electronic Technology Co., Ltd.
05:38:11 <Lemon> this is the current best for the price model I found
05:39:49 <Lemon> I also found a nice TTI micro ohmmeter, but well, I don't need this as much as the lcr meter, but shit its tempting lol
05:40:07 <Lemon> you know, to measure bars of metal, forks...
05:40:22 <Lemon> calculate how much current will go through a kid shorting mains with a fork for example
05:40:26 <rust_collector> will the sausage be dried completely, or will it be semi-moist, and wrapped up?
05:40:29 <Lemon> well not much thanks to protections I guess
05:40:45 <Lemon> hmmm yes im curious
05:40:49 <Lemon> with nowadays protections on mains
05:41:04 <Lemon> if I short it, it will shutdown, but will I still take a shock ?
05:41:09 <Lemon> if yes, how big of a shock ?
05:41:13 <rust_collector> if kid uses a fork to short mains, there will be very little current going thru kid
05:41:14 <Lemon> its surely not instant
05:41:54 <Lemon> yeah with his internal resistance thats true
05:42:01 <Lemon> what is the resistance of a kid anyway ?
05:42:17 <rust_collector> about 80Kohms
05:42:18 <Lemon> probably less if he peed himself just before
05:42:36 <rust_collector> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TJEzdqtXlQ
05:42:36 <Ysjoelfir> rusty, that should be possible I think, yes. The original one from Knorr is pretty dry, but fatty-dry. I think the sticking action comes from the fat in the pea powder mexture.
05:42:37 <eevBot> [Title] - Youtube: Inside a fake un-trippable circuit breaker.
05:43:10 <rust_collector> right. then that should work
05:44:42 <rust_collector> maybe a pipe, with a sliding block at the end, so you slide it to the side, and it opens a hole, and when you slide it to the side again, it shears off a puck?
05:45:02 <rust_collector> sort of like a large cannon, in reverse
05:47:09 <Lemon> jesus its scary
05:47:41 <rust_collector> it looks much safer than the nails we used to use
05:54:40 <Ysjoelfir> that sounds like roughly what I had in mind, just in "longer"
05:54:44 <Ysjoelfir> :)
05:56:11 <rust_collector> I mean... put a "loading slot" at the top, have a piston on a long screw squish it down against the breach block,
05:56:43 <rust_collector> slide, slide, squish slide slide, squish
05:58:22 <Ysjoelfir> that should work out great. I think. Just need to find a way to build that
05:59:04 <rust_collector> so, 2" wide, and 1" tall pucks?
05:59:16 <Ysjoelfir> yep, roughly
05:59:34 <rust_collector> i will have a look
05:59:45 <Lemon> hey im wondering, what are those "handler" ports for, at the back of many test instruments ?
05:59:57 <Lemon> some look like extended rs232 or extended gpib ports
06:02:24 <rust_collector> for plugging in the handlers
06:02:28 <rust_collector> most of the time
06:04:56 <Ysjoelfir> thanks :D
06:05:51 <Ysjoelfir> Today I received some offers for CNC turning the blanks for the heater cartridges. that was actually cheaper than I expected
06:06:02 <rust_collector> Hmm, I wonder if I still remember how to tig, lol
06:06:33 <rust_collector> well, when they have the program, it takes no time at all to knock out 200 of those
06:06:59 <Ysjoelfir> yep. 4.60 per piece (roughly 1.60 material cost) if I order 500, 6.90 if I order 50
06:07:25 <rust_collector> aluninium, or?
06:07:35 <Ysjoelfir> yes. for best heat transfer
06:07:39 <rust_collector> be awkward, and use copper
06:08:38 <Ysjoelfir> the competitor uses a brass tube and some resin to insert all the stuff. seems to me way more expensive and complicated. and brass transfers heat slower than aluminuminium IIRC
06:09:12 <Ysjoelfir> well, and especially if its a heater - resin - brass heat transfer instead of a heater - heatsink compount - alu
06:09:17 <rust_collector> uhm, yes, probably
06:10:20 <Lemon> what is it for Ysjoelfir ?
06:10:38 <Ysjoelfir> what do you mean with it?
06:10:40 <rust_collector> russian camping trips in winter
06:10:53 <Ysjoelfir> the heater cartridges?
06:11:53 <rust_collector> aaaand he fell asleep
06:12:00 <Lemon> yes !
06:12:03 <Ysjoelfir> seems like it
06:12:04 <Lemon> what you want to make
06:12:06 <Ysjoelfir> ah
06:12:12 <rust_collector> at least he agrees
06:12:19 <rust_collector> always so positive
06:12:20 <Ysjoelfir> its for russian camping trips in winter. with the motorcycle.
06:12:22 <Lemon> sorry I have just one screen, im watching a video too lol
06:12:37 <Lemon> hmmm
06:12:45 <Lemon> ok I see :>
06:12:45 <rust_collector> I also have only one screen...
06:13:40 * rust_collector is eating more chinken and rice with yellow sauce
06:14:04 <Ysjoelfir> its a pretty simple concept. you insert it into the rectum, jump onto the bike and switch it on. as soon as you start driving it registers your body temperature and regulates it in a reverse rectumfrying method to compensate for the cooling effect of the snow accumulating on you while driving.
06:14:30 <Lemon> hah thats funny, thats exactly what I thought it was made for !
06:14:36 <rust_collector> it is a very elegant and simple solution
06:15:02 * Ysjoelfir had pigs in blankets. but with chicken.
06:16:29 <Ysjoelfir> also rusty, I tried your suggested sliding clamping method. it works just so great, I am so happy that you gave me that idea :)
06:16:51 <rust_collector> oh, neat
06:17:35 <rust_collector> I think it should be fairly simple to make that work in most sizes and even if the tubes are not exactly round, and so on
06:20:48 <Lord_of_nothing> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHwVBirqD2s
06:20:49 <eevBot> [Title] - Youtube: Elton John - I'm Still Standing
06:20:51 <rust_collector> I mean, the "inside" can be the same, on all sizes, just machine down the outside, and done
06:21:19 <rust_collector> Now, I find this bot less annoying than the old one, but why does it do that?
06:23:26 <Lemon> ho also, I don't fully understand a spec of those lcr meters : internal dc bias source, that goes from 0 to 5V usually, what is it for exactly ?
06:24:09 <Ysjoelfir> Yep, that is the way I want to do it now. I would put 18mm blanks on storage, turn them to size if I get an order, cut the 45 degree and polish that. done. Also, here are a few pics of my uncles handlebar which I installed the first test set with the clamping thing. https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/10skg30GGd4HB6I3zuonRtZiW5fkHhCLp?usp=sharing
06:24:10 <eevBot> [Title] - First test clamping method - Google Drive
06:24:25 <rust_collector> https://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/244408/dc-bias-of-lcr-meter
06:24:27 <eevBot> [Title] - DC bias of LCR meter - Electrical Engineering Stack Exchange
06:25:59 <rust_collector> that looks ok-ish?
06:26:57 <Lemon> thanks rusty
06:27:06 <rust_collector> did it help?
06:27:29 <Ysjoelfir> that clamp thing works exceptionally great. I didn't even need to make a slot, I just made the M6 thread, cut the blank at an angle, drilled the small part with 8mm, done.
06:27:52 <rust_collector> right, let it be sloppy,
06:29:08 <rust_collector> if you have some very picky customers, tell them you can add a slot and alignment dowel for 100 eurodollars more
06:29:48 <Ysjoelfir> who needs alignment anyway :P
06:30:02 <rust_collector> not on the steeling... nah
06:30:08 <rust_collector> steering
06:30:19 <Ysjoelfir> :P
06:31:01 <rust_collector> Lemon did it help? I dunno? I just posted one of the first links that looked like it has something to do with it?
06:31:21 <Lemon> I have too many tabs open, im looking for it since you posted it lol
06:31:44 <rust_collector> https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipO4POxjJsS6THz_7zLZt06PsZZpH7d1XiyyVSO1Hp0RkwRC9bNFiccMvlGSCJ1jFA/photo/AF1QipNK6988W3nHCSvNlAaE87gH8QY08oECbFRf3PnI?key=eUkxZXNWUzJxQXcyX0tjQm1hS3BPemx2Y1g5MDFB
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06:31:49 <Ysjoelfir> I have just 88 tabs
06:31:52 <rust_collector> I also have too many tabs open
06:31:57 <Lemon> ok found it
06:32:02 <Lemon> I had over 300
06:32:05 <Ysjoelfir> lol
06:32:10 <Lemon> and it hides them past like 60-70 ?
06:32:16 <rust_collector> I have 11, and that is more than usual
06:32:19 <Lemon> I dont know why i am like that
06:32:27 <Lemon> "ho this is nice lets leave it open for later"
06:32:30 <Lemon> instead of using favourites
06:32:43 <rust_collector> Lemon that is a french toilet....
06:33:05 <Lemon> lol superb
06:33:09 <rust_collector> maybe Hsn wants to look at that design also, as he is into that sort of thing
06:34:11 <rust_collector> I do wonder about that block he used to space it up. he says it is very very flat and polished. it does look like a surface plate to me. it is almost 4" thick, I think he said
06:35:08 <Ysjoelfir> I was wondering when I saw the pic if that could be a surface plate
06:35:20 <rust_collector> I also wonder how many toes he will break on that thing, after 4 bottles of whine
06:36:00 <Lemon> jesus yes
06:36:03 <Lemon> first thing I thought
06:37:41 <rust_collector> it would be very annoying if it was. because he just found it outside somewhere. and I want to be somewhere you can find wild surface plates, that are not huuuuuge
06:39:00 <Ysjoelfir> I agree, yes :D
06:39:51 <rust_collector> I am glad Lemon has not gotten into that kind of stuff yet. because that stuff is expensive enough as it is, without him making it top 100 search term on ebay
06:40:05 <Ysjoelfir> bwahahaha :D
06:42:46 <rust_collector> but i guess... he does like his places after the coma, as he said.... he would have plenty of that, and also have to keep track of temps and humidity, and probably where the moon is. so I think it could be a thing for him
06:44:07 <Lemon> which thing ? I didnt fully follow
06:44:15 <Lemon> if theres digits after the coma...
06:44:18 <Lemon> im all in !
06:44:23 <rust_collector> yes...
06:44:38 <Lemon> I still need to build that humidity/pressure thingie
06:45:03 <rust_collector> metrology. measuring things
06:45:31 <rust_collector> you can get plenty of zeros if you are good
06:45:34 <Lemon> I looked all over the net, and I can't find a lcr meter with better than 0.01% accuracy, I was just curious of what was the top end
06:45:48 <Lemon> 5-6 digits ones just offer way higher bandwith
06:45:57 <Lemon> but accuracy is often 0.05/0.01%
06:46:59 <Lemon> but metrology is what I want to work in, Im looking for a school/course
06:47:01 <rust_collector> Some times, I wish you were more into measuring the surface area of a pebble, and things like that...
06:47:03 <Lemon> but sadly theres not a ton in france
06:47:15 <Lemon> ho yes thats also interesting
06:48:00 <rust_collector> how far would you go? do you think 0.01% is ok for that sort of measurement? i would not think so...
06:48:59 <Lemon> nah, picometers or nothing !
06:49:10 <Lemon> what am I saying, attometers !
06:49:42 <Lemon> I also find funny that most micrometers goes down to 10u isntead of 1
06:53:13 <rust_collector> think of all the things. you can buy a load of gravel, and have stuff to measure for decades
06:53:38 <rust_collector> 100 eurod, delivered
06:54:33 <Lemon> haha yeah characterization of gravels
06:54:45 <Lemon> selling them by tolerances
06:54:59 <Lemon> ha well everything interests me in that area
06:55:02 <Lemon> no only metrology
06:55:08 <Lemon> stuff in general
06:55:18 <Lemon> unlimited money wouldnt be enough
06:55:41 <rust_collector> but you can not specialise in stuff in general, that is for us other people
06:56:20 <Lemon> yeah metrology in electronics is what I want I think
06:56:53 <rust_collector> how flat is this electron?
06:57:27 <Lemon> not flat enough
06:57:47 <rust_collector> well, what would happen, if you made it flatter?
06:57:51 <Lemon> I read something about electrons the other day, I think 1 femto ampere is a couple hundreds of them flowing
06:58:59 <Lemon> well thats easy rusty
06:59:09 <Lemon> it wouldnt roll as easy on a desk
06:59:17 <rust_collector> what do you mean, when you say they flow?
07:04:39 <rust_collector> aaaanyway. I wonder if I should go to bed early today. I have to call dr doctor tomorrow
07:06:34 <Lemon> sorry mom called again
07:06:39 <Lemon> in current flowing
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07:18:10 <Ysjoelfir> to bad that there is no such thing as direct food transfer by internet. I am craving some norwegian selbu blå
07:18:36 <rust_collector> I agree, it would be nice to get that stuff out of the country
07:18:45 <Ysjoelfir> XD
07:18:59 <Ysjoelfir> you don't like it?
07:19:21 <rust_collector> I think it is ok. but it is not a thing I go and buy
07:23:35 <rust_collector> hmm, i do have a little bottle of argon. I do need to find a large stainless nut, because I do not feel like threading a thick stainless thing to m20 by hand
07:24:29 <Ysjoelfir> no? that sounds like "great fun"
07:25:24 <rust_collector> ok, it does not fit exactly, but... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqM5L5JQseI
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07:25:39 <Ysjoelfir> close enough :P
07:27:45 <rust_collector> https://www.finn.no/bap/forsale/ad.html?finnkode=216314883
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07:28:06 <rust_collector> i do think it is interesting that we import rocks from india...
07:28:14 <rust_collector> like we don't have rocks here
07:28:27 <Ysjoelfir> I woulg have immagined that you guys have enough stone.
07:28:40 <Ysjoelfir> probably even more than you have wood
07:29:06 <rust_collector> yes, it is pretty deep
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07:50:46 <rust_collector> hmm, I wonder... I can get a set of almost free injectors for a 3 liter... would my 1.6 get angry if I...hmm
07:52:33 <Ysjoelfir> it would love it. its thirsty, I'm sure
07:53:47 <rust_collector> I don't think it would be too upset... the original ones can handle 140hp ok, these are from a 130hp engine, which will do up to 170, iIrc, so they are in a similar range
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07:56:45 <Ysjoelfir> that sounds reasonable
07:58:07 <Ysjoelfir> I was researching if there is a conversion kit to turn the volvo to a direct ignition engine. seems like used GOOD distributors are a bit hard to find. I got one in the mail today but it has a noticeable play in the shaft. I doubt that is a good thing for the lip seal.
07:58:45 <rust_collector> well, you do have a lathe. I bet it only uses a bronze bushing?
07:59:34 <Ysjoelfir> its an iron bushing, but yes. but I doubt the lathe is precise enough.
07:59:46 <Ysjoelfir> but I would try that of course.
08:00:04 <rust_collector> but... hmm, I doubt it would be a good idea, unless you replace the entire engine management. you can do coil on plug just fine, but... hmm, wait... maybe... idea
08:05:07 <Ysjoelfir> I found that system here. https://cflomoto.com/collections/volvo-wasted-spark/products/lh2-4-ezk-wasted-spark-conversion-board
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08:11:07 <Lemon> I miss my volvos
08:11:12 <rust_collector> well, that does seem like a simple enough circuit, so I guess that could work... it is not like volvo is known for good solder joints anyway....
08:11:18 <Lemon> I dream of a nice 850 R sedan
08:16:16 <Ysjoelfir> Well, lets hope that I can just replace the bushing, which would be the easiest option. but if I can't... I think I try that. supposedly wasted spark saves some fuel as well, so... :D
08:16:29 <rust_collector> Ysjoelfir I wonder if that might be the best idea, more or less because it would not cost a new car to do...
08:16:32 <Ysjoelfir> also Lemon, why would you want to have an 850? thats a FWD!
08:16:48 <Lemon> I had a 850 :>
08:16:52 <Ysjoelfir> you mean the wasted spark thing, rustz?
08:16:54 <Lemon> a t5 sedan
08:16:59 <rust_collector> wasted spark does not save fuel. but it is much simpler to set up
08:17:11 <rust_collector> no, or yes. the little addon board
08:17:19 <Ysjoelfir> yep, that one
08:18:13 <rust_collector> I mean, worst case, you can leave the old distributor there, and snip the board out, if it quits working...
08:18:41 <rust_collector> but... I was thinking of something...
08:19:12 <DHess_US> https://i.imgur.com/Dq4wKMB.mp4
08:19:55 <rust_collector> very professional
08:20:29 <DHess_US> think outside the food container.
08:21:19 <rust_collector> Ysjoelfir does yours have the external coil, or is it in the cap?
08:21:31 <Ysjoelfir> it has an external coil
08:26:21 <rust_collector> https://bit.ly/3gIWVn2 ???
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08:27:10 <Ysjoelfir> that looks pretty close
08:27:13 <rust_collector> that one is 74 euros and shipping and probably taxes, but it is at least not reman
08:27:46 <Ysjoelfir> how did you find that? I pay 75 for a used shitty one here in germanistan
08:27:59 <rust_collector> the remanufactured ones are about double the price, and I do not like reman things with electrics in them
08:28:00 <Ysjoelfir> rebuild ones are 200, new ones made from unobtainium
08:28:03 <rust_collector> rock auto
08:28:18 <rust_collector> https://www.rockauto.com/en/catalog/volvo,1995,940,2.3l+l4+turbocharged,1289112,ignition,distributor,7108?
08:28:19 <eevBot> [Title] - 1995 VOLVO 940 2.3L L4 Turbocharged Distributor | RockAuto
08:29:42 <Ysjoelfir> cool. nice, I will try that if I fail on rebuilding the used one I got, thanks!
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08:30:13 <rust_collector> I have had pretty good luck with rock auto actually.
08:31:26 <Ysjoelfir> I never heard of them, but even shipping is dirt cheap. 12.50 with fedex. thats very nice.
08:31:34 <rust_collector> and, it does not need to be super ultra nice. it is just a distributor.
08:31:46 <Ysjoelfir> exactly, it just has to work
08:32:05 <rust_collector> well, fedex do tend to take some import fee things. I am not sure how it works down there
08:32:48 <Ysjoelfir> better than DHL who wants at least 12.50 fee from you for doing absolutely nothing except from delaying yout stuff because they are to dumb to shit in a hole.
08:33:04 <Lemon> yeah here dhl takes about 25 euros just for making a paper
08:33:06 <Ysjoelfir> I am very happy to pay fedex some fees, at least I get my things in time xD
08:33:09 <Lemon> then you add 20% ofc
08:33:14 <Lemon> ups does the same
08:33:35 <Lemon> fedex is nice I admit it !
08:33:40 <Lemon> I rarely pay fees
08:35:30 <rust_collector> when I went to tnt every morning, I used them a lot. I got a lot of free shipping there, lol
08:37:27 <Ysjoelfir> hehehe
08:37:31 <rust_collector> I just had to find a guy called Jon, and make him scan it as delivered, he was happy, because then he did not have to drive to my place.
08:37:54 <rust_collector> bypassing all the customs stuff did help a lot
08:38:15 <Ysjoelfir> lol :D but your place is nice, he should enjoy doing that! But I think I'll go to bed now. have enjoys you night time people :D
08:38:47 <rust_collector> ^he says, when I just made more coffee
08:39:35 <rust_collector> psssssht. well, i will have a look around. no, wait... I might be off for 3 more weeks... maybe I won't
08:39:55 <Ysjoelfir> I would stay awake for longer, but I have been very tired the last few days and have the feeling I need to get that sorted out as it makes me kind of retarded and agressive, both things I don't like to be.
08:40:08 <Ysjoelfir> So... the warm, cozy bed it is :P
08:40:26 <rust_collector> but yes, I think you would be ok on your little lathe, just ream out the bushing, and make a spacer bushing for the shaft?
08:40:46 <Ysjoelfir> that should work. If I get it out of there.
08:41:20 <Ysjoelfir> I try disassembling the distributor tomorrow and report how it went :)
08:41:46 <rust_collector> eeh, you will. it is not very long, and straighten out the things anyway, so if it gets a bit messy.... meh
08:43:04 <Ysjoelfir> we'll see :) I read that it is a pain to get the locking pin out of the shaft to begin with, so.... yeah. wish me luck :D and good night.
08:43:17 <rust_collector> or just make a new shaft oversize shaft, that fits the reamed bushing, then zap the stuff on top of it
08:43:37 <rust_collector> yes, pins are tough, but just do it
08:43:41 <rust_collector> good night
08:43:53 <rust_collector> (add heat)
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10:52:38 <MrMobodies> I think I got that Draytek 2830n working in the way I want
10:52:47 <MrMobodies> for it to be functional
10:52:59 <rust_collector> hmm, what was that again?
10:53:06 <MrMobodies> A router
10:53:11 <rust_collector> oh, right
10:53:24 <MrMobodies> I want to use it just for the VPN functionality
10:53:31 <MrMobodies> it is hardware based VPN
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10:53:47 <rust_collector> as you like computer things, where would you buy laptop batteries?
10:54:01 <MrMobodies> last thing which I don't need anymore is to DHCP relay on the LAN part
10:54:02 <MrMobodies> ooh
10:54:21 <MrMobodies> I would look for a reputable supplier that sells locally
10:54:29 <MrMobodies> and has insurance for when goes wrong
10:54:39 <MrMobodies> if it is hard to find
10:54:59 <MrMobodies> I mean the original batteries
10:55:11 <rust_collector> hehe, yes, that is almost not a thing. this is an "old" one, so no one keeps the original ones in stock
10:56:19 <rust_collector> so, I can either get ancient original batteries, that has been on a shelf for 10 years, or an "unknown" that is fairly new...
10:57:23 <MrMobodies> I know Duracell use to sell battery for cameras and so on and they had a contractor called 2-POWER
10:57:52 <MrMobodies> the only option is Amazon and it's reviews
10:58:02 <rust_collector> it is not that the laptop is worth anything as such, but I do like using it...
10:58:33 <rust_collector> hmm, amazon. yes, that exists. I have to look at that. I have never bought anything there
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10:59:10 <MrMobodies> Sometimes I'd give ebay a search to find if there any selling and if they have tested the capacity
10:59:27 <MrMobodies> and go on Amazon and see if they selling and what the complaints are
11:00:08 <rust_collector> there are plenty for sale on ebay. but... yeah. it can be anything
11:00:27 <MrMobodies> I wouldn't trust buying a brand new noname/unheard of brand on ebay
11:00:35 <MrMobodies> and would be skeptical of new original ones
11:00:47 <MrMobodies> I'd look at how long the sellers has been trading
11:00:56 <rust_collector> new original ones would be 10+ years old. I don't know about that
11:01:01 <MrMobodies> and see if they have sold counterfeit stuff
11:01:06 <rust_collector> yeah
11:01:34 <MrMobodies> not much choice, if they happened to sell old stock sealed they might not charge up again or to the full
11:02:16 <MrMobodies> but if a seller was tested used ones and gave a return guarantee when they don't live up to the time it was tested I'd go for it
11:02:43 <MrMobodies> I mean sellers who strip down broken laptops
11:02:47 <MrMobodies> and sell the parts
11:03:15 <MrMobodies> I once brought a few of those and they lived up to the capacity listed
11:03:44 <MrMobodies> I'd also look at the weight on the listing and compare it against the original
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11:06:35 <rust_collector> well, I will look around a bit.
11:10:10 <rust_collector> hmm.
11:10:14 <rust_collector> Dell Presision M7510
11:10:20 <rust_collector> that sounds ok
11:11:01 <electrohead> o/
11:11:08 <rust_collector> oiio
11:11:37 <MrMobodies> just looking
11:12:20 <MrMobodies> great laptop I like the touch pointer and buttons
11:12:25 <MrMobodies> no silly silver paint
11:12:42 <MrMobodies> hinges look robust too
11:12:54 <rust_collector> I do like the pointing things, even if it is not an ibm
11:13:42 <rust_collector> well, it does also cost a little bit more than the battery I was looking for, lol
11:15:16 <MrMobodies> wow https://www.dell.com/en-uk/shop/pfydresults/6110752?categoryId=2999
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11:15:24 <MrMobodies> they still see them but £125
11:15:36 <MrMobodies> the battery I mean
11:15:44 <MrMobodies> my W700 has a pointer and that's what I always use
11:16:07 <MrMobodies> one on amazon but is the seller really Dell?
11:16:09 <MrMobodies> https://www.amazon.co.uk/GENUINE-ORIGINAL-PRECISION-Battery-451-BBSB/dp/B01N79H0KI
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11:16:22 <MrMobodies> oooh no .com sorry
11:16:37 <rust_collector> yes, but the lenovos has that pointer thing connected into the motherboard, so it is not just a weird shaped touchpad, like in the hp/dell ones.
11:17:49 <MrMobodies> I think mine is part of the keyboard
11:18:03 <MrMobodies> https://www.amazon.com/Genuine-Dell-Precision-Battery-0TWCPG/dp/B073MNPBCF/ref=sr_1_5?dchild=1&keywords=DELL+PRECISION+7510+7710+Battery&qid=1619659004&sr=8-5#customerReviews
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11:18:12 <MrMobodies> yep it looks like you have to be careful
11:18:27 <MrMobodies> "sold by dell" but by an unuathorised seller
11:18:36 <rust_collector> it is, but it speaks to the hardware, not "thru windows"
11:18:38 <MrMobodies> so you don't know if they fake
11:18:47 <MrMobodies> aaah
11:19:06 <MrMobodies> I am pretty pound of mine
11:19:41 <MrMobodies> I got it tuned in the I want with the Mark mouse fix for the acceleration curve
11:19:49 <rust_collector> the sad thing, is that I only want this laptop to run xp, lol
11:19:49 <MrMobodies> that affects game play and that
11:20:11 <MrMobodies> I know of a web browser that will work
11:20:13 <MrMobodies> build on chrome
11:20:35 <MrMobodies> the only problem is, it is chinese, whilst you can set the language I wouldn't trust it with personal information
11:20:49 <rust_collector> nah, no browser needed on that. this one is only for car stuff
11:27:26 <rust_collector> hmm, an x220, that could work well as a carry around xp machine
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11:40:16 <MrMobodies> it nice using a lightweight operating systems for dedicated things
11:40:51 <MrMobodies> and sometimes with older stuff where it is not supported the thing to do
11:41:07 <MrMobodies> I mean not supported/not working properly
11:41:34 <rust_collector> yep. I only want xp on this one, because my program was made for it. It will work on 7 and some times 10, but it is not reliable. and I do not want to brick my car, lol
11:44:22 <flyback> nope I understand that
11:44:27 <flyback> just don't use xp for anything else :P
11:44:53 <MrMobodies> I use might use Windows xp for modem stats logging
11:45:14 <rust_collector> right. in this case, it is similar to a hammer. it is there to smash things.
11:45:15 <MrMobodies> or network management stuff with routers but disallow internet traffic to it
11:45:29 <MrMobodies> hammer?
11:45:38 <rust_collector> it is a tool, to do one thing
11:45:43 <MrMobodies> oh yes
11:45:58 <MrMobodies> a bit like that Draytek router
11:46:11 <MrMobodies> that I am using just for the VPN facility nothing else on it
11:46:21 <MrMobodies> I want the Pfsense firewall to handle everything else
11:49:06 <MrMobodies> Modems 1&2 bridged mode -> pfsense with 16 static ip's per line -> VPN NIC on firewall -> Draytek 2830n -> and back into the router
11:49:19 <MrMobodies> so I can observe traffic to it
11:49:37 <MrMobodies> and allow the connections to it
11:50:11 <MrMobodies> what I am pleased about if that I can set static routes on the LAN ports whereas others I couldn't or maybe didn't do it correctly
11:50:34 <MrMobodies> now I want do the same with the DHCP on the lan port, it seemed to work in the wan side but not the lan
11:54:16 <rust_collector> you are happy, because you could set static ips, but now you want dhcp?
11:54:39 <MrMobodies> yep
11:54:45 <rust_collector> mmh, ok
11:54:46 <MrMobodies> the DHCP on the pfsense
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11:55:28 <MrMobodies> I just want the vpn tunnel and the routing to be on the pfsense is what how I want it to work
11:55:37 <MrMobodies> rather than use the static routes
11:56:38 <MrMobodies> I like my thing seperate in that way
11:58:15 <MrMobodies> also one thing I like about it, I can route different users to subnet/lan ports
11:58:23 <MrMobodies> which is nice to have
11:58:42 <MrMobodies> it has vlan tagging but I am not sure if I can do it that way too
11:58:52 <MrMobodies> by user I mean
11:59:00 <MrMobodies> oops remote user
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12:08:32 <MrMobodies> Hello
12:08:33 <rust_collector> I am pretty happy about now having to go to your place, to figure out the internet things, lol
12:08:50 <MrMobodies> well I do it for a hobby
12:08:53 <MrMobodies> https://i.imgur.com/aMJTO78.jpg
12:09:10 <MrMobodies> any old crap I can get for little or nothing and I might find use for it
12:09:37 <rust_collector> yeah, maybe I will send a switch to you, just because
12:09:39 <MrMobodies> that's my setup, it doesn't everything or every link
12:09:43 <MrMobodies> ooh
12:10:34 <rust_collector> I picked it up, and never even tried to power it up, because... well, I don't have any use for such a thing
12:11:08 <MrMobodies> I think it might more than what it is worth to delivery considering many of them are metal
12:11:10 <MrMobodies> what make and model is it
12:11:33 <rust_collector> eeh, it is some hp somethingsomething. i don't remember
12:11:46 <MrMobodies> if you want run experiments on my equipment one one of my servers I can let you do
12:12:22 <rust_collector> thanks, but... you know. I am not that networky
12:12:28 <MrMobodies> the screenshot is an old laptop running windows 7 on a lan named mgmt
12:12:37 <MrMobodies> not connected to the broadband directly
12:12:50 <MrMobodies> it's just a management lan for the routers and switches
12:13:04 <rust_collector> I guess you have the disease, lol
12:13:22 <MrMobodies> so on the other switch ports and vlans the management interface cannot be reached by just anybody or anything
12:14:11 <MrMobodies> and my laptop/youtube won't be able to communicate to my tv and that without me manually allowing it through either the firewall or the switch
12:14:22 <MrMobodies> apart from the sharing lan
12:14:32 <MrMobodies> where i have some printers the a small NAS storagre
12:14:46 <MrMobodies> which I use for the network scanning feature
12:14:51 <MrMobodies> disease?
12:14:52 <rust_collector> My network is pretty simple. we have the modem-router thing from the isp, a switch, half goes to my router, the other half goes to the wifes router, which has the tv box things, and there is a cable from that, to the kids router downstairs. and that is it here
12:15:24 <rust_collector> yes, the networking disease. or condition, or... syndrome, i don't know, but you have it
12:15:31 <MrMobodies> aaah like a seperate vdsl modem thing
12:15:54 <MrMobodies> the reason I set it up like that with the management lan is because of what happened last year
12:16:05 <MrMobodies> when I got the Locki bot that used the windows updates
12:16:47 <MrMobodies> I read other people with Windows 10 can get it that way but except no patch for windows 7
12:17:02 <MrMobodies> so now every single switch port is isolated and just goes the router
12:17:12 <MrMobodies> where I can observe and manage traffic
12:17:35 <MrMobodies> and no more broadcast storm rubbish where all the lights flash
12:17:39 <MrMobodies> all the time
12:19:27 <MrMobodies> and unwanted communication across devices that don't need to communicate
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17:25:40 <Ysjoelfir> mornings
17:25:52 <Ysjoelfir> is the rust_collector here? :)
17:26:28 <gremlinz> he's rusting away
17:26:33 <Ysjoelfir> to bad
17:37:22 <steve30> I think I'll try and install a Windows 7 VM
17:37:41 <Ysjoelfir> what do you want with it? nostalgia?
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17:38:10 <steve30> I normally use XP, but I want the VM to be multi-processor and XP doesn't seem to like that for some reason
17:38:18 <Ysjoelfir> aah I see
17:38:21 <steve30> Also I have a 64bit copy of 7
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17:38:30 <Ysjoelfir> nice :D
17:38:34 <Ysjoelfir> Hello rhubarb
17:38:50 <steve30> I've never really used 7 though. Its almost as foreign to me as 10 is
17:38:55 <K> mm hhubarbs
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18:12:05 <Lemon> hi peeps
18:19:06 <K> oh look, it is Lolol
18:19:31 <rust_collector> Ysjoelfir whaaat?
18:19:46 <Ysjoelfir> rust_collector!
18:20:02 <rust_collector> eh, uhm, yes?
18:20:35 <rust_collector> steve30 7 is pretty ok, imo
18:21:20 <Ysjoelfir> do you think a radial play of.... erm.... the bushing is 12.5 and the shaft is 12.43. does that make it 3.5 or 7 hundreds radial play? whatever it is, do you think thats ok? or should I get a new bushing with 12mm bore and lathify the shaft down to 12?
18:22:39 <steve30> OK, the Windows 7 installer fails
18:28:43 <Lemon> hah ! I found the resistance meter I will buy ! https://www.guildline.com/primary-electrical-metrology/highest-level-standards/resistance-measurement-bridges/6622a-series-of-dcc
18:28:44 <eevBot> [Title] - Guildline Instruments - 6622A
18:28:51 <Lemon> rust_collector 10.5 digits, beat that !
18:28:58 <Lemon> allllllll the digits ! all of them !
18:29:05 <rust_collector> i think that is a bit much. not very too much, but... yeah, you probably should do something there. I think the "rule" is around 0.04mm for spinning things. does it omly use one bushing, or is there a second bushing or bearing in there?
18:29:07 <Lemon> price probably got even more digits tho
18:29:26 <Ysjoelfir> there is only one bushing and a lip seal
18:29:40 <Lemon> do you count radial play as 7 or 3.5 in that situation ?
18:30:00 <Lemon> 3.5 on each side when centered, or 7 from one side to another
18:30:07 <Lemon> but what is the right denomination ?
18:30:46 <rust_collector> I have no idea. I just use clearances, because I do car stuff. I am not sending people to other worlds
18:31:15 <Lemon> alright
18:31:18 <K> Lemon, what is the price on that thing?
18:31:29 <K> five digits?
18:31:37 <Lemon> im trying to find it, I think I saw it once and it was 6+ digits
18:31:41 <K> yay
18:31:51 <Lemon> but jesus, 0.015 ppm accuracy
18:32:05 <Lemon> I had no idea it was possible to be that accurate for resistance measurements
18:32:13 <Lemon> and please, 10.5 digits of resolution
18:32:16 <K> for 6 digits you also get a technician to do all the work
18:32:33 <Lemon> you can actually exchange your old model for a new one at that price lol
18:32:42 <Lemon> and yes you have a dedicated person to set things up
18:33:17 <Lemon> in more reasonnable things I saw this https://www.ebay.fr/itm/294125340771?&ul_noapp=true&autorefresh=true
18:33:18 <eevBot> [Title] - BS407 Precision Micro Ohmmeter | Aim-TTi | eBay
18:33:34 <Lemon> its sold at 800-900 euros new currently, still in production
18:34:04 <Lemon> but no, I must not drift from the lcr meter
18:34:11 <rust_collector> Ysjoelfir can you get the bushing out, or do you have to machine it out?
18:35:19 <Ysjoelfir> I pressed it our pretty easily. its probably supposed to be a 12.45(?)x20x10mm size. couldn't find any information what size that thing should have
18:38:10 <rust_collector> meh, use what you can find, and make the rest fit. there is almost no load on that
18:38:38 <Ysjoelfir> I found a 12mm diameter one. I think I just try that.
18:39:38 <rust_collector> that is a plan
18:46:36 <rust_collector> https://www.skf.com/group/products/plain-bearings/bushings-thrust-washers-strips/bushings/design-bushing-arrangements
18:46:38 <eevBot> [Title] - SKF
18:49:44 <rust_collector> not that they had much fun stuff about iron bearings
18:50:13 <Ysjoelfir> I couldn't find iron bushings anyway, the only ones I found in that small size are bronce ones
18:52:08 <rust_collector> something makes me want to watch the electroboom live stream today, but otoh, I am not sure if I want to
18:56:58 <K> eat a cookie
18:56:59 <Ysjoelfir> I wonder if there is a reason to use iron bushings at that place over bronce, besides the price.
18:57:29 <K> maybe some ppl prefer rust
18:58:21 <rust_collector> iron does wear pretty well
18:58:53 <K> cast iron would make some sense
19:01:30 <Ysjoelfir> sure, iron is harder than bronce. and this used distributer I got here is 350.000km old and has only those 3.5 hundreds clearance. but I wonder how much faster a bronce bushing would wear out. would it widthstand 200kkm? or just 100k?
19:02:01 <rust_collector> it depends...
19:02:42 <Ysjoelfir> it does that most of the time :D
19:03:43 <Halcyon> Mmmm vodka, lime and soda
19:03:49 <rust_collector> it is a pretty slow moving low load thing.
19:04:27 <rust_collector> Halcyon you can keep the lime and soda, I can do the rest of that
19:04:35 <Halcyon> Straight vodka?
19:04:36 <Halcyon> :P
19:04:55 <rust_collector> yes please. and the mmmm
19:05:49 <Halcyon> ?
19:05:57 <rust_collector> can you confuser nerds tell me what hex editor I should use on windows?
19:06:11 <Halcyon> HxD
19:06:22 <rust_collector> mmmm vodka, lime and... oh, Mmmm is a brand?
19:06:29 <rust_collector> HxD, ok
19:06:48 <Halcyon> Or XVI32
19:06:53 <Halcyon> Both do a decent job
19:07:03 <K> now you better dont be hackin' over theee, ok?
19:07:31 <rust_collector> call it what you want, lol
19:08:00 <Halcyon> I figure if it's on your computer, you own a copy and you keep it on your computer and it doesn't impact anything externally, you are free to do whatever you like with software
19:08:20 <K> long time ago i used this - http://www.hiew.ru/
19:08:22 <eevBot> [Title] - Hiew homepage
19:08:29 <rust_collector> but no, K, I do not use arch or ubuntu, so I can not be hacking
19:11:24 <rust_collector> no fancy screenshots here
19:15:19 <steve30> I'm just trying out QEMU
19:15:43 <rust_collector> steve is a hacker now
19:15:59 <steve30> Firstly, I have to turn networking off for it to work, and secondly, it won't boot from my CDROM drive.
19:17:58 <steve30> it sucks that windows XP doesn't run natively on my modern machine
19:18:17 <Halcyon> Hey Steve :)
19:19:21 <rust_collector> it does not? have you turned off the... uh, "do not run blahblah" in the bios?
19:19:46 <rust_collector> hmm, what was that called again... uuh
19:20:40 <steve30> There's no XP drivers for these newfangled chipsets
19:21:20 <rust_collector> eeew.
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19:23:16 <steve30> In other news, my wrist has been aching a lot recently. I don't if its due to my trackball
19:23:33 <steve30> -don't + wonder
19:24:00 <steve30> (that was an intriguing word mistake)
19:25:06 <Halcyon> I guess it depends how you use it?
19:25:20 <Halcyon> Lots of repetitive movements aren't good
19:28:00 <steve30> before I go out, does anyone have a copy of windows 7 I could steal? ;)
19:28:40 <rust_collector> which one do you want?
19:29:03 <steve30> good question, there's that many versions I don't know
19:29:42 <steve30> I think this bad disk image I have is Pro 64bit
19:30:10 <rust_collector> I have starter edition, if you are like that... and I think home premium, and probably random cracked ones
19:31:06 <rust_collector> starter is 32 bit and is the netbook spec one. limited in many ways. but it is pretty small-ish, for being 7
19:34:11 <rust_collector> the home premium is 64 bit, sp1
19:34:50 <steve30> home premium 64bit should do
19:35:02 <steve30> i'm just off out though, back later
19:35:15 <rust_collector> ok, then I have to get it off the dvd...
19:38:04 <K> that sounds almost like work
19:41:26 <Halcyon> steve30, yeh I think I do
19:41:33 <Halcyon> Do you just need the image or the key as well?
19:52:02 <Ysjoelfir> so, rust_collector.... my plan is as following: Grab a bronce bushing with 12x20x10mm. ream that thing with a hand reamer to 12.4mm while being pressed into the housing. get the shaft in the lathe and lap it until it is a snug fit. yay or nay?
19:53:36 <T3sl4> Halcyon: https://www.reddit.com/r/aww/comments/n0wvmc/just_a_happy_owl_drinking_water/
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19:54:00 <rust_collector> yep, just do it. do leave it a tiny bit sloppy. snug might be a bit tight. the engine is open to oil and stuff, right?
19:54:41 <Halcyon> Aww cute owl
19:55:06 <Ysjoelfir> yes.
19:55:44 <rust_collector> and do your lapping in the correct direction, so you don't make the shaft dig into the bronze
19:56:36 <Ysjoelfir> I did not intend to lap it with 40 grid sandpaper :P
19:57:05 <rust_collector> no, but it still makes sense to just spin it in the correct direction
19:57:24 <Ysjoelfir> oh realy? I never immagined.
19:57:42 <Ysjoelfir> so the right direction would be that it "unscrews" from the bushing, right?
20:00:26 <rust_collector> it would be the direction that... uhm, same as the shaft will spin, as you "bend" the tops of any pokey bits over, right? so if it spins the other way, the tops will be like tiny sharp things that dig in, in the other direction, they are bending back, so you are on the side of the thing... it will be fine in this case, but is more of an issue with soft bearings, like a crankshaft
20:01:08 <Ysjoelfir> aaah, I see. I will keep that in mind than
20:01:28 <rust_collector> it is probably not a problem here. but why not?
20:01:48 <rust_collector> and i am still not awake, so use your own brain
20:01:51 <Ysjoelfir> I agree, why not make it right if you can, even if its not an issue :)
20:01:58 <Ysjoelfir> lol :P
20:02:34 <rust_collector> at least when all the work you have to do, is to spin it in some direction. it is not a huge amount of extra work
20:03:24 <Ysjoelfir> exactly^^
20:04:16 <rust_collector> but I do think you should leave a bit of slop in it. I am not sure what expands first, and how much in that thing
20:04:51 <Ysjoelfir> sure, I won't make it completely tight.
20:04:56 <rust_collector> skf says e7 to e8...
20:05:12 * Ysjoelfir has no idea what that means.
20:05:30 <Ysjoelfir> well, me knows that those are tollerances, but what that means in numbers is a mystery to me :D
20:05:49 <rust_collector> https://www.tribology-abc.com/calculators/iso_shafts.htm
20:05:52 <eevBot> [Title] - ISO Tolerances for Shafts (ISO 286-2)
20:06:21 <rust_collector> ug, was it e7, or h7... I have to look it up again
20:06:52 <K> you both sure like to talk about shafts
20:07:08 <Ysjoelfir> yes, we like our shafts and tend to compare them regularely
20:07:12 <rust_collector> but at least we do not complain about bad wrists, like some
20:07:13 <Ysjoelfir> wanna join in?
20:07:23 <Ysjoelfir> hehe
20:07:41 <K> uh no i have to work
20:10:05 <rust_collector> e7 to e8, they say
20:12:34 <rust_collector> nah, just don't make it tight. it will be fine.
20:13:34 <Ysjoelfir> hmm... if I calculated that right my thing should be just inside the allowed range. according to https://www.mesys.ch/calc/tolerances.fcgi?lang=de it can have 0.032 to 0.077mm
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20:13:58 <K> Berechnung!
20:26:26 <rust_collector> I still vote for 0.04 or so. but yeh. it is a very low load, it will work as long as the rotor does not hit anything, lol
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20:39:42 <Ysjoelfir> heh. found a seller on ebay for a 12.4mm reamer. he wants 36 euro for that thing, which is reasonable, but more than I am willing to spend. I send him a suggestion for 20. he responded with 35.50. I hate those guys, why do you allow price suggestions if you are not willing to give any discount? So i just responded with a new suggestion, this time for 20.01.
20:42:01 <K> haha
20:47:26 <Ysjoelfir> he responded with 34.
20:47:39 <Ysjoelfir> thats not even the shipping :D
21:01:33 <rust_collector> that is going to take some time, to get that down to 30
21:03:07 <rust_collector> 12.4 is a weird size...
21:08:56 <Ysjoelfir> it is. which is why i hope to get it cheap
21:09:39 <rust_collector> hmm, rar files on winders... whyyyyyy
21:12:36 <K> some ppl just want to watch the world burn
21:15:33 <rust_collector> yes
21:16:50 <T3sl4> were you raised in a brarn?
21:21:41 <K> world barn
21:24:14 <T3sl4> hello quiches
21:26:21 <K> a quiche eater, eh
21:41:41 <rust_collector> TA DAA! my program works, at last. I really dislike windows a lot, lol. Ok, maybe I want weird programs, but how can they have an os that uses program installers, that I always have to mess around with, to get to work?
21:41:58 <K> what program would that be?
21:42:06 <rust_collector> grrrmbl. never mind. it is just a reflex
21:42:14 <rust_collector> in this case, it is mpps
21:42:47 <K> something to do with engine tunine?
21:42:52 <rust_collector> all the programs from suspect places tend to need some work to get going
21:42:54 <K> -ninnnnnggg
21:43:06 <rust_collector> well, sort of, you can read and write to the ecu
21:47:47 <Hsn> hsn_cowsay hello ello elmo emmo mmo mmooooo
21:48:19 <Hsn> wait does it actually work ?
21:49:02 <Hsn> hsn_cowsay hi
21:49:23 <K> does not seem to work
21:49:34 <K> unless by work you mean it doing nothing.
21:51:58 <rust_collector> haha, yes, that is great. but you have to put something around your words
21:54:28 <Hsn> eh it dosnt work
21:54:34 <Hsn> unloadmod hsn_cowsay
21:55:17 <Hsn> https://snipboard.io/ScNKip.jpg
21:55:56 <Ysjoelfir> looks like it does _something_?
21:56:06 <rust_collector> you haz sane cow disease
22:00:08 <steve30> OK, I found out why QEMU wouldn't boot from my Windows XP CD
22:00:25 <steve30> I put a Family Guy DVD in the drive instead.
22:01:20 <rust_collector> family guy does not have drivers for "generic computer"?
22:01:30 <rust_collector> https://snipboard.io/ekjdBy.jpg
22:02:03 <Ysjoelfir> that looks like a pretty nice place
22:02:10 <rust_collector> yes
22:02:29 <rust_collector> you have to ask hsn where it is, because I don't remember
22:04:00 <rust_collector> but I guess he is too busy with his cow
22:06:32 <rust_collector> I am not sure why, but I added the auhagenburg to it. It seems to work. not many think it is in iran
22:07:10 <Ysjoelfir> lol
22:07:11 * T3sl4 munches a black olive
22:08:06 <rust_collector> that is... something.
22:08:20 <rust_collector> have a good lunch
22:09:25 <T3sl4> also fried egg and cabbage on rice
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22:43:43 * steve30 needs to learn norwegian
22:44:02 <Ysjoelfir> yes, you should
22:44:41 * steve30 is Pakker ut Windows-filer
22:49:08 <rust_collector> heh
22:49:22 <rust_collector> so, do I have to find a different one?
22:50:31 <Ysjoelfir> lol^^
22:50:33 <steve30> If you have an english one I'd appreciate it, although i seem to be getting through this installer with no trouble so far :)
22:50:47 <steve30> Now its Forbereder skrivebordet...
22:51:10 <Ysjoelfir> Wait until it starts with the brunost.
22:51:45 <Ysjoelfir> btw, just got to know that one from the new boris video. its nice. if he would stop talking so much and just play more of that beat. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fa82YBQw2v4
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22:54:09 <rust_collector> ok, I put a link over there, for an engrish version, with the same key
22:54:18 <rust_collector> master steve30
22:55:31 <rust_collector> men, det går nok bra
22:56:15 <rust_collector> so, I was outside, and copied the wifemobiles ecu. now let me see if I can do something to it
23:08:28 <rust_collector> ok, I think that worked. HxD was pretty nice
23:09:45 <rust_collector> I am not feeling too sure about flashing the car yet.... But I guess it has to be done...
23:10:52 <K> flash someone elses car first
23:11:17 <K> otoh i do not know what are the "indecent exposure" situation up there in rustyland
23:14:53 <rust_collector> I guess I should put wheel bearings in my car first, so we at least have something to drive, if I brick the pug
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23:34:38 <rust_collector> Hsn did you fix your cow yet?
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23:43:47 <K> how does one fix a cow?
23:44:07 <rust_collector> ask the cowboy
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