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00:03 <T3sl4> dyk cyriak makes doom levels too?
00:45 * Halcyon licks T3sl4 
00:48 <Halcyon> Mmmm mapel
00:50 <Halcyon> maple
00:55 <Halcyon> My brain is broken
01:17 <rust_collector> ....... well.........
01:19 <T3sl4> that's what mapel will do to ya
01:43 * Ampera licks Halcyon's brain
01:57 <rust_collector> even between his toes?
02:20 <Halcyon> Heheh that tickles Ampera
06:32 <steve30> Wikipedia seems to have everything...
06:33 <steve30> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impact_of_the_COVID-19_pandemic_on_the_LGBT_community
07:10 <Halcyon> I didn't even know we had an event called Ranbow on the Plains
07:53 <Halcyon> *Rainbow
10:40 <Ampera> sounds irritating
10:46 * Halcyon offers Ampera frozen Australian steak: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fM6URtYxGck
10:59 <coppice> steve30: not everything. its pretty comprehensive on wrong information, but a little weak on accurate information
11:01 <Halcyon> They look like pretty shit cuts to be honest
13:55 <Ampera> someone designed that piece of shit
14:02 <Halcyon> Apparently
14:07 <Halcyon> I don't know why it needs to exist?
14:11 <Ampera> whoever did it needs to be chopped up into steak, frozen, and sold in their own invention
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14:56 * steve30 ponders going out for a walk
16:09 <Halcyon> So it steve30
16:12 <Halcyon> *Do
16:20 <Halcyon> Fuck, I am more tired than I thought
16:24 * Ampera does Halcyon 
16:24 <Halcyon> Where would you walk to?
16:39 <steve30> just up to the main road
17:09 <Halcyon> What's up there? *Googles*
17:31 <Ampera> you assholes are making me hungry
17:36 * steve30 afk
17:46 * Ampera begins to gnaw on Halcyon 
18:01 <Halcyon> I have been craving ramen ever since you showed me that photo Ampera
18:03 <Halcyon> So fuck you
18:06 <Halcyon> Fuck you to the moon
18:08 <Halcyon> :P
18:10 <Ampera> did I show you the fridge stack photo?
18:25 <Halcyon> No, I saw the trolley one
18:34 <Ampera> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/315713347368648705/830841796375347300/20210411_122610.jpg
18:48 <Halcyon> Heheh
18:55 <Halcyon> I hate you so damn much
19:01 <Halcyon> But in a sense, I also love you?
19:50 <Ampera> I love you too Halcyon
20:07 <Halcyon> But yes, noodles, I have been craving
20:32 <Ampera> they're very good
20:36 <Ampera> I have some nice flavors too
20:42 <Ampera> the orange is miso tonkotsu
20:42 <Halcyon> I can see
20:46 <Ampera> green is just tonkotsu
20:51 <Halcyon> I love miso
20:58 <Ampera> black is black garlic oil and tonkotsu
21:00 <Ysjoelfir> mornings Hulkion
21:02 <Ampera> red is sesame
21:05 <Halcyon> Hello Ysjoelfir
21:11 <Halcyon> We are discussing noodles
21:16 <Ampera> I have a lot of instant mi goreng
21:25 <Halcyon> Ampera, I will have to get you to send me a box and I shall do the same
21:32 <Ampera> of what
21:39 <Ampera> and I can probably get the same noodles you can
21:41 <Halcyon> Meh, I bought mi goreng, it didn't satisfy my cravings
21:44 <Halcyon> Probably
21:46 <Ampera> indomie?
21:48 <rust_collector> I think Ampera is just telling you what noodles you don't have. it is not much of a discussion?
21:49 <Halcyon> Yessum
21:56 <Ampera> indomie mi goreng is delicious
21:59 <Halcyon> Yeh it is
22:06 <Halcyon> But I wish there was more chilli in it
22:09 <Ampera> I bought 15 packs of the normal stuff, and I think another 10 of other flavors
22:11 <Halcyon> I always add a bit of chilli powder
22:12 <Ampera> they have an extra hot variety
22:20 <Ampera> I have 5 of those
22:22 <Ampera> I also have bbq chicken
22:30 <Halcyon> Mmmmm... I'll have to find them
22:46 <coppice> Halcyon: the chilli level is variable. If you order it in Indonesia its pretty darned hot
22:59 <Halcyon> If I could take 1/4 of the hotness from those x2 spicy noodles and put them into Mi Goreng, they would be awesome
23:07 <Ampera> coppice, he means an instant variety
23:14 <Halcyon> coppice, sure, but we're talking about the pre-packaged instant stuff
23:29 <Ampera> I'm not a masochist like you are, Halcyon
23:33 <Ampera> I prefer to taste my food
23:38 <Halcyon> But yeh I would love to try a proper Mi Goreng
23:42 <coppice> I like bami goreng. Crazy stuff
23:43 <Halcyon> Also a good Dan Dan noodle
24:01 <Halcyon> Ampera, 25% spice wouldn't be so bad
24:10 <Halcyon> I can *just* handle it full strength
24:16 <Halcyon> With a lot of dribbling
24:27 <coppice> Halcyon: is dan dan how you are Romanising the sichuan noodles?
24:29 <Ampera> I'd like a non-spicy version of those samyang noodles
24:34 <Ampera> as they're very delicious, but inedible
24:45 <Halcyon> Indeed
25:03 <Halcyon> coppice, what's the difference between Bami Goreng and Mi Goreng
25:03 <Halcyon> ?
25:26 <coppice> One is made with mi, and one isn't
26:20 <K> meanwhile > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCRa01pJiq4
27:47 <Ampera> whilemean > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9aC5AGY9YU
28:30 <T3sl4> K: cool
31:39 <Halcyon> This recipe looks good https://www.greedygourmet.com/recipes-for-diets/omnivore/bami-goreng/
32:55 <coppice> Halcyon its basically mi goreng, but with bami (wheat noodles) rather than mi (vermicelli)
33:59 <T3sl4> why would you turn rats into noodles?
34:14 <Halcyon> Ahh
35:50 * Halcyon throws a rat somewhere in T3sl4's home
35:55 <Halcyon> Your job is to find it :P
35:58 <T3sl4> :3
36:05 <T3sl4> rats are cuties
36:12 <coppice> T3sl4: rat? you're thinking of KFC
36:40 <Halcyon> Bah
36:46 <Halcyon> KFC use real breast meat
36:56 <T3sl4> https://vlipsy.com/vlip/the-simpsons-you-promised-me-dog-or-higher-1aLz6CIq
36:59 <Ampera> breast meat is nasty
37:02 <Ampera> dryest shit in the world
37:11 <coppice> and the occasional rat, at least in the UK
37:16 <T3sl4> gotta marinate it, Ampera
37:21 <Halcyon> This is what he is thinking of https://youtu.be/LlhwGTnHw0o?t=39
37:45 <Ampera> I'd rather have dark meat which, even compared to the best of white meat, has a million times the flavor
37:48 <Ampera> and is almost impossible to kill
38:03 <electrohead> o/
38:08 <Halcyon> I don't disagree with you at all Ampera, I prefer what you guys call "dark meat" too
38:23 <Halcyon> But, breasts, as much as it pains me to admit this, has their place as well
38:28 <Ampera> nope
38:31 <Halcyon> Yep
38:31 <T3sl4> :P
38:36 <Ampera> not even pigs deserve that shit
38:40 <electrohead> breasts have their place .. in my mouth
38:41 * T3sl4 slaps electrohead around with a chickenboob
38:44 <Halcyon> and when prepared properly, they are amazingf
38:52 <electrohead> lol
38:53 <Halcyon> electrohead, talking about chicken :P
38:58 <electrohead> yeah I know :P
39:04 <electrohead> morning
39:05 <Halcyon> Not breasticles
39:21 <coppice> breasts have their place (he says, while cupping his hands)
39:59 <Halcyon> Breast meat is one of the juiciest and healthiest, but can be made to be super tasty with not many ingredients
40:50 <Ampera> breast meat is the dryest by far
40:58 <Halcyon> If it's dry, it's cooked wrong
40:59 <T3sl4> Ampera, again, when prepared improperly
41:04 <Halcyon> (or it's a shit chicken)
41:24 <Ampera> I've yet to have breast meat that comes even close to the quality of the worse dark meat
41:25 <T3sl4> i've had a chicken sandwich that was literally dripping, and i don't mean like i bit into it too soon, i let it rest, it was just ~saturated~
41:32 <Halcyon> Whenever I do chicken breast, it's always most and juicy
41:33 <Halcyon> Always
41:42 <T3sl4> now, in that case they probably injected it with something, but the meat was just as tender as goes with
41:49 <coppice> dripping breasts can be annoying
42:03 <Halcyon> I usually wrap them up in baking paper and foil and stick them in the oven with other spices/marinade
42:03 <T3sl4> coppice: right, gotta lick up the juices dutifully
42:11 <Halcyon> The foil keeps everything moist
42:13 <electrohead> they make pumps for that
42:18 <Ampera> even when I have had it relatively moist, it tastes far worse
42:34 <Ampera> and the texture is usually much stringier and often almost powdery
42:51 <Halcyon> What the hell type of chicken are you eating?
42:57 <Halcyon> Stringier, yes, I can relate to
42:58 <T3sl4> chalky texture is a sign of having been frozen and/or not brined
43:01 <Halcyon> But powdery ?!
43:04 <T3sl4> or maybe also cooked too fast idk
43:24 <Ampera> I'm mostly going off fried chicken, which is the only time I may be faced with having to eat breast meat
43:25 * electrohead wonders how long this conversation will go on, for
43:30 <Ampera> and they don't exactly have gordon ramsey running those places
43:33 <coppice> serve chicken breast meat to my family and they get really annoyed
43:39 <Ampera> as they should
43:49 <Ampera> I get very annoyed when I ask for dark meat and get served mixed
43:58 <Halcyon> Again, I don't know how meat is processed there, but even supermarket meat here is never frozen and certainly never pumped full of water and other additives, you would have to go out of your way to find such things
44:10 <Ampera> depends on the supermarket
44:23 <Ampera> aldi chicken breasts are usually absolutely loaded with saline, whereas their thighs don't tend to be
44:34 <T3sl4> electrohead, if chickens are making you horny, you may have a problem
44:43 <Halcyon> I don't usually buy meat from Aldi so *shrug*
44:58 <Ampera> I tend to buy chicken thighs from Aldi since they are usually quite cheap there
45:01 <Ampera> and as good as anywhere else
45:12 <Halcyon> But I dare say, Aldi would source their meat from the same place the other supermarkets do? It's all local
45:13 <electrohead> if you're horny and you know it, choke your chicken
45:15 <Ampera> I don't buy breast meat from anywhere, since it's usually more expensive than thighs
45:15 <electrohead> lol
45:26 <T3sl4> oh yeah, that's something we do a lot of, saline or phosphate loaded poultry, because we're idiots that don't know how to prepare and cook things
45:27 * Halcyon waggles it in front of electrohead 
45:28 <Ampera> Halcyon, I have no clue where it's sourced from
45:40 <Ampera> It may or may not come from NY, it probably doesn't
45:57 <Halcyon> Our's is sourced from Australia, all of Aldi chicken is here
46:00 <electrohead> I marinade my chicken all the time, baby
46:15 <Halcyon> Imported meat tends to be frowned upon. People just don't buy it.
46:26 <Ampera> Ultimately there's almost no reason for me to ever buy breast meat unless I am left absolutely no option
46:33 <rust_collector> I try to avoid chicken. it is just meh
46:44 <Ampera> Halcyon, here Australian beef is a category in its own right, it's often either dirt cheap or very expensive
46:56 <T3sl4> i always get thighs, when i do
46:59 <Ampera> and people either love it endlessly or would rather buy their meat from foot locker
47:28 <Ampera> Australian chicken doesn't really exist, because why would we care
47:36 <Halcyon> Probably the same stuff we buy here, of course you have your "economy" cuts, but then you have the nice stuff, which you pay more for
48:01 <Ampera> I tend to buy from stores that don't tend to do economy cuts
48:01 <Halcyon> But I don't know of any meat sold here that is injected with anything, unless it's on purpose like a marinade or flavour
48:05 <Ampera> Aldi has some really fucking nasty steaks
48:05 <EEVBlog> And the horse you rode in on, Ampera!
48:08 <Ampera> yeah
48:27 <Ampera> oh I'm going to miss my EEVBot when you people shamelessly murder him and replace it with electrohead's
48:35 <Halcyon> I think by law they have to declare it on packaging if it is.
48:37 <Ampera> (I am joking)
49:02 <Ampera> I once had an Aldi steak that was so dry and put together the thing literally turned into a brick when I tried to grill it
49:09 <Ampera> it wasn't even on there long, it just shriveled up and died
49:14 <Halcyon> Glue steak?
49:21 <Ampera> more glue than steak
49:39 <Ampera> so I buy all my steak from Price Chopper now, which is the higher end store around here
49:52 <electrohead> Ampera: you can always help out with it, if you want, still :p
49:53 <rust_collector> sounds very upmarket
49:58 * electrohead shows him the python
50:14 <Ampera> I ain't speaking your devilish serpent tongue
50:28 <Ampera> rust_collector, amusing isn't it
50:35 <Ampera> they're actually the most expensive store around next to whole foods
50:50 <electrohead> Ampera: speak into my python, baby
50:58 <electrohead> that was a bad joke
51:00 <electrohead> lol
51:13 <Ampera> I usually buy round or sirloin steak, as I don't mind it, and it's cheap
51:20 <Ampera> usually 7-10 bucks for a decent sized steak
51:35 * Halcyon offers Ampera Soylent Green
51:59 * Ampera offers Halcyon shelf-stable boxed chicken nuggets
52:01 <rust_collector> beef is never cheap here. and it looks like we do not have enough pigs, so we have to import from germany. weird times
52:12 <Halcyon> Shelf stable nuggets?!
52:15 <Halcyon> What the hell?
52:25 <electrohead> aka, mcdonalds
52:35 <rust_collector> they are flat on one side.
52:50 <electrohead> and bad on the inside
52:52 <Halcyon> Mcdonalds use chicken breast here (albeit with a bunch of salt and other spices)
52:53 <electrohead> (for you)
53:03 <Ampera> these are boxes you usually buy at the store
53:07 <Ampera> the ultimate in cheap chicken produce
53:25 <Halcyon> As in, actual "meat" that doesn't need to go in the fridge?
53:29 <Ampera> guaranteed to be under 50% actual meat
53:44 <Ampera> unless I'm full of shit and am thinking of a product that doesn't actually exist, yes
54:02 <Halcyon> Aside from jerky, biltong, canned foods etc... I didn't know there was such a thing
54:19 <electrohead> 'murica
54:21 <Ampera> I might be full of shit
54:30 <Ampera> I think it exists, but I think a lot of things
54:31 <Halcyon> Not surprising
55:02 <Halcyon> I'
55:24 <Ampera> I'
55:25 <Halcyon> I'd say almost all shelf-stable meats would be jerked (heh) or canned/vacuum sealed
55:59 <Ampera> It's also possible some idiot store I once went to put a frozen box on a normal shelf and I thought that was just a thing
56:02 <Ampera> I'm not sure
56:15 <Ampera> if you want normal, nice food here you can get it
56:22 <Ampera> we just have a lot of /very/ cheap options
56:43 <Ampera> some people actually like cheap processed food, it tends to be something children eat a lot of, to the point where it's sort of a universal comfort food
56:52 <Ampera> stuff like canned pasta, boxed mac & cheese, or indeed, frozen nuggets
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57:58 <rust_collector> I remember there was a thing, around 2000, to eat non-cooked dried noodles. as a snack.
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58:08 <Halcyon> Frozen nuggets are fine
58:13 <Halcyon> Just depends on how they are made
58:25 <Ampera> rust_collector, I do that every so often
58:33 <Ampera> pasta straight out of the box
58:35 <rust_collector> it was very popular for a while
58:36 <Ampera> or parboiled rice
58:42 <Ampera> or breadcrumbs out of the can
59:05 <Ampera> I'll eat almost anything dry and grain-like if I'm bored enough
59:43 <rust_collector> I also remember a guy in the military, that had a thing for eating the freeze dried meals, and almost dying becuase of reasons
59:45 <Halcyon> I used to nom on raw spaghetti as a kid
59:49 <Halcyon> Then I found taste
00:03 <Ampera> seems like you lost it again shortly afterwards, Halcyon
00:17 <Ampera> I don't have a strong sense of taste to begin with since I have a very poor sense of smell
03:56 <Halcyon> I'm the opposite, smell especially
04:23 <Ampera> Most of my food is heavily salted and spiced
04:24 <Halcyon> A friend of mine heats his lunch at work and immediately I can smell the type of dishwashes tablets he uses
04:28 <Halcyon> They fucking stink
04:39 <Halcyon> *dishwasher
04:58 <Ampera> the concept of a lunch at work is weird to me
05:04 <Ampera> I almost never ate lunch at work
05:22 <Halcyon> I don't have many lunch options at work outside of crap takeaway food
05:22 <rust_collector> when I did actual work, I used to
05:27 <Halcyon> So I just don't bother
05:33 <Halcyon> Most people bring in stuff from home
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06:10 <Halcyon> It's also cheaper
06:35 <Ampera> My working schedule has been completely fucked since COVID started over a year ago
06:41 <Ampera> but when I did have one, I only ate once a day
06:46 <Halcyon> What's a COVID? :P
07:00 <rust_collector> sounds like an energy drink
07:54 <Halcyon> Brrr, no wonder it's chilly in here, it's almost 1 degree outside
08:07 <Ampera> that's not that cold
08:19 <electrohead> for some people, yes it is
08:22 <electrohead> :p
08:28 <rust_collector> still complaining about his ac popping breakers
08:35 <Halcyon> Yes
08:38 <Halcyon> >:(
08:44 <hsn> 42, Halcyon!
08:55 <Halcyon> I would prefer 42
08:55 <Ampera> this maniac has 34 degree weather outside and says
08:56 <Ampera> hmm
08:59 <Ampera> let's turn up the AC
09:29 <Halcyon> I do need to do something about the humidity in there though
09:35 <Halcyon> It's starting to get too dry
09:39 <Halcyon> I hate winter
09:46 <Ampera> you don't even have winter
09:48 <Halcyon> *here
09:51 <Ampera> I'd love the sort of winter you guys have
09:52 <Halcyon> We fucking do
09:57 <Ampera> cold without many real consequences
09:59 <Ampera> lolno
10:07 <Halcyon> I have to put long sleeves on
10:08 <Ampera> you have a mild fall and then go straight back into literally on fire
10:13 <Ampera> OH NO
10:13 <hsn> nothing beats our winter
10:14 <Ampera> NOT LONG SLEEVES
10:21 <Halcyon> I hate them
10:24 <hsn> min 9 deg C ..
10:34 <Halcyon> 9C isn't bad
10:40 <hsn> its the perfect winter ..
10:54 <Ampera> we have a minimum of around -30C
10:54 <hsn> 3-4 days of rain .. not so heavy
10:56 <Halcyon> It does get cold up where I am, we have snow
11:03 <rust_collector> in 1963, I think it was, there was a somewhat cold day in bahrain...
11:04 <Halcyon> But not Ampera level snow
11:05 <Ampera> no you don't
11:06 <Halcyon> That's just stupid
11:14 <Ampera> you have light sprinklings you probably don't even have to shovel
11:16 <Ampera> we get SNOW
11:22 <Halcyon> I've only had to dig my car out of snow once and that was in Tasmania
11:32 <Ampera> like two guys with big shovels taking an hour to free a single car snow
12:14 <hsn> rust_collector, where someone took -5C in some no house area .. probably for few minutes .. :D
12:15 <Halcyon> Anyway, I'm going to bed, I have to be up early for the electricians again
12:17 <Ampera> I'd probably die with your summers though
12:19 <Halcyon> There were here at 0730
12:27 <Halcyon> What the hell time is that!?
12:31 <Ampera> max temp of 50C, and I think it gets hot around 70F
12:38 <Ampera> I start work at 06:00
12:42 <Ampera> so it sounds mighty convenient to me
12:47 <Halcyon> Yes but these are tradies
12:56 <Halcyon> They should be turning up at 1100
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13:20 <AlfBaz> tradie here watch my feelings
13:32 <Halcyon> AlfBaz, am I wrong?
13:36 <electrohead> lol
13:53 <AlfBaz> yeah i wouldnt do anything until afyrr lunch
13:58 <Lord_of_nothing> omg
13:59 <Halcyon> Heh
14:07 <Halcyon> Anyway, I'm going to bed. Night guys.
14:07 <Lord_of_nothing> for everyone who life in UK: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-oyW6cgCpE
14:13 <Halcyon> (And Ampera)
14:24 <electrohead> night Halcyon o/
14:32 <AlfBaz> iys 10am before i finish myb7 11 donuys :)
14:58 <Ampera> Lord_of_nothing, good, they should be closing down all the churches
15:06 <Ampera> it's despicable that they let people worship that shit
15:20 <AlfBaz> aghh getting off the phone
15:20 <Ampera> the state should be forcing people to be atheist, it's the only free choice
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16:29 <Lord_of_nothing> funny guy he should read the sticker at 2:24
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29:47 <steve30> Lord_of_nothing, I was going to say that that gathering in the church was indeed illegal, but come to think of it, I'm not sure what the exemptions are/were for worship.
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39:08 <K> depends on location
39:35 <K> here there can be some of it, but must be masked and have like 15sqm per person
39:59 <K> some made great fuss about it, aparently god cant hear your prayers through the mask
42:04 <rust_collector> any church, where they do not serve waffles, should be burnt
42:37 <Ampera> ^^^^
43:04 <coppice> The one thing EVERY church serves is waffle
44:46 <rust_collector> that is a different kind, I think
45:01 <rust_collector> but I have not been in every church, so...
45:17 <rust_collector> better burn all of them.
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12:04 <steve30> Maybe I should put up the video I took of some street preachers
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39:50 <Susceptibility> Hello
40:33 <Susceptibility> I am trying to register to the forum, I am sure I gave the correct email, I tried to resend the activation email many times, but still nothing
40:57 <Susceptibility> Could this be related to the eev server issue?
41:31 <Susceptibility> @everyone
41:34 <Susceptibility> @ChanOP
41:39 <Susceptibility> @EEVBlog
41:42 <Susceptibility> @steve30
41:53 <Susceptibility> @Ysjoelfir
42:00 <Ampera> please stop flooding the channel
42:25 <Susceptibility> Sorry just asked for some help, and nobody was giving a signal of being alive
42:49 <Ampera> This IRC is primarily for discussion. Outside of a few people who don't happen to be here at the moment, we cannot give forum support.
42:51 <TheDude> the only person that could actually help you is not here now
43:36 <Ampera> I'm also not sure what you expect, but people don't tend to stare at IRC 24/7 looking for people asking for help, so waiting for more than a minute for someone to give you a response would be nice.
44:47 <Ysjoelfir> eh? I suspect we have a inpatient being here today
44:59 <steve30> Susceptibility, that is probably a matter for Halcyon but I don't think he's here now
45:21 <steve30> None of the rest of us have any power on the forum, sorry
45:29 <Ysjoelfir> Thats precisely correct
45:31 <Susceptibility> Thank you Dude. Ampera, I am sorry, I don't really use IRC, I don't have a feel for it, but you are right, I was a bit impatient.
46:02 <TheDude> fwiw, you're welcome to stick around
46:10 <TheDude> in many ways, this channel >>> the forum
46:48 <Ysjoelfir> That is also very true :P except when T3sl4 is around.
46:51 <Susceptibility> Oh, wow. :) I'll be here around I think :)
46:56 <T3sl4> but when would that happen
47:12 <Ysjoelfir> I have no idea, that dickhead always appears out of thin air when nobody wants him here
47:26 <Ysjoelfir> ;P
47:29 <Susceptibility> :D
47:59 <steve30> T3sl4 is always here
48:09 <Ampera> He's a ghost, and he /will/ haunt you
48:16 <TheDude> speaking of things... are you set on that nickname, or is it more of a spur of the moment thing?
48:22 <TheDude> it has a lot of letters
48:37 <Ampera> nah
48:40 <Ampera> it doesn't have enough
48:43 <Ampera> more letters
48:56 <TheDude> it's stretching the nickname column in my hexchat :<
49:19 * Ysjoelfir hands TheDude a crowbar
49:33 <Ampera> I'm using a 5:4 monitor and have no problems
49:40 <TheDude> hold up
49:43 <Ampera> quit your complaining, or get a monitor that's wider than a popsicle stick
49:44 <TheDude> where'd you get that format?
49:46 <T3sl4> ew
49:48 <Ampera> wha?
49:57 <TheDude> WANT
49:59 <Ampera> 5:4 is a common ratio
50:06 <T3sl4> i wouldn't say it's common
50:10 <Ampera> you can usually find 5:4 monitors for 10 bucks on craigslist here
50:17 <T3sl4> it was only ever one dimension, wasn't it?
50:18 <Ampera> reasonably common in the world of computer monitors
50:21 <Ysjoelfir> I use a 9:16 monitor. its indeed a bit long and pushes my nick column a bit as well, but its still not the longest one, so its fine
50:22 <T3sl4> 1280x1024
50:22 <Ampera> wha?
50:25 <Ampera> yeah
50:28 <TheDude> nah, most monitors sold now are the bloody 16:9
50:29 <Ampera> but that's a very common resolution
50:35 <T3sl4> well, was
50:38 <Ampera> TheDude, my main monitor is 32:9
50:39 <TheDude> or slightly more raraly, but still common 16:10
50:47 <TheDude> rarely*
50:58 <T3sl4> 1920x1200 >> 1920x1080
51:05 <Susceptibility> Do you use laptop with external monitor?
51:12 <T3sl4> too bad the only one of those i have is a somewhat small laptop screen
51:22 <TheDude> Ysjoelfir, I spun my monitor so I now have 10:16
51:24 <TheDude> it still ain't good
51:56 <Ysjoelfir> I have it rotated as well. its.. ok. good for chats and datasheets
52:03 <TheDude> yeah
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52:47 <Ysjoelfir> so... that would make my setup... 41:16?
52:49 <TheDude> but it's amazing how the perception of the size of a monitor changes when you spin it 90°
52:55 <Ampera> My monitors are a delightful mishmash of nonsense
53:00 <TheDude> 16:10 seems like a decent height
53:13 <TheDude> spin that and it becomes absurdly narrow
53:25 <TheDude> spinning a 16:9 monitor is just plain shite
53:27 <Ampera> I have a 1440x900, 1920x1080, 1280x1024, and 3840x1080 monitor
53:41 <T3sl4> 16:9 is awful both ways, it's too wide and not nearly tall enough landscape, and not nearly wide enough and way too tall portrait
53:44 <Ampera> all different brands, all largely different screen tech, and different ages
54:09 <TheDude> T3sl4, and somehow that shit became the de facto standard
54:09 <TheDude> wtf
54:32 <Ysjoelfir> I realy miss the time when I had 2 21" trinitron CRTs
54:33 <T3sl4> don't have a clue why film went to fuckoff huge ratios, your eyes can't even see it
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54:44 <Ysjoelfir> though I dohn't miss the power consumption and the needed space
54:59 <T3sl4> maybe they figure they have a theater of so and so size, so why not cover the whole *gestures thataway* with imagery instead of just the box
55:17 <coppice> T3sl4: I think modern film formats were defined by tank drivers
55:58 <Ysjoelfir> I always wonered if there is a market for a 4:3 big size flatscreen monitor. like a 30" or whatever. I would very much appreciate that.
56:03 <Susceptibility> coppice :D :D
56:06 <Ampera> I love my 32:9 monitor, it's a great aspect ratio
56:06 <T3sl4> coppice: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GD0L46y3IqI
57:00 <T3sl4> arch: https://i.imgur.com/9nGCF6O.jpg
57:08 <T3sl4> you left last night just as i made that
57:09 <T3sl4> ffs
58:00 <TheDude> why didn't you give arch a nice logo?
58:20 <T3sl4> you're right, i should've used comic sans
58:20 <TheDude> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a5/Archlinux-icon-crystal-64.svg/1024px-Archlinux-icon-crystal-64.svg.png
58:38 <TheDude> this is what he looks like, the triangular cunt
58:55 <T3sl4> nah, thats his smarter cousin
59:37 <arch> LOL exactly T3sl4
59:44 <TheDude> anyhow
59:58 <TheDude> today I had a conference scheduled with my boss
00:07 <T3sl4> kick his ass
00:16 <TheDude> the boss that I interact with once every two months, or less frequently
00:36 <TheDude> he bumped my salary up slightly
00:47 <arch> wooo
01:01 <TheDude> in the hopes that doing that is going to discourage me from looking for employment elsewhere
01:07 <TheDude> nah :D
01:23 <T3sl4> you have a counteroffer, right? :P
01:42 <TheDude> not yet
01:59 <TheDude> right now I'm still in the phase of skimming through the job advertisements
02:09 <TheDude> not applying for anything else yet
02:40 <TheDude> but I will start doing that in a couple of months
02:57 <arch> guys, this is 1000ft of awg 30 teflon spaghetti tubing (for routing magnet wire into over copperclad PCBs). $18 incl shipping for US: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Black-Teflon-Spaghetti-Tubing-100ft-roll-30-AWG/362564846399
03:06 <arch> it says 100ft, but it's not. it's 1000ft
03:19 <arch> i got mine today. works nicely.
03:35 <arch> you try buying the same shit off digikey, it'll cost you over $70
03:39 <TheDude> your spaghetti will never go unprotected again?
03:44 <arch> exactly
03:47 <TheDude> nice
04:36 <TheDude> so yeah, salary got bumped for like 7.5% today
04:43 <TheDude> and I'm not the least bit excited about it
04:53 <T3sl4> ah, well it's above inflation
05:01 <TheDude> lol nope
05:03 <T3sl4> unless it's the first bump in a few years
05:10 <arch> why the fuck not. that's a good deal. well, the tax man will take half of that, but still 3.75%. good money for buying anime figurines
05:32 <TheDude> the way he presented it was that he had to pull some strings to get it done
05:56 <TheDude> I've worked there as a student before getting properly employed full time
06:07 <TheDude> even though I worked there full time as a student already
06:13 <TheDude> and that was like 1.5 years ago
06:38 <TheDude> and the company policy is supposedly 2 years per increase
07:02 <T3sl4> so, it's a raise that's below "you're showing real progress since hiring", but above or near inflation
07:14 <T3sl4> so yeah, keep looking :)
07:18 <TheDude> it's worse, actually
07:41 <TheDude> I can elaborate if you are interested to hear a slightly longer version of the story
07:43 <T3sl4> has inflation been worse than average over there? idk
07:57 <TheDude> okay, so
07:58 <T3sl4> or more relevant, whatever cost indicators
08:16 <TheDude> we'll get to the inflation and whatnot later
08:48 <TheDude> I started working and I was given a 12% deficit bonus
08:53 <TheDude> it's uh
09:16 <TheDude> it was kind of like a bonus to try and get more engineers, as the job market was lacking those
09:38 <T3sl4> where does that come from, govt?
09:39 <TheDude> and that bonus was supposed to decrease by 3% per 2 years
09:58 <TheDude> I think it might have been subsidized by the govt, not exactly sure
10:23 <TheDude> anyhow, 3 months into my employment, they ditched that bonus
10:53 <TheDude> and they gave us a 10% stimulation bonus to try and offset that deficit bonus disappearing
11:04 <TheDude> so then corona comes
11:13 <Ampera> how are you doing anyways, TheDude
11:38 <TheDude> we go on a 1.5 month lockdown
11:54 <T3sl4> wfh or completely out?
11:58 <Ampera> We've yet to have a true lockdown
11:59 <TheDude> after that, I start working again, get my first paycheck from after starting the work again and poof, that bonus is gone
12:10 <TheDude> T3sl4, completely out
12:13 <Ampera> lockdown as in you are not allowed to leave your house for any reason
12:26 <TheDude> but it was subsidized from the govt, we got a large part of the salary regardless
12:35 <T3sl4> Ampera, it's slovenia, not china
12:38 <TheDude> yeah, it was a proper lockdown
12:39 <Ampera> the worst we've had is a stay at home order, and a weakly enforced anti-travel mandate
12:42 <T3sl4> slovenia IIRC?
12:45 <Ampera> T3sl4, that's the rule in Germany
12:50 <TheDude> yes, Slovenia
12:56 <Ampera> you're not allowed to leave your house without exception documents you have to apply for
13:02 <Ampera> Ysjoelfir, perhaps can back me up on that
13:13 <TheDude> I honestly don't remember right now
13:32 <TheDude> but I didn't go outside much other than going to the shops to get food
13:39 <TheDude> okay, back to my story
13:56 <TheDude> the stimulation 10% disappeared
14:15 <TheDude> and after that the company decided that they're reducing our hours to 36 per week
14:34 <TheDude> so we went to a proportionally lower, 90% salary
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14:59 <Ysjoelfir> well, kind of. we had that in some cities, but its watered down now again, but merkel wants to enforce a "hard" lockdown since its basically always like "hey, we (= germany and his 16 regions) decided together that we want to do this and that." 1 hour later: at least 12 of the 16 minsiters decide that they don't give a fuck and tell the people, that they don't have to comply.
15:10 <TheDude> so I effectively went to 80% of what I started with
15:44 <TheDude> and well, the salary has increased since then
15:58 <TheDude> but I still haven't gotten back to the starting salary
16:24 <TheDude> and I've taken on loads of responsibility and whatnot in the meantime
16:58 <TheDude> and the salary wasn't too good to start with
17:26 <TheDude> but I accepted that, because they funded my college years
17:40 <Ampera> Ysjoelfir, that's what I heard as well
17:43 <TheDude> basically you sign a contract with the company before you're done in school
17:51 <TheDude> they pay you something per month to help you get by
17:59 <Ampera> where it's not so much that the government there isn't making good decisions, more that it isn't making any decisions at all
18:07 <TheDude> and in return you take a position with the company after you graduate
18:30 <TheDude> and work for them for the same number of years you've received the funding from them
18:33 <Ysjoelfir> yep
18:33 <coppice> Ampera: no decision is frequently the best decision a government can make
19:01 <Ampera> coppice, it's more that they're scatterbrained than apathetic
19:03 <TheDude> so if I terminate the employment contract prematurely, I have to pay them back some
19:16 <TheDude> and right now that would be around 25k€
19:29 <TheDude> not exactly a massive sum, but a considerable one nevertheless
19:48 <TheDude> so they have that hold over me, kinda
21:04 <TheDude> but right now, my first priority is to get a project through to production, because it's going to be a kickass reference for my future job searches
21:23 <T3sl4> indeed
21:34 <TheDude> and if everything goes right, we're looking at september, but more than likely it's going to get moved some
22:03 <TheDude> but by the end of this year, they either bump my salary up considerably, or I'm walking
22:35 * electrohead waves at TheDude
22:39 <TheDude> \o
23:08 <TheDude> okay, so this pretty much sums up my current situation
23:21 <TheDude> thanks for your patience, if you managed to read through all of my monologue :D
25:06 * T3sl4 hugs TheDude
31:42 <TheDude> <3
32:18 <T3sl4> so as long as you're around, electrohead can refill your beer levels :D
32:35 <electrohead> :D
32:40 <electrohead> I'm not working today, though
32:43 <electrohead> :p
33:14 <TheDude> speaking of which, I might go fix myself something to eat and crack open a beer
33:35 <TheDude> I can afford one, now that my salary got bumped up
33:48 <TheDude> lol
36:01 <electrohead> lol
36:11 * electrohead is still looking for a job
36:16 <electrohead> err, a better one
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41:11 <TheDude> electrohead, we're gonna get them, mate
41:24 <TheDude> I believe in us!
41:28 <electrohead> well, I damn hope so
41:41 <electrohead> I'm self taught with everything, and everyone wants to see paperwork
41:43 <electrohead> :/
41:46 * electrohead kicks random things
42:15 <TheDude> surely you have some projects under your belt that you can show off?
45:27 <electrohead> I do
45:36 <electrohead> I have my website on my resume
45:39 <electrohead> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
48:12 <T3sl4> no one gets fired for hiring an employee with papers
49:17 <T3sl4> mind, i've never been once asked to show my degrees
49:36 <T3sl4> you could probably lie and get away with it
49:44 <electrohead> I don't like doing that
49:47 <coppice> what if they are institutional discharge papers?
50:01 <T3sl4> can't say i would recommend it if you aren't used to lying in the first place :P
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02:37 <hsn> Hey T3sl4 i got one of these (hsns questions) just for my curiosity
02:44 <T3sl4> ?
03:04 <T3sl4> i got one of those hsn responses just for my amusement :P
03:08 <hsn> Did u ever see a bjt hard saturation in such vce gets lower than .. say 20mV
03:30 <T3sl4> havent looked at it closely enough to tell
03:43 <T3sl4> low-Vce(sat) types, and inverted operation, can get lower
04:03 <hsn> Inverted operation ?
05:06 <T3sl4> swap C and E
10:56 <hsn> With vbe max 5-6v ?
11:04 <hsn> -5
11:32 <T3sl4> Veb
11:35 <T3sl4> ye
12:26 <hsn> Thats legal ?
12:45 <hsn> Inverted operation?
12:49 <hsn> Never saw it
13:46 <T3sl4> hFE usually low as shit
13:50 <Kuschelpony> common to mute audio circuits and shunt the "pop" on switch on
13:55 <T3sl4> ^
14:29 <T3sl4> used to be a trick in the coppice days before CMOS was common
14:44 <T3sl4> there were current steering and voltage switching DACs
15:03 <T3sl4> the voltage switching ones would use inverted operation for low mV's sat, good for like 12-16 bits or something
16:45 <Kuschelpony> ah nice to know, thats an area where i have barely any experience
17:13 <Ysjoelfir> do you have an appnote or general documentation about that? sounds very interesting.
17:49 <T3sl4> beats me. it's just rumor to me. maybe coppice has some old tree carcass databooks on his shelf
18:06 <hsn> T3sl4 so that hfe is shit because doping in collector (electrons) is less than emitter .. right?
18:30 <T3sl4> right
18:52 <T3sl4> tho low Vcesat types may be pretty good, i measured PBSS303NX at like 80 inverted
20:11 <T3sl4> but like 2N3904 is under 5
21:06 <Ysjoelfir> thats not much
21:39 <T3sl4> but it comes with a free frogurt!
21:46 <Ysjoelfir> woohoo!
22:00 <T3sl4> the frogurt is cursed.
22:05 <Ysjoelfir> oh damn
22:13 <hsn> That pbss303nx has 30mV max vce at 0.5A ic .. ib 50mA
23:05 <hsn> Free frozen yougurt?
23:36 <T3sl4> sat is symmetrical, it makes sense that ihfe should be good to get low sat
23:41 <T3sl4> read up on gummel poon model
25:59 <Ysjoelfir> as a sidenote: THIS is very nice imho https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZLg3XWiIRo
26:37 <Ysjoelfir> first track starts at 2:10
27:00 <Ysjoelfir> well, 2:27
27:03 <hsn> Tmrw is fasting
27:19 <T3sl4> neat
27:31 <T3sl4> hsn: don't have a cow man
27:36 <T3sl4> seriously, don't, it's illegal
27:40 <Ysjoelfir> that means no food. sounds scary
28:01 <hsn> Ysjoelfir: that music is good
28:15 <hsn> Cow man?
28:35 <T3sl4> yeah, having a cowman would be cannibalism which is illegal
31:46 <hsn> Im truly not linking/understanding the joke xD
32:31 <hsn> How is cowman .. human eater ?
34:12 <T3sl4> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjHsYtwMHJY
48:14 <steve30> hehe, I just finished watching the techmoan video where he showed This is Synthwave 2
01:49 <Ysjoelfir> steve30, I allow you three guesses where I got to know of This is Synthwave 2 :D
04:17 <steve30> EEVBlog?
04:26 <Ysjoelfir> nope
04:46 <steve30> hmm
04:47 <Ampera> the plot thickens: https://www.zdnet.com/article/the-fsf-doubles-down-on-restoring-rms-after-his-non-apology-apology/#ftag=RSSbaffb68
04:53 <steve30> Techmoan?
05:00 <Ysjoelfir> YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!
05:05 <Ysjoelfir> \o/
05:18 <Ampera> T3sl4, is cannibalism illegal in the US?
05:29 <Ampera> I thought I've heard that cannibalism isn't explicitly illegal in the US
10:35 <steve30> Ampera, are you planning to eat someone?
11:26 <Ampera> not recently
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42:33 <rc-demonetized> welloh
44:03 <Ysjoelfir> hi you poor rc
45:03 <rc-demonetized> sad days, damn you pantera
50:31 <Ysjoelfir> who is that>
50:41 <Ysjoelfir> also: new recipe! https://www.eevblog.com/forum/cooking/recipe-beans-and-cream-chicken-on-rice/msg3547909/#msg3547909
53:04 <rc-demonetized> some old people from texas
53:30 <rc-demonetized> ok, so now i have to go find a box, and a kebab
55:40 <Ysjoelfir> I know a good kebab shop
57:05 <rc-demonetized> i do too, but I am not going to køln today
00:31 <hsn> Ysjoelfir: if its iraqi kabab ... Then its good
04:01 <rc-demonetized> i dont think they import much from iraq these days
05:23 <electrohead> Ysjoelfir: you have a new comment on that post :p
07:17 <Ysjoelfir> I replied to that :P
07:55 <rc-demonetized> at least someone gets a few views...
08:43 <Ysjoelfir> I have already opened the two new videos of my favorite youtube star to watch them after I finished this documentary, rc-demonetized :P
08:47 <rc-demonetized> i noticed my video calles darude sandstorm remix has 10 times the views of the rest of them
08:57 <Ysjoelfir> lol
10:51 <rc-demonetized> and i think it will be 3, when they are done removing the audio
11:36 <Ysjoelfir> xD did you have the radio switched on while driving?
12:08 <electrohead> heh, nine people like the picture I posted of my cat :P
12:22 <electrohead> https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/post-a-picture-of-a-cat!/msg3418502/#msg3418502
12:25 <rc-demonetized> yup
13:01 <Ysjoelfir> I just LOVE that chair, mr. head! and the cat is very photogenic indeed :P
13:06 <Ysjoelfir> rc-demonetized: shame on you!
13:57 <electrohead> why thank you, mr. fir
14:00 <electrohead> :p
19:56 <hsn> Ysjoelfir, u are active on the cooking foroum :P
20:15 <Ysjoelfir> oh, I am sorry, I will stop doing that than
21:15 * steve30 pets electrohead's cat
23:37 <rc-demonetized> i want to rub his cat in my eyes. maybe i can find out if i have an allergy or not
24:26 <rc-demonetized> oh, and kebab is harvested, it looks ok so far
24:51 <rc-demonetized> much jalapeno today
25:03 <Ysjoelfir> Jalapeno is nice
25:45 <rc-demonetized> as nong as it is not stupid-halcyon spicy, yes
26:06 <Ysjoelfir> hehehe
26:51 <rc-demonetized> i had a glass of them, that i had to just give up on
28:43 * electrohead offers habanero peppers
28:47 <electrohead> <3
28:55 <rc-demonetized> these are nice. slightly numbing, but with taste. not just moderate pain and nothing else
29:09 <Ysjoelfir> I agree.
29:25 <Ysjoelfir> I tried some.... I dunno, small, supposedly very hot ones recently
29:47 <Ysjoelfir> they were very hot, but I hated them for another reason: they didn't taste like much. just.... earthy and boring.
29:54 <Ysjoelfir> Habanero has this nice, fruity taste
32:07 <rc-demonetized> hmm, we did have some small red peppers of some kind growing in the window. they were very hot, tasted ok, like paprika, just more, and apparently they were slightly poisonous
34:28 <Ysjoelfir> that sounds enjoyable
35:02 <rc-demonetized> if you like sitting on the toylet
35:15 <Ysjoelfir> Thats always nice when you recently ate hot stuff
35:51 <rc-demonetized> hmm, you are right, i have to try that again
38:17 <rc-demonetized> tryinasetthenighton fiiiireee
39:11 <Ysjoelfir> xD
39:21 * Ampera sets a cantaloupe on fire
39:24 * Ampera sets it on the floor
39:26 * Ampera screams at it
40:15 <rc-demonetized> you have to show them, before they get too old
45:44 * T3sl4 demonizes rc-demonetized
45:58 <rc-demonetized> too late
47:57 <rc-demonetized> maybe time for some drunk elvis. I mean danzig
48:09 <Ampera> it's called gdansk now
48:31 <rc-demonetized> not glen
52:08 <rc-demonetized> i tried to have a drinking competition with a couple from gdansk, at moms 60th birthday. that was interesting
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55:41 <rc-demonetized> mom went to school there. it looks like a nice city, for being a city
56:23 <Ysjoelfir> Drinking competition... that sounds indeed interesting. Did you win?
58:00 <rc-demonetized> not really, they had to get on a plane to poland, and i had to go to work, so i guess we took a break until next time
58:48 <hsn> rc-demonetized, are u rust_collector drunk ?
59:24 <rc-demonetized> not yet
59:24 <Ysjoelfir> lol
08:24 <electrohead> so I got replying to the TEA thread; I mentioned even though I don't have too much test equipment, I do have my raspberry pi's and computers and such, and was asked to post pictures. would it be wise to post my website, you think?
08:31 <electrohead> s/you/anyone?
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12:27 <Ysjoelfir> Hmm... good question. I personally like your site, but I am always very careful showing to much of my "private" thoughts in the net. So.... hard decision. do you feel comfortable with the thought?
13:13 <electrohead> well, what private thoughts are you talking about?
13:36 <electrohead> the blog page I've linked to you in the past? that's hidden behind a slight crypto puzzle thinger
19:21 <Ysjoelfir> aaah, ok. Then its totally fine. :D
25:59 <electrohead> :D
36:27 <rc-demonetized> electrohead: do you think you have bad things on your site? if yes... why?
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43:13 <electrohead> https://hellnet.xyz
43:15 <electrohead> not at all
43:22 <electrohead> but, if you spot any, let me know :p
43:30 <Halcyon> Morning all
43:33 <Halcyon> *rubs eyes*
44:25 * electrohead closes Halcyon's eyes
44:28 <electrohead> go back to bed
44:30 <electrohead> lol
46:14 <Halcyon> *grumbles*
47:32 <rc-demonetized> MOrNInG Halcyon
48:45 <Halcyon> Howdy
49:29 <rc-demonetized> well helllo cowboy
49:49 <Ysjoelfir> hi Hulkion#
49:54 <Halcyon> Hey Ysjoelfir
52:43 <Halcyon> Your chicken rice thing looks nice Ysjoelfir
53:30 <Ysjoelfir> It is. ask mr. head
53:38 <electrohead> lol
53:51 <Halcyon> :P
53:57 <Halcyon> Stealing your leftovers
54:25 <rc-demonetized> ok, have fun.
54:35 <Ysjoelfir> enjoy, rc-demonetized
54:39 Quit: rc-demonetized ([email protected]) Quit: leaving
55:56 <T3sl4> well this is bizarre, my webcam isn't enumerating anymore ...through the hub only
56:15 <T3sl4> plugged into the PC itself, it looks fine
57:03 <Halcyon> What do you need a webcam for?
57:22 <T3sl4> just the microphone tbh
58:17 * T3sl4 beers electrohead with an allagash tripel
00:42 <coppice> Halcyon: to update his onlyfans page
00:49 <T3sl4> far as i can tell, the hub is powered, and it works with other things so??
01:15 <T3sl4> coppice: gotta show off my big ass fans
01:20 <Halcyon> Hehe
01:32 <coppice> T3sl4: have you used it with a hub before?
01:36 <T3sl4> yes
01:40 <Halcyon> Windows 10?
01:53 <T3sl4> it's been plugged in there for years, this is the first i've noticed it not working
01:54 <T3sl4> w7
01:56 <coppice> some hubs are funky with power negotiation
02:00 <Halcyon> Hm interesting
02:16 <Halcyon> I have issues like this at work but it's usually Windows 10 that's at fault
02:28 <Halcyon> Reboot normally fixes it
03:33 <Halcyon> Also I'm going to make these today: https://www.taste.com.au/recipes/chicken-salt-potato-balls-recipe/vj71f08d?r=quickeasy/mfQ7EL9o
03:35 <Halcyon> They look yummy
03:40 <T3sl4> i've replugged the hub twice, doubtful that a reboot would help but i can try
03:56 * T3sl4 licks Halcyon's salty balls
04:01 <Halcyon> Indeed
04:45 <T3sl4> mmm, panko with corn flakes
22:32 <steve30> hi
22:38 <Halcyon> Hey steve30
23:09 <hsn> Yes hi Halcyon and steve30
23:18 <hsn> Hope u good days
23:36 <Halcyon> Thank you hsn, you too
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26:53 * steve30 pounces onto Halcyon 
28:05 <Halcyon> :D
48:18 <T3sl4> oh and when i plug the cam into the PC directly, it says It Can Perform Faster! Click to See How!
48:44 <T3sl4> and it shows me a list of literally every single hub in my system that supports USB2+ which is all of them, including the device that is currently plugged into one
49:03 <T3sl4> so, i guess it's not enumerating as USB high speed, regardless of where it's plugged in?
49:05 <T3sl4> what the fuck is this even
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50:30 <steve30> Halcyon, I was going to postpone testing the firewire card in this machine till later due to my linux not working well with intel graphics, then it occured to me earlier that 'dvgrab' is a command line programme so it makes no difference whether X works or not :D
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53:47 <steve30> T3sl4, can we spy on you now? ;)
54:44 <T3sl4> if you can call it spying at 160x120
55:13 <Halcyon> It's like the coffee pot camera
55:17 <steve30> hehe
55:28 <T3sl4> think the original one was more than that even
55:39 <T3sl4> tho obv not 30fps
57:10 <steve30> I think I'll go back to bed.
57:21 <Halcyon> Hehe
59:03 <electrohead> steve30: what's the exact problem?
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03:40 <reg7805_> hi guys
03:47 <MrMobodies> Joke: the exact problem is caffeine and sleep.
03:50 <Halcyon> Morning
03:53 <MrMobodies> hello
04:20 <MrMobodies> Steve30 wants to go to bed but the coffee is keeping him awake
04:43 <MrMobodies> or did a misread something
04:49 <Halcyon> This is why you don't drink coffee at night :P
05:09 <MrMobodies> I drink decaffinated coffee and tea in the nights
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06:50 <electrohead> hey Reg7805
06:55 * electrohead hugs Halcyon
06:56 <Reg7805> Question > I have materials assignment i need to know heat resistance spread rate on a material, does anybody know the name of the property, im not looking for melting point.
07:37 <Reg7805> this is the website i am using > http://matweb.com/search/DataSheet.aspx?MatGUID=08fb0f47ef7e454fbf7092517b2264b2&ckck=1
08:15 <Reg7805> hey electrohead
09:11 <MrMobodies> anything to do with like heatsinks?
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09:49 <Reg7805> no this unrealted to electronics, this is for the body of electric kettle
10:07 <MrMobodies> how much heat a kettle my dissipate
10:19 <MrMobodies> through the whole thing
10:47 <Reg7805> i dont know, that is my question
11:11 <T3sl4> Reg7805: uh, thermal conductivity and specific heat capacity?
11:40 <MrMobodies> well I found this article which is I why wonder about heatsinks which isn't case
11:41 <MrMobodies> https://www.qats.com/cms/2019/05/01/thermal-performance-of-heat-sinks-with-heat-pipes-or-vapor-chambers-for-servers/
11:43 <Reg7805> yes
11:53 <MrMobodies> aah
12:10 <T3sl4> it's not quite a rate, because heat is diffusive. you need to solve the fourier heat equation for your boundary conditions
12:22 <T3sl4> a simulation is pretty easy, tho i don't know what tools offhand to use
13:00 <Reg7805> oo crap i just need bloody value, because im not that advanced
13:40 <Reg7805> i couldnt realy found value on the net
13:50 <T3sl4> well, presumably your assignment provided materials or terms that you are looking for
13:54 <T3sl4> i have no clue what you actually need
15:27 <Reg7805> not really, they have not provided me with values, i know my kettle body needs withstand tempatures upto 150C
15:54 <Reg7805> but i need to know how hot the body of the kettle can get hot
16:47 <T3sl4> that doesn't sound like the property you asked about
16:51 <T3sl4> what are you really doing?
17:55 <arch> put some lava in your kettle for a stress test
18:02 <Reg7805> T3sl4, the goal is to know how hot can the body of the kettle can get with boiling water inside, sorry about the confusion
18:15 * arch craps in Reg7805's kettle
18:35 <T3sl4> oh, so convection in air
18:45 <T3sl4> do we assume the kettle outside is uniform 100C then?
19:08 <MrMobodies> is the kettle a single or double wall?
19:59 <MrMobodies> or is the measurement just about the inner wall
20:40 <MrMobodies> I know some kettles like mine has a metal and plastic layer
22:42 <MrMobodies> it sounds to me like it is about how much heat the walls can store
23:09 <Reg7805> the assignment requires me to know how hot does the Polyprolene body of the kettle when there is 100C water inside
23:57 <MrMobodies> one of these plastic kettles https://electrickettlesguide.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/plastic-kettle.jpg
24:15 <Reg7805> yes MrMobodies
24:22 <MrMobodies> thermal capatience?
24:48 <T3sl4> polypropylene? that stuff isn't rated for heat, it doesn't sound very practical
24:58 <T3sl4> mind, if it's a homework problem rather than a pracitcal one, who knows
25:35 <Halcyon> steve30: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FoXDvkfmNWQ
25:35 <Halcyon> ?
26:14 <Reg7805> Yes thermal capacitance, just looked up the word
26:31 <Reg7805> https://www.google.com/search?q=thermal+capacitance&rlz=1C1GCEA_enGB938GB938&sxsrf=ALeKk01wZO0ePyGT3pwgDo42LxSNgGpudg:1618269882811&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiju4-M7fnvAhX0g_0HHdVDATYQ_AUoAXoECAEQAw&biw=1920&bih=937#imgrc=SI0sdHBk6R_8gM
27:13 <MrMobodies> https://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/showthread.php?t=1252134
27:25 <MrMobodies> Now my kettle took 50.48 seconds at 3000W (according to the sticker, though this seems quite high), giving a total output of 151440J.
27:34 <MrMobodies> but then there is the plastic
28:00 <MrMobodies> aaah, Thunderf00t does things like this
28:01 <MrMobodies> in his lab
28:24 <MrMobodies> he did this thing about why kettles makes sound before it boils
28:40 <MrMobodies> well when the water is being heated with the air bubbles
29:29 <Reg7805> well thanks for the help everybody
30:35 <Reg7805> my assignment is full theory, quite confusing subject this materials in engineering
31:08 <Reg7805> I have do this subject when studing for EE
31:35 <MrMobodies> I think it looks like you need to get some specification on how much that plastic stores heat in there
31:38 <arch> engineering schmengineering...just put ur finger in your mouth, then on the kettle. if it hisses and burns your hand, it's too hot; else, it's fine
31:55 <rust_collector> uhm, as long as there is water in it, it should not go much past 100c anyway, should it?
31:56 <MrMobodies> and maybe some measuring tools such
32:15 <arch> rust_collector, if it's under pressure, temp will be above 100C
32:31 <rust_collector> well, not very much
32:32 <MrMobodies> this is the thing about theory, nothing to relate praticality too
32:47 <MrMobodies> I mean theory on it's own
33:15 <arch> what do you mean not by much? steam turbines in nuclear plants are above i think 600C
33:15 <MrMobodies> I am not sure if it is any help but Thunderf00t does thing slike this
33:19 <MrMobodies> thermal dynamics https://www.youtube.com/c/Thunderf00t/search?query=kettle
33:46 <rust_collector> arch, I do not think they use kettles there, even if you could argue that, I guess
34:11 <arch> ahh yes thunderfoot. i used to be subbed to him. but then he went all crazy as fuck on the feminist series and whatnot
34:19 <rust_collector> I am pretty sure they are not in pp housings anyway
34:48 <MrMobodies> there is British Thermal Units
35:11 <MrMobodies> to assist with the water heating the walls
35:21 <MrMobodies> I am not sure if that helps
36:34 <Reg7805> this was the link given by teacher for the body of the kettle (polypropylene material), but i coulnt find what i was looking for http://matweb.com/search/DataSheet.aspx?MatGUID=08fb0f47ef7e454fbf7092517b2264b2&ckck=1
38:18 <MrMobodies> Cookie Error
38:18 <MrMobodies> You do not seem to have cookies enabled.
38:18 <MrMobodies> MatWeb Requires cookies to be enabled.
38:35 <arch> no cookies, no life
38:49 <Reg7805> i have got the thermal expansion value (CTE) but no thermal capacitance of the material
38:52 <MrMobodies> Find out the total of the water in energy against the amount of plastic,
39:01 <MrMobodies> when heated
39:42 <MrMobodies> so this is not a kettle you have
39:59 <MrMobodies> and there is no, length and width
40:20 <Reg7805> no this is full material theory
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41:00 <Reg7805> sorry about the confusion, i just dint know how to ask the question
44:49 <Reg7805> The assignment is about material theory and you apply the values found for kettle body and talk about if the material is suitable for the application
46:16 <T3sl4> well, thermal capacitance / heat capacity doesn't make any sense, it has to work continuously and the question wasn't, how much heat is required to reach some temperature
47:27 <T3sl4> heat dissipation is a matter of area, and how heat is transferred out of that area
48:18 <T3sl4> which involves thermal conductivity, depending on the thickness of material to that area
48:44 <arch> naruhodo
48:58 <MrMobodies> and the amount of water?
49:01 <T3sl4> if you can model that thickness as a simple prism with parallel heat flow, then the temp drop is easily solved for without solving the general heat equations
49:19 <T3sl4> just like solving the voltage drop across a resistor, for some current flow through it
49:44 <T3sl4> heat dissipation, in turn, is usually a question of radiation, conduction (as above), or convection
50:02 <T3sl4> they don't usually mix them, unless to make a point when one or another might be relevant
50:17 <T3sl4> convection is in general a bastard, because navier stokes equations aren't generally solvable
50:36 <T3sl4> you'd usually use an approximation there, and there should be some figure given, or table to select from, to use for that
51:41 <T3sl4> in air, convection is generally dominant, though some radiation will be relevant at those temperatures
51:59 <T3sl4> radiation depends on emissivity of the substance, which will be good for something like polypropylene, and poor for something like chrome
52:06 <T3sl4> so, whatever the kettle is
52:27 * T3sl4 pokes arch with an active 2W resistor
52:40 * arch sizzles
53:51 <arch> sooo my sepic conv is working nicely, but im thinking about ways to reduce the heat dissipation of the inductor. if i reduce the ripply current by increasing frequency, that should work right? (but increase temps on the mosfet instead--which is fine--it's running very cool right now)
53:52 <MrMobodies> Interesting, a combination, radiative heat where the water heats the plastic and the top bit of the kettle where the plastic is heated by the air,
54:33 <MrMobodies> sorry convection for the top bit of the kettle
54:47 <arch> increasing freq should reduce the core loss from 40% ripple current. if i made it do 25% or 30% riple current instead
55:16 <MrMobodies> thanks T3s14 learn't something today
55:26 <T3sl4> well, MrMobodies in general it's always a combination of both, just a matter of how much. a very shiny metal might have 1% emissivity at these temps, but even at 100% emissivity the radiation might only amount to 5-10% of convection
55:37 <arch> dont forget to donate moniez to him
56:43 <MrMobodies> oh it will travel through the plastic at the top faster than the convection can heatup
56:55 <MrMobodies> *oops top the top
57:20 <Reg7805> well tank you verry much everybody, i did learn some stuff and there is a lot of stuff to consider about kettle, not advanced in the course just the basics
57:24 <MrMobodies> the water transferring the heat through the walls as well as the bottom
57:52 <MrMobodies> if only they'd delivery theory with the pratical it would be so much nicer
58:02 <MrMobodies> at the same time I mean
58:29 <Reg7805> yes that would be nice, but covid
58:34 <MrMobodies> oh that
59:31 <Reg7805> college not open, net learning, sucks
00:36 <MrMobodies> it sound slike Thundef00ts domain to do with thermal dynamics
00:53 <MrMobodies> https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-fb361595ecd9ff47648b1ab47dc45124
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02:19 <Reg7805> I will stick to electronics :)
02:39 <MrMobodies> I found this: https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/233875/does-shaking-a-kettle-whilst-boiling-increase-the-temperature-faster-than-a-stat
03:19 <MrMobodies> when the water is agitated in the kettle
03:33 <T3sl4> you can save a few seconds doing that, yeah
04:01 <T3sl4> mind that shaking it will increase airflow around it too, probably including water vapor out the top
04:10 <Reg7805> yea, everbody start putting motors on kettles
04:17 <T3sl4> water vapor is where most of the heat goes
04:22 <T3sl4> probably
04:35 <MrMobodies> aah something else to consider
04:55 <rust_collector> I suggest researching if gluing a battery of dildos to a kettle will make it heat up faster...
05:09 <electrohead> o.O
05:11 <electrohead> lol
05:15 <Reg7805> lol
05:37 <T3sl4> rust_collector: the warmth from their batteries and motors might contribute
05:57 <rust_collector> and they keep the heat in, a bit
06:04 <T3sl4> aye
06:56 <Reg7805> probably very inefficient lol, think amount of power, need solar
08:08 <rust_collector> they would probably sell well....
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46:07 * electrohead wonders around
46:15 <Halcyon> :P
46:22 <Halcyon> Can you at least put some pants on?
47:25 <electrohead> they are already on :p
47:34 <Halcyon> *smirk*
47:49 <rust_collector> now, take them off!
47:56 * electrohead takes them off
48:01 <Halcyon> Hehe
48:10 <Halcyon> You guyyyys
48:10 <rust_collector> *snarfl*
49:02 <rust_collector> yes mr sire
49:26 <rust_collector> he is pretty quick...
49:29 <electrohead> lol
05:48 <T3sl4> pants, what are those?
05:56 <T3sl4> oh wait, i seem to have something on my legs. i just came in from a walk
05:59 <T3sl4> let me rectify that
06:35 <rust_collector> good thing you hoarded all the toilet paper last year
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10:12 <electrohead> shh, he's back
10:22 <rust_collector> WHOA!
10:26 <rust_collector> oops
11:35 <AlfBaz> wot... me?
11:43 <rust_collector> no no
11:47 <rust_collector> someone else
11:59 <rust_collector> maybe
13:02 <AlfBaz> LOL I'll be quiet anyway, building my lab today. Shit load of timber framing to put up in the shed
13:30 <rust_collector> sounds fun
14:48 Quit: Reg7805 ([email protected]) Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)
15:06 <AlfBaz> It is... heaps. The complexities of building a pcb doesn't escape most of us but chopping up a bit of wood and nailing it to another bit of wood is odly satisfying
15:30 <rust_collector> yep, and you see something happening
16:02 <rust_collector> suddenly you have 3 pieces of wooden boards nailed to your bench
16:36 <AlfBaz> I know right? you gotta watch your nail lengths 8)
17:37 <electrohead> or just take the dremel to the nail that's sticking out? lol :p
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18:09 <rust_collector> just dremel thru the bottom of the bench? yeah, that would work
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46:18 <AlfBaz> I got a 4" and 9" angle grinder, i'll just cut the bench in half :p
47:20 <electrohead> lol
48:58 <electrohead> https://i.imgur.com/YduY29M.gifv
49:05 <electrohead> now that's fucking cool
50:34 <rust_collector> I did run a liebherr loader, and a dozer, that was remote controlled. i guess they thought it was fun
51:47 <AlfBaz> man i want one!
54:12 <AlfBaz> we have machines of that ilk at work. Originally ther were all mechanical the only electrics was for lights. Easy to fix just call the fitter
54:39 <AlfBaz> now they have all electronic sensors, to fix you need a laptop ffs
55:49 <rust_collector> I do remember we had a komatsu that only ran at half speed, because someone tried washing it, and it was never the same again
57:13 <AlfBaz> IP00
58:26 <AlfBaz> the third digit is operator dependant :P
59:58 <rust_collector> in some ways, I am glad I quit that work when I did. Now, when I get into a machine, and turn it on... the damn thing starts to talk to me
00:55 <rust_collector> I think that was a little kato. it was a pretty nice little machine
02:24 <AlfBaz> we had a kato at one site, It was mostly a fork lift but could do other things
03:41 <AlfBaz> Love operating heavy machinery but as a leco they'd rather we concentrate on the mundane
04:09 <rust_collector> this was a (I think) 8 ton little excavator. something around there. other than it taking ages to start, it was a nice machine to run
04:37 <AlfBaz> air or electric start
04:46 <AlfBaz> ?
05:08 <rust_collector> normal electric, it just had to get done talking, and running thru its self test stuff first
05:58 <rust_collector> the only air started things I have worked with was small locomotives, and a mack truck, lol
06:44 <AlfBaz> yeah they're great when they run out of air
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11:06 <rust_collector> the locomotive was actually ok, as long as it was not winter, because you had to slide the hood forward, to get to the pump, and that was hard work if it had a ton of snow on it. but it did not take as much pumping as I would have thought. But that one did push air into the cylinder, and not a little turbine-ish starter, so I guess it just did not need that much
11:55 <rust_collector> if it just got that huge flywheel moving, it would start
38:31 * Halcyon cuddles electrohead 
39:31 <Halcyon> That is pretty cool electrohead
39:52 <rust_collector> he has no hair
40:00 <Halcyon> Who?
40:09 <rust_collector> electrohead
40:14 <Halcyon> He has a little
40:22 <Halcyon> Mostly on his bollocks
40:41 <rust_collector> but his electrohead stays cool.
40:54 <rust_collector> Ok, I will go to bed now.... lalalalalaa
41:12 <Halcyon> Hehe goodnight rust_collector
42:13 <rust_collector> tomorrow, electrohead has to read about distributed buffer gate turn-off thyristors so he should go to bed too
42:41 <rust_collector> have a good...time mr Halcyon
42:48 <Halcyon> Thanks
43:21 * T3sl4 glances away from Halcyon jealousluy
43:35 <Halcyon> :P
43:49 * Halcyon offers snacks to T3sl4 
56:33 * T3sl4 nibbles on Halcyon
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56:54 <AlfBaz> "Measure twice cut once" my arse. I still manage to fuck it up
57:07 <Halcyon> Hehe maybe you should double up on the measurements :P
57:11 <Halcyon> Is this for your bench?
57:29 <AlfBaz> No framimng for my new lab
57:33 <Halcyon> Ah
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59:41 <AlfBaz> I'm blaming the dog. Every time I get down to measure something he comes up and licks me. Mayber he's trying to warn me :P
00:21 <Halcyon> Awwww
00:26 <Halcyon> What kind of dog do you have?
01:01 <AlfBaz> I'll have to post a picture of him over on the dog thread in the forum
01:29 <AlfBaz> the pet shop said he was a jug. jack russel pug
01:42 <Halcyon> Naww :)
01:46 <Halcyon> He's helping you
02:27 <AlfBaz> I love it when I do something and he tilts his head trying to understand
02:42 <Halcyon> The listening face
02:53 <AlfBaz> That's the one
20:57 * T3sl4 pets AlfBaz
22:56 * AlfBaz slaps AlfBaz around a bit with a large trout
23:20 <AlfBaz> Clearly I dont know how this shit works
23:37 <AlfBaz> I wanted to pant
24:07 <T3sl4> well /slap isn't gonna do it
24:39 <AlfBaz> LOL, didn't even know you could do it from there
24:55 * Halcyon licks T3sl4 
25:21 <T3sl4> aw hi Halcyon
27:25 <Halcyon> I'm having a small tipple
28:17 <T3sl4> but just the tipple
28:33 <Halcyon> ;)
28:39 <Halcyon> Maybe the whole thing later
28:52 <Halcyon> I need to fondle my salty balls first
29:42 <T3sl4> https://www.reddit.com/r/blursedimages/comments/mpggi8/blursed_wagging/
29:58 <Halcyon> Awww cutie
30:28 <AlfBaz> LOL
33:09 <Halcyon> Heheh https://www.reddit.com/r/blursedimages/comments/mm69r7/blursed_pool/
33:13 <Halcyon> That's pretty clever
34:35 <T3sl4> :)
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35:47 <Halcyon> Speaking of hot stuff
36:04 <T3sl4> https://www.reddit.com/r/theyknew/comments/mpg2sr/hmmmso_fresh/
36:08 <T3sl4> that
38:04 * Ampera hugs Halcyon
38:11 <Halcyon> Hey Ampera :)
38:33 <Ampera> how are you Halcyon
38:40 <Halcyon> I'm OK, how are you?
39:04 <Ampera> just woke up
39:22 <Ampera> currently laying in bed
39:27 * T3sl4 glomps Ampera
39:27 <Halcyon> :)
39:38 <Ampera> in the last 30 minutes of sleep I started to dream about C
39:43 <Ampera> and I'm not sure how to take that
39:47 <Halcyon> C ?
39:54 <Halcyon> Programming?
39:56 <Halcyon> Or cock
39:58 <Halcyon> ?
40:03 <Ampera> I remember exactly what I dreamed about. It was how I could do an XML deserializer without reflection
40:32 <Ampera> and I thought about how to store it, and thought about a tag struct that could contain an array of itself
41:49 <Ampera> one thing I'm noticing about C, now that I'n using it more, is how many weird quirks exist, and how many of them are changed by gcc
42:02 <Halcyon> Yes
42:15 <Ampera> like typeof() and being able to cast to a struct
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42:25 <Halcyon> Don't you just hate that?
42:26 <Ampera> not being able to cast to a struct is quite bizzare to me actually
42:45 <Ampera> Halcyon, did the sparkies fix your aircon
42:46 <T3sl4> or cocaine
42:56 Quit: Kuschelpony ([email protected]) Connection closed
42:57 <Halcyon> Not yet
43:42 <Ampera> T3sl4, in multi-phase systems, is there typically any requirement that power draw be equal among the phases?
43:51 <Ampera> I don't imagine there would be
43:56 <T3sl4> yes and no
43:59 <Ampera> good answer
44:17 <Halcyon> In my case, no, phases can be imbalanced, but they tend not to load a phase up too much either
44:44 <Halcyon> Some of the houses on my street only have single phase running to them, so I don't know how they balance that out?
44:47 <T3sl4> it should work just fine, it's just that you lose 70% of your capacity doing that, and probably not for residential customers but industrial ones may get penalized for imbalance
45:15 <T3sl4> our neighborhoods are entirely single phase, evidently the loads balance out alright over the district
45:16 <Ampera> well I'm sort of thinking, power at generation in a grid is usually 3 phase, but for consumer usage in the US it's almost always 1 phase
45:54 <Halcyon> Single phase was common in older homes here, but now they usually just run three phases to the meter board
46:16 <Ampera> although, when they go from 3 phase to single phase, do they simply juse use one phase, or do they actually convert the other two phases to single phase
46:33 <Halcyon> They just connect a single phase at the street
46:58 <T3sl4> also Ampera: you may find unions useful. you can cast to a union and use multiple member types on the same object
47:55 <Ampera> T3sl4, I need to understand those better. I had for whatever reason read somewhere that only one member of a union can be used at once or something weird like that
48:25 <Ampera> the way you're talking, it sounds just like a single variable with a bunch of different casts accessed like a struct
48:52 <T3sl4> even if you have 3ph on the pole directly outside (say for a neighboring commercial site), they won't let you have it, or at least will quote something ridiculous. go figure
49:10 <Halcyon> That's silly
49:30 <T3sl4> neighborhoods, rural lines, etc are single phase distribution, i.e. two or even one wire at 4800V or whatever, with transformers at each house or group of a few
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50:05 <T3sl4> Ampera: yeah, the same thing aliases to different types instantly, it's pretty nice when you need it
50:27 <Ampera> I'm just not sure when I would. I'll read on it.
51:46 <Ampera> wait, can I cast a void pointer to a struct pointer (typically)
51:57 <Ampera> I think I may have confused myself for some reason
52:13 <T3sl4> can have a union my_u { char[4] c; uint32_t i; float f}; and access a union my_u obj; as obj.c[0..4], obj.i or obj.f
52:28 <T3sl4> you can cast anything to anything, if you want to try hard enough
52:59 <Ampera> I'm fairly sure intellisense bitched at me earlier when I tried to cast something to a struct
53:15 <Ampera> you're gonna make me get out of bed and check
53:20 <T3sl4> i don't think it's something you should need very often, but it's handy for doing byte twiddling tricks without just stripping everything down to char arrays
53:20 <Ampera> >:(
53:22 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: Q: Is there are browser plugin that allows you to mass select check boxes by automatically moving the cursor up/down a fixed number of pixels X times and then clicking for Y times?
53:29 * T3sl4 gccs all over Ampera's phone
53:38 <Ampera> not using my phone
53:42 <Ampera> I'm on my laptop
54:36 <Ampera> The reason I need it is because I am storing a generic widget type I can add to containers. Since I can have a variety of widgets, my widget struct contains a void* object and enum determining what type it is
55:11 <Ampera> so I can just switch through the enum and then cast the object to the right struct for that widget when I need to
55:21 Quit: pa1983 ([email protected]) Connection closed
56:03 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: There desperately needs to be Muon Wobble memes.
02:03 <T3sl4> ah yes, enslaved memory
02:46 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Retweet: LIFE CHANGING :Which was quoting: Vi Watch: @eevblog https://t.co/hkVxMormAR
03:11 <Ampera> I've never heard that term before
04:02 <Ampera> not even a term, it's a joke off reddit
04:16 * Ampera throws a hard boiled egg at T3sl4 in retribution
04:43 <T3sl4> the surreal mannequin face meme thing
05:11 <Ampera> meme man
05:21 <T3sl4> https://i.imgur.com/0r5TqDkh.jpg
06:48 <Ampera> https://youtu.be/PL9iMPx9CpQ?t=20
08:43 <Ampera> also https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC4zmCQCQBQf5iGTldyxzTOg
08:50 <Ampera> is the coolest channel I found a day or so ago
10:47 <T3sl4> MRW https://i.imgur.com/T4frLEOh.jpg
24:38 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: NO DAMN IT! I meant 18n50 https://t.co/QVFCJy2teG
46:44 <hsn> hey guys, if a npn bjt has vce(sat) of 0.2v .. does that mean i can use its junction (base-collector) as diode .. with 0.5v instead of 0.7v ?
15:55 <Halcyon> Naww squirrel
16:02 <Halcyon> I've been getting these on my recommendations lift
16:04 <Halcyon> list
18:52 * Ampera hugs Halcyon 
18:56 <Halcyon> :)
20:12 <Ampera> how are you doing Halcyon
20:17 <Ampera> did the sparkies fix your aircon yet?
20:22 <Halcyon> Nope
26:05 <Ampera> I guess they're just full of hot air then.
27:20 <Halcyon> There is always tomorrow I support
27:21 <Halcyon> suppose
34:01 <K> hello parsnips
14:49 Quit: m0drobert ([email protected]) Quit: so long
15:02 <Ysjoelfir> mornings
15:59 <hsn> morning K and Ysjoelfir and Ampera and Halcyon
16:43 <Ysjoelfir> morning L and aa and Voltera and Hulkion
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27:51 <hsn> aa ?
28:43 <hsn> Ysjoelfir, i see what u did with L,Voltera,hulkion .. but not aa ..
29:02 <Ysjoelfir> Hasan
29:12 <Ysjoelfir> - hsn
29:14 <Ysjoelfir> = ?
29:30 <hsn> thin hsn
29:33 <Ysjoelfir> lol
29:34 <hsn> :D
30:00 <hsn> u cant just vanish me im x-large
31:28 * Ysjoelfir deflates hsn
31:56 <hsn> im fasting today u shouldnt :D
32:22 <hsn> i feel good
33:11 <hsn> Ysjoelfir, i think u should try the ~14 morning hours fasting thing
34:04 <hsn> somthing like 4am to 6pm
34:14 <Ysjoelfir> ok, I haven't eaten nor drank anything yet. I do it.
34:22 <Ysjoelfir> Can I drink water?
34:34 <hsn> well u can do what u want .. in my case no :D
34:50 <hsn> also when u break the fasting dont eat suddenly ..
35:11 <Ysjoelfir> I would die without drinking anything :D
35:13 <hsn> eat somthing very light small portion .. wait for 20min .. then eat
35:21 <Ysjoelfir> ok, I try that
36:54 <hsn> u will actually eat less than everyday .. as the 14 hours thingy makes u feel filled faster than usual
37:13 <hsn> i think :D idk with water how it is
38:05 <Ysjoelfir> well, water has 0 calories, and if you drink to make you feel full... hmm... we'll see :)
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14:38 <steve30> hi
14:41 <Ysjoelfir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgvaZHV71_8 Places like that you will probably never find in germany.
14:43 <Ysjoelfir> hi steve30
17:31 <Jens> Not drinking water for 14 hours doesn't seem like a super idea.
18:36 <Jens> The fasting thing sounds neat. I wouldn't function well without some kind of breakfast.
19:15 <Ysjoelfir> I usually don't eat breakfast anyway, so thats fine for me. I just tend to eat one big dinner and some small shit inbetween
19:42 <Ysjoelfir> But yes, I just drank a few drops :D
21:25 <Jens> I usually have this for breakfast: https://queal.com/shop/steady-standard/
22:00 <Ysjoelfir> that does not look tasty
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22:22 <Jens> It does not. But it actually is.
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44:34 Mode: (by ChanOP) +o steve30
46:21 <steve30> my cpu fan is rattling
46:33 * Ysjoelfir hands steve30 some WD40
47:47 <K> ask Ampera for some rattlesnake traps
50:11 <Ampera> we don't have rattlesnakes around here
51:07 <K> dang
51:25 * Ysjoelfir advises Ampera to rattle his snake instead
51:33 <K> oh my.
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56:02 * Ysjoelfir recites poem
57:12 <Seng> Ysjoelfir, ask me about my multimeter! :D
57:25 <Ysjoelfir> Seng, tell me something about your Multimeter!
57:55 <Seng> It was binder plastic pockets that had arrived and I looked at the wrong tracking number!! :D
58:01 <Seng> f***
58:10 <Ysjoelfir> rofl
00:08 <Seng> still kinda electronics related though. They are for keeping resistors sorted in space efficient way. So they are A4 size with 3x3 arrangements of pockets
00:28 <Seng> Fits resistors just fine and does not take up a lot of space :)
01:40 <Ysjoelfir> THT or SMD?
02:53 <Seng> THT
03:15 <Seng> I'm still at the stage where I'm trying to avoid SMD :b
05:11 <Ysjoelfir> Don't avoid it, try to incorporate it ;) Its so much easier. I use THT only for prototypes and bodging stuff together, working with SMD is so much more convenient, especially IF you are still making your own PCBs. That said, its obviously not suitable for breadboarding* and works not that good on strip/veroboard
05:28 <Ysjoelfir> *if not used with SMD-THT adapters
06:01 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Retweet: Articles like this are so frustrating. No attempt made to even briefly explain what the problem is or the solution. :Which was quoting: Australia's Chief Scientist: Sydney student helps solve quantum computing problem with simple modification https://t.co/qJgMvTzvpJ
09:43 <Seng> So far all I own are veraboard and breadboards :P
10:18 <Seng> I definitely see the benefits with PCBs :) But It's my hobby, my very new hobby, so I'm not all in just yet!
11:29 <Ysjoelfir> thats probably fine than :) But you should, from time to time, think about using this or that SMD piece, not neccessarily for some special reason, but just to practise handling the small suckers. There will be a time in the future where you need THAT part, that is only available in some shitty small SMD package ;)
12:28 <Ysjoelfir> and its frustrating as fuck if you notice that and then have to practice soldering those for the first time. because chances are, that this one special part thats only available as SMD is something rather expensive.
13:14 <Ysjoelfir> You might notice that I speak from experience here - I had to practise with an ATMega128 in the time where those suckers cost like.. IIRC 20€ a pop
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37:59 <Ampera> the one disadvantage of starting 2 hours earlier than everyone
38:06 <Ampera> everything is broken, and it's 2 hours before anyone can fix it
38:30 <Ysjoelfir> sounds to me like 2 hours of free money
38:37 <Ampera> indeed
38:49 <Ampera> but it's 2 hours less you have to do the same job
40:14 <Ysjoelfir> EEVBlog convert 220mil to mm
40:15 <EEVBlog> I can't seem to convert between those two units.
40:22 <Ysjoelfir> EEVBlog convert 220thou to mm
40:23 <EEVBlog> I can't seem to convert between those two units.
40:31 <Ysjoelfir> EEVBlog convert 0,220 inch to mm
40:31 <EEVBlog> I wasn't able to parse that correctly, please see EEVBlog Help for more details
40:36 <Ysjoelfir> EEVBlog convert 0.220 inch to mm
40:37 <EEVBlog> The result is: 5.588 mm
40:47 <Ampera> only twice as hard as using google
40:49 <Ampera> you're welcome
40:56 <Ysjoelfir> xD
41:14 <Ampera> if we ever get to replacing the bot with something not made in Java, I'll rewrite that using an actual conversion engine
41:19 <Ampera> and not the absolute meme I made
41:35 <Ysjoelfir> nah, it works fine most of the time
42:10 <steve30> I'm going to go out on the bike
42:11 <Ampera> should I waste money on ebay servers
42:15 <Ampera> hrmmmm
42:19 <Ampera> have fun steve30
42:48 Quit: modrobert ([email protected]) Quit: leaving
44:04 <Ysjoelfir> If you want to set those servers up with a nice running linux NAS and send it over, sure, go on :D
44:08 <Ysjoelfir> enjoy steve30
44:25 <Ampera> if you pay the shipping, no problem
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45:38 <Ysjoelfir> I don't think that is worth it :P
45:41 <Ampera> they got E7-4870 v2's for dirt cheap on ebay
45:51 <Ampera> 15 core CPU's, I wanna see if I can find a barebones machine or something that can fit them
46:42 <Ysjoelfir> though I considered setting up my system and hiring someone who can set that thing up remotely somehow. AS I just don't find the time to do that, but I get everyday more annoyed by that shitty old nas
46:51 <Ysjoelfir> with its 1.1GHz celeron
47:14 <Ampera> the hardest part of setting up a NAS is samba
47:17 <Ampera> besides that it's pretty simple
47:31 <Ampera> if you can live without smb, it's even easier
47:44 <Ysjoelfir> I have a nice small case in the lab for my lab PC. it has a small ryzen in it, nothing fancy, but its nice. small cube case, I think roughly 30x30x30cm
47:45 <Ampera> just throw drives on FreeBSD and hook shit up
47:50 <Ysjoelfir> what is smb?
47:53 <Ampera> windows shares
47:56 <Ysjoelfir> ah
47:57 <Ysjoelfir> no
48:00 <Ysjoelfir> can't live without that
48:02 <Ysjoelfir> :P
48:11 <Seng> SMB/SAMBA
48:21 <Ampera> Samba is the unix/linux implementation
48:23 <Ampera> smb is the protocol
48:35 <Ampera> and a massive pain in the rear to setup
48:41 <Ampera> it basically comes down to grab a default config and pray
49:12 <Seng> I am aware. It might just have rung a bell with Ysjoelfir
49:22 <Ampera> the only good thing is smb is generally considered insecure, so you don't really have to worry too much about securing it
49:57 <Seng> Ampera, I must've been lucky. I have a RPi laying in the closed with a HDD attached acting as a kinda-sorta NAS amongst other things.
49:59 <Ysjoelfir> lol
50:09 <Seng> It's running with Samba, and it was a breeze to setup :D
50:33 <Seng> Worst thing is my ISP apparently blocking SMB coming from outside my LAN
50:39 <Ampera> my NAS isn't really a pure NAS. Everything I do sits on a single FreeBSD server next to me
50:48 <Ampera> Seng, that's a good thing
50:54 <Ampera> you absolutely NEVER want to use smb clear over WAN
51:04 <Ampera> smb is /not/ a secure protocol at all
51:24 <hsn> Ampera, my NAS is onedrive
51:25 <Ampera> it's actually one of the single greatest attack vectors for Windows networks, and is usually how entire companies get pwned
51:26 <Seng> I just don't like being limited. Let me do my own fails! I'm an adult!
51:41 <Ysjoelfir> guys, a question that just came to my mind.
51:47 <Ampera> I rely on sftp thru openssh for all of my shares
52:08 <Ampera> it has some overhead, but it's secure over WAN, and stupid easy to secure reasonably well
52:15 <hsn> Ampera, do u trust your certificates?
52:32 <Seng> let's not go there, hsn :D
52:44 <hsn> Ysjoelfir, what is it in ur mind ..
52:51 <Ampera> reasonably well, they're generated locally and I doubt anyone scraped the RNG
53:15 <Ysjoelfir> As this PC is the only one that has access to the data on the NAS... I was thinking if I could just put my workstation in the lab, get like a thin client here and connect to the NAS via remote. Question is: Would that have enough performance to play games? is that even possibvle?
53:42 <Seng> For games lag would probably be horrible.
53:45 <hsn> Ysjoelfir, i dont think so
53:48 <Ysjoelfir> I mean like playing on the NAS and basically just "streaming" to the thinclient
53:55 <Seng> For coding and checking your emails it could work fine :)
53:55 <Ysjoelfir> ah, I thought so. to bad :D
54:49 <hsn> Ysjoelfir, u can play with Microsoft Minesweeper
54:52 <Ampera> Ysjoelfir, you mean streaming games from your desktop to something else?
54:55 <Ampera> steam link does that
54:59 <Ampera> raspi can also do steam link reasonably well
55:11 <Ampera> there's overhead, but so long as it's wired, you can usually get it fairly playable
55:26 <Ampera> that was a party trick that the nvidia shield did with 5ghz 802.11n, which worked alright
55:41 <Ampera> I've even done steam link over 5G through a VPN
55:42 <hsn> Ampera, so the game is living on far harddrive ..
55:56 <hsn> the files
55:57 <Ysjoelfir> Not streaming to watch it, but stream like... I sit here on my desk, playing on the thinclient, which basically just acts as a communicator sending my inputs to the NAS and the images back here.
56:10 <Ampera> you mean for daily use as a workstation?
56:26 <hsn> Ysjoelfir, oh so .. streaming just the video not the files ..
56:35 <Ampera> or just for games
56:58 <hsn> i assume its terrible :D
57:01 <hsn> idk
57:41 <Ampera> The tech works great for games, but for daily workstation use, results can be mixed.
57:50 <Ysjoelfir> ok, I think I have to clarify. The idea is: have ONE strong, potent computer in the lab that is accessed by two remote clients (once at a time) to use for everyday tasks like working and playing games (which need to be also seen on the TV that shares a HDMI line with one of my three screens)
58:00 <Ampera> alright
58:29 <Ampera> For games, that's fairly easy to accomplish on relatively cheap hardware, it works great if both machines have hardware video codecs.
58:50 <Ampera> For serious workstation use, it gets a bit more complicated from there. If you're good with RDP in general, you can usually get away with that
59:31 <Ysjoelfir> If RDP works on a good speed thats fine for me. Did that with my old company for months, that worked, as long as the internet connection was fast enough
59:42 <Ampera> if you're on LAN you'll be fine for workstation use
59:45 <Ampera> that all being said
59:59 <Ampera> I'd suggest you just stick the workstation where you'll use it the most, and then have a raspi somewhere else for light stuff
00:06 <hsn> rdp works on udp ?
00:10 <Ysjoelfir> I have a 10GBit fiber between the NAS rack and my desk here
00:18 <Ampera> yeah then you're definitely good
00:43 <hsn> idk whats the G doing there .. maximum i reached was M
00:51 <Ysjoelfir> lol
01:04 <hsn> :D
01:45 <Ampera> Personally I don't like working through remote protocols like that, as I like having minimal latency as much as possible
02:04 <Ampera> it's not a big deal for minor stuff, but when you type a character and it's dozens of ms between you seeing each character, it gets a bit annoying
02:28 <Ampera> it sounds dumb, and you can probably get used to it, but I hated it so much, I went out and bought a capture card so I can composite my laptop onto my desktop without latency
03:04 <hsn> EEVBlog, convert dozen to unit
03:10 <hsn> EEVBlog, convert 1 dozen to unit
03:13 <hsn> EEVBlog convert 1 dozen to unit
03:14 <EEVBlog> I can't seem to convert between those two units.
03:42 <Ampera> 1 dozen = 12
04:00 <hsn> Ampera, whats ur screen refresh rate
04:04 <Ampera> 144hz
04:11 <hsn> frames ?
04:20 <Ampera> I guess
05:07 <hsn> so 7ms delay by screen ...
05:28 <hsn> when u type on keyboard and watch on screen ?
06:00 <Ampera> that sounds like a simplistic calculation
06:07 <Ampera> but the point is that network streams add latency
06:23 <Ampera> sometimes it is not noticeable, but sometimes it makes typing just uncomfortable
06:53 <K> but you can type and whine about lag at the same time!
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12:37 <Ysjoelfir> hehe
13:06 <Ysjoelfir> Nah, I think I won't do that. I just keep a NAS at hand. Though with the more powerful hardware I should definitely implement wake on lan somehow.
14:48 <Ampera> https://www.ebay.com/itm/233712616293
14:53 <Ampera> I'm debating a server like that
15:04 <Ampera> (slightly different model I'm looking at)
18:20 <Ysjoelfir> heh, we had some of the predecessor back in the days when I was working as an IT guy
18:25 <Ysjoelfir> nice beasts
18:46 <Ampera> can only take 2.5" drives
19:30 <Ampera> which is a dual edged sword, because it can take SSD's easier, but SATA (nevermind SAS) SSD's are actually more expensive than PCIe SSD's
20:31 <Ampera> Sandy Bridge is also my minimum generation I'd honestly entertain, but I'd prefer something like Ivy Bridge which supports PCIe 3
20:41 <Ampera> sadly the next gen up of these servers are beyond my meager budget
21:53 <Ysjoelfir> I would love to have a system like I had back in the days before dualcores were normal in home and office. I had a dual opteron system as my workstation. that was nice. had 4 CPU cores before most of the world even had dualcore CPUs
22:20 <Ampera> what I would /love/ is a POWER server, but those are bullshit prices
22:28 <Ampera> or even an ARM server, but those are similarly stupid
23:00 <Ampera> honestly it's amazing servers can even get this cheap
23:11 <Ampera> considering how expensive servers really are when new
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25:14 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: Youtube contests suck once again. Still have not heard from the winner of the Keysight scope even though I had their contact email address from their Youtube profile. If you are [email protected] check your email or I'm going to redraw it.
25:26 <hsn> Ampera, so i can increase ur bid now
25:38 <Ampera> my what
25:47 <hsn> whats ur maximum bid ? so i make it that
25:57 <Ampera> I linked a different server than the one I'm considering for exactly that reason
26:35 <hsn> u think im repugnant ?
27:07 <hsn> spiteful
27:12 <hsn> idk .. im using translator
28:53 <Ysjoelfir> hsn!
28:57 <Ysjoelfir> be proud of me!
29:07 <Ysjoelfir> I just went to the kitchen and wanted to snack a banana. I didn't
29:08 <hsn> u only drinked 200ml ?
29:29 <Ysjoelfir> roughly 300 I think
29:48 <hsn> :P nice so u r fighting ur self ?
29:55 <Ysjoelfir> yes
30:05 <hsn> how many hours left for u
31:16 <Ysjoelfir> Until mrs. spouse comes home and we make dinner I would say
31:27 <hsn> 7pm ?
31:28 <Ysjoelfir> that would be.... 19:00. its 13:30 now
32:07 <hsn> u didnt lie :P
32:52 <Ysjoelfir> thats correct :P
33:33 <hsn> wtf
33:52 <Ysjoelfir> hm?
33:59 <hsn> https://snipboard.io/6EiNRT.jpg
34:07 <hsn> 15/1/2022
34:18 <hsn> thats gonna be my second shippment date ?
34:24 <Ysjoelfir> yep, its crazy
34:36 <hsn> fck !!!!!!
34:59 <hsn> its to all components generally ?
35:17 <Ysjoelfir> basically every semiconductor is getting rare atm, yes
35:29 <Ysjoelfir> try aanother supplier, you may be lucky
41:18 <hsn> the order is placed allready
42:34 <hsn> and im wtfing because ..
42:54 <hsn> that "2022" on that chip which is not very important ..
43:13 <hsn> but its gonna affect all other "lead" componetns that are important
49:47 <hsn> so these two: https://snipboard.io/BXIGUs.jpg are going to be shipped on 2022 ? lol
56:01 <Ampera> Ysjoelfir, can you hop on Discord real quick and tell lemon how to add a new server to adiirc?
56:22 <Ampera> austnet's stupid IP filter banned him so I gave him a spot on my ZNC
56:38 <Ampera> I just need him to throw the details in there, but I've got no clue what to tell him to put what where
57:36 <Ysjoelfir> thats easy. click server - server list - tab "Servers" - add - put there the hostname/ip, port and password if needed, done.
58:04 <Ysjoelfir> after that: server - all servers - click on the one he just created and boom, done
58:22 <Ysjoelfir> well, /join #eevblog of course
58:53 <Ampera> he's got the server, he just needs to put the password
58:55 <Ampera> and probably username
59:55 <Ysjoelfir> username is in the server list - general tab
00:34 <Ysjoelfir> I always authorize to ChanOP by my join script, don't know if thats directly possible by some function of adiirc
01:13 <Ysjoelfir> or do you mean the znc's password and username? thats in the "add server" window as well
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01:31 <Ysjoelfir> I would come to discord and tell him myself, but I don't have it installed atm ;/
01:34 <Ysjoelfir> :/
02:07 <Ampera> alright I think I found the issue
02:11 <Ampera> my znc mandates tls
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02:16 <Ampera> there we go
02:19 <Ampera> hello Lemon
02:21 <Ysjoelfir> aha!
02:26 <Lemon> yeyyyyyy
02:59 <Ampera> you should be able to connect to my ZNC whenever Lemon, and it should keep you on the IRC at all times
03:09 <Ampera> my IP rarely changes, so it should be fine
03:50 <Lemon> superb :>
03:55 <Lemon> so how's everybody doing ?
04:01 <Ysjoelfir> cold
04:03 <Ampera> awake
04:07 <Ysjoelfir> hungry
04:31 <Lemon> haha I need a nap personnally
04:51 <Lemon> its been 2 days im trying to connect things in gpib
05:02 <Lemon> but I think that agilent gpib/usb interface is wonky
05:15 <Lemon> one time it works with a little python script to log voltages, then it doesnt
05:25 <Lemon> or it writes random chars instead of real value
05:29 <Lemon> now it doesnt work at all
05:46 <Ysjoelfir> aaaah, good old gpib, I love it
05:51 <Lemon> and I thought it would be criminal to work again on gear without talking to my homies :>
06:12 <Ampera> my sleeping schedule has decided for the past few weeks to just be absolute torture
06:20 <Ampera> but I think I've gotten it back into shape
06:40 <Ampera> I need to get better curtains for my window, because I go to bed so early and the sun shines so bad on me it goes through my eyelids
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06:59 <K> lonem
07:03 <electrohead> o/
07:13 <Lemon> ho it changed my life when I got that store on mine
07:15 <Lemon> yoyo !
07:17 * Ampera hugs electrohead 
07:27 <Ampera> electrohead, should I spend like 800 bucks on server gear or nah
07:43 <electrohead> only if you are willing to send me some of your old stuff
07:46 <electrohead> :P
07:51 <Ampera> what old stuff
08:14 <Lemon> I wonder if I could get one of those old gpib pci cards (can find NI ones for 50 euros) and use a pci to pcie adapter
08:19 <Lemon> it sounds wonky
08:19 <Ampera> ngh, I want server gear, but I also don't like spending lots of money
08:31 <Ampera> correction, I love spending lots of money
08:36 <Ampera> it's just a bad idea 99% of the time
08:45 <electrohead> lol
09:02 <electrohead> Ampera: fuck it, do it
09:11 <Ampera> stop saying that, I probably will if you do
09:16 <Ysjoelfir> Lemon, afaik those PCIe adapters tend to work.
09:22 <Lemon> yeah ?
09:24 <electrohead> if you have the money, and can afford it.. go ahead
09:27 <Lemon> so its not totally delusionnal ?
09:31 <Ampera> stop making sense
09:32 <Ampera> asshole
09:39 <Ysjoelfir> yep. for slow stuff I read its fine
09:45 <Lemon> hmmmm
09:48 <electrohead> lol, what are you thinking about getting?
10:07 <Lemon> because im pretty sure my fluke and 3456a is fine, but that agilent clone, hermm
10:12 <Lemon> lots of issues with those I knew it
10:42 <Ampera> fuck it
10:44 <Ampera> going for it
10:51 <Lemon> I want to log my voltage standard, and also make some measurements on OCXO's with my5345a :>
11:39 <Ampera> https://www.ebay.com/itm/233751580100 and https://www.ebay.com/itm/294118434429
12:02 <Ysjoelfir> nice Ampera :D
12:03 <Ampera> one is gonna be a Xen server for compute, and the other a storage server using the hardware that makes up the server I run now
12:08 <Ysjoelfir> Lemon, sounds nice, do it!
12:21 <Lemon> yessss
12:31 <Lemon> I also saw that somebody developped a nice software for my electronic load
12:35 <Ampera> and if you tell the person who makes all of my money that I did this, I will never forgive any of you
12:37 <Lemon> but he sells it for 30 bucks
12:44 <Lemon> I have tons of 18650 to test
13:46 <Lemon> ok so I'll find a card, an adapter
13:48 <Lemon> and we'll see !
14:02 <Lemon> I really want to start tinkering again
14:17 <Ampera> at some other point I'll get some proper 10GbE networking to link the two together, but for now they can deal with gigabit
16:19 <electrohead> Ampera: arch linux all the way?
16:21 <electrohead> :p
16:24 <Ampera> hell no
16:30 <electrohead> no? :/
16:32 <Ampera> I don't even run arch on my current server
16:40 <electrohead> gah
16:43 <electrohead> take chances, damn it
16:45 <electrohead> lol
16:50 <hsn> Lemon, :>
16:51 <Ampera> I don't even intend to run Linux
16:51 * electrohead looks at himself
17:11 <Lemon> :D
18:17 <Lemon> @ysjoelfir https://www.leboncoin.fr/informatique/1916150434.htm?ac=206978287 whatcha think ? :>
18:41 <Lemon> even come with a cable, I already have afew but im not spitting on it
18:41 <Ampera> electrohead, the storage server, which is presently my main and only server, will be running FreeBSD, whereas the compute server will likely run Xen with a FreeBSD dom0
19:02 <Ampera> then Debian, FreeBSD, or Windows guests depending on what I need
19:02 <Ysjoelfir> Those are pretty decent, Lemon - we used those in the old company
19:03 <electrohead> ahh
19:32 <Lemon> ok ! then I will go for it, and that extra cable will serve for the power analyzer you gave me, I still never used it !
19:35 <Lemon> its intimidating tbh
19:44 <Lemon> so many things I want to build
19:46 <Lemon> haaaaaa
21:26 <Lemon> https://www.amazon.fr/ADWITS-chipset-ASM1083-Adaptateur-Compatible/dp/B08NVPP62H/ref=psdc_2908498031_t1_B0024CV3SA
21:32 <Lemon> and that adapter sounds correct ?
21:35 <Lemon> I never used one of those
22:00 <Ampera> How have you been doing, anyways, Lemon
22:14 <Lemon> hehhhh not super good, lets be honest
22:16 <Ampera> idk if you've noticed we have 1 or 2 more people since you left
22:23 <Lemon> yes haha :P thats good !
22:30 <Ampera> that's good, life would be scary if everything was alright all the time
22:43 <Lemon> yeah well, I have yet to find when it was good
22:49 <Ampera> same here
22:54 <Lemon> I developped a strong case of agoraphobia
23:08 <Lemon> and my depression got more intense
23:16 <Lemon> so im trying to not think about it, and do stuff
23:21 <hsn> Ysjoelfir, u mean old room ?
23:25 <Lemon> even if its not really possible
23:26 <Ampera> Agoraphobia isn't too bad, all of europe is in solitary confinement anyways
23:34 <Lemon> yeah thats fine
23:40 <Lemon> just a pain when I need to go get food
23:44 <Ampera> Depression is a delightfully horrific disease.
24:37 <Ampera> but one many people can and do get over
25:07 <Ampera> the strongest people are whose whose minds are invulnerable to time
25:17 <hsn> did u know that connectors can come out of screen ? https://snipboard.io/zStgKu.jpg ?
25:24 <Lemon> yeah im not strong sadly
25:45 <hsn> Lemon, u r citric
25:54 <Lemon> yes, thats true yes
25:55 <Lemon> :P
26:05 <hsn> :>
26:15 <Lemon> to occupy myself I made a list of what I want to do, in my little lab
26:34 <hsn> i bought these : https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/stackpole-electronics-inc/KAL50FB30R0/1646204 ..
26:43 <hsn> because .. 30 is better than 0.25 ?
26:46 <Lemon> - get that gpib card + pci adapter, connect 3456a, 8502a, 5345a, tds540 (why not ?) and the power analyzer
26:56 <hsn> now i dont know how i solder them to pcb
26:58 <Lemon> hooooo hsn
27:00 <Lemon> funny you show that
27:06 <Lemon> because I want to build a passive load, for fun :>
27:18 <Lemon> with 1, 2 4 8 ohms 50watts 1% resistors
27:35 <Lemon> and two shrouded connectors per resistor so you can put them in parralel/series
27:36 <hsn> so u want to build heat dissipation thing ?
27:51 <Lemon> yeah I dont exactly know why as I have an electronic load
27:57 <Lemon> but mostly for fun I guess
28:53 <Lemon> I also want to build a nice capacitor decade box
29:01 <Lemon> to go with my resistor decade box (Im proud of this one)
29:04 <hsn> banana box ?
29:10 <Lemon> yesssss
29:50 <hsn> nice
29:52 <Lemon> I want my thigns in gpib for example to measure my voltage standard, or make nice curves to test ocxo's
30:10 <Lemon> a gpib power supply would be neat but until now I will simply measure it with the fluke
30:11 <hsn> how do u solder this stuff .. just wire and put the tin solder thing and wala ?
30:35 <Lemon> I guess ?
30:48 <Lemon> I need to think about it
30:55 <Lemon> I already have tons of nice connectors thanks to ysjoelfir
31:02 <electrohead> I'd like to either purchase or make a wireless GPIB interface
31:09 <Lemon> so I just need those 4 resistors, but shit they arent avalaible on eu websites
31:12 <Lemon> theres always one missing
31:13 <electrohead> the esp8266 would be perfect
31:40 <hsn> i wonder if these resistor leads can be used with quick connectors
32:19 <hsn> https://images.app.goo.gl/xR7AtXddyMgUae77A
36:26 <Ysjoelfir> hsn
36:33 <Ysjoelfir> my stomach is rumbling like fuck :D
36:39 <Ysjoelfir> its like
36:40 <Ysjoelfir> GIVE
36:41 <Ysjoelfir> ME
36:43 <Ysjoelfir> FOOOOOD
36:44 <Ysjoelfir> !!!!!!!!!!!
36:49 <Ysjoelfir> XD
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46:35 <electrohead> I guess he didn't like that, lol
46:37 <Ysjoelfir> looks like arch suddenly died from starvation
53:45 <Ampera> also bought a new NIC https://www.ebay.com/itm/203266320975
53:53 <Ampera> er, HBA
54:09 <Ampera> as I found out that server case needs the SFF doohickeys
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20:45 <Lemon> pfff so many good things on ebay but with insane shipping
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21:57 <Reg7805> good moaning guys
22:21 <Ampera> Reg7805, moaning is only allowed if you mean it
22:52 <Ysjoelfir> lol
23:04 <steve30> I just popped up to Doncaster. They had some of those dunces walking round with computer screens attached to them :D
23:16 <Reg7805> well how are yous all doing?
23:23 <Ysjoelfir> who did you pop?
23:32 * steve30 is fooding
23:35 <Ysjoelfir> I'm hungry
24:46 * Ampera waves some yakisoba at Ysjoelfir 
24:58 <Ampera> I am hungry, but food is verboten until after work
25:39 <Lemon> anybody got an idea of a reasonnable price, for an hp 66 series power supply ? lets say a 50v 2a, something like that
25:55 <Ampera> free is quite reasonable
26:24 <Lemon> ha yeah well
26:56 * steve30 bought a Memory Stick Pro Duo off ebay
28:08 <Ampera> how many beds of sony branded gold did you have to spend to buy that, steve30
28:31 <steve30> £4.75
28:37 <Ampera> nice
32:01 <Lemon> https://www.ebay.fr/itm/HP-6633A-0-50V-0-2A-100W-ADJUSTABLE-POWER-SUPPLY/264800448595?hash=item3da7563053:g:bwsAAOSwo-VfE0Yw
32:14 <Lemon> this would be perfect if shipping wasnt 150 euros+
34:09 <Lemon> https://www.ebay.fr/itm/HP-AGILENT-6633A-System-DC-Power-Supply-0-50V-0-2A-100W/232568832941?hash=item36262ec3ad:g:HD0AAOSwkLhaQlBt
34:17 <Lemon> hmmm thats 200 euros with shipping, sounds decent ?
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