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00:00:27 <rust_collector> humm, the boxy capacitor I found the other day, measures 38V.
00:00:40 <rust_collector> so, I guess it is not completely dead
00:04:00 <Hsn> No
00:04:06 <rust_collector> ok
00:04:07 <Hsn> 42 is dead
00:04:33 <rust_collector> eh?
00:05:15 <Hsn> 44 °C (111.2 °F) or more – Almost certainly death will occur; however, people have been known to survive up to 46.5 °C (115.7 °F).
00:05:34 <rust_collector> uh, sure
00:05:40 <Hsn> 42 °C (107.6 °F) – Subject may turn pale or remain flushed and red. They may become comatose, be in severe delirium, vomiting, and convulsions can occur. Blood pressure may be high or low and heart rate will be very fast.
00:05:54 <Hsn> Eh i thought 42 is dead
00:05:59 <Hsn> Almost ..
00:06:10 <rust_collector> at any temp, people may already be dead.
00:06:21 <rust_collector> there are soooo many dead people
00:10:01 <Hsn> U r dead?
00:10:31 <Ysjoelfir> no. but I am
00:10:58 <rust_collector> soon... soon
00:11:07 <coppice> Does anyone make a digital multi-meter with a breaker instead of a fuse, like some analogue multi-meters (e.g the AVO 7) used to do?
00:11:45 <Ysjoelfir> I did not see any, but I like the idea
00:13:26 <rust_collector> ok, here is a thing for ysjoelf https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6DOzt17Vbo
00:13:28 <eevBot> [Title] - Youtube: Soviet Cooking American Way. Delicious Sorrel Borscht - Щавлевый Борщ #cooking
00:20:22 <coppice> borscht is tomorrow's dinner
00:21:28 <rust_collector> ok, but it is weeds and mushroom borscht?
00:22:24 <coppice> our's will beetroot to the recipe.
00:25:03 <rust_collector> I think I will stop shorting this capacitor on things, even if it is sort of fun
00:25:34 <coppice> we used to make Asian borscht, but we've drifted to making a more European style one with beetroot.
00:34:20 <Hsn> Asian what?
00:35:01 <coppice> https://www.ohmyfoodrecipes.com/hong-kong-borscht-soup/
00:35:02 <eevBot> [Title] - Hong Kong Borscht Soup (Luo Song Tang 羅宋湯) | Oh My Food Recipes
00:35:05 <rust_collector> soup
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01:27:35 <Bird|otherbox> coppice: the issue is interrupting ratings, especially at DC
01:29:18 <Bird|otherbox> a breaker that can interrupt several tens of thousands of amps at 1kVDC is going to be quite large (like, the size of the meter)
01:29:42 <Bird|otherbox> whereas a DMM-11AR can interrupt 20kA at 1kVDC in a 10x38mm package
01:32:54 <coppice> Bird|otherbox: I understand the issues, but they used to put breakers in high end analogue meters
01:34:56 <coppice> in the average lab there is rarely a multimeter that can measure current, as all the fuses have been blown by people too lazy to replace them
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01:42:56 <Kuschelpony> hihi
01:43:28 <Kuschelpony> well to be honest i never really got why multimeters of recent decades have a mix of voltage and current ranges at all
01:44:42 <Kuschelpony> myself i have a strategy of one meter for voltage with the current sockets plugged shut, and two cheap meters that i hook up to current measurements before switching on stuff at all, and because these meters are very different its really unlikely that i will try to probe voltages with them
01:45:26 <Bird|otherbox> coppice: for school labs and such, I'd make a habit of testing meter fuses on a regular basis
01:45:44 <Bird|otherbox> coppice: analog meters back then didn't have to meet the IEC CAT rating tests either, though
01:46:42 <Bird|otherbox> those breakers were probably *woefully* underrated to deal with a serious error (like deadshorting the meter across distribution busbars)
01:47:48 <Kuschelpony> and worse, the breaker sometimes required a seperate batetry to act, so when this batetry was empty it did not cut off at all
01:47:57 <Kuschelpony> i do have a soviet one exactly like this
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01:58:58 <Watcher> Hello
01:58:59 <eevBot> Hello, Watcher!
02:05:21 <arch> Watcher, is it me you're lookin for?
02:07:33 <Watcher> not specific
02:07:37 <Watcher> why?
02:09:31 * arch notices the joke fly right past Watcher and enter escape velocity
02:14:22 * arch puts some DIP-16 ICs down T3sl4's shirt
02:16:35 <T3sl4> you're such a dip
02:24:01 <arch> T3sl4, https://i.imgur.com/ZC5JHSH.gif
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02:36:58 <mromaster> hellooo!
02:37:09 <Watcher> howdie
02:37:38 <mromaster> aha there is someone here... was curious as nothing appearing for me. thought eevblog chat may have moved
02:38:18 <Watcher> no it is not moved still here
02:40:47 <mromaster> do you know where i can get a few ee's to test a new electronics search engine. i'm a MRO guy but have tried to spin off what we do as i think could be great for electronics
02:44:17 <Watcher> Ysjoelfir is of was a ee and the user that is not here now named something like *rickedw i not remembering the correct username is also a ee
02:44:35 <Watcher> but there will be more here
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02:52:34 <Watcher> mromaster if you can't find the right people here can back at a nother time and/or day and it again
02:53:25 <Watcher> hsn if think also a person that you are looking for mromaster
02:55:02 <Hsn> Im weak ee though xD
02:55:24 <Watcher> hsn you are here hooray
02:55:41 <Watcher> but you have stude it?
02:56:03 <Hsn> Ya .. im having my full belly sit position now
02:56:05 <Hsn> Yeah
02:56:44 <Hsn> Study it but university is shit imho
02:57:52 <Watcher> but the diploma is what matter
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03:02:54 * Ysjoelfir made Pomtee!
03:03:25 <Ysjoelfir> also, is the hsn available?
03:03:45 <Watcher> a few minute ago, yes
03:03:50 <Hsn> Yea
03:04:33 <Hsn> Watcher: fck this system i wish ppl like elon musk who says fck the certificate i need skills .. get more and more
03:05:19 <Ysjoelfir> hsn, https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMeQ4bHcu/ Mrs. Spouse showed me this and asked me if you witnessed it :D
03:05:40 <Watcher> hsn: here they will get it a little bit more over but it is very slow
03:08:02 <Hsn> Lol Ysjoelfir no
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03:19:29 <Hsn> Watcher: thats great .. nothing against learning and education system .. but the way world works is just unfair
03:20:19 <Hsn> I know bachelors who are more knowledgeable than PhD useless who just brag about their PhDs .. get paid 10times less ..
03:22:06 <arch> amen brotha
03:22:07 <Hsn> I also know PhD who are working in governmental educational institute and get paid well.. while i see that as crime .. lots of graduates are lost under this donkey who wasted their life and time .. country wise
03:25:23 <Watcher> i also dont where the stereo type came from that the smartests people have done phd for my and i am dont now a lot or ant phd person is it just a certificate that you are willing to go even more in-deth in a specific topic after your master
03:26:11 <Watcher> but in my country only the smartest people can apply to univeristy
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04:00:29 <Hsn> <rust_collector> Hsn did you forget to go to work?
04:02:19 <Hsn> heh when was this
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04:25:26 <Lemon> yoyo
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05:19:16 <rust_collector> Hsn I think it was around 6 here
05:19:24 <rust_collector> oyoy Lemon
05:20:02 <rust_collector> Hsn... Lemon said he would probably order that useless little usb tester thing this evening
05:21:42 <Hsn> https://snipboard.io/qvYSCN.jpg <-- i know what happened rust_collector
05:21:50 <Hsn> i was busy with this
05:22:02 <rust_collector> up here, it seems like everyone goes to the university, so they can go to more universities, until they are too old to get a job. I dunno?
05:22:10 <Lemon> im going to test my ocxos :>
05:22:56 <Hsn> https://photos.app.goo.gl/Nw5BVKQnoukCr8of8
05:23:15 <rust_collector> that is a plan... how will that help you measure and log powerbank capacity using some lua script?
05:24:34 <rust_collector> that is a very nerd box with a proper MeanWhile power thing, and some other power things. and stuff
05:25:31 <rust_collector> what are the grey things in the middle? is it some siemens plc or pls, or what it was called?
05:26:11 <Hsn> rust_collector, someone selected that he needs "3x convertors 24v/12v for 3 brushed dc motor that takes like 15W or somthing"
05:26:23 <Hsn> so thats these 3 psu on right side
05:26:25 <Hsn> T_T
05:26:32 <Hsn> yeah siemens
05:26:43 <Hsn> plc thingy
05:26:45 <Hsn> s7-1200
05:26:45 <rust_collector> heh, that has to be annoying
05:26:53 <Hsn> expensive stuff for the job
05:27:03 <Hsn> but i was just helping them .. they selected stuff ..
05:27:14 <rust_collector> all i ever did was S5. that was... messy
05:27:39 <Hsn> i hate plc stuff man
05:27:49 <Hsn> its so fcked up logic :D ...
05:27:52 <Hsn> ladder shit
05:29:45 <Hsn> in anycase .. this thing look good ..
05:30:22 <rust_collector> well, we had one module, that had a "counter" thing, you could click a button up or down, to change the number. it was like the odometer in older cars, so you had to click the button 10000 times. then enter that, next thing selected, poke poke poke the button, enter, next...
05:30:38 <rust_collector> yeah, it looks tidy enough
05:30:49 <Hsn> so what if u click one more by mistake ?
05:30:58 <rust_collector> then you go back one?
05:31:00 <Hsn> ah there is up and down
05:31:01 <Hsn> ok
05:31:12 <Hsn> i hate the ones that only have up
05:31:12 <Hsn> :D
05:31:21 <rust_collector> still... it took ages to do anything.
05:31:22 <Hsn> and resets at 99999 or somthing
05:31:27 <rust_collector> right
05:32:47 <rust_collector> but if whatever is in "thing #1" is 10, and the thing in "thing #2" is 25300...
05:33:18 <rust_collector> I think we spent most of a day doing that, after replacing the battery
05:33:19 <Hsn> this whole thing that they are trying to control is idk .. over money taker .. but idc .. not anymore
05:34:29 <Hsn> i dot to understand nothing .. u needed to reset some odometer counter to ?
05:35:09 <Hsn> wait what im saying ? .. nvm
05:35:09 <Lemon> soi plugged a bliley ocxo
05:35:17 <Hsn> oui
05:35:21 <Lemon> I want to try the voltage trimming
05:35:29 <Hsn> ocxo = ? oscillator?
05:35:32 <Lemon> yes
05:35:39 <Lemon> ove controlled one
05:35:51 <Lemon> oven
05:36:02 <Lemon> sorryy its crowded on desk, kb got cables on it
05:36:28 <rust_collector> to program the machine, you had XXX different places that wanted a value. so you went to place1, enter enternumbermode, enter the number, "write" then goto place2, enter, enter enternumbermode, enter the number "write"
05:37:27 <rust_collector> then you go eat lunch, then continue
05:38:07 <rust_collector> there was better ways to do it, or different data entering modules, or whatever, but not on out machine
05:44:44 <rust_collector> ok, I am going back outside to do whatever
05:47:46 <rust_collector> anyone want a tek 465? https://youtu.be/_ywYK_YaZ-0?t=1157
05:47:47 <eevBot> [Title] - Youtube: SNNC 378 P1 Machining Plastic , Workshop Clearance
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07:19:45 <Hsn> i like the title feature of this bot
07:20:25 <rust_collector> I have mixed feelings about it
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07:21:37 <Hsn> the only mixed thing i have is mixed salad
07:21:51 <Hsn> feelings .. whats that .. i probably ate it once and forever
07:22:18 * rust_collector tries hard to not make a fat guy joke
07:25:38 <rust_collector> I feel that was a success
07:45:57 <Hsn> why
07:46:24 <Hsn> u could joke about fat ppl .. i mean do u like skimmed milk or fat milk ?
08:01:46 <Lemon> rust_collector
08:01:49 <Lemon> I need your help
08:05:53 <Lemon> the guy for the fluke 73III answered me
08:05:59 <Lemon> that is changing my plans lol
08:06:12 <Lemon> 54 euros delivered and its looking like new
08:06:18 <Lemon> with probes, which is always nice
08:14:31 <Lemon> anybody here ?
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08:15:15 <steve30> o/
08:16:14 <Nickoname> Do eevblog have an EU store?
08:16:58 <steve30> not that i'm aware of
08:17:04 <Nickoname> :'(
08:17:32 <Nickoname> Customs are so expensive...
08:17:32 <steve30> I think Dave sells through amazon, but i don't know where they'll ship from.
08:17:37 <Nickoname> Ah ok
08:17:56 <Nickoname> Then ill look there, might actually work
08:18:00 <Nickoname> Thanks!
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08:25:31 <Lemon> hey steve30
08:25:38 <Lemon> ever got a fluke 73 III in hands ? xd
08:26:24 <steve30> I don't have any flukes, sorry
08:27:18 <Lemon> aight :>
08:27:27 <Lemon> I got the opportunity to buy one for 54 euros delivered
08:27:33 <Lemon> and I think thats quite a nice deal
08:28:00 <Lemon> I need a decent meter for stuff around the house, or simply when its not convenient to use my big bois
08:32:51 <Lemon> and you know what they say
08:32:54 <Lemon> you never have enough dmms
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12:56:54 <Halcyon> Moo, I'm home
13:02:36 * T3sl4 µ's at Halcyon
13:02:51 <T3sl4> https://www.reddit.com/r/aww/comments/my1xe5/staying_as_still_as_possible_to_keep_the_peace/ halcyon
13:02:52 <eevBot> [Title] - reddit: the front page of the internet
13:11:35 <steve30> Halcyon sent me a picture of a dog
13:12:09 <T3sl4> D:
13:14:01 * steve30 meows at T3sl4
13:14:15 * T3sl4 pets the steve30
13:14:43 * steve30 purrs
13:27:30 <Halcyon> That's my friends poodle
13:27:33 <Halcyon> His name is Walter :P
13:28:19 <Halcyon> What did you think of my yorkshire puddings Steve?
13:28:33 <steve30> they look yummy
13:28:44 <Halcyon> We didn't have tallow so we used vegetable oil instead
13:30:42 <steve30> From the photos it looked like more oil than i would use, although some people prefer more.
13:31:08 * steve30 needs to go to the shops this morning
13:31:14 <Halcyon> Yeh we used too much
13:31:15 <steve30> Since I've been putting it off for a whole week.
13:31:17 <Halcyon> Some spilled over
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13:36:34 <T3sl4> so you're saying you're a bit muffin-topped, Halcyon?
13:39:14 <Halcyon> No the oil spilled over
13:39:20 <Halcyon> The puddings were nice and puffy
13:39:34 <Halcyon> Although I would have liked them to stay a bit crispier
13:42:35 <T3sl4> mmm
13:49:39 <steve30> In today's spam box: "You are the one who can give me real orgasm"
14:08:15 <Halcyon> Oh that was from me Steve :P
14:15:56 <steve30> hehe
14:16:05 <steve30> I wonder who sent "The #1 secret to squirting" then
14:18:41 <steve30> "Here's What You're About To Learn Inside Our Course:
14:18:41 <steve30> The WEIRD METHOD lesbians use to make their girlfriends squirt hard in less than 4 MINUTES"
14:19:51 <T3sl4> what's weird about a hitachi?
14:22:53 <Halcyon> Hitachi?
14:24:59 <steve30> I gather Hitachi don't put their brand name on them any more :p
14:29:17 <Halcyon> I have no idea what you two are on about
14:29:36 <steve30> As a big clive viewer, you really should
14:29:58 <Halcyon> I don't watch *all* his videos
14:30:15 <steve30> "Hitachi" = Mains powered 'relief' device
14:30:50 <Halcyon> Ahh
14:30:57 <Halcyon> Link me? I don't know if I've seen that one
14:31:32 <steve30> I'm not sure he's made a specific video about them, but they've had various mentions
14:31:38 <steve30> I think bigclive owns a Pifco brand one.
14:31:51 <Halcyon> Oh Nat made a new cooking video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HnfXto6lik
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15:19:46 <Halcyon> I should listen to the podcast more often
15:38:23 <steve30> I still can't find my mp3 player
15:38:47 <Halcyon> I once had a tiny little iRiver MP3 player, the size of a postage stamp
15:38:50 <Halcyon> I lost it :(
15:38:58 <Halcyon> It was a neat little device though
15:39:22 <steve30> Mine's a sandisk clip jam
15:43:41 <Halcyon> I used to have an iRiver Clix 2
15:43:57 <Halcyon> By far the nicest user interface, very seamless
15:44:14 <Halcyon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMSsn-w6WIc
15:44:15 <eevBot> [Title] - Youtube: Amazon reviews the iRiver Clix 2
15:46:26 <steve30> cool
15:49:39 * steve30 continues to need a hair cut
15:49:49 <Halcyon> Bit shaggy there Steve?
15:49:50 <steve30> maybe i'll get round to buying some new clippers soob
15:49:55 <steve30> *soon
15:50:51 <Halcyon> I got my second Pfizer shot today
15:50:58 <Halcyon> I have full 5G reception now \o/
15:51:15 <steve30> cool
15:51:22 * steve30 fires the 5g hose at Halcyon
15:51:43 * Halcyon bathes in millimeter wave goodness
15:53:26 <steve30> BTW, how's Mark?
15:53:33 <Halcyon> Next question
15:53:48 <steve30> hmm
15:53:53 <Halcyon> Not good
16:00:27 <steve30> In other news, I bought a Panavise
16:00:54 <Halcyon> What's that?
16:02:17 <steve30> https://www.panavise.com/index.html?pageID=1&page=full&--eqskudatarq=1
16:02:18 <eevBot> [Title] - PanaVise Products, Inc.
16:02:30 <Halcyon> Ahh yes
16:02:35 <Halcyon> I need one of those
16:04:09 <T3sl4> panavise but not bi-avise?
16:04:28 <steve30> hehe
16:04:41 <Halcyon> Morning Timbo
16:07:26 <steve30> Right, I'm off out. Back later.
16:08:26 Quit: steve30 ([email protected]) Quit: <Baljem> steve30: by the way, I had the most bizarre dream the other day that someone came in here and seriously flipped their shit over your quit message and why aren't the ops /doing/ something about it
16:10:42 <T3sl4> morning me?
16:17:28 <Halcyon> Yeh it's morning there?
16:17:41 <Halcyon> Very very morning
16:20:07 * T3sl4 shrug
16:20:15 <T3sl4> i consider 4am "late at night" tho
16:20:17 <T3sl4> :P
16:20:38 <Halcyon> :P
16:21:40 <Halcyon> I thought you were Michigan for some reason
16:21:47 <T3sl4> ew
16:21:52 <Halcyon> Sorry :P
16:22:15 <T3sl4> wait, which half of michigan?
16:22:17 <Halcyon> What is the correct city so I can add it to my phone clock?
16:22:23 <Halcyon> Oh I don't faken know
16:22:37 <T3sl4> there's the oven mitt part, and there's the yooper part
16:22:46 <T3sl4> as a wisconsinite i'm obliged to eww at the yoopers
16:22:56 <T3sl4> ("UP", "upper peninsula")
16:23:01 * Halcyon blinks at T3sl4 confusingly
16:23:11 <T3sl4> anyway, milwaukee, chicago, close enough?
16:23:23 <Halcyon> Yep
16:23:34 <Halcyon> So it's 0123 there?
16:23:38 <T3sl4> aye
16:23:43 <Halcyon> Perfect
16:23:53 <T3sl4> not that it matters, i got up at like 7pm, i'm probably closer to your time give or take a day :P
16:24:05 <Halcyon> Not that it's hard to remember, you're an hour behind electrohead and Ampera
16:24:12 <T3sl4> ye
16:24:44 <T3sl4> and we're all on daylight stupid time so we all change together
16:25:42 <Halcyon> We just finished DST
16:25:44 <Halcyon> I don't like it
16:25:50 <Halcyon> It's dark when I get home from work
16:26:13 <T3sl4> it's the opposite direction of what would even be useful
16:26:34 <T3sl4> wake up at night, to go to an office without windows, to go back home at night
16:26:51 <Halcyon> My office has windows but they don't open
16:26:53 <Halcyon> Which is depressing
16:27:02 <T3sl4> light but no air?
16:27:45 <Halcyon> Yessum, and because of the security required, they have these big wide bars about 20-25 cm wide covering them, so from the outside, you can't see inside
16:28:04 <T3sl4> :/
16:28:07 <Halcyon> They are mounted diagonally so it lets light in, but the view isn't great
16:28:15 <T3sl4> hard wired shades
16:28:19 <Halcyon> Yep
16:28:56 <Halcyon> Except on my side of the building, I literally overlook a huge water reservoir, so not sure who's bright idea that was. Maybe they were afraid of satellites spying from space?
16:28:58 <Halcyon> Who fucking knows
16:29:17 <Halcyon> I think they just applied the same standard to all sides of the building
16:29:21 <T3sl4> do cyberspies usually carry ladders with them?
16:29:37 <Halcyon> No idea?
16:29:43 <T3sl4> or telescopes
16:29:53 <T3sl4> if video games are anything to go on, it seems the answer is yes
16:29:54 <Halcyon> Possibly
16:30:15 <T3sl4> i'll just ease this 6m ladder out of my back pocket and...
16:30:16 <Halcyon> That's why the building was designed the way it is, so you can't photograph or see in from a distance
16:30:29 <Halcyon> If you can get close enough to use a ladder, you win
16:30:58 <T3sl4> heh, TEMPEST?
16:31:05 <T3sl4> does that still work with LCDs, i forget anymore
16:31:12 <Halcyon> Nah
16:31:18 <Halcyon> It barely worked with CRTs
16:31:31 <T3sl4> that's more of a state level top secret thing tho
16:31:41 <Halcyon> High resolutions and refresh rates kind of fucked that
16:32:06 <Halcyon> We're TS rated. So almost everything has to be up to that standard
16:32:12 <Halcyon> It can be annoying at times
16:32:36 <Halcyon> I have to swipe 7 times just to get to my desk
16:34:49 <Halcyon> Although I had a win the other day, I got actual real pot plants brought into my office :D
16:36:53 <Halcyon> This stuff scares me: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNYAvmng4F0
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16:49:50 <T3sl4> Halcyon: this meme in a nutshell https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/i-fear-no-man
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16:51:18 <T3sl4> electrohead, weird ^
16:56:49 <T3sl4> Halcyon: so, it's just spam, the one i guess is probably worse
16:57:22 <T3sl4> spam... isn't great, but it's not like it's the criminal things he's shown on there before
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20:13:46 <Seng> Anyone into the art of identifying tiny SMD components? (:
20:14:23 <Seng> I have this lil' guy https://hurtig.ninja/8d0ddfe8/image-png
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20:14:41 <Seng> It seem to be.. something.. inside a kind of case.
20:15:34 <Seng> My guesses is either some sort of antenna (the board does radio communication) or possibly a temperature compensated crystal?
20:16:09 <Seng> The marking (A642C) doesn't give much on Google.
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20:35:43 <T3sl4> Seng: whoa, how the hell did you manage a 8MB PNG?
20:36:36 <T3sl4> seems like it might be a crystal but those aren't windowed, humidity or light sensor maybe?
20:37:31 <Seng> To my knowledge there shouldn't be any of that on this board. Also it's normally under a opaque silicon cover
20:39:18 <Seng> I know there are a few crystals, and I can identify some of them in the classical metal package. But lots of it is amazingly tiny! (and I don't have a magnifying glass available right now)
21:08:06 <Lemon> hmmm I tried to do a hardcopy of my tek tds540 via gpib but impossible to connect to it
21:14:03 <T3sl4> it doesn't address?
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21:21:42 <Lemon> yeah
21:21:47 <Lemon> I tried various adress but nope
21:21:50 <Lemon> cant connect to it
21:21:53 <Lemon> I'll see that later
21:26:04 <Lemon> I think I will start to save for a lcr meter
21:26:14 <Lemon> but a nice one, not a handheld one
21:28:18 <Lemon> tonghui seems to make really nice ones for an acceptable price
21:28:24 <Lemon> its still a lot of money for me, but I have stuff to sell
21:30:35 <K> gonna sell some cats?
21:33:16 <Lemon> heh I have some spares thats true ! :P
21:33:22 <Lemon> nah not for all the money in t he world
21:33:35 <Lemon> I have some audio gear im not using
21:33:41 <Lemon> couple dap's, iems
21:34:18 <K> what iems?
21:34:54 <Lemon> a pair of dunu falcon-c, really nice ones, im still debatting with myself
21:35:14 <Lemon> I had some sony ex1k but sold them
21:38:23 <Lemon> I wonder if an impedance analyzer isnt better than a lcr meter
21:38:31 <Lemon> from what I understand you can test more things
21:41:30 <K> lcr meter does impedance for few requencies
21:41:53 <K> analyzer can do arbitrary
21:42:26 <T3sl4> or a VNA, that plus plotting
21:44:29 <K> vna usualy is for rf ranges, no?
21:44:52 <T3sl4> indeed
21:45:04 <K> but the principle is same
21:45:09 <T3sl4> not sure how low they usually go
21:49:44 <Lemon> id like something to thourougly test and characterize various passive components
21:50:35 <Lemon> https://fr.aliexpress.com/item/4001275106814.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.0.0.23acde2aoOQ0x3&algo_pvid=9d2ca846-95c8-4797-877c-5f4688a1c066&algo_expid=9d2ca846-95c8-4797-877c-5f4688a1c066-7&btsid=0b0a050b16194372925323175e458a&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_,searchweb201603_
21:50:36 <eevBot> [Title] - Tonghui – compteur/testeur de résistance cc de haute précision TH2516B (plage: 10 μΩ ~ 20 kΩ) | AliExpress
21:50:43 <Lemon> this is a miliohm meter basically, right ?
21:51:00 <Lemon> they call it a Dc resistance meter
21:51:12 <T3sl4> sounds like it
21:52:08 <Lemon> nice specs for the price
21:52:30 <K> hm, but it is aliexpress
21:52:58 <Lemon> and ?
21:53:18 <Lemon> I mean, tonghui its a good brand
21:53:32 <Lemon> from what I read here and there, they usually outperform their specs
21:53:59 <K> well, maybe it is ok
21:54:37 <coppice> They can't even get the Chinese right on their display
21:54:57 <Lemon> ha yeh about that I can't really talk :>
21:55:06 <Lemon> but it works, thats all that matters
21:55:08 <Lemon> https://fr.aliexpress.com/item/4001275186076.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.0.0.123725eaN6ySqX&algo_pvid=cbf5ea15-4147-4968-b769-1a21b7a91e61&algo_expid=cbf5ea15-4147-4968-b769-1a21b7a91e61-0&btsid=2100bdf016194380739565628e78e1&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_,searchweb201603_
21:55:09 <eevBot> [Title] - Tonghui – compteur/testeur de résistance cc de haute précision TH2516A (plage de résistance: 10 μΩ ~ 200 kΩ) | AliExpress
21:55:22 <Lemon> this one measures from 1uR to 200K
21:55:30 <Lemon> with 0.05% accuracy, its pretty neat
21:55:35 <Lemon> for under 400
21:55:59 <rust_collector> Lemon.... WHAAATT!!!???
21:56:07 <Lemon> shit, lets hide !
21:56:28 <Lemon> btw rusty I listenned to you
21:56:35 <coppice> I wonder what facilities they provide for probing 10 micro-ohms accurately
21:56:42 <Lemon> I think I wont buy the usb thingie, after all I got dmms, a nice load and a PA
21:57:00 <rust_collector> yes, and they can do all the thigs
21:57:01 <Lemon> ho yeah I think you need direct connection with some shielding at that stage
21:57:12 <Lemon> yeah I'll probably buy the software for the load
21:57:49 <Lemon> ive lookd through my list, and one thing that I'd like rusty is a proper lcr meter, its great to test tons of components
21:57:58 <Lemon> and its not redundant with my other instruments
21:58:05 <rust_collector> mmhmm
21:58:34 <K> 10 miro ohms seems a bit silly
21:58:46 <rust_collector> so, you did not buy the old fruke?
21:59:14 <Lemon> nah, im still debatting but I think I wont
21:59:18 <coppice> Trying to measure 10 micro-ohms to 0.05% accuracy is quite a feat
21:59:37 <Lemon> yeah the 400 euros model got the same accuracy but the 700 one got one lower range (1uR) and 10M one
21:59:43 <Lemon> 10uR is already insane as you said
22:00:21 <coppice> the instrument is simple. its probing that is the problem at such low resistances. Conventional Kelvin probes are pretty useless
22:00:25 <rust_collector> Lemon you need a safe meter around the house. just do it, you probably will not get a better one for random home stuff, for a similar price
22:00:56 <rust_collector> i mean, as you have some kind of idea that your fingers are important or something
22:01:03 <Lemon> well I have my fluke 101 for that but idk if its well protected
22:01:38 <rust_collector> it is probably ok-ish. I would probably trust the big old one more, if safety is your thing
22:01:58 <Lemon> yeah true
22:02:02 <Lemon> ho well we'll see
22:02:03 <rust_collector> but. I never put a 101 across high power things
22:04:01 <Lemon> yeah and it got no stand, thats annoying
22:11:41 <Lemon> I think for a lcr meter, 0.05% accuracy and up to 100Khz is good enough for me
22:11:47 <Lemon> well, its super ncie
22:11:49 <Lemon> lets be honest
22:12:39 <Lemon> and tonghui is the oem for bk precision, and a few others
22:17:09 <Lemon> lol lecroy is selling siglent awg rebadged for like 3-5 times the price
22:18:21 <Lemon> I d idnt know, I thought it was one of those brands that made everything themselves
22:18:53 <rust_collector> I think they have used other brands for some time
22:19:35 <rust_collector> I suggest you buy one of each, and start selling rebadge kits on ebay
22:21:46 <Lemon> heh yeah good idea
22:30:24 <Lemon> so yeah im tempted to start saving for a nice bench instrument
22:30:46 <Lemon> a lcr meter would be really nice, an electrometer also quite cool even if I'll probably wont use it as much as an lcr meter
23:14:45 <electrohead> T3sl4: the bot did that because the website probably had cloudfare (or similar) protection
23:14:58 <electrohead> and, morning. o/
23:15:01 <T3sl4> ah
23:17:56 <K> clownfare
23:57:53 <Jens> The C is for cancer.
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