// #eevblog — 2021-04-14
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00:10:34 <rust_collector> morning
00:12:21 <K> bratwurst_connector
00:13:00 <rust_collector> hey K
00:13:33 * K potasses some
00:13:59 <rust_collector> you would, wouldn't you?
00:19:48 Quit: steve30 ([email protected]) Quit: <Baljem> steve30: by the way, I had the most bizarre dream the other day that someone came in here and seriously flipped their shit over your quit message and why aren't the ops /doing/ something about it
00:23:00 <hsn> Ysjoelfir, xD .. u cheated yet ?
00:23:15 <rust_collector> always
00:23:32 <hsn> rust_collector, look Ysjoelfir is hungry today
00:23:44 <rust_collector> oh good.
00:23:51 <hsn> he is fasting
00:24:06 <rust_collector> okaay
00:24:24 <hsn> ie he didnt eat since morning
00:24:28 <rust_collector> well, that is ok. how long is he going to do that?
00:24:39 <hsn> i think until 7pm
00:24:42 <hsn> somthing like that
00:25:18 <rust_collector> I mean... is it just today?
00:25:36 <hsn> i think so .. he maybe didnt like it :D
00:26:21 <rust_collector> it saves a lot of work
00:26:30 <hsn> im out after 4 mins
00:27:05 <rust_collector> ok, I can just sit here all alone....
00:30:21 <rust_collector> Lemon https://www.finn.no/bap/forsale/ad.html?finnkode=214461784
00:31:01 <rust_collector> 60v and 50a. that should blow some leds
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00:32:30 <K> that is stick welder
00:33:10 <rust_collector> hmm, yes, but it is adjustable, and can be rack mounted
00:36:07 <K> adjustable boat anchor, yes
00:36:19 <K> there is a lake or somth like that nearby
00:36:33 <rust_collector> yes, it is called the sea
00:36:51 <rust_collector> next stop denmark
00:37:12 <K> Larvik is sea?
00:38:01 <rust_collector> larvik is where the ferry to denmark lives
00:38:25 <K> oh.
00:39:43 <rust_collector> and I might have to try that ferry some time. they can do the trip in 3 hours and a bit, I think
00:39:59 <K> but it goes to denmark.
00:40:03 <rust_collector> yes
00:40:57 <K> consider carefullt.
00:41:02 <K> t!
00:41:21 <rust_collector> the last time I went by boat there, I did have time to get drunk, watch a concert, sleep, get sober, eat breakfast, before we were across
00:46:33 <rust_collector> anyway, I keep forgetting the boat is much faster now, so I do not even think about going to denmark.
00:51:58 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: The Youtube channel recommendation algorithm keeps finding these amazing new channels I haven't heard of! https://t.co/qr9yRAuGAE
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02:39:02 <T3sl4> steve30 when he's questioning going out on a walk https://www.reddit.com/r/aww/comments/mpzjjz/a_savannah_cat_in_the_rain/
02:40:19 <steve30> hehe
02:40:29 <steve30> i'd have pounced straight back inside
02:45:43 <T3sl4> https://i.imgur.com/hLezBIP.jpg
02:49:10 <Kuschelpony> flying cats (or glass tables)
02:49:21 <steve30> :)
02:49:27 * steve30 paws at T3sl4
02:54:00 <hsn> https://www.instagram.com/p/CNco1H_ANmt/
03:19:08 <jaymax> I did that when I was young, too T3sl4. ;^)
03:19:35 <T3sl4> aww
03:19:39 * T3sl4 pets jaymax
03:19:51 <jaymax> Uh-oh...
03:20:02 * jaymax claws away
03:22:11 <Kuschelpony> hmm, artistic resistors or eastereggs? https://www.mikrocontroller.net/topic/516587#new
03:28:38 <T3sl4> i assume those are the product of proud well paid soviet workers?
03:35:09 <Kuschelpony> no idea, the thread is just a collection opf photos and people wondering which way around to read them
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03:46:29 <Lemon> }@
03:46:32 <Lemon> woops
03:46:45 <Lemon> @rust_collector hello rusty :>
03:49:26 <Lemon> its a nice supply but im more after a gpib capable one
04:29:23 <steve30> hehe, I was just watching a kitty walk along a fence, and a wall, and some garage roofs :D
04:41:43 <coppice> steve30: I find squirrels are usually more fun to watch doing that kind of thing
04:41:52 <DHess_US> a chemist froze himself at -273.15C. Everyone said he was crazy but he was OK.
04:42:13 <steve30> cats are cuter than squirrels
04:42:55 <coppice> DHess_US: just so so, or absolutely OK?
04:43:56 <coppice> steve30: squirrels are super cute. especially the way they move in a wave, the flows through their body and along the tail
04:55:32 <Kuschelpony> hmm, when reading this i wonder https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/korad-ka3005p-power-supply-ui-changes/msg3548539/
04:56:03 <Kuschelpony> how complicated would it be, to reverse engineer that power supply and write completely new software?
05:00:33 <Ysjoelfir> mornings
05:01:04 * electrohead yawns and waves at Ysjoelfir
05:01:58 * Ysjoelfir waves at mr. head
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05:34:37 <T3sl4> DHess_US: https://i.imgur.com/hBIQYos.jpg
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05:34:44 <T3sl4> ThunderSqueak!!!
05:34:54 <ThunderSqueak> hi there T3sl4 :)
05:34:57 <ThunderSqueak> how are you?
05:35:07 <T3sl4> finally i caught you *glomps* :)
05:35:12 <ThunderSqueak> you did?
05:35:17 <ThunderSqueak> was I being hunted?
05:35:28 <T3sl4> not anymore :P
05:35:29 <ThunderSqueak> that is a most dangerous game ya know... hunting a wild ThunderSqueak
05:35:34 <ThunderSqueak> we tickle
05:35:45 <T3sl4> https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/2009-04-16
05:37:02 <T3sl4> i always think of that when i see "most dangerous game"
05:37:03 <ThunderSqueak> :P
05:37:06 <ThunderSqueak> yep
05:37:09 <ThunderSqueak> me too lol
05:38:32 <ThunderSqueak> so how ya been?
05:39:34 <T3sl4> pretty bored, haven't had much work lately
05:40:35 <ThunderSqueak> yeah same, week 2 of being unemployed is tomorrow
05:40:58 <T3sl4> aw
05:41:02 <ThunderSqueak> plus side, my home is getting a much needed cleaning
05:41:33 <Ysjoelfir> so that makes me the leader with basically being unemployed since november? :D
05:41:52 <ThunderSqueak> sounds like me last year, 7 months of unemployment
05:42:05 <Jens> A challenger appears!
05:42:49 <ThunderSqueak> heh :P
05:43:01 <Jens> Though not strictly unemployment, I last worked in 2014 :/
05:43:12 <ThunderSqueak> finished the living room cleaning yesterday, craft room is next
05:44:55 <Halcyon> Morning all
05:45:19 <ThunderSqueak> sorta dreading it, so much stuff collected in there since they locked down Anchorage last year and I got married (wife used it as a staging room when moving in)
05:45:23 <ThunderSqueak> hi Halcyon
05:45:31 <Ampera> hi ThunderSqueak, Halcyon and T3sl4
05:45:36 <Halcyon> Hey guys
05:45:39 <steve30> hi Halcyon
05:45:49 * T3sl4 hugs Ampera
05:45:51 <ThunderSqueak> hello there Ampera
05:45:56 <Ampera> how are you lot doing
05:46:14 <steve30> I'm just planning on going for a shower
05:46:19 <ThunderSqueak> doing ok all things considered, still a bit high from yesterday, had an edible on accident and it was a bit potent ><
05:46:24 <T3sl4> steve30: and a walk? :P
05:46:34 <Ampera> I didn't know weed was legal in alaska
05:46:38 <T3sl4> wheee
05:46:41 <steve30> I'll walk to the bathroom and back :)
05:46:47 <ThunderSqueak> yep, I can buy it around the corner at a rather large shop :P
05:47:00 <Ampera> you presumably heard that NY recently legalized rec weed
05:47:26 <ThunderSqueak> normally I use a smaller dose for pain management
05:47:29 <Ampera> you won't be able to actually buy it, they say, for about two years until they set up all of their money harvesting regulatory commissions
05:48:02 <ThunderSqueak> I guess yesterday I had 80mg, that is a bit high for me XD
05:48:40 <Halcyon> I had basically no sleep so today should be interesting
05:48:48 <Ampera> Halcyon, did the sparkies fix your aircon yet?
05:48:55 <Halcyon> No, it's still night time
05:48:57 <ThunderSqueak> was sorta funny I guess, wife said I just sorta vanished for a few hours while sitting next to her on the couch. was sorta in a dreamlike state
05:49:03 <Halcyon> They're not back for another few hours yet
05:49:24 <Ampera> Halcyon, being a sleep zombie is fun
05:49:28 <Ampera> no not fun, the other thing
05:49:30 * ThunderSqueak hands Halcyon a stuffed animal and says "they help me sleep" :>
05:49:43 <Halcyon> I just need something to switch my brain off
05:49:53 <Jens> That stuff usually knocks me right out.
05:49:53 * ThunderSqueak hands Halcyon an edible.
05:50:09 <Halcyon> Heh
05:50:10 <Ampera> what I've found helps me fall asleep is videos from a guy called my mechanics
05:50:25 <Ampera> he restores random things, and is very good at what he does
05:50:31 <Halcyon> Noise doesn't help me sleep, keeps me up
05:50:36 <Ampera> but his videos have no commentary, and no music, so all you get is the sound of tools
05:50:40 <Ampera> it's quite comforting
05:50:44 * ThunderSqueak used to watch eevblog and fall asleep because his voice droned a lot <.<;; wasn't on purpose
05:50:48 <Halcyon> Oh gawd no that would irritate the crap out of me
05:50:54 <Ampera> hahahaha
05:51:01 <Halcyon> Anyway time to go to work :(
05:51:02 <Halcyon> Later
05:51:06 <Ampera> enjoy being dead inside
05:51:11 <Halcyon> \o/
05:51:13 * Ampera hugs Halcyon
05:51:18 * ThunderSqueak offers Halcyon a hug.
05:52:20 <Ampera> what have you been up to, anyways, ThunderSqueak
05:52:25 <Ampera> haven't seen you around in a while
05:52:33 * T3sl4 pinches Halcyon on his way out
05:55:18 <ThunderSqueak> Ampera, job hunting mostly
05:55:34 <Ampera> any recent luck?
05:57:34 <ThunderSqueak> I turned one down sadly :/
05:58:20 <ThunderSqueak> was a contract for the state but they were being really demanding for stupid things that started getting more and more sketch so I declined
05:58:26 <Ampera> Just out of curiosity, have you gotten a vaccine yet? I'm getting my first shot tomorrow. I know AK has one of the highest percentage fully vaccinated in the nation
05:58:50 <ThunderSqueak> I have been vaccinated for over a month now, wife is also, I got the pfitzer and she got moderna
05:58:50 <T3sl4> understandable
05:59:02 <Ampera> neat, I'm getting pfizer myself
05:59:21 <Ampera> damn near every vaccine in the state is pfizer, which I suppose makes sense as pfizer is NY company
05:59:27 <ThunderSqueak> no issues, we both got a short flu like effect after the second shot that lasted about 2.5 days for me and hers was about a day.
05:59:37 <Jens> What are people doing for work? I'm an electrician myself.
05:59:38 <Ampera> That's good
05:59:56 <Ampera> I break things and then complain about it professionally.
06:00:00 <T3sl4> engineer
06:00:06 <ThunderSqueak> the way it effected me I was like "shit no wonder I lost 6 relatives in 2019, if the vaccine is hitting me this hard, I am scared of what the actual virus would do"
06:00:15 <Jens> Ampera: Sounds like fun :D
06:00:35 <T3sl4> Ampera, QA/testing innit?
06:00:40 <T3sl4> as they put it more formally :P
06:00:42 <ThunderSqueak> almost engineer that has worked in the industry for about a decade <.<;;
06:00:57 <ThunderSqueak> before that, 20 years of IT
06:01:02 <Ampera> QA != tester, QA is a more complex position
06:01:09 <Jens> Electrical I assume, given where we are.
06:01:15 <Ampera> no, software
06:01:25 <T3sl4> and speaking of, i need to schedule vax, it's open to general public in WI soon/now
06:01:39 <Ampera> good luck, T3sl4
06:01:42 Quit: arch ([email protected]) Ping timeout: 121 seconds
06:01:48 <Ampera> I'm amazed at how quickly I got my appointment
06:02:24 <T3sl4> eh, it varies by location, some states have better supply lines, some towns are better supplied, etc.
06:02:45 <T3sl4> and all the stuff supporting those supplies, ofc
06:02:47 <ThunderSqueak> and yeah, AK is about 27% fully vaccinated, the Native hospital here did a good job at tracking all of the Natives American people down and vaccinating us
06:02:52 <Ampera> I'm wondering if we don't make a lot of the vaccine, we seem to have a fairly large supply
06:03:38 <ThunderSqueak> several places are now stopping the J&J vaccine use as of this morning, apparently there have been a few blood clot issues
06:04:01 <Ampera> The FDA at least suggested that for the entire nation
06:04:02 <ThunderSqueak> the J&J is not an mRNA one, wasn't it a traditional vaccine made with a modified cold virus?
06:04:06 <Ampera> I don't know if they themselves put a direct halt on it
06:04:10 <Ampera> aye
06:04:21 <T3sl4> yeah i saw that headline the other day, like 6 cases out of 6M+ doses, pretty amazing outcome already
06:04:27 <ThunderSqueak> I know at least one of my siblings got the J&J one
06:04:29 <Ampera> so it's looking like it may have similar problems to the AZ one
06:04:35 <ThunderSqueak> he had no issues
06:05:13 <Ampera> I'd say it seems like a bit of an overreaction (who knows, maybe pfizer or moderna have their hands in it), but for all I know they were expecting this, and are concerned of something bigger
06:05:15 <T3sl4> the outcomes for all of them have been just stupendous
06:05:52 <ThunderSqueak> yeah, it has been pretty good for the mass rollout
06:06:02 <T3sl4> just as likely such a low rate is due to particulars of how/when it was administered, or some particular vulnerability of the patients
06:06:17 <Ampera> Don't worry, there's still time for something dumb to fuck up and turn us all into talking eggplants
06:06:18 <T3sl4> no way they'd be able to test that low of a chance in the trials
06:06:38 <T3sl4> 🍆💦
06:07:05 <ThunderSqueak> Ampera, well I read yesterday they used an RNA based treatment and helped cure blindness with it. It modified the person's eyes
06:07:27 <Ampera> sounds neat
06:07:32 <ThunderSqueak> so, that is actually pretty cool and also a bit scary, like any worthwhile tool
06:07:39 <T3sl4> also it's funny to me, because i know a guy who plays a randomizer as the eggplant player graphics. at least one person is way ahead of you there :P
06:08:33 <ThunderSqueak> how odd, one of my metal mixing bowls cracked
06:08:41 <Ampera> that's metal dood
06:08:58 <ThunderSqueak> looks like a stress crack, wonder what happened
06:09:01 <T3sl4> yeah what's amazing about medicine is, last century we saw a huge reduction in acute conditions, and management of chronic and congenital ones; and this century we have the chance of fundamentally /fixing/ congenital ones
06:09:44 <Ampera> if only I was born a hundred years later, maybe they could have fixed me :P
06:09:50 <T3sl4> the dream of last century's eugenicists can finally be realized, just, you know, the medically good parts, with none of the forced sterilization and overt racism
06:09:57 <ThunderSqueak> I expect that they will use it for cosmetic stuff before they fix congenital issues with the way our capitalist economy seems to work XD
06:09:58 <T3sl4> they yet might Ampera :)
06:10:14 <ThunderSqueak> we will end up with blue people that look like they belong on the avatar movie
06:10:26 <Ampera> is that a fear or a wish
06:10:32 <ThunderSqueak> fear :P
06:10:40 * ThunderSqueak likes being a human
06:10:52 <Ampera> hooman
06:11:07 <ThunderSqueak> point being, our priorities seem to be really off lately as a people
06:11:13 <T3sl4> ThunderSqueak: yeah, i don't expect customized designer gene therapies exactly taking over the world until health care is nationalized, while the cost of them comes down
06:11:32 <ThunderSqueak> T3sl4, most likely just for the rich people
06:12:15 <T3sl4> designer skin tone, and permanent hair color changes, would be interesting vanity mods tho
06:12:47 <ThunderSqueak> yeah would be cool, my wife could get the red hair she seems to want :P
06:13:03 <Ampera> designed skin tone sounds like something that'd cause absolutely no social problems whatsoever
06:13:05 <Ampera> *designer
06:13:13 <T3sl4> the red and the black, mmm
06:13:31 <T3sl4> erm, i may be assuming too much there but i would guess given your native heritage, you have black hair :P
06:13:33 <ThunderSqueak> well you can technically make your skin perma blue :P
06:13:37 <Ampera> Red hair sounds nice, I've thought if I could have any natural hair color, red would be nice
06:13:44 <T3sl4> or grayish anyway (argyrosis)
06:13:50 <ThunderSqueak> T3sl4, yeah my hair is a soft black naturally
06:14:02 <Ampera> my hair is a very dark brown
06:14:12 <ThunderSqueak> if I want to dye it another color I go to a pro, it is too dark to dye
06:14:14 * T3sl4 roasts Amperas over an open fire
06:14:19 <Ampera> nothing close to charcoal, but not light either
06:14:35 <T3sl4> hrm, "chestnut" is lighter than that tho, innit
06:14:36 <ThunderSqueak> Ampera, yeah depending on light mine can look dark dark brown
06:14:37 <T3sl4> nvm
06:14:55 <Ampera> T3sl4, that sounds like an ideal camping trip, around the fire while all my friends pick apart my faults and failures
06:15:31 * T3sl4 gnaws on one of Ampera's misgivings and tosses the remaining doubt to the dogs to chew on
06:15:33 <ThunderSqueak> my wife is Native too, same amount but she is blond
06:15:47 <T3sl4> oh weird/neat
06:16:06 <ThunderSqueak> she can dye her hair any color she wants >
06:16:08 <Ampera> blonde would also be a nice hair color to have
06:16:08 <ThunderSqueak> ><
06:16:27 <T3sl4> i guess mixed with just enough caucasian to do that, or, those families that got the random mutation
06:16:29 <Ampera> like all humans which are so vain, any color and style is great, save for the one I have now.
06:16:46 <ThunderSqueak> we are both 1/4
06:17:10 <ThunderSqueak> also both are about 5% asian
06:17:24 <Ampera> neat
06:17:31 <ThunderSqueak> you can see that in my light olive skin tone
06:17:45 <Ampera> if my skin tone were any whiter, I'd be transparent
06:17:50 <Ampera> good thing I tan well
06:17:53 <ThunderSqueak> I can pass for white
06:18:18 <ThunderSqueak> depends who is looking I guess, I get asked if I am Native by other Natives *shrug*
06:18:52 <Ampera> I'd imagine people wish to find as much of them present within those who are around them
06:19:12 <ThunderSqueak> my one structure is the most often cited "clue"
06:19:19 <T3sl4> mediterranian, if not for, i assume your face is more asian than european
06:19:20 <ThunderSqueak> my bone structure*
06:19:58 <ThunderSqueak> I look pretty european too, the rest of my ancestry is mostly Irish and Norwegian apparently
06:20:15 <T3sl4> or that :D
06:20:16 <ThunderSqueak> Hazel eye color
06:20:42 <Ampera> My genetics were carefully selected by my forebears for the sole purpose of creating the most hideous individual to have ever been created
06:21:13 <ThunderSqueak> heh
06:21:16 <T3sl4> hey now Ampera, you may be a perversion, but at least you aren't a chihuahua
06:21:19 <hsn> T3sl4: my face is asian not assian
06:21:30 <T3sl4> your face is hsnnian
06:21:37 <hsn> True
06:22:19 * Ysjoelfir cuddles hsn
06:22:31 <hsn> Hooi u managed to get alive
06:22:33 <Ampera> this is a hilarious story: https://nypost.com/2021/04/13/biden-reportedly-once-praised-gov-cuomos-enormous-balls/
06:22:38 <Ysjoelfir> I did
06:22:49 <hsn> How was ur experience .. i think u didnt like it
06:22:54 <Ysjoelfir> I ate a whole baguette with ham and cheese just now
06:23:04 <Ampera> Cuomo is a stove, and all of America is adding to the fire
06:23:06 <Ysjoelfir> and I feel kinda great. though I HIGHLY missed my tea
06:23:22 <hsn> Lol .. did u eat like everyday portion ?
06:23:26 <Ampera> I think he may one of the most hated men in America
06:23:36 <Ysjoelfir> I ate like... a 2 day portion
06:23:49 <hsn> Whaat .. no somthing is wrong xD
06:23:53 * ThunderSqueak scares T3sl4 with an image of herself.
06:24:07 <Ysjoelfir> like a 40cm baguette bread with 6 slices of ham, 3 slices of cheese and nice spicy sauce
06:24:07 <T3sl4> :o
06:24:08 <hsn> U should feel very full by eating small portion
06:24:14 * Ampera scares T3sl4 with something much scarier, a picture of T3sl4
06:24:59 <Ampera> There is no individual more threatening, dangerous, and capable of causing one harm than one's own self
06:25:09 <Ampera> and as such, there is no individual one should be more terrified of.
06:25:09 <Ysjoelfir> I feel more than full. I feel terribly full now. :D but it was satisfying. Tomorrow I repeat that fastening thing, but I allow myself tea. I think that works better in regards of the appetite
06:25:22 <hsn> Ampera .. im harmful
06:25:31 <Ampera> no you're hsnful
06:26:01 <hsn> :( u americans cant make me win a sentance
06:26:17 <Ampera> but i'm german tho
06:26:22 <hsn> Ysjoelfir: woah so u liked the experience
06:26:34 <hsn> No Ampera u r in usa right?
06:26:41 <hsn> U living in ?
06:26:42 * T3sl4 toasts Ysjoelfir ('s sandwich)
06:26:50 <Ampera> I'm not living at the moment, I'm quite dead.
06:26:58 <Ysjoelfir> kind of. I think I have to tweak it a bit to my style.
06:27:04 * Ysjoelfir hands T3sl4 some beans
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06:27:12 <Ampera> sometimes I'm tempted to say fuck it and just not eat for a week
06:27:17 * T3sl4 shall cherish these beans
06:27:17 <Ampera> then I end up eating
06:27:33 * Ampera beans Ysjoelfir with some legumes
06:27:55 <Ysjoelfir> whats that
06:28:05 <Ampera> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legume
06:28:32 <Ysjoelfir> that looks like beans
06:28:45 <Ampera> not all of them are beans
06:28:47 * T3sl4 checks Ampera's Pulse
06:28:50 <Ampera> for example, peanuts are not beans
06:29:12 * Ampera 's heart performs a smooth jazz drum solo for T3sl4
06:29:53 * Ysjoelfir checked the translation and now knows what a legume is
06:30:11 <Ampera> yeah, a legume is a legume
06:30:15 <Ampera> aka a legume
06:30:26 * T3sl4 drowns Ampera in lentils
06:30:38 * Ampera drowns T3sl4 in lentil capacitors
06:30:42 <Ysjoelfir> I thought it was a specific plant, not a.. "category"
06:31:09 <T3sl4> yeah, it's a type definition
06:31:41 <Ampera> typedef struct weirdos{ person T3sl4; person Ysjoelfir; person hsn}weirdos;
06:32:03 * Ampera puts an extra semicolon where it's missing
06:32:05 <T3sl4> #define typedef hug
06:32:07 * Ysjoelfir is a boole
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06:37:37 * T3sl4 trues Ysjoelfir
06:38:12 <Ysjoelfir> \o/
06:38:39 * Ampera sets Ysjoelfir = 2
06:38:48 * Ysjoelfir explodes
06:39:10 * ThunderSqueak sets Ysjoelfir = -1
06:39:29 * Ysjoelfir generates a critical error
06:40:11 <ThunderSqueak> +++ divide by cucumber +++ reboot multiverse and try again +++
06:40:47 <T3sl4> Ampera: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAwJlD-m_hE
06:41:35 <hsn> wierdos.hsn.DanceNaked();
06:41:48 <Ysjoelfir> weeeeeee
06:41:57 * T3sl4 generates a clerical error
06:42:02 * Ysjoelfir hides ThunderSqueak 's eyes
06:42:08 <Ampera> &Ysjoelfir = malloc(sizeof(Ysjoelfir) * 1000); for(unsigned i = 0; i < 1000; i++) Ysjoelfir[i] = i % 2;
06:42:10 <Ysjoelfir> or.. covers
06:42:22 * Ysjoelfir does.... something
06:42:28 <hsn> Wierdos.ysjoelfir.doWierdosStuff();
06:42:29 * T3sl4 pipes urandom > Ampera
06:42:54 <Ampera> dd if=/dev/T3sl4 of=/dev/T3sl4
06:43:06 <T3sl4> thatsmyfetish.gif
06:43:33 <hsn> Wait .. is that legal for dd to have if = of?
06:44:04 <ThunderSqueak> wtf is on the tv... it is autoplaying and apparently just played a scene in the movie of year one where the guy throws his testicle at jack black
06:44:05 <T3sl4> if it is, would it just be a loopback? might be useful for tty i suppose
06:44:41 <ThunderSqueak> youtube autoplay is weird
06:45:40 <T3sl4> i leave it off
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09:14:36 <rust_collector> My thing was pretty big today, In my opinion
09:16:41 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Retweet: xjet: Anyone who watched Dave Jones' @TheAmpHour podcast in which I appeared might be interested in this video. https://t.co/QC0hyOXg2y
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09:23:52 <rust_collector> not very interesting, but big-ish
09:34:24 <arch> that's not what she said
09:38:50 <electrohead> lol
09:40:54 <steve30> https://flickr.com/photos/184542521@N08/48804751036/in/dateposted/
09:49:40 <arch> steve30, https://www-s.mlo.me/upen/v/tb2017/tb201711/tb20171122/3c4e0b34-e460-40a3-937f-023090638479.jpg
09:53:19 <coppice> arch: I think that maid has her uniform on backwards
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09:54:29 <arch> who cares. it's cute
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10:33:16 <rust_collector> it is not cute, it is backwards
10:34:40 * T3sl4 flips rust_collector
10:35:26 <rust_collector> you are making this difficult. this is sort of cute
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10:56:02 <arch> focken hell...i thought i applied enough slope comp, but guess not. look at this current sense waveform. that's subharmonic oscillation right? https://imgur.com/a/dVUPKVz
10:57:58 <arch> i checked the frequency is constant between pulses. the duty cycle is varying quite a bit
10:59:32 <arch> my disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined
11:02:13 <arch> looks like it's at a 1/6th of the switching frequency, that subharmonic
11:02:19 <arch> ~53kHz
11:03:10 <arch> so much bullshit, so little time...
11:03:44 <arch> that explains the remaining hiss i suppose. it's definitely a lot less than before, but i still need a bit more slope comp
11:03:53 <arch> sounds like fkin tv static
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11:19:50 <arch> i'll be back to complain when T3sl4 is around :3
11:19:57 <T3sl4> buh
11:20:10 <arch> i iz pisszorz
11:20:18 <arch> about slope comp. not having too much luck
11:20:22 <T3sl4> that's a metric fuckton of DC
11:20:30 <T3sl4> use like 1/4 the inductor dood
11:20:48 <arch> what, i used a 10uH coupled inductor, for 300khz
11:20:59 <arch> 10uh single winding inductance
11:21:25 <arch> what do you mean by DC?
11:21:41 <T3sl4> compared to ripple
11:21:47 <T3sl4> your ripple fraction is way too low
11:21:57 <T3sl4> or load current is too high
11:22:22 <arch> that is a startup waveform from output caps fully discharged
11:22:43 <T3sl4> then reduce current limit
11:23:29 * electrohead reduces arch
11:23:49 * T3sl4 oxidizes electrohead
11:24:34 <T3sl4> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIKMjbedXU8
11:25:00 <electrohead> I had a fealing that was going to be fear factory lol
11:25:16 <electrohead> love playing along to that one
11:25:38 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Retweet: MostlyHarmless: @eevblog Not much variety right now. It just wants me to watch people named Dave! https://t.co/yAtSAFzWUj
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11:49:53 <arch> i thought you put something from Fear Factor lol
11:49:58 <arch> then my ears got blasted
11:53:17 <electrohead> :D
11:54:45 <MrMobodies> Hello
12:04:10 <electrohead> hey
12:05:03 <rust_collector> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OChXBy_nZrQ
12:05:09 <rust_collector> for you old people
12:06:07 <electrohead> \m/
12:07:20 <MrMobodies> it reminds me a bit Kerrang
12:08:01 <MrMobodies> I have a headache
12:08:27 <MrMobodies> from something I forgot to do
12:08:45 <MrMobodies> I setup a template profile but the open/save directories kept on defaulting
12:09:33 <MrMobodies> turned out I forgot to remove all the folders in "libraries" before I hid it and it seemed to be interfering.
12:10:33 <MrMobodies> you when you set something up with settings and it just ignores what you set... so frustrating over something very little
12:10:57 <MrMobodies> I went out earlier to the local pub
12:11:09 <MrMobodies> they're opened and put tents outside
12:11:37 <MrMobodies> it's been a long time since i saw anybody
12:12:31 <MrMobodies> unfortunately no pub dog to share my crisps, I heard it dies last Christmas from a bad stomach.
12:13:17 <MrMobodies> I noticed they put up new cameras and have built a games room in the back
12:17:08 <rust_collector> they had to do something, in all that time. might as well play some games
12:17:38 <rust_collector> well, it is getting early, good night
12:17:59 <MrMobodies> night
12:33:15 <MrMobodies> Is it my perception or is Dave Jones sounding a bit disappointed about his new panels?
12:33:32 <hsn> Hell
12:33:50 <MrMobodies> with the mistake on the input of the inverters
12:33:57 <MrMobodies> I'd go bezerk if that wa sme
12:34:39 <hsn> MrMobodies: im not sure ... Probably i saw few minutes of the video
12:34:50 <MrMobodies> It reminds me 2 decades ago when some ATX power supply manufacturers advertised them by the peak wattage assuming the users wasn't going to use the maximum power continuously.
12:34:59 <hsn> He was like "in australia its not like that"
12:35:22 <MrMobodies> and then there benchmarking tests and videos of them blowing up on their "advertised" loads.
12:35:44 <MrMobodies> well actually some barely made past half
12:36:26 <hsn> The worst part is that ive to go to work after 2.5hours and i cant sleep yet
12:36:31 <MrMobodies> oh
12:36:46 <MrMobodies> what's stopping you from sleeping?
12:37:02 <hsn> Idk im on bed for 3 hours now
12:37:22 <hsn> Mr.sleep doesn't like me today
12:37:58 <MrMobodies> I have experienced that sometimes
12:38:16 <hsn> I stop using phone .. wait for 30-40 mins .. get bored .. open it again
12:38:45 <hsn> Insomnia?
12:38:57 <MrMobodies> Bailey's Irish cream might help but then might oversleep
12:39:52 <hsn> Liquor
12:40:28 <hsn> Sounds not good idea for a fasting muslim lol
12:40:29 <MrMobodies> lots of it in a glass full of ice
12:40:32 <MrMobodies> oh
12:40:41 <MrMobodies> you are a Muslim
12:40:51 <hsn> Yeah the non bomb kind lol
12:41:10 <MrMobodies> I know I can't sleep well when I am hungry
12:42:01 <hsn> The thing .. I didnt sleep well yesterday .. so i slept today 1 hour from 1-2am ..
12:42:21 <hsn> Then i woke .. ate stuff .. and cant sleep again ..
12:42:49 <hsn> We usually eat at ~2am in the fasting days
12:44:09 <hsn> My mind is in thinking mood i think .. if i try to sleep again it will start thinking about dave's solar panels or something ..
12:44:10 <MrMobodies> too much energy?
12:44:38 <MrMobodies> well I feel quite bad for Dave
12:45:00 <MrMobodies> he was all pleased and that
12:45:25 <MrMobodies> until directed to bits of product specifications
12:45:25 <hsn> He probably invested alot?
12:45:43 <MrMobodies> I expect honesty in things like that
12:46:18 <MrMobodies> 295w inverter ( has the capability in handling up to 400w capped)
12:46:42 <hsn> So did the previous solar system he has paid the investment?
12:46:43 <MrMobodies> that's why I'd expect to see
12:46:58 <MrMobodies> I am not sure he did say about some clouds
12:47:01 <MrMobodies> and he seemed happy with it
12:47:13 <MrMobodies> I think was from 2013 or so
12:47:17 <MrMobodies> I know mine did
12:47:24 <MrMobodies> until I moved
12:47:40 <hsn> Yeah he mentioned 8years ago
12:47:47 <MrMobodies> with the export tarrif I was making 7p per KWH profit
12:47:50 <hsn> His older system
12:48:01 <hsn> 7p?
12:48:11 <hsn> Pound?
12:48:12 <MrMobodies> I was paying 15p per killowat unit
12:48:26 <MrMobodies> and for the export I got back 22p per Killotwat unit
12:48:38 <MrMobodies> so 7p profit
12:48:50 <MrMobodies> it was unsustainable though
12:49:01 <MrMobodies> I think it should have been capped to market prices
12:49:15 <hsn> But .. u were generating same kwhs u were consuming?
12:49:20 <MrMobodies> so if I pay 15p for electricty I get it back
12:49:31 <MrMobodies> about 4kwh inverter
12:49:46 <MrMobodies> I was using some of the power
12:49:50 <MrMobodies> for my servers and that
12:50:12 <MrMobodies> and we got about ÂŁ300 back every quarter and discounts off the bill
12:50:26 <MrMobodies> that is the only thing I miss about moving
12:50:48 <MrMobodies> I want solar panels but waiting for the tarrifs (as they stopped it)
12:51:08 <MrMobodies> but if the worst comes to the worst I'd have to install batteries
12:51:29 <hsn> In hereu need around 3100kwh per month in summer
12:51:49 <hsn> 100kwh per day
12:52:55 <MrMobodies> that's nice
12:53:08 <hsn> Air conditioners have to be on almost 24hours
12:57:07 <MrMobodies> https://i.imgur.com/vErIvoZ.jpg
12:57:15 <MrMobodies> I don't think it produces much compared to yours
12:57:35 <MrMobodies> that was on the day I moved
12:58:48 <rust_collector> morningz!
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12:59:02 <MrMobodies> by year
12:59:03 <MrMobodies> https://i.imgur.com/QWO5ajJ.jpg
12:59:09 <MrMobodies> morning
12:59:32 <rust_collector> and what a great morning it is
12:59:47 <MrMobodies> rust_collector, what is your view on Dave's new solar panel?
13:00:10 <MrMobodies> do you sense some deception?
13:00:11 <rust_collector> I have not seen anything about them, I dunno?
13:00:30 <MrMobodies> He ordered 5kw worth of solar panels I think
13:00:48 <MrMobodies> but the micro inverts can only handle 295w (4kw) power
13:01:15 <MrMobodies> and argument being from the manufacturer that it won't reach it's full capacity and it will make it last longer
13:01:21 <MrMobodies> if I didn't misunderstood it
13:01:24 <rust_collector> but, from my experience, delivering that kind of stuff to people, it is getting pretty common, so I guess the sellers can go both ways, ebay specs, or conservative specs
13:01:49 <MrMobodies> it reminds 20 years ago with ATX power supplies
13:02:08 <MrMobodies> some manufactures use to advertise them by peak watts and some even over rated them
13:02:30 <rust_collector> eeh, he got 5k panels, and almost 4k inverters, and that was supposed to make what last longer?
13:02:34 <MrMobodies> under assumptions that the users will never continusly use all the power
13:02:57 <MrMobodies> but they blew up in tests some barely passing half of their "rated" load
13:02:59 <rust_collector> right
13:03:22 <MrMobodies> that was in his video yesterday
13:03:34 <MrMobodies> he released another one about heat on them reducing their effiency
13:04:03 <MrMobodies> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4ER6I8Y9gA
13:04:45 <MrMobodies> I had a company called Engensa who installed mine
13:04:50 <rust_collector> Maybe I am thinking backwards here, but the panels do panel things, the inverters invert whatever the panels do, so... I think it just sounds wrong? if he got 5k panels, and 6k inverters, that sounds much more safe to me?
13:04:57 <MrMobodies> they were "beating the drum" on monocrystalinne
13:05:19 <MrMobodies> yes in the comments some saifd they don't understand the logic
13:05:28 <MrMobodies> and whether it might heat the inverts up even more
13:05:55 <MrMobodies> Me I don't like micro inverters for the very reason they can run hot
13:06:08 <MrMobodies> I would want to fit some kind of cooling to cool them
13:06:15 <MrMobodies> under the panels where htey are placed
13:06:27 <MrMobodies> don't know how I get something like that working
13:06:36 <rust_collector> meh. I dunno, but I think of the panels as a weird kind of battery. the inverters would have to handle whatever they can be asked to, imo.
13:06:58 <rust_collector> but I don't know a thing about solar crap, and different styles of each device
13:06:58 <MrMobodies> I think what they are doing is misleading
13:07:34 <MrMobodies> would be honest just to say 295w inverters (capabable of driving 400w panels capped)
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13:07:58 <rust_collector> but they don't drive a panel?
13:08:07 <rust_collector> and what is capped anyway?
13:08:30 <MrMobodies> 370W panels, 295w inverters
13:08:54 <MrMobodies> 295w inverters over rated
13:09:05 <rust_collector> yes
13:09:50 <rust_collector> capable of handling 500w panels, as long as you cover the panels with plywood, that makes sense
13:10:33 <rust_collector> I am happy that I do not really have to think about that sort of crap, lol
13:10:38 <MrMobodies> https://i.imgur.com/UQ9vqT4.jpg
13:12:52 <rust_collector> I am missing what the w- and w+ means in that.
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13:15:06 <rust_collector> oh well, I am sure they will hear about it, lol
13:15:34 <MrMobodies> https://midsummerwholesale.co.uk/buy/enphase/iq7+
13:15:37 <rust_collector> dave is a guy that has several words, and likes to make people hear them, I believe
13:15:49 <MrMobodies> "Enphase Energy’s IQ 7+ Microinverter was designed for modern high powered solar modules and is compatible with 60-cell and 72-cell panels up to 440 watts"
13:16:13 <MrMobodies> compatbile up to 440w when they can only 295w per inverter
13:16:30 <MrMobodies> it reminds me of the HDTV thing they did in the UK 10 years ago
13:16:58 <MrMobodies> they were putting "HDTV Compatible" logos on Non hdtv tv that can only do low resolution
13:17:10 <MrMobodies> in theory they could put that sticker on a black and white telvision
13:17:24 <MrMobodies> the marketting seems a bit dishonest to me
13:19:42 <rust_collector> nono, it says it can output 295w of ac. or va... you can probably pair them with 1000w panels, but that would not be "common"
13:21:45 <MrMobodies> here's a joke, Dave's old solar system was a "string"
13:21:59 <MrMobodies> now this one has it's own strings with the inverter
13:22:05 <MrMobodies> with the capping i mean
13:22:13 <MrMobodies> it looks good and I hear good reviews about
13:22:30 <rust_collector> I still have no idea what the capping means, but
13:22:35 <MrMobodies> maybe loosing a bit of power would be the only disadvantage
13:22:36 <MrMobodies> oooooh
13:23:01 <MrMobodies> a panel can do 375w
13:23:10 <MrMobodies> the max the inverter can output is only 295w
13:23:15 <rust_collector> yes?
13:23:17 <MrMobodies> according to the video Dave did
13:23:32 <MrMobodies> so it is capped at 295w
13:23:37 <rust_collector> that is what the datasheet says also...
13:24:25 <rust_collector> ok, I was just not sure if the term had a special meaning in these systems
13:25:13 <MrMobodies> I don't mean the datahsheet
13:25:24 <MrMobodies> I mean some of the marketting materials about it
13:26:11 <rust_collector> so yes, I guess that does make some sense, no, you will not be able to use the full rated power of the panels, but even if it is a less sunny day, he will still get his 295va. I dunno?
13:26:42 <MrMobodies> that's is the manufacturers argument
13:27:01 <MrMobodies> you won't always benefit if with a inverters that matches the solar panels
13:28:06 <MrMobodies> aaah
13:28:07 <MrMobodies> https://store.enphase.com/storefront/en-us/enphase-iq7-micro-inverter-iq7plus-72-2-us
13:28:11 <MrMobodies> says it right there
13:28:14 <MrMobodies> can't fault them
13:29:06 <rust_collector> no, I think this seems to be as it is supposed to, if I got it right
13:29:22 <MrMobodies> I don't know how he got mistaken
13:29:25 <MrMobodies> "Module Pairing 235 W - 440 W +
13:29:25 <MrMobodies> Peak Output Power 295W AC
13:29:25 <MrMobodies> Continuous Output Power 290W AC"
13:30:05 <MrMobodies> 295W inverts can handle 235w to 440 panels
13:30:16 <rust_collector> I think it is weird that "mr datasheet" would miss that. But I do not know what they told him.
13:30:30 <MrMobodies> I think it maybe word of mouth
13:30:38 <MrMobodies> got to watch his solar panel video again
13:31:16 <rust_collector> Ok, I will go and not watch it for the first time. I will try to go to bed again
13:31:23 <MrMobodies> I'd be devastated by principle...
13:31:47 <MrMobodies> if someone did that to me, in fact it happened quite a few times
13:32:24 <MrMobodies> Engensa advertising monocrystalline "beating their drums" then selling me some crap polycrystallne
13:32:24 <EEVBlog> And the horse you rode in on, MrMobodies!
13:32:33 <MrMobodies> I complained about their website recommended it and they changed it over
13:32:49 <MrMobodies> horse?
13:33:20 <MrMobodies> aah, I see, I thought there was something to it, but it turned out to be nothing
13:33:28 <MrMobodies> if that what the horse thing means
13:33:48 <rust_collector> horse?
13:34:37 <MrMobodies> a descrepancy but my mistake I do get paranoid and suspicious easily and end up tripping over myself on that basis and if that is the case I am sorry.
13:35:11 <rust_collector> uhm, where do you see horse?
13:35:17 <MrMobodies> if the horse thing is what I am thinking of
13:36:00 <MrMobodies> I thought marketting materials on some site didn't show it clearly but it is shown the manufacturers website shop properly and with the datasheet
13:36:20 <MrMobodies> aaah, I was too quick to blame,
13:36:25 <MrMobodies> that's it I think
13:36:44 <rust_collector> i think they got this right
13:36:47 <MrMobodies> "The idiom “and the horse you rode in on”, usually preceded by a far more unfriendly phrase, tends to be directed at someone who's full of himself and unwelcome to boot."
13:37:13 <rust_collector> ah, oh, ok
13:37:15 <MrMobodies> Did I do anything wrong?
13:37:19 <rust_collector> nah
13:38:00 <rust_collector> asking for other peoples opinion is not wrong, most of the time
13:39:37 <MrMobodies> maybe I am saying too much
13:39:43 <MrMobodies> and upsetting some people
13:40:42 <rust_collector> I would not worry much about that.
13:41:00 <MrMobodies> I think I might be annoying Ampera by saying too much
13:41:05 <MrMobodies> so I'll be quite for a while
13:43:41 <rust_collector> well, you do say a lot, when you get started. but I don't think it is a big problem. There are some times when I wonder who put extra many coins in your slot, lol
13:44:11 <rust_collector> but most of us here do, except those who almost never say anything
13:44:32 <MrMobodies> extra coins in my slot?
13:45:02 <MrMobodies> well I am just curious
13:45:03 <rust_collector> like on those old game machines, when you put a coin in, to play
13:45:50 <rust_collector> curious is good. don't worry too much about it.
13:46:28 <MrMobodies> but yeah I'd be upset if I was in the position intentional or not.
13:46:50 <MrMobodies> with the inverter clipping
13:47:08 <MrMobodies> if it wasn't explained or even if i missed it
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13:47:21 <MrMobodies> one of those things I suppose
13:47:24 <Guest|65367> 3D-printed rectifying antenna
13:47:41 <rust_collector> heh
13:47:43 <Guest|65367> Anyone seen anything about this? https://newatlas.com/energy/5g-energy-harvesting-wireless-power/
13:48:30 <rust_collector> heh, no, not yet.
13:48:44 <rust_collector> well, I am going to bed, have fun
13:49:08 <Guest|65367> Would love to see some calculations on this haha goodnight~
13:49:42 <Guest|65367> https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/321316-new-3d-printed-antenna-can-harvest-power-from-5g-signals
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16:28:57 <Lemon> pffff the gpib card I wanted sold 1 hour before I asked the guy
16:29:01 <Lemon> deception deception
16:29:50 <Ysjoelfir> lol
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16:36:08 <Lemon> I found an agilent one, for 50
16:36:15 <Lemon> gonna hope the guy accepts paypal/to send it
16:36:58 <Lemon> ho and dude ! I wanted to build a contraption, a box with a big safety button or a few of them to shutdown parts of my lab
16:37:06 <Lemon> and why not connectors to connect the power analyzer
16:37:12 <Lemon> so I can see how much everything is guzzling
16:37:14 <Lemon> watcha think ?
16:37:22 <Ysjoelfir> sounds great, I like the idea
16:38:21 <Lemon> yeah ? :D
16:38:31 <Lemon> do you think its doable withing a reasonnable budget ?
16:38:38 <Lemon> I have shrouded connectors from you so its fine
16:38:42 <Ysjoelfir> sure, should cost close to nothing
16:38:46 <Lemon> then I need those biggass safety buttons
16:38:50 <Lemon> I love those xd
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16:39:08 <Ysjoelfir> take a look at china, they are not that expensive over there
16:39:09 <Lemon> I also need to put the variac you gave me in a big box
16:39:16 <Ysjoelfir> in europe they are insanely expensive though
16:39:21 <Lemon> ha yes !
16:39:25 <Lemon> doesnt matter too much ?
16:40:00 <Lemon> you gave me so much thingies
16:40:06 <Lemon> I need to make good use of them :>
16:41:06 <Ysjoelfir> nah, its fine. I have a china "Mushroom Head Switch" (the big red emergency stop ones) on my bench if you remember. Its from china and was like.... 4€? use that every day to switch the bench on and off, works fine
16:41:57 <Lemon> ha yes thats what I want !
16:43:14 <Ysjoelfir> is that sand guy already up?
16:43:19 * Ysjoelfir calls for hsn
16:45:23 <Erhard> lol@ the big red button
16:46:52 <Lemon> hmmm question, do I want a 220VAC rated one ?
16:46:58 <Lemon> yes I do I guess
16:47:10 <Ysjoelfir> yes, you do
16:47:13 <Lemon> 6 amps sounds enough, I doubt it will use that much
16:47:14 <Erhard> I wish I had 240V Variac.
16:47:19 <Erhard> I have a 20A 120V one
16:47:29 <Erhard> But would be nice for amplifiers, etc. to have the 240V
16:47:32 <Lemon> I think the one I have goes up to that no ?
16:47:36 <Lemon> im not sure as I never used it
16:47:48 <Erhard> What country are you in?
16:47:49 <Lemon> I also wonder how many amps it can provides
16:47:55 <Erhard> IN the US 240V is not standard.
16:47:57 <Lemon> france, it comes from Ysjoelfir :>
16:48:06 <Ysjoelfir> Erhard: well, obviously you don't want to use those for any serious, production level safety tasks. but for home use they are fine.
16:48:11 <Erhard> What voltage is France?
16:48:26 <Lemon> 220 but I think its a german one ?
16:48:28 <Ysjoelfir> Lemon, it was definitely a 240V one. I don't remember the amps, but I would guess that its 2A or more.
16:48:38 <Lemon> ho ok nice !
16:48:39 <Erhard> Not sure what safety task you would use it for.
16:48:46 <Erhard> An auto-transformer is not isolated.
16:48:49 <Lemon> what happens if you over charge it a bit ?
16:48:56 <Ysjoelfir> most variacs go a bit over that as well, so be carefull and add a voltmeter.
16:49:01 <Lemon> Id use it to power an oldass 110v device
16:49:14 <Erhard> YEah, MIne will go up to about 145V old with 120V in
16:49:17 <Lemon> yes I got two analog meters for it, 0-300v and 0-5a
16:49:41 <Lemon> I will cal it and maybe mechanically limit it ?
16:49:46 <Lemon> (in voltage)
16:49:58 <Erhard> I use mine for repair of gear. I use it in line with an isolation transformer.
16:50:54 <Ysjoelfir> nah, don't do that Lemon, some times you want to go a bit over. eg for testing a circuit you built, how/if it reacts to overvoltage
16:51:04 <Lemon> ha ok !
16:51:10 <Lemon> then I'll just take care
16:51:19 <Lemon> I guess nothing will use that much amps anyway
16:51:25 <Lemon> so 2 sounds fine
16:51:33 <Erhard> I just use a cheap Chinese meter attached to mine. Will show current and VOltage
16:51:44 <Erhard> Accuracy checks out mine on a real meter
16:51:57 <Erhard> I have that all on an outlet box with a GFCI
16:53:07 <Lemon> I thought two analog meters would look good :>
16:53:12 <Lemon> they are just chinese thingies
16:53:17 <Erhard> They would look much beter
16:53:27 <Erhard> Back-lit even better
16:53:28 <Lemon> do I need some kind of shunt for the ammeter ?
16:53:33 <Lemon> ha yes !
16:53:35 <Erhard> Depends on the meter
16:53:36 <Lemon> they arent
16:53:46 <Lemon> its rated for 0 to 5 amps
16:53:49 <Lemon> so its fine no ?
16:53:54 <Erhard> For 5 Amps, yes
16:54:00 <Lemon> ok !
16:54:01 <Erhard> Did it come with a shunt?
16:54:06 <Lemon> nope
16:54:12 <Lemon> but you know, chinese stuff
16:54:15 <Erhard> So it has one built in?
16:54:16 <Lemon> and Im learning
16:54:20 <Lemon> I hope ? xd
16:54:26 <Lemon> I didnt think about it
16:54:28 <Lemon> lemme get it
16:54:28 <Erhard> I have gottens ome chinese meters that came with a 10A shunt
16:54:50 <Erhard> Not sure I trust it, haven't actually tried
16:55:00 <Lemon> nah just screws
16:55:05 <Lemon> should I open it ?
16:55:11 <Erhard> 10A at 120V or especially 240V is a little scary, demands a lot of respect.
16:55:14 <Lemon> I think I can open just the back
16:55:25 <Lemon> yeah well I t hink I wont go that far
16:55:28 <Lemon> but we never know
16:55:40 <Lemon> lemme pop its hood
16:55:41 <Erhard> What is your application for the Variac?
16:55:48 <Lemon> herrmmm
16:55:52 <Lemon> having a variac ? :P
16:55:58 <Erhard> LOL.
16:56:03 <Lemon> mostly if one day I have an old 110v device
16:56:07 <Erhard> Like I got mine to bring up old equipment slowly.
16:56:13 <Erhard> I see.
16:56:13 <Lemon> and that too yes
16:56:40 <Erhard> I still change out the filter caps before I even do that, but at least maybe you don't have to change every single cap
16:57:25 <Lemon> hmmm thers no much inside
16:57:29 <Lemon> seems a coil
16:57:39 <Lemon> and a wire wrapped to it, that goes out to the two poles
16:57:47 <Lemon> supposedly used to connect it I guess
16:57:59 <Lemon> 2 diodes and resistors on a tiny board
16:58:11 <Erhard> IMpressive they bothered to put diodes on the meter
16:58:21 <Erhard> back to back (to protect the movement)?
16:58:23 <Lemon> really smol ones
16:58:37 <Lemon> lemme take a picture
16:58:40 <Lemon> but I guess yes
16:58:47 <Erhard> {
16:58:57 <Erhard>
16:59:08 <Erhard> Weird
16:59:18 <Erhard> Irssi saved me from pasting a bunch of crap ;-)
17:01:03 <Lemon> https://ibb.co/8bYCkbf
17:01:03 <Lemon> https://ibb.co/8K9S5fD
17:01:10 <Lemon> idk why I used that instead of imgur
17:01:17 <Lemon> I'll put that on the fact I just woke up
17:04:43 <hsn> Ysjoelfir, hi
17:04:45 <hsn> gm to all
17:06:44 <hsn> MrMobodies, what was the size of the solar system .. 13kW ?
17:09:32 <hsn> Ysjoelfir> Erhard: well, obviously you don't want to use those for any serious, production level safety tasks. but for home use they are fine.
17:09:38 <hsn> what component u are talking about
17:10:18 <hsn> Erhard, i saw a video recently of some isolated variac ? wierd ? :D
17:11:26 <Lemon> hello hsn :>
17:11:34 <Lemon> ho btw, for my 0-300 voltmeter
17:11:42 <Lemon> can I try it by plugging it to a supply ?
17:11:47 <Erhard> hsn: I run an isolation transformer into the variac
17:11:49 <Lemon> just to see if it works at least
17:12:37 <hsn> hello there Lemon :>
17:13:34 <hsn> Erhard, https://youtu.be/8o7HtGTvBvA
17:17:30 <Lemon> hmmm about those isolation transformer
17:17:55 <Lemon> is it realisticly buildable with a salvaged transfo ?
17:20:19 <Lemon> I need a 220v to 220vac transfo, right ?
17:20:23 <Lemon> if I understood the logic
17:20:28 <Lemon> I guess that wont be easy to find
17:22:46 <Lemon> I will see that later
17:23:23 <Lemon> first, the safety switch, the variac, and we'll see
17:31:58 <Erhard> If you just need a small boost look up buck and boost transformers and how to use them
17:32:10 <Erhard> Might be helpful, might not.
17:32:13 * Erhard out
17:33:25 <Lemon> ho it was just about an isolation transfo
17:33:29 <Lemon> to protect gear, if needed
17:33:35 <Lemon> but yeah I'll see later
17:33:42 <Lemon> I already have a long list of things I want to do :>
17:40:58 <Lemon> hmmm maybe it would be a great thing to put an isolated transformer with this variac, and why not a breaker too
17:41:07 <Lemon> so it would be safer
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