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01:30 <rust_collector> hmm, the old magirus my uncle had, was a 160hp six. it was not close to quick. but it did go anywhere.
01:50 <rust_collector> and you could build a small apartment under the hood, next to the engine
05:47 <Ysjoelfir> heh. :D
06:06 <Ysjoelfir> I considered adding a canned food heater to the volvos engine apartment for that reason
06:19 <Ysjoelfir> like, a bit over the turbocharger, there is lots of empty space
39:43 <rust_collector> the old bv202 had a cage sort of thing, that you could fit tins in. they used b18 and later b20 motors.
40:35 <Ysjoelfir> lol
48:02 <hsn> nice
48:17 <hsn> Hi Hassan I talked with Taghrid, you know that we would like to have you back in the office but the sequence to be followed is : let your wife also reach recovered status then both of you get tested either 444 or private or home test. Pl return to office once both of you have negative status reports.
48:28 <hsn> got extra few days
48:29 <hsn> :)
59:35 <Ysjoelfir> nice, enjoy your vacation :D
05:19 <hsn> thanks mannn
07:18 <hsn> https://www.digikey.com/en/resources/dkred
49:07 <T3sl4> oh neat, first spring thunderstorm rolling in
52:27 * electrohead yawns and stuff
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10:53 <Ysjoelfir> for some reason we have snow
11:06 <Ysjoelfir> yesterday it was like 20 degrees
11:18 <arch> ey wtf, dk-red could possibly be the next oshpark?
11:22 <arch> $1.5 per sq inch
11:32 <Ysjoelfir> whats that?
11:33 <arch> oshpark is $5 sq inch
11:42 <arch> digikey's pcb fabhouse
12:01 <Ysjoelfir> never knew they had that
13:07 <Kuschelpony> oh we also had a snow storm the last two hours
16:35 <Ysjoelfir> since you are not that far away I kinda expected that :D
18:01 <Kuschelpony> mmh its even back this minute
18:28 <Kuschelpony> yeah, weather can be considerably different over 10km but it can sometimes also be consistent over hundreds
18:56 <Kuschelpony> experiment of the day: strawberry tea from frozen strawberries
19:08 <Ysjoelfir> that sounds nice, I want some
19:10 <Kuschelpony> but probably just ending in a plain mess
19:25 <Kuschelpony> maybe i can tell in half an hour
19:25 <Ysjoelfir> at least if it turns out unmessy
40:36 <Kuschelpony> the mess was not the tea, but around the tea
40:42 <arch> WOOT, 120mV ripple at 2A load! that's pretty good
40:49 <Kuschelpony> luckily im speaking of past events now :)
41:09 <Kuschelpony> still the pot is a bit too hot
44:17 * T3sl4 scritches arch
44:51 * T3sl4 also gives Kuschelpony a brushing
55:48 <arch> T3sl4, you better get the headpats ready. here's my setup. vin=15V, vout=19.3V (loaded); i_out approx 2.4A, ripple is ~120mV. transient response seems to be great, the laptop has not bugged out or crashed and i have it running a 2k Crysis3 gameplay vid, which really stresses the CPU and GPU too: https://imgur.com/a/bkoGf1O
57:42 <arch> tested it all the way up to 30V as well. load regulation is on point. i love this build
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59:14 <arch> bastard left without the headpats... >:(
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59:44 <arch> im gonna let this run for 30 mins then measure the temp
01:24 * Ysjoelfir pats arch instead
01:56 <arch> :3
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02:47 <arch> yikes, running prime95 and my laptop's drawing 3.2A, that's very close to the 3.42A i designed the sepic conv to do
02:48 <Ysjoelfir> though my oppinion is probably way less valuable than that of mr. williams :P
02:59 <arch> this should be interesting
02:59 <Ysjoelfir> push it some mooooore :D
03:13 <Ysjoelfir> you know, destructive testing is fun
04:03 <Ysjoelfir> but you would probably like to do that on a second one and keep the first one as a kind of trophy :D
04:18 <Ysjoelfir> also, have to pick mrs. spouse up from her vaccination thing... brb
05:23 <arch> or you could just leave her there and be freeeee
06:10 <T3sl4> arch: this meme, https://i.redd.it/aatbwp4fg2g51.jpg with your message broken up alongside it, the punchline being "2k crysis3" ... "video"
07:48 <arch> lol
07:54 <arch> im running prime95 right now
08:04 <arch> it stressed it to the max, im at 3.2A @ 14.5V input
08:47 <arch> so input power is 46W. output is a bit less. so maybe 40W with inefficiency
08:58 <arch> assuming 90% efficiency
09:04 <arch> i will do efficiency testing later
09:22 <arch> but this is a very good sign. only bad thing is i can kinda hear the inductor hissing like a snake
10:59 <arch> WOOT, 60C transformer temp. this is good!
11:17 <arch> so it can likely do the full 65W while being under maybe 80C
24:25 <arch> niiice, mosfet temp only 45C, diode's only 50C, and the xfmr is only 62C
25:10 <arch> then again, i have an open enclosure right now. if i were to put it in a box, it'd probably be a lot more
25:25 <arch> i need to buy a thermocouple
27:35 <T3sl4> hissing sound suggests chaos, tho who knows how stable the load is
28:03 <arch> i hear the same noise from any power supply under load
28:13 <T3sl4> theres a lot of ringing on the output, like 3.5x Fsw
28:39 <T3sl4> damp that out and your ripple rms will go down a lot, and vpp a bit i guess
30:02 <T3sl4> https://imgur.com/gallery/YsABrBu
32:36 <arch> running a second test now, basically worst case condition, 12V input voltage
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33:04 <arch> well, i would have made it 11V, but my PSU can only output 4A max in parallel mode
33:44 <arch> actually that ripple im quite happy with. the stock HP adapter had a crapton of ripple
34:01 <arch> 600mV pp to be exact
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36:54 <arch> current sense resistor waveform (directly across), relatively clean: https://i.imgur.com/KakFEsj.png
39:05 <T3sl4> pretty low ripple fraction for still being stable
39:34 <arch> although, i am confused. i thought the current should be the sum of both the output inductor and input inductor. but it seems like im only seeing the one side's current ipp
39:41 <T3sl4> oh, make sure to test it beyond ratings, see how fast Vout drops with increasing load
39:57 <T3sl4> that's one thing that's worsened by slope comp, so it's good to check that it's still safe
40:06 <T3sl4> the frequency foldback helps with that
41:33 <Kuschelpony> just to say, the tea went well
42:05 <Kuschelpony> only thing missing was a kind of "sparkle" that only fresh berries have
42:11 <arch> looks like we're gonna hit about 65C on the xfmr at 12V input. not bad at all
42:31 <arch> at 62C right now
42:44 <arch> 20 mins to go
44:01 <T3sl4> nice tea is nice
45:27 <arch> according to my calculations, it should have hit 64% duty cycle at 11V in, yet im at 12V and it's at 64%. damn TI appnote, this is all their fault
45:54 <arch> it's a good thing i set the isense calculation for 70% duty cycle
46:20 <DHess_US> https://i.imgur.com/7BH8AII.jpg
47:01 <electrohead> DHess_US: lol
47:13 <arch> that's some boomer humor if i ever saw one
11:32 <arch> note to self: don't connect a SLA battery directly to the sepic, or blow up the fuse from inrush current
11:40 <arch> >:(
12:19 <arch> now i have to remove that fuse and make a high side load switch with controlled slew rate so i can hook up my SLA bats to power it
14:42 <arch> it's amazing how nicely that fuse popped. i didn't even hear it. i just heard a POOT like if someone farted silently, and that was it
14:48 <Ysjoelfir> lol arch :D That might have been a good idea! XD
15:27 <T3sl4> fuse shouldn't blow on inrush
15:42 <arch> yeah, i used a SMD fuse, fast blow
15:46 <arch> 15A rated
16:03 <Kuschelpony> hmm, have you considered to use mains circuit breakers? i do that all the time when connecting stuff to larger battery packs, so when something gets wrong i just reset the breaker
16:25 <arch> Kuschelpony, im just trying to run my sepic conv off a 12V 6AH SLA battery
16:31 <arch> and run my laptop off it
16:46 <Kuschelpony> of course its handy that i could collect a few ones down to 2 amps from industrial control cabinets
16:57 <arch> but POOF went the SMD fuse from the inrush. makes sense, those SLA bats have really low ESR, like 60mOhm or something
17:04 <Kuschelpony> arch, yes i understand, just wanted to say you could save almost any fuse that way
17:37 <Kuschelpony> and i know which short circuit currents large battery packs can have, there is a story of 72V sla pack that i can tell you fiorst hand
18:02 <Kuschelpony> no worries that hand still has 5 fingers
18:21 <arch> you could have been the cover art for Left4Dead3
18:28 <arch> :D
18:38 <arch> but good that you survived SLA bat explosion or whatever
18:50 <Kuschelpony> well it was exactly the circuit breaker which interrupted that arc within a fraction of a second
19:09 <Kuschelpony> no explosion, just a bright poof and OH SHIT i had luck
20:14 <Kuschelpony> btw: most mains circuit brakers are rated for 48V but some like ABB upto 72V single pole or 120V three pole
20:54 <arch> you're saying i can use mains circuit breakers for up to 48V DC?
22:14 <Kuschelpony> for european ones yes, as far as i know the datasheets like Siemens, Eaton and such all are rated for at least 48V, ABB for 72V
22:27 <Kuschelpony> but i have not looked up other countries
24:12 <Kuschelpony> see page 2 https://library.e.abb.com/public/44c5b5ac208f3f25c1257ad7004ec86a/2CDC002157D0202_view.pdf
24:31 <Kuschelpony> not to say i advertise them, its just my personal favorite
25:25 <arch> yikes, 10kA short circuit
25:38 <arch> def need a load switch, even with circuit breaker
25:48 <arch> circuit breaker is probably the last line of defense
26:00 <arch> that's to save your house from burning down
26:19 <Kuschelpony> right, in the house installation
27:09 <Kuschelpony> i meant them as a tool when connecting stuff to battery packs or large power supplies, to resettable protext in case of mishaps instead of blowing fuses
27:25 <arch> right
28:40 <Kuschelpony> btw: house installation breakers here must have at least 6kA interruption rating, but most offer 10 to be allowed in industrial installations as well
33:26 <arch> i just double checked that i did not in fact connect the thing reverse polarity. and i did NOT. it was indeed the inrush current that blew the fuse. ok that's good. i also tested the sepic and it works fine.
33:35 <arch> whew
33:45 <arch> i would have been pissed off if i killed it from a dumb mistake like that
33:57 <arch> although, directly connecting to an SLA batt is also a dumb mistake...
35:23 <Kuschelpony> i do not want to judge that
41:34 <arch> well, just in case, i have a reverse biased diode across the input. that should save me if i do make a dumb mistake, assuming the fuse does its job and the diode can handle the pulse of current
47:21 <Ysjoelfir> https://snipboard.io/JLpmXP.jpg I like the way those planes came out :D
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32:34 <T3sl4> Ysjoelfir: plane and simple
32:42 <Ysjoelfir> isn't it?
55:32 <rust_collector> bAAAAAAA baaaaaaa bAAAaaaaa BBAaaaaaaaaaaA BaaAAaAaa
56:49 * Ampera hits rust_collector's snooze button
57:14 <rust_collector> I think something overheated a little bit in my steering pump, as the voltage in got pulled down to 7.5v, and when I ripped the cover off again, there was assorted parts that had been desoldered in there
58:43 <Ampera> rust_collector, yeah but who needs power steering
59:03 <rust_collector> meh, only those who want it to pass inspection
59:20 <Ampera> I wonder if we need power steering to pass inspection
59:32 <Ampera> presumably if your car doesn't have it to begin with you don't
59:50 <rust_collector> if you get a warning light on the dash, I think so. but probably not, if there is no warning
00:31 <Ampera> so then the question is, do you get a check engine light if your steering pump's gone fucked
00:39 <Ampera> presumably depends on the car then
01:01 <rust_collector> well, yes. in this case, the steering has its own light
01:30 <rust_collector> on the wifes chrysler, the engine light is turned on, if the fan relay is broken...
13:40 <Ysjoelfir> rusty, what do you think about the Mohs Safarikar?
14:24 <rust_collector> that is not a thing I think about
14:30 <Ysjoelfir> XD
15:20 <Ysjoelfir> I just read an article about that...... thing, and my first, second, and every thought there after was basically: "......wtf why!?"
16:41 <rust_collector> weeeellll. if you want to shoot elephants and lemurs...
17:19 <Ysjoelfir> then you need fake leather and squaremeters of chrome?
17:26 <rust_collector> yep
19:21 <Ysjoelfir> I didn't know that
20:51 <rust_collector> I like the front fenders. they look like they stole them from ih as well
26:24 <Ysjoelfir> its a bit oversized
26:54 <rust_collector> nah, it is just the rest being a bit too small
27:12 <Ysjoelfir> ah. well. all a question of perspective
28:01 <rust_collector> does not these fenders look sort of similar? https://www.wikiwand.com/en/International_Light_Line_pickup
28:35 <Ysjoelfir> yep
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39:30 <rust_collector> ok, time for a shower, then bed. good evenightning
43:09 <Ysjoelfir> enjoy :)
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13:03 <miip> hi
17:49 <steve30> hi
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20:27 <rust_collector> moinings
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29:26 <miip> so another datacenter burnt down?
29:49 <rust_collector> I dunno? could be
30:25 <AustUser> is there a direct link to this IRC server so I can use my own IRC software instead of whatever webchat client this is?
30:57 <rust_collector> #EEVBlog on austnet
31:03 <miip> sure, connect to irc.austnet.org
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32:20 <smb784> perfect, thanks!
33:03 <rust_collector> Ysjoelfir https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osdyUfBcq94
33:09 <rust_collector> that is made for you
33:35 <Ysjoelfir> heh, nice! :D
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46:31 <rust_collector> too bad they just made a nice cart, lol
46:37 <Halcyon> Morning
46:45 <rust_collector> hey. and good night
47:19 * Halcyon pokes Ampera
52:58 <steve30> hi
53:26 <steve30> I think the hunks that Halcyon posted to me have escaped
53:48 <Halcyon> Good on you Steve. I told you to keep them tied up :P
57:01 <Halcyon> Did that package arrive Steve?
57:52 <steve30> nope :(
59:13 <Halcyon> Annoying
59:30 <Halcyon> Does the tracking info suggest where it might be held up?
00:00 <steve30> Processed by air carrier
00:00 <steve30> Column, event date and time,
00:00 <steve30> Fri 26 Mar • 5:50pm
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00:46 <Halcyon> Mm, oh well hope it gets to you soon
01:46 <steve30> Maybe the aeroplane got lost :)
03:04 <Halcyon> Nooo there was chocolate in there
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09:12 * steve30 ponders a curry
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18:56 <Koepel> Hi, This might be a strange request, but I would like a rant and a solution for "load voltage" and "bus voltage" that is used by Texas Instruments, for example for the INA219: https://github.com/adafruit/Adafruit_INA219/issues/49 Dave knows about current shunts, he is the right person for this.
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28:24 * gnif waves
28:50 <Halcyon> Heya Geoff
29:03 <gnif> I threw up the IRC info on the placeholder website
29:11 <Halcyon> Yeh I saw that, thanks for that.
29:15 <gnif> np
29:58 <gnif> now getting TTL exceeded when attempting to ping our servers, so progress...
30:12 <Halcyon> \o./
30:15 <Halcyon> \o/
30:31 <Halcyon> Keeping you busy
30:41 <gnif> not really, just a sit and wait game
31:08 <gnif> glad I am not working in that DC right now, you can imagine how stressful it would be
31:35 <Halcyon> Oh yes, and I'd imagine en event like that would be so detrimental to their business. I'm sure a lot of people would be pulling their services.
32:17 <Halcyon> Seeing as you aren't busy, when are we watching up for that coffee/beverage? :P
32:25 <electrohead> o/
32:31 * Halcyon spanks electrohead 
32:35 * electrohead films
32:38 <electrohead> hey gnif
32:43 <Halcyon> You idiot :P
33:06 <gnif> IMO this can happen to any DC, they did their due diligence and performed load testing of their backup infrastructure. Obviously there was an oversight with the fire suppression system, just glad they had one and it did it's job, unlike OVH
33:26 <gnif> hey electrohead
33:35 <Halcyon> Oh gnif, electrohead and ampera are two of the regulars who have helped keep this place running, among other things, writing and scripting the EEVBlog bot, that does stuff, including rebroadcast Dave's twitter posts.
33:54 <gnif> nice work!
34:30 <Halcyon> So yeh, much smarter than I am, particularly with Linux
34:30 <gnif> Halcyon: re coffee/beverage... that means I would have to leave the safety of my home and brave the UV rays....
34:58 <Halcyon> gnif, correct :P Although I could always pick you up and we could head to K-Town.
35:08 <Halcyon> That way you don't need to be outdoors for very long
35:15 <gnif> lol
35:56 <Halcyon> Let me know when you have a spare hour some day :) I'm on leave at the moment
36:31 <gnif> will do, however my wife books every spare second I have, it's rare I am actually free
36:48 <Halcyon> Although fucking holiday traffic, it took me 8 hours to drive back home from Canberra yesterday. I thought I'd be clever and avoid the Hume Hwy and come through Oberon. Everything from Hartley onwards was at a standstill. >:(
37:32 <Halcyon> Your wife? I thought you were in charge ;-)
37:50 <gnif> that's what I like to believe, but reality is very different :P
38:13 <Halcyon> I'll never understand your heterosexual relationships.
38:59 <gnif> I will never understand relationships...
39:09 <Halcyon> Well yes, there is that too
39:43 <Halcyon> Gah, I probably should be useful, I want to go to Colless Foods and get a nice roast or something
39:49 <Halcyon> They have some decent meat up there
40:03 <gnif> off topic, is there any detrimental impact of letting an EPROM UV erase too long?
40:44 <electrohead> hrmm
40:45 <Halcyon> T3sl4 or coppice would be the best to answer that I think, but my understanding is that UV can damage the die if left too long. But it would have be pretty excessive I think
40:58 <arch> wao wao, absolutely halal. this transient load waveform is fast
41:04 <Halcyon> Don't they also have limited P/E cycles, just like flash?
41:06 <arch> settling time i mean
41:17 <electrohead> it would need exposure for a long time before there would be any damage, *I think*
41:29 <gnif> just curious as I have no experience with them... just fixing some bad EPROM on old retro motherboards
41:37 <Halcyon> Nice :)
41:53 <Halcyon> If you ever need retro parts or EPROMs, let me know, I have a whole room full of bits
42:41 * electrohead offers gnif an 8.2% IPA beer
42:47 <gnif> nice! will do. Right now I am trying to get my hands on a Roland 401AT, or compatible.
43:05 <gnif> intellegent MPU-401 ISA interface for a MT-32
43:17 <Halcyon> You have an MT-32?
43:21 <gnif> in the post
43:24 <Halcyon> I hate you
43:25 <Halcyon> :P
43:32 <electrohead> lol
43:48 <gnif> got an awesome deal on one, $300 inc shipping
43:52 <Halcyon> I've been looking out for one of those for years
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43:54 <Halcyon> Gees, nice
43:59 <gnif> same! haha
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44:46 <gnif> it's a Gen 0 unit too, so no bugs, just the noisy output. I intend to tap the digital feeding the D/A and record it directly
45:01 <Halcyon> At the moment, my focus is getting a decent telephone line simulator going. I want to set up an old dialup server for old machines to dial into
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45:21 <gnif> can you do that with an ATA?
45:40 <Halcyon> I thought about going down the FXO card route, but they are expensive
45:50 <gnif> I think I have one somewhere still
46:00 <gnif> if I find it you're welcome to it
46:05 <Halcyon> They do make simulator boxes, but they aren't cheap on ebay
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46:14 <Halcyon> Oh that would be amazing
46:26 <gnif> had both FXO and FXS on it
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46:50 <Halcyon> I really only need 2 lines. It's not something I'll be using regularly, it's just for shits and giggles
47:00 <gnif> Zaptel clone IIRC
48:15 <Halcyon> I don't know much about them. Last time I played with similar stuff was when I worked on the old JTEC J5000 ISDN exchanges
48:22 <Koepel> The Google cache is working. Search withing site (add site:eevblog.com) and select the cache.
48:36 <electrohead> an ATA and hosting a local PBX (asterisk) would be a good solution
48:58 <electrohead> I still need to get a proper ATA/FXO card for getting my old webTV up and running
49:00 <electrohead> guh
49:01 <Halcyon> Yeh that would be the most ideal solution
49:16 <gnif> I still use an ATA with asterisk for my home phones
49:34 <Halcyon> You old fart :P
49:49 <Halcyon> Although I can't talk, I just turned 36 the other day :(
49:56 <gnif> easier then running more Ethernet through the house...
49:58 <electrohead> yeah I have an asterisk/freepbx setup running on a raspberry pi, within my ham rig
50:09 <Halcyon> Mmmm ham
50:11 <electrohead> Halcyon: happy birthday btw :P
50:15 <Halcyon> Yeh thank :P
50:19 <Halcyon> *thanks
50:24 <electrohead> you old fuck, yah
50:28 <Halcyon> :P
51:30 <electrohead> I'll be 35 in June, so.. I'm not too far behind you, lol
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52:37 * gnif is 36
52:55 <gnif> so not that old :P
55:12 <Halcyon> :P
56:46 <Halcyon> electrohead, I need to order some more of that jerky soon, do you want some more?
57:10 <electrohead> oo, speaking of, yeah mate, I need to talk to you about that, too
57:16 <Halcyon> Mmmm ?
57:18 <electrohead> I'll be sending you money for a bunch of it
57:21 <electrohead> lmao
57:25 <Halcyon> Hahahaha, who else wants some?
58:43 <Halcyon> https://www.heavenlyjerky.com.au/product-category/beef-jerky-flavour-list
58:47 <Halcyon> That's the list if you need it
59:18 <electrohead> my friend/boss from the beer store loved the garlic and smoked stuff
59:26 <Halcyon> Oh it was delicious
59:35 <electrohead> fuck yeah it is/was
59:43 <electrohead> I still have some of the super spicy stuff left, too
59:56 <Halcyon> I want to try the Tandoori one
05:57 <Halcyon> Anyway guys, I'm popping out for a bit. gnif let me know if you are ever free for that drink :P
06:15 <gnif> will do Halcyon, enjoy! :D
06:33 <Halcyon> electrohead, you free for a phone call shortly?
06:52 <Halcyon> Since you didn't get back to me yesterday :P
07:04 <electrohead> yeah yeah, I got fucking off, and fell asleep, lol
07:07 <electrohead> yeah mate, I'm down :P
07:28 <Halcyon> Give me 10
10:48 <electrohead> I'll give you 9, then I'll call you wondering why you haven't called me yet
10:50 <electrohead> :P
11:31 <Halcyon> Jerk :P
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13:13 * electrohead shakes it
14:50 <steve30> My Raspberry Pi Asterisk server is working well
16:30 <electrohead> I've never had a problem with mine, ever
16:39 <electrohead> currently it runs a cisco VoIP phone next to me
16:43 <electrohead> everything works.
19:32 * gnif dances... EPROM successfully flashed using a TL866II+ under Linux with minipro :D
19:35 <steve30> I've got a snom phone and a Grandstream ATA
19:44 <steve30> I've got a Cisco phone as well but its not plugged in
19:47 <electrohead> \o/
20:06 * steve30 needs coffee
21:39 <electrohead> gnif: what version of minipro did you use? I noticed there are a few clones/versions on github, then one on gitlab
23:30 <gnif> https://gitlab.com/DavidGriffith/minipro.git
24:30 <gnif> had to run it a few times though, I reall need to get a powered USB hub
24:58 <gnif> kept getting USB timeouts due to comms failure, very likely due to voltage drop
34:42 <electrohead> hehh
34:47 <electrohead> actually, I had that same issue
35:02 <electrohead> after I used a powered USB hub, I didn't run into the issue again
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41:06 <gnif> glad I am not the only one
01:10 <arch> MWAHHAHAHA, witness...and be impressed T3sl4. this is a 2A transient with a 2.2A load already present (that HP frankenlaptop): https://imgur.com/a/sFnSuMU
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08:46 <Ampera> morning mourners
09:12 <mnem> I read somewhere that this was where to come for the end of the world chat? Are we there yet...?
09:33 <Ampera> yep, it's the end of the world as we know it
09:41 <Ampera> I feel fine, how are you doing
09:45 <DHess_US> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EyPZMpUWUAop_dT?format=jpg&name=medium
10:50 <Ampera> DHess_US, what's hilarious is that my dad has had an international vaccine passport for years apparently
11:14 <Ampera> I sorta didn't know those were a thing, but thinking of it, yeah some countries have always asked for or demanded vaccines comming to/from
11:32 <Ampera> How are things going, gnif
11:39 <Ampera> nice to have another friendly face on IRC
11:46 <DHess_US> It was common for visitors to Africa for decades but I don't know that they tracked it.
11:53 <mnem> Welll.... ummm... I came to visit Canada and "see if I like it up here" 18 months ago. On a 6-month visitor visa. :P
12:12 <gnif> good thanks Ampera... yeah, I started using my IPoCP interface (rfc2549) and connected here :)
12:24 <DHess_US> gnif? Isn't that the sound someone makes when they try to stifle a sneeze?
12:36 <Ampera> mnem, oh don't you dare, I'mma be real polite all over your ass and do nothing!
13:08 <gnif> DHess_US, only if you are allergic to birds
13:30 <mnem> Oh, dear... I didn't realise this was sysop space... I'll zippit.
13:38 <Ampera> gnif, that's IPoAC, not IPoCP
14:04 <Ampera> but good to know you have something better than the NBN where you are
14:36 <Ampera> mnem, it's not, we're just really good at pretending to look like we know what we're doing
14:41 <gnif> whoops, my bad.. but yes, faster then NBN by far
14:57 <Ampera> hey, throughput of IPoAC can be pretty damn good
15:01 <Ampera> it's just the latency that's a bit poor
15:22 <hierbabuena> Why doesn't Dave like IRC?
16:20 <Ampera> Best I recall he just finds it inconvenient and bit distracting to keep track of a live conversation
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16:31 <Ampera> he prefers the forum or email where he can be sure the convo won't go very far when he's not looking
16:38 <Ampera> Nice, AustUser69
17:24 <steve30> He's a twitter user, so I guess he consideres IRC irelevent
17:35 <Ampera> lol
17:42 <Ampera> I used to be a twit too
17:51 <Ampera> then I replaced my twitter account with an RSS reader
18:16 <steve30> I do read a few people's twitter pages, but i'm not a member
18:19 <Ampera> it's just like twitter, except you can't jump out and start bitching with someone over some random political bullshit
18:26 <steve30> I did have an account there briefly though
18:47 <Ampera> I maintain an account in the event I need one, since Twitter will nag you incessantly if you don't have an account
19:05 <mnem> I dunno... lemme dig through 2 decades of archive and see if I can find my old KickChatScript directory... LOL Don't think that's been wet since ummm... Farscape and Dollhouse were still on the air...
19:46 <Ampera> I was just talking with a friend earlier today, for a lot of people, IRC is real nostalgiac, how they communicated with friends and whatnot 20 years ago
19:58 <Ampera> whereas for me, I used IRC more than any other form of communication in my life
20:25 <Ampera> I talk to all of you androids way more than I actually talk to real people
20:37 <steve30> people suck
20:49 <mnem> Yeah, that's kindof where I was going. yotz, disassemble!
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21:06 <Ampera> steve30, while people might suck, fortunately they also blow
21:31 <mnem> And whenever they do, there's profit to be made. ;)
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21:58 <mnem> xr! ^5
22:16 <Ampera> ls+ <4
22:46 * mnem smacks self silly to see if it still works*
23:01 * gnif loves mnem for having Farscape AND Dollhouse!
23:42 * mnem met wife in Dominion chat and #Farscape on skiffy. ;) *
23:58 <gnif> hahaha, I love it
24:39 <xrunner> My cat likes the outage because I'm playing with him a lot more
24:49 * mnem is also card-carrying browncoat dwagon*
25:01 <Ampera> hahaha
25:16 * electrohead offers beer
25:23 <Ampera> there just needs to be an IRC outage one of these days so I go on the forums more
25:37 <electrohead> what if the forums *and* IRC are down?
25:42 <electrohead> we all die.
25:53 <Ampera> well then it'd come down to some pretty drastic measures
26:12 <mnem> Then we have to face the "normals" on discord... LOL
26:14 <gnif> we all start building HAM radios
26:20 <Ampera> I'd probably get off my ass, put on my shoes and coat, and head outside and actually engage with physical humans in what they call "face to face"
27:06 <gnif> whenever I have a prolonged outage, my office gets cleaned...
27:13 <Ampera> oh no
27:14 <steve30> I still don't get the deal with Discord. I noticed on Dave's Patreon page it says, if you pay, you get access to the EEVBlog Discord, and I thought, why not just use IRC rather than some proprietary thing?
27:34 <Ampera> I use discord because other people I know use discord
27:45 <Ampera> I'm just waiting for microsoft to buy it up and drive it into the ground skype style
28:04 <mnem> That's exactly what I did yesterday... walked to the park with my son, shot some hoops until my back ached.
28:28 <mnem> Today, since it was still down, I went and bought a fatbike.
28:50 <mnem> @ampera - same here.
29:40 <Ampera> I think I wish people would appreciate simpler protocols a bit more, webforums and IRC really are just some of the nicest ways to keep a good community together
30:27 <mnem> We have a discord devoted to the TEAnonymous thread... the regulars go there Saturday afternoons at 1600-1700 Eastern Time and chew the fat.
30:34 <mnem> https://discord.com/channels/658020677533827101/662871717667930142
31:27 <mnem> We fall back there and touch base when eevblog has a hiccup more than a hour or two.
31:40 <steve30> ^Well, that page didn't even load until I enabled javascript, and now it wants a password
32:02 <mnem> Oh, it assumes you're a member.
32:16 <Ampera> mmm, members
32:55 <steve30> But still, its nice to know they're so excited to see me again
33:00 <Ampera> In this IRC we mostly shoot various forms of shit, and try to restrain ourselves from absolute and total inneuendo
33:11 <Ampera> we don't try very well though
34:00 * mnem is the resident pervy little dwagon fancier*
34:31 <mnem> No judgement from here. ;)
34:33 <Ampera> so long as you're at least somewhat pervy you'll fit right in here like a round peg in a round hole
34:41 <electrohead> lol
35:08 <electrohead> mnem: thanks for that link, I'll have to visit that soon
35:22 <mnem> :thumbsup:
37:20 <mnem> Woops... probably won't do you any good to try and check into my session on Discord... https://discord.com/channels/658020677533827101 should work better. D'OH!
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44:21 <Nighthawke> boo
45:09 <steve30> o/
45:40 <Nighthawke> hy steve
45:52 <Ampera> BOO
46:05 <Ampera> (m)
46:05 * Nighthawke jumps!
46:24 <Nighthawke> so whats the story on daves site
46:33 <Nighthawke> did they take the money n run?
46:47 <steve30> apparently it caught fire
47:13 <Nighthawke> oh oh
47:37 <gnif> generator test, mechanical failure, fire = suppression = water = power cut
47:41 <Ampera> it's the spirit of photonic induction come to make it pop
48:01 <Nighthawke> inspiring
51:32 <Nighthawke> did it wipe out the rest of the server room?
51:37 <gnif> my question is... how did the generator have such a failure as to cause a fire? in my experience DC gens are diesel, which is pretty hard to ignite
51:44 <mnem> LOL.... it's a wonder to me that wingnut hasn't blinded himself or amputated something with a LASER something yet...
51:54 <gnif> Nighthawke, no... core routers lost power, etc
52:06 <gnif> the fire department turned of all the power for safety
52:47 <Nighthawke> well, they might as well be, the drives are prretty much frozen up due to bearing failures
53:03 <gnif> SSDs
53:30 <Nighthawke> gnif probably unwanted squatters in the gensets. they get in the armatures and the shit they leave behind, well, it's a mess baby
53:34 <mnem> Oh, the story we read was that the genset actually caused fire... not that the power was just cut by the Fire dept.
54:00 <gnif> yeah, the genset did, but the FD cut all power after the incident
54:18 <Nighthawke> well Marc would be in there up to his eyeballs in wiring
54:35 <Nighthawke> CuriousMarc
55:10 <mnem> My assumption was critter nests in hot/moving bits of the genset; especially with HV/3PH the rings/brushes can be very sensitive to contamination.
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55:39 <gnif> they stated mechanical failure, sounds more violent
56:30 <mnem> *** A'aight... catch up with youzz freeks later. couch-tuber time widda boi. ;) ***
56:40 <Nighthawke> anything with generators is considered mechanical
56:52 <Nighthawke> later mnem
56:54 <gnif> perhaps less embarrassing then saying "a fire caused by failure to clean the engine"
56:55 <mnem> *tzzzzt*
57:20 <mnem> Occam's Razor right there. ;) :thumbsup*
57:24 <Nighthawke> that is why we cover our gensets up if they are not being used, then dust them out before pulling on the cord
58:10 <Nighthawke> blessed be for they kept us warm and fed during the Great Freeze
58:29 <gnif> by unwanted squatters I assume you mean creatures/animals? I only know that term in relation to homeless people squatting on land.
58:47 <gnif> I have a rather funny mental image right now
59:25 <Nighthawke> them too gnif, sometimes it's scavengers after copper
59:44 <Nighthawke> that case it's louisville (slugger) time
59:52 <gnif> lol
00:30 <Nighthawke> i hate scavs
00:58 <gnif> see I am a remote admin, I rarely deal with the physical servers/infrastructure... it's always interesting to learn more about the infrastructure that supports these operations
01:39 <Nighthawke> yea, i did remote/local stuff too while working for kaplan
02:16 <Nighthawke> my local site i was working out of a 7X7X10 foot room with the servers, no room for office for poor IT
02:23 <Nighthawke> the othere was 3 h ours away
03:00 <Nighthawke> and while the local site had proper enviromental controls, the other had a lousy window shaker and time-shared a central HVAC plant
03:07 <gnif> I work from home, servers are all over the place as I provide management for people that can't afford a full time admin
03:32 <Nighthawke> yea, MSP support, pretty awful if you ask me
04:15 <gnif> I quite enjoy it for the most part
04:33 <Nighthawke> i get there one fine day, floor's wet to the cage, window shaker drain had blocked and flooded the room
04:36 <Halcyon> Back
05:00 <Nighthawke> i stuff pan tablets into the drain tray and get a mop and fans, then get on the horn with management
05:06 <Nighthawke> they shrug and say clean it up
05:19 <Nighthawke> made me so mad i was spitting nails
05:53 <electrohead> Halcyon: Front.
06:05 <Halcyon> Dork
06:19 <Nighthawke> building services emailed me towwards the end asking me what the campus needed, i sent her two full pages single line items for each issue.
06:40 <gnif> and they ignored it all? usually the case
06:41 <Nighthawke> last i heard they were doing a full strip down and rebuild
07:01 <Nighthawke> this was before they started to gut their departments to survive, this was 2010
07:13 <Nighthawke> during the student loan scandals
07:23 <gnif> I have a mate that does PCI compliance stuff, so often he gives his reports after his audits and they just ignore it all until things go wrong.
07:28 <Nighthawke> so i dunno if they ggot that far
07:46 <gnif> and this is for financial institutions
07:55 <Nighthawke> well this gripe sheet went to three managers, my local boss, and two C levels
08:02 <Nighthawke> private schools
08:21 <Nighthawke> IT got gutted 7 december
08:28 <Nighthawke> over 400 severed
08:54 <gnif> ouch
09:17 <Nighthawke> the newsies had it hard for the company
09:27 <Nighthawke> i took the money n ran
10:11 <Nighthawke> was in deent shape, i pulled all my coin off the market when it took a nosedive
10:12 <gnif> haha, "job done, I'm outta here"
10:46 <Nighthawke> and took a year or two to try to get back into some semblence of mental and physical shape, it was pretty rough
11:42 <gnif> I worked for a company once that treated their staff like crap, I was managing their IT infrastructure and Citrix metaserver systems, etc... 200+ people across branches around Australia using these systems. I was so sick of the mistreatment I quietly let my contract lapse and walked....
12:26 <gnif> to make matters worse, they would not allow time for things to be documented, etc... so they had nothing
13:05 <Nighthawke> feh
13:08 <Nighthawke> their downfall
13:33 <Nighthawke> had bosses that had the mentality of a 8 year old
13:37 <Halcyon> Interesting way to mount an IEC socket: https://www.adva.com/-/media/adva-main-site/products/packet-edge-and-aggregation/carrier-ethernet-edge/fsp-150cc-ge-110-series/fsp-150-pro-114s-hd-150dpi-16bit-0000-min.png?rev=02d4c1f968f8411eb9ae7dc0c9ca560a
13:40 <gnif> was funny to get a call from the boss telling me he would fire me if I didn't return to work, and when he finished ranting I explained politely that I was under contact, and it's lapsed, and I would not renew
13:45 <Halcyon> I wonder if that was on purpose
14:11 <Nighthawke> oh they were smart, but if they didnt get their way they would throw a fit that rivaled one
14:53 <Nighthawke> yeah it was Halcyon, they didnt use snapfit IEC sockets, only the bolt ons
15:02 <Halcyon> Nighthawke: I could tell you some stories of poor management. One of my managers at work believes he is such a great boss and a great communicator, just because he has done an MBA.
15:24 <Halcyon> Little does he realise he is actually quite incompetant and poor at managing staff or communicating things
15:28 <Nighthawke> i've had the spectrum of the lot
15:56 * electrohead purposely rubs on Halcyon
16:03 <Nighthawke> ranging from bosses that really dbent over backwards. I was to sign on with a MSP but the day after accepting their offer i suffereed a heart attack
16:08 <Halcyon> I've also worked for people who belive that "you work at good as you dress". Try telling that to someone in an IT department that they should wear suit and tie
16:12 <Halcyon> It's all a load of shit
16:33 <Nighthawke> they held off while i went and got a heart cath donee and a couple weeks of recuperation
16:51 <Nighthawke> they were like 'its cool dude, get some rest and we'll see you in a couple of weeks"
17:31 <Nighthawke> was a fine time until the new manager popped in and started to do it by the book. boy that didnt last long, the entier L1 tier got gutted and more than a couple sysadmins bailed too
17:40 <gnif> I was contracting for a financial institute building a new system that allowed banks to invalidate stolen/lost credit cards, etc...
17:48 <Nighthawke> i got the hammer due to politics
17:59 <gnif> the software development was outsourced to an indian firm
18:03 <Nighthawke> ouch
18:19 <Halcyon> That sounds secure gnif :P
18:20 <gnif> my team got blamed for a bug that ment that when one bank logged in, another could see their data
18:28 <Nighthawke> >.<
18:31 <gnif> we were infrastructure
18:34 <Nighthawke> holy frap gnif
19:01 <gnif> I traced things through and found that the first user to login to the backend, was what everyone was logged in for the entire day
19:29 <gnif> so I suggested that it sounded like they had used a `static` var to store the logged in user
19:37 <gnif> Java/JBoss backend btw
20:18 <gnif> this indian company charged $25,000 to fix this bug, insisting it was to workaround our infrastructure
20:33 <Halcyon> Oh wow
20:35 <gnif> so I decompiled the jar... and guess what one line change I found between versions
20:40 <Nighthawke> christ on a cracker
21:05 <gnif> `static` was removed
21:38 <Halcyon> Whoever signed off on that should be sacked. Why are we employing international companies like that to handle private information.
21:51 <gnif> unfortunatly this exposed the terrible state of the code base and the entire project was canned, come new year I had no work
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22:38 <Nighthawke> kaplan had massive infrastructure, they were nationwide. One day seemingly random clients were having trouble logging on. So they put all the L1s into a call. I had been studying AD/DC so I had my head wrapped around the forest/trees mentaility... So i piped up during the suggestions phase that they go to each workstation that was not having trouble and do a SET L on the command line. log
22:38 <Nighthawke> the DC server they were using and move forward, this eliminates the workig DC servers from their list.
23:25 <Nighthawke> two hours later they had the nasty DC server pulled out of the mess and everything was cool again
25:02 <gnif> active directory... "It's never fun"
25:03 <Nighthawke> another was working for a wISP, setting up new radios at a location "hey we can see other computers!" Whoops, [clientisolate=YES]
25:32 <Nighthawke> as long as you plan ahead AD/DC was a breeze, it was SQL that was my nightmare
26:03 <gnif> my first job was "enhancing" a product we were selling by means of T-SQL stored procedures
26:06 <gnif> my first job was "enhancing" a product we were selling by means of T-SQL stored procedures and triggers
26:11 <gnif> whoops, no edit in IRC :)
26:13 <Halcyon> Hey gnif you mentioned earlier you were messing around with a vintage machine. Specs?
26:24 <Nighthawke> ooh i can ssee where this is going... lol
27:19 <gnif> Halcyon: 486 class (Am5x86-75), ISA/PCI mobo, 32MB RAM, Diamond Stealth 64
27:34 <Halcyon> Nice :)
27:43 <Nighthawke> aww, sweet vintage, what brand mobo?
27:58 <Halcyon> I need to get around to SLI'ing my two VoodooII cards
28:05 <gnif> https://www.elhvb.com/webhq/models/486pci/bekp4072.htm
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28:20 <gnif> it's a clone though with an amibios
28:43 <Nighthawke> wow, talk about crammed with slots
29:05 <Nighthawke> i wager the socketed ICs needed reseating
29:09 <Halcyon> That was fairly standard for the day
29:14 <Nighthawke> *crunch*
29:20 <Halcyon> Although the SiS chipsets didn
29:24 <Halcyon> t fill me with confidence
29:25 <gnif> I socketed the KB controller and built an interposer to add a PS/2 port for the mouse
29:31 <Nighthawke> nice
29:58 <gnif> that chipset is actually really nice
30:05 <Nighthawke> i had a PCChips board, my first build. i didn't keep track of my screws *pouf* magic smoke
30:09 <gnif> well documented too, datasheets are all available
30:19 <Halcyon> Back in the day I felt that SiS chipsets were quite slow
30:21 <gnif> ouch, yeah, that was common with PCChips
30:25 <Nighthawke> screw between tge board and groundplane
30:40 <Halcyon> My favourite is the old Intel 440BX chipsets
30:43 <gnif> Halcyon, only because the defaults in the bios were super crap
30:46 * T3sl4 pins cat ears to arch
30:48 <Nighthawke> hehe
30:50 <Halcyon> Heh yeh true
31:27 <gnif> also the PNP support in the bios sucked as they didn't take into account that IRQ15 was used for the secondary IDE
31:34 <Nighthawke> i graduated to AMD chips afterwardm my first real board was the legendary A7V with the Athlons
32:02 <Halcyon> The last AMD chip I used was the K6
32:04 <DHess_US> My 440BX is sitting right here. it is my current legacy system.
32:08 <Nighthawke> the onboard 3rd party PC133 controller sucked badly
32:08 <Halcyon> I've been off them ever since
32:20 <DHess_US> I may replace it with my 440GX because it has twice as much memory.
32:26 <Halcyon> I had a Cyrix at one point too
32:32 <gnif> I learned last month how to write a DOS device driver and managed to write one that re assigns all the interrupts, etc, reprograms the PIC, and fixes the ISR table.
32:33 <Nighthawke> i think i still got that cusser round here somewhere
32:48 <Nighthawke> oh nice a prybar
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33:33 <gnif> I have another couple of retro machines to move onto later, the classic i815 Intel motherboard with a P3-667
33:34 <Nighthawke> bbl need a shower
33:43 <Halcyon> Nice
33:47 <Halcyon> Enjoy Nighthawke
33:51 <gnif> and an HP NetServer, dual P2-450
34:26 <gnif> I thought something smelled :P
34:34 <Halcyon> Eh fuck it, I'm on holidays, I might pour myself a glass of wine
34:52 <Halcyon> I might also crack out my Pentium, you got me all horny for vintage computing gnif
35:27 <gnif> I still find it funny that Pentium is considered vintage these days
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36:11 <Halcyon> I want a Pentium Pro, I've built several but never owned one. Ampera has one, the bastard
36:45 <gnif> I have a friend with a dual P-Pro...
36:54 <gnif> waiting for him to get bored with it
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39:35 <Halcyon> :)
40:19 <Halcyon> I have so many old computer projects on the backburner. Been too busy.
40:27 <Halcyon> I need to sort out a new power supply for my C64
41:54 <gnif> My next retro project outside of the mt-32 stuff will be to build an ISA card, so my 486 can become an old school home automation controller... and make a Fallout style retro amber screen & interface to stick on it
42:19 <Halcyon> You need to talk to electrohead some more. He does this kind of shit.
42:35 <Halcyon> He also has traffic lights in his living room that he controls via terminal :P
42:41 <gnif> haha, already been chatting with him :)
42:59 * electrohead solders Halcyon to gnif
43:02 <Halcyon> He's a good guy, trying to get him to come to Australia
43:14 <Halcyon> I thought you were playing Xbox?
43:41 <electrohead> I am
43:50 <electrohead> still have my laptop open :P
43:51 <gnif> he installed IRC onto it
44:15 <electrohead> gnif: you see my tv room setup?
44:21 <gnif> I did :)
44:40 <electrohead> now you see how easy it is to be at my laptop, while doing other shit, lol
44:52 <Halcyon> Do you have a terminal in the bathroom too ? :P
45:07 <gnif> it better be a vt100 terminal :P
45:15 <gnif> genuine
46:04 <Halcyon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ib1XusRAJ9A
46:19 <Halcyon> Replace television with VT100
47:44 <gnif> lol
47:47 * steve30 meows at Halcyon 
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49:51 <Halcyon> Hey Steve :)
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55:17 <steve30> Halcyon, just out of curiosity, have you noticed that just about everything to do with "LGBT" these days only ever focuses on transgender people?
55:55 <Halcyon> *shrug*
56:02 <Halcyon> I don't pay that much attention
56:20 <Kuschelpony> im not Halcyon but i did notice the same
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57:45 <steve30> I just notice in LGBT forums, its mostly transgender subjects. Even a few years ago I used to go to an LGBT community group, and in the end it was mostly Ts, with very few Ls, Gs, and Bs.
58:02 <steve30> I'm just wondering where all the gays went :p
58:37 <Kuschelpony> here in germany they went purely to Facebook, together with the Gearfreaks
58:45 <Kuschelpony> i miss contact with them
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00:30 <steve30> I still don't believe in the whole 'coming out' thing, but I gather its far more common for someone to 'come out as LGBT' these days. Surely you can't be all four of them?
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00:54 <Kuschelpony> hmm, i dont know myself
01:58 <Kuschelpony> at least one thing i heard from these gay people cutting everything outside of FB was that FB has no "Fakes", everyone is mandatory outed by name and faces recogniced and tagged
02:39 <Kuschelpony> im for preciselyx this reason not on FB and feeding that company with my last bits of privacy
04:00 <Kuschelpony> myself im not exactly in one of these four letters, but consider to be mostly non-sexual and attracted to playful gearfreaks
04:41 <Kuschelpony> gay or bi is probably the least wrong one of the common social "boxes"
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04:53 * Ampera hugs Halcyon 
05:16 <Ampera> steve30, because these days, anything to do with LGBT is largely attention seeking political exhibitionism
05:23 <Ampera> and honestly, being gay is no longer anything special
05:56 <Ampera> nobody cares that you're gay, which is just as it should be, but people who have formed their lives around being pissed at society need new things to get upset about
06:05 <Halcyon> Hey Ampera :)
06:19 <Ampera> Halcyon, I've actually been working on the script for my Pentium Pro video just today
06:42 <Halcyon> Excellent :D
07:05 <Ampera> I think the concept of "LGBT" is absolutely stupid
07:15 <Ampera> transgenderism has almost nothing to do with homosexuality
08:00 <Ampera> and it's nothing but a detriment to conflate the two in the eyes of society, because then people start thinking having serious questions about what gender you see yourself ass is just as no big deal as being gay
08:00 <Kuschelpony> i think the concepot of beeing an union of different, but commonly marginalized people
08:25 <Ampera> The marginalization isn't common, because how you can even marginalize the two groups is vastly unique.
08:35 <Kuschelpony> and yes its good to raise some attention
08:50 <Ampera> The fact of the matter is that people don't treat gender dysphoria as a real, actual mental health issue
08:54 <Kuschelpony> mmh, maybe im biased from my local circumstances
08:57 <Ampera> they just treat it like a gay that needs pills and surgery
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09:59 <Ampera> Halcyon, how have you been doing anyways
10:32 <Halcyon> Not too bad I suppose
10:34 <Halcyon> You?
10:42 <Kuschelpony> but see like when you want to attend a party, which is organized by heteronormative people, and they demand that you can only attend with a female parter, to keep the gender ratio 50:50 and no single males
10:45 <Ampera> my sleep has been so fucking horrible these past few days
11:00 <Ampera> Kuschelpony, why the fuck would you want to attend such a party
11:32 <Ampera> I don't care what sort of parties people want to throw, they can be as discriminatory as they want, it's their social life
12:28 <Ampera> I've honestly never been to a party in my life. I'm sure there could be some that I'd find entertaining, but I just don't get the point of a bunch of people in a space just randomly socializing for the sake of socializing
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13:37 <Halcyon> My "party" is basically cooking good food and getting friends involved
13:45 <Ampera> that's a good party
15:01 * steve30 curls up on Ampera's lap
15:07 * Ampera pets the steve30 
15:40 * gnif yells at Ampera for letting the steve30 back in the house
16:00 * Ampera sicks steve30 on gnif 
16:03 <Halcyon> gnif, it's no use, he keeps sneaking back in
16:05 <Halcyon> Stupid cat :P
16:14 * steve30 purrs at gnif 
16:23 * gnif hisses
16:40 <Halcyon> Although I'd rather cats be indoors, so they don't kill birds and lizards
16:43 * Ampera releases a deluge of cat treats, demands peace from all parties involved or no wet food
16:55 <Ampera> fuck birds
17:01 <Ampera> the noisy fuckers can all die
17:05 <Halcyon> Hahah
17:06 <Ampera> cunts with wings
17:09 <gnif> haha, I actually love cats
17:11 <Kuschelpony> Ampera, maybe because its the only kind of party that happens in a certain area and i just want to go out
17:31 <Kuschelpony> but now im out to work, see you back the other half of the day
17:38 <Ampera> ciao Kuschelpony
17:42 <steve30> o/
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19:44 <electrohead> \o
19:50 * Ampera glasses electrohead 
19:58 <electrohead> gnif: I love cats, too :D
20:05 * electrohead liquids Ampera
20:08 <Halcyon> Get a room you two
20:09 <Ampera> yeah, cats are nice, Halcyon is just a mean crow
20:09 <Halcyon> :P
20:19 <Halcyon> Cats are selfish assholes
20:23 <Ampera> so are you
20:29 <Halcyon> Not talking about me
20:35 <Ampera> of course I am
21:04 <Halcyon> I swear Ampera, one day when I actually get to meet you, I'm going to spank you for real
21:26 <Ampera> I have a special gold plated fork and knife reserved specifically for when I eat your entire fucking ass
21:34 <Halcyon> :P
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21:55 <Halcyon> Be kind of gnif will never want to return
21:58 <Halcyon> *or
22:09 <Ampera> he should know what to expect from here anyways :P
22:52 <Ampera> neat, alaska has 25% of its pop completely vaccinated
23:55 <Halcyon> I have my second 5G shot in 3 weeks
24:01 <Ampera> pfizer?
24:05 <Halcyon> Yes sir
24:11 <Ampera> how hard are you
24:26 <Halcyon> You don't want to know Ampera :P
24:42 <Ampera> cut diamond by looking at it
24:42 <Ampera> gotcha
25:01 <steve30> I keep wondering if/when i'll get invited to have a covid vaccine
25:52 <Halcyon> I'm debating whether or not to apply for a sys. admin job
26:23 <Halcyon> It's basically the same money and it's 5 days a week instead of the 4 I work now, but for a much better organisation
26:48 <steve30> Will you not be able to arrest naughty amperas any more?
26:57 <Halcyon> Correct
27:28 <Ampera> at least I won't have to worry about Halcyon arresting me for carrying a pocketknife when I go to Australia
31:20 <Halcyon> No because you won't have one :P
31:40 <Ampera> Still debating if I actually want to go because of that
31:45 <Ampera> I don't like the idea of being without my knife
31:46 <Halcyon> You're so silly
31:50 <Ampera> dead serious
31:54 <electrohead> o.O
32:10 <electrohead> good luck taking a knife on an airplane
32:11 <Halcyon> Then pack it in your luggage
32:19 <Halcyon> Take it with you if you can't sleep without it
33:00 <Ampera> Maybe when you come visit I should apply for concealed carry
33:16 <Ampera> just to flex
33:19 <Halcyon> If you want?
33:35 <Halcyon> But I couldn't care less about guns, how is that flexing?
37:22 <Halcyon> Oh gawd, an "app-controlled" mug
37:54 <Halcyon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6X3WzrnyyGc
38:01 <Ampera> seen int
38:02 <Ampera> er, it
38:10 <steve30> We should hack into it to steal the coffee
38:11 <Halcyon> Sooo stupid
38:15 <Halcyon> Hahahaha
38:49 <Halcyon> I wonder if it's dishwasher safe?
41:40 <electrohead> o.O
41:42 <electrohead> what the fuck
41:53 <Halcyon> The world is 'tarded
42:13 <Ampera> Halcyon, it's not
42:17 <Ampera> it's also not submersible
42:29 <Halcyon> *sigh*
42:30 <Ampera> they have an improved version which apparently is dishwasher safe though
42:41 <Halcyon> That it, I'm going to invent app-controller underpants
42:49 <Halcyon> No idea what it will do, maybe tell you when they need washing?
42:52 <Ampera> already invented
42:55 <Halcyon> But they wouldn't be machine washable
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06:36 <steve30> Maybe the underwear could send you a notification when you are horny?
07:56 <steve30> hmm, coppercone is in the other channel being 'homocidal'
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12:32 <Halcyon> Homocidal?
12:43 <steve30> yup
12:58 <Halcyon> As in?
13:12 <steve30> <coppercone21> man that makes me homocidal
21:43 <MrMobodies> Someone gave me a 3m hix vision camerz
21:52 <MrMobodies> all works but problems with the email side
22:08 <MrMobodies> applied firmware update one option works but the other still doesn't
22:48 <MrMobodies> I notice horrid things, fixed toolbar, dimming after every dialogue and the firmware doing strange things
22:57 <MrMobodies> unjoining the DHCP and requesting a new one
23:15 <MrMobodies> until I set it to static
23:41 <MrMobodies> and when it changed, the email test function doesn't report that the camera is disconnected
23:58 <MrMobodies> and also the settings seem burried in "advanced"
24:44 <MrMobodies> and what easy before seems to have become
24:47 <MrMobodies> oh well I got it working
24:58 <MrMobodies> I want to put that in the attic
25:15 <MrMobodies> so when a rat is caught in a cage I can go up and get it
25:35 <Halcyon> I don't understand the context steve30
25:50 <Halcyon> Also, why the hell isn't coppercone etc... in here?
26:06 <steve30> I just thought 'homocidal' was a fun misspelling
26:07 <Halcyon> ThunderSqueak, made it in... squeeee squee sqee
26:13 <Halcyon> Oh right
26:40 <Halcyon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X04GTFuqf8s
26:42 <MrMobodies> does anyone here use Hicksvision stuff?
26:51 <Halcyon> Like the cameras?
27:21 <MrMobodies> yes
27:35 <Halcyon> I've played with them a bit, but not a huge amount
27:37 <Halcyon> What do you need?
27:51 <MrMobodies> well I want to get motion record to work
27:59 <MrMobodies> I think I got the email side working
28:09 <MrMobodies> there are things broken with it
28:16 <MrMobodies> going to use it in the attic
28:18 <Halcyon> But it won't record?
28:27 <MrMobodies> so it sends emails on motion
28:36 <MrMobodies> it has a build in SD card slot
28:46 <MrMobodies> I have one on order
29:02 <MrMobodies> I got an large SD card in a adaptor but for someone not formatting
29:20 <Halcyon> How big is the card?
29:23 <MrMobodies> so when it arrives today I'll see if it is a firmware issue or the sdcard
29:31 <MrMobodies> it has a compact slot
29:37 <Halcyon> As in size
29:39 <MrMobodies> but I got this adaptor to fit a large card
29:47 <Halcyon> *capacity
30:57 <MrMobodies> 32gb in there
31:13 <MrMobodies> I did have 1 gb Mini sd but I can't find it anymore
31:16 <MrMobodies> oops 16gb
31:47 <MrMobodies> actually I have a 2gb mini I;lk see if that'll format in there
32:30 <MrMobodies> https://i.imgur.com/F9YRAdr.jpg
34:53 <Halcyon> That should be fine
35:08 <Halcyon> I do know those Micro SD to SD adapters are sometimes a bit dicky
35:16 <Halcyon> Do you have another one you can test?
36:11 <MrMobodies> right 2gb in there let's see still formatting
36:27 <MrMobodies> could be some issue with that larger one
37:09 <Halcyon> The Hikvisions should support up to 128 GB
37:37 <MrMobodies> yep it works
37:37 <Halcyon> The only other thing I would recommend is check the specs for your particular model and update the firmware
37:50 <MrMobodies> https://i.imgur.com/bTwQrRo.jpg
37:54 <MrMobodies> I did do an update
38:01 <MrMobodies> and it looks terrible and unstable
38:39 <MrMobodies> it keeps on changing ip address until I set it to static after the update
38:58 <MrMobodies> and whilst it was doing that the email test reported "failed" when it wasn't doing anything
39:13 <Halcyon> You still use Internet Explorer?
39:14 <Halcyon> :P
39:16 <MrMobodies> there some issue with ssl
39:21 <MrMobodies> oh to get the video viewer working
39:30 <MrMobodies> on that particiular model
40:04 <MrMobodies> there seems ot be some issues with the Email ssl and they added some other stuff
40:13 <MrMobodies> and it still broke
41:57 <MrMobodies> https://www.use-ip.co.uk/forum/threads/solved-hikvision-gmail-failure.775/page-2
42:04 <MrMobodies> https://i.imgur.com/6Z6I40c.jpg
42:18 <MrMobodies> I tried the same settings on an old email client and it worked fine
42:28 <MrMobodies> using the ISP email and Gmail
43:35 <MrMobodies> on the first page of that thread ". The only downside is that the image size is only 352 x 240,"
43:38 <MrMobodies> not very good is it?
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44:28 <MrMobodies> I have an old analogue Qvis (possible a rebranded Dahaua)
44:53 <MrMobodies> and that works fine
45:01 <MrMobodies> with the email stuff
45:09 <Halcyon> Yeh, personally I avoid those Chinese cameras
45:34 <graybeard> I think the last time I used IRC was more than 25 years ago
46:04 <steve30> Welcome back :)
46:07 <Halcyon> Welcome graybeard
46:29 <Halcyon> MrMobodies, I use Axis cameras where possible, but they also aren't cheap
47:30 <graybeard> I think I had a 128K dual ISDN connection
47:34 <Halcyon> Also our cyber security and intelligence agencies have advised against using Hikvision and Dahua cameras due to their... let's say, limited level of security from evesdroppers
47:41 <MrMobodies> Axis I heard of them and their printservers
47:48 <Halcyon> graybeard, fancy. Most of us had dialup :P
47:50 <MrMobodies> yes I don't trust them
48:27 <Halcyon> Axis have been making cameras, print servers and other devices for decades. Really good quality gear.
48:36 <MrMobodies> when it is all finished I'll be checking up on it and the firewall
48:36 <Halcyon> One of the few brands approved for use in high security environments
48:44 <MrMobodies> I'll take a look at that Axis
48:55 <graybeard> It was very fast for the time. I connected to the internet through the ISDN directly to my employer who was on one of the original internet nodes.
49:08 <Halcyon> I remember my first job was for an ISP run out of a garage (literally)
49:37 <Halcyon> It was I think 4 (at the time) 128k ISDN lines coming in to a Windows NT box with two pools of analog modems connected to it
49:40 <MrMobodies> well
49:40 <MrMobodies> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1x-Axis-M3011-IP-PoE-Network-CCTV-Camera/194012030990
49:43 <Halcyon> The ISDN lines were the backhaul
49:44 <MrMobodies> isn't that nice
49:46 <MrMobodies> "30 each
49:51 <MrMobodies> oops £20 each
49:58 <Halcyon> Gee, that's not bad
50:07 <Halcyon> VGA resolution though
50:35 <graybeard> My 1st server was in a retail space in a building next to IANNA in Marina del Rey
51:18 <graybeard> I had three phone lines connected to my beach cave. Two for the dual ISDN and one for the voice line.
52:06 <MrMobodies> ooOH i remember something
52:08 <MrMobodies> in 2010
52:17 <MrMobodies> A poe camera named Axis
52:18 <MrMobodies> No leds
52:23 <MrMobodies> being tested in a company
52:30 <MrMobodies> I think cost £600
52:37 <MrMobodies> all IP and built in webserver
52:40 <MrMobodies> it was for a bank
52:43 <graybeard> For outside my house I use WYZE cameras. I have been very happy with them
53:14 <MrMobodies> It looked a bit like this: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Axis-M1143-l-CCTV-IP-camera-Power-Over-Ethernet/164795927026
54:22 <Halcyon> That's one of the reasons why I like Axis, they have their own webserver, but they will also upload generic video to FTP, SMB shares etc...
54:34 <Halcyon> No need for a proprietary recorder or anything like that
55:58 <MrMobodies> I am not sure if the one I saw was an axis but I found a picture
55:59 <MrMobodies> https://i.imgur.com/LJKaCqL.jpg
55:59 <graybeard> My wyzw cams record about 4 days to an internal micro SD card which I can access with my cell phone though the WYZE app.
56:38 <MrMobodies> the one in the background that is standing up
58:38 <MrMobodies> aah similar looking one but oldeR: http://www.networkcamerareviews.com/networkcameras/axis/211A/camera_details.html
01:30 <Halcyon> So graybeard what brings you back to IRC?
02:04 <graybeard> I saw the notice on eevblog.com and was curious
02:09 <Halcyon> Ah yes
02:27 <Halcyon> People filter in and out, timezones and all
02:40 <graybeard> I downloaded mIRC and here I am
02:40 <Halcyon> Unless you're T3sl4... he seems to always be here, regardless of the time
02:47 <Halcyon> Hahah good old mIRC
02:52 <Halcyon> 6.22 was my favourite
03:52 <graybeard> I vaguely remembered using mIRC many years ago
05:23 <ThunderSqueak> hi there Halcyon :)
05:39 <Halcyon> Hey ThunderSqueak squee squeee
05:51 <ThunderSqueak> why squee squee? :P
07:02 <Halcyon> Because your nick always reminds me of https://i.imgur.com/8BjWNaah.jpg
07:34 <ThunderSqueak> heh :P
07:53 <Halcyon> I had guinea pigs as a kid
10:19 <ThunderSqueak> ah, cool :)
13:41 <Halcyon> What's been happening ThunderSqueak ?
13:50 <ThunderSqueak> watching rifftrax with my wife atm, so might be slow to respond :>
14:08 <Halcyon> All good. I'm on leave, so I'm just being lazy and loitering
14:11 <ThunderSqueak> not much, just trying to survive
14:17 <ThunderSqueak> ah :)
14:54 <Halcyon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfp8Kwm5zTA
14:55 <Halcyon> Neat
15:34 <ThunderSqueak> we just watched https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4QV28a-Re8
16:22 <Halcyon> Never seen it
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32:16 <arch> nyan nyan :3
32:16 <arch> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKCGRVsAZhk
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32:16 <Tezzers> Nekos are weird
32:16 <Tezzers> I don't get them
32:16 <Tezzers> I mean furries are pretty much cosplay
32:16 <Tezzers> But are nekos lumped in with like that therian/otherkin/whatever that think they're not completely human?
32:16 <Tezzers> Or is it just furry, but for cat girls instead of animals?
32:16 <Ampera> Anyone who doesn't copulate for the sole purpose of pleasureless reproduction should be shot, executed, then crucified, shot again, and then hung
32:16 <arch> hey, this is a strictly christian channel. no violence pls
32:16 <Tezzers> Christian you say?
32:16 <T3sl4> probably the same spectrum, from those clipping on ears because it's cute, to the neckbeards that want to breed drooling anime catgirls without frontal lobes
32:16 <Tezzers> I can find a few cute guys named Christian to make the channel Christian again
32:17 <Ampera> printed the case I made for my router
32:17 <Ampera> first thing that happened after 6 hours or more of printing
32:17 <Ampera> standoffs snapped right the fuck off
32:17 <Ampera> I think a V2 may be in order...
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02:17 <AndroUser> Amazing
08:25 <Halcyon> Ampera: https://youtu.be/rzLecfDKeKM?t=105
08:30 <Halcyon> I really want these noodles
08:33 <Halcyon> Also welcome AndroUser
09:45 <AndroUser> Hello Halcyon. Pretty hostile IRC server though..
15:24 <Halcyon> What do you mean?
28:23 <AndroUser> First time I use this server and not ah used irc for over 16 years.. and get a message that my ip is banned...
28:35 <Halcyon> Are you using a VPN?
29:00 <AndroUser> No, I am on Mobile network now
29:17 <steve30> AndroUser, yeah, it likes to ban certain IPs for some reason. I tried to connect from a mobile network a while back and it only worked intermittently
29:24 <Halcyon> If you give me the IP address you were using, I can have a look at the reason for the ban
30:00 <AndroUser> Ok. Yeah I just bought this house so its not like I have this ip that long...
31:15 <AndroUser> Oh I can not pm in this app...
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34:56 <Halcyon> Usually if an IP is banned, it's because someone before you had ruined it for you
35:03 <Halcyon> Particularly on VPNs or other shared IPs
35:17 <Halcyon> But let me look into it
38:32 <AndroUser> During the viewing of this house I did notice the kid of the family that lived here also had scopes, but would be pretty crazy if that is the case.
41:04 <Halcyon> Well IP addresses these days are likely shared
41:12 <Halcyon> Even on static internet connections
41:32 <Halcyon> It's common in the US to use CG-NAT not only on cellular connections but fixed ones as well.
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42:23 <AndroUser> Oh, well I hope they fix their banning method.
42:47 <AndroUser> Maybe they do not like European people on this server 🤔
43:09 <Halcyon> Hehe :P I'll help you sort it out
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44:48 <steve30> I know Ysjoelfir had trouble a while back
47:28 <Halcyon> Oh we worked out what that was... that was only because he was German
47:31 <Halcyon> :P Only kidding
48:22 <AndroUser> Haha, well that makes sense
49:48 * T3sl4 hugs Halcyon
50:32 <AndroUser> I do live 5 km from 🇩🇪
51:18 <Halcyon> Oh hey T3sl4
54:17 <steve30> Halcyon will be intrigued to know that I'm currently trying to take some new photos of myself
55:40 <Halcyon> OK ?
56:48 <AndroUser> Haha??
57:43 <Halcyon> Am I missing something?
05:42 <T3sl4> not anymore https://imgur.com/gallery/1uqjO2o
06:03 <Halcyon> Hahahaha
07:18 <Halcyon> T3sl4:
07:20 <Halcyon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pyMVKOcutA
11:23 <T3sl4> what kind of arcade has you pick a prize that's obnoxiously loud? oh wait..
15:30 <K> hello clamps
15:30 <EEVBlog> Hello there, K!
16:02 <Halcyon> I still have no idea why the bot loves you so much K
16:23 <K> coz im the only one talking to it
16:29 <Halcyon> :P
16:30 <K> statistically
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16:44 <T3sl4> hello
16:45 <EEVBlog> Hello there, T3sl4!
16:48 <steve30> hello EEVBlog
16:49 <Halcyon> Dammit
16:54 * T3sl4 razzes at Halcyon
17:09 <Halcyon> This is a conspiracy, I'm sure of it
18:08 <AndroUser> Haha
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23:44 <AndroUser2> Well
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32:36 * T3sl4 wonders if AndroUser2 will ever find a GynoUser and settle down
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54:28 <Halcyon> Time to go make dinner
54:58 <Ysjoelfir> no, its breakfast time
55:09 * steve30 was just pondering food
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00:58 <T3sl4> i just made hash browns (of a sort) :)
01:11 <steve30> https://www.flickr.com/photos/36651585@N04/51099035935/in/dateposted-public/
01:20 <steve30> Here's my "corrected" council form
01:43 <Ysjoelfir> I wonder why you always have one part of a circuitboard where it just looks crowded no matter what you try
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03:31 <T3sl4> Ysjoelfir: why not the whole thing? ;)
06:57 <Ysjoelfir> because I like it to look neat :P
07:41 <Ysjoelfir> heck, I am even annoyed that I don't have the space to place two GND Vias at the same distance to my MCU xD
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14:57 <Halcyon> steve30: Seems like Nat has a problem - https://www.flickr.com/photos/36651585@N04/51054360556/
15:05 <Halcyon> She might need to get that looked at
17:56 <steve30> hehe
19:45 <T3sl4> well, don't use that network address translator then
21:47 <Ysjoelfir> https://snipboard.io/4SWbDP.jpg I realy don't like the right side of that. just looks so crowded.
23:00 <T3sl4> nothing really looks any worse anywhere on that board, Ysjoelfir
23:03 <T3sl4> at least on that layer
24:04 <Ysjoelfir> I somehow don't like that I had to go around the "port" of the right microphone with the two data lines for the flash on the bottom right.
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27:41 <Ysjoelfir> https://snipboard.io/v1wspr.jpg thats the bottom layer.
27:54 * T3sl4 shrug
28:12 <T3sl4> you could use one or two less vias in a group, that ought to free up a trace or two :P
28:46 <Ysjoelfir> But I love overdoing it with vias! XD
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40:45 <Flower> hi!
41:13 <T3sl4> hi
41:57 <Flower> it's so weird not to be able to visit the website haha
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42:29 <T3sl4> yeah
44:02 <steve30> Well, the website failure is certainly creating a lot of IRC traffic
44:14 <Ysjoelfir> i Wonder.... in my younger days I was always browsing forums of all sorts and participating. Nowadays somehow I tend to not realy participate at all, because.... I dunno why
44:58 <steve30> I don't use forums as much nowadays as most of my general chatting is done on IRC
45:34 <Flower> more than chatting i like to see what other people are doing, so i used to browse the forum a lot
45:59 <Flower> until the fire nation attacked!
46:33 <T3sl4> forums have certainly faded with broader social media
47:02 <Ysjoelfir> I thought that this might be the reason for me as well, but back than I tended to engage in topics way more than I do now. it is probably a good thing, judged by my older posts... xD
47:39 <Flower> does eevblog have a discord channel? that would be nice, like kind of forum, separating channels into topics, and kind of like chat
47:43 <Ysjoelfir> I recently looked into my old posts on the Hardwareluxx forums. I made 16.000 posts in 3 years. :X
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50:24 <T3sl4> sounds about right
51:09 <Ysjoelfir> well... problem is, I was 14 when I started. aaaaand.... I am not proud of those posts :D
51:40 <Flower> xD
51:43 <T3sl4> most of my early history is buried in the earlier internet
52:01 <T3sl4> though i made the mistake of posting on usenet, but that's widely forgotten today
52:36 <Flower> what is that?
53:45 <T3sl4> nntp?
54:18 <Flower> also had to google that one x.x
55:36 <Ysjoelfir> I just noticed that I accidentally designed a penis into this board
56:02 <T3sl4> 8===D
56:19 <Ysjoelfir> yes
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12:29 <DogWomble> Ysjoelfir, you can get around it by saying you were designing Pen Island
13:01 <Ysjoelfir> oh, right! I should do exactly that
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14:15 <Halcyon> Penis Land/
14:16 <Halcyon> ?
14:33 <Ysjoelfir> indeed
14:36 <Halcyon> :P
14:49 <Halcyon> How are you Ysjoelfir, my favourite German
15:21 <DogWomble> who wants to come and scratch my back?
15:24 <Ysjoelfir> I am rather finde, my dearest finnish australian :) How about you?
15:37 * Ysjoelfir reaches for the smelly pointy stick and approaches DogWomble
15:59 <DogWomble> :D
16:02 <Halcyon> I am well
16:11 <Halcyon> I made my Katsudon recipe again tonight
16:13 <Halcyon> It was yummy
16:19 <Ysjoelfir> nice
16:32 <DogWomble> on a different note, my bike + dropper post = awesome
16:32 <Ysjoelfir> I made noodle..... erm..... stuff
16:48 <DogWomble> it took 5 months to get delivered, but it's finally on the bike
16:49 <Halcyon> Noodle "stuff" ?
16:52 <Ysjoelfir> "pasta bake" according to dict.cc
16:58 <Halcyon> Ahh
16:59 <Halcyon> Yes
17:07 <Ysjoelfir> so what bike did you get doggy?
17:11 <Halcyon> Pasta bake is so versatile and delicious
17:59 <DogWomble> The bike is the same bike I've had for a years - a malvern star switch 29-7 hardtail
18:14 <DogWomble> what's been added is a dropper post, so i can adjust the seat height without having to get off the bike
18:48 <DogWomble> it basically means i can put the seat into a good position for climbing and general riding, but lower it so i can actually get on and off the thing with my slightly awkwardly tight hamstrings
19:25 <Ysjoelfir> oh, that sounds nice and very usefull :) I am going for a ride soon if it doesn't start to rain. have to go to the doctors this afternoon.
19:42 <Ysjoelfir> also Halcyon, yes, it is indeed. I made it simple this time, with onions and ham
19:45 <DogWomble> yeah, it is, it basically means i can climb without giving myself a heart attack :)
20:00 <Ysjoelfir> hehe
20:16 <Halcyon> Did you make it with a creamy/cheesy sauce?
20:17 <steve30> Hardly surprising that Halcyon made an appearance the moment penis was mentioned
20:26 <DogWomble> https://www.pro-bikegear.com/global/mtb/seatposts/koryak-dropper-post-70 <-- that's basically what i got
20:38 <Halcyon> Who said penis?
21:30 <Ysjoelfir> yes, creamy cheesy creamcheese sauce to be specific :P and I said penis. I accidentally designed one into my board
21:30 <steve30> Ysjoelfir
21:44 * Halcyon scrolls up
21:58 <Ysjoelfir> DogWomble, that looks fancy. was that expensive?
22:14 <DogWomble> it was about $AU300 if memory serves
22:29 <Halcyon> Oh
22:33 <Ysjoelfir> I have a seatpostthing with an integrated suspension spring thingy, which is very nice but also expensive as hell
22:33 <DogWomble> basically that plus a new seat, repairing my brakes and a full bike service was just shy of $600
22:40 <Halcyon> I was making a reference to something else :P
22:40 <Ysjoelfir> yikes
22:49 <Ysjoelfir> thats basically what I paid for my whole bike :d
23:04 <DogWomble> yeah, this one did cost a bit, but i wanted something reliable that could cope with my fatfuck arse
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23:26 <Ysjoelfir> same, which is why I decided against the 199€ bikes I always had and got a 650 one
23:41 <DogWomble> yeah, i've spent quite a bit on the bike over the years, i'd say i'd spent over $3,000 over the years for the bike, servicing and upgrades
24:01 <DogWomble> yeah, mine was RRP $800, but i ended up getting it for cost price
24:15 <Ysjoelfir> well, if you use it a lot thats money well spent imho
24:28 <steve30> My road bike cost me about £450 when I got it new, but its probably had >£500 of parts added or replaced over the 10 years I've had it
24:38 <DogWomble> so not a high end bike, but definitely a step up from the supermarket bikes
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25:16 <Ysjoelfir> I have mine for... 3 years now. got it when I had the car accident as I couldn't afford a new car. worth the price imho
25:56 * Halcyon pokes gnif to see if he is still alive
26:04 <DogWomble> yeah, mine was bought new in 2014, i've given it a few upgrades since then and get it properly serviced every 6 months or so
26:36 <steve30> I need to put new chains on both my bikes in the near future
26:46 <DogWomble> so i've done a suspension upgrade, seatpost upgrade, and done a slight upgrade to the gears as well
26:59 <Ysjoelfir> I have to bring it to some bike shop soon, had a little pebcak and bent two.... god damn, all those words I don't know....
27:06 <Ysjoelfir> spokes
27:26 <DogWomble> yeah, should get that checked
27:37 <DogWomble> don't want to pancake the wheel next time you hit a bump :)
28:56 <Ysjoelfir> I had old NVA backpacks as sidebags on the back. those had some metal.... clip thingies to attach to the uniforms. one of that got caught in full drive at a spoke, ripped the bag in half and threw me to the ground.
29:13 <DogWomble> that sounds painful
29:32 <Ysjoelfir> it was.
29:39 <DogWomble> i tend to ride with backpacks if i need to ride with a bag, basically only clip the stuf that needs to be clipped to the bike
29:48 <DogWomble> given i do some off road stuff, it's basically less clattering about
30:47 <Ysjoelfir> I used those bags all the time on my simson S50, so I thought why not use it on a regular bike as well. sadly the cable tie broke and the thing got into the wheel. meh.
31:40 <DogWomble> well i think the worst i've had is on a pedestrian crossing, an SUV driver saw the pedestrian in front of me but someone the fat bastard on the bike behind them was completely invisible
31:53 <Ysjoelfir> I recently got one of those shopping trolleys with an additional "trailer hook" for a bicycle. damn, thats so convenient for the city, nothing on your back thats annoying, nothing on the wheel itself... perfect. but expensive.
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32:01 <Ysjoelfir> lol
32:06 <Halcyon> DogWomble, was it a Subaru driver? :P
32:10 <DogWomble> luckily i've taught myself to trust my peripheral vision so i was able to scream at them to stop before they did me too much damage....
32:18 <DogWomble> i can't remember the car, jsut that it was a black suv :)
33:10 <doggyrat> hello Halcyon i finally made it i am too dumb to type the correct letters
33:19 <Halcyon> Welcome doggyrat
33:28 <Halcyon> It's actually quite busy in here most of the time
33:33 <Ysjoelfir> now we have two doggys!
33:46 <DogWomble> um ... meow?
34:04 <Halcyon> doggyrat comes from #sydney
34:04 <Ysjoelfir> oh, nevermind, its only one
34:22 <doggyrat> can anyone recommend an android for raspberry pi 2 used as tv box
34:31 <Halcyon> Kodi
34:43 <Halcyon> It's not Android but Kodi works well
35:09 * doggyrat is located in Germany in Nuremberg
35:17 <DogWomble> it's not android, but i'm tempted to get a raspberry pi just so i can run RiscOS
35:30 <Halcyon> doggyrat, there are other krauts here
35:33 * Halcyon leers at Ysjoelfir 
35:37 <Ysjoelfir> ew, where!?
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35:42 <Halcyon> :P
35:46 <DogWomble> as long as they're not saurkraut?
35:59 <T3sl4> mmm, saurkraut
36:00 <Ysjoelfir> no, I'm sweet, with apple
36:08 * T3sl4 nibbles on Ysjoelfir
36:10 <DogWomble> i havent' had saurkraut in years
36:11 <Halcyon> Sauerkraut is awesome
36:13 <DogWomble> it's actually delicious
36:21 <doggyrat> to become saur in german means to get into a bad mood
36:26 <Halcyon> Although I do prefer kimchi
36:31 <Ysjoelfir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1y2ursxlEb1Wo2nlM8gy9CzjN7JRCdkX1/view?usp=sharing Looks like I have to use the car, not the bike. meh.
37:05 <doggyrat> if you are talking like that Krauts become SauerKrauts
37:44 * Ysjoelfir is becoming sour because the stupid neighbour is doing some loud stuff which annoys the heck out of him
38:01 <Halcyon> What's he doing?
38:06 <DogWomble> does it involve the sound of squeaking mattresses?
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39:21 <Ysjoelfir> at first he was pressure washing his driveway, then he did something with a leaf blower, and now he is going onto his fence with an angle grinder
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39:59 <Ysjoelfir> at first he was pressure washing his driveway, then he did something with a leaf blower, and now he is going onto his fence with an angle grinder
40:05 <Halcyon> He loves the machines
40:19 <Ysjoelfir> at least someone to love for him
42:52 <T3sl4> idunno, i'm on the fence about it. or he is, at least
43:07 <Ysjoelfir> lol
43:51 <DogWomble> well he's got his blower out by the sound of it :)
44:46 <DogWomble> so he's sucking, blowing, and grinding loudly in his driveway
44:54 <Ysjoelfir> yes.
44:56 <Halcyon> Who's on Grindr?
44:57 <Halcyon> :P
45:02 <Ysjoelfir> and being annoying as well
45:06 <DogWomble> i used to be ;P
45:16 <Ysjoelfir> I was once, for a few minutes
45:17 <Halcyon> Filth
45:18 <Halcyon> :P
45:43 <steve30> I've never used Grindr
45:52 * Ysjoelfir expects Halcyon to once again state that he is the gayest straight person he knows
45:54 <steve30> I don't believe they support Linux
46:25 <DogWomble> well i've always run it on a mobile device :p
47:19 <DogWomble> but i've found it was just full of people, some of whom don't have photos, who are tryign to convince you they're the best looking guy you'll ever meet and the best shag you'll ever have, but your'e a timewaster if you don't want to have it happen right this second
47:34 <DogWomble> i kinda got over that very quickly and cancelled the account :)
48:11 <Halcyon> :P
48:55 <Halcyon> Nah Ysjoelfir, you haven't met my friend Patrick
49:00 <Halcyon> He is uber gay for a straight guy
49:09 <Ysjoelfir> lol
50:36 <steve30> is Patrick on grindr?
51:15 <Halcyon> Hah no
51:23 <Halcyon> He has a wife, who is really pretty and lovely
51:30 <Halcyon> Punching above his weight for sure
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53:14 <Halcyon> I've been craving ramen again
53:45 <steve30> I just uploaded a couple of this morning's photographs to my fetlife page :p
54:10 <Halcyon> Link me in steve30
54:11 <Halcyon> :P
55:30 <steve30> You'll have to find it :p
57:16 <Halcyon> Meh
57:42 <doggyrat> Halcyon: i do like the expression "punching above his weight" that does mean his wife is much too pretty for him
57:49 <Halcyon> doggyrat, yes
59:55 <doggyrat> but it seem that he is going something right, because he can hold and keep her
04:03 <Halcyon> Yeh, he can cook
04:06 <Halcyon> Like me :P
04:13 <Halcyon> We always wow her with food
04:21 <Halcyon> She is a cool chick though
06:59 <doggyrat> Halcyon: no need to be jealous about her
07:20 <Halcyon> I;m not
07:22 <Halcyon> I'm gay
08:25 <doggyrat> that is what i did mean, but i was not sure if you did your coming out here
08:37 <Halcyon> I'm out everywhere
08:42 <Halcyon> Have been since I was a teenager
09:19 <doggyrat> there is nothing wrong about being gay or lesbian or bi
09:25 <Halcyon> I know
09:32 <Halcyon> I'm one of the cool kids :P
10:09 <Watcher> ut is it already legal to marry as a gay man in australia?
10:55 <DogWomble> it has been for a few years now
11:24 <Halcyon> Since 2017
11:39 <doggyrat> i do not understand why most men are homophobe, may be they are afraid passing you by will make the catch the gay :P
11:54 <Watcher> i aksed because it was in the media at that time but i coulned remember if it was official
12:19 <Halcyon> doggyrat: Jealousy, mixed with old fashioned closed-minded thinking
12:32 <Halcyon> I like having nice things :P
14:42 <doggyrat> in one way i am in a kind of old fashion mind thinking , because i do not what to cheat my wife and i never cheated my girlfriend
15:03 <Halcyon> Who said anything about cheating?
15:11 <doggyrat> may be because i am that ugly that i never had the occasion
15:42 <Halcyon> Now now, don't be like that
16:16 * steve30 is going for a shower
16:23 <doggyrat> it is a question of fairness and trust
16:45 * Halcyon watches steve30 in the shower
16:45 <doggyrat> steve30: the topic made you need a cold shower :P
17:02 <DogWomble> don't be like that doggyrat, i'm the one that looks like a sack of wet mouldy potatoes
32:23 <doggyrat> i would not bet on that , this is a channel i am in on Dalnet chillin.cafe have a look at their simple website
33:12 <prometheus> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/aI1EkbOQ/charger.png
33:15 <prometheus> what sorcery is this?
33:46 <Halcyon> You look just like a German doggyrat :P
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36:32 <Halcyon> The memorials section is sad to read however
37:47 * Ampera sneezes at Halcyon 
38:13 * Halcyon licks Ampera's face
38:24 <T3sl4> prometheus: looks like they wanted to use an N-ch MOSFET bidirectionally without having to use two in series, so the substrate (body) is switched instead. i guess that can work.
38:41 * T3sl4 eats Ampera's delicious sneezeparticles
38:43 <doggyrat> Halcyon: i know it is sad to read , but i like that they are having such a kind of section
38:56 <Halcyon> Indeed
39:20 <doggyrat> T3sl4: as a kind of H-bridge
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40:13 <T3sl4> not really?
40:18 <T3sl4> maybe it's part of one idk
42:27 <Halcyon> Stupid daylight savings
42:34 <Halcyon> Everything moved back an hour
43:03 <Ysjoelfir> EEVBlog convert 5000f to c
43:03 <EEVBlog> The result is: 2,760 c
43:26 <doggyrat> i hate daylight saving time too , and it does not save anything only that people feel wrecked in the morning
44:48 <T3sl4> stupid america
45:00 <Halcyon> We know T3sl4 :P
45:08 <T3sl4> oh wait, others imported that bad idea too
45:57 <Halcyon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtMZRcGX9lM
46:03 <Halcyon> I need to stop watching noodle videos
46:44 * Ampera videos Halcyon's noodle
46:51 * Halcyon wiggles it
48:32 * T3sl4 films electrohead filming it
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49:04 <Halcyon> electrohead went to bed
50:07 <Halcyon> I might go toast half a bagel
50:15 <Halcyon> I am hooked
50:35 <T3sl4> you're assuming he didn't set up a... motion detect camera or something
50:36 <chekhov_wfh> hmm, interesting to see at the end, what's the max # of users show up here during site outage
50:59 <Halcyon> It usually hovers around 45-50 on a normal day
51:14 <Halcyon> I think most poeple don't bother, even during an outage
52:07 <doggyrat> not the numbers of users in a channel is important , the quality of chat and how people interact with each other
52:15 <Halcyon> This is also true
52:24 <doggyrat> i do like this channel
54:01 <K> it depends on your luck
54:25 <K> you could strike out and see T3sl4 and NeroThz discussing rf/hf stuff
54:57 <T3sl4> just don't water K, we don't have class D fire extinguishers in here ;)
54:58 <K> or you not and have me, Ysjoelfir and hsn talk about differences of toilet hardware in respective regions
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56:20 * Ampera douses T3sl4 in Halon
57:09 <T3sl4> ^
57:58 <Halcyon> You guys are weird :P
58:45 * T3sl4 noogies Halcyon
59:32 * Ampera wafts some Dichlorodifluoromethane at Halcyon 
59:38 <chekhov_wfh> doggyrat: yep, number it not important, but I've never (I believe) joined this channel yet, so just was curious
01:53 <Halcyon> chekhov_wfh, in any case, welcome
02:08 <Halcyon> The subject matter is constantly changing depending who is awake
02:40 <T3sl4> according to some, i'm always awake, so make of that what you will ;)
02:47 <Halcyon> You are
02:59 <Halcyon> I'm still not completely convinced that you are a proper human
03:10 <Watcher> welcome chekhov_wfh
03:14 <Halcyon> You probably take many 10 minute naps while we aren't paying attention :P
04:36 <doggyrat> i do have 3 naps during my day but i take 2 hour naps to recover and make it through my day
04:37 <chekhov_wfh> thanks, not sure I will join frequently, just since I'm using irc to follow xdevs, was easy to checkout what's here, but who knows
05:28 <Halcyon> Also. after watching all of these noodle videos, I think tomorrow for dinner I'll make laksa
06:16 <doggyrat> Halcyon: sorry for asking again, does Kodi enables surfing the internet for media libraries
06:27 <Halcyon> That's fair enough chekhov_wfh, but glad to have you here in the meantime
06:39 <Halcyon> doggyrat, Kodi is a media centre
06:45 <Ampera> and garbage
06:46 <Ampera> >:D
06:47 <Halcyon> But it does have some plugins
07:10 <Halcyon> Ampera: It's fine for those who want an easy to configure and well supported system
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07:19 <Ampera> what kinda moron would want that
07:28 <Watcher> hello Geust60
07:36 <Halcyon> doggyrat is not one of those people who will faff around with Arch and spend half a day learning basic commands
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07:45 <Ampera> next thing I know you'll be telling me plex is fine for those who want to get rid of money in their bank account fast
07:56 <Halcyon> Plex is free?
08:10 <Halcyon> As long as you don't need the licence to stream
08:14 <Ampera> afaik it's proprietary
08:24 <Ampera> Kodi is free though
08:35 <Ampera> at least I recall it being
08:38 <Halcyon> I paid a one off fee for like $100 or so for Plex and I have it for life
08:44 <Halcyon> All bells and whistles included
08:49 <gnif> Interesting not, Plex was a fork of XBMC/Kodi, and after the devs got a ton of help from us... they cut comms and went proprietary
08:53 <gnif> *note
09:07 <gnif> at it's core, it's Kodi
09:25 <Halcyon> I understand that gnif but to be fair, I mostly use Plex so I can watch shit remotely on my phone and share my library easily with mates
09:26 <Ampera> "Plex is free" "I paid 100 bucks for Plex"
09:29 <Ampera> alright then
09:30 <Halcyon> Plex does make it easy
09:46 <Watcher> but can you host your bluray rips also on an kodui server?
09:47 <Halcyon> And Plex is free if all you want to do it watch libraries and have no interest in sharing
10:09 <gnif> I get it... I just refuse to use it as a matter of principal :)
10:12 <Ampera> SFTP has always worked fine for me
10:24 <Halcyon> gnif and I understand that
10:39 <Halcyon> Ampera: And that's wonderful
10:55 <Halcyon> There is more than one "right" way of doing things
10:55 <Ampera> Fuck you, start hating me, asshole
11:07 <Ampera> Perhaps, but there is only one good way of doing things
11:22 <gnif> unless you're apple, and then only apple knows the right way
11:25 <Halcyon> At least with Plex, I can share thing without worrying about VPNs, and it's still encrypted and isolated from the main part of my network
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11:28 <Halcyon> This is all I care about
11:37 <Ampera> Sticking your head in the toilet and screaming until the back water pressure causes it to flush is a "right" way to wash your hair in a hurry
11:40 <Ampera> but it's not a good way
11:40 <Halcyon> gnif, who uses Apple anymore? :P
11:57 <Ampera> I use Apple anymore
12:03 <Halcyon> Ampera: Video plays and automatically transcodes without the end user doing anything
12:07 <Halcyon> Sounds like a good way to me :)
12:18 <Ampera> transcoding is for people too poor to afford decent internet connections
12:37 <Ampera> but as for doing anything, I open up the share, pick the video, and play it
12:43 <Halcyon> Considering the Plex client is native to many TVs, it's just easy and doesn't need the end use to be technically competant.
12:53 <Halcyon> That's up to the server admin to work all that out
12:54 <Ampera> oh god, smart TVs are disgusting
12:59 <Halcyon> Yes
13:01 <Halcyon> They are
13:05 <Halcyon> But my friends use them
13:10 <Ampera> you should get better friends
13:14 <Ampera> including me, why are you even my friend
13:15 <gnif> I think "smart" is a stretch
13:16 <Halcyon> And they want to watch my shit over the internet
13:16 <Ampera> get a better one
13:51 <Halcyon> Plex is quite a polished solution
14:01 <Halcyon> But to be fair gnif, I also use Kodi internally
14:17 <Halcyon> I only use Plex for remote viewing/streaming
15:15 <gnif> not judging anyone for using it... just rubs me up the wrong way that they charge for a product that was effectively stolen
15:54 <Ampera> I am judging everyone for using it
16:03 <Ampera> People shouldn't be allowed to make choices
16:03 <Halcyon> Ampera, you just judge
16:18 <Halcyon> gnif, no and I get that
16:21 <Ampera> maybe I should change my name to Judy and become the terror of daytime white trash television
16:27 <Halcyon> I used Kodi/XBMC long before I used Plex
16:38 <Halcyon> But hey, it does what I need it to do *shrug*
17:07 <gnif> If Ampera can be Judy... Halcyon can be Dr. Phil
17:12 <Halcyon> This is why I don't use Windows 10 :P
17:14 <Ampera> He seems the type
17:22 <Halcyon> Because it does nothing what I need it to do
17:39 <Ampera> Dishonest, generally creepy, and ready to exploit children and families for a profit.
18:06 <gnif> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4F0Mer4kDDY&t=1s
18:11 <Halcyon> Ampera, you know what I do for a living
18:21 <Halcyon> So does gnif
18:28 <Halcyon> You fucking idiot :P
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18:52 * doggyrat needs a break
18:57 <Ampera> gnif, that's pretty good
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19:08 <Ampera> *chair creak*
19:26 <AustUser> Jesus. What is going on with the EEVblog, I feel I have lost a big part of my daily routine. Hope it is up soon.
19:37 <Halcyon> To be fair, the controlling boyfriend is pretty hot, apart from balding
19:51 <Halcyon> Maybe that's why he's upset?
19:54 <Ampera> which one of you is the controlling boyfriend though
20:16 <AustUser> Mm. Wrong chat. Ta ta.
20:35 <Ampera> no it's the right one
20:37 <Ampera> unfortunately
20:44 <AustUser> Okay.
20:55 <AustUser> Haha.
21:04 <AustUser> But it is a circus? lol
21:13 <Halcyon> gnif, reminds me of: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYVqIjjeZxU
21:13 <Ampera> I mean so is the forum
21:16 <Ampera> we just have more clowns
21:22 <AustUser> haha
21:24 * Ampera sprays seltzer water at Halcyon 
21:29 <gnif> When there are no forums, and no servers to maintain, and no posts to moderate... this is how we spend our time
21:38 <AustUser> Okay
21:39 * Ampera creampies T3sl4 
21:41 <Ampera> wait, no
21:53 * T3sl4 sticks his banana in Ampera's cream pie
22:02 <Ampera> oh dear
22:06 <Halcyon> Mmmm banoffi pie
22:07 <AustUser> I suppose everything can't be electronics, meters, caps, and tools, all the time.
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22:22 <AustUser> Okay. Goodnight all.
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22:45 <Halcyon> Well it is tools most of the time
22:47 <Ampera> And thus, the reason why we never go above 50 members
22:50 <Halcyon> Ampera is a giant tool :P
22:51 <gnif> Halcyon, a friend of mine made this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f13EBIUUoK4
23:53 <Watcher> Ampera we are now above 50 users
23:57 <Halcyon> I haven't seen the original so I'm not sure what I'm comparing it to?
24:03 <Ampera> Watcher, I haven't finished yet
24:19 * T3sl4 ruins Ampera's finish
24:27 <Watcher> ok
24:32 * Ampera laquers T3sl4 
24:32 <Halcyon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHkhIjG0DKc
24:38 <Halcyon> This shit makes me laugh out loud
25:13 <Ampera> Oh Halcyon, you're the one person in this world who makes me wonder if gay really is a personality trait.
25:24 <Halcyon> What makes you say that?
25:40 <T3sl4> i mean, there's millions of other gays out there who make it their personality
25:51 <T3sl4> and billions more of straights who do the same...
25:54 <Ampera> because whenever I click on a link you post I'm 90% of the time guaranteed to see the gayest fucking shit ever
26:06 <Halcyon> :P
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26:12 <Ampera> I couldn't even tell you what a straight personality is like if I tried
26:32 <Halcyon> Yes, that's because you're pretty queer yourself
26:42 <Ampera> the mere concept of a gay personality to me is asinine
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26:58 <Ampera> I was once told all bisexuals are supposedly evil, so I'm just making sure I keep up the reputation
28:37 <gnif> thats brilliant Halcyon
29:01 <gnif> re the youtube video
35:29 <Halcyon> :P
40:03 <gnif> 1 of 3 servers are back online...
40:07 <Halcyon> \o/
40:11 <gnif> no website yet though
40:53 <T3sl4> inb4 endless 504 errors :P
40:57 <T3sl4> jk
42:34 <gnif> whoops, dave announced on twitter things are back up... only his email server is
42:45 <Halcyon> :P
43:57 <Halcyon> Ampera, is the twitter feed broken on the bot?
44:06 <Ampera> it's possible
44:14 <Ampera> EEVBlog statuts
44:16 <Ampera> er
44:19 <Ampera> EEVBlog status
44:27 <Ampera> EEVBlog Debug and Version
44:28 <EEVBlog> EEVBot Version 2.21-BETA, uptime: 2473834 seconds.
44:41 <gnif> EEVBlog send me money
44:50 <Halcyon> Hahaha
45:17 <gnif> yup, it's broken
45:47 <Ampera> eevblog status
45:48 <gnif> 26 seconds is more then enough to see a transaction IMO
45:57 <Ampera> huh
46:05 <Ampera> gnif, not here in the land of clearinghouses
46:22 <Ampera> you europangeans are spoiled what with your instant and free personal bank transfers
47:18 <gnif> it's what happens when the banks are upside down
47:18 Quit: EEVBlog ([email protected]) Connection closed
47:21 <Halcyon> That's because cheques are barely a thing and cash is going that way too
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47:57 <Ampera> Here it's pretty much either a mastercard/visa transaction, ATM transaction, or a check
48:48 <Ampera> mastercard/visa charge quite a bit, the debit network is limited in what one can do with it, and checks are how almost every single major transaction in the US is done
48:49 <Ampera> big and small
48:57 <Ampera> eevblog status
49:09 <Ampera> something weird is going on with the bot
49:29 <Ampera> I think an edge case might be happening
49:49 <gnif> what's it written in?
49:58 <Halcyon> Ampera++
50:02 <Ampera> the finest chickenscritch available
50:11 <gnif> sigh... there is your problem
50:47 <Halcyon> Feel free to help us gnif and give us free server space :P
50:59 <Ampera> what's that gonna do :P
51:05 <Halcyon> *shrug*
51:26 <gnif> I reserved 7 whole bits for you Halcyon :P
51:52 <Halcyon> I don't ask for much :P
51:53 <Ampera> I think the problem is the tweet currently on EEVBlog's feed is too long
52:12 <Ampera> Why it hasn't been posting statuses for a while I'm not entirely sure
52:40 <gnif> I wonder if it has something to do with dave's shadowban
52:48 <Ampera> nope
52:56 <Halcyon> It's OK, there are things which we need to fix with the bot anyway and get a decent hosting solution for
52:59 <Watcher> is dave shadowbanned?
53:05 <Ampera> what's wrong with how I host it
53:35 <Ampera> I'll rewrite the bot at some point
53:39 <gnif> If it was hosted properly on the EEV infrastructure it would have done the right thing and gone down with the ship!
53:44 <Halcyon> Well for one, it needs to be running and not in the complete control of one person
53:45 <Ampera> ^
54:35 <Halcyon> Also, it should be able to be deployed anywhere in the world, not just reliant on one machine sitting on your floor
54:58 <Ampera> it can be deployed anywhere
55:03 <Ampera> there's nothing special about where it's being hosted
55:19 <Halcyon> Yes, but no one had a complete build/VM of it running apart from you
55:30 <Halcyon> And if you decide to walk tomorrow, it goes along with you
55:43 <Halcyon> I am talking about solving those single points of failure
55:47 <Ampera> well that's my one bargaining chip
55:55 <Ampera> if I don't have control over the bot you'll ban me in an instant
56:07 <Halcyon> When have I ever banned anyone?
56:22 <Halcyon> Also, you have to remember, EEVblog is Dave's brand, not ours.
56:22 <EEVBlog> You can get that on the internet now?
57:08 <Halcyon> We run this as a service to him, free of charge, but at the end of the day, it's Dave's business and all these little pieces form part of that business.
57:46 <Ampera> it feels like I'm being scolded for running the bot :P
57:56 <Halcyon> I am going through a similar project at work, eliminating single points of failure, and we have a lot of them
57:58 <Halcyon> No, not at all
58:06 <gnif> Halcyon just likes to spank your bum
58:13 <Halcyon> A little :P
58:17 <Ampera> I'd say the bot's had pretty good uptime by me at least
58:31 <Ampera> have no problem sticking it elsewhere, but wherever it goes is just another thing to maintain
58:40 <Halcyon> There have been issues, but those I am happy to discuss with you privately.
58:45 <gnif> I'd be happy to host it on the EEV infrastructure, but I would need to see/audit the code first
59:04 <Ampera> gnif, I'd need to rewrite it first to save from complete embarrassment
59:26 <gnif> offer stands for if/when you're ready :)
59:36 <Halcyon> Let's get those servers up first :P
59:44 <Halcyon> Worry about this thing later
59:45 <Ampera> gnif, you guys run Linux right?
59:51 <gnif> let me ping them a bit harder & faster
59:55 <gnif> Ampera, yes
00:18 <Ampera> Java is what the current bot is written in, something I don't intend to keep
00:37 <gnif> yeah, we wouldn't deploy a java app to the host
01:09 <Ampera> It's useful for me since my server runs FreeBSD
01:35 <gnif> its more about server resources, java is too... unpredictable
01:40 <Ampera> dotnet would be the most practical language to write a novel bot in for me, but I can also understand issues with running that
01:40 <K> Java is nice
01:53 <Ampera> so I'd be willing to rewrite it in C
02:35 <Ampera> Nothing too fancy being done with it, should be able to do most things with libcurl
02:42 <gnif> it would be best in a maintainable language, C would be OK, but python would be preferable.
02:55 <Ampera> I refuse to write in python
04:13 <T3sl4> write it in python, but run it in a jvm with that whatever the pyjava thing is
04:23 <Ampera> the worst of all worlds
04:31 <Halcyon> At the end of the day, this is a project that needs to be cleaned up and it needs to be moved over to some kind of central infrastructure that Dave/gnif has access to
04:41 <Halcyon> It shouldn't be sitting on someone's home internet connection
04:44 <T3sl4> true story, i once used an EM field solver written that way
04:52 <Ampera> My concern I suppose is pushing changes
05:18 <T3sl4> it would leak objects with every geometry edit you made, until by the time it was minutes per op, it crashes with some ungodly stack trace
05:18 <gnif> is there anything sensitive? could it be open sourced on github?
05:36 <Ampera> gnif, the only sensitive thing is the oauth2 keys
05:49 <gnif> that's no big deal, they just wouldn't be in the repo
05:57 <Ampera> I could read them from a file
06:33 <Ampera> I'd be willing to start work on a C port this weekend
07:16 <Watcher> Ampera, there is no back-up of the bot in the hands of someone else?
07:32 <Ampera> nope, I maintain the source code exclusively, in a folder on my desktop :P
07:34 <Watcher> that can host it for the community?
07:37 <Halcyon> There is a test version that has been in development with the help of electrohead and using some of Ampera's source. This came about when the bot last went down.
07:37 <gnif> can you give me a rundown of it's tasks/jobs, there are a few things that would be ideal to include if you're going to re-write it that you likely have not considered
07:50 <Halcyon> We need to discuss this all together in a place that is not here
07:55 <gnif> agreed
08:01 <Ampera> what's wrong with here
08:05 <gnif> too public
08:09 <Ampera> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
08:13 <Halcyon> It doesn't involve everyone else at this stage
08:23 <Halcyon> Features, sure. Backend, nope.
08:31 <Ampera> #eevblogtest is where I programmed my bot
08:53 <Ampera> I'll ban anyone who comes in uninvited
09:14 <Halcyon> Ampera, you're already in a test channel
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18:38 <galvanix> any experience with tool trolleys for semi-portable electronics labs? I'll be moving around a bit and packing up the electronics lab all the time is a huge pain
19:32 <galvanix> the half-decent tool trolleys are all $$ and weigh 25 kg just for the trolley itself
20:11 <Watcher> id the weigth a problem?
20:20 <Watcher> like to lift it?
21:57 <galvanix> yeah, the older places around here don't have elevators, so a trolley that I have to keep packing and unpacking because it weighs 45kg and is impossible to move up the stairs isn't really any improvement over packing a banana crate
23:16 <Watcher> i had the other day the a day to make a with tank tracks to go the stair up and down. maybe you can do that
26:14 <galvanix> that's actually interesting, but nothing ready made seems to be available. I've also seen those carts with a carousel of 3 wheels, that's how heavy packages are delivered by UPS for example
27:19 <Watcher> i will send a link to that 3 wheel design.
27:51 <galvanix> I just thought maybe this is a common enough use case in the community that there would be a preferred solution. Seeing as an electronics lab also needs a workbench, maybe moving the equipment to boxes packing and unpacking as needed is just not that big of a deal
28:02 <Watcher> it is not always the best solution to go up stairs the video will explain it
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29:08 <Watcher> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkqtCoVMfBw
41:26 <K> get a pallet and add some coaster wheels
42:03 <K> if it is just for transportation
45:54 <rust_collector> buy a van, and live in it?
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49:57 <galvanix> #VanLife
59:46 <hsn> van a bay and vile in it ?
00:17 <rust_collector> hi sandbrain
01:42 <hsn> hi brain
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02:02 <hsn> whats going on
02:20 <rust_collector> coffee just coffee.
03:11 <hsn> nice
03:34 <hsn> once upon a time there was somthing called matrix and matrix inverse in my brain
03:38 <hsn> its all vanished
04:28 <rust_collector> hmm.
05:18 <rust_collector> well. time to go deliver a half-finished car to owner. until she gets money to fix the rest
08:12 <smb784> drop it off on the lawn, that'll motivate her
09:50 <rust_collector> meh, it is ok. I guess she did not think power steering pumps were $500+ not that she knew there was anything wrong with that, other than it not working
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10:22 <rust_collector> oh crap
10:24 Mode: (by electrohead) -o electrohead
10:41 <rust_collector> this is getting complicated
10:46 <electrohead> Good morning o/
10:54 <rust_collector> moin moin
13:11 <K> mooning
13:21 <K> everyone loves a good mooning
13:48 <electrohead> And a good moaning
13:51 <electrohead> :P
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