// #eevblog — 2020-06-08
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01:35:30 <Watcher> know some one here more about the multimeter from extech and what for brand it is?
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02:42:56 <rust_collector> https://imgur.com/a/AOTkS1O
02:43:13 <rust_collector> interesting thing.
02:45:12 <steve30> what is it?
02:48:13 <rust_collector> it is a box to drive hid headlight bulbs
02:48:37 <rust_collector> it seems to be pretty much a 494 and the transformers
02:49:11 <rust_collector> i am not sure what the white thing at the bottom is... it is a diode?
02:50:55 <steve30> looks like a gas discharge tube or similar
02:51:03 <rust_collector> hmm, ok
02:52:27 <rust_collector> uhm, so, ie a spark gap?
02:52:46 <steve30> yeah
02:53:36 <rust_collector> right.
02:54:41 <rust_collector> so, you are saying I should connect this to the door handle downstairs?
02:55:20 <steve30> No, but that might be a fun thing to do :p
02:56:12 <rust_collector> I think this thing has some tiny solder blobs bridging here and there. I might try to clean it up, and see if it works.
02:56:23 <rust_collector> the soldering on this is horrible
03:14:22 <coppice> looks like a potted inductor
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03:22:58 <rust_collector> the white thing?
03:23:29 <rust_collector> the other thing seems to be a transformer, potted in some epoxy or something
03:23:44 <steve30> I was wondering what that thing with the wires coming out was.
03:24:42 <steve30> I ought to go to bed
03:34:51 <rust_collector> how long does a bed last in your house?
04:03:44 <Lemon> rusty
04:03:54 <Lemon> have you pleased the vape gods today ?
04:03:59 <rust_collector> Lemon
04:04:17 <rust_collector> probably not. I am not very pleasing
04:04:59 <rust_collector> I did eat a bag of chips with dip...
04:06:24 <Lemon> what have you done...
04:06:36 <Lemon> have you said at least 16 time that you vape today ?
04:06:55 <rust_collector> yes, I have not
04:08:51 <Lemon> one good thing is I have tons of 18650's
04:08:57 <Lemon> so I can charge a few in advance
04:11:06 <steve30> rust_collector, my bed dates from about 1998
04:11:22 <rust_collector> AHA!
04:25:52 <Lemon> this vape thing better be there tommorow, I have almost no tobacco left
04:28:41 <Lemon> so I think I'll get some nice quality cable as said earlier, and some contact cleaner
04:28:57 <Lemon> if the guy accept my offer on the mueller kelvin clips, I'll take them
04:29:15 <Lemon> he sells two for 50 euros, I offered like 30 lol
04:33:43 <rust_collector> ok. I am going to install some stuff on this shitty laptop. if it wants to
04:35:21 <rust_collector> I cleaned this old laptop, and it is blue, lol
04:35:44 <Lemon> dabudidabudaaa budabudiii dabuda
04:42:05 <Lemon> I should do some airsoft one day
04:42:19 <Lemon> but first I should look at my material
04:42:43 <rust_collector> what?
04:42:58 <Lemon> you know, airsoft guns ? those nice replicas that shot 6mm plastic bbs
04:43:22 <Lemon> with some friends we used to play a bit in abandonned places
04:43:23 <rust_collector> mmmh ok
04:44:20 <Lemon> its much fun honestly
04:44:27 <Lemon> and damn those replicas are awesome
04:44:34 <Lemon> blowback and everything
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05:04:44 <rust_collector> hmm, maybe I should make a demagnetiser. I have a lot of magnetic things, that should not be
05:10:10 <Lemon> I like the little one I have, for screwdriver or whatever
05:10:18 <Lemon> it mag/demagnetise
05:11:05 <rust_collector> maybe this is what they made microwave transformers for?
05:12:47 <coppice> I'd hate to have an accident with a demagnetiser, and spoil my amazing personality
05:21:46 <rust_collector> I will follow an indian how to from youtube, so I am not worried about....it working
05:22:15 <rust_collector> let me see, glue magnets to mosfet...
05:52:27 <Lemon> so on the list rusty, cables, calibrated resistors from edwin, find someone to cal my Vref, make a littled divider so I can cal 10/1/100mv ranges
05:52:41 <Lemon> well 20v would be the best for the fluke but heh
05:53:20 <rust_collector> okeh
06:00:43 <Lemon> that would be nice to have at least resistance and low DCV voltages calibrated
06:00:49 <Lemon> for 100V and up well.. idk
06:00:55 <Lemon> lets hope its close enough
06:02:14 <Lemon> ho and I must make that barometer
06:02:19 <Lemon> everything is on breadboard
06:02:41 <rust_collector> is it working? or just a pile of stuff on a breadboard?
06:02:52 <Lemon> second option
06:02:58 <Lemon> never tried
06:03:04 <Lemon> I just laid everything
06:03:29 <rust_collector> well, at least you have everything...
06:03:40 <Lemon> yeah
06:12:07 <Lemon> I hope the sensor is ok, I tried to remove the header but stopped
06:12:22 <Lemon> I figured that it wasnt a problem if it was upside down
06:12:50 <Lemon> I guess it can handle 80C+, so if Ic ould touch it without getting burn, it wasnt at that temp
06:13:55 <Lemon> https://www.ebay.fr/itm/Microphone-Cable-Shielded-Balanced-2-core-20-0-12-mm-Pro-Power-Professional/124137056776?_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20140423084956%26meid%3D65ceca2646464ec8ba1ffa0b2737689d%26pid%3D100033%26rk%3D7%26rkt%3D8%26sd%3D163530034765%26itm%3D124137056776%26pmt%3D0%26noa%3D1%26pg%3D2045573%26brand%3DPRO&_trksid=p2045573.c100033.m2042
06:14:03 <Lemon> I think im getting this one, unless I find a better one
06:15:02 <Lemon> for resistance I need a PTFE insulated one
06:16:20 <Lemon> I wonder if I could shield them myself
06:16:27 <Lemon> is there some separate shield I could get ?
06:16:31 <Lemon> some sort of sheath
06:17:12 <rust_collector> why do you need teflon insulated for measuring resistance?
06:17:22 <Lemon> because of leakage
06:17:35 <Lemon> especially when measuring high resistances
06:18:05 <Lemon> I found some PTFE OFC copper cables, solid core etc
06:18:07 <Lemon> but not shielded
06:18:11 <rust_collector> I am sure you can get a braided sock sort of thing, to put over any cable
06:18:22 <Lemon> https://www.ebay.fr/itm/NEOTECH-Solid-Core-24AWG-UP-OCC-PTFE-Teflon-Hook-Up-Cable-Pure-Copper-Wire-HiEnd/253462257808?hash=item3b03872090:g:rlsAAOSwbjNcPyRD
06:18:28 <Lemon> I could use 4 of those
06:18:32 <Lemon> and shield it
06:19:21 <Lemon> https://www.ebay.fr/itm/20-m-65-6-ft-0-07mm-29-AWG-Military-USSR-Shielded-Teflon-PTFE-Wire-MGTFE/264320827474?hash=item3d8abfc052:g:k0kAAOSwyPlc2R7R
06:19:23 <Lemon> or this one
06:19:37 <Lemon> each wire would be shielded but well
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06:22:41 <Lemon> https://www.ebay.fr/itm/10m-32-ft-26AWG-2X0-14mm2-30X0-08mm-COPPER-SHIELDED-TEFLON-PTFE-CABLE-SQ/152095123951?hash=item23699369ef:g:cRMAAOSwqu9VEA2g even better, this one is two core
06:22:52 <Lemon> so I'd need two of them twisted I guess
06:24:21 <Lemon> the best would be to find a 4 core, shielded, pure OFC, PTFE insulated cable
06:25:15 <Lemon> https://www.ebay.fr/itm/50-FEET-18-4-AWG-SHIELDED-STRANDED-WIRE-CABLE-CNC-STEPPER-MOTORS/351744627477?hash=item51e59d1315:g:F70AAOSwiYFXJTK7 this maybe
06:28:10 <Lemon> idk if shielding is important for resistance, I Know insulation is
06:28:18 <Lemon> maybe its not as important as for DCV
06:32:13 <Lemon> haaa I found some ! 4 x 0.5mm2 OFC 4N, silver plated, PTFE insulated, double shieding and PE exterior insulation
06:32:18 <Lemon> https://www.audiophonics.fr/fr/cables-numeriques-audio-et-video/cable-usb-ofc-ptfe-double-blindage-plaque-argent-o78mm-p-11077.html
06:32:42 <rust_collector> meh, it looks like wires
06:32:42 <Lemon> aw shit, not in stock..
06:32:43 <Lemon> ffs
06:33:00 <rust_collector> well, ask if they will get it any time soon
06:33:54 <Lemon> 30 days minimum
06:57:29 <rust_collector> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDChnhAx1i4
07:10:01 <Lemon> damn, nice
07:11:01 <rust_collector> he put a little motor on it later, lol
07:32:35 <rust_collector> ok, i am back to messing up the poor old blue laptop...again
07:44:46 <rust_collector> Ok, I give up, this thing only wants windows
08:02:53 <rust_collector> well, ok, maybe one more try
08:05:47 <rust_collector> Ysjoelfir, ??
08:27:39 <Ysjoelfir> huh?
08:27:43 <Ysjoelfir> I just wanted to go to bed
08:27:52 <rust_collector> yes, but right now,
08:28:01 <rust_collector> you have to entertain me
08:28:05 <Ysjoelfir> erm
08:28:09 <rust_collector> heh
08:28:12 <Ysjoelfir> you want me to give you a lapdance?
08:28:44 <rust_collector> well, say hello to the mistress, and good night, if you are going to be like that
08:28:53 <Ysjoelfir> xD
08:29:07 <Ysjoelfir> I'll do that. gn8 to you all :)
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08:55:23 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Retweet: You Had One Job!: Americans will use anything for measurement but the metric system. https://t.co/n5W5f9QyTt
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09:57:49 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: I'll say this once. I am keeping all forms of politics off twitter, it's just a toxic platform. No tweet, no response, or no comment is != not caring about something. Here is a nice bit of silicon to enjoy. https://t.co/gKSmB7sO77
10:21:15 <MrMobodies> Hello
10:30:02 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: Still on the original lithium battery after at least 15 years of daily use. Probably some drop in capacity but I haven't noticed. #Impressive https://t.co/zTDw2wlEF9
10:31:01 <Halcyon> I am so tempted: https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Danmere-Backer-PC-video-tape-backup-ISA-card-1996-Retro-collectable-Very-Rare/233612172271?hash=item36645edbef:g:~TAAAOSwG4Be3L3v&frcectupt=true
10:32:02 * Halcyon prods steve30
10:41:03 <MrMobodies> that's an interesting one:
10:41:11 <MrMobodies> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUS0Zv2APjU
10:45:29 <MrMobodies> So for a 3 hour tape that Backer can do 3gb at 9mb a minute
10:52:43 <Halcyon> Something like that
10:52:47 <Halcyon> They are extremely hard to find
10:54:13 <Halcyon> Fuck it, I'm buying it
10:55:49 <Halcyon> It's like AUD$150 delivered
12:24:42 * Halcyon licks Ampera
12:26:59 <DogWomble> i h ope you sanitized first
12:28:41 <Halcyon> Meh
12:28:50 <Halcyon> I wouldn't mind 2 weeks off work :P
12:29:15 <DogWomble> paid holidays are always good
12:29:23 <Halcyon> Yup
12:29:28 <Halcyon> What's going on DogWomble ?
12:29:38 <DogWomble> not much, just watching stuff on youtube
12:29:44 <Halcyon> Yeh same
12:29:56 <Halcyon> I've been doing uni work for the last 3 days, today is my "weekend"
12:30:04 <Halcyon> I haven't even shaved, I look homeless
12:31:41 <DogWomble> i always look homeless :P
12:31:47 <Halcyon> Hahah
12:32:24 <Halcyon> You up for a game of Jackbox or something?
12:32:49 <DogWomble> if we can get a third person, we could possibly do a few games of CAH
12:33:20 * Halcyon prods steve30, Ampera and T3sl4 again
12:42:07 * T3sl4 hashes Halcyon
12:42:22 <T3sl4> i just made hashbrowns :)
12:42:56 <Halcyon> Oh yum
12:43:01 <Halcyon> From scratch?
12:44:02 <T3sl4> how else?
12:45:55 <T3sl4> should've used one or two more potatoes, these were small and they cooked down a lot
12:46:39 <Halcyon> Yum
13:08:40 <Halcyon> "Some Americans are ingesting bleach to ‘ward off’ COVID-19, CDC report finds" Hooray! The Gene pool just got slightly smarter :P
13:08:57 <Halcyon> S-M-R-T
13:11:50 <DHess_US> Had to wear my mask for the first time today. St. Louis County now has standing orders to socially distance and wear masks in public for everybody until further notice.
13:12:15 <DHess_US> Looked for a useless "fuck you" mask to wear in protest.
13:12:33 <Halcyon> I don't understand the mask thing. It doesn't really do anything to prevent spread unless you're already sick.
13:13:01 <DHess_US> It is about virtue signaling. Politicians need to be seen doing something.
13:13:15 <Halcyon> But why not actually, you know, do something?
13:13:26 <DHess_US> I didn't notice them solving or even not hindering the shortage of hand and surface sanitizer.
13:14:15 <DHess_US> They can't increase production of isopropanol because it is tied to petroleum production, which is significantly curtailed.
13:14:53 <DHess_US> And they can't allow hand cleaner to be made with ethanol which could be produced in mass on short notice because fuck you, that's why.
13:15:09 <T3sl4> Halcyon: no one knows they're sick.
13:15:25 <Halcyon> Aren't they doing testing?
13:15:46 <T3sl4> in some areas
13:15:59 <DHess_US> BATFE and FDA got in an argument a couple months ago over replacing isopropanol in cleaners with ethanol and the result is neither will allow it.
13:16:28 <Halcyon> Why are they wanting that?
13:16:29 <DHess_US> Ultimately, this is the fault of Congress, *all* of Congress.
13:16:45 <T3sl4> well, the majority of congress
13:16:54 <DHess_US> No, *all* of Congress.
13:17:20 <DHess_US> They all supported the restrictions. I don't see any of them introducing bills to fix it. So fuck them all.
13:17:33 <DHess_US> And that goes for state politicians as well.
13:18:05 <DHess_US> It should have been fixed months ago but no, have to collect those taxes and stop people from drinking hand sanitizer.
13:18:25 <DHess_US> Instead they had the FDA and BATFE threaten the people who could manufacturer it.
13:18:44 <DHess_US> So the mask thing is a distraction.
13:18:46 <T3sl4> it was fixed 4 years ago before they trashed the pandemic response team
13:19:23 <DHess_US> Like when the national stockpiles were neither maintained nor restocked?
13:19:36 <DHess_US> The pandemic response team doesn't make hand sanitizer.
13:20:02 <T3sl4> uh?
13:20:18 <DHess_US> There should be so much hand sanitizer available by this time to fight fomites that it is available on pallets in stores. Instead it doesn't exist.
13:20:54 <T3sl4> wow, who the hell uses that word
13:20:56 <T3sl4> medical?
13:20:59 <DHess_US> Because there is a shortage of isopropanol because of the oil situation and the politicians are threatening anybody who would use ethanol as a replacement.
13:21:46 <DHess_US> Do you know what was wrong the riots? They didn't burn down any federal or state buildings.
13:22:00 <T3sl4> there was a bunch of distilleries producing it, tho was that eu or us too
13:22:10 <T3sl4> well, mn police was a start
13:22:12 <DHess_US> FDA and BATFE ordered them to stop.
13:22:37 <DHess_US> No distilleries in the US did it unless they wanted to give it away because it is illegal to sell.
13:22:56 <DHess_US> And if they denature it, then they can't use their facilities to make drinking alcohol.
13:23:16 <DHess_US> And of course it is still regulated like drinking alcohol.
13:23:28 <DHess_US> Last I checked, they gave up. I don't know what the EU is doing.
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13:23:46 <T3sl4> prohibition never ended, the products just became available to the consumer
13:23:52 <T3sl4> and not even that available given the tax applied
13:24:04 <DHess_US> Of course it never ended. And now we see the result.
13:24:18 <DHess_US> So how many people did Congress kill with alcohol prohibition?
13:24:35 <DHess_US> Instead we hear about how important it is to wear a mask.
13:25:44 <DHess_US> So rebound in infections? Oh, yea, it is going to rebound huge.
13:26:09 <T3sl4> 2 weeks after they reopen the bars it's gonna be a clusterfuck
13:26:52 <DHess_US> Of course the disease itself isn't that bad. Yea, it is several times worse than the flu but that isn't crippling.
13:27:10 <Halcyon> Our bars and restaurants have been open for a week now
13:27:14 <Halcyon> Nil issues so far
13:27:21 * T3sl4 coughs on Halcyon
13:27:26 <DHess_US> Just wait, they will fuck up the vaccine like they did the test and hand sanitizer.
13:27:39 <T3sl4> Halcyon, must be nice being an island nation
13:27:51 <Halcyon> Yeh a bit :P
13:27:58 <DHess_US> Halcyon, the lag between changes in alpha and new cases is a couple weeks.
13:28:00 <Halcyon> But the island is too big, I want to live on a small island
13:28:25 <T3sl4> hope you like sheep
13:28:53 <Halcyon> I don't think we've had a new case for a while?
13:29:45 <Halcyon> 6 new infections in last 24 hours. None in 5 of the 8 states.
13:30:10 <DHess_US> I may have had it a couple weeks ago but no way to get tested.
13:30:30 <Halcyon> Most cases are mild anyway and will sort themselves out
13:30:36 <DHess_US> Well, no way to get tested unless you are rich.
13:31:00 <Halcyon> The tests are cheap though?
13:31:05 <T3sl4> Halcyon: or you get permanent lung damage, or some weird shit with neurological symptoms?
13:31:06 <DHess_US> Not here.
13:31:13 <DHess_US> And basically not available.
13:31:20 <Halcyon> T3sl4, the same can be said for any number of illnesses
13:31:28 <Halcyon> But if you're at that point, you'll have symptoms
13:31:52 <T3sl4> sounds like a good reason to avoid any number of illnesses
13:32:18 <Halcyon> People are going to get sick *shrug*
13:32:24 <Halcyon> Can't live in a bubble all your life
13:33:08 <T3sl4> er, public services can provide sanitation, response and vaccination
13:33:29 <T3sl4> antivaxxers are the stupidest people ever
13:33:40 <Halcyon> Correct
13:33:49 <DHess_US> Just wait, vaccination will be like masks - a public good paid for by individuals.
13:33:51 <Halcyon> Followed shortly behind: Flat earthers
13:34:25 <T3sl4> welcome to america, land of the added charge
13:35:04 <DHess_US> That's fine. I don't get flu vaccinations either. And if I don't get paid time off for being ill, then I go to work and infect as many people as possible.
13:35:27 <Halcyon> Why don't you get sick leave DHess_US ?
13:35:44 <DHess_US> Some companies give it and some do not.
13:36:02 <Halcyon> Whaaaa? Even for full time employees?
13:36:09 <T3sl4> no federal law
13:36:15 <DHess_US> That is correct. No state law either.
13:36:22 <Halcyon> That's horse shit
13:36:27 <T3sl4> welcome to america
13:36:39 <DHess_US> And if there was, those employees would magically become part time which is what happened after Obamacare.
13:36:54 <Halcyon> What a mess
13:37:02 <DHess_US> Obamacare says anybody over 30 hours or something is full time. So suddenly 29 hour jobs are common.
13:37:13 <T3sl4> a reminder that obamacare isn't a healthcare thing, it's an insurance thing
13:37:28 <T3sl4> we're still whole ass deep into that old health insurance thing
13:37:28 <DHess_US> Standard stuff. Nobody expected any different no matter what the politicians said would happen.
13:37:59 <DHess_US> Except now the insurance companies have a guaranteed market.
13:38:10 <DHess_US> It will slowly mutate into something worse.
13:38:20 <Halcyon> Over here, private health insurers are bleeding customers
13:38:24 <Halcyon> There is almost no point to it
13:38:33 <DHess_US> Look up the history of why health insurance was tied to employment in the US sometime. It isn't pretty.
13:39:03 <T3sl4> just another tool of control
13:39:27 <DHess_US> It became that and it was a response to wage and price controls.
13:42:14 <T3sl4> i hope we get more workers unions out of these protests
13:42:18 <T3sl4> and fewer police unions
13:44:38 <DHess_US> haha, you're an optimist.
13:45:11 <DHess_US> Police training didn't change the last few times this happened going back years and decades. The only change was an increase in public relations.
13:46:11 <T3sl4> has anyone mentioned (let alone tried) defunding police before? that seems new to me
13:46:35 <DHess_US> I'm about 20 minutes from where this happened. Nothing changed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferguson_unrest
13:47:09 <DHess_US> I hope they do it. It will be a great lesson in what the 2nd amendment is about.
13:48:18 <T3sl4> speaking of, with the govt actually literally sending troops against civilians, where are the 2A people at?
13:49:06 <DHess_US> That hasn't really happened in the way most people think of it, and no gunowner with sense wants to conduct a point defense against the military.
13:49:13 <DHess_US> It doesn't work that way.
13:49:23 <T3sl4> so it's 100% bluster
13:49:28 <T3sl4> not that anyone else had any doubt
13:49:29 <DHess_US> And if you look carefully through the news, you will find the stories you are looking for.
13:50:20 <DHess_US> No, but the mainstream news doesn't cover stories where rioters showed up at a neighborhood and armed homeowners deterred them so it became a peaceful protest.
13:50:50 <DHess_US> Look around and you can find video and photos of such events over the past couple of weeks.
13:51:07 <T3sl4> right, there's been some of those
13:51:17 <DHess_US> In most of the areas where the riots did damage, it is legally questionable to arm yourself to defend your property or self.
13:51:18 <T3sl4> home or shop defense
13:52:02 <DHess_US> At best, you get arrested and have to defend yourself in court. Meanwhile, your shop or home was burned down in revenge.
13:52:18 <DHess_US> Which is what happened during the Rodney King riots which I know first hand since I was there.
13:52:49 <DHess_US> The LA police ordered the "rooftop Koreans" to disarm or leave and their businesses were burned later.
13:53:13 <DHess_US> Confronting the rioters would be dangerous but confronting lawful civilians is safe.
13:54:28 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Retweet: Richard Stephenson: As a controller there was a time if someone has said I'd be supporting 3 antenna on a single workstation I would have told them they were dreaming. Yet here we are. DSS34-ACE DSS54-MRO and DSS26-Chandra. One antenna from each continent. https://t.co/wpz19YAUyO
13:55:05 <DHess_US> After studying some reports on the current riots, I've decided to upgrade my defensive situation. Going to upgrade my mini-14 from a hunting and plinking configuration to self defense with more magazines, ammo, and maybe an optic.
13:59:35 <DHess_US> I only discovered today that St. Louis County issued an order for everybody to wear a mask in public. Yea, like I'm going to do that in Missouri in summer.
14:00:35 <DHess_US> Need to find a mask which is also a protest.
14:04:54 <T3sl4> do you have breathing problems?
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14:16:06 <DHess_US> T3sl4, since being sick? Nope. But I have the usual allergies.
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14:16:25 <T3sl4> at least there's that
14:16:47 <DHess_US> I'm susceptible to bronchitis and pneumonia. I had both at the end of last year before this started.
14:18:21 <T3sl4> there was some nasty stuff going around last dec
14:19:39 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Retweet: Alan Garfield: My daughter soldering her birthday present. The tongue angle looks perfect! https://t.co/sgdVy9DozI
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14:53:33 <l_hsn_l> dhess_us what is mini-14
14:54:17 <l_hsn_l> why u ve this xD
14:56:08 <DHess_US> A mini-14 is a miniaturized and improved version of the M-14 rifle which was based on the WW2 M1 Garand.
14:56:33 <DHess_US> So it is a self loading semi-automatic magazine fed rifle.
14:56:39 <DHess_US> I call it my A-Team gun.
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15:49:11 <Ysjoelfir> hello all
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15:59:00 <hsn93> hello there
15:59:00 <EEVBlog> Hello there, hsn93!
15:59:05 <hsn93> ysjo
15:59:29 <Lemon> hi buds
16:00:18 <Ysjoelfir> hi hsn93 + Lemon
16:00:26 <hsn93> gm to all
16:04:10 <Ysjoelfir> game masters to all!
16:04:33 <Lemon> I havent slept a minute for some reasons
16:08:26 * T3sl4 hugs Lemon
16:09:04 <Lemon> aww
16:09:07 * hsn93 hugs t3sl4 and lemon
16:09:18 <hsn93> ysjoelfir ur turn ^
16:09:20 <Lemon> aww 2
16:09:21 * T3sl4 hugs hsn93 too
16:13:34 * Ysjoelfir hugs Lemon, T3sl4 and hsn93
16:14:08 * Lemon hugs ysjoelfir, t3sl4, hsn93 and EEVBlog
16:14:27 <hsn93> hsn93 need to breath now
16:15:29 <Ysjoelfir> xD
16:15:43 <T3sl4> there is no air anymore. no light. only hug.
16:16:00 <Ysjoelfir> Gang-huggerage!
16:18:20 * steve30 pounces onto T3sl4
16:18:55 * T3sl4 launches steve30 at Ysjoelfir
16:19:08 * Ysjoelfir receives a steve30
16:19:11 <Ysjoelfir> hi steve30!
16:19:17 * steve30 meows at Ysjoelfir
16:20:13 * Ysjoelfir pets steve30
16:24:03 <Lemon> weapons in wolfenstein 2 are so badass
16:24:16 <Lemon> especially this 4 canon 12 gauge
16:25:26 <Ysjoelfir> is wolfenstein 2 one of the ancient parts, or is it some new... thing?
16:25:34 <Lemon> newish stuff
16:25:40 <Lemon> really impressive games
16:25:48 <Lemon> im watching a 'movie' of it
16:25:56 <Lemon> where the dude plays, shows every cinematics etc
16:26:00 <Lemon> but cut some boring parts
16:26:11 <Lemon> but damn its catchy
16:27:35 <Ysjoelfir> I once thought about getting one of the newer parts, but didn't bother because of a price tag that was just schlightly to high
16:27:55 <Lemon> ho just wait a bit
16:27:58 <Lemon> they are cheap nowadays
16:30:54 <Ysjoelfir> more than I should spend right now anyways :P
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16:38:33 <hsn93> damn google removes the 7z file from my email ..
16:39:58 <Ysjoelfir> then you should stop sending those viruses to your clients
16:42:30 <Lemon> hey Ysjoelfir, do you think shielding matter for resistance measurements ?
16:42:56 <Ysjoelfir> sure, why shouldn't it?
16:43:30 <Lemon> well its hard to find shielded, 4 core OFC copper, PTFE insulated cables :>
16:43:41 <Lemon> (on ebay, at decent price, of nice quality)
16:43:45 <Lemon> 2 cores is fine
16:43:55 <Lemon> or one solid core unshielded, pure OFC/PTFE insulated
16:44:22 <Lemon> for DCV ptfe isnt needed
16:44:27 <Lemon> its to prevent leakage
16:44:34 <Lemon> so its critical for resistance
16:44:45 <Lemon> if I get it right
16:46:51 <Lemon> im just gonna use wires without terminations
16:46:56 <Lemon> its the best solution I reckon
16:47:03 <Lemon> it seems most cal labs go this way
16:47:13 <Lemon> and just re-strip the end of each cable, to attache a new DUT
16:54:29 <Ysjoelfir> I saw some using pure copper.... erm... those U-shaped crimp terminals. that should work well and helps to extend lifetime
17:02:21 <Lemon> yeah thats true but look at it : I need to find some nice lug spades ( I think thats their name), a crimping tool, where I could simply avoid that by getting a reel of cable (I found some shielded 2 ofc core for like, 30 euros for 20 meters) and be fine
17:02:32 <Lemon> I'll maybe have to cut a bit here and then
17:02:37 <Lemon> but I think thats worth it at the end
17:02:47 <Lemon> I didnt want to use spades at first
17:04:52 <Lemon> I did'
17:04:55 <Lemon> not didnt
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17:06:43 <Ysjoelfir> well then go for it :=
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17:07:02 <Lemon> I just need to find some nice contact cleaner
17:07:17 <Lemon> and that damned 4 wire blabla ptfe blabla for resistance measurements :>
17:09:32 <Lemon> damn, on the fluke theres some sort of short that goes between two lo and two hi connections, and to guard
17:09:36 <Lemon> they are all oxyded
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17:09:43 <Lemon> lets see without them if theres a difference
17:10:26 <Ysjoelfir> should be
17:11:53 <Lemon> haaa now when I short them kelvin clips
17:11:59 <Lemon> before I was getting 0.02X ohms
17:12:12 <Lemon> now I can properly zero it and I get 0.00027
17:12:16 <Lemon> which sounds normal
17:12:21 <Lemon> could be better
17:12:28 <Lemon> maybe contacts arent clean
17:14:03 <Lemon> gettin 00.0003 on the 3456a, dunno how to zero it out
17:16:33 <Halcyon> Hey guys
17:23:16 <Ysjoelfir> Morning Halcyon
17:23:30 <Ysjoelfir> that sounds reasonable Lemon
17:23:35 <Halcyon> How's it going?
17:23:46 <Lemon> hi thugger
17:24:16 <Halcyon> Thugger? :P
17:24:29 <Ysjoelfir> prettz ok-ish atm. Received mz new router on saturdaz and try to setup that thing now. damn that thing has many options :X
17:24:58 * Ysjoelfir hits his keyboard and tells him to stay switched to one language >_>
17:24:58 <Halcyon> What did you end up getting?
17:25:15 <Ysjoelfir> erm... let me just copy that absolutely easy to remember name
17:25:35 <Ysjoelfir> Mikrotik RB4011iGS+5HacQ2HnD-IN
17:25:43 <Halcyon> Hehe
17:26:18 <Halcyon> What an awful model number
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17:26:46 <Ysjoelfir> yep
17:26:52 <Ysjoelfir> but a pretty nice router imho
17:27:02 <Halcyon> Yeh they do alright those Mikrotik routers
17:27:03 <Ysjoelfir> I just have so much to learn before I can switch over the old one
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17:27:19 <Halcyon> They can be a little fiddly and their UI is a bit out of the ordinary, but overall great for the price
17:28:00 <Ysjoelfir> I have to say that I like the UI way more than the one of the Fritz!Box I use up until now
17:28:16 <Ysjoelfir> I was a bit scared as I read that "the UI is crap" thing so many times, but.... tbh, I like it
17:28:25 <Ysjoelfir> its clean and its easy to find stuff
17:28:32 <Halcyon> Yeh Fritz!Box was a bit meh. It was an attempt at a powerful router for the consumer market
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17:29:19 <Ysjoelfir> sadly it failed when supervectoring came on the market. my fritz is on constant load 24/7 while doing basically nothing
17:29:35 <Halcyon> The CPU ?
17:29:40 <Ysjoelfir> 64% CPU load sitting there, idling around, only keeping the connection alive
17:29:41 <Ysjoelfir> yes
17:29:57 <Ysjoelfir> some network load appears - load jumps up to 80
17:30:12 <Halcyon> That's not necessarily abnormal. My Ubiquiti switches all sit idle around 60% CPU, that's because of the real time OS it runs
17:30:41 <Ysjoelfir> hmm.. ok, but now, after 2 years, its starting to behave erratically. which is the whole reason why I want to exchange it
17:30:51 <Halcyon> Oh yeh, I would have too
17:31:01 <Halcyon> They were still fairly average
17:32:01 <Ysjoelfir> let me state it like that: in earlier times, before vectoring, they just "worked". basically plug and play, and they worked forever. I still use two of those older Fritz!Box FON WLAN as a WLAN Repeater
17:32:34 <Ysjoelfir> but I have the impression that AVM either reduced quality while increasing prices drastically, or they just don't manage to live up to their standard anymore
17:34:33 <steve30> I like the Mikrotik I got.
17:34:39 <steve30> I particularly like Winbox
17:34:59 <steve30> although my main machine in Linux so I use Webfig on that
17:35:09 <Ysjoelfir> I have to figure out what I can do with it first... but so far I pretty much enjoy fiddling around with it^^
17:35:36 <steve30> I've been learning how to use the firewall lately
17:37:25 <Ysjoelfir> thats one thing I want to learn, too. as well as effectively using virtual LANs and WLANs, using fixed IPs for fixed devices and adding DHCP for guests,..
17:38:14 <Halcyon> My recommendation Ysjoelfir would be to use DHCP for everything
17:38:26 <Ysjoelfir> I realy enjoyed the quick start guide. you still just get a folded paper to get you set up, but it directly points you to resources where you can find more information.
17:38:41 <Ysjoelfir> --> "RouterOS includes many configuration options in addition to what is described in this document. We suggest to
17:38:41 <Ysjoelfir> start here to get yourself accustomed to the possibilities: http://mt.lv/help."
17:38:48 <Halcyon> Only "hard-code" static IPs where you absolutely need to (and even then, throw a lease in your DHCP server for it so it acts as a register
17:39:10 <Halcyon> It becomes an administrative nightmare if you start setting static IPs on devices. Use DHCP to do that for you
17:39:13 <Ysjoelfir> Halcyon - why that? I tend to use fixed IP most of the time. is there anything that stands against it?
17:39:42 <Halcyon> Apart from the additional administrative overhead, no. If you want every device to have a static IP, assign it through DHCP
17:39:50 <Halcyon> Otherwise how else would you keep track of it?
17:40:30 <Ysjoelfir> Thats the way I do it at the moment with the Fritzbox.
17:40:41 <Halcyon> Yep, nothing wrong with that
17:40:58 <Ysjoelfir> ok. you got me scared for a second XD
17:41:14 <Halcyon> I meant actually setting them on the devices themselves. That's silly.
17:42:04 <Ysjoelfir> oh. no, I don't do that.
17:42:08 <Halcyon> But, if you have a properly working DNS server and naming convention, then why bother using IPs?
17:42:26 <Halcyon> It doesn't have to be complicated, for example, my NTP server is simply time.cyanlabs.com.au
17:42:27 <steve30> I've been setting fixed IPs in the DHCP server.
17:42:35 <Ysjoelfir> I don't even know how I could set a static IP eg. on my phone, so.... no, I use the DHCP for that.
17:42:48 <Ysjoelfir> [09:42:08] <Halcyon> But, if you have a properly working DNS server and naming convention, then why bother using IPs?
17:42:59 <Ysjoelfir> ^ could you explain that a bit further?
17:43:20 <steve30> I've been using fixed IPv6 addresses though
17:43:29 <Halcyon> Well, for example, if you have a NAS, instead of entering or mapping the IP address, you could map fileserver.your.domain and it will resolve to the IP
17:44:02 <Ysjoelfir> that sounds absolutely gorgeous. where can I read up how I do that?
17:44:44 <Halcyon> There are stacks of videos on how DNS works. The best thing about it is, your DHCP server is probably already doing it for you automatically
17:44:59 <Halcyon> Most DHCP servers will register DNS names on the DNS server when clients get a mapping
17:45:48 <Halcyon> Look at what is currently mapped and try and ping the hostname
17:45:58 <Halcyon> It should resolve to whatever IP it has
17:46:23 <Ysjoelfir> that sounds very nice. let me check that in the Witz!Box.
17:46:25 <Ysjoelfir> by the way, one thing I realy like about that thing: one optional accessory is a wall mount cage where you screw the thing into, and it holds every cable in place. even the power cable. I like that idea since SWMBO, the robot vacuum and the cats like to pull on those damn power cords xD
17:46:43 <Halcyon> Stupid cats :P
17:46:54 <steve30> Meow :p
17:48:33 <Halcyon> Ysjoelfir: This will talk about the basics: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifeUrPH-v_k
17:48:41 <Halcyon> It's part of the CISSP certification course
17:49:04 <Halcyon> (It's old but the concepts are the same)
17:49:10 <Ysjoelfir> well, trying that I just found out that amazon echos don't respond to pings :P but it resolved the IP flawless to 192.168.178.51 (which is correct) when I pinged "Echo-Red"
17:49:20 <Lemon> hey Ysjoelfir, those shorts that were connecting lo together, hi together, and low to guard, why are they here exactly ?
17:50:00 <Ysjoelfir> I'll look into that, Halcyon :) thanks.
17:50:17 <Lemon> maybe if they were in good shape, it could benefit from them
17:50:17 * Ysjoelfir sends the link to his "to do at home"-inbox
17:50:31 <Halcyon> Ysjoelfir: Yep that's fine. A lot of embedded devices don't respond to ping
17:50:47 <T3sl4> my latest project for instance
17:50:47 <Halcyon> But yeh as you can see it resolves
17:51:06 <Ysjoelfir> and I even bothered to implement ping and ARP when I build my thermal testing chamber... XD
17:51:16 <Halcyon> You can do ARP "pings" but I won't confuse you :P
17:51:24 <T3sl4> ...seeing as my project doesn't even have ethernet :D
17:51:28 <Ysjoelfir> xD
17:51:30 <Halcyon> :P
17:52:31 <Ysjoelfir> Lemon - T3sl4 can explain that way better than I can. I would just say: for your personal convenience to reduce the work of connecting them manually :P
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17:52:44 <Lemon> hmmmmm
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17:53:54 <Ysjoelfir> jep, tried it again with the printer, that one responds and gets also resolved. very nice indeed.
17:54:32 <Halcyon> So yeh, a hostname scheme I use for my NAS server looks like this: LSN78R1-PRDNAS1
17:54:35 <T3sl4> Lemon: you know how to do 4 wire resistance measurement right?
17:54:42 <Lemon> yes !
17:54:46 <T3sl4> well, that, but the power supply output
17:54:48 <Halcyon> However, you can always add a hostname mapping that maps "nas" to that hostname
17:54:52 <Lemon> I have a nice pair of kelvin clips
17:55:06 <T3sl4> or whatever it was you're referring to, i wasn't paying attention earlier :P
17:55:17 <Lemon> a dmm :P
17:55:25 <Lemon> theres some piece of copper or whatever
17:55:29 <Ysjoelfir> Halcyon - can that also be combined with dynDNS? like could I somehow say the router to resolve eg. MyNasName.dyndns.ysjoelfir.de to MaNasIP?
17:55:32 <Lemon> that were shorting both HI outputs together
17:55:35 <Lemon> both LO outputs
17:55:38 <Lemon> and LO to guard
17:55:45 <T3sl4> a DMM with outputs?
17:55:50 <Lemon> inputs sorry !
17:56:07 <Halcyon> You wouldn't set up your router to be accessible externally, so your external DNS server is irrelevant
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17:56:44 <Halcyon> Since you already own the domain, you just set up your router to use the ysjoelfir.de domain name, so all your internal clients will use that domain instead of "local.domain" or similar
17:56:50 <T3sl4> rtfm, it's probably a 4-wire dmm and that's just for convenience as Ysjoelfir said but you can wire in your kelvin clips or whatever
17:57:25 <Lemon> that means with those clips, I could connect just two leads and do 4 wire measurements, right ?
17:57:40 <T3sl4> there's 2 leads per clip
17:57:42 <Lemon> I removed them, they are all corroded/oxydized
17:57:53 <T3sl4> er sorry
17:58:00 <T3sl4> with the clips, you're doing a 2 wire measurement
17:58:33 <Lemon> but isnt it four ? like, ok on two points but its to cancel out the resistance of leads themselves right ?
17:58:47 <Ysjoelfir> Halcyon - ok, I think I get it. will need some learning on my side though to fully make use of it. but thats also easier done when I'll be sitting in front of it instead of using a VPN to my NAS from work XD
17:59:22 <T3sl4> it cant cancel out lead resistance if it's not measuring it with the sense terminals
17:59:34 <Lemon> ho but two of them are sense terminals I think !
17:59:35 <Halcyon> I'm not familiar with the Microtik UI so I can't tell you what to change, but there will be a domain suffix setting somewhere in there
17:59:40 <Lemon> theres 5 inputs
17:59:40 <Halcyon> Probably in the DHCP server section
17:59:45 <Lemon> one being guard
17:59:58 <Lemon> two HI two LO
18:00:01 <T3sl4> guard is probably for leakage
18:00:06 <Lemon> one being sense the other source
18:00:09 * Halcyon leaks all over T3sl4
18:00:21 * T3sl4 avalanches Halcyon
18:09:52 <Lemon> I hope the postman will be generous today
18:10:54 <Halcyon> I should go start dinner
18:14:13 <hsn93> the place of the LED is just shit .. https://snipboard.io/GCAIwc.jpg
18:15:50 <Ysjoelfir> it is indeed
18:16:21 <Ysjoelfir> speaking of LEDs - who thought that placing a freakishly bright fucking blue LED as a power indicator for a router is a good idea?
18:16:26 <hsn93> this is fcked up xD
18:16:37 <hsn93> im thinking to remove it now .. no need for led
18:16:38 <hsn93> xD
18:16:44 <hsn93> although debuging will be hard
18:17:05 <hsn93> not me .. i struggle to sleep near that thing
18:17:59 <Ysjoelfir> no post processing. it literally "blinded" the camera --> https://drive.google.com/file/d/186tJM5ppEahftzaOYQEfuOIL4aDtRYTA/view?usp=sharing
18:18:21 <Ysjoelfir> compare that to the activity LED in the middle of the LAN ports
18:23:27 <T3sl4> at least they used GaP greens for the ports
18:24:19 <Ysjoelfir> It seems so.
18:24:45 <Ysjoelfir> however I would have prefered to have the same, maybe in red, for the power led, instead of that clustefuck of blind inducing shit
18:24:50 <Ysjoelfir> *blindness
18:35:34 <Lemon> damn im tempted by the zeus subohm tank
18:35:42 <Lemon> air intake is at the top
18:36:43 <Ysjoelfir> why is that beneficial?
18:38:22 <Lemon> well usually they leak by the bottom
18:38:32 <Lemon> and tons of peeps been saying this one is really really good
18:38:37 <Lemon> and.. you know me
18:38:43 <Lemon> I already want to try some different ones xD
18:45:49 <Lemon> I cant wait to get the new mod tho
18:45:52 <Lemon> it looks so great
18:46:08 <Lemon> and I havent found a single review not praising it
19:05:01 <Ysjoelfir> NICE! Just got an offer from my ISP to upgrade my DSL from 300 MBit/s to NaN MBit/s for only 69.99 per month instead of 39.99!
19:05:29 <Halcyon> Aww I want 300 Mbits
19:05:56 * Ysjoelfir sends some of those NaN MBit/s to halcyon to speed up his DSL
19:06:02 <Halcyon> :)
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19:21:09 <DogWomble> that sounds like a lot of cotton sticks are required
19:21:34 <Ysjoelfir> looks like it
19:22:06 <Lemon> hey Ysjoelfir, do you know an easy to find in europe brand of contact cleaner please?
19:22:16 <Ysjoelfir> sure
19:22:23 <Lemon> to clean my dmm's posts
19:23:42 <Halcyon> I use Deoxit
19:23:49 <Halcyon> I don't know if you have that there?
19:23:55 <Ysjoelfir> hardly
19:24:00 <Lemon> yeah its well known but not here
19:24:15 <Ysjoelfir> in germany you usually have stuff from Kontakt Chemie, which is also sold in francistan IIRC
19:25:01 <Ysjoelfir> like Kontakt 60 for cleaning the crudd off, then IPA to clean the kontakt 60 out and prevent it from eating away eg. your pots, after that, kontakt 61 in small amounts to protect and lubricate
19:25:28 <Ysjoelfir> other people swear on "Tunerspray", no idea where you could get that nowadays though
19:28:12 <Lemon> I found some deoxit but damn the price https://www.ebay.fr/itm/CAIG-DEOXIT-DP5-6-CONTACT-CLEANER-SPRAY-WORLDWIDE-SHIPPING/352094478941?hash=item51fa77625d:g:xtwAAOSwIOxe1LAV
19:29:11 <Halcyon> Yeh a bit on the expensive side
19:29:16 <Lemon> https://www.ebay.fr/itm/Kontakt-60-nettoyant-100-200ml-bombe-nettoyage-contacts-electriques-spray/110905965914?hash=item19d282bd5a:m:m9mu_B4lvpgaQemJ9k2VenA
19:29:21 <Lemon> this one Ysjoelfir ?
19:29:35 <Lemon> I planned to put some on a cotton stick and rub it in them banana posts
19:29:43 <Ysjoelfir> yes, a bomb of kontakt 60 should do. but don't forget the 61
19:30:09 <Ysjoelfir> and some IPA, but that a) could be hard in times of corona, b) should be in the possession of every tinkerer
19:30:21 <Lemon> https://www.ebay.fr/itm/Kontakt-WL-nettoyant-100-200ml-bombe-nettoyage-contacts-electriques-spray/112358981962?hash=item1a291e014a:m:mDL3Rmp-EZB9i-nbQERLeQg theres this one too
19:30:29 <Lemon> yeah damn IPA, I need some
19:30:50 <Halcyon> That reminds me, I need to order some more
19:30:53 <Halcyon> I ran out
19:31:35 <Lemon> think the WL is fine to replace the 61 ?
19:32:02 <Lemon> hmmm found a seller with 60, 61 and WL
19:33:23 <Ysjoelfir> no, WL is basically just IPA
19:33:59 <Ysjoelfir> 61 is a mixture of solvents and oils that lubricate and protect contacts
19:37:25 <Lemon> ha so I can take the WL as IPA replacement
19:38:47 <Lemon> 60 to clean, 61 to protecc and IPA to clean too, but differently
19:39:11 <Lemon> 11 euros per 200ml can
19:39:14 <Lemon> sounds correct
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19:47:19 <Ysjoelfir> its.... ok. but I don't like the prices of that stuff
19:47:27 <Lemon> yeah well
19:47:34 <Lemon> it will last a long time I think
19:47:39 <Lemon> the WL maybe not
19:47:44 * Ysjoelfir just created a nice looking graph of resistance over temperature
19:47:51 <Lemon> but heh its all from the same seller
19:47:53 <Lemon> hoooo show me show me
19:47:57 <Lemon> me likes resistances
19:48:00 <Ysjoelfir> thats always good :)
19:48:02 <Ysjoelfir> erm... mom
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19:52:46 <Lemon> damn I like that zeus tank
19:52:51 <Lemon> but pfff
19:52:55 <Lemon> I already got two on the way
19:53:20 <Lemon> one being a backup, as it was on sale with 60% off, got it for 12 euros that was a damn nice deal
19:53:34 <Ysjoelfir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Vb6XxpFpGJ0Qs2h2qJFwWQzTHuHIZSrQ/view?usp=sharing
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19:54:25 <Lemon> nice ! one seems a bit wonky right ?
19:54:29 <Lemon> compared to the other two
19:54:33 <Lemon> if they are identical, ofc
19:55:11 <Ysjoelfir> they are
19:55:23 <Ysjoelfir> you mean the red one?
19:55:47 <Lemon> orange no ?
19:56:14 <Ysjoelfir> orange and yellow follow basically the same path, while red is way "flatter", thats why I thought you mean red
19:56:40 <Lemon> ho I said that because the orange one seems out of tolerance maybe
19:56:43 <Lemon> I havent read the numbers
19:57:19 <Ysjoelfir> orange is a bit high, yes. but still well within spec
19:58:08 <Lemon> I wish I could do those curves !
19:58:09 <K> hello
19:58:12 <Lemon> I need to build a fixture
19:58:15 <Lemon> hello K
19:58:24 <Lemon> but for now, nap time ! I havent slept a second that night
19:58:30 <Lemon> for some damned unknown reasons
19:58:38 <Lemon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8r7Z2pLmfI
19:58:42 <Lemon> I think im getting it
19:58:48 <Lemon> I've been traumatized by leakages
19:59:23 <Ysjoelfir> you can, just get a ZES ZIMMER LMG671 with three A channels and you're up and running! :D
19:59:29 <Ysjoelfir> Hi K
19:59:34 <Ysjoelfir> yes, leakage is a PITA....
19:59:38 <Lemon> or a old lmg 90 ! :P
19:59:50 <Ysjoelfir> well, yes. :P
20:00:04 <Ysjoelfir> its a bit cheaper than the 671 I assume
20:00:11 <Lemon> realatively speaking, how precise you can measure it with the 90 ?
20:00:16 <Lemon> which resolution I mean ?
20:00:34 <Lemon> you can plug a temp sensor to it right ?
20:01:43 <Ysjoelfir> I showed you the datasheet, didn't I?
20:01:59 <Lemon> yeah but I only got the accuracy numbers, not resolution
20:02:16 <Lemon> and idk if you can plug a temp sensor to it directly :>
20:03:03 <Ysjoelfir> let me see
20:03:09 <Ysjoelfir> I hope I find it again XD
20:03:55 <Lemon> no hurry, im falling asleep anyway :P
20:05:22 <Lemon> I'll see you in a few hours bud !
20:07:03 <Ysjoelfir> no
20:07:05 <Ysjoelfir> you wait
20:07:11 <Ysjoelfir> I just found the english manual for you :P
20:07:18 <Lemon> haaaa neat ! :P
20:08:17 <Ysjoelfir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1duxxOIvWLgnIqres0IMRYFZ1nBgq8W4K/view?usp=sharing
20:09:02 <Lemon> thanks a lot dude :)
20:09:05 <Lemon> now I can rest in peace !
20:09:42 <Ysjoelfir> fave fun :D
20:09:44 <Ysjoelfir> *have
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20:49:25 <rust_collector> boing boing boing
20:50:58 <K> are you sure?
20:51:18 <rust_collector> NEVERRRR!!!!!!
21:14:15 <Ysjoelfir> hi rusty
21:14:31 <rust_collector> yo yo yo
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21:38:28 <rust_collector> Ysjoelfir, are you ready?
21:38:40 <Ysjoelfir> always
21:38:43 * Ysjoelfir gets undressed
21:39:47 * rust_collector shakes up cans of paint
21:40:02 <Ysjoelfir> I would like yellow please
21:40:21 <rust_collector> wait until I have you strapped down
21:41:11 <steve30> hi
21:41:48 <rust_collector> hello, mr steve. do you want to have a go at making a tattoo on Ysjoelfir?
21:42:42 * Ysjoelfir mumbles "hi steve30"
21:43:42 <steve30> shopping was successful
21:44:01 <rust_collector> oh, coffee is done...
21:44:30 <steve30> Number 14s dogs are yapping again. They've been surprisingly quiet this last couple of months
21:45:01 <rust_collector> have you seen the owners?
21:45:59 <rust_collector> I mean... maybe they died, and now the dogs ate them, and are getting hungry. who knows?
21:46:41 <Ysjoelfir> I had the exact same idea^^
21:46:52 <rust_collector> you are sick
21:47:52 <steve30> i've seen the owner around a bit recently, so unless they ate her yesterday
21:48:30 <rust_collector> talking about sick. I finally got something installed on the wifes old laptop. it only seems to want ubuntu or windows....
21:48:49 <rust_collector> I also cleaned the thing, and it is blue, not black, as I thought
21:50:05 <Ysjoelfir> ew
21:50:10 <rust_collector> I will never buy an asus computer again
21:52:01 <rust_collector> oh well, it works ok, when it works.
21:54:37 <rust_collector> did you get a router yet?
21:54:54 <Ysjoelfir> yes
21:55:41 <rust_collector> what did you end up with? a new antonbox?
21:56:54 <steve30> hehe, Ysjoelfir is going to have to find the long model number again :P
21:57:20 <Ysjoelfir> hrmpf :D exactly what steve said XD
21:57:35 <Ysjoelfir> Mikrotik RB4011iGS+5HacQ2HnD-IN
21:57:50 <rust_collector> how nerdy
21:58:15 <rust_collector> why did you get the indian market one?
21:59:30 <Ysjoelfir> xD
21:59:35 <Ysjoelfir> its international
21:59:49 <Ysjoelfir> the other option would be -US. you want to avoid that
22:02:59 <rust_collector> I do
22:10:49 * steve30 needs another coffee
22:10:58 * Ysjoelfir hands steve30 another bubble tea
22:11:09 <Ysjoelfir> rusty - thats good! keep on doing that
22:11:43 <steve30> i'd prefer coffee
22:11:49 * rust_collector gives steve30 a real coffee
22:11:55 <Ysjoelfir> SWMBO is in an "americans in norway" facebook group. its hilarious. its always like "norwegians are so racist, they don't want us here, they are so unfriendly, bla bla bla".
22:11:58 <rust_collector> coffee flavoured
22:12:19 <Ysjoelfir> I'm sitting there and think like... "well... that may be just a response to the "american way of life"?"
22:12:24 <rust_collector> well, tell them to stop being fucking idiots...
22:12:34 * Ysjoelfir adds some coffee aroma to steve30 's bubble tea
22:13:32 <rust_collector> I do think the americans tend to be a bit hyper social, which does crash a bit up here.
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22:15:21 <rust_collector> I mean, because of the virus thing, we had to be 2m apart...
22:15:38 <rust_collector> they removed that rule now
22:15:42 <rust_collector> which is great
22:15:55 <rust_collector> so now we can be at out usual 5m apart again
22:16:12 <Ysjoelfir> thats basically what I thought^^
22:18:14 <K> how do you like that mikrotik, Ysjoelfir?
22:18:29 <K> at one point i almost went to work for them
22:18:32 <rust_collector> so, I am toying with tmux now. It has been a while
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22:24:36 <Ysjoelfir> so far I am pleased, but I need to learn a lot more about networking to utilize all the features of it, K
22:24:40 <Ysjoelfir> whats tmux rusty?
22:25:06 <K> a betters screen
22:25:14 <K> a better screen
22:25:31 <K> allegedly
22:27:23 <rust_collector> nah, it is like screen, just less of it
22:27:48 <rust_collector> a terminal multiplexer, I think they call it
22:28:40 <rust_collector> ie, you can split your cmd window into several, and you also have "workspaces" you can switch between
22:33:37 <Ampera> morning
22:33:42 * Ampera yawns ultrasonically
22:33:57 <rust_collector> BOOM!
22:34:21 <rust_collector> hi Ampera
22:34:29 <Ampera> hi rust_collector how are you rusting?
22:34:38 <rust_collector> I rust great today, lol
22:34:55 <rust_collector> I am toying with tmux a bit
22:35:10 <Ampera> I've never used tmux, only screen
22:35:21 <rust_collector> close enough
22:35:21 <Ampera> and honestly I only use screen for persistent terminals, X is my terminal multiplexer
22:35:43 <Ampera> I've actually switched from rxvt-unicode to UXTerm recently
22:35:52 <rust_collector> oh, good
22:36:28 <Ampera> It's simpler to use than rxvt-unicode, as I didn't use the fancy rxvt configs
22:36:41 <Ampera> so I can do things like increase/decrease font size with a menu
22:39:37 <rust_collector> I am a little bit annoyed with this machine. I could only make it install windows or ubuntu. I guess it has some kind of safety stuff in the bios or something. so it is on lubuntu right now. and... well, it is much better than I remember, from the last time I tried it. They also moved from lxde to lxqt.
22:42:21 <Ampera> rust_collector, You could always use a real distro and choose whatever desktop environment you want
22:42:41 <Ampera> It always makes me sad to see people think that all Linux distros do is make things look different
22:43:52 <rust_collector> I just want something on it that will actually install and work. I do not have a problem with making it look like I want. I only installed it to have something that controls grub
22:44:33 <Ampera> yeah because the grub installer available on any other distro is so hard
22:44:43 <Ampera> grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg is so complicated :P
22:44:53 <rust_collector> well, on this machine, it just fails
22:45:01 <Ampera> grub-mkconfig?
22:46:13 <rust_collector> any grub things I have tried on other distros. I wonder if the "bios" wants the distro to be "signed" or something. and I think it is pretty much only ubuntu that can afford that, lol
22:46:22 <Ampera> oh
22:46:25 <Ampera> just disable secure boot in your EFI
22:46:44 <Ampera> there are also ways to use signed intermediate loaders
22:46:55 <rust_collector> secure boot is off. but I am sure there is some setting in there that will make it work
22:47:14 <Ampera> do you have CSM disabled?
22:47:19 <rust_collector> but, having this installed on a small partition is ok
22:47:25 <Ampera> if an installer is too stupid to know how to do EFI, that'll also break it
22:47:44 <rust_collector> Uhm, I do not remember. I did try a lot os stuff in there
22:49:12 <rust_collector> oh well. it works, that is worth some points
22:51:01 <Ampera> I've been playing around with the pinebook pro I bought
22:51:20 <rust_collector> oh yes. how is that working
22:51:21 <Ampera> have never truly dealt with das u-boot before, was interesting to get that working
22:51:23 <Ampera> brilliantly
22:51:27 <Ampera> it's an awesome laptop for 200 bucks
22:51:44 <rust_collector> I do like the idea of an arm laptop
22:52:18 <rust_collector> I have only messed with u-boot on the old...uuh. pogoplug
22:52:42 <rust_collector> and that was probably 10 years ago
22:53:38 <rust_collector> hmm, do they have 4g or 5g modems for those things?
22:54:08 <Ampera> uhh
22:54:15 <Ampera> for the pinebook pro? no
22:54:18 <Ampera> the pinephone does
22:54:21 <Ampera> and you can always tether
22:54:21 <rust_collector> ok
22:54:29 <Ampera> or use an external modem
22:54:31 <rust_collector> sure.
22:54:50 <rust_collector> it would just be neat if it was in there
22:55:26 <rust_collector> not a big deal
22:55:28 <Ampera> My part of NY has entered into Phase II reopening as of last week, and NYC is now in Phase I
22:55:49 <Ampera> Out of all the understandable flaws of the pinebook pro, that's the least of its concerns
22:55:59 <Ampera> better power delivery is the big one
22:56:07 <Ampera> and the trackpad is a bit anemic
22:56:33 <rust_collector> power out to... usb and stuff, or?
22:56:45 <Ampera> No, under load it will drain the battery, while plugged in
22:56:51 <rust_collector> oh
22:56:55 <rust_collector> that is not ideal
22:56:56 <Ampera> PSU is 15W max
22:57:15 <Ampera> in fairness, Microsoft, a much larger and experienced company, did the exact same thing with their Surface Book 2
22:57:23 <Ampera> which also cost on an order of magnitude more than the pbp
22:57:44 <Ampera> so it's not ideal for large build operations or such, but it can totally watch youtube videos
22:58:06 <Ampera> It's also a laptop that basically can't overheat
22:58:59 <rust_collector> so, how long can you watch youtube, on a charge?
22:59:17 <Ampera> Haven't tested, it depends on hardware and software configurations
22:59:22 <Ampera> people quote 6-10 hours of battery life
22:59:37 <Ampera> I have a power hungry NVMe SSD in mine, so it'd be less, especially under high IO
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23:00:43 <Ampera> Might try to replace it with a 660p and give my server the SSD that's in there
23:27:13 <hsn93> nice
23:37:31 <Ysjoelfir> Which idiot decided that its a great idea to leave the inputs of a CMOS gate floating in his design?
23:37:38 * Ysjoelfir raises his hand in agony
23:37:40 <Ysjoelfir> >_>
23:38:10 * Ampera high fives Ysjoelfir's hand
23:38:27 <Ysjoelfir> well, thats a slight design respin right there :D
23:38:33 <rust_collector> that is the sort of thing you get when you fire the guy who writes datasheets
23:39:02 <rust_collector> call it an easter egg, sort of
23:39:32 <coppice> Ysjoelfir: when I was designing naval systems I wanted all my CMOS inputs to float
23:40:25 <Ampera> coppice, you obviously weren't dealing with submarines then
23:41:00 <Ysjoelfir> xD
23:41:16 <Ampera> I should probably do some fucking work for a change
23:41:31 <rust_collector> WHAT!??!
23:41:36 <Ampera> my eyes were bugging me out last night so I took some diphenhydramine now I'm fucking checked out
23:41:39 <Ysjoelfir> rusty - I might even leave that like that. head of dev said to me last weekend, that "it must be finished before I leave", so.... yeah, maybe leave it like that.
23:41:55 <Ampera> oh if only I could call this "sick"
23:41:56 <rust_collector> heh
23:41:58 <Ysjoelfir> diphenwhatdidyoutake?
23:42:04 <Ampera> Ysjoelfir, benadryl
23:42:14 <Ysjoelfir> that is... what?
23:42:18 <Ampera> uhhh
23:42:24 * Ampera googles a german translation
23:42:27 <Ysjoelfir> I'm an electronics engineer, not a doctor
23:42:49 <Ampera> https://pillintrip.com/search_analog_benadryl_in_germany
23:42:49 <Ampera> that
23:43:15 <Ampera> it's an antihistamine, good for allergies and knocking you the fuck out
23:43:38 <Ampera> it's in my standard supply of medicines
23:44:30 <rust_collector> hmmmm
23:45:23 <Ampera> I wonder if someone has an ALSA compatible solution for an audio ADC on the Pi Zero W
23:45:35 <Ampera> because PulseAudio is pissing me off again, and I want JACK back
23:45:51 <Ampera> but I need PulseAudio for bluetooth because audio on Linux is cucked
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23:46:25 <Ysjoelfir> whoops. that was the wrong button
23:46:44 <rust_collector> I don't even have a standard supply of medicines
23:46:59 <Ysjoelfir> Ampera - sounds like ceterizin to me. also a antihistathingemajig, also knocks you out
23:47:24 <Ampera> Ysjoelfir, cetrizine does /not/ knock you out
23:47:34 <Ampera> I have some right here and I use it as a far milder antihistamine
23:47:52 <Ysjoelfir> it does knock me out. well, not right away, but I get insanely sleepy when I take it
23:47:54 <rust_collector> some people get tired, but it is more when you start using it
23:48:11 <Ampera> it can make you slightly drowsy, but it's not like punch your time card in on life and see you in 8 fuck off hours like benadryl
23:48:21 <Ysjoelfir> I use loratadine for my allergy, that works for me without any side effects
23:48:28 <Ysjoelfir> ok, no, its definitely not that hard :D
23:48:41 <Ampera> Benadryl is also like russian roulette
23:49:03 <Ampera> you take a couple and you are either completely unaffected, or you're on the free trial of dead
23:49:17 <rust_collector> I used to use cetr-blahblah and after I quit that, I have been fine
23:50:09 <Ysjoelfir> that sounds like great fun Ampera!
23:50:38 <Ampera> Ysjoelfir, oh yeah this shit is excellent, I have to try somewhat hard to make myself not use it unless I have a valid excuse
23:51:54 <Ysjoelfir> I still remember SWMBO having a very hard cold a few years back. she was coughing so much that I had to drive her to the hospital or else I couldn't get any sleep, let alone her. they gave her some pretty cool drops where you need a special prescription for as its infused with some knock out drug
23:52:22 <Ysjoelfir> I gave her like four drops (suggestion was 10) and she slept half the day.
23:55:07 <rust_collector> ok, time to go to wårk have fun
23:55:56 <rust_collector> probably good night too
23:56:02 * Ysjoelfir leaves for home.
23:56:06 <Ysjoelfir> cu later all
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