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00:01:49 <T3sl4> oh great, not-made-here-itis
00:02:01 <T3sl4> what's wrong with e.g. anderson powerpole
00:02:21 <T3sl4> not really even that big, for that matter
00:03:14 <hsn> yeah we want it to be 2mm rod at its end
00:03:38 <hsn> and SS 316L
00:05:00 <hsn> i actually dont like the idea that we customizing it .. ^ :/
00:05:15 <K> do you need the custom thing for prototype?
00:05:38 <K> i mean, the whole protoype must be bigger than that quick disconnect
00:05:47 <hsn> yeah .. as final prototype that customer might see it and sent to him .
00:06:20 <K> from what i've read the proper quick disconnect things are part black magic
00:06:34 <K> getting it right on first try seems unlikely
00:06:42 <hsn> damn :)
00:06:59 <Lemon> im actually having fun cherry picking resistors
00:07:17 <Lemon> I find that in a batch of 20 resistors, theres usually 3 or more good ones, of 0.05% or better
00:07:27 <Lemon> up to 0.00X, more than my meter can measure
00:07:33 <K> the materials on both sides, the shapes, the manufacturing tolerances
00:07:34 <Lemon> well it can but not 100% accurately
00:07:54 <hsn> K, so should i keep quite and let the team do it .. as i have no other suggestion ..
00:08:08 <K> if it is out of your control, yeah
00:08:10 <hsn> i gave them the tolarance from the blade from TE connectors
00:08:28 <K> you could suggest existing, tried and tested
00:08:31 <hsn> and the manager seems confident to do such tolarances
00:08:39 <K> eeh ok
00:09:03 <hsn> ok cool .. then i just keep quite :)
00:09:16 <K> i would look up where to get something to suggest if this does not work
00:09:36 <rust_collector> good night people
00:09:41 <hsn> gn rusty
00:09:45 <K> gn rusteh
00:09:46 <Lemon> hello rusy
00:09:52 <hsn> k, so i should look for alternatives from now u mean ?
00:10:22 <rust_collector> find something you can replace those things with, when they fail, if they do
00:10:23 <K> well, if there is a risk it will fall into your lap, then yea, i would look for something that might work
00:11:00 <K> if your corporate culture allows that
00:11:01 <hsn> hmm there is lot more things will fall heavier in my lap this is not somthing i worry about
00:11:02 <hsn> xD
00:11:13 <K> heh
00:11:42 <hsn> let them deal with it then .. i'll just memorize the stuff u told me in case they failed ..
00:12:21 <hsn> although they should know about galvanic stuff material compatiblity, manufactureing tolarances , etc .. but idk .. not my stuff ..
00:29:41 <Lemon> so out of 20 91K resistors, I found : 0.01%. 0.012%. 0.015% and 0.025%
00:29:45 <Lemon> not the best batch but alrighty
00:32:11 <Lemon> but its 25.06C right now so not the best
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00:34:22 <Ampera> Welcome back Ysjoelfir
00:34:23 <Ampera> <3
00:34:31 <Ysjoelfir> I'm back!
00:34:34 * Ysjoelfir dances with Ampera
00:34:44 <Ampera> oh dancing, I used to do that
00:34:56 <Ampera> I performed in a local rendition of the nutcracker twice
00:35:52 <Ysjoelfir> I wanted to learn something.... strange, like Dubstep or Industrial
00:36:01 <Ysjoelfir> but I think I'm way to fat to even move like that
00:36:57 <Ampera> I did I believe ballet, jazz, modern
00:40:11 <hsn> i love u all .. bye
00:40:15 <hsn> xD
00:40:19 <Ampera> hsn, wait no don't kill yourself yet
00:40:21 <Ampera> do me first
00:40:46 <hsn> lol u and halycon today
00:41:27 <Lemon> hmm im also thinking, I have to take in account the meter tempco
00:41:32 <Ysjoelfir> I think I don't have a talent for dancing
00:41:49 <Ysjoelfir> I also wanted to try to convince SWMBO to do the Ful Pakke song when we marry
00:43:39 <hsn> but she thinnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnks its silly ?
00:44:37 <Ysjoelfir> yes
00:44:56 <Ysjoelfir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0LlakYRPIk
00:44:59 <Ysjoelfir> I think its perfect
00:52:26 <K> meanwhile i blame Ysjoelfir for seeing more german youtube adverts than usual
00:52:47 <Ampera> K, you're not allowed to blame Ysjoelfir for being German, only I'm allowed to do that >:(
00:53:11 <Ysjoelfir> XD should I be sorry? :D
00:53:18 <Ampera> damn fucking straight
00:53:23 <Ampera> I'll be waiting >:(
00:53:29 <Ysjoelfir> ok
00:53:30 <Ysjoelfir> sry
00:53:34 <Ampera> for what?
00:53:38 <Ysjoelfir> no idea? :D
00:53:47 <Ampera> buh, you don't even know what you did
00:53:49 <Ampera> you don't even care
00:54:59 <Ysjoelfir> well, I know that problem from discussions with SWMBO :D
00:55:22 <Ysjoelfir> "shame on you, bla!" - "erm, what did I do?" - "you know exactly what you did!"
00:55:23 * Ampera throws knackwurst at Ysjoelfir
00:55:34 <Ysjoelfir> nice, we all like knackwursts
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03:01:18 <Lord_of_nothing> knackwursts?
03:01:26 <Lord_of_nothing> there is a "s" to much
03:01:30 <Lord_of_nothing> who find it?
03:02:01 <Lord_of_nothing> a knackwursts, many knackwürste
03:02:40 <rust_collector> it is not one too much, it is just that they write in english here, like most people
03:03:20 <Ysjoelfir> exactly
03:03:36 <Ysjoelfir> but those damn germany always have to mess stuff up
03:03:40 <Ysjoelfir> *germans
03:03:55 <rust_collector> yep, it is genetic
03:04:55 <rust_collector> it was better in the slightly old days, where you had two damn germanys
03:05:17 <Ysjoelfir> absolutely!
03:06:28 <rust_collector> well, I am going back outside to slipeskives some
03:07:51 <Ysjoelfir> have fun, and don't forget the guard and safety goggles
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03:16:52 <Lemon> I really need to talk to someone that knows his shit about genrad stuff
03:17:04 <Lemon> like our dear DHess_US, for example :>
03:17:39 <Lemon> the sale ends up tommorow morning
03:17:51 <Lemon> and I want to be sure im not making a mistake, I think not but well
03:17:54 <Lemon> better look thrice
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03:21:46 <Lord_of_nothing> well nobody like germans
03:22:17 <Lord_of_nothing> germans pretend to be austrian in greece to not get killed
03:22:55 <DHess_US> I don't have any Genrad stuff, only ESI.
03:23:05 <Lemon> haaaaa he's there !!
03:23:29 <DHess_US> All of the stuff from ESI or Genrad is good assuming you can get a service manual.
03:23:35 <Lemon> for you, a 1422 CB (50pf to 1100pf in 0.2pf steps variable air cap) in perfectly fine state
03:23:39 <Lemon> I can get a manual !
03:23:41 <Ampera> How might I get a relay to stay closed on AC
03:23:46 <Ampera> as in when AC is applied, the coil is always energized
03:23:51 <Lord_of_nothing> so guys and girls i borrow a rugged dell tablet
03:23:52 <Lemon> do you think its a good idea to get one for my impedance bridge ?
03:23:58 <Lord_of_nothing> should i test something?
03:24:06 <Lemon> and if yes, do you roughly know what price you'd payf or it ?
03:25:13 <Lemon> https://www.torontosurplus.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/p/1/p1422-cb-f.jpg DHess_US here it what it looks like
03:25:23 <Lemon> 0.01% stability, according to specs (per year)
03:25:30 <Lemon> I guess its much better after a certain period
03:25:34 <Ampera> this is my completely uneducated approach: https://prnt.sc/ssi95d
03:27:20 <Lemon> I really need some help to know if its a nice thing to get, or if its not worth it
03:27:29 <Lemon> I know that I'll need to adapters
03:27:38 <Ampera> the simulator shows the relay flicking back closed very quickly, which makes me think it's not a great idea
03:27:40 <Lemon> gr 8XX something to BNC, or whatever
03:27:41 <Ampera> that's also a quite huge capacitor
03:28:45 <DHess_US> <Ampera> How might I get a relay to stay closed on AC
03:28:45 <DHess_US> <Ampera> as in when AC is applied, the coil is always energized
03:28:49 <DHess_US> Change it to a latching relay.
03:29:09 <DHess_US> Lemon, that's nuts.
03:29:23 <Lemon> nuts, in the good sense of the term ? :>
03:29:34 <DHess_US> And what is the use case?
03:29:53 <Ampera> DHess_US, yes but when the AC is gone it needs to close
03:30:00 <Lemon> you know I wanted a nice capacitor reference, to build an impedance bridge in the future or maybe get an impedance bridge
03:30:24 <Lemon> and well, I might get the occasion to buy one of those for 120 euros, including shipping + a strange device coming as a bonus
03:30:26 <Lemon> so watcha say ?
03:30:35 <Lemon> I think its a hell of a deal, if I manage to pull it off
03:32:17 <DHess_US> Eh, I'd get the reference capacitor and then trim it with C0G and NP0 ceramics.
03:32:57 <DHess_US> With maybe one little air variable but in general by that time, the drift is high enough that such a fine trim is useless.
03:33:28 <Lemon> it is variable !
03:33:36 <Lemon> so well, I can fiddle with it however I want
03:33:46 <Lemon> but anyway
03:33:54 <Lemon> 120 euros for that, in really good state
03:34:00 <Lemon> watcha say ? should I go for it ?
03:34:08 <Lemon> I need to take the decision quickly
03:34:39 <Lemon> or will the silver mica caps I got be better, or as good ?
03:34:44 <Lemon> thats something im also thinking about
03:34:48 <Ampera> Lemon, help me out how would I do that :P
03:35:05 <Ampera> I need to energize a relay when and only when AC is applied to the coil
03:35:18 <Lemon> ampera man Im bad at electronics you know it, I can just stares at zeroes after decimal xD
03:35:23 <Lemon> brb I gotta eat quickly
03:35:28 <Ampera> :P you're better than I am
03:35:28 <DHess_US> Lemon, look up some Genrad application notes about how to use it first.
03:35:36 <DHess_US> I'm not convinced it is what you want to need.
03:41:49 <Ysjoelfir> I like the way you phrased that, DHess_US xD
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03:49:18 <Lemon> DHess_US it comes with this device, maybe you can tell me more https://imgur.com/a/Dkr9YAM
03:49:26 <Lemon> but you are maybe right yes
03:49:31 <Lemon> I just cant help myself to miss a nice deal
03:49:42 <Lemon> and I have till tommorow morning to decide :>
03:50:46 <Ampera> Perhaps I'm looking at this the wrong way, will a relay simply stay energized regardless if I apply AC to the coil?
03:52:50 <Lemon> it needs the voltage to be open, no ?
03:52:59 <Lemon> it doesnt keep any charge ?
03:53:43 <Lemon> Ysjoelfir any idea of what this device could be ? :>
03:54:33 <Ysjoelfir> pardon?
03:54:39 <Lemon> https://imgur.com/a/Dkr9YAM
03:54:52 <Lemon> theres the capacitor I was talking about, and it in a weird device
03:55:14 <Lemon> I thought it could be some sort of bridge, but idk usually they got some meters, things etc to balance it
03:56:29 <Ysjoelfir> ah. no, no idea
03:58:19 <Lemon> maybe thats what I want to need :P
04:00:25 <DHess_US> Find the manual which should show how it is used.
04:00:54 <DHess_US> Or even better, buy a less expensive precision capacitor to trim and get some experience without spending a lot of money first.
04:01:19 <DHess_US> Find an affordable impedance bridge to play with.
04:27:43 <Lord_of_nothing> re
04:28:25 <Lord_of_nothing> how many power can a subercap hold for how long?
04:42:05 <T3sl4> some
04:42:24 <Ysjoelfir> I'd say more like.... a bit
04:43:12 <T3sl4> leakage is pretty high above 2V or so, and at elevated temperature, but at room temp and lower voltage, they can hold for months
04:48:32 <Lemon> DHess_US well as I said, this mysterious device + the cap can be bought for 120 euros, which seems to be pretty cheap for a genrad cap + that device (I still dont know what is it, btw if you have any idea) but you are maybe right, maybe those mica caps I bought could be calibrated by someone and be good enough to build a bridge with them as a ref'
04:49:13 <Lemon> but if you can provide me any info about the device that comes with the cap, theres no model number, nothing. If you at least know what kind of device it is, that could greatly help !
04:49:57 <Lemon> but a less expensive precision ref cap, I think it doesnt exist, at least not in europe
04:50:20 <Lemon> this exact model is currently sold for 12k usd
04:50:41 <Lemon> sure its old, but damn dude 120 euros delivered with a bonus instrument, that sounds really good
04:54:50 <Lemon> I just want to be sure that I wont regret this if I dont get it
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05:15:41 <Nothing\> man, i'm really lovinng this online game i found
05:16:12 <Nothing\> you have to crack "locks" that use an msp430 by finding exploits in the assembly language
05:17:20 <Nothing\> and msp430 assembly is crazy simple, just an unusual syntax to what i'm used to and there don't seem to be as many resources aside from datasheets and user manuals from TI, plus a manual from the site but i've gotten by well enough on those
05:17:51 <Nothing\> i'm actually tempted to buy a development or experimenting board, but they run around $100 for some reason
05:18:30 <Nothing\> dev boards always seem so pricy for what they are, but i guess it's the potential you're paying for and not the actual hardware
05:29:35 * Ampera hugs Nothing\
05:29:38 <Ampera> how are you doing m9
05:31:18 <T3sl4> Nothing\: get a masterlock smart lock, they love msp430s
05:38:49 <coppice> Nothing\: MSP430s are among the best documented MCUs
05:39:22 <coppice> Nothing\: and you get get tools for some of the simple MSP430s for $4.30
06:09:33 <Lemon> DHess_US hey, before I definitively scratch off the list of the 'things I might want to need' :P can you tell me more about the device around the cap, if you have any ideas, please ? https://imgur.com/a/Dkr9YAM
06:11:11 <Lemon> because if it turns out to be a capacitance/impedance bridge of some sort, I def jump on the goddamn deal !
06:11:56 <rust_collector> pom pom pom
06:12:02 <rust_collector> hey Lemon
06:12:50 <Lemon> hey rusty how you doin :>
06:13:13 <rust_collector> very extremely awesome, how are you?
06:14:36 <rust_collector> I hope dinner is done soon, because I have been awake since the beginning of time, or maybe it was 2
06:14:38 <Lemon> ho well, ok I guess
06:14:50 <Lemon> extremey awesome, damn are you a fancy rusty today ?
06:14:50 * Nothing\ hugs Ampera <3
06:14:55 <Ampera> how are you doing
06:15:00 <Nothing\> doing well, how about you?
06:15:09 <Ampera> well my house hasn't been set on fire yet
06:15:13 <Ampera> so alright I suppose
06:15:16 <Nothing\> rust_collector, the juice i drink in the morning is called pom
06:15:25 <Nothing\> Ampera, that's always a plus
06:15:40 <rust_collector> is it sweet lemonade, from a horse?
06:15:52 <Nothing\> sort of, it's pomegranate juice
06:16:13 <Nothing\> which in french, literally means apple grenade
06:16:22 <rust_collector> tastes just like raisins?
06:16:37 <Lemon> pomme
06:16:44 <Nothing\> i dunno what it tastes like, but it sure isn't pomeranate
06:16:46 <Lemon> thats an apple, yeah
06:16:50 <Nothing\> cuz i like pomegranate
06:17:04 <Nothing\> Lemon, the french word for apple, pomme de terre means ground apple
06:17:08 <T3sl4> rust_collector: give it a stroke of its mane
06:17:17 <Lemon> it means potatoe :>
06:17:19 <Nothing\> actually i can't figure out if it means ground apple, dirty apple, or earth apple
06:17:38 <rust_collector> Nothing\, it means potato
06:17:54 <rust_collector> T3sl4, yes, that would be nice
06:18:02 <Nothing\> lol i was watching this video yesterday of a supposed wizard trying to make a golem out of a potato, he kept saying it's called "koptofel" because that's the russian word for potato
06:18:15 <Nothing\> not realizing in russian P is pronounced as an R
06:18:30 <Lemon> kartoffel maybe ? :>
06:18:36 <T3sl4> he kopt mispronouncing it
06:18:48 <Nothing\> lol yeah anyone who's read a clockwork orange knows that
06:18:54 <Nothing\> or you know, knows basic russian
06:19:01 <Ampera> funny thing, in German french fries are pommes frites
06:19:16 <Nothing\> that too, they're called kartoffel in german and a bunch of other languages too
06:19:28 <Lemon> it would sharpen you up for a bit of thee ol ultraviolence, which plagued our mind for the evening
06:19:38 <DHess_US> Lemon, like I said earlier, I am not familiar with Genrad stuff.
06:19:40 <Nothing\> ah milk plus
06:19:54 <Nothing\> i should really read that book again, i don't remember much of it
06:20:09 <Nothing\> i remember more of the movie cuz i've seen it like 20+ times but i've only read the book 2 or 3 times
06:20:41 <Nothing\> heh first time i tried reading the book i gave up after the first page cuz i had no damn clue what he was saying
06:20:50 <Nothing\> but you get the hang of nadsat before long
06:21:23 <Nothing\> apparently anthony burgess wasn't a huge fan of the novel
06:21:52 <Nothing\> he was kindo f disappointed that that was the book he was best known for
06:22:50 <Nothing\> coppice, yeah i noticed the msp430 family manual from TI was really lengthy, i think 600 someodd pages
06:24:38 <Nothing\> phew it's getting warm in here
06:24:46 <Nothing\> and here i had the heat on when i woke up
06:25:53 <Nothing\> i got 2 ACs the other day, one for each floor. but i reluctantly had to get one o fthose portable ones for the upstairs cuz the window wasn't right for a regular AC
06:26:35 <Nothing\> i didn't realize how inefficient those portable ACs are until i saw the technology connections video on them. Now I just feel dirty having one.
06:28:42 <coppice> the portable ones with two pipes are OK
06:29:03 <Nothing\> ah yeah i forgot about those
06:29:16 <Nothing\> they probably cost more, though
06:29:55 <Nothing\> i should rewatch that video, i forget a lot of it
06:30:14 <rust_collector> yeah, power is cheap these days, crank that thing up, or down, or...something
06:30:21 <Nothing\> i find it's hard to really digest all of the content in those types of videos so i like to watch them multiple times over several months
06:31:19 <Nothing\> rust_collector, for a couple of months the premier set the price of electricity to a set rate of 10.1c per kwh regardless of what time you use it at cuz of covid 19, but now they're back to using pricing based on peak hours
06:32:48 <Nothing\> oh, it's only gone up to 12.8c regardless of time of use. that's not bad
06:33:02 <Nothing\> before covid 19 it was over 20c for peak hours
06:33:53 <Nothing\> which if you think about it, considering how much energy a kilowatt hour actually is, is pretty damn cheap
06:34:29 <rust_collector> it has not been as cheap as now (here) in 20+ years
06:34:41 <Nothing\> 3.6 million joules to the kilowatt hour
06:34:55 <Nothing\> rust_collector, i don't think any energy source has been
06:35:13 <Nothing\> except during covid 19, our gas prices were about what they were 20 years ago, which was awesome
06:35:29 <rust_collector> yep
06:35:32 <Nothing\> especially if you went out to the native reserve and filled up using their discounted prices
06:35:46 <Nothing\> cuz gas out there is like 5-10c per liter cheaper
06:37:36 <Nothing\> at the peak, prices were about $4.20USD per gallon here
06:38:14 <Nothing\> er $3.80USD, my bad
06:39:18 <Nothing\> damn cat keeps attacking my foot. this little guy is so viscious when he gets hyper and i just can't wear him out
06:40:02 <Nothing\> i try giving him a toy to show him that's what he's supposed to attack, but most of the time he just goes right back to attacking my foot, so i end up locking him in the bathroom for a few minutes to settle him down
06:40:08 <rust_collector> put him in the clothes dryer, he will get tired
06:40:27 <Nothing\> lol and puffy
06:40:50 <rust_collector> maybe very static, so he hangs on the wall
06:42:06 <Nothing\> it's funny, the one day i was watching a "scary" movie, this found footage movie about a family supposedly being abducted by aliens. and he just went batshit crazy. arching his back, tail all puffy, looking off into dark corners like he was expecting something to be there. genuinely terrified.
06:42:33 <Nothing\> i dunno if it was all the yelling and screaming between the people or if he was actually catching onto the creepy vibe be it scared the crap out of him
06:44:47 <rust_collector> maybe it is time to tidy up the corners a bit?
06:45:03 <Nothing\> lol that too, there's oto much crap in here
06:46:13 <Nothing\> he keeps attacking his reflection in the glass on the book cases
06:49:41 <Nothing\> mmm mini-crullers :D~
06:54:48 <rust_collector> It is time to go to bed, and do nothing for a while. have fun
07:00:51 <Lemon> https://www.ebay.fr/itm/0-33-Ohm-2-Watt-Precision-Wire-Russian-Resistors-S5-16MV-NOS-10/263417619039?hash=item3d54e9e25f:g:1aEAAOSwHMJYCIrC
07:00:55 <Lemon> those look nice
07:01:07 <Lemon> argh 150ppm/c
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08:37:24 <Nothing\> you could make a nicely accurate temperature sensor out of one of those resistors
08:38:09 <Nothing\> cody's lab made a nice video about making a temperature sensor out of a coil of wire with a known resistance
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09:58:02 <DHess_US> You can make a temperature sensor out of an operational amplifier.
09:58:12 <DHess_US> Using the offset voltage drift.
11:07:20 <T3sl4> you can make a temperature sensor out of a temperature sensor and an operation amplifier.
11:07:45 <T3sl4> https://i.imgur.com/lowJkLJ.jpg
11:13:50 <DHess_US> Yes, but my point is that you can make a temperature sensor out of *just* the operational amplifier, and use it to drive the cable leading to it at the same time.
11:14:07 <DHess_US> Just deliberately unbalance the differential pair.
11:14:35 <DHess_US> I think it was in one of the PMI application notes using an OP-05
11:24:58 <T3sl4> i know.
11:25:03 <T3sl4> strain too
11:27:32 <DHess_US> Hmm, where is my PMI application manual ...
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15:27:45 <Ysjoelfir> hello all
15:31:13 <steve30> hello
15:31:33 <Ysjoelfir> :O double steveness! hello again steve!
15:31:46 <steve30> :)
15:33:39 <Ysjoelfir> you know.... If the space under our elevated bed wouldn't be occupied by tons of fabric for SWMBOs sewing hobby I would have started to made my mind up on how one could build a cozy basket like bed.
15:36:44 <steve30> maybe build a basket under a desk
15:37:39 <Ysjoelfir> I already have several of those. the kitties like them, even though fort asshole is way better in their oppinion
15:39:59 <Ysjoelfir> --> Very hot pussy. https://drive.google.com/file/d/13bkRZK8nq46JdkOUAZUs-TPvQw-5GZW1/view?usp=sharing
15:40:28 <steve30> meow :)
15:41:08 <Ysjoelfir> Thats walter. And yes, he was sweating yesterday. He always "hides" under that edge of the furniture when he feels like cooling down^^
15:41:37 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: Next tutorial video coming soon. https://t.co/OBi87VLFSa
15:43:17 <hsn93> hello hello hello :)
15:43:33 <hsn93> what does the cat say ?
15:43:40 <hsn93> mew mew meow
15:45:00 <Ysjoelfir> hi hsn93 :)
15:45:15 <hsn93> hi there dear friend
16:02:55 <Ysjoelfir> so hsn, what are you up to today? enjoying work?
16:03:25 <hsn93> no :)
16:03:37 <Ysjoelfir> XD
16:03:51 <hsn93> i have lot of work that need to be done but my mood into completing one week of edX
16:03:56 <hsn93> linear algebra course
16:04:01 <hsn93> xD
16:04:17 <hsn93> also reading T3sl4 answer : https://www.eevblog.com/forum/beginners/4-layer-board-power-plane-or-routed-power/
16:04:17 <EEVBlog> 42.
16:04:33 <hsn93> 42.
16:12:49 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: I'm selling off my new lab, need the cash. https://t.co/6XBI9YCCwa
16:12:56 <hsn93> so my boss he saw me doing the LCD yesterday i just knew how to plot an image didnt even do code for the final proto board and he jumps to "now u going to do ethernet?"
16:13:43 <hsn93> and the fact they have no idea what is ethernet or is there different type of protocols inside is making me angry ... they dont know what to expect or how to plan it .. :)
16:15:07 <hsn93> i of course told them many times they need to hire some one more experienced than me .. and all i got after completing somthing bad way "in my mind" some boss floating around happily that i've accomplish that under his supervision ..
16:18:10 <hsn93> there is absoloutly no knowledge in the field what so ever in the company .. and this is good for me i get to learn various stuff but u know .. this is pathetic way of managing a project ..
16:24:04 <Ysjoelfir> xD yeah, it is indeed
16:24:53 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Retweet: Ruben ⛧: @eevblog My kid soldered for the first time this weekend, and assembled (with my supervision, of course) a small amplifier kit, after having practiced on only two resistors on a dummy perf board. He loved it, and was very proud, almost more proud than his dad. https://t.co/B18mqPloml
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17:07:53 <Ysjoelfir> hsn! Since you venture into ethernet sool.... What do you think about the MikroTik Cloud Router Switch CRS305-1G-4S+IN?
17:14:38 <hsn93> i think .. im in no where close to give feedback or opinion ..
17:15:27 <hsn93> i just designed 10/100T interface hardware and didnt even built or test it yet :) .. so much for me to learn ..
17:16:10 <hsn93> but i like any thing has the word 'giga' .. so i like it
17:16:24 <Ysjoelfir> XD
17:17:56 <hsn93> but why not cisco tplink stuff .. just price thingy ?
17:19:31 <Ysjoelfir> yes
17:19:41 <Ysjoelfir> aso, microtik is actually an enterprise kind of brand
17:19:56 <Ysjoelfir> they just decided to venture into the.... lets call it prosumer market recently
17:26:44 <hsn93> im thinking to do some environment monitoring integration for stores/what so ever .. because i need to start to make money ..
17:27:31 <hsn93> somthing like temperature and humidity monitoring + logging + SMS notification + idk what ..
17:33:55 <Ysjoelfir> sounds great, do it! :) I am working on a simmilar thing, but more like a.... home not-automation-but-monitoring thing
17:34:34 <Ysjoelfir> several sensors distributed around the house, all connected to a central hub with a bigass display, showing the data in nice graphs and so on
17:34:39 <hsn93> nice
17:34:57 <hsn93> do u do it "on the cloud" or local home server
17:35:13 * steve30 needs coffee
17:36:21 <Ysjoelfir> I would do it on a local device that could act as a makeshift webserver of sorts
17:36:41 <Ysjoelfir> but thats the long term view
17:36:51 <Ysjoelfir> first thing would be to implement sensors and collect the data somewhere
17:38:00 <hsn93> so ur going to design the stuff ur self or out of the shelv product
17:39:03 <Ysjoelfir> I do it myself. connecting sensors to a kind of hub shouldn't be that hard
17:40:29 <Ysjoelfir> I would like to do it in a way that it's not depending on any external cloud storage thing, as I notice that more and more people are scared of their data being theft, be it just temperatures of their homes and whatnot
17:41:40 <hsn93> yeah imagine how much privacy i own you u if u know which temperature (sweet spot) u like to sleep at
17:43:36 <hsn93> so this : https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Pulse-Counter-Ethernet-Data-Logger-Temperature_60266523782.html?spm=a2700.galleryofferlist.0.0.527e73a3Cr6jPZ
17:44:24 <hsn93> vs this : http://www.networktechinc.com/environment-monitor-5d.html
17:44:29 <hsn93> what do u think
17:44:44 <Ysjoelfir> one sec, have to pee (again >_> )
17:46:13 <hsn93> and if u do it in non cloud u've to keep a pc at home always on right?
17:48:50 <Ysjoelfir> I would choose the first one, simply because it doesn't bombard me with a popup when I enter the website :D
17:49:07 <Ysjoelfir> [09:46:13] <hsn93> and if u do it in non cloud u've to keep a pc at home always on right?
17:49:24 <Ysjoelfir> ^ I would just have a html site being generated by the controller and let that display
17:49:46 <hsn93> ^ and logging ?
17:50:09 <hsn93> and software u do it also ?
17:50:43 <Ysjoelfir> I would, yes. I basically made something like that in the past, but using a very stupid crappy network chip I absolutely hate now
17:51:00 <hsn93> which one now ur going to use
17:51:49 <Ysjoelfir> not sure yet. I'll be focusing on the sensors first. No idea how to connect them. I thought about RF first, but I'm not sure about it yet. Bluetooth would also be a good method, or even wifi.
17:51:52 <hsn93> people mostly (i think) use STM32 stuff .. i never used
17:52:01 <Ysjoelfir> I don't use that
17:52:22 <Ysjoelfir> I use what I know, which is atmels. That has worked for me everytime, so....
17:52:33 <hsn93> i think NRF could be good option if u consider the wireless
17:52:55 <Ysjoelfir> nrf?
17:53:03 <hsn93> NRF52832 for example
17:53:12 <hsn93> nordisemi
17:53:23 <hsn93> nordic semi ?
17:53:27 <hsn93> that thing
17:53:39 <hsn93> it has good support from adafruit i bleive
17:55:40 <hsn93> also for ethernet i've dev board for sam4e16e (which is probably overkill for ur application) but it has atmel asf example with ethernet server
17:56:43 <hsn93> i was amazed by the (virtual FS) of files to serve xD .. although it might be used everywhere in embedded but this is the place i saw it in
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18:09:36 <Ysjoelfir> oh, yes, thats actually one I wanted to look into using in the future. maybe that would be a nice chip for that project. Nordic has many nice chips actually.
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18:14:42 <Ysjoelfir> no idea what has happened there
18:15:23 <Ysjoelfir> did my last message get through before it died?
18:15:24 <hsn93> it had no energy at EOF - end of fuck ..
18:15:29 <Ysjoelfir> xD
18:15:37 <hsn93> Nordic has many nice chips actually.
18:15:42 <hsn93> this one was ur last
18:15:49 <Ysjoelfir> jep, then its good
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18:16:35 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: I think it's missing one Get https://t.co/Ku8sjto7FN
18:16:36 <Ysjoelfir> erm... no I didn't :D
18:16:56 <hsn93> what is this one :
18:17:08 <hsn93> vs this one
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18:19:13 <hsn> if i identify my self with password i get that difference ^
18:22:22 <Ysjoelfir> interesting
18:22:30 <Ysjoelfir> no idea why that happenes though :D
18:22:36 <hsn> me2
18:22:55 <Ysjoelfir> Ampera! enlighten us!
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18:39:45 <K> hello
18:40:45 <Ysjoelfir> hi K
18:41:34 <hsn> hello K
18:41:39 <hsn> there, !
18:42:16 <K> hehe
18:44:59 <Ysjoelfir> hello K
19:05:52 <hsn> https://twitter.com/_youhadonejob1/status/1267515836631310336?s=20
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19:07:12 <Lemon> hi peeps
19:07:20 <hsn> no social distancing obama ? https://snipboard.io/qkT9Wn.jpg
19:07:33 <hsn> hi tasty fuit
19:07:35 <hsn> fruit
19:09:14 <K> when was that photo taken, hsn?
19:09:50 <hsn> i dont know but i took it from post claiming its for the current situation
19:10:03 <hsn> not post .. whatsapp message
19:11:21 <K> eeh
19:11:23 <hsn> damn now i know there was guy here entering with name (i cant breath) and i never relate it to gorge floyd case ..
19:11:41 <K> it was a bit stragne, tbh
19:11:47 <Lemon> 35 minutes left till the end of the auction for that mysterious device hosting a genrad variable precision cap
19:12:00 <Lemon> I think I'll pass
19:12:11 <Ysjoelfir> wutt?
19:12:12 <K> your will is weak, Lemon.
19:12:19 <Ysjoelfir> who are you and what did you do to my lemon?
19:12:45 <Lemon> mehhh I want it, but idk what that device is, and DHess was kinda right I dont really know how I'll use it
19:13:02 <Lemon> I will try to find someone who can calibrate the silver mica caps I bought
19:13:20 <Lemon> some peeps even measured them and found it was better than some genrad ref caps
19:14:43 <Lemon> and someone took a bid, anyway
19:14:55 <Lemon> so I guess we'll fight for it and the price wont be as interesting
19:15:08 <Lemon> instead I'll grab some nice resistors or whatever, or work on more projects
19:24:16 <Ysjoelfir> lemon
19:24:34 <Ysjoelfir> I might have something I could toss into the lemon-aid package I'll be sending someday to you.
19:24:54 <Ysjoelfir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1B3dmAcXtoxysmtBq8MoDZlmSTegWelWy/view?usp=sharing
19:26:25 <Lemon> hoooooo grabbersssss
19:26:30 <Halcyon> Hey guys
19:26:44 <Lemon> man thats super cool I dont have any !!
19:26:48 <Lemon> hell Halcyon :>
19:26:56 <Ysjoelfir> I tried to leave enough wire on them so that you can solder to them :)
19:26:58 <Halcyon> What's doing?
19:26:59 <Ysjoelfir> Hi Halcyon
19:27:09 <Lemon> thats perfect :>
19:29:40 * Halcyon licks Ampera
19:30:19 <Ysjoelfir> Halcyon, I try to convince myself that, since my router is beginning to fail, it's a better idea to just replace it instead of buying a new, way better one, with SFP+ and 10 GBit ports, VLANs, VWLANS and so on.
19:30:23 <hsn> Oh common ysjoelfir
19:30:28 <hsn> that hand writing xD
19:30:33 <hsn> ur not a doctor
19:30:34 <Ysjoelfir> great, isn't it?
19:31:01 <hsn> i understood nothing from it xD
19:31:02 <Halcyon> Ysjoelfir: Yes. Why *wouldn't* you do that?
19:31:41 <Ysjoelfir> why wouldn't I upgrade?
19:31:46 <Halcyon> Yeh
19:31:54 <Halcyon> That sounds like a great idea
19:31:58 <Ysjoelfir> because I would need a standalone modem, my router has it built in right now
19:32:05 <Halcyon> Meh
19:32:10 <Ysjoelfir> the new router would be basically the same price as a new roter/modem combo
19:32:34 <Halcyon> Depends what you use it for I suppose
19:32:55 <Halcyon> I have one of these: https://www.netgate.com/solutions/pfsense/xg-7100-1u.html
19:33:21 <Ysjoelfir> well... lets say it like that: I have sometimes wished for functions like VLAN and 10GBit, but I managed to live without it until now
19:33:43 <Halcyon> Maybe go half-way, forego the 10 Gbit and just get something cheaper
19:34:30 <Ysjoelfir> well, its already pretty cheap. the router I mean. like 220€. the same router/modem combo I have now is 209€.
19:34:50 <Ysjoelfir> so for just 11€ more I would get VLANs, yay! :D but I would need a damn external vectoring modem
19:36:48 <Ysjoelfir> I saw that a DryTek Vigor130 would be around 100€. so that would be like 111€ more, which is way less appealing
19:38:12 <Ysjoelfir> oh, those sell on ebay for way less. like ~30€
19:38:26 <Ysjoelfir> so that makes it 41€. hmm...
19:39:35 <Ysjoelfir> goddamnit, what should I do :D I should decide before the router finally breaks completely. right now it's resetting and/or getting stuck like every third day
19:41:22 <Halcyon> The Vigor130's are OK for a basic modem, but you can't put them in full bridge mode
19:41:36 <Halcyon> They still do some kind of filtering or traffic. I couldn't get IPv6 to work on it properly
19:42:32 <K> Ysjoelfir, check the psu
19:43:33 <hsn> nice :) --> https://snipboard.io/sDio0L.jpg
19:43:40 <Ysjoelfir> K - I did. it's fine. sadly.
19:43:57 <Ysjoelfir> Halcyon - meh, thats less great.
19:45:18 <K> hsn, what are you going to do with mcu specific code in an elf file?
19:46:09 <hsn> what do u mean ? its good to use it with the debugger ?
19:48:01 <hsn> K^
19:49:20 <K> dunno, hadn't really seen mcu code packaged up in an elf before
19:54:54 <hsn> from what i understand
19:55:20 <hsn> when u ship the product with a software u ship it with intel hex/bin file ..
19:55:30 <hsn> if u develop u do elf for debugging
19:56:07 <hsn> if u send elf file to some one u basically ease his way to extract ur source code .. (reverse engineering) ..
19:56:26 <hsn> as it doesnt even change function names , variable , etc ..
19:56:37 <hsn> plus lots of debugging info i think .
19:56:50 <hsn> but thats all i know .. no deep knowledge .
19:58:09 <hsn> u can even do list variables , assembly code using gnu tools .. i dont think this is the case for the bin format .
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20:02:36 <steve30> Halcyon, I think I got Asterisk communicating with my VoIP provider over IPv6 :)
20:04:25 <Halcyon> YAY
20:04:58 <steve30> I pretty much just followed this: https://support.aa.net.uk/VoIP_Phones_-_FreePBX
20:05:17 <steve30> Firewall blocked incoming calls though, so I had to sort that out, but I managed eventually.
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20:11:17 <Halcyon> :P
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20:18:22 <Halcyon> Oh dear, I'm so disappointed in Tom Scott.
20:18:29 <Halcyon> He called SQL "Sequel" in his last video
20:18:34 <Halcyon> tsk tsk
20:18:48 <steve30> Halcyon, for the incoming SIP calls to work, I had to set my firewall rule to 'forward'. I initially set it to 'input'. Do you know what the difference is between forward and input?
20:18:52 <steve30> eww
20:19:22 <Halcyon> No idea? My firewall doesn't use that terminology
20:19:30 * steve30 isn't very good at firewalls
20:20:22 <Halcyon> I'd imagine that "input" might be the interface the rule is to be matched on and forward is the outgoing interface? No idea? It's very odd wording
20:20:36 <Halcyon> But also to set up two rules for the one thing sucks if that's how it works
20:23:11 <steve30> ah, found it: https://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Manual:IP/Firewall/Filter#Chains
20:31:18 <steve30> i should go to bed soon
20:33:57 <Lemon> hooo theres a nice digibridge for sale
20:34:01 <Lemon> at a really interesting price
20:34:12 <Lemon> not really what I wanted but its really cheap
20:35:13 <Lemon> https://www.ebay.fr/itm/General-Radio-Genrad-ESI-IET-1687-LC-Digibridge-1Mhz-LCR-meter-simile-hp-agilent/363009395906?hash=item54850bccc2:g:YlQAAOSwz0Be1C27
20:36:21 <Lemon> it self calibrate, comes with accessories
20:36:28 <Lemon> damn why such nice deals comes like this
20:39:27 * steve30 relaxes on Halcyon's lap
20:39:35 <Halcyon> Aw I was about to get up
20:39:36 <Lemon> hmm it seems it only measures stuff at 1Mhz
20:41:31 <Lemon> well no it wont achieve the accuracy I want
20:41:53 <Lemon> https://www.ebay.fr/itm/Genrad-General-Radio-1863-Megohmmeter/114177591465?hash=item1a9583c8a9:g:nwUAAOSwgrJejXE5 this thing is really neat, I think it can measure up to like 200 Tohms, but too expensive
20:47:56 <Ysjoelfir> naaah lemon, come on, that'll be great!
20:48:20 <Lemon> pff no its a lot of money for me, I dont really need that, I'd prefer a bridge
20:48:34 <Lemon> I'll buy a few calibrated resistors from edwin btw !
20:48:43 <Lemon> im waiting on him for 1/10/100k and maybe 1M+ too
20:48:59 <Ysjoelfir> Nice :)
20:49:01 <Lemon> to calibrate my stuff :>
20:49:14 <Lemon> Im buying some random old precision resistors to charaterize them later
20:49:51 <Lemon> I also might get 1, 2, 4 and 8 ohms 100w or more resistors, to build a 0 to 15 ohm passive load
20:50:34 <Lemon> I want to build things !
20:50:44 <Lemon> that and a little oven to characterize resistors
20:51:02 <Ysjoelfir> keep in mind that those 100W resistors can have..... interesting characteristics in regards to linearity
20:51:19 <Lemon> ho yeah well its not really meant for precision stuff
20:51:38 <Ysjoelfir> precision is always a question of perspective
20:52:22 <Lemon> wwell I do have that electronic load but
20:52:32 <Lemon> I think for some usage, passive loads like this are better no ?
20:52:43 <Ysjoelfir> If your 1R resistor jumps up 100ppm that'll be a not irrelevant deviation from your nominal value, wouldn't it?
20:52:45 <Ysjoelfir> sure
20:53:01 <Lemon> yeah I planned to get some decent power ones
20:53:12 <Lemon> but its not a priority anyway
20:53:33 <Lemon> I still kinda want to build a capcaitor decade box
20:53:50 <Lemon> man those SSG silver mica would make a really nice one :P
20:53:54 <Lemon> bulky af ok
20:53:57 <Lemon> but pretty nice
20:56:25 <Lemon> ho and a HV probe !
20:56:33 <Lemon> like, up to 10KV
20:56:49 <Lemon> for the times I need to measure some stuff like a TV or whatever shit
20:57:04 <Lemon> theres some neat 10KV old resistors with values like 1Gohms
20:59:19 <Lemon> but yeah I want to build things
20:59:29 <Lemon> and use my nice gear to do it :>
20:59:48 <Ysjoelfir> then up you go
21:00:03 <Lemon> you think the hv probe is doable for not too much money ?
21:00:03 <Ysjoelfir> you should start with PCB design soon :) get a license of altium and I'll teach you
21:00:12 <Lemon> yes ! I thought about it
21:00:17 <Lemon> like, redo the thermometer, or whatever
21:00:26 <Ysjoelfir> sure. HV probes of reasonable* quality aren't that hard to do
21:00:38 <Ysjoelfir> T3sl4 will also be happy to guide you with altium, I'm sure!
21:00:42 <Lemon> yeah I dont need a ultra high accuracy
21:00:49 <Lemon> maybe 2% ?
21:01:14 <Lemon> https://www.ebay.fr/itm/300Pf-10-15Kv-RU-Vacuum-Glass-capacitor-Military-Grade/264607799485?hash=item3d9bda98bd:g:GNAAAOSw8dJeKJjy
21:01:17 <Lemon> thats a nice one
21:01:54 <Ysjoelfir> Did I already tell you that I like parts that are encapsuled in glass? :P
21:02:05 <Lemon> yeah :P I love them too
21:02:22 <Lemon> theres a kit of resistors, like 22m, 100m, 10G 100G and 1T
21:02:30 <Lemon> I want them :>
21:02:36 <Lemon> price is decent, 20 euros if im right
21:15:31 <Lemon> https://www.ebay.fr/itm/Set-5pcs-22M-100M-1G-10G-1000GOhm-KVM-Russian-military-vacuum-glass-resistor/254180436862
21:15:32 <Lemon> here is it
21:20:05 <Lord_of_nothing> re
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21:21:30 <K> oh hai
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21:23:28 <Ysjoelfir> Nice, lemme buy it so that lemon can't get it :D
21:23:33 <Ysjoelfir> hi K
21:23:59 <Lemon> theres two left, one for each other :P
21:25:34 <Ysjoelfir> no, its in french. If I buy that I don't know it I get resistors or potentially just a baguette of unknown origin
21:26:40 <hsn> Halycon u cant be dispointed from some pppl like tom scott
21:26:56 <hsn> its just not an option
21:27:46 <hsn> lemon i need ur juice ..
21:30:38 <Ysjoelfir> That sounds so wrong
21:31:13 <K> mhh
21:31:33 <hsn> no u have dirty mind
21:31:37 <hsn> i need lemon juice
21:32:12 <hsn> ysjoelfir
21:32:46 <hsn> i look smart https://snipboard.io/bCowe8.jpg
21:32:49 <Ysjoelfir> suuuuure :D
21:33:05 <Ysjoelfir> do you? XD
21:33:35 <hsn> in reality ?
21:34:12 <hsn> only in linked in ..
21:34:48 <Lemon> https://www.ebay.fr/itm/100-000-Ohm-100kOhm-0-1MOhm-0-01-Resistor-Standard-Resistance-an-g-Fluke-742A/232061130325?hash=item3607ebd655:g:ooYAAOSwlila2ZYU I wonder how good are those
21:34:52 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: We didn't quite hit 30 years without a recession. Close but no cigar. https://t.co/bYbZkfFaQ8
21:35:26 <Halcyon> Oh, apparently we're in recession?
21:35:52 <Ysjoelfir> are we?
21:36:00 <Halcyon> *shrug*
21:36:05 <Halcyon> Good time to buy another house though
21:36:52 <Lemon> 20ppm max, 2ppm typical per year stability
21:36:54 <hsn> i just need one xD
21:36:59 <hsn> or at least a land
21:37:31 <Ysjoelfir> I would love to be able to buy a hose sometime
21:37:42 <Ysjoelfir> but I don't think I'll manage ever in my life
21:37:53 <Halcyon> Is it expensive there?
21:39:56 <hsn> here its ..
21:41:31 <hsn> 250sqm might cost like 210k US $ .. with average salary of people 1.3k$/month
21:41:55 <Halcyon> Land prices sound about the same as here (Sydney)
21:42:24 <Halcyon> Although our average salary is AUD$108k
21:42:49 <hsn> but we got vat 5% and almost good support for electricity and water
21:43:08 <Halcyon> Our GST is 10% but we don't have too many other taxes
21:45:14 <Ysjoelfir> In Frankfurt you can buy a freakin flat with like 60sqm for around 1.5M€.
21:45:28 <hsn> 1.5
21:45:36 <hsn> how much is to rent it
21:46:13 <Ysjoelfir> 60sqm is about 900 to 1200€ + heating, electricity, water, internet, TV, phone
21:46:15 <hsn> that would probably buy u some fancy castle here .. not caslte but big fancy house
21:46:49 <Lemon> and yet our nice 150sqm house with a big field, even a really tiny forest was estimated under 80k euros :>
21:46:59 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: I can't help but think that garden peas are inefficient... https://t.co/gaO5ERvejW
21:47:13 <Halcyon> This is what the same price (roughly) buys in Sydney: https://www.realestate.com.au/property-apartment-nsw-millers+point-133120686
21:47:30 <Halcyon> Tiny little pokey house
21:47:33 <hsn> 900euro is 50% of my salary :>
21:48:29 <Ysjoelfir> Halcyon - thats beautiful :O
21:48:38 <Halcyon> Yeh but small as fuck
21:48:54 <Ysjoelfir> hsn - yeah, it was like that before for me, too. now I get around 2.5k/month
21:48:59 <steve30> i should go to bed
21:50:30 <Ysjoelfir> steve30 - I would love to do that, too.
21:50:39 * Halcyon joins Steve
21:54:03 <Ysjoelfir> eevblog time
21:54:04 <EEVBlog> Ah shoot, Doc! We've ended up at 21:54 Sydney time.
21:54:08 <Ysjoelfir> wutt?
21:54:12 <Ysjoelfir> no, you stay.
21:54:16 <Halcyon> OK :P
21:54:23 <Halcyon> I might have to get more wine though
21:54:24 <Ysjoelfir> xD
21:54:52 <Ysjoelfir> I could give you caffeeine free coke
21:55:25 <Halcyon> Meh
21:55:34 <Ysjoelfir> thats nearly as good!
21:55:38 <Halcyon> I didn't know that was a thing?
21:59:35 <Ysjoelfir> It actually is. And since I got to know that I have spontaneous blood pressure peaks now and then I decided to assist my body as best as I can in reducing stress for my heart. So no caffeeine (I even cut down on my tea and mostly drink fruit tea nowadays..), less salt, way less fat, more veggies, got myself a smartwatch that vibrates every now and then to remind me to get off my fat ass and move, as well as to drink more water,....
22:00:09 <hsn> 2.5k euro isnt too much also ysjoelfir ?
22:00:16 <Ysjoelfir> jep.
22:00:28 <Ysjoelfir> Usually you get around 3.5 in my job
22:00:56 <hsn> yeah
22:00:59 <hsn> https://www.payscale.com/research/DE/Job=Electronics_Engineer/Salary
22:01:07 <hsn> so this is not so far from reality ?
22:02:14 <Halcyon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oK6iKfstF40
22:02:16 <Halcyon> Amazing
22:03:06 <Ysjoelfir> yep @hsn
22:03:29 <Ysjoelfir> I shall watch that when I'm home, Halcyon :) the boss is going around atm....
22:03:44 <hsn> listen to my story about atm
22:04:01 <hsn> so i went 2 days ago to withdraw and it has error and rejected
22:04:14 <hsn> so i withdraw from the next atm .. and same issue
22:04:45 <hsn> after 10 minutes .. the bank send sms they take money 2x times
22:05:12 <hsn> after 1 hour .. 1x money put back to the account
22:05:25 <hsn> and now .. after 3 days .. they still didnt return the money
22:06:07 <hsn> so i called .. they think i did take the money from atm
22:06:31 <hsn> and now im thinking to do some paper loan with big profit and sue them :)
22:06:57 <K> soros & gates be steelin' again
22:07:26 <hsn> who is he banker ?
22:07:30 <hsn> i hate banks :)
22:08:02 <hsn> i've the reciept from atm .. and sent them that i shouldnt .. i should directly sue them
22:08:12 <hsn> after having argue with them on the phone
22:08:15 <hsn> and record it
22:08:50 <Ysjoelfir> I can't remember the last time I used one of those machines
22:09:22 <hsn> dude we got some shit IT poeple working in banks
22:09:39 <hsn> they play with the live database just like how (tom scott) said ..
22:14:01 * Ampera licks Halcyon
22:14:24 * hsn roar
22:14:48 * hsn do the lizard lick face
22:15:17 <hsn> ampera did u see the lizard that eats its skin xD ?
22:15:26 <Ampera> hsn, did you just call me a lizard?
22:15:39 <hsn> no :>
22:16:00 <hsn> did u see the lizard that eats its skin ?
22:16:03 <Ampera> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9STiQ8cCIo0
22:16:25 <Ampera> I've seen lizards and reptiles that shed their skin, potentially with use of their mouth.
22:18:04 <hsn> whats this nice software in the video ampera
22:18:33 <hsn> https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2F9gag%2Fvideos%2Fgecko-eats-its-shedding-skin%2F1262732303898931%2F&psig=AOvVaw1mZC_HJe63nPpHhBFqzWLq&ust=1591273100617000&source=images&cd=vfe&ved=0CA0QjhxqFwoTCKCg-LLQ5ekCFQAAAAAdAAAAABAD
22:18:34 <Ampera> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MilkyTracker
22:18:34 <hsn> this one
22:19:01 <Ampera> No I have not seen that video, neat.
22:19:41 <hsn> look at the lick at the end
22:19:46 <hsn> thats my face
22:23:00 <hsn> ampera : the comment in the youtube u sent : Keygen.exe brought me here.
22:23:16 <Ampera> I didn't send any comment.
22:23:33 <Ampera> how in any way would I be "brotalnia"
22:23:59 <hsn> nah i ment one comment i notices
22:24:00 <hsn> d
22:24:41 <Ampera> ah, then I misunderstood that sentence
22:25:38 <Ampera> that could mean both the comment I sent in the youtube video, and the comment made by someone in the video I sent
22:26:31 <Ampera> I wish I was intelligent enough to do cool things like make some nice mod or FM tracker music
22:27:38 <hsn> i wish i was intelligent at all :>
22:27:46 <Ampera> hsn, wow same
22:28:06 <hsn> all we can do is grieve :)
22:28:12 <Ampera> who diefd
22:28:15 <Ampera> *died
22:28:26 <hsn> intelligent
22:29:46 <Ampera> hsn, I most certainly am not and I do not know why you'd think so
22:30:34 <hsn> i believe we are talking about two different subjects then xD
22:30:44 <hsn> i mean same but were not sync.
22:30:45 <Ampera> yeah, me and you
22:30:56 <Ampera> no you're sync and I'm sink
22:31:00 <Ampera> most specifically the kitchen sink
22:31:03 <Ampera> as I'm a total wash
22:31:19 <hsn> u wash .. and im washed
22:31:37 <hsn> u know we can go for ever right ? lets stop :)
22:32:26 <Ampera> hsn, if you must, but I was quite enjoying this mad tomhatterty
22:33:00 <hsn> Tom Hattery is a former president of the Energy Services Coalition, a national organization promoting energy savings performance contracting. A native
22:33:40 <hsn> ofc u do .. u just licked steve30 :P
22:33:49 <Ampera> Good on him, sounds like an upstanding gentleman
22:33:58 <Ampera> most certainly because he tends to stand upright.
22:34:02 <hsn> or halycon
22:34:10 <Ampera> They both enjoy licking.
22:34:16 <hsn> yeah
22:34:18 <Ampera> that's why I like them
22:34:20 <Ampera> and lick them
22:34:52 <hsn> nice
22:34:59 <K> CEASE!
22:35:07 <hsn> do u know singlton ampera ?
22:35:15 <K> single ton ampera
22:35:16 <Ampera> hsn, no I only know shingleton
22:35:26 <K> i think hsn just called you fat
22:35:32 * Ampera sends a cease to exist notice to K
22:35:40 <hsn> K, u fat racist
22:35:49 <Ampera> woah mentlegen, let's cut it out with the racism
22:36:00 <Ampera> only people who are of a race are allowed to be racist
22:36:03 <K> that is - i am fat, ir or i am racist to fat?
22:36:10 <Ampera> and since we're all likely sitting down right now, stationary on the ground, and none of us are racing
22:36:58 <hsn> sitting down ? thats our racing style babe
22:37:18 <Ampera> better to be sitting down than shitting down
22:37:23 <Ampera> a bowling alley
22:37:30 <Ampera> after having eaten chili nachos
22:37:54 <Ampera> perhaps I'm just full of shit
22:38:47 <hsn> yummi
22:38:55 <hsn> i wanna some
22:39:04 <hsn> wannacry for some
22:50:37 * Ysjoelfir remembers the day we first went into the new office. Workmate and me had to try out the new chairs in a chair race across the bureau hallway
22:51:43 <Ampera> hi Ysjoelfir how are you doing
22:52:31 <Ysjoelfir> Hi ampera, quite nice, still enjoying that the last message in the other eevblog IRC is about dicks. xD
22:52:31 <EEVBlog> If you keep saying that, I'm gonna hold you upside down and shake you until all the electrons fall out, Ysjoelfir!
22:52:38 <Ysjoelfir> how about you?
22:52:39 <hsn> is this plc ???? -> https://snipboard.io/v96q24.jpg
22:52:45 <Ysjoelfir> sheesh, calm down EEVBlog :D
22:52:57 <hsn> \eevblog echo hi
22:53:05 <Ampera> Ysjoelfir, waking up.
22:53:13 <Ysjoelfir> hsn - it says its MLC.
22:53:23 <hsn> how do they do MLC ?
22:53:28 <Ysjoelfir> Ampera - good to know that. Did you sleep well?
22:53:29 <hsn> with C?
22:53:32 <Ysjoelfir> no idea hsn
22:53:37 <Ampera> Ysjoelfir, I'm me, so no
22:53:42 <Ysjoelfir> meh
22:53:53 <Ampera> I had a really fucking bizarre dream about walking around an old abandoned house
22:54:08 <Ampera> but it was simultaneously perfectly furnished and dark, dingy, and crumbling at the same time
22:54:17 <Ampera> and had a very strange design
22:54:23 <hsn> ysjoelfir , do u think its like an OS that parse ladder logic ?
22:54:26 <Ampera> what makes it even weirder is I believe I've had that dream before.
22:55:44 <Ysjoelfir> I know that feeling. In my younger years I had.... IIRC two dreams that kept coming back. I think I never managed to "dream them to the end". But your dream sounds very interesting to me
22:55:52 <Ysjoelfir> hsn - that could be the case
22:56:47 <Ampera> I had two verified repeat dreams, one was actually a sequel to the other, years and years ago, that I remember vividly, but are too damn strange to talk about
22:58:48 <Ysjoelfir> thats ok. The ones I remember were actually.... well, one was a bit horrifying (or however you write that word), the other was more technical oriented. And I just remembered a third one, that was as well in the category of "lets not talk about that one" xD
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22:59:45 <Ampera> Horrifying is not what I'm ashamed of, it's embarrassing
23:00:06 <Ampera> If you want horrifying I've been impaled and roasted alive in my dreams.
23:01:53 * hsn select * from ampera ; insert into hsn
23:02:08 <Ampera> DROP TABLE hsn;
23:02:11 <Ysjoelfir> uuh, hsn wants you to be inserted into him, Ampera xD
23:02:32 <hsn> ysjoelfir stop :)
23:02:37 <hsn> ur dirty
23:02:37 <Ysjoelfir> I'm not ashamed of the two forementioned ones, only the third one I just remembered. :D
23:02:38 <hsn> xD
23:02:45 <Ampera> yeah don't you know that speech like that could get hsn executed?
23:02:45 <Ysjoelfir> am I? damn!
23:02:53 * Ysjoelfir runs to the bathroom to clean himself
23:03:00 <Ampera> "clean" himself
23:03:03 <Ampera> enjoy your "cleaning"
23:03:07 <Ysjoelfir> ;-P
23:03:18 <hsn> lick him after .
23:12:54 <Ysjoelfir> so. Did you enjoy your lickerage?
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