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10:41 <Lemon> Ysjoelfir https://www.ebay.fr/itm/50m-164ft-Manganin-Wire-0-07mm-115-Ohm-m-40AWG/252648846429?hash=item3ad30b745d:g:7wIAAOSwux5YNUoO look at that !
10:50 <Lemon> do you think I could make some nice inductors/resistors with that ?
11:21 <Ysjoelfir> resistors, if you don't want to coat it, as it's conductive. but sure. manganin is a great material
11:27 <Ysjoelfir> just remember that you can't solder it IIRC
11:46 <Lemon> it looks coated no ?
11:48 <Lemon> or in a sheath
11:53 <Lemon> yeah true only weld
13:57 <Lemon> I need to find a nice pure copper wire, only one braid
14:13 <Lemon> I heard that multi braids isnt the best, as sometimes it doesnt come from the same reel
14:19 <Lemon> so you can have different thermal emfs
15:16 <Ysjoelfir> oh, actually yes, it's enameled AND silk coated. nice stuf
15:32 <Lemon> so inductors could be made ? :>
15:35 <Ysjoelfir> maybe I should get some of that.....
15:37 <Lemon> I wonder how precise/stable it could get
15:38 <Ysjoelfir> yes, absolutely
15:54 <Lemon> he got some constantan wire too, idk what it is
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16:03 <Ysjoelfir> basically the same
16:11 <Ysjoelfir> just an other material
16:15 <Ysjoelfir> but simmilar properties
16:22 <Lemon> hmmm I need the lowest possible tempco
16:27 <Ysjoelfir> other stuff like that is Isaohm from german Isabellenhütte
16:29 <Lemon> I guess manganin is the best bet
17:11 <rust_collector> isabellenhütte has the neatest little factory, so you should buy from them
17:34 <Lemon> well sadly It will probably be much more expensive than him :/
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17:41 <Lemon> btw, every manganin been born equal you think ?
17:46 <Lemon> or tempco vary a lot ?
17:49 <Lemon> I know theres different sizes
18:25 <rust_collector> there is always a lot of versions of everything
19:24 <Ampera> good morning
19:25 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Retweet: Richard Feynman: 11 * 11 = 121 111 * 111 = 12321 1111 * 1111 = 1234321 11111 * 11111 = 123454321 111111 * 111111 = 12345654321 1111111 * 1111111 = 1234567654321 11111111 * 11111111 = 123456787654321 111111111 * 111111111 = 12345678987654321
19:51 <rust_collector> hi Ampera
20:05 <Ysjoelfir> well... isaohm has a TK of ~1e-6, manganin is IIRC 1e-5 (by the way, manganin is also from isabellenhütte ;) ) and Konstantan (or Isotan from isabellenhütte...) is around 1e-5, too, but with a flatter curve
20:15 <Ysjoelfir> hi Ampera
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40:25 <Lemon> https://www.ebay.com/itm/NEOTECH-Solid-Core-18AWG-UP-OCC-PTFE-Teflon-Hook-Up-Cable-Pure-Copper-Wire-HiEnd-/253465408017 this kind of cable + crimped solid copper spades/banana plugs
40:41 <Lemon> and im sure you get a pretty nice, ultra low thermal emf cable
40:44 <Lemon> for measurements etc
42:23 <Lemon> maybe audiophool gear got some nice pros :>
42:51 <Lemon> it will probably be stiff af but ho well
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24:07 <rust_collector> Something makes me think they should put the power supply under the bed on 3d printers, use it as a heat sink. heh, go for a linear, to get some more heat out of it
29:26 <coppice> Lemon: manganin varies quite a bit from sample to sample. A really good sample has a tempco close to zero. I think Manganin, konstantin and these other allows capable of achieving zero temp coeff vary quite a bit in how precisely the alloy has to be made to get close to zero, and how much attaching probe wires to them affects things
30:11 <coppice> s/allows/alloys
31:18 * Ysjoelfir just survived shopping
31:38 <rust_collector> better luck next time
32:14 <coppice> we went to a McD drivethrough, as a symbol of the world returning to normal. However, the queues made it still far from a normal experience
33:15 <rust_collector> you have some weird symbol things over there
36:35 <coppice> Its complex. Going there was a weird sacrificial thing to demonstrate how important wifey is to me..... you had to be there
36:59 <rust_collector> oh, mcd is your ikea?
37:38 <coppice> by coincidence I avoided a trip to Ikea today
38:10 <rust_collector> I guess I would rather suffer thru eating a cheeseburger than being in ikea all day
38:49 <coppice> do Ikea employ maize designers to lay out their stores?
39:01 <rust_collector> yes
39:30 <rust_collector> you can bet they have a team of people working on just that
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41:47 <Nothing\> chow chow moo pie
42:20 * Nothing\ belches
42:46 <Ampera> Hi Nothing\
42:56 <Ampera> buh, you logged on right as I was about to shut down my server (and ZNC)
43:02 <Nothing\> hey Ampera. how ya doin, buddy?
43:06 <Ampera> Two 4TB HGST UltraStars just came in I need to install
43:12 <Ampera> I'm doing good, going to order pizza in a couple hours
43:15 <Nothing\> nice!
43:20 <Nothing\> and also, lucky
43:32 <Nothing\> i came into a bit of money, i still need to figure out what to do with it
43:42 <Nothing\> i have like $1300 or so i can spend
43:51 <Nothing\> but there's nothing really i need
43:56 <Ysjoelfir> I have a great idea, Nothing\
44:01 <Nothing\> a new computer would be nice, but it's not essential
44:08 <Ysjoelfir> you could gift it to me, to repay that damn health insurance! :D
44:35 <Nothing\> isn't the point of health insurance so you DON'T have to pay money for healthcare?
44:36 <Nothing\> lol
45:03 <Ampera> anyways, I'll be back in a while when I manage to stuff these drive into my server
45:04 <Ampera> if I can
45:05 <Ampera> ciao
45:13 <Nothing\> besides, i'm canadian so that concept doesn't make sense to me in the least bit
45:16 <rust_collector> no, it means you pay all the time, even if you do not use it
45:24 <Nothing\> Ampera, alright have fun with your new toys
45:24 Quit: Ampera ([email protected]) Quit: Quick! Someone tell Ampera his server has caught fire!
45:26 Quit: EEVBlog ([email protected]) Connection closed
45:31 <Nothing\> rust_collector, oh yeah i forgot about the premium
45:38 <Nothing\> then there's the co-pay too
45:47 <rust_collector> so...
45:51 <Ysjoelfir> well.... they pay me money every month to compensate the power used by a respirator SWMBO needs. now, after 3.5 years, they noticed that they paid way to much every moth, so they were like "we want that back. now. 2700€ ASAP!"
46:14 <Ysjoelfir> also, as rusty said, you pay every month for it from your paycheck, so...
46:33 <Nothing\> why the hell have i got the RAM addresses for the character display on a c64/128 written on my hand
46:38 <Nothing\> or half of them anyways
46:54 <rust_collector> because you are a nerd, with bad memory
47:01 <Ysjoelfir> I wanted to say the same
47:21 <Nothing\> Ysjoelfir, wow that's bullshit
47:39 <Nothing\> rust_collector, indeed, the two traits don't go very well together either i must say
47:59 <Nothing\> my meds have a tendency to cause amnesia, so i get memory loss and blackouts a lot
48:18 <Nothing\> they also taste weird
48:29 <Nothing\> they have this odd almost minty but not quite minty taste
48:36 <Nothing\> it burns my throat and stomach
49:17 <Nothing\> it's odd because drugs are alkaloids which usually have a basic nitrogen in them, which causes them to almost always taste bitter
49:30 <rust_collector> minyt, but not really mint... that is what the germans use in everything, when they need to add flavour to anything at all. it is called menthol
49:59 <Nothing\> no it's not quite like menthol, but the sensation is similar, sort of cold and burny
50:22 <Nothing\> that reminds me, i put half a bottle of mint extract into the tank of my toilet the other day
50:31 <Nothing\> it made my entire upstairs smell like mint ice cream
50:47 <rust_collector> no, don't even try. it is menthol. just look it up, and you will find that one of the guys working on that was german
50:54 <Nothing\> lol and i put half a bottle of blue food coloring in my mom's toilet's tank
51:15 <Nothing\> rust_collector, actually, i have no idea who developed this drug
51:18 <Nothing\> clonazepam
51:44 <Nothing\> wow, the plumbing just made a god awful sound like all of the pipes were shaking at once
51:49 <Nothing\> scared the shit out of the cat
52:26 <Nothing\> and now my toilet just started making noises like the tank overfilled and had to drain slightly
52:34 <Nothing\> something spooky going on there
55:09 <Nothing\> i can't even remember what the first benzo was called... it's bugging me now
55:24 <Nothing\> chlordiazepoxide!
55:27 <Nothing\> that's it
55:27 <rust_collector> my laptop is haunted. I am going to install windows on a small partition, to maybe get the damn thing working
55:46 <rust_collector> Nothing\, you have to start thinking about something else, I think
55:52 <Nothing\> rust_collector, there's nothing i hate more than when a computer does something that i don't tell it to do
55:59 <Nothing\> rust_collector, tell me about it
56:17 <Nothing\> maybe i should learn some more assembly before my meds kick in
56:17 <rust_collector> well, in the beginning, you ....
56:31 <Nothing\> i've been learning like half a dozen different assembly languages
56:46 <rust_collector> I think it is more annoying when it does not do anything at all
57:45 <rust_collector> I want to look into some programming language one day. I have tried before, but I think I just do not understand what I want it to do, sort of
57:47 <Nothing\> let's see there's msp430, 6502, 8086, 8051, 65816 but that's basically the same thing as 6502 but 16 bit
58:22 <Nothing\> rust_collector, yeah i remember years back my main problem with learning programming was not having any clue wtf to make my program do
58:35 <rust_collector> right
58:44 <coppice> PIC an assembly language
58:55 <rust_collector> I can make many languages say hello world... but why?
59:02 <Nothing\> nowadays, at least with assembly i just start with simple stuff like changing registers, or adding numbers, or if it's an 8 bit language i figure out how to do math on 16 bit numbers or higher
59:39 <Nothing\> or i get a RAM map and play with certain locations, like video output
00:11 <Nothing\> which is probably why i have the memory addresses for the video addresses on the c128 scribbled on my hand
00:56 <Nothing\> rust_collector, or with higher level languages i'd do stuff like make a calculator program, or number guessing game
01:21 <Nothing\> or a program to find prime numbers or square roots by "hand"
01:31 <Nothing\> that is, not using the sqrt function
01:53 <rust_collector> I know a guy that is really into C. he does interesting things, that makes no sense to me, lol
02:25 <Nothing\> i could never get into c or c++ a lot of the syntax is just too convoluted for me to remember
02:39 <coppice> C, if you study hard, you can be like that too
02:39 <rust_collector> but, he is also educated in that sort of thing, so I guess someone explained how that stuff works
02:49 <Nothing\> and with java, i coudln't even get to the point where i could compile a program
03:00 <Nothing\> i remember one tutorial had me install eclipse and all this other shit
03:09 <Nothing\> and i could never get it to work right so i just gave up
03:38 <Nothing\> i dunno why, i just get low level languages more than higher level ones
03:45 <Nothing\> they're more straight forward to me
04:02 <rust_collector> coppice, yes, sure, but study what how? I know how to drive things...
04:03 <Nothing\> they do what you tell them to do and there's no fancy syntax to remember
04:40 <Nothing\> rust_collector, i'd suggest starting with a simpler language like qb64
05:27 <Nothing\> another problem i had with c/c++ is the resources were written for people with extensive programming experience so a lot of it went way over my head
05:55 <rust_collector> well, the question is still the same, study that how? I know some people "just use it, and learn as they go"
06:02 <rust_collector> but that is not me
06:07 <Nothing\> plus i liked codeblocks, but for some reason it can't find a proper compiler on my computer
06:36 <rust_collector> I think there was a place you could just tell it what compiler you had
07:08 <Nothing\> even when i installed something like mingw and showed it where it was, it was like "can't find a compiler"
07:24 <Lemon> hello peeps I havent seen yet
07:24 <Nothing\> yeah there is
07:28 <Nothing\> hey lemon
08:25 <rust_collector> I think I will stay with learning real languages. you nerds can do the computer stuff
08:39 <Nothing\> rust_collector, qb64's a real language
08:51 <Nothing\> you can make your own irc client in qb64
09:12 <rust_collector> sure, but where do they speak qb64? ghana?
09:34 <Lemon> rusty I want to build my own low thermal emf cables
09:36 <coppice> rust_collector: don't you know all the best software is written in Mandarin?
09:48 <Lemon> I read somewhere that solid core is better than multi fine braids
09:49 <Nothing\> i had a friend make me an irc client where the background and text colors constantly shifted gradually in a random pattern and you could control the speed or randomness of the shifting, to the point where it was like a strobe light
09:58 <Nothing\> it made for a really psychedelic experience
10:36 <rust_collector> awesome, exactly the opposite of what I want on my computer, lol
10:46 <Nothing\> rust_collector, lol that's like this guy i knew who learned uh shit what's that one language called
10:54 <Nothing\> it's an invented language, has no real use
10:58 <rust_collector> yes
11:01 <rust_collector> eeh
11:04 <Nothing\> not lojbon
11:14 <Lemon> esperanto ?
11:14 <rust_collector> language nerd language
11:14 <Nothing\> esparanto, that's it
11:16 <Nothing\> yeah
11:17 <rust_collector> yep
11:23 <Lemon> heh dont tell my mother
11:34 <Lemon> theres tons of peeps talking it in china apparently
11:42 <Lemon> and in some other countries aswell
11:44 <Nothing\> huh i didn't know that
11:50 <Lemon> for me, its soul-less
11:52 <rust_collector> that is because there is a ton of tons of people in china
11:58 <Lemon> and sounds like shit
12:02 <Lemon> but hey
12:08 <Lemon> whatever fits you I guess
12:38 <coppice> I wonder how many people can actually speak esperanto?
12:50 <Nothing\> coppice, there are probably stats somewhere for that
13:14 <rust_collector> it seems to be a thing, when language nerds have their meetings
13:19 <Lemon> ho from what I gather its starting to be a real thing
13:24 <Lemon> in the millions
13:37 <coppice> its bad enough when one person in a conversation is struggling in a second language, but when everyone is that doesn't sound like a route to effective communication
14:09 <coppice> rust_collector: no. its a thing when esperanto speakers have their meetings
16:10 <coppice> The wikipedia page says up to 2 million speakers. However, the way many speaker counts are made that could just be 2 million people who could say a few sentances in esperanto
16:25 <Lemon> coppice do you think that solid core wires are better than multi braid ones, for resistance/voltage measurements ? I read that somewhere, as multi braided ones can come from different reels and have different properties
16:45 <Lemon> I'll ask my mother about this
16:50 <Nothing\> https://www.quora.com/How-many-people-can-speak-Esperanto-1
16:57 <Nothing\> i'm not sure how accurate these figures are
16:58 <rust_collector> they are pretty certainly from different reels
17:05 <Nothing\> certainly not up to date, as they're from 1996
17:22 <Nothing\> you guys ever hear of lojbon?
17:33 <Lemon> I mean if I want to make my cable, I want to do it the best possible way, even if some stuff probably doesnt matter much
17:34 <rust_collector> nope
17:36 <Nothing\> it's an interesting concept, but even more obscure and useless than esperanto
17:46 <rust_collector> prefect
17:53 <Nothing\> it's another invented language, but it's based on having as few ambiguities as possible
18:27 <coppice> Nothing\: reducing ambiguity is an illusion
18:31 <Nothing\> less stuff like in engilsh where i say "i'm going to a bar" can mean you're going to the pub, or you're going to a rod shaped piece of metal
19:14 <Nothing\> coppice, yeah i can't say how well it works, i started learning it over a decade ago but quickly got to a point where it was over my head
19:33 <Nothing\> plus not having any practical use for it, i quickly forgot the stuff i did learn
19:41 <Nothing\> which is a problem i had with learning french
20:00 <Nothing\> i took french for 9 years, as is mandatory here in schools, and like most people i can barely form a coherent sentence
20:13 <Lemon> ho dont worry
20:21 <Lemon> most frenchies cant either
20:21 <coppice> learning languages is really hard if you have solid reason to learn
20:25 <Nothing\> the only reason my french is as strong as it is is because i still practice and learn it nowadays
20:49 <coppice> s/have/don't have
20:51 <Lemon> even grammar, I dont know a lot of people, including me, that can write without making mistakes every 10 words
20:55 <Nothing\> i should learn german, my mom's fluent so i figured we could talk to eachother in german for practice
21:15 <Lemon> english is incredibly easy in that aspect
21:32 <Lemon> well I probably make mistakes
21:42 <Lemon> but much less than with my own language
21:54 <Nothing\> actually english pronunciation is incredibly confusing for non-english speakers
22:21 <Lemon> rust_collector so the new things is homemade cables, what do you have to say about this ? I need a rusty saying before doing anything
22:32 <Lemon> -s
22:56 <Nothing\> the most cited example is cough, enough, ought, tough, rough, though, through, dough etc
23:29 <rust_collector> I say just do it, you might need a nice pressing tool to crush the ends on properly
23:32 <Nothing\> or how often we replace vowels with a schwa sound, even though there's no clear indication that you should
23:47 <Nothing\> tom scott made a video about that recently, it was really interesting
23:48 <Lemon> hmmm a needle nose plier wont do the trick ?
24:07 <Lemon> I didnt thought about that
24:12 <rust_collector> Lemon, have you seen them press ends on a hydraulic hose?
24:13 <Nothing\> Lemon, lol i thought you were talking about learning languages for a second
24:30 <Nothing\> i imagined a guy grasping another guy's nose with needle nose pliers to help him pronounce words better
24:47 <Lemon> haha no sorry im on another thing, looking at pure copper shit
24:56 <Nothing\> Lemon, as any real man should
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25:05 <Lemon> ha yes but I aint making a hose
25:26 <rust_collector> yes you are
26:02 <Lemon> https://www.ebay.fr/itm/Neotech-Solid-Core-UP-OCC-Copper-24AWG-PTFE-Teflon-Hook-Up-Wire-DIY-Audio-Cable/293020682964?hash=item443964cad4:g:Et0AAOSwepdcbArP
26:10 <Lemon> see I thought about that kind of wire
26:24 <Lemon> it might be stiff but idgaf honestly
26:28 <Lemon> as long as it works nicely
26:34 <Lemon> I wonder how I can measure EMF
27:47 <Lemon> idf if silver plated copper is better or what
27:51 <Nothing\> here rust_collector i was thinking this might help you
27:54 <Nothing\> http://www.cplusplus.com/doc/tutorial/
27:55 <Lemon> I feel using only one thing all the way is better
28:00 <Lemon> and avoiding solder too
28:05 <rust_collector> wasnt there something about using many strands on high frequency stuff, because the current did not go deep into the conductor?
28:11 <Nothing\> it's the tutorial i used, before codeblocks went tits up
28:26 <Lemon> maybe yeah, but I mainly want them for not so high freq
28:36 <Lemon> like resistance, and DCV
28:45 <rust_collector> thanks Nothing\ I will look at it
28:52 <Nothing\> rust_collector, yes, the skin effect causes high frequency currents to stay around the outside of a conductor, rather than using the whole thing
29:25 <Nothing\> rust_collector, np, i'll try to dig up some other resources i used
29:55 <Nothing\> here's one, but it's a bit technical
29:56 <Nothing\> https://en.cppreference.com/w/
30:04 <Nothing\> but those were the two main ones i used
30:14 <Nothing\> i believe the one even has a compiler you can use in your browser
30:19 <Nothing\> or some site does
30:42 <rust_collector> yeah
31:43 <Nothing\> btw, do any of you know what those fish tank thermometers are called where it has a heat sensitive compound in it that highlights whatever number corresponds to the temperature?
31:44 <rust_collector> Lemon, if you used a mini version of this, on your cable ends, and do not stop because of a led, you can make the ends almost weld on to the cable:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5chWekDWMRc
32:23 <Nothing\> oh nm, apparently they're some sort of LCD
32:30 <Nothing\> but not electronic
32:42 <rust_collector> people do put a lot of crap in fish tanks, lol
32:49 <Nothing\> one of these: https://i5.walmartimages.ca/images/Enlarge/624/335/6000199624335.jpg
33:15 <Lemon> well I doubt it exist/is cheap for what I want to do lol
33:24 <Nothing\> rust_collector, dude i was in a pet shop yesterday looking for one of those balls in a track for my cat. they had this sunken ship decoration for a fish tank. the damn thing was $110
33:38 <rust_collector> it does exist, but it is probably not cheap.
33:45 <Lemon> I thought about using spades at the end of my cables
33:50 <Lemon> well I want to make a few different ones
34:09 <rust_collector> make a million of them, and put them on ebay
35:20 <Lemon> I thought about spades/banana/croco terminations, and if I find nice kelvin clips, that too
36:07 <Nothing\> one thing i never got about alligator clips
36:24 <Nothing\> the contact area is so tiny with them, you'd think they'd be really ineffective
36:28 <Lemon> why are they fucking hard to buy ?
36:31 <Lemon> me neither, me neither
36:39 <Nothing\> alligator clips hard to buy?
36:48 <Nothing\> or kelvin clips?
36:51 <Lemon> haha well I want some mueller ones and for some reasons
36:57 <Lemon> every website I find doesnt deliver to france
37:02 <Lemon> or you need a pro account
37:03 <rust_collector> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qYZFxQ8Pxw
37:06 <Lemon> or you need to pay custom fees
37:12 <rust_collector> look a good minute into it
37:15 <Nothing\> on alligator clips?
37:26 <Lemon> yeah insulated ones, with a 4mm socket
37:32 <Nothing\> that's weird
37:34 <Lemon> but not bigass ones
37:37 <Lemon> yeah it sucks
37:48 <Nothing\> they sell them at the surplus store here locally for like $5 for a pack of 12
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37:59 <Lemon> ha well I mean, correct ones
38:07 <Lemon> mueller ones cost around 3-4 bucks a piece
38:49 <rust_collector> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAO9eCS65jw
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39:41 <Lemon> ha nice rusty
39:42 <Lemon> thanks
39:55 <Lemon> I might get a nice tool if its great and not that costly
40:16 <Lemon> but it wont matter much, as I'll use them with ultra low current most of the time
40:44 <rust_collector> well, if you want to measure ultra low anything, you need good connections...
40:52 <Lemon> ho yeah thats right
41:01 <Lemon> but well not necessary low anything
41:06 <Lemon> I just want no loss from cables
41:16 <Lemon> I want them to be inexistant in measurements
41:21 <rust_collector> right
41:23 <Lemon> even if its not possible
41:27 <Lemon> just, the best possible
41:32 <Lemon> and when I look at pre-made cables, well
41:33 <Nothing\> cool, my youtube channel has a total of almost 120,000 views
41:36 <Lemon> the price is horrible
41:41 <Nothing\> only 50 someodd subs though
41:44 <Lemon> ho damn thats nice
42:06 <Nothing\> lol that's just cuz i put a clip from dune up that has like 110k views
42:18 <Nothing\> i think people keep linking to it on sites and forums or something
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43:05 <Nothing\> my next most viewed video only has like 1500 views for some reason and is just me after the dentist with my mouth paralyzed from the anesthetic
43:38 <Lemon> heh :>
43:39 <Lemon> how dude
43:46 <Lemon> I found a dripper in my bedroom
43:51 <Lemon> with some premade coils and cotton lol
43:58 <Nothing\> right on
44:02 <Nothing\> small favours
44:03 <Lemon> a mutation v5 X
44:09 <Lemon> or whatever
44:13 <Lemon> not a bad one it seems
44:19 <Lemon> I thought it got stolen but nope
44:23 <Lemon> I used it once I think
45:16 <Nothing\> so you live in france, Lemon?
45:23 <Lemon> I do yes
45:36 <Nothing\> right on, not that i'm up on my french geography, but what part?
45:58 <rust_collector> on the surface
46:00 <Nothing\> i read the other day that the sand on the beach an normandy is something like 5% shrapnel
46:11 <Nothing\> *at normandy
46:14 <Lemon> yeah its shit right there
46:27 <Lemon> I live in bourgogne franche comte :>
46:38 <Lemon> add accents that I dont have on my qwerty keyboard
46:42 * Nothing\ google maps
46:42 <Lemon> to the e in comte
46:52 <Lemon> jura, dammartin-marpain precisely
46:59 <Ysjoelfir> those french guys with their accents....
47:06 <Lemon> yeah fuck them
47:10 <Lemon> I dont even bother anymore lol
47:24 <Nothing\> ah, so sort of by the swiss border
47:30 <Lemon> yep :>
47:49 <Nothing\> right on
47:56 <Ysjoelfir> ît's líkè évêry wórd hás lîkê ónè míllìón âccents
48:05 <rust_collector> those bastards
49:34 <Lemon> I fear the crimp tool will cost me alot
51:32 <Lemon> Ysjoelfir, do you think my theory of solid core cables vs multi braided, that each braid can come from different reels, and have different characteristics, so solid core is better (for DCV, resistance measurements) is right ?
51:36 <Lemon> I read that somewhere
51:44 <Nothing\> oh yeah, i forgot i got more programming based games last night
51:54 <Nothing\> lol i have like 15-20 different games about programming
52:20 <Nothing\> i bought iths one disappointing one on steam, it's basically like a digital circuit simulator made into a game
52:24 <Ysjoelfir> well... I can immagine that being true, but I don't think thats anywhere near a practical limitation.
52:34 <Nothing\> if i wanted to make digital circuits, i'd just use logisim and do it for free
52:44 <Lemon> ho I just want to make the best thing possible
52:47 <Lemon> even if it doesnt matter
52:54 <Lemon> I guess, at the end it adds up
52:57 <Lemon> and it feels better :>
53:12 <Lemon> also, if money is no object
53:13 <Nothing\> lol
53:18 <Lemon> which material is the best ?
53:21 <Nothing\> me to my mom: hey mom guess what!
53:26 <Nothing\> mom: what?
53:29 <Lemon> solid OFC copper ? plated ? silver ?
53:32 <Nothing\> me: FAAAAAAAAAAAART
53:59 <Nothing\> i always wondered what gold plating does for a conductor
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54:12 <Nothing\> cuz wouldn't the signal have to go through copper after the plating anyways?
54:13 <Lemon> to prevent oxydation no ?
54:16 <Ysjoelfir> XD you bastard :D
54:36 <Nothing\> well yeah but i thought it was more for reducing resistance and enhancing signal propogation
54:54 <Nothing\> hey ThunderSqueak how goes it?
55:08 <Ysjoelfir> Lemon - yes, it prevents the oxidation. the best thing would be OFC, combined with pure copper posts on all connections to defeat thermals
55:41 <Lemon> exactly what I thought, and crimped to avoid solder, for that dreaded seedbeck effect
55:46 <Lemon> seebeck ?
55:51 <Lemon> I think it is
56:03 <Ysjoelfir> yes
56:08 <Lemon> :D
56:24 <Lemon> then I'll go for that, idc if it cost some significant money, I want real nice cables
56:31 <Lemon> and buying them premade is like... no thanks
56:44 <Lemon> making them myself will cost maybe 10% of the price of a premade one
02:49 <Lemon> Ysjoelfir do you think it should be shielded ? for resistance/DCV, again
06:23 <Nothing\> dammit, this is why i hate using vice for commodore emulation
06:43 <Nothing\> the user manual says there's a button to switch between 40 and 80 line displays
06:54 <Nothing\> but damned if i know what button that is on vice
07:09 <Nothing\> and the multiple forum posts i came across had outdated information that didn't work
08:27 <Nothing\> actually, 8 bit guy made a great video about getting an 80 collumn display on the c64 with hardware mods, i shoudl totally watch that again
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18:51 <Ampera> buh
18:55 <Ampera> he left right as I joined back
18:59 <Ampera> drives are in anyways.
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19:03 <Lemon> :(
19:11 <Ampera> I had to manufacture my own molex to SATA adapter
19:15 <Ampera> which meant soldering
19:18 <Ysjoelfir> if you want the best... sure. ideally you would want it to be a shielded 4 wire twisted pair thing
19:37 <Lemon> why 4 wire ?
19:46 <rust_collector> Ampera, I got this message: If any of you guys know a bit about 3D gaming on cloud hypervisor tennants or mesh wireless networking (15+ nodes, 50+ repeaters) i have some amazing opportunities to do some cool remote work with us
19:53 <Lemon> ampera heh are you proud of the result ?
19:55 <rust_collector> is this anything you know anything about?
19:57 <Ysjoelfir> you want it to be the best, right?
20:11 <Lemon> yeah !
20:11 <Ampera> Lemon, that remains to be seen, I need to get all the zpools in order
20:15 <Ampera> if you mean the cable, actually i am
20:25 <Ampera> I did it sort of properly, and it's not a bad cable for the hackjob it is
24:50 <Lemon> Ysjoelfir why 4 cores makes it better ? I dont understand
25:24 <Lemon> https://www.ebay.fr/itm/CARDAS-LITZ-4-CORE-TWISTED-SHIELD-CABLE-TONEARMS-INTERCONNECTS-HEADPHONES/400971033327?hash=item5d5bbc6aef:g:t~4AAMXQbcRQ5tu2
25:25 <Lemon> like this ?
27:05 <Ampera> rust_collector, sounds like two entirely different concepts
27:17 <Ampera> one is cloud gaming, which I know a bit about, and one is meshnets, which I know less about
27:27 <Ampera> I don't know enough about either to offer my skills in setting them up
27:42 <rust_collector> ok. just had to ask
28:19 <Ampera> now I have to copy all of the stuff off my current 2x2TB pool, so I can recreate the pool with 3x2TB
28:41 <Ampera> so I'll have 6TB of active data storage, and 8TB of lukewarm backup storage
28:57 <Ampera> which means I should have enough storage to back everything up now
44:57 <Lemon> for spades, those are good ? https://www.audiophonics.fr/en/spades/eizz-ez-502-gold-plated-copper-spades-o5mm-pair-p-9904.html that type I mean
45:03 <Lemon> gold plated copper
47:19 <Lemon> https://www.audiophonics.fr/en/spades/mundorf-forks-100-copper-ofc-gold-angled-o6mm-the-pair-p-3158.html those seems more trustable
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03:53 <Lemon> hmmmm im reading that peeps just use a wire, snug it into the cross-drilled hole of banana posts
04:10 <Lemon> tthat way you avoid any bad banana/spade low thermal whatever stuff
15:16 <Ysjoelfir> Lemon - no, not gold plated. pure copper without any plating.
16:05 <Ysjoelfir> regarding 4 wires - well, 4 wire measurement for resistances is superior, isn't it?
16:36 <rust_collector> 8 has to be awesome
20:55 <Lemon> ha yes true
21:09 <Lemon> but gold plating, offer almost no difference, and prevent oxydation
21:12 <Lemon> from what I just read
21:21 <rust_collector> right
21:30 <Lemon> 0.2uv/C for copper-copper, 0.3uv/C copper-gold/silver
21:33 <rust_collector> but you want the best right?
21:40 <Lemon> I think I'll just get some good wires
21:46 <Lemon> and tie them directly in the post
21:53 <Lemon> that will be cheaper and better
21:59 <rust_collector> what kind of knot will you use?
22:04 <Lemon> as I dont have to bother with banana/spades
22:14 <Lemon> the 'twistntuck'
23:08 <Lemon> but im tempted to replace the binding posts on my instruments
23:24 <Lemon> as some if not all are brass plated or just old
23:50 <rust_collector> oh really... your old stuff has old parts?
24:18 <rust_collector> how about cleaning them, and see how that goes?
24:37 <Lemon> no but by old I mean used, sorry
24:43 <Lemon> some are oxydized
24:58 <Lemon> but yeah if I find some cleaner here
25:15 <rust_collector> I would try that, before tearing it all apart
26:10 <Lemon> yeah
26:18 <Lemon> Idk if they are soldered or screwed
26:50 <rust_collector> or both
27:28 <Lemon> thats when I realized I really want a null meter
27:36 <Lemon> they are perfect to measure that kind of thing
29:23 <DHess_US> Get real binding posts, https://i.ibb.co/XWkbmvm/PG506-Capacitor-Burn-In.jpg
30:10 <Lemon> they look exactly like those on most of my stuff
30:20 <Lemon> 3456a's are a bit different but same kind anyway
30:38 <DHess_US> They have a perpendicular hole through the base to insert wire.
30:46 <Lemon> yep
30:55 <Lemon> thats why I just thought about getting wire
30:57 <DHess_US> I hate the shrouded jacks on modern instruments. They are so useless.
31:01 <Lemon> without any banana/spade
31:04 <Lemon> yes me too
31:14 <Lemon> theres just my keithley 175 with those gladly
31:19 <Lemon> I barely use it nowadays
31:39 <Lemon> every power supply I have got binding posts too
31:46 <Lemon> thats so much more convenient
32:23 <Lemon> hmmm dc null detectors seems to be hard to come by in europe
40:15 <rust_collector> I would order pizza
14:51 <Ysjoelfir> I just made nice burgers
15:13 <rust_collector> burgers...
15:22 <Lemon> I just saw a valhalla 2720GS
15:27 <Lemon> what a fucking beast
15:36 <Ysjoelfir> woah
15:38 <Ysjoelfir> I need it
15:42 <Ysjoelfir> I am looking for one for ages
15:46 <Lemon> 8 goddamn LM399AH, 1200V max with a resolution of 10nv...
15:55 <Lemon> seriously ? xd
16:18 <rust_collector> sounds like an electric guitar
17:07 <Ysjoelfir> its actually been used to calibrate many instruments
17:12 <Ysjoelfir> even fluke used it IIRC
17:25 <Lemon> they bought valhalla and crushed them I think
17:33 <Lemon> because they knew their stuff was superior
20:56 <Lemon> https://www.ebay.fr/itm/Agilent-11062-32101-KELVIN-CLIP/254205856764?hash=item3b2fd98bfc:g:nCYAAOSw3UZbAXq5
21:00 <Lemon> damn they look so cheap
22:03 <rust_collector> not as cheap looking as the yellow one
22:47 <Lemon> https://www.ebay.fr/itm/2x-Electric-Kelvin-Test-Clip-10-amp-BU-75K-Black-Gold-tip-contacts-Nylon-housing/323890288051?_trkparms=aid%3D1110004%26algo%3DSPLICE.COMP%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20200220094952%26meid%3D7f4afc6a58734ec7b6dce4edd88c273a%26pid%3D100008%26rk%3D5%26rkt%3D12%26sd%3D111105632071%26itm%3D323890288051%26pmt%3D1%26noa%3D0%26pg%3D2047675%26algv%3Ddefault%26brand%3DUnbranded&_trksid=p2047675.c100008.m2219
22:53 <Lemon> those copies look just as good
24:25 <Lemon> https://www.ebay.fr/itm/Hot-20V-4-Wires-Type-Microresistivity-128-5cm-Test-Lead-Cable-With-2-Kelvin-Clip/113704325756?hash=item1a794e527c:g:xOoAAOSwPM9cgOMC I have those
24:32 <Lemon> and honestly im quite impressed
24:59 <Lemon> they feel great, when clipped together it shows under 10uOhms or something like this
28:08 <Lemon> I'd still like to build myself a nice one
28:17 <Lemon> https://www.ebay.fr/itm/Furutech-FA-13S-shield-solid-Core-XLR-RCA-Power-Cable-2Meter/264367073434?hash=item3d8d81689a:g:HS8AAOSw8n5dCLhU
28:26 <Lemon> that type of cable should be nice, for DCV measurements
32:40 <Lemon> Ysjoelfir https://www.ebay.fr/itm/25m-2-Core-Shielded-Screened-Audio-Cable-PURE-COPPER-Microphone-Lead-Reel/311349362907?hash=item487dde40db:g:lhMAAOSw8w1X~hGT that would fit the bill for DCV measurements ?
32:54 <Lemon> not solid core but well seems to be hard to find
33:57 <rust_collector> they are breadboard thin
34:04 <Lemon> https://www.ebay.fr/itm/25m-Shielded-Microphone-Cable-PRO-2-Core-Twin-Audio-Screened-Pure-Copper-Mixer/332834975617?hash=item4d7e82af81:g:tuQAAOSwEJlbvOHb this one too
34:28 <Lemon> 0,22mm2
34:33 <rust_collector> oh, 7x
34:35 <rust_collector> ok
34:36 <Lemon> how much voltage/current can those take
34:44 <rust_collector> sounds reasonable.
35:51 <rust_collector> uuh, keep it at under mains voltage, is my opinion. and 0.83A
37:27 <Lemon> ho more than perfect then
37:40 <Lemon> its just to measure some Vrefs or under 50v stuff, at low currents
37:49 <rust_collector> I think the inner insulation might be a bit meh, but I dunno?
38:08 <Lemon> meh in which sense ?
38:12 <Lemon> not thick enough ?
38:57 <rust_collector> well, probably thick enough, but I think, from the pics, it is that stuff that almost fall off, if you stress it (physically)
39:09 <Lemon> ha yeah
39:16 <Lemon> well I guess I'll need to take care
39:20 <Lemon> im not set anyway
39:22 <rust_collector> if you put ends on, tied to the outer stuff, it is probably ok
39:34 <rust_collector> I dunno, it might be fine
41:01 <rust_collector> now, other people would probably not use those on mains voltage. That was just my opinion, from a pic on ebay
41:16 <Lemon> ofc not its too thin
41:33 <rust_collector> is it?
41:35 <Lemon> they are made to connect microphones
41:36 <Lemon> yeah
41:44 <Lemon> or maybe a low power thingie
42:18 <rust_collector> yes, low power, but... I think the insulation would survive on mains
42:29 <rust_collector> if you keep the cool, sort of
44:36 <rust_collector> I was not thinking of powering a panel heater. just measuring
44:38 <Lemon> yeah I wouldnt try honestyl
47:18 <rust_collector> something makes me want to do something with this arduino thing...
48:02 <rust_collector> maybe I should hack up that old keyboard, and steal those switches...
49:12 <Lemon> do it ! just, do it !
49:20 <Lemon> I might buy a new vape box
49:40 <rust_collector> I might go out in the car and take the vape thing inside
51:52 <Lemon> https://www.aromes-et-liquides.fr/mods-boxs-electroniques/10623-box-gen-par-vaporesso.html
51:55 <Lemon> this one looks nice
51:59 <rust_collector> it really is much nicer than the ones I used to have
52:05 <Lemon> I dont want no fancy touch screen
55:34 <Lemon> what vape thing do you have ?
55:46 <rust_collector> uuh,,,, yes?
56:18 <Ysjoelfir> lemon
56:32 <Lemon> yess
56:40 <Ysjoelfir> do you know cachou candies?
56:52 <Ysjoelfir> I heard those are from frenchistania
56:53 <Lemon> ho yes those tiny black thingies
57:01 <Lemon> they are yeah
57:08 <Lemon> I like the little yellow box
58:24 <Ysjoelfir> well.. today I found 3.5 kilos of them in our local (non consumer, its for professionals only) metro supermarket for 5€ xD
58:58 <Lemon> wtf xD
59:06 <Lemon> that is enough to last like
59:12 <Ysjoelfir> 2 days
59:13 <Lemon> 450 lifetimes
59:22 <Lemon> 2 days ?
59:29 <Ysjoelfir> well ok, maybe 3
59:29 <Lemon> have you tried one of them fuckers ?
59:33 <Ysjoelfir> sure
59:38 <Ysjoelfir> I love those
59:48 <Lemon> they carve your mouth if you take too many at once xd
59:54 <Ysjoelfir> true^^
00:00 <Lemon> long time I havent seen those !
00:07 <Lemon> they used to be everywhere
00:16 <rust_collector> Lemon, https://www.eleafworld.com/istick-pico-kit/
00:32 <Lemon> every goddamn elder would see you and say 'tu veux un cachouuuu ?'
00:34 <Lemon> xD
01:04 <Ysjoelfir> hey, I have the same, rusty!
01:09 <Lemon> looks neat :>
01:10 <Ysjoelfir> i think
01:13 <rust_collector> yeah, I don't
01:22 <rust_collector> I just happen to use it right now
01:24 <Lemon> https://www.lepetitvapoteur.com/fr/box-autonome-et-puissante/7036-box-gen-vaporesso.html Ysjoelfir
01:27 <Lemon> im tempted by this box
02:08 <Ysjoelfir> thats big, Lemon
02:13 <Ysjoelfir> rusty, no idea where mine is
02:23 <Lemon> hmmm around the one I have, just slightly larger
02:23 <Ysjoelfir> haven't used it for like... 2 years
04:10 <rust_collector> I used one of the little stick things between november and new year last year. this one is much nicer to use, but I am still messing with the settings, to figure out what I like
04:26 <Lemon> just crank it to the max rusty
04:30 <Lemon> thats what you need to remember
04:34 <Lemon> to the MAX
04:39 <rust_collector> uuh, no
05:01 <Lemon> well its only 75 watts but its already nice
05:19 <rust_collector> and I do not use that many watts either
05:34 <Lemon> I think you don't understand how it works
05:40 <Lemon> you got to use ALL the watts
05:44 <Lemon> all of them rusty
05:45 <rust_collector> oh really
06:16 <Lemon> you have to vape your brains out
06:30 <Lemon> and say every 10 minutes to your surroundings 'hey idk if I told you, but I vape'
06:54 <rust_collector> do I have to buy a subaru,. and have my hat on backwards?
07:09 <Lemon> yes but the hat not backwards, sideways
07:34 <Lemon> and paint the sub light green, blue is for losers
07:57 <Lemon> also put a bigass 'I VAPE' vinyl on the back
08:32 <rust_collector> fuck that, I want a turban, and a tata nano with neons
09:14 <Lemon> haa for that you have to get an invite, to the next level
09:32 <Lemon> you got to vape tons of watts until you can reach it
10:01 <Lemon> do you know that I have a RGB led bar thing on my ebike ?
10:04 <rust_collector> anyway, any more than 35, and this just says FSSSH and it just is not nice
10:06 <Lemon> thats to repel haters
10:19 <Lemon> yeah its not made for that
10:28 <Lemon> usually its good to vape at max half of what its capable
10:46 <Lemon> on mine, around 160 was already a tad hot for my taste
10:53 <Lemon> 120 is nice
11:17 <rust_collector> I do have to play around a bit with the air bleed, and the watts. we will see
11:38 <Lemon> usually wide open is the best for me, but some people like it restricted
11:58 <Lemon> but theres a way to use it too, like some prefer to hit the button, then vape it
12:10 <Lemon> and you dont have to suck that mofo all the way btw
12:17 <Lemon> thats how to drink the nice juice
12:38 <Lemon> a friend kept on drinking it I asked him how the fuck do you manage to
13:06 <Lemon> and I realized he was sucking it like it was his favourite football player
13:36 <rust_collector> hmmm, this one is about halfway open
13:40 <rust_collector> or closed
13:53 <rust_collector> seems to be about right
14:10 <Lemon> yeah just try wide open and close it more and more until you like it
15:53 <Lemon> but most of my friends realized that more watts is usually more pleasant
15:59 <Lemon> its not harsher by any means
16:10 <Lemon> its even softer, in comparison of those sitcks
20:28 <Lemon> hmmmm that vaporesso seems REALLY nice
20:33 <Lemon> from some reviews people love it
20:38 <Lemon> and I also love its looks/features
27:29 <rust_collector> hmm, now I do not remember which part of this stuff it is that makes it feel raspy
27:45 <Lemon> raspy ?
27:53 <rust_collector> glycol or glycerol
28:45 <rust_collector> yea, the part that makes it feel like you are swallowing a pot scrubber
30:03 <Lemon> vegetal glycerine is what makes vapor
30:09 <Lemon> PG is what makes the hit
30:40 <rust_collector> glycol is that then
30:52 <rust_collector> I want something with less of that
32:38 <rust_collector> hmm, let me have a look in...over there...
33:11 <Lemon> it will be harsher
33:29 <Lemon> 40%pg/60%vg is a good start
33:41 <Lemon> 3mg/ml of nicotine
33:50 <Lemon> if you dont vape nicotine
33:59 <Lemon> then try a 50/50 or whatever
34:02 <rust_collector> i do
34:35 <rust_collector> hmm, this one is 46/46/8 of water
34:50 <rust_collector> the one in the cupboard is pure 50/50
36:40 <rust_collector> I want less harsh. this only makes me do small puffs
37:15 <Lemon> ha ok so less PG more VG
37:26 <Lemon> and you want a wider air openning
37:29 <Lemon> also more watts
37:39 <Lemon> I vape some 20/80 usually
37:49 <Lemon> with 3mg theres enough hit, and thats cloudy af
38:00 <Lemon> much more satisfying trust me
38:18 <rust_collector> I do not need much hit
39:35 <rust_collector> I just need something to do, 90% of my smoking is just because I have nothing to do.
43:39 <Lemon> heh same for most of us I guess
43:43 <Lemon> but it wont be a big hit anyway
43:45 <Lemon> just enough
44:03 <Lemon> probably much less than now
44:11 <Lemon> with tons more of clouds
44:27 <Lemon> hmmm so that box is 41 eu ros delivered, thats tempting
44:54 <Lemon> that + a nice atto and you're set
44:57 <Lemon> its cheap nowadays
45:53 <Ysjoelfir> WHY must they have such stupid names for their liquids?
46:00 <Lemon> just be sure to get good 18650s
46:03 <Lemon> ha well
46:10 <Lemon> theres so many of them, gotta be inventive
46:24 <Lemon> 'twelve monkeys' do sound dumb yes
46:26 <rust_collector> I have 2.7 boxes of the liquid stuff I should throw out, lol
46:28 <Ysjoelfir> what is "Elephants dream" supposed to taste like? or "my woman"? I mean, i know how "my woman" tastes, but why would I have that taste also as a liquid?
46:44 <Lemon> lol my woman
47:08 <Ysjoelfir> they have also "police woman" and "creamy monkey"
47:09 <Ysjoelfir> wtf
47:19 <Ysjoelfir> I don't want to taste monkeys, let alone creamy ones
47:33 <Ysjoelfir> omfg
47:34 <Lemon> xd just focus on the label
47:44 <Ysjoelfir> wth is "Fathers milk V2" supposed to be!?
47:45 <Lemon> if you like those fruits etc
47:48 <Lemon> its probably good
47:55 <Lemon> not fathers milk v2 please NO
48:14 <Ysjoelfir> problem is.... there isn't anything written on those telling me how it tastes
48:14 <rust_collector> i would not mind smoking a cop. Oh, I mean.. I should not listen to old ice-t
48:21 <Ysjoelfir> xD
50:12 <Lemon> I think I bought some acidulate sweets, blueberry cheesecake and various red fruits
50:22 <Lemon> I took a bet on the blueberry cheesecake
50:29 <Lemon> but goddamn 8 euros for 50ml, it was a nice sale
50:39 <rust_collector> that sounds...
50:40 <Lemon> and its branded stuff not chinese noname
50:47 <rust_collector> not sure.
51:04 <Ysjoelfir> I just found the Wismec EXO Skeleton ES300. that thing looks pretty cool
51:04 <Lemon> well peeps seemed to like it quite a lot
51:07 <Lemon> so we'll see
51:33 <Lemon> looks kewl yeah
51:34 <rust_collector> I have developed a technique to scrape berries off my piece of cake
51:42 <Lemon> im getting the vaporesso box gen btw Ysjoelfir !
52:27 <Lemon> love the look, 41 euros delivered, and people love it too, I read many reviews, everything seems perfect
52:51 <rust_collector> looks like a battery with a fancy switch. have fun
53:03 <Lemon> thats what I want honestly
53:07 <Lemon> a good quality build
53:12 <Lemon> no fancy touchscreen shit
53:19 <Lemon> still a few nice features
53:25 <Lemon> its light enough
53:34 <rust_collector> how about a drill button, and some batteries
53:36 <Lemon> 220W, so 120 will be fine
53:45 <Lemon> thats called a 'mech mod' rusty
53:56 <Lemon> basically a button and batteries
54:03 <rust_collector> call it what you want
54:09 <Lemon> some people died but theres a huge community around them
54:30 <Lemon> its more made to use with drippers, those things where you build your own resistor
54:33 <rust_collector> people die... it happens, but then, they make new ones every day
55:14 <rust_collector> how in the world can you die from that anyway?
55:29 <Lemon> well you know those nice 18650 tend to explode when you do shit with them
55:50 <Lemon> and when they explode, h aving them near your face isnt the best
56:01 <Lemon> mech mods got no protections at all
56:13 <Lemon> so if you make a 0.05 ohm resistor
56:20 <Lemon> and use batteries with a 5amp max drain...
56:34 <rust_collector> well, I have never had anything happen to them, unless I stuff a nail thru them. but yea, I guess some people can manage
57:13 <rust_collector> yeah, I guess old laptop batteries would be a bad idea
57:27 <Ysjoelfir> so you said... VG makes the vape, PG makes you feel like you try to swallow a pot cleaner. I just found a bottle of 90% VG 10% PG. sounds great for me, who only wants to enjoy the vapors and the taste
57:47 <Lemon> yes thats what most people vape
58:08 <Lemon> the other kind of people vape osme 60-70% PG but lets not talk about them
58:14 <Ysjoelfir> why not use just glycerin?
58:20 <Ysjoelfir> is there a downside?
58:37 <Lemon> well some PG gives the hit
58:48 <Lemon> I do want some hit, I tried 100% VG but it felt meh
58:55 <Lemon> sure theres even more vapor
59:00 <Lemon> but idk it lacks something for me
59:06 <Lemon> but for you that doesnt smoke cigs
59:10 <Lemon> it could be pretty nice
00:07 <rust_collector> I roll my own, but I am not interested in that when I do something else, I guess.
00:15 <Ysjoelfir> I think I'll try that.
01:07 <rust_collector> I think I will try something closer to that than the 50/50 stuff
01:25 <Lemon> yeah if you want big clouds, just aim at 100-120 watts, wide open airflow, as much VG as you can
01:40 <Lemon> it wont be harsh at all, even softer
01:51 <Lemon> much softer than 50/50 or 60/40 stuff
02:15 <rust_collector> I do not care about clouds, I want something that feels right
02:37 <Lemon> for you rusty i''d just get the same as Ysjoelfir but with 3mg of nicotine
02:54 <Lemon> the hit will be nice and even if you dont chase clouds its much more satisfying
03:31 <rust_collector> a bit of clouding is nice, but not a priority, sort of
04:08 <Ysjoelfir> fascinating. now they even add freakin sweetener and/or caffeeine into those liquids?
04:23 <rust_collector> oooh
04:31 <rust_collector> coffeeeee
04:54 <rust_collector> sounds üppr
05:04 <rust_collector> maybe without the dots
05:34 <Lemon> you can even put research chemicals into them
05:50 <Lemon> but at that time I was simpluy smoking them
05:55 <Lemon> until I started to piss blood :>
06:10 <rust_collector> you can put drain cleaner and battery acid in them too, but that does not make it a good idea....
06:52 <Lemon> I love myself some battery acid from time to time
06:58 <Lemon> sharpen me up !
07:26 <rust_collector> I did not know you are a file
07:53 <Lemon> badum tssssss !
08:07 <rust_collector> very geeky
08:34 <rust_collector> I do need some acid. no, not your kind, lol
10:28 <rust_collector> I do need to tidy up some files
12:21 <Lemon> well I need to sleep
12:29 <Lemon> more stuff about vape later
12:34 <Lemon> see you bois have a g ood rest
13:01 <rust_collector> night good is for you mr sir
13:29 <Lemon> veri thanks mr man
13:43 <Lemon> I wish you a nice lasagna
14:05 <rust_collector> merry fish to you.
14:53 <rust_collector> Ysjoelfir, we have to make plans for nigel. I mean Lemon
15:07 <Ysjoelfir> absolutely
15:39 <rust_collector> he should be leaving any minute now
16:00 <rust_collector> .....
16:44 <Lemon> hello bois
16:51 <rust_collector> 
16:59 <Lemon> damn I feel refreshed, what a nice sleep
17:18 <Lemon> a solid 2 minutes and 38 seconds
17:23 <DHess_US> https://d2eehagpk5cl65.cloudfront.net/img/q60/uploads/2020/06/Screen-Shot-2020-06-03-at-8.23.17-AM1.png
18:07 <rust_collector> we have a part of the livingroom, that is still in christmas mode
18:20 <Ysjoelfir> XD
19:21 <rust_collector> I still wonder how many keys a mini keyboard would need
19:46 <rust_collector> music sort of thing, not confuser keyboard
23:27 <Ysjoelfir> no idea. I once had a keyboard but only managed to create noise.
25:11 <rust_collector> yeah, I am not very into making music, but I do want to make a little keyboard for mom.
28:46 <rust_collector> humm. i should look at what this midi stuff does.
34:08 <rust_collector> but, maybe not now. I should go see how those keys are stuck to the keyboard. so I can hack them off, and put them in a different kind of keyboard
37:28 <rust_collector> Lemon, how is your gbingpop between devices networking thing going?
37:44 <Lemon> ho I still havent got around but I should
37:56 <Lemon> I started to breadboard the barometer today
37:56 <rust_collector> yes you should
38:01 <rust_collector> oh-k
38:12 <Lemon> ok now Im really going to sleep
38:16 <Lemon> see you boi s
38:42 <rust_collector> .... we will seeeee
38:59 <rust_collector> see you we will
40:27 <rust_collector> well?
43:07 Quit: Lemon ([email protected]) Connection closed
50:55 <rust_collector> Ok, time to go. good night
06:00 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: Ok, enough. I tried not to fuel the politics on twitter, but it seems I have no choice but to respond. 1) Contacting and harassing my friends and causing them distress is NOT OK. Don't be that person. If you have a problem with me, contact me directly, I read all DM's and email.
10:01 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: 2) Not a single person out of this entire hate mob has contacted me directly and asked for clarification. Not one! I have contacted a few people involved in this directly & explained things & they thoughtfully understood, yet the tweets remain to fuel the fire unfortunately.
13:03 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: 3) The soldering iron tweet was just that, a fun tweet about a soldering iron with rubber feet sticking to a surface whist doing a repair, nothing more. No crude joke, no subtle political overtone. Honest. A certain other hashtag never even crossed my mind when I tweeted that.
16:21 Quit: Ysjoelfir ([email protected]) Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)
18:04 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: 4) I have since removed the tweet and replaced it without the hashtag, because I now understand how people could have misinterpreted that as meaning something else. If you thought it implied something else and it made you angry, I'm truly sorry about that, it wasn't intended.
22:06 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: 5) I have tweeted tech related "matter" hashtags for years without anyone batting an eyelid. This was just another one, albeit at an unfortunate time. It's interesting to note that this is a Twitter phenomenon. The exact same post on Instagram was met with zero hostility.
32:09 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: 6) That's it, I could say more but I won't. Twitter is just toxic. Please do not fuel hatred in the community, & again, do not contact my friends. Don't be that person. Contact me directly if you want clarification on something, because context is sorely lacking here. The end.
42:54 <Halcyon> Morning all
45:32 <Ampera> Hi Halcyon
45:34 <Ampera> how are you doing
49:15 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: 3) The soldering iron tweet was just that, a fun tweet about a soldering iron with rubber feet sticking to a surface whist doing a repair, nothing more. No crude joke, no subtle political overtone. Honest. A certain other hashtag never even crossed my mind when I tweeted that.
50:23 <Ampera> dave is tweeting a lot, this chat's gonna get flooded lickity split
50:28 <Halcyon> Meh, stupid assignment
50:40 <Halcyon> Ampera: Yeh he also posted a video at something like 5am this morning
50:47 <Ampera> call?
51:01 <Halcyon> I can't I have to finish this assignment, it's due today
51:11 <Ampera> alright, well I might take a nap in a bit
51:16 <Halcyon> Okies
52:16 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: 4) I have removed the tweet & replaced it without the hashtag so as not to fuel any hate. I now understand how people could have misinterpreted that as meaning something else. If you thought it implied something else & made you angry, I'm sorry to hear that, it wasn't intended.
53:16 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: 6) That's it, I could say more but I won't. Twitter is just toxic. Please do not fuel hatred in the community, & again, do not contact my friends. Don't be that person. Contact me directly if you want clarification on something, because context is sorely lacking here. The end.
55:17 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: 4) I have removed the tweet & replaced it without the hashtag so as not to fuel any hate. I now understand how people could have misinterpreted that as meaning something else. If you thought it implied something else & made you angry, I'm sorry to hear that, it wasn't intended.
56:32 <T3sl4> who does he think he is today, trump?
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57:18 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: 5) I have tweeted tech related "matter" hashtags for years without anyone batting an eyelid. This was just another one, albeit at an unfortunate time. It's interesting to note that this is a Twitter phenomenon. The exact same post on Instagram was met with zero hostility.
58:18 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: 6) That's it, I could say more but I won't. Twitter is just toxic. Please do not fuel hatred in the community, & again, do not contact my friends. Don't be that person. Contact me directly if you want clarification on something, because context is sorely lacking here. The end.
59:17 <Ampera> just so people know this isn't the EEVBot on the wonk, Dave is actually tweeting these, over and over
59:18 <Ampera> for some reason
59:33 <T3sl4> o.O
59:45 <T3sl4> i was gonna ask, but there you go
12:35 <Halcyon> Maybe he has lost the plot
37:28 <Halcyon> Does anyone want to write a short literary review for me on Security of Embedded Firmware?
52:56 <ThunderSqueak> hello there
53:03 * ThunderSqueak is beading
13:08 * T3sl4 is hugging
13:13 <T3sl4> ThunderSqueak :)
14:52 <ThunderSqueak> hi :D
18:15 <Halcyon> Hey ThunderSqueak, ThunderSqueak
18:18 <Halcyon> I mean T3sl4
19:02 <T3sl4> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2AC41dglnM you've been... ThunderSqueaked
19:55 <Halcyon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFr9Z9vVcXI
21:13 <T3sl4> :D
21:30 <Halcyon> Squeeee squee squee squee
31:00 <T3sl4> been a good haul of cat pictures today https://imgur.com/gallery/LX7z870
31:27 <T3sl4> https://imgur.com/gallery/qqKRSYG
31:53 <Halcyon> Stupid cats
33:48 <Halcyon> Heheh cute: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8xJtH6UcQY
40:19 <ThunderSqueak> hi there
40:32 <ThunderSqueak> sorry, busy making a birthday gift for my wife
40:34 <ThunderSqueak> :>
40:38 <ThunderSqueak> so not super responsive
43:58 <Ampera> hi Halcyon
44:02 <Ampera> call?
44:23 <Halcyon> Hey, but later? Still writing :P I've been distracted by Guinea Pigs
44:27 <Halcyon> *bit
45:02 <Ampera> sure
45:20 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: Iron rich rock by the looks of it. https://t.co/Z7IcuTb9Yp
46:25 <Ampera> ThunderSqueak, that sounds adorable, tell your wife I wished her a happy birthday
02:15 <ThunderSqueak> ok
05:30 <ThunderSqueak> Ampera, the design I am working on for her, symbol of one of her fav bands
05:34 <ThunderSqueak> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/610224874023026688/718957783541612694/image0.jpg
07:02 <Ampera> ThunderSqueak, what band is that
07:27 <Ampera> also is that some sort of bead knit you're doing?
09:00 <ThunderSqueak> sopor aeternus
09:19 <ThunderSqueak> I am working on a bead loom
09:31 <Ampera> looked it up and that's an interesting description of genre
09:42 <Ampera> Neoclassical dark wave, dark folk, neo-medieval, gothic rock
11:07 <ThunderSqueak> progress so far https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/610224874023026688/719040621033029683/image0.jpg
11:23 <Ampera> ah yeah that's what I thought of by bead knit
11:29 <Ampera> beautiful
12:00 <ThunderSqueak> thanks
12:28 <ThunderSqueak> I need to stop though for a bit I think, vision issues (migraine)
12:40 <Ampera> oh those suck, not that I've ever had one
12:48 <Ampera> chemistry teacher in the one semester of college I took got them all the time
12:57 <Ampera> poor guy, ended up not being able to really keep up with the class
13:09 <Ampera> but that's partially because the school slammed teachers too hard with too many classes
13:48 <Halcyon> 2000 more words to go
14:04 <Ampera> you're a sad beast Halcyon
14:12 <Halcyon> I know :(
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15:02 <ThunderSqueak> and these beads are 1mm-2mm so yeah, need good vision :/
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17:30 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: Scribbly gum https://t.co/bjcNLIzWUF
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29:36 <steve30> o/
29:52 <Ampera> hi steve30
41:13 <Ampera> how goes your paper, Halcyon
41:54 <Halcyon> Meh
41:59 <Halcyon> I'm just writing any old crap now
42:08 <Ampera> when is it due (today)
43:04 <Halcyon> Yeh it's due by midnight. I'm sure as hell not going to be working on it all night. I want it done in the next hour or so.
43:24 <Ampera> buh
43:49 <Ampera> I wish I could take a day off work on monday, but we release this week, so I can't go AWOL then
44:08 * steve30 curls up on Halcyon's desk
44:21 <Ampera> maybe I'll do next monday
44:34 <Halcyon> It's public holiday here tomorrow. YAY
44:38 <Halcyon> Hey Steve :)
44:48 * T3sl4 scritches steve30
45:02 <steve30> *purr*
51:32 <Halcyon> steve30: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbHhw9pFa0Q
52:15 <T3sl4> cat's very "not sure if like"
53:29 <steve30> hehe
54:23 * steve30 meows at Jerry
17:30 * Ampera sneezes at Halcyon 
17:47 <Halcyon> :D
18:06 <Ampera> you nearly done?
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21:58 <Halcyon> Nearly, just writing my conclusion now
22:17 <Ampera> good, and next time don't write the assignment the day it's due :P
22:33 <Halcyon> No :P
30:03 <steve30> Ampera, he's been busy daydreaming about David2
30:29 <Ampera> steve30, you two are pretty icky, ya know that?
31:01 <steve30> hehe
31:15 <Halcyon> :P
31:27 <Halcyon> I would date him in a heartbeat
32:12 <Ampera> Halcyon, I didn't know you were a polygamist
32:35 <Halcyon> I'm not, but I can still dream :P
32:44 <Halcyon> I have absolutely no chance with him
32:50 <steve30> so Halcyon, who's cutest, T3sl4 or David2?
32:52 <Ampera> is he even gay?
34:38 <Halcyon> Nah I don't think so
34:59 <Halcyon> Hmmm, T3sl4 has facial hair doesn't he?
35:06 <Ampera> gotta love the two people hanging around open source projects that act like a captain with pants the size of his ship
35:16 <Halcyon> ?
35:37 <Ampera> some panic's gone around with the pinephone on the pine64 discord that there's hardware issues with some USB modes on the USB-C port
36:05 <Ampera> but it's a whiff of a rumor from people who may or may not know for sure, and you got people acting like they invented the damn thing causing a ruckus
40:12 <Halcyon> Heh
47:51 * T3sl4 shaves Halcyon like a yak
48:07 <Halcyon> ?
48:28 <Halcyon> How would I end up like a yak if you shave me?>
49:24 <Ampera> Halcyon, shut up you bald ass bitch
49:50 <Halcyon> :P
49:57 * T3sl4 yakshaves Ampera too
50:05 <Ampera> Halcyon, are you done with that damn paper :P
52:11 <Halcyon> Fucking nearly
05:13 <T3sl4> steve30: https://imgur.com/gallery/Ev6gTMY
06:13 <steve30> kitties :D
11:44 * Ampera yawns at Halcyon 
12:10 <T3sl4> Halcyon: https://imgur.com/gallery/uqYqxiC
18:44 <Halcyon> Submitted! Woot!
19:00 <Halcyon> It's going to suck, but as long as I get a pass, I don't care
19:25 <steve30> yay
19:35 <steve30> Now you can go and make out with David2 for real :D
19:48 <Halcyon> Hahah
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27:15 <Ampera> Halcyon, call?
27:39 <Halcyon> Soon, just got to finish one more thing then have a shower
28:28 <Halcyon> Give me like 30 mins
36:24 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Retweet: Gizmo ザ・ギズモ: @eevblog https://t.co/NczrrMHYWn
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56:08 * Ampera projectile sneezes at Halcyon 
56:19 * Halcyon wipes it on Ampera
57:49 <Halcyon> OK, I'm going to go shower, then I'll call you
58:34 <T3sl4> steve30 when he checks for a package delivery https://i.redd.it/hy8y6sc1hd351.png
59:24 <steve30> Has the cat stolen that house from the mouse?
16:51 <Halcyon> Hehe big kitty
55:06 <T3sl4> https://www.reddit.com/r/AnimalTextGifs/comments/gxvz11/this_game_is_impawsible/
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38:51 * Halcyon paws at steve30 
39:24 * steve30 cuddles Halcyon 
39:31 <Halcyon> :D
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58:42 <Halcyon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwGoi-o1BZo
58:50 <Halcyon> That's kind of neat but also useless at the same time
59:50 <Ysjoelfir> whats that?^^
00:22 <Halcyon> A shell that makes Windows 3.1 look like XP... kind of
00:30 <Ysjoelfir> lol
00:44 <Ysjoelfir> thats indeed neat but pretty useless
01:05 <Halcyon> :P
01:52 <Ysjoelfir> I enjoyed my uncles whatsapp status today. "On the first date - she: "I'm a model in instagram. I'm an influencer and like to take photos!" - he: "Coll! I can't anything either!"" :D
02:38 <Halcyon> Fucking "influencers"
02:41 <Ysjoelfir> *can't do
02:50 <Halcyon> When are people going to realise that it's not a real job
02:56 <Ysjoelfir> well....
03:10 <Halcyon> Fuck the world is getting stupider by the generation
03:17 <Ysjoelfir> as long as they keep getting money for doing nothing... I doubt they will realise ever
03:56 <Halcyon> So do dole bludgers, does that make unemployment a job?
06:04 <Ysjoelfir> nope. but those tend to be a tad more intelligent
06:26 <Halcyon> Hahaha true
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46:52 <ThunderSqueak> and done... made it into a bookmark with the option to be a braceelet https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/610224874023026688/719125127010320454/image0.jpg
47:08 <steve30> What does an 'instagram influencer' actually do?
47:11 <Ysjoelfir> thats cute! how did you made it?
47:22 <Ysjoelfir> steve30 - erm... taking pics of shit and posting that?
47:36 <ThunderSqueak> I made it using glass beads and a beading loom
47:52 <ThunderSqueak> and lots and lots of weaving
48:25 <Ysjoelfir> it must have been a PITA to do I immagine?
48:27 <ThunderSqueak> ok, it is 2am, now time to sleap
48:36 <Ysjoelfir> have a good night :)
48:37 <ThunderSqueak> my wife birthday is next week
48:51 <ThunderSqueak> it is a gift for her, the symbol is for her fav band
49:01 <ThunderSqueak> anyway, night
49:02 <Ysjoelfir> aww :) I'm sure she will love it
49:09 <Ysjoelfir> nighty squeaky!
49:19 Quit: ThunderSqueak ([email protected]) Quit: Leaving
53:30 <Lemon> waddup p33ps
54:46 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Retweet: Mend It, Australia: @eevblog Hi Dave! Can you help us to convince the Federal government that we need right to repair legislation by signing and promoting to your followers @TheBower34's petition, please? https://t.co/ndbvc4yok9 #AURightToRepair #rightTorepair #petition https://t.co/WuomJuVs6s
55:25 <Lemon> I think people miss the point
55:41 <Lemon> repairing shit isnt a good way for them to make money
55:51 <Lemon> its better to just sell new stuff
55:57 <Lemon> why would they accept that
57:51 <steve30> Halcyon, this was always a favourite of mine: http://www.gaby.de/win3x/screens/xpreal.gif
00:21 <Halcyon> hah
01:44 <Halcyon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkOlFqqAm-k
01:59 <Halcyon> That is so cool, landing and taking off Melbourne Intl. airport in a tiny little plane
02:16 <Halcyon> It would never happen without COVID
04:05 <Ysjoelfir> is it realy that impossible to land anything small there?
04:24 <Halcyon> With normal air traffic, yep, probably
04:32 <Halcyon> Same as Sydney, the slots are so tight
04:38 <Ysjoelfir> damn :D
05:23 <Halcyon> They wouldn't normally allow small private planes like that buzzing around
09:39 <Ysjoelfir> I assume it could be a security risk
12:49 <steve30> cool
13:15 <steve30> I went on a "date" with an aeroplane pilot once
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21:36 <Halcyon> "date" ?
21:42 <Halcyon> So you banged him?
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22:14 <Halcyon> Welcome back Lemomn
22:16 <Halcyon> Lemon
22:25 <Lemon> aye waddup !
22:47 <steve30> nah, we just went for coffee. I'm sure he would have had sex given the opportunity.
22:56 <Halcyon> Wasn't your type Stebe?
23:12 <steve30> Well, he was 55, and I don't tend to like older guys in that way
23:19 <Halcyon> Now much Lemon, just had a shower, finished 2.5 uni assignments in 3 days, now just relaxing with a beverage. How about you?
23:26 <Halcyon> Ew, yeh too old
23:51 <Lemon> hehe neat ! ho just waking up, watching a video of wolfenstein walktrough
23:51 <Halcyon> steve30: I was wondering, while I was in the shower, do you have one of those electrical hot water boxes in your shower? Or do you use gas?
24:41 <steve30> He was in his uniform and looked very smart. I took him in our town's church as he was interested to see the organ. He certainly got some attention from a couple of the old ladies in the church.
26:11 <steve30> we have a combi boiler supplying all our hot water
26:18 <coppice> Halcyon: we have an electric shower heater in one of our bathrooms, and use gas heated water in the other one
26:40 <coppice> the snag with combi boilers is they don't support 2 showers very well
26:59 <Halcyon> Oh Ysjoelfir: Also that guy did a follow-up video. It cost him $366.55 to land at Melbourne
27:02 <steve30> We only have one bathroom
27:16 <Halcyon> What's a combi boiler?
27:25 <steve30> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combi_boiler
28:12 <steve30> Basically a gas boiler that takes cold water in from the mains, heats it up, and fires it out straight to your taps/shower
28:17 <coppice> Halcyon: a combi boiler provides central heating, but when you turn on a hot tap it suddenly pumps huge energy into the hot water circuit. When you turn off the tap it goes back to central heating
28:20 <steve30> And also does central heating.
28:28 <Halcyon> Ahh
28:48 <Halcyon> Is it like a closed loop water heating thing?
28:56 <Halcyon> (For the room heaters)
29:14 <steve30> the central heating is closed loop, but not the hot water
29:24 <coppice> yeah. a central boiler, and a hot water circuit through all the radiators
29:30 <Halcyon> Right
29:42 <Halcyon> It's a odd thought to have 230v in the shower
29:54 <Halcyon> We use gas hot water here
30:37 <steve30> Most people I know have showers fed from the gas powered hot water. I'm not sure why electric showers are so common
30:51 <coppice> I'm not clear why those things developed as boxes inside the shower cubicle, rather than being outside. it probably comes down to quick and easy installation
31:17 <Halcyon> Big Clive seems to feature them a bit. I've never seen one in person
31:30 <steve30> My Grandparents have an electric shower in their downstairs bathroom. I guess that could be because when they built it, there were several people living their, and the water tank might not have been able to supply two showers
32:26 <coppice> steve30: electric showers were extremely popular when most homes had a hot water tank. Electric showers offered instant operation. Now they might be driven by people with multiple bathrooms, which is far more common that it was when I was young. Combi boilers don't handle those well
33:45 <Halcyon> Fair enough
33:45 <coppice> steve30: UK electric showers have always sucked in the coldest parts of winter, as they just aren't powerful enough. In Germany every home has 3 phase, and 22kW 3 phase shower heaters are common. Those give you a good flow, even in the worst of winter
34:30 <steve30> My ex boyfriend had an electric shower. I didn't like it. Although that wasn't helped by the fact that I couldn't figure out how to use it properly.
34:50 <Ysjoelfir> Halcyon - wtf, it costs money to... land a plane? Oo
35:07 <Halcyon> Ysjoelfir: Yeh most (all?) airports have landing fees
35:10 <coppice> Ysjoelfir: do you think airfields operate for free?
35:28 <Halcyon> It costs more if you use their services, like security etc...
35:48 <steve30> He did have central hot water, but I'm guessing that came from an immersion, as his central heating was a coal fired back boiler :D
36:23 <coppice> or power. at some airports you will hear the APUs in planes operating all the time, because the airfield/airport charges so much for ground power
37:09 <Halcyon> If you're interested in reading, this is what it costs to land in Sydney: https://assets.ctfassets.net/v228i5y5k0x4/6gUwF99XSoOiOceycCGYqw/46997abfb6688bf11ffda26af70b33f2/Airline_Customers_Variation_of_Aeronautical_Charges_1_January_2017.pdf
37:13 <Ysjoelfir> no, sure not, but I didn't immagine that landing costs, coppice. I would understand that starting would cost you money, but... well... "damn, I have an emergency, I need to land ASAP!" - well, do you want to land here or on that highway over there? the highway is free, our airport charges 266.83 per emergency landing. - "I take the highway.
37:30 <Halcyon> They base it off the weight of the aircraft, whether it's commercial or general flying etc...
37:50 <Halcyon> They even charge for parking, just like cars
38:15 <Halcyon> However, unlike cars, they charge by the minute
38:42 <coppice> Ysjoelfir: you are going to pay landing fees whether you land in the expected place, or some other emergency place
39:27 <coppice> Halcyon: they charge a lot of parking at a sky bridge. That's why you have to climb stair with most budget airlines
39:46 <Halcyon> True
40:09 <Halcyon> I mean I guess it's not *that* expensive. I honestly expected more
40:22 <Halcyon> But yeh it can be pricey for a private operator just doing a flight for shits and giggles
40:39 <coppice> and budget airlines tend to use the less convenient airports, because their fees have to be lower
41:12 <Halcyon> Sydney only has 1 international airport (a second is being built). Most interstate flights leave from there.
41:25 <Halcyon> We do have regional airports but it's mostly for intra-state travel
41:42 <steve30> The aeroplane pilot was telling me that one of his hookups hoped he might be able to conveniently fly him to Heathrow airport. He said you wouldn't even be able to get a slot in which to land there.
41:53 <coppice> having multiple airports in a city really messes up connecting flights
42:05 <Halcyon> Oh actually Bankstown airport (near Sydney) does interstate as well. Huh, there you go.
42:57 <Halcyon> steve30: Yeh well that's the other thing I was mentioning before. He was able to do that flight to/from Melbourne because it's so quiet. Normally, he would have no hope.
43:12 <Halcyon> They run to such a tight schedule, if you miss your slot, too bad.
44:44 <steve30> He did assure me that most male cabin crew are gay
44:54 <coppice> timing the takeoffs and landings at a really busy airport is interesting. The variability in the gaps can be really small
45:08 <coppice> steve30: did that need to be said?
45:15 <steve30> not really :p
46:29 <Halcyon> steve30: That's like saying most hairdressers (not barbers) are gay
49:54 <steve30> on that subject, have you had a twink massage lately?
51:12 <Halcyon> Last weekend
51:17 <Halcyon> I have a haircut every two weeks
51:43 <Lemon> haircut ? pff
51:44 <Halcyon> Actually, speaking of haircuts, I was having this debate at work... some of my collegues were shocked at how much I spend, but I don't think it
51:47 <Halcyon> s that bad.
51:48 <Lemon> real man never get haircuts
52:05 <Halcyon> Lemon: I mostly go for the good coffee and head massages.
52:11 <steve30> How much /do/ you spend?
52:11 <Lemon> in 27 years, Ive been like 5 times to a hmm how do you call it
52:17 <Lemon> haircut man ? barber ?
52:26 <Halcyon> AUD$60 each time (so $120 per month)
52:42 <Lemon> well I spend all my money on outdated test gear
52:44 <steve30> ouch
52:47 <Lemon> so you know who am I to judge xd
52:48 <Halcyon> I mean it's certainly not the cheapest, but it's not too bad.
52:56 <Halcyon> :P
53:08 <steve30> That's kind of money I'd expect ladies to spend
53:10 <coppice> Halcyon: you are a rich man
53:17 <Halcyon> Hardly
53:18 <Ysjoelfir> but: halcyons hair always looks great :)
53:34 <Halcyon> Ysjoelfir: That's true. I never leave the house without nice hair
54:02 <coppice> Halcyon: if you can spend that much on haircuts you definitely have a large disposable income
54:28 <Halcyon> I do alright, but I wouldn't say it's large (my income that is) ;-)
54:41 <Ysjoelfir> xD
55:00 <coppice> Halcyon: maybe if you didn't spend $120 a month on haircuts your income would go further
55:26 * steve30 has spent £0 on haircuts this year
55:32 <Lemon> well 120 bucks a month isnt much
55:42 <Lemon> most people spend triple that on clubs, cigs, whatever
55:49 <Lemon> maybe he got no other hobbies ?
55:54 <Halcyon> Exactly Lemon
56:06 <Halcyon> I don't smoke or and rarely buy takeout food
56:14 <Lemon> thats exactly like me, I spend a lot on hobbies
56:22 <Lemon> but I dont go out, I eat at home everyday
56:28 <Lemon> I dont do drugs anymore
56:32 <Lemon> no clubs etc
56:32 <Halcyon> Hah anymore
56:34 <coppice> I have spent £12 this year on haircuts. One visit, before the dystopian nightmare struck down civilised society.
56:42 <Lemon> yeah I used to spend around 1k euros per month
56:44 <Lemon> if not more
56:50 <Halcyon> Ouch!
56:59 <Lemon> I spent 0 bucks on haircuts this decade I think
57:08 <steve30> I spent £14 on my prescription tablets last month. Probably be the same this month too.
57:20 <steve30> Of course I don't do illegal drugs
57:23 <Lemon> hah gladly my methadone is free here
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59:45 <steve30> I was hoping my current pack of Naproxen tablets would last me till next month, but I've a feeling it won't. I've used quite a lot as my hip has been a pain lately.
04:02 <rust_collector> moooor ning
04:09 <Lemon> hello vape god
04:22 <Halcyon> Hey rusticles
04:23 <rust_collector> Just god, thanks
04:59 <rust_collector> hmm, hair and drugs, eh?
05:08 <Lemon> found a nice priced subaru yet ?
05:20 <Halcyon> Oh gawd, why a Subaru ?
05:20 <rust_collector> there is no such thing
05:31 <Lemon> because he's the vape god !
05:36 <rust_collector> because it goes well with my vaping
05:50 <Lemon> runnin around in his sub, hat's sideway
05:50 <Halcyon> Because you're a douchebag?
05:54 <Lemon> chasin clouds
05:56 <Halcyon> Subaru's are garbage
05:59 <rust_collector> yeh
06:04 <Lemon> pffrttt
06:04 * steve30 wonders if Halcyon wants to give him a hip massage
06:10 <coppice> Halcyon: better than getting a HOlden
06:11 <Halcyon> Always Steve
06:12 <Lemon> they are a gift of the vape god himself
06:21 <Halcyon> coppice, agreed, Holden's are shit too
06:42 <coppice> what's so bad about Subaru?
06:43 <Halcyon> Tinny, plasticy, fuel guzzling shit heaps
06:53 <Lemon> ever drove one ?
06:56 <rust_collector> they are good, just a bit thirsty
06:57 <Lemon> they are good car man
07:00 <Lemon> tacky but good cars
07:05 <Lemon> really funny to drive
07:18 <rust_collector> except the boring ones
07:18 <Lemon> but I admit, you either love or hate the look
07:21 <coppice> I've had a few rental Subarus in the US. They seemed OK
07:24 <Halcyon> coppice: Apart from the people who drive them? The modern ones I find are just really ordinary. The fit and finish just feels cheap, the performance is garbage, electrical issues (constantly blowing lights)
07:28 <Lemon> ha yeah im talking about good subarus
07:36 <Lemon> the good ol wrx
07:47 <Lemon> the 240hp one
07:57 * steve30 passes Halcyon a paw
08:02 * Ysjoelfir is still happy about his volvo
08:10 <Lemon> yeah volvos man
08:12 <Halcyon> Likewise
08:16 <Lemon> I want a s80 v8
08:26 <Halcyon> Oh yeh
08:40 <Lemon> I miss my 850 t5 :(
08:44 <coppice> Halcyon: the fit and finish in most cheap cars is pretty nasty. reviewers always complain about scratchy plastics, but that's the good choice. At least those are hard wearing
08:46 <Lemon> she gave her life for mine
08:48 <rust_collector> why do you want an unbalanced... never mind
09:35 <Halcyon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPjynWuEEsM
09:46 <Halcyon> I love the shape of the rear of those
10:16 <coppice> Those Yamaha V8s are nice
11:06 <steve30> This car talk just reminded me of the Proton that we had in the late 90s. Don't see many of those around now.
11:19 <Halcyon> Oh I remember those
11:22 <coppice> steve30: you do in Malaysia
11:34 <Halcyon> The Proton Jumbuck was a ridiculous looking car.
11:46 <coppice> Who owns Proton now? I think its ones of the Chinese companies
12:01 <Halcyon> No idea, they just died. I haven't seen one for a very long time.
12:03 <rust_collector> I never saw a proton, but I remember they were popular in the magazines from england
12:45 <coppice> I've driven a Proton in Malaysia. It was a lot better than I was expecting, but I probably wasn't expecting a whole lot
14:30 <Halcyon> I want to drive a Tata Nano, just so I can say I've done it.
14:36 <Halcyon> Those things are death traps
14:57 <coppice> I've been in Nano, but I've never driven a car in India
15:23 <Halcyon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUdKf0FQgEg
16:53 <coppice> Most cars in India are really small, with limited ground clearance. However, most of their roads are awful, so limited clearance is a serious problem
17:18 <Lemon> thats it im buying that vaporesso box gen
17:27 <Halcyon> The Nano has a reasonably high ride height. However, they also roll way too easily
17:53 <rust_collector> if the roads are crap enough, you will be going slow
17:59 <coppice> in India you seldom get a car going fast enough to worry about rolling
18:54 <coppice> The Nano was a bit sad. It has some serious problems, but they seemed fixable with a rework of the design. Instead of that it just faded away
21:22 <Ysjoelfir> so has anyone any experience with projeqtor?
22:04 <rust_collector> something qt? no
22:34 <Ysjoelfir> no idea what qt is
23:12 <rust_collector> ok, what is that other thing you was asking about then?
23:51 <steve30> Our was one like this: https://www.flickr.com/photos/motorcycledealer79/33941176665/
23:56 <steve30> Our was H reg though
24:27 <Lemon> rust_collector I think the vape gods are pleased, vaporesso box gen 220w and tfv16, + various juices on the way
24:36 <Lemon> I miss the subaru now
25:06 <rust_collector> oh yes, the proton was old mitsu things.
25:19 <Ysjoelfir> rust_collector - https://www.projeqtor.org/en/
25:38 <rust_collector> yes, I saw, no, no idea, but I am pretty sure it it qt
27:45 <rust_collector> heh, a model x without a trailer hitch. that is interesting
32:43 <Halcyon> You know what's sad? It sounds like rain outside, so rather than just looking out the window, I opened up the weather radar in my browser.
33:10 <rust_collector> yep
33:14 <rust_collector> that is sad
33:23 <Halcyon> I'm slightly ashamed of myself
33:30 <rust_collector> good good
33:45 <rust_collector> well, just go look out the window twice?
35:08 * steve30 wonders what to have for dinner
35:28 <Halcyon> Pie
35:57 <rust_collector> horse steak
40:27 <Halcyon> Goat burgers
43:15 <Halcyon> steve30: That's a sweet ad: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TBd-UCwVAY
43:23 <Halcyon> Although I never remembered seeing it on TV here
45:23 <steve30> I see very few TV ads these days
45:41 <steve30> I fast forward through most of them
46:32 <steve30> There's me thinking homosexuality was a good excuse to avoid marriage
48:11 <Halcyon> I don't care about marriage personally, but I'd like people to have the choice.
50:07 <rust_collector> yes, but what kind of marriage? I think it is a bit weird that if the church things you should not exist, that they have to marry you anyway.
50:58 <Halcyon> That's OK, I wish the church didn't exist :P
51:06 <Halcyon> Even Steven
52:48 <rust_collector> I agree, but still. If marriage is going to an office and signing papers, I do not see a problem with that
53:17 <Halcyon> It's more than that. For most Australian's it doesn't involve church at all
53:29 <Halcyon> It's basically an excuse to throw a huge party :P
53:33 <rust_collector> sure
53:45 <Lemon> marriage is about giving yourself to your significant other, while she gives herself to you
53:51 <Lemon> its the strongest bond possible
54:00 <Lemon> but nowadays its just about renting a mercedes and partying
54:08 <Lemon> we lost it
54:14 <steve30> We originally had Civil partnerships here for gays, which I quite liked the idea of
54:27 <Halcyon> I don't think I'll ever get married
54:33 <Halcyon> I have better things to spend money on
54:45 <steve30> I'm still a bit too much of a traditionalist to fully support gay marriage
54:45 <Lemon> it doesnt need to cost much
54:53 <rust_collector> I was married in an office. it was cheap, lol
54:54 <Halcyon> I know it doesn't *need* to
55:19 <Lemon> it shouldnt
55:25 <rust_collector> if mominlaw did not see the paper on the piano, no one would even know
56:20 <Halcyon> Aw I want a piano
56:30 <rust_collector> come get it, I don't want the thing
57:27 <rust_collector> it is slightly overkill as a bench to have the printer and a lamp on
57:28 <coppice> They should never have legalised gay marriage
57:38 <coppice> The right move was to end all marriage
57:38 <Halcyon> Hehe you're so classy rust_collector
57:52 <Lemon> why end all marriage ?
57:55 <Halcyon> coppice, I'd have been happy with that too :P
58:09 <Lemon> its a beautiful thing, modern ear ruined it
58:12 <Lemon> era
58:22 <Lemon> now its all about vanity
58:33 <coppice> Lemon: if you need a legal contract to keep you together, the relationship is screwed
58:33 <Lemon> people get married after 3 months being with each other
58:36 <steve30> Halcyon, how is Mark?
58:38 <Lemon> get divorced in one year
58:47 <Lemon> its not about that coppice, not at all
58:55 <Lemon> its not about needing anything
58:57 <Halcyon> He's alright, he is on the couch binge watching The Good Place
59:52 <rust_collector> well, up here, if you live together for... I think 3 years, you are legally partners anyway, so if you get married or not does not really matter, you still get all the problems and benefits of it
00:14 <coppice> The Good Place is pretty good, and they had the good sense to draw it to a conclusion at about the right time
02:14 <Halcyon> I haven't seen it all yet
02:33 <coppice> spoiler: it reaches a conclusion
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21:32 <Lemon> hmm I still need to find some nice 2 solid core OFC / PTFE insulated shielded cable
29:06 * Ysjoelfir made bubble tea. or something simmilar
29:33 <coppice> showing solidarity with the Taiwanese people?
29:39 <rust_collector> soda streaming things is awesome
30:21 <Ysjoelfir> is something happening there, coppice, for that I would need to be solidaric?
30:43 <Ysjoelfir> rusty - I have something WAY better than that
30:57 <Lemon> hooo I remember buying it when it just came out
30:59 <rust_collector> aah, dynamite
31:01 <Lemon> but I never really appreciated it
31:06 <Ysjoelfir> nah.
31:10 <Ysjoelfir> its called a Minipom
31:11 <coppice> Ysjoelfir: the Chinese government have been making very concerning comments about the violent reunification of China.... as if they were ever united to begin with
31:25 <Ysjoelfir> oh, ok.
32:38 <coppice> bubble tea has become a rather odd cultural export
34:04 <Ysjoelfir> I like it, but I nearly never get it as its expensive as fuck and only available in very few places around here
34:16 <Ysjoelfir> also its basically like 10.000.000 kcals per serving
34:23 <Ysjoelfir> one serving being a quarter cup
35:09 <Lemon> Ysjoelfir do you think for 4 wire resistor it could be good ? https://www.ebay.fr/itm/Wire-USB-2-0-1x2x0-14mm2-1x2x0-22mm2-stranded-OFC-shielded-5-m/163530034765?hash=item2613264e4d:g:UeYAAOSws29b7sJD but maybe pure copper
35:19 <Lemon> this one seems tinned
35:46 <Ysjoelfir> could be useable I guess
35:58 <Lemon> https://www.ebay.fr/itm/Microphone-Cable-Shielded-Balanced-2-core-20-0-12-mm-Pro-Power-Professional/124137056776?_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20140423084956%26meid%3D65ceca2646464ec8ba1ffa0b2737689d%26pid%3D100033%26rk%3D7%26rkt%3D8%26sd%3D163530034765%26itm%3D124137056776%26pmt%3D0%26noa%3D1%26pg%3D2045573%26brand%3DPRO&_trksid=p2045573.c100033.m2042 and this one for DCV
36:09 <Lemon> think I can get much better than that ?
43:19 <Ysjoelfir> looks pretty good I think?
46:16 <coppice> the problem with buying microphone cable is you don't find how microphonic it is until after you've paid
47:14 <Lemon> how its to measure stuff
47:20 <Lemon> mainly low DC voltages
47:27 <Lemon> and 4 cores for resistance measurements
47:42 <Lemon> OFC copper, shielded should be perfect
47:56 <Lemon> I wont put spades/banana, just tie them directly to banana posts
48:04 <Lemon> that way, thermal emf will be at minimum
48:20 <rust_collector> tie to banana posts
49:09 <Lemon> 20 meters for 30 euros is cheap
49:33 <coppice> cable is damned expensive these days
49:53 <Lemon> https://www.ebay.fr/itm/4-Core-Individually-Screened-Audio-Cable-4-x-7-0-1mm/123830818576?hash=item1cd4e45710:m:mf55v-tr0nsc82wixrBFJnA Ysjoelfir sounds nice for resistance ?
51:21 <Ysjoelfir> thats cute. looks interesting, even for non metrology stuff
51:38 <Lemon> I mean, what could be better than that ?
51:57 <Lemon> anyway lets not forget im using 6.5 digits dmms
52:10 <Lemon> I'll probably wont be able to measure such a low voltage
52:12 <Lemon> if any
52:44 <Ysjoelfir> So, I just noticed that my new router is capable of input voltages of 12 to 57 volts. I think I'll measure its internal PSUs efficiency on that range to see when its the most efficient.
54:15 <coppice> sounds very PoE compatible
54:25 <rust_collector> but then you would need a custom transformer out on the street...
56:17 <Ysjoelfir> it is.
56:43 <Ysjoelfir> rusty - nah. I have all kinds of PSUs
57:08 <rust_collector> sure, but you want the power company to do that stuff
57:18 <Ysjoelfir> erm
57:18 <Ysjoelfir> no
57:54 <Lemon> hmmm do you think those shielded cable will keep wifi and other stuff to temper with the measurements /
57:55 <Lemon> ?
57:58 <rust_collector> why not? having a 48v line into the house would be useful
58:10 <Lemon> if I wave myc ellphone around my banana cables, LSD move like 5 counts
59:41 <rust_collector> ellphones will cook your brain, don't wave it around your banana cables
59:43 <coppice> Lemon: trying doing that with the phone ringing
00:07 <Lemon> well im using it as a modem
00:35 <coppice> then try it while streaming heavy data
00:47 <Lemon> yeeah it moves a lot
03:38 <Lemon> I cant wait to try the vaporesso gen box with the tfv16
04:06 <Lemon> I'll have the invader 3/resa prince as a backup
04:13 <rust_collector> that blahblah vape thing will mess up your measurements
04:22 <Lemon> ho I wont vape in the lab
04:39 <rust_collector> so, you think your wall will stop that?
04:50 <Lemon> im vaping outside :>
05:19 <rust_collector> yes, do you think your wall will stop it from messing up your measurements?
05:28 <Lemon> ofc rusty
05:31 <rust_collector> ok
05:45 <Lemon> im also going to get a longass ethernet cable
05:49 <Lemon> and remove wifi
05:57 <rust_collector> uh huh
06:07 <Lemon> and connect everything via gpib too
06:10 <Lemon> so many things to do
06:27 <rust_collector> how long cable do you need?
06:39 <Lemon> I dont really now, but more than 10 meters for sure
07:16 <rust_collector> oh, but 20 is pretty common, but you can probably get a 200m reel, and some ends for the same price
07:41 <Lemon> I think my father got one somewhere
07:46 <Lemon> gotta dig in the attic
10:31 <Lemon> time for a nap
10:33 <Lemon> see ya bois
10:41 <rust_collector> night
17:13 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: Just watched the first episode of space force. Was decently funny. Will continue! https://t.co/HR0J01k1sS
19:50 <Ysjoelfir> rusty... well, I thought about a 48V bus when I someday get a house.
20:14 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Retweet: Steph Piper: I've been working hard on designing some beautiful #electronics posters over the last couple of months, it's finally available! #makerspace #learn @elkei_education https://t.co/G8VY9ZG4ij https://t.co/CDDQyvZdAm
21:00 <rust_collector> trying to sell a house where some weird diy guy has lived for decades has to be the worst job
21:31 <Ysjoelfir> I would love to get one like that
21:36 <Ysjoelfir> wouold be so much fun
22:18 <coppice> most houses have a bunch of rather funky features
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