// #eevblog — 2020-06-02
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00:02:54 <hsn93> i just coppied what biasing and (resistor ratio) of the lcd from its datasheet i dont know what are they ..
00:09:34 <K> bising for contrast or what?
00:09:38 <K> biasing
00:10:50 <hsn93> i believe so ..
00:10:52 <hsn93> lcd_write(CMD_SET_ADC_NORMAL); // ADC select 0xA0
00:10:52 <hsn93> lcd_write(CMD_DISPLAY_OFF); // DISPLAY OFF 0xAE
00:10:52 <hsn93> lcd_write(CMD_SET_COM_NORMAL); // SHL select
00:10:52 <hsn93> lcd_write(CMD_SET_BIAS_9); // LCD bias select
00:10:52 <hsn93> lcd_write(CMD_SET_POWER_CONTROL | 0x7); // turn on voltage follower (VC=1, VR=1, VF=1)
00:10:54 <hsn93> lcd_write(CMD_SET_RESISTOR_RATIO | 0x6); // set lcd operating voltage (regulator resistor, ref voltage resistor)
00:10:57 <hsn93> lcd_write(CMD_SET_VOLUME_FIRST);
00:10:59 <hsn93> lcd_write(CMD_SET_VOLUME_SECOND | (17 & 0x3f));
00:11:25 <hsn93> this ^ commands .. i just noticed (CMD_SET_RESISTOR_RATIO | 0x6) << is black
00:11:30 <hsn93> (CMD_SET_RESISTOR_RATIO | 0x5) shallow
00:13:02 <hsn93> i thought lcd_write(CMD_SET_VOLUME_SECOND | value) << is controlling the contrast
00:14:02 <hsn93> it is
00:15:28 <hsn93> is there command usually to update lcd after i write the pixels to its registers ??
00:21:36 <K> hm, on the old ones it had someting to do with twidling OE or whatsit called pin
00:22:04 <K> but that is only if you don't have any libraries
00:22:19 <K> what does lcd_write do?
00:24:08 <hsn93> it has spi_write
00:24:17 <hsn93> only
00:24:21 <K> so it does spi
00:24:47 <K> hm, pin twiddling is less likely then
00:24:55 <hsn93> yeah .. the only thing i managed to do is set contrast + turn it off and on
00:25:12 <hsn93> currently its like this
00:25:13 <hsn93> lcd_write(CMD_DISPLAY_OFF);
00:25:14 <hsn93> vTaskDelay(3000);
00:25:14 <hsn93> lcd_write(CMD_DISPLAY_ON);
00:25:22 <hsn93> and its blinking all pixels on or off
00:25:38 <hsn93> however earlier i set all the regesters to 0xA5
00:27:21 <hsn93> and this is how (i write to its data registers) :
00:27:23 <hsn93> void ST7565_clear_display(void) {
00:27:23 <hsn93> ioport_pin_t A0_pin = PIO_PA15_IDX;
00:27:23 <hsn93> uint8_t p, c;
00:27:23 <hsn93> for(p = 0; p < 8; p++) {
00:27:24 <hsn93> ioport_set_pin_level( A0_pin , false); //cmd
00:27:26 <hsn93> lcd_write(CMD_SET_PAGE | p);
00:27:28 <hsn93> for(c = 0; c < 129; c++) {
00:27:30 <hsn93> ioport_set_pin_level( A0_pin , false); //cmd
00:27:32 <hsn93> lcd_write(CMD_SET_COLUMN_LOWER | (c & 0xf));
00:27:34 <hsn93> lcd_write(CMD_SET_COLUMN_UPPER | ((c >> 4) & 0xf));
00:27:36 <hsn93> ioport_set_pin_level( A0_pin , true); //data
00:27:38 <hsn93> lcd_write(0xa5);
00:27:40 <hsn93> }
00:27:42 <hsn93> }
00:27:44 <hsn93> }
00:28:33 <hsn93> came from last command in here : https://github.com/adafruit/ST7565-LCD/blob/master/ST7565/ST7565.cpp so it should be fine ..
00:28:47 <hsn93> last function ^
00:28:48 <K> A0 pin looks like a latch to me
00:29:10 <hsn93> huh it should be toggled ?
00:29:15 <hsn93> with each transfer?
00:29:16 <K> prolly
00:29:21 <hsn93> aaah
00:29:23 <K> with each pixel
00:29:42 <hsn93> but in the case i should see one pixel off
00:29:57 <hsn93> let me check
00:30:01 <K> no idea what that 0xa5 does afterards, maybe some sleep
00:30:41 <hsn93> adafruit library is latching a0 also
00:32:51 <hsn93> i changed (a5) to (0)
00:33:27 <K> hm, the library is missing implementation "my_setpixel"
00:33:29 <hsn93> and somthing wierd happended https://photos.app.goo.gl/WYxJi72YpX7CojVC7
00:34:26 <hsn93> that function has color which in my case isnt true ... actually
00:34:47 <hsn93> the A5 in my mind should output chess board on the pixels
00:36:23 <K> how many gryascales can it do?
00:38:33 <hsn93> huh ,, i dont know i though (1/0)
00:46:36 <K> hm, what mcu is it there?
00:48:31 <hsn93> sam4e16e
00:55:29 <K> ah.
00:55:52 <K> dont have any exp with atmel arms
00:55:55 <K> but
00:56:21 <K> https://github.com/mberntsen/STM32-Libraries/blob/master/ST7565/src/ST7565.c - this looks more cleaned up, but is for stm32
01:01:10 <hsn93> im only doing the last function for now
01:01:18 <hsn93> and this looks suspecious to me :
01:01:19 <hsn93> ST7565_st7565_command(CMD_SET_COLUMN_LOWER | (c & 0xf));
01:01:20 <hsn93> ST7565_st7565_command(CMD_SET_COLUMN_UPPER | ((c >> 4) & 0xf));
01:01:30 <hsn93> i think it should be & 0x0f ?
01:01:33 <hsn93> the second one ^
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01:03:45 <K> it is the same
01:03:54 <K> 0xF === 0x0F
01:04:03 <hsn93> oh right ..
01:04:05 <hsn93> lol
01:04:24 <rust_collector> moinings Ysjoelfir
01:05:05 <Ampera> hi Ysjoelfir how are you doing
01:06:21 <rust_collector> 193488845694
01:06:26 <rust_collector> heh.
01:06:39 <rust_collector> meh, put it in ebay.
01:07:29 <hsn93> hi ysjoelfir
01:07:41 <hsn93> 193488845694 ?
01:07:59 <hsn93> ok
01:09:04 <K> excelent
01:09:33 <Ampera> I'm so tired I just tried to pause music that wasn't even playing
01:09:54 <K> yeah, that happens
01:11:07 <rust_collector> is it one of those days when you have nyan cat in your head?
01:23:15 <Ysjoelfir> hello all
01:23:16 <EEVBlog> Hello there, Ysjoelfir!
01:23:35 <rust_collector> mmhmm
01:28:16 <Ysjoelfir> looks like I'll be making cake today
01:28:19 <Ysjoelfir> or something simmilar
01:28:24 <Ysjoelfir> no idea if that counts as cake
01:28:31 <Ysjoelfir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-WpWn-fyNw
01:28:34 <Ysjoelfir> SWMBO wants that
01:29:11 <Ysjoelfir> warning, the music is very bad
01:30:01 <hsn93> K, somthing worked but still doesnt make too much sense: https://photos.app.goo.gl/qyzVnEsMi9niVrwF6
01:38:03 <rust_collector> Ysjoelfir, I agree with that. just do it.
01:39:04 <rust_collector> I do not think I have ever tried to steam a cake
01:39:18 <Ysjoelfir> I never tried that, too
01:39:22 <Ysjoelfir> but it looks intrigueing
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01:39:34 <rust_collector> well, it would be very safe, I guess
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01:42:10 <l_hsn_l> ah blocked ip again
01:42:11 <K> hsn93, hm try alternating 0xAA and 0x55
01:42:12 * Ysjoelfir smacks hsn's router
01:42:15 <l_hsn_l> see u guys
01:42:38 <l_hsn_l> K, i ll try that tmrw i left office
01:42:45 <l_hsn_l> thanks
01:42:49 <K> k
01:43:25 <l_hsn_l> ysjoelfir im outside buildind the mobile switches from 4g to wifi .. its not the router 😄
01:43:40 <l_hsn_l> see u 4g giving me banned ip
01:43:46 <rust_collector> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hT1OKo1rT84
01:46:28 <K> pfft
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01:53:58 <rust_collector> I never really use condensed milk for anything
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02:58:29 <Ysjoelfir> I use sweetened condensed milk with black tea, rust_collector
02:58:47 <Ysjoelfir> and don't ask me why my internet is going apeshit today
02:58:51 * Ysjoelfir smacks his own router
02:59:22 * Ampera smacks Ysjoelfir with a bagel
02:59:36 <Ysjoelfir> I know that word, but tbh I never know what a bagel is
02:59:41 <Ampera> four hours until I can go the fuck back to sleep
02:59:43 <Ampera> what
03:00:04 <Ampera> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bagel
03:00:14 <Ysjoelfir> If I read "bagel" I always have the picture of a donut in my head, even though I know thats wrong
03:00:21 <Ysjoelfir> oh
03:00:23 <Ysjoelfir> its not
03:00:29 <Ampera> imagine a doughnut, but it's like a loaf of bread
03:00:38 <Ampera> with a slick, chewy crust and consistency
03:00:47 <Ampera> and it's not (usually) sweet, it's more a savoury thing
03:00:50 <Ysjoelfir> like a breadroll-doughnut
03:00:57 <Ampera> yeah
03:01:00 <Ysjoelfir> I should try that
03:01:06 <Ysjoelfir> no idea where I get that though
03:01:14 <Ampera> I refuse to believe Germany doesn't have bagels
03:01:20 <K> Ysjoelfir, tea with condensed milk?
03:01:23 <Ysjoelfir> I'm sure I saw it in a shelve sometime ago
03:01:28 <Ampera> go to a bakery, they'll have them
03:01:29 <Ysjoelfir> K - yes
03:01:32 <Ampera> or if you have coffee shops
03:01:32 <K> brrrrr
03:01:48 <K> isn't bagel a donut without a hole?
03:02:00 <Ysjoelfir> K, you were from latvia, right? you should love sweetened condensed milk then!
03:02:11 <Ampera> K, are you serious
03:02:21 <K> well, i like it sometimes, on a slice of bread or in some cake
03:02:37 <Ampera> I
03:02:41 <K> here almost everyone who drinks black tea, drinks it black
03:02:41 <Ampera> 've never had condensed milk ever
03:02:50 <Ampera> outside of its use in things I've not known about before
03:03:08 <Ampera> here it's more an ingredient than a condiment
03:05:43 <K> condensed milk caramelizes if you boil it
03:05:48 <K> that is very nice
03:06:08 <K> like chuck the tin can into boiling watter and wait
03:06:19 <Ampera> Linux 5.7 is out
03:06:34 <K> is it ready for desktop yet?
03:06:36 <Ampera> apparently it now has support for the Pinebook Pro and Pinephone
03:06:52 <Ampera> K, well I've been using Linux on the desktop since Linux 4, so
03:06:53 <Ampera> yes
03:06:58 * Ysjoelfir writes "Bagel" on his grocery shopping list
03:07:04 <Ampera> just the one
03:07:23 <K> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bublik
03:07:23 * Ysjoelfir adds another can of condensed milk to it, too, to make caramel (and see if it works this time without the can exploding)
03:07:27 <Ampera> most larger supermarkets have fresh bagels
03:07:40 <Ampera> and, like a deli, if you let me loose near one I will spend literally every penny I have
03:07:45 <K> well, not exactly caramel, but similar
03:08:05 <Ampera> Ysjoelfir, you're not supposed to cook it in the can
03:08:07 <Ysjoelfir> yeah, I know that stuff. its..... tasty, as long as you don't try to eat more than microbic amounts of it
03:08:51 <Ysjoelfir> but thats the way they show it on the internetâ„¢, Ampera!
03:09:22 <Ampera> Ysjoelfir, only losers are on the internet, I'm on the intranet
03:09:56 <K> https://imgur.com/a/TQLnYbm - the browny stuff between the halves is caramelized condensed milk with suggar
03:12:12 <rust_collector> ok, but what is the halves?
03:13:16 <DHess_US> What is brown and sticky?
03:13:36 <DHess_US> A stick.
03:14:28 <K> uffff, name for for the whole thing, if english would have propper deminutives, the literal translation would be "deminutive-nuts"
03:15:50 <Ysjoelfir> I know those things, but have no name for it. but they are tasty
03:16:06 <Ysjoelfir> very sweeeeet though
03:16:07 <K> the halves themselve are a little brittle, made from regular "sand cookie dough"
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03:18:55 <rust_collector> ok, but non-translated?
03:22:04 <K> "smilšu mīkla"
03:22:18 <K> for dough
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03:24:13 <K> the thing with the the nuts is that you really need these - https://img1.spoki.lv/upload2/articles/56/566843/images/Cepumi-riekstini-ar-1.jpg
03:25:08 <rust_collector> and those are... 3/4" or so in diameter?
03:25:28 <rust_collector> 13/16"?
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03:35:56 <Ysjoelfir> K should send some to you to try, rusty. and some to me, too, for... added convenience.
03:36:04 <K> about 37mm on longest side on the outside
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03:42:04 <K> byeeee
03:48:18 <Ysjoelfir> where 'r u going?
03:51:20 <Ysjoelfir> so rust_collector, we decided to order Pizza since neither SWMBO nor me had enough motivation to bake that thing :D
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04:18:31 <Lemon> waddup peeps
04:23:00 <Lemon> hey DHess_US, sorry to bother you, do you think a genrad 1422-CB would make a great capacitance reference for my bridge ? if yes, what would be a decent price for it ?
04:30:37 <Lord_of_nothing> re
04:30:58 <Lord_of_nothing> if anyone want call me i got a new phone Number: 004313530803
04:34:31 * Ampera squeezes Lemon
04:34:34 <Ampera> how you doing
04:34:54 <Ampera> Lord_of_nothing, the question is if I want to spend the international charge on what is probably a phone sex hotline
04:35:35 <Lord_of_nothing> nope its my number
04:35:39 <Lemon> heh doing ok, and you ?
04:35:41 <Lord_of_nothing> and 01 is for Vienna
04:35:59 <Lord_of_nothing> I found out UÇK.at is avaiable
04:36:25 <Lord_of_nothing> And i use VoIP so you maybe pay nothing
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04:40:12 <Lord_of_nothing> buy you explosive belt for just 199$ with free shipping
04:40:24 <Lord_of_nothing> delivered by the US Airforce...
04:40:35 <Lord_of_nothing> Fund by the US Gov.
04:41:04 <l_hsn_l> داعش ؟
04:41:26 <l_hsn_l> isis ^
04:41:38 <Lord_of_nothing> yes...
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04:42:09 <Lord_of_nothing> i guess there are some domains who nobody want
04:42:30 <l_hsn_l> does it worth or i should order from digikey .. ? the problem is shipping 75$
04:43:16 <l_hsn_l> or it will back fire if i ordered these bjts from china
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04:44:27 <Lord_of_nothing> 75 just for shipping?
04:44:41 <hsn> yeah .. Lord_of_nothing
04:48:25 <Lord_of_nothing> omg the are insane
04:49:01 <Lord_of_nothing> if its not ups overnight the are total insane
04:49:17 <Lord_of_nothing> _test_
04:49:22 <Lord_of_nothing> *test*
04:49:41 <hsn> https://snipboard.io/v4rHMb.jpg
04:51:25 <Lord_of_nothing> you are in bahrain?
04:51:37 <hsn> if it was around 5$ like aliexpress i wouldnt go to aliexpress for electronics components :P
04:52:01 <hsn> yeah
04:52:19 <hsn> thats why i knew "isis" word without translate xD
04:52:55 <Lord_of_nothing> many people know that....
04:53:07 <hsn> in arabic ?
04:53:28 <Lord_of_nothing> sure
04:53:36 <Lord_of_nothing> expecialy that who found then in the us
04:54:11 <hsn> so ,, memorize the word shape or what .. ?
04:54:24 <hsn> as many dont know to read arabic ?
04:54:44 <Lord_of_nothing> well i try to learn magyar
04:54:50 <Lord_of_nothing> thats not that easy
04:54:59 <Lord_of_nothing> for me its hard enough
04:55:17 <hsn> ah
04:55:27 <hsn> i think chineese is hard
04:56:09 <Lord_of_nothing> well there are many people who can teach you about
04:56:27 <Lord_of_nothing> try to find someone who speak magyar outside of hungary
04:56:38 <hsn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74gx0v5ZJzw&list=RD74gx0v5ZJzw&start_radio=1
05:00:00 <Lord_of_nothing> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Myfg-s4tVa0
05:01:30 <l_hsn_l> charliee byte me
05:20:11 <l_hsn_l> https://www.theregister.com/2020/06/01/linux_5_7/
05:21:02 <Lord_of_nothing> https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/2-ply-Custom-USA-Flag-Novelty_697804935.html
05:21:25 <Lord_of_nothing> well i order a Cargo Container of them for the 4 Juli
05:21:49 <Ampera> only 100 more minutes before I can go the fuck back to sleep
05:22:27 <Lord_of_nothing> sure... Material 100% virgin wood pulp
05:22:40 <Ampera> mmm, virgins
05:23:04 <Lord_of_nothing> AND IT GET BETTER! https://sc01.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1SEjSKXXXXXbCXpXXq6xXFXXXi/200416096/HTB1SEjSKXXXXXbCXpXXq6xXFXXXi.jpg_.webp
05:23:16 <hsn> the trump one should be banned ..
05:23:49 <Ampera> hsn, why he has a beautiful face
05:24:17 <hsn> seriously i hate the guy but this is not proper
05:24:19 <hsn> :)
05:24:30 <hsn> its paper ..
05:24:38 <Lord_of_nothing> well trump is the first president who not start a war with someone
05:24:58 <Lord_of_nothing> and less people get killed with drones than under the Obama Regime
05:25:08 <Ampera> Lord_of_nothing, do you live in the US?
05:25:56 <Lord_of_nothing> thank good no i didnt!
05:26:17 <Ampera> that explains why you have zero clue what you're on about
05:27:32 <Lord_of_nothing> well when i see what happen under the obama regime i am happy to see someone who is more peacefull
05:27:40 <Ampera> lol
05:27:48 <Ampera> they're both terrible
05:30:33 <Lord_of_nothing> yell trump is better than the clinton clan
05:31:04 <Ampera> you sound like a guy whose entire political career is a 30 pack and F2A trailer park TV
05:31:11 <Ampera> *career -> expertise
05:32:37 <Lord_of_nothing> well how many american know what happen outside of there mainland?
05:35:54 <rust_collector> 78 million or so of them are pretty good at keeping up with things, the rest just get the normal news, like the rest of us
05:41:45 <rust_collector> ok, riekstini... that was much easier
05:42:39 <rust_collector> I think I will try that some time
05:42:41 <Lord_of_nothing> ?
05:43:04 <rust_collector> k mentioned a kind of "cake" earlier
05:43:31 <Lord_of_nothing> do you talk with your self?
05:43:42 <rust_collector> most of the time, yes
05:43:52 <rust_collector> is that a problem?
05:48:14 <Ysjoelfir> No. Please continue.
05:48:16 <Lord_of_nothing> i am not a expert in that
05:49:02 <rust_collector> well, it takes hard work, but you can get there, if you try
05:50:59 <rust_collector> I guess it is similar to learning hungarian. It is a bit tricky to get into, but it is possible, if you are interested enough
05:51:55 <rust_collector> https://receptes.tvnet.lv/recepte/21627-riekstini-ar-kondenseta-piena-pildijumu
05:52:18 <rust_collector> that is almost Ysjoelfir proof
05:53:06 <Lord_of_nothing> well i stick with magyar
05:55:53 <rust_collector> well, as I do not write in hungarian here, I like to call it hungarian. it is just one of my quirks
05:57:14 <rust_collector> magyar reminds me of the bags of stamps we used to collect. about half of them said "magyar posta" they have to have been very into collecting stamps over there
05:58:47 <Lord_of_nothing> who want not to wipe there shooes on that door matt: https://www.amazon.com/CHARMHOME-Entrance-Doormat-Illustration-Countries/dp/B07R4NBGYX ?
05:59:58 <rust_collector> could not find that page
06:00:06 <Lord_of_nothing> or that: https://www.cowcow.com/emblem-of-saudi-arabia-large-doormat_p102776298
06:02:30 <Lord_of_nothing> https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcTgDnZdIP60j2iy4NOPm907nwwByDHrGCj8tUoxwbu-F6jAhu-x&usqp=CAU
06:04:29 <rust_collector> http://www.fotoreceptes.lv/riekstini%20%2826%29.JPG
06:18:01 <l_hsn_l> lord_of_nothing ur in hate with countries 😄
06:34:52 <Lord_of_nothing> i dont hate country just people who life there
06:36:25 <Ysjoelfir> IT INDEED IS; rust_collector .9
06:36:27 <Ysjoelfir> grah
06:36:40 <Ysjoelfir> I hate games that use caps as sneak or whatever
06:36:44 <rust_collector> I want one of those irons
06:37:13 <Ysjoelfir> then get one?
06:37:17 <rust_collector> so, did the mistress get any cake?
06:39:31 <rust_collector> oh, no comment, eh?
06:39:39 <rust_collector> I will take that as yes, err
06:40:02 <Ysjoelfir> no, she didn't get any. Me neither :(
06:40:08 <rust_collector> HAH!
06:40:17 <Ysjoelfir> still playing, which is why I don't anser that often :P
06:40:54 <rust_collector> well, I am watching a guy make a wooden snake, so...
06:41:20 <rust_collector> so, cake on wednesday then?
06:43:50 <l_hsn_l> ysjoelfir
06:45:36 <Lord_of_nothing> cake? Did I miss something?
06:46:08 <rust_collector> no, he did not make any, so
06:47:10 <l_hsn_l> im thinking to use this as my Upwork profile image .. what do u think?? ----> https://imgur.com/a/Hjog57q
06:47:55 <l_hsn_l> :>
06:47:57 <rust_collector> let me see...
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06:59:38 <Lord_of_nothing> does anyone here use a 1000w cb amp cost?
07:01:12 <rust_collector> hsn, https://imgur.com/a/pmhSqW3
07:02:50 <rust_collector> or l_hsn_l
07:03:42 <l_hsn_l> its perfect rusty
07:03:42 <rust_collector> is upwork sort of like linked in?
07:04:00 <rust_collector> thanks. I think it fits ok like that
07:04:04 <l_hsn_l> its more like freelancing platform
07:04:21 <rust_collector> ok, but similar idea-ish?
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07:05:15 <rust_collector> it looks like a pic you would have on that sort of place, I guess
07:05:28 <rust_collector> well, unless you want work
07:05:42 <rust_collector> No, I mean.... oh, dinner
07:08:57 <Lord_of_nothing> tomorrow i can play with the rugged dell tablet
07:09:04 <Lord_of_nothing> should i test something?
07:09:18 <Lord_of_nothing> without breakte them *gg*
07:09:52 <rust_collector> well, check is a mouse and keyboard works well with it?
07:12:21 <Lord_of_nothing> well i wont carry any wiht me but yes it will the have just one usb 3.0 connector
07:14:16 <rust_collector> i guess it is good that someone other than panasonic is making something rugged. meh, just see if the damn thing works. install netbsd on it,
07:14:47 <rust_collector> see how hard it is to shield it from 5g beams
07:18:32 * l_hsn_l is sleepy
07:21:30 <Ysjoelfir> hsn, i like the picture :) also with rustys addition xD
07:21:32 <Ysjoelfir> and I'll go to bed now. gn8 all
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07:21:41 <l_hsn_l> gn
07:21:41 <Lord_of_nothing> the dell are made for the us military
07:21:57 <rust_collector> oh well, it could still be usable
07:22:15 <Lord_of_nothing> tomorrow i can test how powerfull the i7 is
07:23:38 <rust_collector> what do you want to use it for?
07:24:27 <Lord_of_nothing> play crysis (insider joke)
07:25:26 <Lord_of_nothing> just SDR stuff
07:25:35 <Lord_of_nothing> and wifi scanning
07:25:47 <Lord_of_nothing> and other funny thinks who a watertide tablet is usefull
07:25:59 <rust_collector> well, I mean... it is a tablet... as long as it will do what you need... I would see if the battery has good capacity, long before testing how powerfull an i7 is
07:27:21 <Lord_of_nothing> Intel® Core™ i7-8665U-Prozessor der 8. Generation (4 Kerne, 8 MB Cache, 1,9 GHz, 15 W)
07:28:13 <rust_collector> whatever. the cpu is probably just fine
07:28:14 <Lord_of_nothing> well there fit 2x 34 Wh, 2 Zellen, ExpressChargeâ„¢, Lithium-Ionen-Akku inside that should be enough.
07:28:44 <Lord_of_nothing> the major problem is the sdr software need a lot of cpu power
07:29:02 <rust_collector> heh, ok
07:29:06 <Lord_of_nothing> and when the CPU end with "U" dont mean a good think
07:30:14 <rust_collector> well, "mobile" processors are not always that bad...
07:31:08 <rust_collector> eeh, you will find out.
07:31:48 <rust_collector> I am going back to watching a guy make a snake... good night
07:32:44 <Lord_of_nothing> good night
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08:16:59 <DHess_US> https://i.imgur.com/ub4Uzwv.jpg
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08:29:53 <canadaguest> hi to these who might also be wondering just where summer went to :)
08:34:55 <T3sl4> DHess_US: heh, i think that joke was a boomer joke for the boomers already
08:35:54 <canadaguest> hows things for you t3sl4?
08:36:06 <T3sl4> i'm good
08:41:22 <canadaguest> doing ok here myself
08:42:29 <T3sl4> the protests here have been peaceful for the most part, also downtown but i'm in a suburb where basically nothing is happening
08:42:47 <canadaguest> oh you in one of these usa areas? uhh :-s
08:44:20 <T3sl4> yeah
08:44:24 <T3sl4> we know how to party, eh?
08:45:02 <canadaguest> not to start a flame on irc but .. hopefully the parties would know how to vote next time an election comes up?
08:45:05 <canadaguest> :)
08:49:45 <canadaguest> anyhow I'm trying look online a bit but thought I might try mention it in here too .. would one need separate units for popular cb and ham bands or cam some single units do both?
08:52:38 <DHess_US> https://i.imgur.com/olzTCSi.jpg
08:53:02 <T3sl4> that's not something you want to see
08:54:20 <canadaguest> dhess thats quite one big ass crank ring broken into half!
08:55:43 <DHess_US> canadaguest, routine failure for a spun bearing.
08:56:18 <canadaguest> I see
08:56:23 <DHess_US> "spun bearing" means the bearing insert broke lose, spun, and then jammed.
08:57:07 <DHess_US> Although I don't see any damage on the inside of the rod.
09:01:09 <T3sl4> they should just make the inserts so they bear from both sides; then it doesn't matter which way it spins!
09:01:46 <DHess_US> https://www.enginebuildermag.com/2017/03/engine-bearing-technology-spin-spun-bearings/
09:01:58 <DHess_US> Yea, it doesn't work that way.
09:02:00 <T3sl4> now that i think of it, i'm not sure why that's not a thing, unless it's just too hard to do precisely or stably
09:02:19 <DHess_US> It's surprising how small the "key" is which holds the bearing inserts in place.
09:08:39 <DHess_US> Maybe big engines are different but this is typical, https://musclecardiy.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/624.jpg
09:10:29 <T3sl4> i mean, it would be rather worrying if it did require a lot of keying force, on account of it being a, you know
09:13:08 <DHess_US> I think the failure is that for whatever reason, the bearing insert "sticks" to the crank and shears the little tab off.
09:13:26 <DHess_US> Then eventually the whole thing jams.
09:21:08 <T3sl4> wouldn't it be possible to make the inside and outside surfaces bearing-capable, and lubricated?
09:21:42 <T3sl4> they surely won't wear evenly, but maybe it would be an added layer (literally?) of protection? dunno
09:23:36 <DHess_US> The surfaces rely on sliding to keep the oil film between them.
09:23:54 <DHess_US> In practice I think one surface would stick.
09:24:15 <DHess_US> Plus the crank has no seam while the rod is split into two and has two seams.
09:24:34 <DHess_US> So now the outside of the bearing insert has to move across a pair of seams.
09:26:02 <T3sl4> true
09:26:57 <T3sl4> the bearing pieces could be made with helical end faces so they cross the seam gradually, and the seam on the rod could perhaps be made very slight, say with the fracture method they do on... high performance rods i guess?
09:27:23 <T3sl4> nevermind if that would pass in production, ofc
09:31:00 <DHess_US> Insert bearings are awfully good as they are. It isn't like much could be gained.
09:31:48 <DHess_US> I think there are other things which could be done to make them more reliable like cutting in an oil groove; and I think some do that.
09:32:32 <DHess_US> A spun bearing is the result of some other failure which would destroy the bearing anyway.
09:32:37 <DHess_US> ran out of oil, too much load, whatever
09:33:16 <T3sl4> yup
09:33:55 <T3sl4> isn't the crank usually drilled through for oil passages? one crank bearing acts like a banjo bolt, pumping into it, and the rod in turn acts as another
09:34:37 <DHess_US> I seem to recall that "real" engines use a separately powered oil pump in parallel to pressurize the bearings before starting.
09:35:17 <DHess_US> Yes, oil goes from the block into the crank through the main bearings and then into the rod bearings and even through the rods up to the wrist pins.
09:35:56 <T3sl4> cool that they manage to do that on a complicated shape like a crank
09:36:16 <DHess_US> At the top of the rod under the piston, there may also be a hole to squirt oil on the inside of the cylinder.
09:36:50 <T3sl4> and to squirt up to help cooling the piston
09:37:28 <DHess_US> https://what-when-how.com/crankshaft/crankshaft-lubrication/
09:38:43 <DHess_US> I've only rebuilt one engine down to that level.
09:38:53 <DHess_US> But I pretty much did it by myself.
09:40:01 <T3sl4> i wonder how much ripple pressure there is in a typical oil system
09:40:02 <DHess_US> It is pretty satisfying to torque the bolts. You really feel like you are doing something even on a small automobile engine.
09:40:26 <DHess_US> They use a gear pump so not much I think.
09:40:41 <DHess_US> positive displacement gear pump.
09:40:49 <T3sl4> that's what i mean, pressure could be all over the place
09:40:57 <DHess_US> Pressure is anywhere from 30 to 100 psi depending on the engine.
09:40:59 <T3sl4> the load might be rather intermittent, though that depends on how the passages line up and stuff
09:41:21 <T3sl4> there must be a spring loaded bypass to regulate max oil pressure, no?
09:41:23 <DHess_US> There is a bypass so at higher RPM, the oil is bypassed for constant pressure.
09:41:28 <T3sl4> yeah
09:41:52 <T3sl4> which will take care of intermittent load too
09:42:19 <DHess_US> So run of the mill engines are like 30 to 50 psi but something like a Ford 289 HP in an old Mustang is more like 80 to 100 PSI
09:43:13 <DHess_US> I remember after my father had his 289 HP rebuilt, the oil pressure was so high it kept breaking oil gages.
09:43:26 <DHess_US> 100 psi oil gages aren't really intended to operate at 100 psi.
09:43:46 <T3sl4> heh
09:45:16 <canadaguest> dhess its funny how for some things, numbers are often not the actual numbers they need to be
09:46:09 <canadaguest> 48v bus? that would be a 50v switch ... 17m wood? its actually 17.4m off the lumbershop shelf .. and so on
09:46:25 <T3sl4> twobafour is 1-1/2 x 3-1/2
09:49:42 <DHess_US> Gages are generally optimized to operate at half scale.
09:50:10 <DHess_US> Or at least closer to half scale than either end.
10:09:30 * canadaguest somewhat wonders if europe is maybe asleep now
10:09:55 <canadaguest> it seem like only us three north america are awake now :)
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10:18:04 <rust_collector> nah... north, yes, but not quite
10:19:00 * canadaguest pokes rust_collector with umm a freight train model?
10:19:01 <canadaguest> :)
10:21:01 <canadaguest> rust_collector hows your weather tho?
10:21:11 <canadaguest> here its for some reason gone almost semi-winter which is so weird for us
10:23:13 <rust_collector> heh, it is like hell here. 19c right now
10:23:49 <rust_collector> it was 27 yesterday
10:24:47 <canadaguest> mm
10:26:10 <rust_collector> It is not often we have 19c at 2.30 in the morning here
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10:28:30 <canadaguest> anything else interesting tho rust_collector?
10:29:22 <rust_collector> mmh, no, not really. it was some kind of holy weekend thing, so nothing happened.
10:31:13 <canadaguest> ah ok
10:31:22 <rust_collector> mmmh, neighbors kid managed to put 3 cds in a cd player. that was interesting to get out again
10:35:05 <rust_collector> it was one of those cases where I thought it was important-ish to get them out without destroying them, king crimson, yello, and random kids songs from tv
10:48:28 <rust_collector> interesting lower rod failure, lol
10:50:23 <canadaguest> anyhow I think I'll let you three just be, I'm going off to read till bedtime or so
10:50:25 <canadaguest> :)
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13:43:56 <Halcyon> Howdy everyone
13:46:20 * T3sl4 hugs Halcyon
13:47:00 <Halcyon> Hey T3sl4 :)
13:47:08 <T3sl4> what's up
13:50:55 <Halcyon> Not much, having a nom and a beverage. You?
13:54:49 <T3sl4> had a beverage and a nom earlier
13:54:59 <T3sl4> rum on the rocks, and quesadillas
13:55:07 <steve30> hi Halcyon
13:55:32 <Halcyon> Oh delicious. I bought some sourdough rolls and I had ham, cheese, jalapenos and hot english mustard.
13:55:42 <Halcyon> Hey Steve :) How are you?
13:57:18 <steve30> If I see one more person/organisation making insulting tributes to the National Health Service, steam is going to come out of my ears.
13:57:22 <steve30> Otherwise, I'm fine :)
13:57:37 <Halcyon> Why? What are people saying about the NHS ?
13:58:08 <steve30> Basically, treating them like heros for doing the jobs we pay them to do.
13:58:44 <Halcyon> Well, based on that logic, can't you say the same thing about Police, Fireys, Ambos, Nurses, Teachers etc... ?
13:59:44 <steve30> yes
13:59:58 <Halcyon> And I'll go one step further and say that our Government this year have denied front line workers (above) a 2.5% pay rise (which barely even covers increases in cost of living) even though it's built into the award that they agreed to 3 years ago.
14:00:20 <Halcyon> Instead they are just offering those workers a $1000 one-off payment (which will be taxed) and that's a fucking insult.
14:00:40 <steve30> The parish council has decided to make our roundabout into a "rainbow roundabout" buy having people attach colourful things to the railings in honour of the health service.
14:01:01 <Halcyon> OK? So what?
14:02:58 <Halcyon> Let them have their coloured roundabout? I'm sure those people who work hard would appreciate a lot more. Granted, I don't know what sort of money they get paid, but it's over those front-line workers which cop the shit and the executives and politicians at the top who are looked after. For example, our Police commissioner just got handed a $87k pay rise. That's on top of what he currently earns, not to mention the free Poli
14:04:48 <Halcyon> This means he is now on about $650k per year, not including perks.
14:06:49 <steve30> As a patient who routinely get refused health services, or treated like crap when he does get them, I find all this "Thankyou NHS" crap to be highly insulting.
14:08:42 <Halcyon> Oh and I totally see your point as well. I'm not suggesting that the NHS is a great system, by the sounds of it, it's pretty awful. But you can't blame the front-line workers for a failure in the system. It's way beyond them.
14:09:39 <Halcyon> It's like what's happening in America right now. Many of their Police forces have systemic problems and high levels of corruption. Does that mean we hate all Police? Of course not.
14:10:57 <steve30> I agree you can't [always] blame the front line staff. Certainly doesn't mean I'll be putting re-purposed gay-pride flags up on my house to celebrate them though.
14:11:36 <Halcyon> And you shouldn't be pressured to
14:12:09 <Halcyon> I'm all for token gestures of appreciation for those who actually do the work and do their best. But at the end of the day, it doesn't fix the problems.
14:13:46 <steve30> I used to do a dirty job, and was off sick, unpaid, with infections a couple of times. I can't help but notice I didn't get any thanks.
14:14:21 <Halcyon> Sex workers don't count as front line Steve :P
14:14:25 <Halcyon> Jokes
14:15:15 <Halcyon> Fuck it's cold. It's about 6-8 degrees outside
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14:15:40 <Halcyon> Speaking of sex workers... hey hsn
14:15:41 <Halcyon> :P
14:15:53 <steve30> lol
14:16:08 * steve30 wraps Halcyon up in a cosy duvet
14:16:17 <Halcyon> Don't mind me, I'm in a silly mood. I finished work at 0300 this morning and was up for over 24 hours prior
14:16:30 * Halcyon invites Steve to invite him inside the cosy duvet
14:16:46 <l_hsn_l> halycon why im sex worker ? 😂
14:16:50 <steve30> I put clean sheets on yesterday :)
14:16:56 <Halcyon> *shrug*
14:17:03 <Halcyon> I wouldn't kick you out of bed
14:17:25 <l_hsn_l> lol stop the harrasment
14:17:50 <Halcyon> OK :(
14:17:52 * l_hsn_l needs the spray thingy
14:17:56 <l_hsn_l> 😄
14:18:31 <steve30> Halcyon, here's some examples from the other week
14:18:32 <steve30> https://www.flickr.com/photos/36651585@N04/49912725817/in/dateposted-public/
14:18:38 <steve30> https://www.flickr.com/photos/36651585@N04/49912430891/in/dateposted-public/
14:18:55 <Halcyon> Steve: All I see is a gay rainbow, are they thanking gays?
14:19:09 <steve30> I hope so :)
14:19:20 <Halcyon> You should start that. Re-post that photo under #THANKYOUGAYS
14:20:44 <T3sl4> <rainbow> / you / thank?
14:21:10 <Halcyon> That's only if you're retarded T3sl4
14:21:20 <Halcyon> It's like countries that print "LANE ONE FORM" on the road
14:21:25 <T3sl4> our street labels are usually retarded, aye
14:21:34 <T3sl4> we have "LANE BIKE"s over here, etc
14:23:31 <Halcyon> T3sl4: I kind of get US city street names, like 44th Street etc.... it makes sense.
14:23:37 <Halcyon> And East/West etc..
14:24:30 <Halcyon> But at the same time, you would have to know roughly where the numbers were. For example, if I didn't know where 11-ty-billionth street was, I might find myself walking a long way.
14:24:41 <T3sl4> nice at least, that it's easy to get around the grid based cities
14:25:32 <T3sl4> i think there's a like 369th street on the north side of chicago, but it's nowhere near chicago it's basically outside the northern suburbs even
14:25:49 <T3sl4> stuff like that, go figure :P
14:26:41 <T3sl4> oh, there was this one case i was looking for an address on a country road, i had about the right numbers but they didn't seem to be in the right place given the directions i had, and i couldn't find the exact number i was looking for
14:27:06 <T3sl4> turns out the street, is named the same street on both ends, but the numbering resets across the county line, and i was in the wrong county, had to go further
14:27:53 <T3sl4> but that's the state that brought us placenames like French Lick, so, eh..?
14:28:24 <T3sl4> also, on a drive through KY i randomly saw a county road 1337 or something, that was neat
14:28:27 <Halcyon> The only weirdness we have is one some country roads where there properties are huge. The houses are numbered based on the number of metres down that particular road they are.
14:29:14 <Halcyon> So #10250 would be 10.25 kilometres from the beginning of that road.
14:30:11 <Halcyon> It would make it easy to find though. Just reset the odometer and drive until you get to that number
14:30:20 <l_hsn_l> ours is mixed so one day i was in a grid like place and the numbers where in sequence . but i kept searching for long time and then there wasnt
14:30:20 <T3sl4> oh, well that could get obnoxious in the middle of the island
14:30:34 <l_hsn_l> the street i wanted
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14:52:38 <l_hsn_l> https://www.instagram.com/p/CA60NbQHQkZ/?igshid=1gxdd5v83e0u1
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14:54:08 <T3sl4> lot better than the now-ancient 345kv accidental disconnect vid
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14:56:30 <hsn> scary volts
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15:13:12 <Halcyon> Great, now the aboriginals here are getting on-board with the nonsense in the US
15:13:28 <Halcyon> Apparently they somehow feel discriminated against because of it
15:14:17 <T3sl4> not like they don't have reasons of their own
15:14:57 <Halcyon> Well... like all parts of society, some feel entitled to things simply based on events which happened to their ancestors in the past.
15:15:21 <Halcyon> But it's not their fault that they are unemployed, take drugs, etc...
15:15:26 <T3sl4> i don't feel entited to things
15:15:35 <T3sl4> that's the point, i don't have to feel, i /am/
15:15:36 <Halcyon> I said *parts* of society
15:15:41 <Halcyon> You aren't part of that group
15:15:49 <T3sl4> you said all parts
15:16:14 <Halcyon> What I meant way, you will always find white, black, asian, monkeys, boomerangs etc... who feel entitled
15:16:20 <Halcyon> That doesn't apply to all of them
15:16:33 <Halcyon> My brain is broke, I can't word properly today
15:17:03 <T3sl4> if you were asian australian would your brain be bloke
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15:17:16 <Halcyon> Hahah
15:17:23 <Halcyon> You're so lacist
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15:18:28 <T3sl4> so then, clearly it is a few bad apples protesting imagined entitlements?
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15:20:32 <hsn93> :> again was near the building ..
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15:21:00 <hsn93> 4g -> banned ip .. work building = wifi static ip ..
15:21:38 <T3sl4> at least it's not 5g, you'd be pregonant by now
15:21:55 <hsn93> why does 5g fucks ..
15:21:57 <Halcyon> Hahaha
15:22:24 <Halcyon> hsn93: The problem with most cellular networks is that they use CG-NAT
15:22:30 <Halcyon> You are sharing your IP with several other users
15:22:48 <Halcyon> A lot of countries are doing this on fixed-wire services too
15:22:57 <hsn93> yes.. but i really wonder why they block the ip here ..
15:23:08 <hsn93> im sure people here are not technical to build bots
15:23:18 <Halcyon> It would have some how made a block/spam list which Austnet checks against
15:23:26 <Halcyon> What was the IP?
15:23:45 <hsn93> idk but its bahrain ip .. i know bahrain doesnt have technical people
15:24:05 <hsn93> 109.161.131.4
15:24:27 <Halcyon> Yep, dnsbl.spfbl.net gets a hit for it
15:24:39 <hsn93> yeah .. but why ..
15:25:07 <Halcyon> https://matrix.spfbl.net/en/109.161.131.4
15:25:10 <hsn93> also i got one like that before ^ and then tried to unblock it .. u know where u can unlist ur self
15:25:14 <Halcyon> "This IP was flagged due to misconfiguration of the e-mail service or the suspicion that there is no MTA at it."
15:25:41 <Halcyon> Could even be someone's malware infected PC/Tablet/Phone sending out garbage
15:25:56 <hsn93> well even the one at work which is static is same ^
15:26:04 <Halcyon> *shrug*
15:27:04 <hsn93> how good is this spfbl
15:27:27 <Halcyon> It's quite common
15:27:32 <Halcyon> How "good" is it? I have no idea.
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15:27:54 <hsn93> good enough
15:40:02 <steve30> i need to go out for shopping this morning
15:45:23 <hsn93> i need to make this display work ! :>
15:50:03 * steve30 hugs Halcyon
15:51:27 <Halcyon> :D
15:52:23 <hsn93> steve30 carefull
15:52:31 <hsn93> he will take u to bed
15:53:19 <steve30> hehe
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16:07:56 <Ysjoelfir> Hello all
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16:08:19 <Ysjoelfir> Hello EEVBlog
16:08:26 <steve30> hello Ysjoelfir
16:08:34 <Ysjoelfir> Well, that sort of counts! :D
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16:09:55 <Ysjoelfir> however, after EEVBlog killed my seven day hello streak... How are you, steve30.5?
16:10:34 <steve30> i'm ok, i'm just passing time till i can go for shopping
16:11:11 <Ysjoelfir> "can" go for shopping? for me thats always more like a must :D
16:11:47 <steve30> I'm not setting off till 9am
16:12:13 <Ysjoelfir> I try to avoid going into a grocery store as much as I possibly can
16:12:34 <steve30> I've increased my visits to approx once per week
16:16:11 <Ysjoelfir> thats as low as I can go without SWMBO going completely apeshit
16:23:38 <steve30> Halcyon, are you familiar with the term 'partnered'?
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16:34:43 <Lemon> hi bois
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16:38:23 <Ysjoelfir> Hi CÃtròên
16:38:31 <Lemon> how its going:>
16:39:32 <Ysjoelfir> I think about swapping disks in my NAS, but I don't want to spend the money and I also don't want to take the time to rebuild 14TB of Raid5, split in 3 RAIDs
16:39:49 <Lemon> ho shit no
16:40:03 <Lemon> doing so with my workstation with like half of that is a pain already
16:40:49 <Lemon> you know we got three people working on our house those days
16:40:55 <Lemon> one of them is a 18 y.o dude
16:41:06 <Lemon> and man, on of his boss, who's an ex military
16:41:18 <Lemon> is using him as a hmm how to say it
16:41:23 <Lemon> he just pass his nerves on him
16:41:31 <Lemon> totally without reasons
16:41:35 <Lemon> just because he's angry
16:41:54 <Lemon> and this little dude just shut up, and do his work, say nothing to defend himself
16:42:00 <Lemon> he's really tough
16:42:39 <Lemon> but this morning I talked a bit with him and he was crying a bit, saying he already got nothing, no parents, his sisters/brothers are dead to him, and this guy is pissing on him everyday since a few weeks because he got some problems at home
16:42:48 <Lemon> and god I can't say how it makes me angry
16:44:40 <Ysjoelfir> I absolutely understand that. As you are the customer, I personally would go to that guy, when you see that the next time, and tell him to shut the fuck off if he wants to keep on working, as you don't support him treating his workmates like that
16:45:27 <Lemon> well you know this kid is living in one of them houses, so its harder than that, this guy isnt a bad guy, he just got issues and he's losing control
16:45:34 <Lemon> but the other boss is talking to him
16:45:39 <Lemon> he wont let that go on
16:45:55 <Lemon> but I wont let it go on either
16:46:00 <Lemon> this poor guy already got a tough life
16:46:14 <Ysjoelfir> exactly.
16:48:21 <Lemon> on another subject !
16:48:33 <Lemon> look at what I spotted https://www.ebay.fr/itm/GENERAL-RADIO-COMPANY-1422-CB-PRECISION-CAPACITOR/184307236210?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649
16:48:44 <Lemon> do you think no one will bid ?
16:48:52 <Lemon> if not, damn that would been a hella deal
16:49:58 <Ysjoelfir> https://www.hella.com/ ?
16:50:01 <Ysjoelfir> :P
16:50:08 <Lemon> exactly !
16:50:11 <Ysjoelfir> But yeah, it looks nice :) but I don't have the place
16:50:29 <Lemon> UK !
16:50:50 <Lemon> im mostly interested by the capacitor itself but the device it in it looks interesting
16:50:56 <Lemon> looks like some sort of bridge ?
16:50:58 <Lemon> but it looks weird
16:51:09 <Lemon> this thing is still produced and cost 12k euros !
16:51:18 <Lemon> used ones are around 1k+
16:51:24 <Lemon> just the cap
16:51:49 <Lemon> I think its accurate to 0.01% or something like this and ultra stable
16:51:56 <Lemon> and its variable, from 50 to 1100pf
16:52:53 <Ysjoelfir> well, used metrology of that class isn't very much sought after I assume. my company wouldn't buy used precision gear...
16:53:38 <Lemon> in fact it is ! especially genrad stuff, as they know their history, and besides history once they aged they are ultra stable
16:54:49 <Ysjoelfir> I personally know about the benefits, and I would get stuff like that, but from a companys point of view I can kind of see why you could be sceptical. was it overloaded? is it stable under all operating conditions? and so on
16:54:54 <Lemon> the worlds standard for capacitor is still a 1960 bridge
16:55:11 <Lemon> well I think you can quickly tell if it is
16:55:21 <Lemon> and I guess air capacitors are kinda tough ?
16:56:22 <Ysjoelfir> if old variable caps from radios are any indicator... yes, they are
16:56:46 <Lemon> I kinda wonder if its possible to damage them electricaly
16:56:51 <Lemon> and how are their tempcos
16:56:58 <Lemon> I have a few of them, from radios
16:57:05 <Ysjoelfir> in my internship we used (way to) high voltage from our CRT regeneration device to burn any impurities away :D
16:57:38 <Ysjoelfir> like "hmm... its scratching... there are some conductive residues somewhere. lets just blast it with 30kV"
16:58:25 <Lemon> I see :P how were you producine such voltage ?
16:59:19 <Lemon> producing
16:59:48 <Ysjoelfir> using the trusty old Müter
17:00:29 <Lemon> M-umlaut-ter ? :P
17:05:20 <hsn93> i've no idea how to write stuff to lcd but managed to scroll it up .. :(
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17:09:38 <hsn93> https://photos.app.goo.gl/VHfE4LGRNoZhGfXU9 :>
17:09:49 <hsn93> what is it called touchy hand ?
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17:35:48 <Lemon> hey Ysjoelfir I told you that when I was having fun measuring some chinese 1% resistors, I found two that were exceeding my meters specs ? :P
17:36:03 <Lemon> if I trust it 100%, they are close to 0.001% ! thats funny
17:59:16 <Ysjoelfir> re. soprry, had an impromptu meeting x.x
17:59:40 <Ysjoelfir> thats realy nice :) but how stable are those?
18:00:11 <hsn93> woh somthing worked :)
18:00:14 <Ysjoelfir> hsn - nice xD seems to work
18:00:15 <hsn93> i've no idea how
18:02:48 <hsn93> https://photos.app.goo.gl/bLCYxCdxAHLBb91B9
18:02:51 <hsn93> :>
18:03:30 <Ysjoelfir> cool :D
18:03:38 <Ysjoelfir> next task: space invaders!
18:03:43 <hsn93> xD
18:04:15 <hsn93> first need to know how did it work .. then i dont know how to program games :'(
18:24:24 <K> hello
18:25:19 <Lemon> Ysjoelfir stable like chinese noname resistors haha
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18:26:41 <Ysjoelfir> that sounds like not at all stable :D
18:27:14 <Lemon> yeah not the best xD but its funny to find such close tolerances in a batch of 1% !
18:27:21 <Lemon> there was many 0.01% too
18:28:16 <Ysjoelfir> I assume the chinese don't realy bother to select them, too. I heard the same good results for 5% batches once.
18:28:23 <K> well, any resistor can be very prcise, if you control temperature well enough
18:29:34 <Lemon> yeah true
18:29:48 <Lemon> I want to be able to characterize them by building some sort of over
18:29:49 <Lemon> oven
18:29:56 <Lemon> with peltier modules or whatever
18:30:37 <Ysjoelfir> I have a microwave oven with quartz heaters in the top. I still want to rebuild that thing to be useable as a reflow oven and thermal chamber someday
18:31:19 <Lemon> heh that would be neat
18:31:31 <Lemon> btw do you thing that a shielded box would help measuring resistors ?
18:31:38 <Lemon> fto get a more stable result ?
18:32:37 <hsn93> hello K
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18:33:39 <hsn93> K, the lcd worked when i do put command (read/modify/write) before setting page and column address..
18:34:02 <hsn93> but i dont know why is that . T_T
18:36:43 <K> well, you are setting page and column to lcd's controller before writing pixel data. sorta makes sense for me
18:45:24 <hsn93> https://www.instagram.com/p/CA5xwhQhU28/?igshid=1eit14gknb2j9
18:46:18 <hsn93> K: ---> https://snipboard.io/LQnJZj.jpg
18:47:19 <hsn93> and i used to set page and column for each data write ..
18:49:13 <hsn93> and now it does work without RMW :) wtf
18:59:22 <K> https://www.lcd-module.de/eng/pdf/zubehoer/st7565r.pdf
18:59:24 <K> page 43
19:00:41 <K> "Read-Modify-Write" swtiches lcd controller to mode with automatic column adress increment on new data sent
19:00:54 <K> and "End" exits this mode
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19:08:08 <hsn93> it actually works without RMW .. still there more to invistigate appearantly .. maybe i was addressing columns by address and it doesnt like that .. maybe it want to right page by page ..
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19:48:45 <TakeABreath> hey lemon
19:55:25 <TakeABreath> what u doing in my screen :> https://photos.app.goo.gl/jFPvv6AkLDQghRba9
19:55:49 <Ysjoelfir> hah :D
19:56:20 <TakeABreath> i like GIMP .. it exports c header file from images <3
20:05:47 <Ysjoelfir> For general Image stuff I learned to value Affinity :)
20:11:07 <TakeABreath> first time i hear about it
20:17:29 <Ysjoelfir> its basically adobe in cheap and with somehow less features. but I never felt like I missed anything. I would say it's basically on the level of photoshop CS 3 or CS4, but für 30€.
20:18:45 <TakeABreath> ah
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20:19:45 <Ysjoelfir> https://affinity.serif.com/de/
20:19:55 <Ysjoelfir> 50% discount right
20:21:41 <K> is it good for pixel fiddling?
20:21:47 <K> like in 800% zoom
20:24:06 <hsn> K, how to transorm bitmap without holes ? :)
20:25:17 <hsn> like if i scaled a matrix in (x scale matrix) it will leave pixels unconnected in the result matrix ?
20:26:34 <K> do you want to do in on the mcu?
20:26:56 <Ysjoelfir> K - lett me try
20:29:54 <Ysjoelfir> I would say yes
20:30:28 <Ysjoelfir> but they have a free trial period, just try it. I like the software very much
20:30:57 <K> i will
20:31:16 <K> i've been suffering a prehistoric version of paintbrush
20:32:30 <Ysjoelfir> I used my (legal!) Photoshop 7 before, but that was unusable since win10. it had some strange rendering issues
20:33:44 <Ysjoelfir> However, it's time for lunch. cu later :)
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20:49:34 <Lemon> takeabreath :O
20:49:44 <Lemon> its actually my avatar picture on some forums
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21:06:56 <coppice> What is FTTN? Fibre To The Nasty green box?
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21:07:57 <coppice> The great Google in the web says Fibre ToThe Node
21:10:00 <K> it is ar risky proposition to include letter f in any acronym, let alone start with it
21:10:24 <coppice> All the Fibre To The <somethings> have this issue
21:10:48 <coppice> I miss having FTTL - fibre to the lounge
21:15:04 <DogWomble> well turns out my old hdmi cable i was using on my second monitor is dying :) that spare cable i bought ages ago and never used has now gone into production
21:16:38 <Ysjoelfir> Strangely enough I am just thinking about FTTWTFAIDATIWTETBR
21:16:49 <K> how can hdmi cable die?
21:17:26 <coppice> K: do you have some immortal cables?
21:17:28 <Ysjoelfir> K - Cutting, Melting, Atomic Explosions, Non-atomic explosions, ripping in halve, being digested,....
21:17:31 <DogWomble> i don't know, i was starting to get some weird colour artefacts, swapping the cable fixed it
21:17:55 <K> i have immoral cables
21:18:21 <coppice> Wow. Can anyone else access this technology?
21:18:42 <K> no, restricted.
21:19:06 * DogWomble wonders whether he should ship his cablign across state lines for immoral porpoises
21:19:10 <coppice> Actually, I do have immoral cables. I trust them, and they let me down
21:19:40 <K> deep down every cable is of questionable moral fibre, yes
21:20:14 <DogWomble> or maybe some questionable moral copper
21:20:56 <K> oh, look at mr-im-so-rich-i-have-copper-in-my-cables
21:21:15 <K> while rest of us slog along with god knows what clad aluminium cores :|
21:21:47 <DogWomble> at least you spelt it right :)
21:21:51 <DogWomble> damn americans and their aluminum
21:22:16 <K> it turns out we got taught uk english in school
21:22:16 <coppice> commodity prices will crash. We WILL have copper cables again
21:22:44 <coppice> K: That's English
21:24:41 <Ysjoelfir> Aluminuminum!
21:25:04 <DogWomble> Alumininomnomnom
21:25:04 <K> aluminomnom
21:25:10 <K> bhaha
21:25:48 <DogWomble> I omnnomnominate Aluminium as the nommiest of all the metals
21:25:50 <coppice> and the minimalist aluminimum
21:27:35 <K> it's a bit chewy
21:29:10 <hsn> K, why not scaling bitmap on mcu would animate logo scale up or somthing like that ? :)
21:34:21 <K> pain
21:34:45 <K> if there is a lib for that, cool, but writing it by hand would be pain
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22:10:34 <Ampera> coppice, obviously you've never had FttPenis
22:10:39 <Ampera> It's a riveting experience.
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22:24:06 <Lemon> someone said 'any resistor can be quite accurate as long as you manage temperature' and it got me thinking
22:24:44 <Lemon> we could make some nice references, by cherry picking some 1% 15ppm/C resistors, taking the better ones, and making some sort of oven that balance the temperature
22:25:09 <Lemon> thats 1.5ppm/0.1C
22:25:14 <Lemon> thats manageable honestly
22:26:59 <Lemon> I wonder whats the easiest way to build an oven
22:27:04 <Lemon> controlling it shouldnt be hard at all
22:27:23 <K> why, another resistor
22:27:42 <Lemon> well yes but it needs to be the most accurate possible
22:27:54 <Lemon> -most +as
22:27:54 <K> for the oven, just use another resistor!
22:28:02 <K> and for temp control - another one!
22:28:04 <Lemon> heh
22:28:07 <Lemon> :O
22:28:38 <K> well, as sensor, for some controller
22:29:29 <Lemon> but its a really nice idea I want to do
22:29:46 <Lemon> what if I could build a nice really stable resistor standard for cheap ?
22:30:19 <Lemon> that would be really neat
22:32:15 * Ampera squeezes Lemon
22:32:18 <Ampera> how do fren
22:32:26 <Lemon> ayeee well ok fren and yu fren
22:32:38 <Ampera> yawn
22:32:39 <K> ferns everywhere
22:32:40 <Ampera> existential
22:32:50 <Ysjoelfir> Re - again, third impromptu meeting this day. x.x
22:32:53 <Ampera> K, with jokes like that you should just leaf
22:33:05 <Lemon> re re
22:33:10 * Ampera hugs Ysjoelfir
22:33:12 <Lemon> hey Ysjoelfir watcha think about my idea ?
22:33:13 <Ampera> hallo
22:36:06 <K> wrt to trimming resistors with varying their temp - i have this hare-brained idea on making a r2r dac like that
22:36:13 <Ysjoelfir> Hi ampera :)
22:36:20 <Ysjoelfir> Lemon, your ideas are always great!
22:36:51 <Lemon> awww
22:36:52 <K> with discrete ladder that is
22:36:57 <Lemon> but but, like doable you think ?
22:37:08 <Lemon> the goal is to build a nice resistor standard for not too much money
22:38:38 <K> and while doing a discrete ladder, also do it with clean +10/-10V rails for better snr
22:38:56 <Ysjoelfir> well, to answer the doable part I should read what I missed :D
22:39:24 <Lemon> building an oven to temp/trim a cherry picked resistors
22:39:26 <Lemon> -s
22:39:37 <Lemon> from a 1% 15ppm/C batch for example
22:40:40 <Ysjoelfir> that should be doable. not neccessary the best approach for stable resistors, but it should be cheap if you don't count labor
22:41:08 <Lemon> yeah I dont mind the labor, I planned to take a batch, find the best one like 0.005% or better
22:41:22 <Lemon> then use whatever controller, that part will be easy
22:41:28 <Lemon> but how to build the little oven idk
22:41:33 <Lemon> like those in OCXO's
22:41:52 <Lemon> what would you do instead ? when you say not necessary the best approach
22:41:54 <K> well, brute bang-bang controller will be too rough imho
22:42:47 <K> but propper pid controllers is a whole lot of cans of worms
22:43:50 <K> ideally you'd want something with feedforward from ambient temp sensor
22:44:10 <Ysjoelfir> well, the best approach is obviously to not have it drift with temperature in the first place^^
22:44:32 <K> build a hous!
22:44:35 <K> house!
22:44:39 <Lemon> ha well yes in a perfect world :> I just want to keep it to like 23C, if its at that temp that its 'perfect'
22:44:46 <Ysjoelfir> regarding the heater - why not just use another resistor? or even a wire loop around the resistor?
22:44:57 <K> or dig a very deeep hole in the ground and store it there
22:45:06 <Lemon> I also need a little box
22:45:13 <Lemon> to keep it from variations
22:45:17 <Lemon> and shield it, too
22:45:32 <K> burry it deep, lemon
22:45:36 <K> will be const temp
22:47:34 <Ampera> Lemon, build me a REN booster and I'll buy you a lemon tree
22:49:13 <Lemon> I dont know what is a REN in the first place
22:50:25 <Ampera> Lemon, I need you to be able to generate a strong-ish 80v 20Hz AC signal when a similar, but weaker signal comes in, but only when it comes in
22:50:52 <Ampera> such that when a phone line rings, but with a low power, a new signal is generated and sent to the other end, but when there is no ringing the connection is patched straight through
22:51:24 <Ampera> I thought about trying to use some sort of capacitor backed relay to enable an RLC circuit
22:51:28 <Ampera> but I'm lazy and stupid
22:54:00 <Ampera> maybe I'll mess around in a circuit simulator and see what I get
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22:59:21 <Lemon> heh that could be an interesting thing to do you should try it !
23:04:23 <Lemon> Ysjoelfir btw im thinking, tempco rating doesnt matter too much in fact, even 50ppm/C resistors would work no ?
23:04:28 <Lemon> it shouldnt be too high
23:04:30 <Lemon> but still
23:05:17 <Ysjoelfir> well, the lower you go the lazyer you can get controlling the temperature
23:05:34 <Lemon> yeah but between 15 or 50 it wont be too much of an issue I think
23:05:54 <Lemon> and if I cherry pick them
23:06:02 <Lemon> I might find some with better tempcos
23:06:13 <K> Lemon, do you care that it is specific value or that it does not change?
23:06:17 <Ysjoelfir> well... you could also try to use two seperate resistive materials with opposite tempcos
23:06:33 <Ysjoelfir> thats what we did in a reference grade power analyzer
23:06:36 <K> he could go full peltier
23:06:42 <Lemon> well I want for example, a 10k 0.005% or better one at 23C, then control temp to keep it close to that
23:06:58 <K> i see.
23:07:04 <Lemon> I found a few better than that in some chinese 1% ones
23:07:14 <Lemon> so if I get better quality 1% ones with 25/50ppm/C
23:07:20 <Lemon> it should be doable to find nice specimens
23:07:26 <Ysjoelfir> two hand picked low tempco resistors, one with positive and one with negative tempco, as well as another one with high tempco but low value to compensate for copper resistance
23:07:48 <Lemon> hmmm that sounds harder, as I'd need to characterize many
23:12:21 <Ysjoelfir> well, as I said, we did that approach for a reference grade power analyzer. that thing was like.... I dunno, let me check
23:12:37 <Ysjoelfir> 192.000€ + Tax + Shipping
23:13:05 <Lemon> cheap stuff !
23:14:47 <Ysjoelfir> isn't it?
23:15:19 <coppice> Ysjoelfir: what does reference grade mean?
23:17:01 <Ysjoelfir> power analyzers we sell to the states metrological institutes
23:17:09 <Ysjoelfir> or to very very rich customers
23:17:40 <coppice> yes, but its a very vague term, that says nothing about its performance
23:17:50 <Lemon> its hard to be that accurate measuring power no ? like hitting 0.1% of accuracy for several KW
23:18:23 <coppice> Its easy to get to 0.1%. Not too hard to get to 0.01%. Then it gets really problematic
23:18:39 <Lemon> even on thousands of watts ?
23:18:56 <coppice> the actual power level doesn't really make it harder
23:21:21 <Ysjoelfir> oh, you were asking for accuracies. well, the power level makes in so far harder, that the used current converters have a unvertainty themselves, which gets bigger the more power you need.
23:21:59 <coppice> The thing is for 0.01% you can use really good parts throughout the chain, and the sum of their errors can be better than 0.01%. For greater accuracy you need to get tricky.
23:22:16 <Ysjoelfir> regarding the accuracies - our normal device is specified as 0.025% from DC to 10 MHz. the Reference Grade version I have to look up. one moment.
23:22:47 <Lemon> btw the old one you have, you still plan to sell it ? :>
23:28:13 <Ysjoelfir> coppice - I can't find the specs for the newest model right now, but for the previous model, which is from 1995 and is still used in metrological institutes. standard specs are 0.1% for DC to 100kHz. The Reference Grade one has 45 to 65 Hz: 0.003% for voltage and current, 0.005% for active power, DC to 45 and above 65 Hz: 0.08% for voltage and current, 0.01% for active power.
23:28:20 <Ysjoelfir> Lemon - yes, I think I will.
23:28:47 <Lemon> thats tight specs !
23:28:57 <Lemon> im quite interested, if the price isnt sky high :>
23:29:13 <coppice> Lemon: That's a pretty normal spec
23:29:37 <K> prolly because there are no 112383 Lemons looking for this stuff
23:31:45 <Ysjoelfir> oh, missed a 0 there. 0.008% obviously.
23:32:12 <Ysjoelfir> would be strange if active power would be more accurate than voltage and current....
23:32:26 <Lemon> coppice look up some power analyzers, usually specs aint that tight, theres some that are that accurate ofc but you gotta pay a high price
23:33:46 <coppice> Lemon: no power analyser is cheap. They usually start at about 0.1%, but most makers have models that reach at least 0.01%
23:34:08 <Lemon> yeah but its not much higher I think
23:34:29 <Ysjoelfir> also keep in mind that this is the 1995 model. the current model is better, but I can't find the specs right now
23:36:47 <coppice> In 1995 you had to achieve those figures with lots of ranges. Now you can do it in fewer steps
23:39:52 <Lord_of_nothing> Hi
23:39:55 <hsn> K, im having problem with the libraries when i try (partial update) i suspect that i cant update (half page) do u have idea with such LCDs ?
23:40:56 <K> hello lordy
23:40:57 <Lord_of_nothing> @Ysjoelfir where are you from?
23:41:35 <K> hsn, no ideas such short description
23:41:39 <K> from
23:41:46 <Ysjoelfir> I'm from germany, Lord_of_nothing. why?
23:41:56 <Ysjoelfir> coppice: thats true, the modern device has less ranges
23:42:20 <Lord_of_nothing> um steuern zu sparen kann man die ware ja wo anders hin schicken und mit den minivan hin fahren und abholen
23:42:37 <coppice> Why are so many power measurement businesses German?
23:42:37 <Ampera> ew germans
23:42:38 <Ampera> I hate germans
23:42:40 <Ysjoelfir> :O Tax fraud!
23:42:46 <Lord_of_nothing> und?
23:42:53 <hsn> K, to provide effciency libraries update a box inside the LCD .. they dont update all the LCD buffer ..
23:43:54 <Ysjoelfir> coppice - are they? I think most of the "old" german power analyzer manufacturers are almost dead right now. Hioki, Yokogawa and.. well... we, are way too strong.
23:45:00 <coppice> Ysjoelfir: Hioki and Yokagawa are more power meter makers, and not particularly high accuracy ones.
23:45:26 <coppice> Kikusui is a really analyzer maker
23:46:29 <Ysjoelfir> thats true, but they are competition in that the customer usually has some yokogawa stuff and doesn't want to change brands, so those are what we have to fight
23:46:41 <coppice> I can't remember seeing a Hioki in real world use. Yokogawa, Chroma and Voltech (now Tek) are everywhere
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23:49:25 <Ysjoelfir> cu later guys :)
23:49:31 <Ampera> ciao
23:49:31 Quit: Ysjoelfir ([email protected]) Quit: Farvel og har en hyggelige tid :)
23:51:24 <hsn> guys we are trying to do custom quick connect .. what do u think of this: https://photos.app.goo.gl/stZPBJTtXLVWqJyJ8
23:51:37 <hsn> and what process do u suggest to do such things for prototype
23:59:46 <hsn> we think to this by swaging
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