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00:00:01 <Lemon> ha yeah, true too
00:00:32 <Lemon> well I can modify it I guess
00:00:59 <hsn993> d0-d7 is data bus
00:01:14 <Lemon> those those are necessary right ?
00:01:24 <Lemon> it seems theres no dedicated pins to touchscreen
00:01:32 <Ampera> I got very close to being able to buy a oneplus 8 pro at a reasonable price
00:01:35 <Ampera> as I was about to import one from Germany
00:01:49 <Lemon> ampera please, the s20 already !
00:01:51 <hsn993> i dont know what is this lcd is it 8080 or serial interface .. the information in the description is conflicting ..
00:01:54 <Ampera> but for some stupid reason, it supported every single band that I needed for cellular EXCEPT n71 which is the only 5G band I can use
00:02:09 <Ampera> Lemon, the S20 I want is 1600USD and is worse than the 1000 dollar oneplus 8 pro
00:02:21 <Lemon> ha I thought you had it !
00:02:26 <Ampera> No I canceled the order
00:02:34 <Ampera> because I didn't think I was getting good value for money
00:02:42 <Ampera> and they were also taking ages to ship the damn thing
00:03:07 <hsn993> lemon as per table , u need them , as per code u dont need them
00:03:15 <canadaguest> theres only one kind of cellphone I could like and I don't think anyone makes one so I'm not going to complain :)
00:03:33 <Ampera> I want the best possible smartphone I can get
00:03:39 <Lemon> what do you mean per table ? hsn993
00:03:41 <Ampera> and I can't find a smartphone better than the Oneplus 8 Pro
00:03:43 <hsn993> for the sd card its to store images ..
00:03:45 <Lemon> ampera I think you are right
00:03:49 <hsn993> probably
00:03:59 <Lemon> for me, phones over 500 are already quite expensive, and dont offer a ton
00:04:02 <canadaguest> ampera well I have a bit different kind of requirement due to the geography here
00:04:02 <hsn993> table = LCD Interface Definitions: in the description
00:04:03 <Ampera> but they sold out of them 10 minutes after launch 2 months ago and haven't had a single one in stock since
00:04:17 <Lemon> I dont buy phones over 200 euros and only used for more bang/buck
00:04:20 <Lemon> but I can understand the appeal
00:04:26 <Ampera> I want working 5G, I want 120Hz, and I want the best performance
00:04:43 <Lemon> hsn993 ha yeah but technically
00:04:49 <Lemon> I can define only the one I need ?
00:05:01 <canadaguest> ampera you might go "uhh, are you even mentally sane?" at me but you want hear what I would had liked tho? :)
00:05:23 <Ampera> canadaguest, there are very few phones you could want to buy I'd consider you mentally insane for buying
00:05:37 <canadaguest> umm heh? :P
00:05:44 <Ampera> which phone
00:06:43 <hsn993> what do u mean lemon
00:07:09 <Lemon> well I see theres a code in the description, it seems to define every pins, can I define only the needed ones to free space ?
00:07:45 <hsn993> lemon, ... hmmm let me explain
00:08:33 <hsn993> there are different type of lcd controller interface .. one that has whats called parallel bus method to transfer data ..
00:08:42 <hsn993> another has "serial" which need much less pins ..
00:08:51 <hsn993> so depends on the board and controller what u have ..
00:09:01 <canadaguest> sat/gsm or optionally sat/gsm/4g in term of modem(s) inside it, long-term battery, 3-5" matte screen (character or full graphic I don't have a preference on), esim would sound nice but a standard sim slot is still ok with me too tho
00:09:16 <hsn993> from the table its like (parralel type) boaord .. from the code which has (functions SPI) its like serial
00:09:27 <hsn993> the serial communication will need much less pins
00:09:58 <Lemon> hmmm ok k
00:10:04 <Lemon> I think I kinda understand
00:10:49 <hsn993> from the pictures and labels of pins
00:11:34 <hsn993> u need the ones with prefix LCD .. d0-d7 going to any digital io
00:11:42 <Lemon> SM245TS on the chips
00:12:18 <Lemon> ok so the SD pins I dont need to wire them up
00:13:03 <hsn993> if u want u can take other lcd module
00:13:14 <hsn993> there are others with i2c or spi which will save u pins
00:13:24 <Lemon> well I got this one, so I dont want to wait 2 more weeks you see
00:13:31 <Lemon> if I can get 4 pins
00:13:36 <Lemon> like the 4 for SD
00:13:39 <Lemon> that will be fine
00:13:45 <hsn993> ok, yes u dont need to wire SD
00:13:59 <Lemon> I need one to connect the ADC multi channel module
00:14:06 <Lemon> then the 3 others probably for a few buttons
00:14:55 <Lemon> im a bit dumb, usually I look at everything
00:15:04 <Lemon> but I just checked if it was compatible with a uno
00:15:07 <Lemon> sure it is
00:15:25 <hsn993> u've to look at everything :)
00:15:42 <Lemon> yeah I do that for every freaking thing xd idk why I skipped on this
00:16:08 <hsn993> just stack it on the uno
00:16:10 <hsn993> xD
00:16:10 <Lemon> https://www.ebay.fr/itm/ADS1256-24-Bit-8-Channel-ADC-AD-Module-High-Precision-Data-Acquisition-Card-BSG/122917917245?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649
00:16:16 <Lemon> I'll use that
00:19:39 <Lemon> heee I fear theres more pins needed
00:19:43 <Lemon> I dont remember
00:19:53 <canadaguest> k, and about breads. I'll have a little for my lunch soon. plus also a bit of kugloff (choco-bread loaf thing)
00:21:55 <Ampera> canadaguest, I don't know why that's insane
00:22:06 <Ampera> I mean sat phones are expensive as all heck, and I believe still chonky
00:22:08 <hsn993> lemon do u have some sort of serial to parallel chip
00:22:15 <Ampera> but if you live out in bumblefuck canada, that'd make sense
00:22:31 <Ampera> hsn993, they call those shift registers
00:22:33 <Lemon> I have a bin of IC's from my father, but I dont know precisely what I have
00:22:41 <Lemon> I do have some shift registers
00:22:42 <Ampera> or multiplexers, depending on what you mean exactly
00:22:49 <Lemon> but never got to wrap my head around those fuckers
00:23:09 <hsn993> yeah ampera ^
00:23:11 <canadaguest> ampera not really. the main cost is upfront but on a monthly basis its pretty cheap
00:23:19 <hsn993> or io expander
00:23:48 <hsn993> lemon u can use these to get rid of the d0-d7 to one pin
00:24:12 <Lemon> true I thought about that but goddamn, I never managed to get the logic
00:24:36 <Lemon> but that would save my day
00:25:13 <hsn993> get into it and it will save a lot of days :P
00:27:05 <Lemon> thats true yeah lol
00:27:09 <Lemon> for the inputs
00:27:19 <Lemon> I plan to use the adc module as differential outputs
00:27:22 <Lemon> it can do that
00:27:29 <Lemon> and use a simple voltage divider
00:27:39 <Lemon> for either 50V max, or 100V I havent decided yet
00:27:47 <Lemon> I have some nice 0.1% 15ppm/C resistors for that
00:28:03 <Lemon> I know I need some protection but well I'll be careful
00:28:10 <Lemon> I can always add it later
00:28:15 <Lemon> or maybe now if I have the parts
00:28:31 <canadaguest> lemon dc and/or ac?
00:28:37 <Lemon> only DC
00:28:45 <Lemon> with an accuracy to the mV
00:28:50 <Lemon> and resolution to 100uV maybe
00:29:01 <Lemon> its mostly to measure power supplies, or stuff like that on my bench
00:29:03 <Lemon> and monitor them
00:29:09 <canadaguest> dc hmm I would have to say 50v max won't matter then
00:29:14 <Lemon> or things where I dont want to block my good dmms on it
00:29:25 <canadaguest> although hmm I don't know how much over 50v a typical 48v battery harness could get to tho
00:29:27 <Lemon> 100V max would be good, even if I'd rarely need it
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00:32:01 <Ysjoelfir> hello
00:32:34 <hsn993> hi there
00:33:17 <canadaguest> ysjoe so did you get drunk yet? :P
00:33:54 <Ysjoelfir> no. I just came home.
00:34:01 <Lemon> wb !
00:34:03 <Ysjoelfir> but getting drunk is a good idea
00:34:10 <hsn993> no its not
00:34:15 <Ysjoelfir> it is
00:34:30 <hsn993> last time u slept while walking
00:34:46 <hsn993> do u remember ?
00:35:00 <Ysjoelfir> that happenes sometimes
00:35:06 <hsn993> its not good idea
00:37:27 <canadaguest> no? so why were you pissed? :P
00:37:47 <Ysjoelfir> its a great idea
00:38:59 <Lemon> theres a brand of push buttons I really like called shadow, if im right
00:39:09 <Lemon> https://www.ebay.fr/itm/5Pcs-Black-PB86-A0-Small-Cap-4Pin-Momentary-PCB-SPDT-Square-Push-Button-Switch/153422607776?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649
00:39:18 <Lemon> I bought some clones, and well they are really neat I must say
00:39:36 <hsn993> ysjoelfir im not going to carry u on my shoulder this time :>
00:42:03 <Ysjoelfir> well, I*'m pissed because SWMBOs health insurence was like "hey, we noticed that we have paid you too much money for your medical supplies for the last three years since we made a mistake, so now we want you to pay back 2700€ now, since we are certain that you knew that the amount was wrong!"
00:42:38 <Ysjoelfir> Lemon - I know those from "the ancient time" - great ones, but hard to justify nowadays because of their size and design
00:42:46 <Ysjoelfir> hsn993 - oh come on :( do me the favor
00:43:01 <Lemon> I think they are nice for things like multimeters like I'll do
00:43:07 <Lemon> datron use them I think
00:44:28 <Ysjoelfir> yes they did
00:46:43 <K> Lemon, yeah, those are nice
00:46:52 <K> i managed to get some with leds in them
00:47:02 <K> hm, i think those are the same
00:53:43 <Lemon> I bought the two yeah
00:53:47 <Lemon> 5 with leds 5 without :>
00:53:59 <Lemon> for the price they really feel like old ones
00:54:13 <Lemon> ok lets see which part I'll take for the vape now
00:55:31 <Lemon> if I use a tfv16 with my invader 3, it will be a bit weird because its 22mm large vs 28
00:55:36 <Lemon> but not a big deal I think
00:57:21 <Lemon> but I trust tfv's, I loved the 8
00:57:28 <Lemon> and they say the 16 is one of the best, and its cheap
00:57:34 <Lemon> and I dont want to buy another box, mine is perfect
01:00:37 <Ysjoelfir> no idea what i have
01:02:04 <Lemon> well she seems to work just fine
01:02:12 <Lemon> and I like its style
01:02:18 <Lemon> its not 'hey look at me I vape'
01:02:44 <Lemon> its also pretty sturdy
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01:06:43 <hsn993> bye
01:16:27 <Ysjoelfir> where are you going hsn993?
01:23:51 <Lemon> https://www.lepetitvapoteur.com/fr/clearomiseur-pod/6920-clearomiseur-tfv16-smok.html
01:24:02 <Lemon> good thing its on a french website, with free shipping over 30 euros
01:24:43 <Lemon> my box is black, I think im taking it in gold or rainbow :> for the sw4g
01:29:29 <Lemon> I just want to be sure if its compatible
01:29:31 <Lemon> I think it is
01:35:12 <K> ew, smoking
01:35:26 <canadaguest> mm think I'm going to see about my lunch already so bye for now :->
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01:35:34 <K> bye canada
01:35:36 <K> ah.
01:35:41 <Lemon> vaping ! pfffff
01:35:44 <Lemon> pfffrttt
01:35:52 <Lemon> well its mostly to stop smoking a bit
01:35:58 <Lemon> totally would be nice but heh
01:36:01 <Lemon> cant predict the future
01:43:36 <Lemon> ha shit now you have to buy nicotine separately
01:43:39 <Lemon> what a bullshit
02:00:58 <Ysjoelfir> oh, did they ban that in france, too?
02:01:02 <Lemon> 56 euros for the tfv16 liquid tank, two additionnal resistors, a 50ml bottle of juice + some nicotine
02:01:30 <Lemon> it seems yeah when I vaped a few years ago you could buy some base with the amount of nicotine you wanted, and just add the flavour
02:03:47 <Lemon> I measured some resistors I received for the input divider, theres a lot of them which are better than 0.025%
02:03:49 <Lemon> thats great
02:04:10 <Lemon> well in fact it doesnt matter
02:04:17 <Lemon> thats tempco after all
02:07:45 <Lemon> Ysjoelfir thats the case in germany too ? you buy the juice, and simply add nicotine if needed ?
02:08:02 <Lemon> I liked 3mg/ml when vaping at 100w+
02:08:46 <Ysjoelfir> yes, thats the way you do it here
02:09:13 <Lemon> alright I guess adding a 10ml 20mg to a 50ml juice bottle will do the trick, it should be around 3.3-5mg/ml
02:09:37 <Lemon> https://www.lepetitvapoteur.com/fr/twelve-monkey-vapor-co/4633-kanzi-twelve-monkeys-50-ml.html
02:09:40 <Lemon> this one looks nice
02:09:48 <Lemon> twelve monkeys is a good brand if I remember right
02:10:05 <Ysjoelfir> I think I heard of that one
02:10:25 <Ysjoelfir> I'm pretty happy that I don't need nicotine. I just enjoy the flavour and the fumes
02:10:37 <Lemon> I never tried without nicotine
02:10:40 <Lemon> but well I might try
02:10:45 <Lemon> I admit I still want that hit
02:11:05 <Lemon> 20 euros for 50ml sounds good ?
02:12:38 <Ysjoelfir> thats a bit more than I paid the last time, but they added smoking tax to it recently, so I assume it'll be more expensive now, too
02:12:47 <Lemon> yeah I see
02:12:53 <Lemon> anyway theres free shipping and stuff
02:13:00 <Ysjoelfir> maybe I should dig around to find my e-cigarette and the liquids...
02:13:01 <Lemon> the other things I want are pretty cheap
02:13:13 <Lemon> that tfv16 is really nice and cheap for what it is
02:13:18 <Lemon> I paid much more for the v8 back then
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02:19:25 <Ysjoelfir> I still have no idea what mine is
02:19:28 <Ysjoelfir> or where it is
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02:23:06 <Lemon> https://www.ebay.fr/itm/General-Radio-Genrad-1657-RLC-Digibridge-LCR-Meter/114187653137?hash=item1a961d5011:g:2OYAAOSwNBlelqvH
02:23:16 <Lemon> that would be a nice thing to quickly test various components
02:27:21 <Lemon> he sells a nice datron 7.5 digits for 580 euros too :>
02:27:41 <Lemon> but the more I look into it, the more I think 6.5 digits dmm offer the best compromise
02:28:06 <Lemon> as the LSD of 7.5 or even 8.5 is often there for relative measurements only
02:28:28 <Lemon> and I cant justify to spend that much money only for that
02:28:40 <Lemon> well I could spend 500 bucks if I had them on a really good deal
02:28:45 <Lemon> but I dont have them right now
02:29:02 <Lemon> and that would be only if thats an insane deal and I love the thing, and I dont need anything else
02:29:16 <Lemon> I want an electrometer, the power analyzer you might sell me, maybe an impedance bridge etc
02:29:39 <Lemon> my lab isnt complete yet :> it probably never will, but it reached a state already where I dont get new instruments every 2 days like some months ago :P
02:30:56 <DHess_US> I've given up on chemistry jokes. They never produce a reaction.
02:31:23 <Lemon> and the great David appears !
02:32:18 <Ysjoelfir> who?
02:32:35 <Ysjoelfir> Heh, that one made me chuckle, DHess_US
02:32:38 <K> aand im done.
02:32:40 <K> byee
02:32:44 <Lemon> I wrote down a question for you, if you dont mind : I want to build a little box, to charaterize resistors, I have a diy thermometer with lmt70 sensors, but I can plug whatever I want to it, like a thermistor for example. How would you do it ? a simple metal hammond box ?
02:32:44 <Ysjoelfir> nooooooooo
02:32:47 <Ysjoelfir> staaaaaaay K
02:32:55 <Lemon> with maybe a big resistor to heat the other one ?
02:33:05 <K> cant, have to go eat with so
02:33:16 <Ysjoelfir> well, ok, that is allowed
02:33:41 <DHess_US> So you want an oven or temperature chamber for testing small parts?
02:33:44 <K> yaas.
02:33:48 <Lemon> exactly yes
02:33:56 <Lemon> to make a nice tempco curve
02:34:06 <Lemon> with my 3456a via gpib and thermometer via serial
02:34:21 <Lemon> I just need the little oven, basically
02:34:41 <Lemon> something cheap, effective, and not too hard to build, I do have a dremel thats it
02:35:32 <DHess_US> A small aluminum box insulated by Styrofoam on the outside is what I would use. I would mount some power transistors to the box to act as heaters.
02:35:56 <Lemon> transistors rather than resistors ? interesting
02:36:11 <DHess_US> And epoxy some temperature sensors to the box unless you want to mount them better.
02:36:35 <DHess_US> You could use those TO-220 resistors but I think power transistors are cheaper.
02:36:40 <Lemon> I dont know which thermistor I should use, for an accuracy of like 0.1C at least, absolute
02:36:44 <DHess_US> And with power transistors, they act as their own driver.
02:36:45 <Lemon> or 0.2C if not
02:36:58 <Lemon> ok thanks, thats interesting
02:37:02 <Lemon> never thought of transistors
02:37:12 <DHess_US> Oh, for that sort of absolute accuracy, you need either an RTD or the very best silicon sensor.
02:37:24 <Lemon> im going to look at styrofoam too, I know what it is but idk if its easy to get here
02:37:33 <Lemon> well the sensors I have are that accurate
02:37:37 <Lemon> but idk how to mount them
02:37:43 <Lemon> they are on a small breakout board
02:37:58 <DHess_US> The problem with the RTD is calibration if you want the highest possible absolute accuracy.
02:38:07 <Lemon> but afterall
02:38:11 <Lemon> I dont really need absolute
02:38:22 <Lemon> I just need resolution
02:38:25 <DHess_US> You can get two points with distilled water and barometric pressure but the third point needs something like a triple point cell which is feasible for a home user.
02:38:34 <Lemon> yeah screw that
02:38:41 <Lemon> the sensor I already have will be fine
02:38:42 <DHess_US> If you only need resolution, then just use a good silicon sensor.
02:38:47 <Lemon> I just need a way to mount it
02:38:55 <Lemon> I already built everything neatly
02:38:58 <DHess_US> Some are better than 1C degree absolute if you want ot spend the money.
02:39:15 <DHess_US> The LM35 comes in a TO-220 package, or used ot.
02:39:21 <Lemon> this one is specified for 0.05C from 20 to 42, 0.1C from 0 to 80 if im right
02:39:30 <Lemon> so it will be perfect
02:39:35 <Lemon> and I dont need absolute anyway
02:39:37 <DHess_US> I've just epoxied them to the aluminum using 409 epoxy.
02:39:37 <Lemon> I just thought about that
02:39:51 <Lemon> hmmmm
02:40:00 <Lemon> even if its on a breakout board ?
02:40:04 <Lemon> lemme show you what I have
02:40:25 <Lemon> https://www.ebay.fr/itm/ClosedCube-LMT70-0-1-C-Precision-Analog-Temperature-Sensor-Breakout/182278055658?hash=item2a709e66ea:g:VHkAAOSwr9VZwkb1
02:40:35 <DHess_US> sorry, 907 epoxy
02:40:39 <DHess_US> https://www.amazon.com/Loctite-Hysol-gram-Epoxy-Adhesive/dp/B000WXDLAQ
02:40:50 <DHess_US> good stuff
02:40:57 <Lemon> I do have some epoxy yeah
02:41:01 <Lemon> various types
02:41:13 <Lemon> im just worried about the breakout board itself
02:41:16 <Lemon> if its suited for that
02:41:19 <DHess_US> same thing, https://miller-stephenson.com/product/ms-907-two-part-epoxy-adhesive/
02:41:38 <Lemon> can I simply glue it to the box ? like you did ?
02:41:46 <Lemon> im using it for ambient right now
02:43:58 <Lemon> also it might give me the temperature of the box
02:44:06 <Lemon> but the resistor could be a tad different no ?
02:44:26 <DHess_US> TO-220 temperature sensors including the LM35, https://www.mouser.com/Sensors/Temperature-Sensors/Board-Mount-Temperature-Sensors/_/N-7gz7qZ1yzvvqx?P=1z0y1znZ1z0yru6
02:44:32 <DHess_US> Those you can bolt on.
02:44:40 <Lemon> I cant with the one I linked ?
02:45:20 <DHess_US> Not really
02:45:33 <DHess_US> Could epoxy it with 907 though.
02:45:39 <DHess_US> Would never get it off.
02:45:40 <Lemon> yes thats what I asked
02:45:42 <Lemon> thats perfect
02:45:55 <Lemon> it will work as heat transfer to the little breakout board no ?
02:46:30 <Lemon> the other thing, is that if I do that, I'll get the temp of the box, but not the temp of the resistor im measuring no ?
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02:46:35 <Lemon> there might be a difference
02:47:36 <DHess_US> Better is to mount the resistor to the heat sink but that isn't very convenient or easy.
02:47:49 <Lemon> yeah I dont want to solder the resistor each time
02:47:58 <Lemon> to preserve them
02:48:08 <Lemon> I planned to use some croc clips or whatever
02:48:26 <DHess_US> What I might do is get a copper plate, mount the heaters and temperature sensors to it, and then clamp the resistor to it with a silicon rubber clamp.
02:48:48 <Lemon> hmmmm
02:48:51 <DHess_US> The box will work but it takes time for the temperature to equalize.
02:49:05 <DHess_US> Real systems have an external fan with a shaft going into the gox to stir the air.
02:49:08 <Lemon> I have time, thats not a problem but yeah I want to be sure of what I measure
02:49:31 <DHess_US> Or fill the box with oil.
02:49:48 <DHess_US> Actually, an oil bath is a pretty good way to do it.
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02:50:07 <Lemon> but that will be a pain to clean resistors each time
02:50:11 <DHess_US> Mount the heaters and sensors to a heavy container and fill it with oil.
02:50:15 <DHess_US> yep
02:50:19 <Lemon> nah I think
02:50:25 <Lemon> I'll just find a good place to glue the sensor
02:50:33 <Lemon> and make it as close as possibble to the resistor
02:50:40 <Lemon> even put the resistor on top of it
03:03:13 <DHess_US> If the layout is made symmetrical and the sensor has identical properties to the resistor, then some errors can be cancelled out.
03:03:53 <Lemon> which properties ? because im going to measure a lot of different resistors in it
03:04:05 <Lemon> so well, theres small chances that it will be the case I guess
03:07:20 <DHess_US> Another thing I would do is separate the temperature measurement from the regulation to make it faster.
03:07:55 <DHess_US> So put some sensors near the heaters, which are used for heater feedback. And then another temperature sensor which measures the resistor's temperatu re.
03:08:23 <Lemon> erf that makes me buy another sensor
03:08:29 <Lemon> but yeah I'll think about all that
03:08:34 <Lemon> thanks for the input !
03:09:52 <DHess_US> You were just going to use one sensor?
03:10:21 <Lemon> well I have one sensor that Im not using, so yeah if I need another one I have to buy it, so thats still possible
03:10:39 <Lemon> the thing is, putting the sensor on the resistor will be hard I think
03:10:46 <Lemon> especially if I measure small ones
03:10:53 <Lemon> contact wont be perfect
03:11:11 <Lemon> what I could do, as you said
03:11:26 <Lemon> is take a sheet of copper, put the heating on the bottom, sensor on the top, resistor on the top too
03:11:36 <Lemon> it will be easier that way I think
03:11:55 <DHess_US> Use a thick piece of copper.
03:11:55 <Lemon> or I make a sheath with that copper sheet, and slide the resistor into it
03:12:05 <DHess_US> At higher temperatures, you could use a heat pipe.
03:12:16 <Lemon> well tbh I dont plan on going high
03:12:22 <Lemon> maybe what, 70-80C ?
03:12:32 <DHess_US> Not that high
03:12:36 <Lemon> its already too high
03:12:41 <DHess_US> Heat pipe might be worth checking out.
03:12:53 <Lemon> I just want to measure the tempco to know how much it will fluctuate with ambient temps
03:12:57 <Lemon> and a bit more
03:13:01 <Lemon> maybe 60C max
03:14:20 <Lemon> I'll draw something and show you before getting parts
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03:16:26 <hsn> hey t3sl4
03:16:35 <hsn> ^^ https://youtu.be/WUZUSD4477I
03:17:43 <Lemon> hoooo I found a really nice thing https://www.ebay.fr/itm/EA-Elektro-Automatik-Power-Supply-7220-010-Labornetzteil-220V-1A/114246778770?hash=item1a99a37f92:g:3PkAAOSwYV9e1zx7
03:18:35 <Lemon> its a switchmode one ?
03:19:43 <Lemon> because if its a linear one im really tempted
03:19:56 <Lemon> its been a long time im looking for a somewhat HV linear lab supply at a decent price
03:20:01 <Lemon> for... things
03:22:39 <T3sl4> hsn: hah
03:24:55 <Lemon> if anyone can find some infos about that psu I'd greatly appreciate it
03:27:05 <DHess_US> I don't think completed power supplies are a good idea for beginners.
03:27:14 <DHess_US> Better to build your own from a kit or instructions.
03:27:32 <Lemon> boarf honestly for that kind of voltage, I'd rather not
03:27:49 <Lemon> I see where you're coming, thats a great advice
03:27:56 <Lemon> but there's many other things that I want to build :>
03:28:06 <DHess_US> low voltage transformers make things pretty safe.
03:28:12 <Lemon> this supply would be used for the time my other low voltage ones wouldnt cut it
03:28:26 <Lemon> do you think its a linear one from the looks ?
03:28:34 <DHess_US> And there is nothing wrong with a fixed three output +15, -15, +5 volt power supply for many applicaitons.
03:28:42 <DHess_US> yes
03:29:01 <Lemon> I already have multiple supplies, but they go up to 30/40 or 50v
03:29:06 <Lemon> I wanted a higher one
03:29:15 <Lemon> hmmm linear good good
03:29:24 <Lemon> so probably quiet
03:29:36 <Lemon> I cant find specs online for it
03:29:51 <T3sl4> Lemon: making a tube amp? :P
03:30:15 <Lemon> haha no but who knows ! :> I just like to add some capabilities to my lab if possible
03:30:28 <Lemon> I also wanted to be able to source a stable DC voltage up to 100V +
03:32:30 <Ysjoelfir> I heard the EA ElectroAutomatik things are pretty trashy?
03:33:40 <Lemon> no idea ! Ysjoelfir can you help me ? I used google but it turned it up weird https://www.ebay.fr/itm/Gossen-Konstanter-Power-Supply-Dreifach-Labornetzteil-K18-RU1-K32-RU0-6-DEFEKT/114246788030?hash=item1a99a3a3be:g:uCAAAOSwrcle1z3P
03:33:49 <Lemon> it seems to be working, just some little issues
03:34:31 <Ysjoelfir> you need a translation?
03:35:10 <Lemon> if you don't mind :> or just tell me whats wrong
03:35:13 <Lemon> that will be enough :P
03:36:04 <rust_collector> well, it has potis kratzen
03:36:11 <Lemon> ho no...
03:36:20 <Lemon> not potis kratzen please no !
03:36:34 <Lemon> well scratch pots I guess ?
03:36:40 <Lemon> scratchy
03:37:02 <Ysjoelfir> the meters are sticking but move when you knock on them (the same as it did on the gossen I gave you, seems to be a common problem), the potentiometers are dirty and the sockets are discolored. besides that it is supposed to be working
03:37:04 <Ysjoelfir> hi rusty
03:37:08 <T3sl4> as long as it's not spitzensparken
03:37:21 <Ysjoelfir> so you did indeed not slide into the fjord.
03:37:29 <Ysjoelfir> lol T3sl4
03:37:55 <Lemon> ho ? the gossen you gave me never had this problem
03:38:05 <Lemon> I do have a wattmeter with that issue but its a big one
03:38:06 <rust_collector> hey-o no, not yet. odin is keeping an eye on me, and one in his eye socket.
03:38:13 <Lemon> you really have to knock on it all the time
03:38:30 <rust_collector> glue a dildo on it?
03:38:47 <Ysjoelfir> oh, then I just told you about that problem and the sticking one was the one that I gave to the other guy, that asshole. he deserved a sticky meter!
03:38:57 <Ysjoelfir> oh, you mean like a auto knock function, rusty?
03:39:09 <rust_collector> ecaxtly
03:39:33 <rust_collector> or other similar word
03:40:14 <rust_collector> I kike that box, it looks like it is supposed to do something
03:40:17 <rust_collector> like
04:10:18 <Ysjoelfir> so rusty
04:10:31 <rust_collector> No, I don't play games
04:12:00 <Ysjoelfir> oh, ok.
04:12:03 <rust_collector> I prefer videos, or dinner
04:12:30 <Lemon> well a triple output gossen supply for 60 euros delivered sounded nice
04:12:38 <Lemon> but idk sticker meters can be a pain
04:12:44 <Lemon> on my wattmeter its unusable
04:13:08 <rust_collector> yes, I was thinking about it, but I might not even be in europe, if you ask europe
04:13:51 <rust_collector> there was a link to a beha, which looked interesting, but too new,, and too money
04:15:36 <Lemon> this month I think I'm getting lots of components, and those multi drawer racks
04:17:47 <Ysjoelfir> I need a new router. and wanted 10GBit network stuff.. but after that message I'm sure I shouldn't do that... just hope that the friggin router will survive long enough
04:19:07 <rust_collector> I get that is is all cool and stuff, but 1GB is not that bad?. do you move things around all the time?
04:20:08 <rust_collector> https://www.ebay.fr/itm/5-fach-Labornetzteil-Netzgerat-Beha-Uniwatt-0-30V-0-1A-15V-5V-0-24V-AC-1A/274384325228?_trkparms=aid%3D1110001%26algo%3DSPLICE.SIM%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20131231084308%26meid%3D050a56c5567344a1934215662288c8ff%26pid%3D100010%26rk%3D12%26rkt%3D12%26sd%3D114246788030%26itm%3D274384325228%26pmt%3D0%26noa%3D1%26pg%3D2047675&_trksid=p2047675.c100010.m2109
04:20:41 <Ysjoelfir> I have a NAS and a second backup server that copies all thats on the NAS regularely onto his own HDDs. that would benefit from 10GBit. but well.
04:20:47 <Lemon> fun thingie
04:21:07 <Lemon> look at some 10Gbit server cards
04:21:09 <Lemon> from LSI
04:21:14 <Lemon> sometimes you can get them cheap
04:21:31 <Ysjoelfir> I can't afford it. I have to save up for the health insurance shit stuff
04:21:55 <rust_collector> sure, but... doesnt it have time to move stuff, or is it just that ... blah blah lemon-style, because it could be better
04:22:13 <Lemon> we like to optimize things rusty xd
04:22:14 <Ysjoelfir> I have created a set of nice stuff that I would want to use. microtik mini switch, mellanox cards and so on.
04:22:17 <Lemon> thats a different point of view
04:22:28 <Ysjoelfir> rust_collector - its the later one. its not neccessary, which is why I wont buy it now
04:22:29 <Lemon> sure you can live in a 10sqm wooden box
04:22:33 <Lemon> but a house is more comfy
04:22:53 <rust_collector> still a wooden box...
04:23:58 <rust_collector> I mean, a regular router is pretty inexpensive, sort of.
04:24:47 <Ysjoelfir> I need a VDSL2+ capable model
04:24:56 <Ysjoelfir> which aren't that cheap sadly
04:25:08 <rust_collector> oh great, new words
04:25:26 <rust_collector> I will put those on my ignored words list
04:25:54 <rust_collector> visual dual service line 3
04:25:59 <rust_collector> or more
04:26:06 <Lemon> whats considered to be 'tight tolerance' for inductors ?
04:26:17 <Ysjoelfir> more or less the fastest type for copper internet, I think. 300 MBit/s
04:26:21 <Ysjoelfir> Lemon - yes.
04:26:30 <Lemon> perfect
04:26:47 <Lemon> 2% is nice ?
04:27:02 <rust_collector> so, what is wrong with the antonbox?
04:27:52 <Ysjoelfir> its resetting like 2 or 3 times a day and locks up and needs a hard reboot once a week
04:29:18 <rust_collector> well, don't ask me about internet things. I know nothing.
04:31:15 <Ysjoelfir> I don't know that much either. I actually would love to get a more rugged, industrial style router, like the
04:31:15 <Ysjoelfir> Mikrotik RB4011iGS+5HacQ2HnD-IN (what a great, easy to remember name!). but that doesn't have a modem built in, so I need that seperate - which seems pretty impossible to get
04:52:07 <Lemon> https://www.ebay.fr/itm/Pack-mixed-trimming-potentiometers-approx-650pcs-values-listed-below-Z3043/254159809146?hash=item3b2d1aea7a:g:qeQAAOSw8CJchnWG
04:52:17 <Lemon> how's the price on that ?
05:04:19 <Lemon> forget it, I dont need it
05:04:44 <Lemon> hmmmm I'm wondering if making some high quality cables, and maybe replacing connectors on my two dmms could improve my measurements, either DCV or resistance
05:22:01 <DHess_US> There is a good chance. My best multimeter leads are all home made.
05:22:18 <DHess_US> I have a couple spools of rubber insulated test lead wire.
05:22:32 <Lemon> what should I aim for ? but I fear the cost will be prohibitive
05:24:04 <DHess_US> Oh, it doesn't really matter and rubber insulated test lead wire is pretty expensive if you have to buy spools.
05:24:12 <DHess_US> Look for fine stranded wire.
05:24:42 <Lemon> ho I was more asking about connectors, which material like pure copper, or berillium copper, virgin-under-full-moon like stuff or whatever
05:25:01 <Lemon> should I get shielded wire ?
05:25:05 <Lemon> OFC copper ?
05:26:31 <Lemon> I also wonder if my current kelvin clips are good enough to not show a big change if I were to buy 200 dollars one
05:27:36 <DHess_US> https://www.mouser.com/Wire-Cable/Hook-up-Wire/_/N-5ggsZ1yzvvqx?P=1z0jnf6Z1y8fm3uZ1yx79kq
05:27:52 <DHess_US> That is typical. Note the fine stranding.
05:28:28 <Lemon> I see thanks
05:29:45 <DHess_US> Someone probably has it online in smaller lengths for less.
05:30:30 <Lemon> yeah I'll look around ! and for connectors, should I go pure copper ?
05:30:35 <Lemon> gold plated maybe ?
05:30:47 <DHess_US> My most useful test leads have an Anderson powerpole connector in the middle so I can swap probes with plugs because some of my meters use shrouded pluts.
05:30:49 <DHess_US> plugs
05:31:02 <Lemon> ha yes I like that
05:31:07 <DHess_US> gold doesn't reall matter.
05:31:14 <Lemon> I still need to get some mueller crocodile clip on
05:31:30 <DHess_US> Yep, there are two different sizes. The smaller ones are very useful.
05:32:02 <Lemon> https://i0.wp.com/ae01.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1wYJwhv5TBuNjSspcq6znGFXaW/OOTDTY-2-Pcs-Insulated-font-b-Alligator-b-font-Clip-2mm-Banana-Female-Adapter-Meter-Test.jpg
05:32:04 <Lemon> like those
05:32:23 <DHess_US> Eh, mine are uninsulated
05:32:27 <Lemon> https://in.element14.com/productimages/standard/en_GB/2834094-40.jpg those sorry
05:32:38 <Lemon> I want those mostly to power stuff
05:32:46 <DHess_US> I prefer test leads with an alligator clip on negative and a probe on positive but I have some which are two clips or two probes.
05:32:48 <Lemon> or to grab a resistor, or whatever
05:33:01 <Lemon> its good to have various things I guess
05:33:11 <Lemon> thats why I like clip on things
05:33:44 <Lemon> https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcR7qQ3B2XNWaGSwjZHP8TnKojqlHTEOTumuMM5r7340mDmujrvX&usqp=CAU
05:33:46 <Lemon> you meant those ?
05:34:46 <DHess_US> Yes, but plated.
05:34:54 <Lemon> gold plated or something else ?
05:34:57 <DHess_US> But there are lots of good choices.
05:34:59 <DHess_US> Just tin.
05:35:08 <DHess_US> Or nickel.
05:36:25 <Lemon> I need to grab a few, mini grabbers too
05:36:29 <Lemon> im tired of the shitty ones I have
05:38:05 <DHess_US> I always have trouble with them. Either the ends melt or I use wire which is too thick for the lead.
05:39:50 <Lemon> Im more getting the 'jaws get sideways and clamp like shit' problem
05:39:58 <Lemon> but they are really bad quality ones
05:46:04 <Lemon> https://www.distrelec.de/en/test-clip-yellow-teledyne-lecroy-pk1-5mm-114y/p/30086264?q=&pos=11&origPos=11&origPageSize=10&track=true
05:46:08 <Lemon> what the fuck are those prices
05:46:17 <Lemon> they look like crap, on top of that
05:59:53 <Lemon> thats so hard to find some goddamn test leads that arent shrouded
05:59:58 <Lemon> I hate shrouded stuff
06:00:10 <Lemon> first because you cant tie a simple wire to it
06:00:15 <Lemon> and second
06:00:18 <Lemon> just because, thats it
06:01:22 <rust_collector> reconfigure a pencil sharpener, to be a lead unshrouder
06:03:53 <Ysjoelfir> I'm sure that'll be a hit!
06:04:05 <Lemon> lets open a kickstarter
06:06:59 <rust_collector> we could probably make millions on that, sadly
06:08:12 <Lemon> Ysjoelfir ever ordered from distrelec ?
06:08:14 <Lemon> it sounds familiar
06:08:40 <rust_collector> they have bought a lot of other companies, so...
06:09:10 <Ysjoelfir> yeah. quite a way back
06:11:12 <Lemon> https://www.distrelec.de/en/crocodile-clip-4mm-metal-10a-mueller-electric-co-bu-60c/p/30133497?q=crocodile&pos=23&origPos=57&origPageSize=10&track=true
06:11:25 <Lemon> I thought about getting those, as DHess said it could be nice to put on test leads
06:11:34 <Lemon> after all it doesnt really matter if they are insulated or not
06:11:39 <Lemon> it will be for low power stuff
06:13:24 <Lemon> https://www.distrelec.de/en/crocodile-clip-mm-black-sks-kontakttechnik-ak10/p/14092037?q=crocodile&pos=34&origPos=23&origPageSize=10&track=true I have some ripoff of those, I wonder if the real ones are great or not
06:16:46 <Lemon> I think I'll get some of those https://www.distrelec.de/en/small-crocodile-clip-red-red-pico-automotive-ta004/p/30015475
06:16:50 <Lemon> they look nice
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06:18:24 <rust_collector> ooh, the guy with shades
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06:20:16 <Lemon> distrelec only ship to germany ??
06:20:36 <rust_collector> they have stores up here, so I doubt it
06:25:33 <Lemon> pfff I have to redo my selection on the french version
06:25:36 <Lemon> I hate this
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06:31:01 <Lemon> so for 5 pairs of insulated crocodile clip on, 5 pairs of multicolor mueller croc/croc cables, and two pairs of test needle nose whateverthename 4mm pluggable ones, 38 euros delivered
06:31:03 <Lemon> thats acceptable
06:31:54 <rust_collector> I think some idiot has bought the wifes old caravan
06:32:27 <Lemon> those motherfuckers, its only for professionnals
06:32:32 <Lemon> GAHHH
06:32:42 <Lemon> why is it so goddamn hard to buy fucking crocodile clips ?
06:33:21 <Lemon> if thats not for custom fees, you need a siren number, if its not that they only deliver to the shithole its coming from, if its not that its overpriced, ffs
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06:35:03 <rust_collector> https://www.elfadistrelec.no/no/helisolert-sikkerhetskrokodilleklemme-svart-30a-mueller-electric-co-bu-65/p/30135047?q=*&pos=3&origPos=54&origPageSize=10&track=true
06:35:07 <rust_collector> are those ok?
06:37:11 <Lemon> they look a bit too big, but its close to what I want
06:37:24 <Lemon> but Im pretty sure it wont deliver here, or there will be insane shipping
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06:41:20 <Lemon> I gotta buy some contact cleaner
06:41:40 * Ampera squeezes Lemon onto the contacts
06:41:52 <Lemon> sproufftuichh
06:42:01 <Ampera> how are you doing lemon
06:42:04 <rust_collector> get contact cleaner, and the pot cleaner stuff, and then you need the lube thing
06:42:51 <Lemon> I spent one hour doing a selection for various 4mm accessories on some website, and at the end it was always : we dont deliver there, or you need a pro account, or fuck you thats it
06:43:36 <rust_collector> register a company
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06:47:42 <l_hsn_l> lemon
06:47:59 <l_hsn_l> first time i see u cursing :>
06:54:02 <Lemon> it happens sometimes :>
06:54:08 <Lemon> well lets go to sleep
06:54:12 <Lemon> im tired af
06:54:15 <rust_collector> YAAY!
06:54:15 <Lemon> see you bois !
06:54:24 <rust_collector> nightning!
06:59:57 <rust_collector> hmm, yes, good night boís !
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10:24:53 <Halcyon> Morning all
10:25:03 <steve30> hi Halcyon
10:25:07 * steve30 just woke up
10:25:18 <Halcyon> I'm not long up either. Just went out to get coffee
10:25:31 <steve30> mmm, coffee
10:28:27 * T3sl4 hugs steve30
10:28:40 <steve30> *purrr*
10:29:22 * steve30 fires 5Gs into the channel
10:30:08 <Halcyon> YAY!
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10:48:57 * steve30 hugs Halcyon
10:49:26 <Halcyon> :)
10:50:59 * Ampera attacks Halcyon
10:51:13 <Halcyon> Mean
10:51:26 <steve30> Halcyon, if you're around later, you can help me test the MoIPv6
10:51:49 <Halcyon> Yeh can do, I have uni stuff to do today, so later on this afternoon/evening?
10:52:17 <Ampera> Halcyon, have time for a call?
10:52:25 <Ampera> steve30, what's MoIPv6?
10:52:32 <Halcyon> Yeh I can do a quick call, just give me 5
10:52:40 <steve30> Meow over IP
10:52:47 <Ampera> huh?
10:53:13 <Halcyon> Stupid cat
10:54:47 <steve30> You can call the number and get meowed at :). Over IPv6 :)
10:55:20 <Ampera> steve30, oh, SIP stuff
10:55:58 <steve30> yeah, I have SIP working over IPv6 now
10:56:07 <coppice> Meat over IPv6. Its how restaurants will survive post COVID-19.... assuming they can ever get IPv6 widely deployed
10:56:23 <Ampera> coppice, in other words they're all still going out of business
10:56:42 <steve30> I suppose you could give each chunk of meat its own address
10:56:52 <coppice> Ampera: perhaps, but if they ever get MoIPv4 working they could be on to a winner
10:57:18 <Ampera> coppice, it'd never work, they'd have to do Meat Address Translation
10:57:38 <coppice> I think they are wrong to start with meat. We all know they need to get "tea, Earl Grey, hot" to work first
10:57:40 <Ampera> and if you're behind CG-MAT, forget it
10:58:05 <Ampera> coppice, simple, just turn the dial on your 3D printer to replicator mode
10:58:56 <T3sl4> https://www.reddit.com/r/ProgrammerHumor/comments/gv7l09/when_you_try_a_crazy_idea_and_it_works_perfectly/ *Newton wants to know your location*
10:59:57 <Ampera> T3sl4, oh..
10:59:59 <Ampera> that's quite neat
11:00:58 <coppice> T3sl4: I'm not letting Newton know where I am. He was illuminati.
11:01:32 <T3sl4> Not a fig.
11:01:59 <coppice> besides that whole thing is very derivative
11:03:30 <coppice> I like the "Incoherent speech" picture on that page
11:03:45 <T3sl4> it's integral to the programming industry.
11:15:12 <Ampera> honestly your puns are subtracting from the experience here
11:15:21 <Ampera> not that I mean to add on to that
11:15:28 <Ampera> but these sorts of jokes are a bit divisive
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11:38:02 <steve30> i could do with some food
11:38:27 <DHess_US> Ampera, God is punishing you.
11:38:36 <Ampera> DHess_US, more?
11:38:57 <DHess_US> It is the punultimate punishment.
11:39:25 * Ampera punches DHess_US
11:39:41 <DHess_US> You don't approve of the punalty?
11:40:15 <Ampera> It's a puny punt, punishing punners.
11:41:27 <DHess_US> You slugged me. That makes me an invertebrate punster, spinelessly unable to resist a pun.
11:57:29 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: It's interesting that you can tell the turn direction of a lock based on which side of an anodised key the wear is on. https://t.co/ZCONcunmet
12:00:30 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Retweet: David Shah🏳️🌈: Well, fuck you Lattice, this is a new clause in the license for their latest "Propel" SDK https://t.co/7gfeFoFJdW
13:14:47 <Halcyon> Oh Steve guess what?
13:15:29 Quit: steve30 ([email protected]) Changing hosts
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14:02:03 <Ampera> Halcyon, you still around?
14:05:05 <Halcyon> Yeh
14:05:09 <Halcyon> Just talking to David #2
14:06:13 <Ampera> did you finish your assignment?
14:06:27 <Halcyon> Nah he is helping me with it, he is all smart with the codings and programmings
14:06:42 <Halcyon> I'm watching his screen and have NFI what the hell he is doing
14:07:16 <Ampera> what a smart cookie :P
14:09:44 <steve30> I think he's daydreaming about making out with David2
14:09:55 <Halcyon> Shhh
14:10:01 <Halcyon> You don't know me
14:12:16 <steve30> I wish I had a hot guy to make out with
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14:15:16 <Halcyon> OK I'm off the phone now
14:15:36 <Halcyon> I need a wine after that conversation, he was super helpful but it's given me extra work to do
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14:18:11 <Halcyon> Hey Ampera, are you any good at writing batch scripts?
14:18:14 <Halcyon> (DOS)
14:18:27 <Ampera> I'd basically be writing from reference
14:18:33 <Ampera> I've done it before, but I'm not /good/ at it
14:18:59 <T3sl4> Halcyon, you stupid batch
14:19:06 <Halcyon> I need to write a script which will execute a program with a switch, record its output to the file, then repeat with the next argument down
14:19:11 <Halcyon> Haha nice one T3sl4
14:19:54 <Halcyon> For example: run program.exe a, log output, run program.exe b, log output and so on...
14:20:09 <T3sl4> so, "program /switch %1 > log1.txt" "program /switch %2> log2.txt" etc.? (per line)
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14:20:21 <T3sl4> or >> i think for append? i forget
14:20:21 <Halcyon> Yessum
14:20:30 <Halcyon> >> I think
14:20:50 <Ampera> Halcyon, if you need it now I'm way too tired for that
14:21:02 <Halcyon> It's OK, I'll work it out, it can't be that hard
14:22:05 <T3sl4> if you need to iterate over args, you may have to write it out, but i'm sure there's an NT thing you can use to improve that, if it's not literal DOS
14:22:11 <T3sl4> powershell for example :P
14:22:34 <steve30> I should do some more work on my energy monitor programme
14:23:02 <Ampera> Halcyon, in other news, this 200 dollar Pinebook Pro I bought?
14:23:08 <Ampera> is playing 1080p YouTube videos
14:23:13 <Ampera> On ARM
14:23:20 <Ampera> my mind is absolutely blown
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14:25:36 <Halcyon> Nice
14:25:36 <Halcyon> :)
14:25:56 <Halcyon> Fancy a quick call while I drive up to the shops?
14:30:24 <Halcyon> Ampera?
14:35:04 <Ampera> Halcyon,
14:35:05 <Ampera> sure
14:35:07 <Ampera> sorry I didn't see you
14:35:40 <Halcyon> That's OK. I'll go pee and give you a call
14:35:45 <Halcyon> (not at the same time)
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15:26:55 * Halcyon shakes his jerked meat in front of T3sl4
15:28:22 * Ampera sneezes at Halcyon
15:28:26 <Ampera> quick call before I go to bed?
15:28:37 <Halcyon> Sure.
15:44:44 * T3sl4 hugs Ampera
15:45:07 <T3sl4> Halcyon: wow, your meat is hot
15:46:57 <Halcyon> It's more peppery, but yeh :P
15:47:54 <T3sl4> jerk tends to contain habanero, or uh, the jamaican version thereof, but i guess that works?
15:48:14 <Halcyon> There is more than one way to jerk meat
15:48:28 <T3sl4> omy
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16:25:45 <Halcyon> I'm making fajitas again tonight
16:25:53 <T3sl4> aww fuck yea
16:26:25 <T3sl4> i made the mistake? of getting rather ripe, greenish to orange-red, serranos last time i was at the store
16:26:28 <T3sl4> fuckers are hot as shit
16:26:49 <T3sl4> finally finished them off over the last two weeks
16:27:14 <T3sl4> was shitting them out during the first, but i seem to have acclimated sincfe
16:27:40 <Halcyon> Heheh yum
16:27:56 <Halcyon> I just added my own spices with some dried chilli to coat the chicken in
16:28:07 <Halcyon> But I'll throw it all together in the over and tray bake everything
16:28:16 <Halcyon> It brings out the flavour in the capsicum and onions
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16:29:39 <T3sl4> capsicum on your face
16:29:48 <Ysjoelfir> uaaaaaaaaaaaaargh!!!
16:29:54 * Ysjoelfir runs around, screaming in agony
16:29:55 <Halcyon> Hey Ysjoelfir
16:30:04 <Halcyon> Capsicum isn't spicy?
16:30:28 <Ysjoelfir> oh. I read capscaicin. the "pure heat"-powder.
16:30:44 <Halcyon> No, capsicum as in froot
16:31:03 <Ysjoelfir> yeah, I noticed :P well, then ok. that'll go perfect with my meal today
16:31:17 <Halcyon> Ysjoelfir: I was just saying I'm making Fajitas
16:31:25 <Halcyon> But I tray baking the chicken and veges all together to go all nommy
16:31:34 <Halcyon> What are you having?
16:31:38 <Ysjoelfir> Whats that, a Fajita?
16:31:50 <Ysjoelfir> I made an impromptu bean stew yesterday out of frustration
16:32:03 <Ysjoelfir> one of the more american style sweet-ish smoky ones
16:32:10 <Halcyon> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fajita
16:32:30 <Ysjoelfir> uh, that looks great, I take two.
16:32:47 <Halcyon> I'll have them with cheese, avocado and sour cream as well
16:33:10 <Ysjoelfir> nice! I hope you'll enjoy
16:35:56 <Halcyon> I always do. What's in your stew?
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16:37:43 <Ysjoelfir> well, beans obviously, (:P) three kinds of them - big white beans, kidney and.... erm... in germany we call them "eye beans". its an asian variety, beautiful white-red marbeling on the shell with a distinct dark spot. Also baked tomatoes, peeled and crushed, some chickpeas, a bit of corn, and small lentils to thicken it.
16:38:05 <Halcyon> Oh yeh
16:38:15 <Halcyon> Sounds delicious. I love beans
16:38:22 <Ysjoelfir> for seasoning I used seared smoked ham, a little bit of liquid smoke, 2 tablespoons of brown sugar and 100mls of maple syrup
16:38:32 <T3sl4> oooh
16:38:50 <T3sl4> i should make bean soup some day, i have plenty of beans and lentils with which to make such a thing
16:38:58 <Ysjoelfir> oh, don't forget the onions...
16:39:00 <T3sl4> need to get more veg to start one though
16:39:07 <Halcyon> Can't forget onions
16:39:15 <Ysjoelfir> sounds like a plan, T3sl4 :)
16:39:18 <Halcyon> Bean soup? I've never tried. Is it smooth (blended) or chunky?
16:40:31 <T3sl4> well, whatever you like, it's chunky if you don't blend it :P
16:40:57 <Halcyon> If it's chunky though, what's the liquid base?
16:41:03 <T3sl4> stock
16:41:10 <Halcyon> Mmmk
16:41:33 <Halcyon> It's just when you said "bean soup" the first thing that came to my mind was like pumpkin soup but made of beans
16:44:03 <T3sl4> i'll usually start with mirepoix, a few tbsp of Better than Bullion, enough water to cover, and whatever else goes in, beans, meat etc
16:45:04 <Halcyon> Sounds good
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16:46:07 <T3sl4> or for chili, same thing but celery instead of carrot, lots of peppers (capsicum), and canned tomatoes instead of broth
16:46:08 <Halcyon> I also like that you actually use the proper Frenchy words :P
16:46:18 <Halcyon> Fuck celery
16:46:22 <T3sl4> fuck you
16:46:25 <Halcyon> :P
16:46:29 <Halcyon> You should be so lucky
16:46:58 <Ysjoelfir> I feel so stupid today. everyone in every channel I'm in writes words I don't know
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16:47:37 <Ysjoelfir> ok, I actually know what mirepoix is, i just didn't know that name
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16:47:44 <Halcyon> Mirepoix (pronounced mir-eh-pwah) is basically just vegetables diced small and cooked off
16:47:47 <l_hsn_l> https://www.zdnet.com/article/this-new-ransomware-is-targeting-windows-and-linux-pcs-with-a-unique-attack/
16:47:55 <Halcyon> So onion, carrot, (celery if you like)
16:48:14 <T3sl4> yes, onion carrot celery
16:48:18 <Halcyon> I guess "softened" is a appropriate
16:48:42 <Halcyon> Leek is nice too in mirepoix depending on what you're making
16:48:52 <T3sl4> trinity is the cajun version, s/carrot/peppers/
16:49:18 <T3sl4> everyones' got their version, italians often go with a something onion garlic...celery? i forget
16:49:32 <Halcyon> I do add celery to my lasagne recipe
16:50:03 <Ysjoelfir> yeah, I googled it :) and ofc itn eeds celery
16:50:16 <Ysjoelfir> but the big ball part of it, not the green stems. those are nasty
16:50:28 <Halcyon> Ysjoelfir: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUm2_pwrQ3E
16:51:07 <T3sl4> celery root, celeriac
16:51:19 <Ysjoelfir> now I even know how its pronounced, perfect :D And i know that using those three, as I often do, even has a name when they are combined. nice
16:52:05 <T3sl4> :)
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16:54:22 <Halcyon> Ysjoelfir, if you enjoy that kind of stuff, I highly recommend you grab yourself a copy of "Larousse Gastronomique"
16:54:41 <Halcyon> It's basically an encyclopedia for all kinds of food related words, ingredients and methods
16:54:42 <Ysjoelfir> the russian gastronomy? :P
16:54:53 <Ysjoelfir> ok, I should see if I find that :)
16:55:05 * T3sl4 cooks Halcyon with wine, sometimes even with wine in the Halcyon
16:55:07 <Halcyon> It's not a cheap book, but it's a fantastic reference
16:55:19 <Halcyon> I come pre-basted T3sl4 :P
16:55:25 <T3sl4> you basterd
16:55:31 <T3sl4> :D
16:55:47 <Halcyon> This is the version I have: https://www.amazon.com.au/New-Larousse-Gastronomique-Hamlyn/dp/0600620425/ref=pd_vtp_14_1/356-9592849-3455317?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=0600620425&pd_rd_r=1f7f19bf-f180-489d-9820-5152ade80dba&pd_rd_w=10lLE&pd_rd_wg=KeYXx&pf_rd_p=7d92e78e-c5ee-40c5-b0c2-cf5e3523e663&pf_rd_r=D3KYCSPQ9G18SNTGFBV9&psc=1&refRID=D3KYCSPQ9G18SNTGFBV9
16:55:49 <T3sl4> the other famous julia child line being "everything's better with butter"
16:55:56 <Halcyon> T3sl4, very true
16:56:05 <Halcyon> I mostly use butter in cooking, if not that, olive oil
16:56:28 <Halcyon> Unless I'm doing high temperature stuff, then usually peanut or rice bran oil
16:57:05 <T3sl4> same, although to the point that i don't bother keeping anything other than olive, butter or canola oils handy
16:57:06 <Ysjoelfir> I recently discovered an "ancient german" fat thing that my grandmother used to use
16:57:15 <T3sl4> the latter being for the few occasions where i fry something
16:57:22 <Halcyon> Does it involve prussian blue?
16:57:22 <T3sl4> LARD!
16:57:23 <Halcyon> :P
16:58:48 <Ysjoelfir> xD No. its Palmin. basically coconut fat, but it doesn't come in that strange, semi-liquid state in a jar, but in form of... basically like a very thick (chocolate) bar with little portions to break off.
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16:59:10 <Ysjoelfir> as its coconut fat you can heat it ultra high without it burning, and it gives a great taste when you stir fry stuff
16:59:13 * T3sl4 napalms Ysjoelfir
16:59:14 <Halcyon> Yeh the coconut fat we get here is a solid
16:59:32 <Halcyon> You can scoop it out with a spoon but it's quite thick/hard
16:59:48 <T3sl4> which is uh... naphthenate palmitate? referring to the soaps used to gel gasoline
16:59:48 <Ysjoelfir> negative part: it splatters everywhere if the thing you want to fry is just a little bit wet.
16:59:54 * l_hsn_l palm face
17:00:06 <Ysjoelfir> I don't want to be napalmed :( I like my skin
17:00:09 * T3sl4 swats at l_hsn_l with a palm frond
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17:01:11 <T3sl4> speaking of coconut, i'm quite fond of the milk variety, because curry
17:01:28 <Ysjoelfir> I always have coconut milk at my proposal
17:01:32 <Ysjoelfir> *disposal
17:01:40 * l_hsn_l gives t3sl4 a date
17:01:42 <Ysjoelfir> I don't usually propose to coconuts
17:01:51 <T3sl4> awww thanks, i haven't had a date in years!
17:01:53 <T3sl4> ...wait
17:02:39 <l_hsn_l> 9gag, forever alone posts applies to u t3sl4 ?
17:02:44 * Ysjoelfir hands T3sl4 a SWMBO
17:03:05 <T3sl4> Ysjoelfir: somehow i don't think it's that simple ;)
17:03:20 <Ysjoelfir> I would never have guessed!
17:03:49 <l_hsn_l> t3sl4 whats ur charge
17:04:03 <Ysjoelfir> -73.2 volts
17:04:09 <l_hsn_l> u cant be nuetral
17:04:18 <T3sl4> and 69 coulombs
17:04:19 <l_hsn_l> to attract them
17:04:25 <Ysjoelfir> xD
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17:04:55 <l_hsn_l> damn it who is the other hsn? pc at work?
17:06:13 <Ysjoelfir> T3sl4 - I have a good friend who is single. Good looking ginger, intelligent, studies something related to law, works as a freelancing author,... should I introduce you? :P
17:06:59 <T3sl4> suspect the geography would be a bit of a problem :P but tbh sure why not, sounds like an interesting person if nothing else
17:08:24 <Ysjoelfir> maaaaaybe, yes^^ also she's dating three other guys atm, so I suspect you would have to draw a number :X https://weissmichaela.de/ueber-mich-2/
17:09:45 <T3sl4> :P
17:13:48 <l_hsn_l> Meine Freunde nennen mich Michi. Ich wohne in Hessen
17:13:48 <EEVBlog> hi.
17:13:53 <l_hsn_l> what is hessen
17:14:25 <l_hsn_l> there is place named after me .. aww
17:14:34 <Halcyon> Aw that's nice
17:15:12 <T3sl4> Halcyon, no creeping on her she's mine ....i guess?
17:16:37 <Halcyon> :P
17:16:44 <T3sl4> https://i.imgur.com/6fjvHDM.jpg
17:17:41 <l_hsn_l> lol
17:19:16 <Ysjoelfir> So I basically live in you, l_hsn_l :P
17:19:45 <Ysjoelfir> Hessen (Hesse in english) is more or less the state in the middle of germany
17:19:56 <l_hsn_l> ah
17:20:05 <Ysjoelfir> https://www.google.com/maps/place/Hessen/@50.6645511,10.3024963,6.75z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x47bcec0cdddad509:0xeb2efeb1d96f6567!8m2!3d50.6520515!4d9.1624376
17:20:15 <l_hsn_l> yes ur in middle of my heart ysjoelfir
17:20:23 <Ysjoelfir> awwwww
17:20:28 <l_hsn_l> :p
17:20:36 <Halcyon> All I see is sausage
17:20:40 <Halcyon> (Frankfurt)
17:20:44 <Ysjoelfir> but... frankfurt is more towards the south end of Hessen. So I'm either in your ass or at your feet? XD
17:20:53 <T3sl4> l_hsn_l, i guess you could say of Ysjoelfir, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bk5yvyg9C0
17:21:07 <Ysjoelfir> XD
17:22:47 <l_hsn_l> :$
17:22:55 <Halcyon> Accurate: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pP0dulcLCAE
17:26:52 * T3sl4 uploads a kilobyte to Halcyon
17:27:12 <Halcyon> :P
17:28:04 <Ysjoelfir> XD
17:28:29 <Halcyon> Oh, I don't know if I said... I got a quote to upgrade my place from VDSL2 to fibre
17:28:36 <Halcyon> $30,000 to $34,000
17:28:44 <Ysjoelfir> is that like the australian version of renecks? XD
17:28:52 <Ysjoelfir> well.. is that cheap or not?
17:28:56 <Halcyon> Ysjoelfir: Yeh, they are a bit bogan
17:29:04 <Halcyon> Hell no it's not cheap.
17:29:38 <Ysjoelfir> No idea what it would cost here
17:30:25 <l_hsn_l> https://photos.app.goo.gl/eJLH5nh5HCsjJBjCA
17:30:33 <Halcyon> What's your currency?
17:30:36 <Halcyon> Euro?
17:31:07 <l_hsn_l> picture of yesterday
17:31:43 <Halcyon> The server cannot process the request because it is malformed. It should not be retried.
17:31:49 <T3sl4> shiny
17:31:52 <Ysjoelfir> yes, currency is euro. :D but I got a notice from my ISP 2 days ago, telling me like "heeey, we now have gigabit DSL available in many regions!"
17:32:05 <Ysjoelfir> for 46.99€ a month
17:32:16 <Ysjoelfir> so I took a look at where "many regions" is
17:32:30 <l_hsn_l> hey remember the old library room i took a video of that mess .. https://photos.app.goo.gl/iw9aajR18YfksqsTA
17:32:39 <Ysjoelfir> its like.... Hamburg, and 28 fucking small villages with <300 peoploe living there
17:32:45 <Ysjoelfir> yes
17:33:08 <Ysjoelfir> l_hsn_l - nice pic of yesterday btw :P
17:33:22 <l_hsn_l> ysjoelfir check the library
17:33:36 <steve30> Halcyon, fancy giving me a quick ring to test my Asterisk?
17:34:05 <Ysjoelfir> yeah, its pretty messy. you should clean up :D
17:34:06 <Halcyon> Sure, what's the number again?
17:34:17 <steve30> +441709299546
17:34:47 <l_hsn_l> nah i dnt live there :]
17:39:43 <T3sl4> Halcyon, if you like steve30 you should put a ring on him
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17:49:17 * Ysjoelfir pierces steve30 's nose and puts a ring in there
17:54:38 <Halcyon> I rung Steve's bell :P
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18:14:57 <steve30> I'm supposed to be going to Dad's for lunch today
18:15:05 <steve30> I hope it doesn't rain too much
18:18:28 <Ysjoelfir> +44 means you're in the UK, right? So I assume it will be raining. a lot.
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18:19:44 <Halcyon> Birb: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4Pdv2KqNnM
18:20:28 <Ysjoelfir> dats a birb?
18:20:41 <Ysjoelfir> looks like kat wis fesers
18:21:22 <Halcyon> So cute
18:22:29 <Ysjoelfir> :)
18:29:33 <steve30> meow
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18:29:41 <Halcyon> Hey Steve
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18:31:58 <steve30> Its cold today. I put the air conditioner on in heating more.
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18:57:43 <K> hello
18:57:44 <EEVBlog> Hello there, K!
18:57:47 <K> a win!
18:57:57 <Ysjoelfir> hello K
18:58:08 <Ysjoelfir> a lose!
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18:59:17 <Lemon> hi bois
18:59:21 <Ysjoelfir> and another one!
18:59:36 <K> a moose.
18:59:43 <Ysjoelfir> yes
18:59:45 <Lemon> how its going ?
19:00:48 <Ysjoelfir> bad as usual
19:01:04 <Lemon> got two thingies :> a bosh humidity/pressure sensor, and a bunch of 0.1% yageo resistors for the decade box :P
19:01:09 <Lemon> hoooo why bad ?
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19:01:58 <Ysjoelfir> same as yesterday
19:02:25 <Lemon> I think you didnt tell me about yesterday
19:04:17 <Lemon> I realized something yesterday, the hp 3456a got shitty specs on higher ranges for resistance
19:04:29 <Lemon> while the fluke 8502a got really nice ones
19:04:42 <Ysjoelfir> healthcare thinks they paid too much money to us the last years and expects us to repay 2700€ ASAP
19:04:45 <Lemon> even better than the 3458a (!) on the 100M 24h
19:06:20 <Lemon> ha shit :/ are they in the truth ? we had this problem multiple times for various things like the security care, or whatever is it called
19:06:27 <Lemon> its a real pain but sometimes you can work it out
19:06:53 <Ysjoelfir> I'm sure they did pay to much, after looking into it yesterday, but how should I have noticed that? how could I know?
19:08:43 <Lemon> exactly
19:09:03 <Lemon> it happened for something around 2k euros a few years ago
19:09:09 <Lemon> I had to call for help
19:09:18 <Lemon> ended up paying in multiple months
19:10:03 <Ysjoelfir> I am not willing to pay anything tbh, just because they were on the phone like "as you certainly know, as I am sure you are exploiting this knowingly,...."
19:10:18 <Lemon> fuck them yeah
19:10:25 <Lemon> but I guess you dont really have a choice...
19:10:28 <Ysjoelfir> no, I did not know. you did your job wrong and insult me now. how about go fuck yourself
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19:10:51 <Lemon> here if you dont pay they'll simply up it until they seize your house
19:10:54 <Ysjoelfir> they wouldn't even have noticed if we wouldn't have changed our bank account
19:11:09 <Lemon> the thing is, theres so many people abusing it
19:11:26 <Lemon> that when honest people like you and me get fucked, we are treated like thugs
19:11:52 <Ysjoelfir> well, I'm sure they'll do that here, too. But I already contacted a lawyer to take a look into that as I just don't have the strength to fight that now
19:12:46 <Lemon> you'll probably end up paying more with the lawyer :/
19:12:54 <Lemon> but maybe theres some social care in germany too ?
19:12:57 <Lemon> I dont know how to call it
19:13:05 <Lemon> you can just call for help when everything break lose
19:13:42 <Ysjoelfir> we have a law ensurance luckily
19:14:54 <Lemon> ha great !
19:16:19 <Lemon> but it happens so many times, they better change that one day...
19:18:35 Quit: steve30 ([email protected]) Quit: <Baljem> steve30: by the way, I had the most bizarre dream the other day that someone came in here and seriously flipped their shit over your quit message and why aren't the ops /doing/ something about it
19:19:51 <Ysjoelfir> I just dont accept that somehow. they make a mistake. I know nothing about that. they are like "but you must check!" - well, no? I trust you that you, as a huge organisation taking care of millions of people, know how to do that shit. I don't.
19:20:28 <Lemon> you must check, but the other way we'll never check anything
19:20:32 <Lemon> thats how it works
19:20:40 <Lemon> and man its mostly automatic
19:20:42 <Lemon> they have no excuses
19:20:52 <Lemon> its not rare at all
19:21:02 <Lemon> it happened to everybody I know at least once or twice
19:22:09 <Ysjoelfir> I mean, if it would be like I get suddenly 25.000€ on my bank account, sure, I would notice that
19:23:04 <Ysjoelfir> but if the first payment for a monthly support is 74.24€ and every one following on that is also 74.24€... how could I notice? its not a huge sum?
19:23:29 <Ysjoelfir> I'm sure they wanted to type like 7.42€ and someone fucked up.
19:23:48 <Ysjoelfir> that difference, for 3.5 years, equates roughly to the 2700€ they want now
19:24:56 <Lemon> yeah I think it was close to what I had too, the sum was a bit lower but still, 2k euros for a student that get less than 500 a month was a bit rough :> thanks my parents were there
19:25:03 <Lemon> but yeah its their fucking mistake
19:25:11 <Lemon> sadly they arent really the one to blame
19:25:18 <Lemon> blame the state for that
19:25:24 <Lemon> they get money where they can
19:25:33 <Lemon> nothing is really private anymore
19:26:18 <Ysjoelfir> in that case the healthcare companies are just dickheads. I have fought so many times with several different of them... they always try to exploit their customers which can't even realy choose if they even want to be customers
19:28:04 <Ysjoelfir> best example: my grandmother needs a respirator at night. half of the year she lived in a camping car on the ruhr because of the better air and her social contacts from the last 40 years being there. the respirator the healthcare guys wanted to give her wasn't a self filling type as they use nowadays, but a HUGE one that houses a 100 liter oxygen bottle
19:28:35 <Ysjoelfir> having that would severely reduce her quality of live as she couldn't visit the camping anymore.
19:29:02 <Ysjoelfir> so I asked for a newer model with an oxygen concentrator, which is common technique since the 2000s
19:29:55 <Ysjoelfir> first argument was like "well, your granny is already pretty old (she was 67 then...), it's not paying off for us to invest for her in a new device!"
19:29:57 <Lemon> yeah my father got a small portable one when he was ill
19:30:08 <Lemon> really ?
19:30:11 <Ysjoelfir> yes
19:30:17 <Lemon> what the fuck man, even here they dont dare to say something like that
19:30:22 <Ysjoelfir> that made me.... just slightly mad as you could immagine
19:30:30 <Lemon> yeah slightly mad
19:30:39 <Lemon> I bet they would need oxygen after leaving my house
19:30:58 <Lemon> thudfucks
19:31:02 <Ysjoelfir> so I started to investigate... found out who the managing director for personel and who the director for technical equipment was....
19:31:36 <Ysjoelfir> wrote long letters, explaining the behaviour of the agent, telling them about the ancient technique and the dangers of an old lady havong to wheelcart a 100 liters oxygen bottle around her flat
19:31:49 <Ysjoelfir> no response
19:32:07 <Ysjoelfir> so i investigated further, found out who their bosses were, wrote to them
19:32:09 <Ysjoelfir> no response
19:32:30 <Ysjoelfir> so I wrote to the local press, who asked questions.
19:32:58 <Lemon> and suddently, everything was wrong
19:33:03 <Lemon> because thats how it works
19:33:10 <Lemon> they prefer to lie to the press
19:33:32 <Ysjoelfir> no. I got a letter, telling me basically to go fuck myself, she won't get a newer device, but instead they agreed that the quality of life is severely reduced, so they offered me a longer hose for the oxygen bottle.
19:34:23 <Ysjoelfir> I wrote back: Yes, sure, I think thats a great idea! would you also be building the poles to support the 35.000 meters long hose on its way from velbert to mühlheim?
19:35:02 <Lemon> haha well thats all you have left I guess, just tell them to fuck themselves...
19:35:16 <Ysjoelfir> no response, I wrote back to the press and also to some local political parties.
19:35:32 <Lemon> you got more strengh than me !
19:36:09 <Ysjoelfir> suddenly they got very hectic. I received three letters, one telling me again to STFU, one telling me that I wont get a new device and one telling me that a driver is coming to pick up the old one and exchange it for a newer one
19:37:09 <Ysjoelfir> the draver came, delivering a new device with a fill station for a portable 5 liter bottle which would last for a weekend. that was a compromise we could live with. ok, the driver should have told my granny how to use that, which didn't happen, but ok. I can live with that
19:37:12 <Ysjoelfir> but
19:37:14 <Ysjoelfir> BUT
19:37:29 <Ysjoelfir> that was 14 years back
19:37:50 <Ysjoelfir> the old resporator with its bigass 100 liters oxygen bottle is still sitting in grannys basement.
19:38:06 <Ysjoelfir> they never came to pick it up, despite me telling them that we still have it
19:39:16 <Lemon> well, you won it I guess
19:39:24 <Lemon> try to find a funny thing to do with :>
19:39:46 <Lemon> but thats horrible how hard you got to fight to get something you are supposed to get in the first place...
19:43:10 <Ysjoelfir> my uncle sometimes uses it for autogen welding on grannys car. so he only needs to carry the torch as propane is there anyway for grannys bbq
19:43:29 <Lemon> thats something I guess :>
19:43:55 <Ysjoelfir> yeah. but the basement is moist and the oxygen bottle already looks pretty rusty
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19:45:07 <Ysjoelfir> i don't feel comfortable knowing that that bomb is in there tbh^^
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19:45:25 <Lemon> yeah thats not wrong !!
19:47:34 <Halcyon> Hey Lemon
19:47:39 <Lemon> hey !
19:48:29 <Halcyon> Lemon you remind me of this old Australian's TV commercial: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DuQAN2SMbiY
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19:54:17 <Halcyon> Also I can't get this out of my head: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iodQ_4iMvz0
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20:02:00 <Ysjoelfir> heh :D
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20:11:33 <Halcyon> Aww man, I need one of these: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KwMvmyRsFI
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20:24:57 <Ysjoelfir> thats basically what my watch does - just slightly bigger
20:45:16 <Lemon> alright when ambient temp of my lab hit 23C im going to write down every resistors for the decade box :>
20:45:19 <Lemon> I got a few of them
20:48:14 <Lemon> like, 120 :>
20:50:42 <Lemon> with some luck, I'll be able to grab some better than 0,05% at least
20:51:14 <Ysjoelfir> I wish you good luck
20:51:29 <Ysjoelfir> I just had a nice lunch after I killed one of those thinfilm power resistors
20:51:45 <Lemon> poor boi :(
20:51:48 <Lemon> thanks !
20:52:02 <Ysjoelfir> since I sampled it I am intrigued to see how the graph turns out :D
20:52:15 <Lemon> I miss the 1R, 10 and 100M I think
20:52:17 <Lemon> im not sure
20:52:35 <Lemon> haha P
20:52:48 <Lemon> ho btw, when you'll be at home, could show me the old power analyzer ? :P
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20:53:54 <Ysjoelfir> ah damn, I forgot yesterday, sorry
20:53:59 <Lemon> no worries !
20:54:04 <Lemon> you got much things to think about
20:55:21 <Ysjoelfir> maybe when you're also online when I'm home you could remind me?
20:56:00 <Lemon> ho sure ! which hour are you coming home ?
20:57:22 <Lemon> also, I should get the parts for my vape monday, or maybe tommorow if im lucky :>
20:57:31 <Lemon> but I wont vape in the lab
20:57:35 <Lemon> im too afraid for the instruments
20:57:40 <Lemon> and its a bad habit anyway
20:58:12 <Ysjoelfir> I'm not sure how the vaping stuff influences instruments, but I doubt that it will do anything positive, so yeah, maybe a better idea :D
20:58:47 <Lemon> well thats vapor, condensation is bad for electronics :>
21:01:29 <Ysjoelfir> yep
21:02:03 <K> is it vapour though?
21:02:11 <K> and not more like mist?
21:02:44 <K> generally vapour takes quite lot energy to make
21:02:46 <Lemon> well its damn cloudy
21:02:59 <Lemon> mine is around 100-120 watts
21:03:20 <Lemon> thats around what a big hit on a chicha produces
21:10:35 <Lemon> it can go up to 240
21:10:42 <Lemon> but 100 is already a lot
21:10:51 <Lemon> most peeps use stuff under 20 watts
21:11:21 * Ysjoelfir used 12W IIRC
21:11:43 * Ysjoelfir 's SWMBO tried it with 2W and managed to burn the cotton
21:11:46 <K> is it really vapour though and not very tiny droplets of liquid?
21:12:05 <Lemon> you should try a more powerful one, its much nicer and soft
21:12:12 <Ysjoelfir> I'm not quite sure about it. I personally would opt for mist. but I never looked at it in that detail
21:12:16 <Lemon> thick af vapour with some droplets
21:12:38 <Lemon> for some reasons, under 20 watts usually feels rough
21:12:48 <Lemon> but when theres lots of vapour, its cold and soft
21:12:53 <Lemon> thats hard to believe I know :>
21:13:15 <Ysjoelfir> Lemon - my... box... thingy could get up to... I think 120 watts or so. but my el cheapo salvaged 18650 don't
21:13:28 <Ysjoelfir> No, its actually pretty understandable
21:13:29 <Lemon> ha yeah take care about that
21:13:48 <Lemon> you could try like 60+, but get the appropriate atomiser
21:13:57 <Ysjoelfir> I actually enjoyed the slight warm sensation in the mouth.
21:14:01 <Lemon> the tfv16 I bought costed me 25 euros :>
21:14:08 <Ysjoelfir> My atomizer should manage basically everything in regards of power
21:14:09 <Lemon> ho it got that sensation too !
21:14:20 <Lemon> it really feels like a cig but softer
21:14:22 <Lemon> thats hard to explain
21:14:28 <Lemon> whats the resistor ?
21:14:37 <Lemon> you need something like 0.12-0.15 ohms
21:14:51 <Ysjoelfir> I never smoked, so I can't comment on the difference between vaping and smoking
21:15:12 <Lemon> its still much nicer
21:15:22 <Lemon> more vapour is really pleasant
21:15:25 <Ysjoelfir> the resistance in on of my atomizers is whatever I stick into it. I could poke a 2.5mm² wire into that if I want to....
21:15:38 <Lemon> ha its one of those ok
21:15:49 <Lemon> I had one but it got stolen along with other stuff
21:16:09 <Ysjoelfir> its one of those very creepy ones that look like a tea pot xD
21:16:24 <Ysjoelfir> with a long snout and a hole on the top where you could drip liquid into
21:16:42 <Lemon> hehe you just need a nice box and some good 18650
21:16:58 <Lemon> tesla invaders are nice
21:17:55 <Ysjoelfir> I need to find the stuff at all xD
21:18:00 <Ysjoelfir> its... somewhere
21:18:15 <Ysjoelfir> also the liquids. though as they are some years old I doubt that they still taste good
21:18:39 <Ysjoelfir> especially that "tutti frutty" china liquid I once got as a gift when I ordered from aliexpress.
21:18:57 <Ysjoelfir> that most likely was made from fermented cows anuses in the first place
21:19:43 <Lemon> forget about those yeah
21:20:06 <Lemon> nicotine can be stored for 10 years, but e-liquid 1-2 years and it already taste like shit
21:21:59 <Ysjoelfir> we have a vaping shop in frankfurt. cute little store. they have a..... "liquid bar", where there are... holes above each stack of liquids and if you push a button under it it puffs a small cloud in your face to smell it.
21:22:08 <Ysjoelfir> that was kind of cute
21:22:48 <Lemon> thats pretty clever !
21:22:58 <Lemon> because most of the time when you buy liquid you just bet you'll like it
21:23:06 <Lemon> like now I bought 50ml, it might be shit
21:23:14 <Lemon> well I doubt it, as its some really good one
21:28:06 <Ysjoelfir> absolutely. you could also get free strands of cotton to clean your atomizer and a few drops of the liquid to try, if you want to
21:28:24 <Ysjoelfir> granted, the shop was way more expensive than buying online. but having service is alwas a plus for me
21:31:45 <Lemon> yeah totally
21:32:04 <Lemon> I used to go to a shop too with a nice girl working there, it was tiny but prices were alrightish
21:32:12 <Lemon> and its great to buy something and get home with it sometimes
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22:54:47 <l_hsn_l> https://youtu.be/xOn3EBYiJ4w nice
23:00:47 <Ysjoelfir> that looks in principle like the good old head drums from VHS :)
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23:29:19 <Ysjoelfir> Lemon!
23:29:20 <Ysjoelfir> https://www.eevblog.com/forum/buysellwanted/(fs)-prema-5000-germany/
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