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00:03:51 * steve30 feels sleepy
00:09:36 <Halcyon> Goodnight all
00:09:46 <Ampera> no
00:27:41 <MrMobodies> Just got one of those Moxa N port DE-302 from Ebay for £35. It wouldn't power up. I opened it up and saw Jackon branded capacitors. I heated up with a hair dryer and it turned on and works fine. Going order some good ones later.
00:27:51 <MrMobodies> A bit disappointed they are suppose to be reliable.
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00:53:58 <IoTPanic> @Halcyon I wish I was around, night
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02:22:36 <mrpackethead> buzzzzzzzzzz...
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02:56:14 <DHess_US> https://i.imgur.com/XrHgNzl.jpg
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03:16:28 <IoTPanic> Lmao
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04:45:38 <bveina> hey all
04:46:42 <bveina> anyone here ever play around with the rigol DM3058 SCPI commands?
04:49:05 <bveina> im having a devil of a time, ive got about 30-50 that i need to calibrate or at least verify they are still in spec. a quick visa/python combo takes care of the checking for in spec. but the calibration is more difficult.
04:50:17 <bveina> the calibration manual only shows a manual way of doing it, which would require typeing in the password 3 dozen or so times once per range per (V/I/R/C)
04:50:28 <bveina> that seems so inefficient.
04:51:18 <bveina> there does seem to be an undocumented SCPI command burried in the firmware :SYSTem:PRODuce:PASSword
04:51:26 <bveina> but it doesnt seem to do much
04:54:24 <bveina> the other related command seems to be :SYSTem:PRODuce:CLOSe
04:54:31 <bveina> both take an arument
05:06:52 <bveina> there is also ":CALIBRATION:STEP <n>" but there is zero documentation on what each step should be.
05:06:59 <bveina> anyone have any thoughts?
05:13:25 <IoTPanic> If its a python script, why does it matter you have to enter the password three times?
05:15:11 <IoTPanic> Ah, because its the security code? or is it a separate password on the SCPI interface?
05:16:25 <bveina> sorry, i wasnt clear, the only way is to MANUALLY press buttons on the front panel
05:16:45 <bveina> if i could send the password via scpi i couldent care less
05:16:52 <IoTPanic> Yes, so its because of the security code. Thats a bitch...
05:17:27 <bveina> but to enter DMCAL by scrolling 0-9abcd, 0-9abcdefghijklm....ect
05:17:41 <IoTPanic> What does system produce password do?
05:17:44 <bveina> that would get ol---it has gotten old real fast
05:17:45 <IoTPanic> ill brb
05:18:00 <bveina> it lets you go into calibration mode.
05:18:18 <bveina> its a safety measure to keep people from accidentally mucking about.
05:18:39 <bveina> oh the command? it doesnt seem to do anything
05:19:05 <bveina> i can recognize bad or invalid commands because the DMM buzzer beeps if an invalid command is sent
05:19:27 <bveina> but ":SYST:PRODUCE:PASSWORD 1" doeant kick bacl
05:21:00 <bveina> *doesnt kick back
05:21:11 <bveina> it just...stays
05:29:28 <IoTPanic> Hm... interesting
05:29:40 <IoTPanic> I really dont know, I dont calibrate meters
05:32:22 <IoTPanic> Probably should learn how
05:35:34 <bveina> it used to be simple, have i nice expensive calibrator, adjust inside the machine until the two readouts matchup.
05:35:45 <bveina> now, its all done auto-magically
05:35:57 <IoTPanic> Im sure it is
05:36:07 <bveina> you just have to put in the right datapoints and the things calibrate themselves
05:36:51 <IoTPanic> Yeah, thats pretty cool. But where does it get a refrence?
05:37:00 <IoTPanic> reference**
05:44:27 <bveina> my fluke5500A calibrator
05:45:00 <bveina> that beast i send out for calibration. then i can use that to calibrate everything else
05:46:22 <IoTPanic> Ah, I was wondering about the "auto-magically" with some data points it sounded like you were saying there was some digital logic somehow compensating a internal reference but that makes a lot more sense
05:51:06 <bveina> this particular DMM just wants to know a zero and a full scale measurement at each range
05:51:21 <bveina> that is enough for it to compensate for drift
05:51:41 <bveina> im not a metrology expert but the concept is sound
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07:03:04 <bveina> well ive given up on the DM3058 for the day and swapped over to the fluke 45's verification routine.
07:03:22 <bveina> at least i found a db9 crossover cable in the bin.
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07:45:52 <Marten> Hello dave
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07:49:46 <Ampera> Marten: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rblYSKz_VnI
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07:58:13 <IoTPanic> Good song
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08:03:27 <randohinn> o/
08:03:50 <randohinn> Anyone here good at CPU performance calculations?
08:04:06 <randohinn> Cant seem to figure out two formulas for these calculations I've been presented with...
08:05:23 <randohinn> I've been given the probability 91% of finding a command in the cache, the probability 96% of finding data from the cache, the prercentage of commands that need data from the memory 22% and cycle counts for miss penalty 21 cycles
08:06:06 <randohinn> asked to find how many cycles the increase in ending two consecutive commands is
08:06:19 <randohinn> thats 1
08:06:57 <randohinn> 2) same data, no hazards, asked to find the command troughput (MIPS) with a 1.1GHz processor feq.
08:07:12 <randohinn> 3 https://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/413387/pipelining-speed-calculations
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08:23:06 <randohinn> Iam: can you do cpu performance calculations by any chance :P ?
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08:41:28 <DHess_US> Three different copies of Fellowship of the Ring and zero copies of The Two Towers - FML
08:44:05 <Ampera> DHess_US, what do you expect after a post 9/11 world?
08:44:22 <Ampera> *after -> from
08:45:24 <randohinn> god dammit
08:45:31 <randohinn> can't find the formulas in my slides
08:45:46 <randohinn> nor the 700p book the slides are based on
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10:16:50 <MrMobodies> I have just finished for today building under desk shelves to join to the wiring trays.
10:18:13 <MrMobodies> No more dangling of wires here and there. It's alright in the workshop but not in the bedroom, well the desks have lots of space underneath but nothing to hide the wires.
10:18:58 <rust_collector> so..... now it looks like you have wireless power?
10:19:08 <MrMobodies> I have that too
10:20:24 <MrMobodies> Under the desk I mounted couple of shelves one for the 24 port switch and the other for the powerpacks but I have a shelf dedicated for them under all desks
10:20:42 <MrMobodies> a basket for the mains cables and a wooden shelf for network and data cables.
10:21:02 <rust_collector> sounds good to me
10:21:07 <MrMobodies> When it is all finished I'll have photos
10:22:46 <rust_collector> Hmm, I do have a "big" switch. I just have no use for it, but it looks pretty cool
10:23:09 <MrMobodies> I have a 48 port gigabit, and 3 cables in the attic I use in Lag
10:23:17 <MrMobodies> I cabled the whole house.
10:23:47 <MrMobodies> It is nice to have big switches for all kinds of things and experiments
10:24:12 <rust_collector> Like?
10:24:15 <MrMobodies> And the little 12v 8 port managed pocket sized ones that you can take around.
10:24:30 <MrMobodies> Oh for experiments with my vlans
10:24:41 <MrMobodies> And tagging for work
10:24:53 <MrMobodies> and I like to see the traffic stats on the ports
10:25:05 <MrMobodies> I like to play with it.
10:25:10 <rust_collector> nerd, lol
10:25:10 <MrMobodies> Gives me pleasure.
10:25:36 <rust_collector> well, we all have our... things
10:25:58 <MrMobodies> things... I like that.
10:27:53 <rust_collector> Hmm, I should see if the thing powers up. I have not used it, it is an old hp something something. probably not gigabit. I also have no idea about managing such things
10:28:56 <MrMobodies> If it is a managed switch some of them state a default IP on the back or and they have a factory default button as well as a reset.
10:30:11 <rust_collector> right. I have to look for that then
10:31:22 <rust_collector> even if it does not work, it does look pretty cool, imo
10:33:03 <MrMobodies> If it doesn't appear to power up, unplug and try blowing a bit of hot air inside and then plug back in. Then it'll be the capacitors.
10:33:27 <MrMobodies> Oh using something like a hair dryer.
10:33:40 <MrMobodies> through the vents.
10:35:12 <rust_collector> well, I have to find the thing first... I think I know which room it is in...
10:35:29 <rust_collector> but thanks for the tip
10:40:05 <MrMobodies> Okay. For my desk I brought 40 brackets of a certain size 80x80x20 for 24p each from a carpenters yard shop. In B&Q they chargering £1.53 each for the SAME thing.
12:18:55 <IoTPanic> ELB + ECS is so amazing.... UNLIMITED POWA
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12:22:42 <SeriousD> Hello
12:42:49 <Halcyon> Morning all
12:42:58 <Halcyon> Actually afternoon
12:46:53 <damian> good afternoon, friends!
12:47:32 <damian> how many pences in a poundes
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12:59:24 <IoTPanic> Morning afternoon
13:18:39 <steve30> o/
13:51:55 <Halcyon> Hey Steve :)
13:54:53 <IoTPanic> I love it when the girlfriend takes a shower, relaxation for both
13:56:31 <Halcyon> Are you wanking?
13:59:33 <IoTPanic> Nope, I know what comes after
13:59:48 <Halcyon> What ?
13:59:59 <Halcyon> Complaining?
14:00:19 <IoTPanic> Nope, something shaved
14:00:26 <Halcyon> Ewww
14:00:27 <Halcyon> :P
14:01:11 <IoTPanic> Im just enjoying youtube and a bob marley iced tea
14:01:26 <Halcyon> What's a Bob Marley iced tea?
14:02:07 <IoTPanic> A iced tea that uses bob marley's name for its marketing. Or bob marley makes it, i dont know.
14:02:17 <Halcyon> Oh right
14:02:23 <Halcyon> I thought it might have been come kind of cocktail
14:04:02 <Halcyon> Gees Carbon Zinc batteries are cheap, 20 cents each for Mitsubishi ones.
14:04:09 <Halcyon> I mean I know they are Carbon Zinc but still
14:04:25 <IoTPanic> I will make it into one in a few years, or go fuck it, I am a god damn adult fuck the policia where is my yellow vest.
14:04:43 <Halcyon> Heh
14:04:52 * Halcyon sips on bubbly wine
14:05:03 * IoTPanic takes a bong hit
14:05:14 <Halcyon> Gross
14:05:29 <IoTPanic> Fight me, Maine is awesome
14:06:02 <IoTPanic> And wdym? Some is, but you can get all diffrent kinds that taste good or have diffrent aromas
14:06:03 <Halcyon> I love flicking through electronics catalogs, so much stuff I could buy but don't really need
14:06:10 <IoTPanic> And yes
14:06:27 <Halcyon> I'm anti-drugs
14:06:34 <IoTPanic> Your drinking one now
14:06:41 <Halcyon> *illicit drugs
14:06:52 <Halcyon> If you want to take them, knock yourself out, but I don't touch them
14:06:54 <IoTPanic> Alcohal overdoses kill many many people
14:07:04 <Halcyon> Yes yes, I know the stats and arguments
14:07:05 <IoTPanic> No one has ever died from THC overdoes
14:07:12 <IoTPanic> Someone will soon
14:07:19 <IoTPanic> But not natrually
14:07:31 <IoTPanic> I am literally smoking a flower
14:07:47 <Halcyon> Injuries due to alcohol aren't because of the alcohol itself, it's due to assaults and people falling over and hitting things.
14:07:59 <Halcyon> Just drink moderately and don't get legless. Simples.
14:08:21 <IoTPanic> I am specifying alcohal overdoses, not injuries, but people dont moderate
14:08:27 <IoTPanic> You should know that
14:08:35 <Halcyon> Anything in large enough quantities is bad
14:08:58 <Halcyon> Those sorts of cases are in a category all on their own and don't apply to 99% of people.
14:09:06 <andtfoot> I'm not really against consumed drugs or when people smoke in private, but publicly smoked drugs annoy the crap out of me; it assumes everyone in the general vicinity also wants to smoke those drugs.
14:09:11 <IoTPanic> That is usually my point, but I just prefer getting stoned
14:09:30 <IoTPanic> And yeah, I do it in my own home
14:09:45 <Halcyon> IoTPanic: What you do in your own home doesn't bother me. Just don't jump behind the wheel of a car whilst baked.
14:10:05 <IoTPanic> I know. i dont
14:10:11 <Halcyon> Good boy :)
14:10:12 <IoTPanic> I cant, but if I could I am aware
14:10:45 <IoTPanic> I know Im impaired, Im not smoking 24/7, I get home from work and unwind a little like you do with that wine
14:10:57 <Halcyon> *nod*
14:11:07 <Halcyon> I'm not trying to convert you :)
14:11:09 <Halcyon> Just talking
14:11:53 <IoTPanic> I find the we have to smoke or drink all the time mentality reeallllyyy annoying, found this article about alcohlic water earlier today. And I know, youre not gettin in my grill
14:12:02 <IoTPanic> Last thing we need
14:12:20 <Halcyon> Indeed
14:12:35 <Halcyon> I generally don't drink during the week if I have to work the next day.
14:13:01 <IoTPanic> I dont think I could do that, my brain is a slushy when I get home from work
14:13:15 <Halcyon> Might be something to do with weed ;-)
14:13:17 <Halcyon> :P
14:13:21 <Halcyon> *poke poke*
14:14:05 <IoTPanic> I actually dont have to take medication with bad side effects anymore and it I've found it helped quit tobacco which hindered my work and thinking a LOOOTT more
14:14:09 <IoTPanic> tobacco is fucked
14:14:17 <Halcyon> Yeh it is
14:14:20 <IoTPanic> Or what is given to you as tobacco
14:14:26 <IoTPanic> Rather'
14:14:29 <Halcyon> I can't stand smokers
14:14:38 <Halcyon> It fucking stinks and nothing is good about it
14:15:12 <IoTPanic> I can stand them. But omg, stopping was the weridest thing ever
14:16:25 <IoTPanic> Smells and taste came back suddenly, I was SOOOOOO hungry. It was like someone went up there with a dremel with a cat on the end of it and screwed around my brain
14:16:54 <Halcyon> Hehe
14:17:03 <Halcyon> Yeh smoking really fucks with a lot of things
14:19:06 <IoTPanic> M, catch any rowdy criminals today?
14:19:27 <Halcyon> I don't work in uniform anymore
14:19:30 <Halcyon> Haven't for years
14:19:36 <IoTPanic> Oh.
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14:25:31 <Halcyon> Going to have a lazy day today I think
14:25:35 <Halcyon> I was going to go housework, but meh
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14:42:35 <IoTPanic> Lol, I feel
15:25:20 <SeriousD> anybody still out there ?
15:25:28 <Ampera> no
15:25:30 <Ampera> I am gone.
15:30:46 <SeriousD> can anybody give me a hint how to handle lifepo4 batteries in a 2s2p configutation? I cnat find any ics to balance such a configuration ... is balancing needed?
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15:45:24 <Halcyon> Hey Ampera
15:45:39 <Ampera> Hi Halcyon
15:45:42 <Halcyon> What's doing ?
15:45:53 <Ampera> I just ate a huge bowl of cereal
15:46:20 <Halcyon> What kind of cereal?
15:46:50 <Ampera> Rice Krispies
15:46:58 <Halcyon> Are they like Rice Bubbles?
15:47:12 <Halcyon> https://www.kelloggs.com.au/en_AU/brands/rice-bubbles.html
15:47:13 <Ampera> They are exactly the same.
15:47:22 <Halcyon> Ahh
15:47:27 <Ampera> including the same mascots, snap crackle and pop.
15:48:07 <Ampera> How extravagant do your breakfast cereals tend to be, Halcyon?
15:48:22 <Halcyon> I don't generally eat cereal
15:48:32 <Halcyon> I'm a coffee and toast kind of person
15:48:37 <Halcyon> Maybe bacon and eggs
15:48:41 <Ampera> I'm just curious, because America is (in)famous for our junky breakfast cereals.
15:48:46 <Ampera> I don't eat breakfast most of the time.
15:48:56 <Ampera> This was my dinner.
15:49:30 <Halcyon> We have stuff like Froot Loops here
15:49:35 <Halcyon> But I've never bought them
15:49:47 <Ampera> We have stuff beyond just gay loops.
15:49:58 <Halcyon> I think they are probably the worst you can get here in most supermarkets
15:50:10 <Halcyon> Yeh you guys have frosted cereals and stuff
15:50:13 <Ampera> We literally have a cereal that is actually coated in sugar
15:50:17 <Ampera> Cinnamon Toast Crunch
15:50:25 <Ampera> it's delicious though
15:50:39 <Halcyon> You could probably find that stuff here, but you'd need to really look for it
15:50:55 <Ampera> It's in every store here.
15:51:00 <Halcyon> http://www.usafoods.com.au/General-Mills-Cinnamon-Toast-Crunch-12-2oz
15:51:07 <Halcyon> You can buy it from online stores
15:51:24 <Ampera> Holy fuck that's expensive.
15:51:42 <Halcyon> Yep those types of "Imported foods" stores generally are
15:51:52 <Ampera> You can get a massive bag of that stuff for close to that price.
15:52:24 <Halcyon> They just mark it up because it's unusual here
15:52:35 <Ampera> 24oz box for 5.59 (out of stock though)
15:52:41 <Halcyon> The only thing I wish the supermarkets sold here would be Mint Milanos
15:52:43 <Ampera> I'd have to go to a store to get the real price.
15:52:44 <Halcyon> I love those things
15:52:48 <Halcyon> SO bad for you, but so good
15:53:03 <Ampera> Well you complained when I tried to send you some >:(
15:53:13 <Halcyon> You don't need to send me anything :P
15:53:55 <Ampera> pretty much everybody is getting mechanical keyboards this year. My dad got one for my mom, by my suggestion, and my grandfather wanted to get one just for my dad, but he accidentally ordered 2
15:54:02 <Ampera> so he'll either return it or give it to my brother.
15:54:57 <Halcyon> Fair enough
15:55:28 <Ampera> if he does give it to my brother, everyone in this house will have Cherry MX based keyboards, all of them Ducky Ones
16:57:30 <damian> cinnamon toast crunch .. that's a cereal?!?
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18:09:06 <Halcyon> *stretch*
18:10:18 <Halcyon> I just had a nap
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19:00:47 <Ampera> Halcyon, light show outside.
19:21:56 <Halcyon> Fireworks?
19:22:46 <Halcyon> I'm making piri piri chicken on the BBQ, been marinading all day
19:24:28 <Ampera> No, lightning
19:24:34 <Halcyon> Oh fun :)
19:24:34 <Ampera> Fairly rare where I live.
19:24:37 <Halcyon> Yeh you were saying
19:25:58 <Halcyon> https://www.accuweather.com/en/us/albany-ny/weather-radar-r1h
19:26:05 <Halcyon> Doesn't look too bad
19:26:29 <Ampera> what do you mean not too bad? I'm literally smack dab right in the yellow/red
19:26:50 <Halcyon> If it were really bad, why aren't you unplugging stuff?
19:27:22 <Ampera> because our power grid isn't made up of kangaroo whiskers tied to broomsticks.
19:27:30 <Halcyon> Lightning is lightning
19:27:36 <Halcyon> Your grid is the same as ours :P
19:27:46 <Ampera> While it is lightining out, it's nowhere near enough to knock off the grid, nor even cause a surge.
19:28:05 <Ampera> 12 years I've lived here and we've never once lost anything due to lighning (that we particularly know of).
19:28:05 <Halcyon> All it takes is one strike, no surge protector will protect you from that
19:28:29 <Ampera> It's never happened, it has to be an incredible storm for me to want to unplug stuff.
19:28:38 <Halcyon> Suit yourself :)
19:28:54 <Halcyon> I speak from experience, then again, the last direct strike we had took out a 100 pair copper telephone cable
19:29:17 <Halcyon> I lost a modem, a switch, a Sonos speaker and 1 NIC out of my old desktop PC
19:29:41 <Ampera> We've not lost anything ever. We also can't get power surges through our telecoms stuff
19:29:51 <Ampera> not exclusively anyways.
19:29:51 <Halcyon> No, surges don't travel up glass
19:29:56 <Ampera> aye
19:30:06 <Halcyon> But had that strike been on the power lines, I suspect the damage would have been far greater
19:30:36 <Ampera> As I said, 12 years living here and never once a power surge. It's always wind and trees falling that can even take down the lines.
19:30:51 <Halcyon> I hadn't lost anything before that either
19:31:09 <Halcyon> I'm just saying, you can't predict it and past experience isn't indicative of the future.
19:31:39 <Halcyon> But the day it happens, you'll be more careful :)
19:32:06 <Ampera> Unless it never happens.
19:32:08 <Ampera> I'
19:32:27 <Ampera> I'm not going to unplug stuff whenever it storms, if I did I'd be unplugging things 2-3 times a month.
19:33:25 <Halcyon> Most surge protection in power boards and power supplies might handle 10's or 100's of joules.... an average lightning strike is hundreds of thousands of joules.
19:33:35 <Halcyon> You said you rarely get storms, now its 2-3 times a month? Which is it?
19:33:49 <Ampera> I said we rarely get lightning
19:33:54 <Ampera> that we can see anyways
19:34:12 <Halcyon> I might unplug gear maybe 2-3 times a year
19:34:27 <Halcyon> It's really not that big of a deal in order to save my equipment, but meh. That's just me.
19:35:00 <Halcyon> I learnt the hard way
19:35:15 <Ampera> I'm not saying it can't happen, it's just so unlikely I don't want to bother myself with unplugging random shit.
19:35:21 <Halcyon> Anyway back later, BBQ should be hot enough now :D
19:35:25 <Halcyon> Mmmm piri piri
19:36:06 <mrpackethead> the bbq is running Austnet, they had to put some more coal in it to keep it going?
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20:00:59 * DogWomble feeds the hamsters
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21:06:23 <Halcyon> That was probably the best piri piri chicken burger I've ever had
21:06:31 <Halcyon> Aww you have hamsters Tim ?
21:07:57 * ThunderSqueak wiggles.
21:09:13 <Halcyon> Hey ThunderSqueak, what's happening ?
21:11:08 <ThunderSqueak> not much, got home an hour ago and doing laundry before going to bed
21:11:11 <ThunderSqueak> I want clean sheets
21:11:38 <ThunderSqueak> took some friends gifts and watched a movie
21:11:55 <ThunderSqueak> had a soda and some chedder popcorn, overall a good evening
21:11:59 <Halcyon> Aww now I want clean sheets
21:12:07 <Halcyon> It's the best feeling aside from a massage
21:12:13 <ThunderSqueak> it really is
21:12:45 <Halcyon> You have motivated me :)
21:12:55 <Halcyon> I was going to do large laundry items tomorrow anyway
21:13:10 <ThunderSqueak> XD
21:26:36 <ThunderSqueak> yay.. all ready in pajamas, now for bedding to finish... then I can crawl into dryer warm sheets and blankies in the middle of a cold alaskan winter night
21:29:06 <ThunderSqueak> the friends I was hanging with, I think he seriously pissed his wife off at the end of the night
21:29:45 <ThunderSqueak> shot her with a ping pong ball gun twice
21:29:58 <ThunderSqueak> I was like "....."
21:30:06 <ThunderSqueak> she was like "not cool"
21:37:40 <Halcyon> YAY! I have new sheets :D
21:41:46 <ThunderSqueak> hmm https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MJhVk4Z1Zc
21:42:10 <ThunderSqueak> those look like awesome pancakes
21:42:51 <Halcyon> They look like thick pikelets
21:44:31 <Halcyon> https://www.taste.com.au/recipes/pikelets-2/a58a2b82-8a6c-46e8-879d-eea3156669b3
21:44:34 <ThunderSqueak> souffle
21:45:49 <ThunderSqueak> looks like she just made a meringue and folded it into a normal batter
21:49:34 <Halcyon> Yeh it does
21:50:32 <ThunderSqueak> still, cool idea
21:50:42 <ThunderSqueak> might do that next time I make pancakes
21:52:15 <ThunderSqueak> maybe on a D&D night or something ...
21:52:27 <ThunderSqueak> so I can hear the players all say "woah" XD
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