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12:47 <StanAccy> Im looking for advice on connecting two bench PSUs in parallel. Can I just join the ouputs together or do I have to do something special to prevent daamge / prevent the PSUs from fighting each other?
13:47 <StanAccy> I found an article from Keysight that talks about setting one unit in CV mode and the others in CC mode. Other videos on YouTube just join the wires, and a radio-ham guy talked about having some sort of high wattage low value resistor on each output before joining the wires
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36:45 <steve30> I can see a resistor being useful, because if one PSU has a slightly higher voltage than the other, current will flow from one into the other.
12:58 <DHess_US> Variable bench power supplies are usually *not* protected against reverse voltage so one place to start is to add series diodes on the outputs which is commonly done with redundant N+1 power supplies.
13:37 <DHess_US> The real way is to use a power supply designed for parallel operation but that isn't common with variable bench power supplies.
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33:48 <StanAccy> Thanks
35:12 <StanAccy> Ive seen the ads for the parallel operation supplies - unfortunately I dont have those on my bench :-) Just 2x 5A supplies
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42:01 <DHess_US> What a miserable day today. I crossed the Missouri river twice. It is below freezing, damp, windy, and overcast. Missouri is living up to its name.
57:59 <coppice> business trip, I assume, because we all know Missouri loves company
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03:44 <Athlon> hello
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07:40 <DHess_US> coppice, just a bad day to be running around outside doing chores.
08:09 <DHess_US> Below freezing, windy, and damp just sucks.
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05:44 <Halcyon> Morning everyone
14:24 <steve30> hi Halcyon
14:31 <Halcyon> What's happening Steve?
14:32 <steve30> Its gone a bit cold in here
14:37 <Ampera> hi Halcyon
14:44 <Halcyon> Hey Ampera :)
14:49 * Halcyon slaps Ampera on the butt
14:53 <Halcyon> What's cold?
15:12 <steve30> The room. I've wrapped myself up in a blanket :)
15:15 * T3sl4 brrs
15:16 * Ampera hits Halcyon with a lead pipe
15:26 <T3sl4> tis rather icy here, at least where there used to be water
15:37 <T3sl4> it's been threatening to snow, but hasn't committed yet
15:41 <Ampera> I consider it cold when the outside temperature drops below 45F, and when the indoor temperature drops below 55
15:41 <Halcyon> Steve: Yes I understand the room, but what temperature is "cold" to you?
18:40 <steve30> Its 21C in here
19:12 <Halcyon> 21 is cold ?!
20:46 <T3sl4> indoors, yes
20:53 <Halcyon> You guys are weird
20:54 <T3sl4> at 21C I can't even take my pants off
21:00 <Halcyon> 21 is too hot for me to sleep
21:03 <Halcyon> And I sleep naked
21:28 <DHess_US> Tomorrow we might get up to 0.
21:41 <Halcyon> It is currently 21.2 inside today and its gorgeous. Probably about 25 outside.
21:50 <DHess_US> I wouldn't mind the cold outside so much if it wasn't windy, damp, and overcast.
23:16 <steve30> I think I'd prefer 22 or 23 indoors
23:40 <Halcyon> Steve I would have thought being from the UK you would be used to the cold
23:49 <Halcyon> Like 10-15C indoors would be OK
23:58 <Halcyon> Because you lot also complain when it's "hot"
25:47 * steve30 cosies up in his blanket and watches some EEVBlog
27:05 * Halcyon tunnels under Steve's blanket
30:08 * T3sl4 sprays Halcyon with the water bottle
32:30 <Halcyon> :P
34:31 <Halcyon> It's 1030, I probably should have breakfast
36:48 * T3sl4 sticks a wine bottle in Halcyon
36:53 <T3sl4> (whichever end you like)
37:39 <Halcyon> It's a bit too early for wine
37:49 <T3sl4> not this morning, bitch
38:05 <Halcyon> Actually I know a guy who likes to... hmm... "consume" alcohol through his rear passage
38:12 <Halcyon> Apparently it gets him quite smashed
38:16 <T3sl4> yes, butt chugging is also a thing :P
38:34 <Halcyon> He also likes rather large things up there generally... straight guy too.
38:39 <Halcyon> Actually, probably bi
38:44 <Halcyon> But yeh, has a wife etc...
38:55 <T3sl4> nothing wrong with that
38:59 <Halcyon> Not saying there is
39:03 <Halcyon> You just reminded me of it :)
39:03 <T3sl4> indeed, the great thing about butts is everyone has one
39:13 <Halcyon> Yes but women don't get the same pleasure
39:27 <T3sl4> depends, AFAIK
39:37 <Halcyon> For guys it's about the prostate stimulation
40:02 <T3sl4> not having a one of those is probably a bit of a downer (not that there's any way for anyone to directly compare)
40:13 <Halcyon> True
40:33 <Halcyon> Although I would say its far more common for guys to enjoy butt play than it is for women
40:53 <Halcyon> Pegging, for example, is also a thing many enjoy
41:58 <T3sl4> i'm aware of square peg toys, though i don't know what the breakdown of their customer base is, but i suspect it is biased that way
42:17 <Halcyon> Square?
42:37 <T3sl4> www.squarepegtoys.com i think?
42:42 <Halcyon> Oh it's the name of a company
42:50 <Halcyon> Not literally square pegs
42:54 <T3sl4> well
43:03 <Halcyon> They do have square pegs?
43:18 <T3sl4> idunno, i guess they make a lotta stuff :P
43:23 <Halcyon> Wow, there is quite the selection
44:08 <Halcyon> Sounding is something I have never tried and don't think I ever will
44:31 <T3sl4> hah
45:58 * steve30 pets Halcyon 
46:38 <coppice> pegging? must be something to do with washing lines
47:21 <Halcyon> https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pegging
48:08 <T3sl4> i doubt you need to explain pegging to our good "stiff upper"-something-or-other friend coppice
48:41 <coppice> T3sl4: from talking to some of the toy makers in southern China, I imagine the production volumes at square peg toys are quite good
49:10 <T3sl4> there's no shortage of assholes, that's for sure
57:49 <Halcyon> Oooh new BIOS version for one of my servers released 2 days ago
58:07 <Halcyon> I love how I have an EOL Supermicro server, but they still update the BIOS for it
58:15 <Halcyon> This one addresses Spectre
00:14 <coppice> If they update the BIOS of a board that's near the end of its life, which they often do, I get the feeling some distie found a large pile of them in a shed somewhere
02:02 <T3sl4> one can only hope
04:02 <coppice> That sounds audacious
04:52 <T3sl4> truly golden
05:08 <Halcyon> This board was released in 2013
05:14 <Halcyon> It's been EOL for quite some time
12:02 <Halcyon> Back shortly, need to reboot servers
12:44 <Tezzers> Any of you able to recommend an electric screwdriver? My boss told me to have the coworker with the credit card to order me an electric screwdriver, and find him a specific screwdriver bit and have that purchased too, but it appears that it's no longer sold as a current model. https://www.homedepot.com/p/Milwaukee-M4-4-Volt-Lithium-Ion-Cordless-1-4-in-Hex-Screwdriver-2-Battery-Kit-2101-22/203857652
13:49 * T3sl4 offers Tezzers a sonic one instead
14:22 <Tezzers> I don't get it, T3sl4
14:31 <T3sl4> it's a dr who reference
14:41 <T3sl4> that one is probably fine, but it won't be driving, like, deck screws, at least at any useful rate and quantity
15:01 <Tezzers> I mean, that's what we have now
15:29 <T3sl4> if you want something better than that, then i'd just as well suggest a normal drill motor
15:30 <Tezzers> We have two of them, and five people. But, I took one of them today for the day, so he told me we should order another one, even though we usually have at least one free anyway but :shrug:
16:02 <Tezzers> That one is good for what we use it for - but it's not sold many other places. Like, Amazon has it as only third party sellers
16:08 <Tezzers> Like it's a product being discontinued
18:42 <T3sl4> really, hmm
19:22 <Tezzers> Probably can just get that from HD, I think they do tax exempt
19:29 <Tezzers> But, options are still nice :P
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23:52 <DHess_US> Tezzers, for routine stuff a good cordless electric drill works great. But if you are dealing with difficult to drive screws, then a cordless 1/4" impact driver is even better.
24:27 <DHess_US> Both are better than a dedicated electric screwdriver.
24:38 <Tezzers> No, they're not.
25:01 <DHess_US> The impact driver is better where there is a risk of strippng the screw head.
25:11 <Tezzers> When you're only use case is for driving machine screws, and a majority of tehm are 4-40 to 10-32
26:57 <Tezzers> Which is why I asked if anyone could recommend an electric screwdriver, and not an impact or a drill :P Because I know what my preferences are, and what my use case is, and what I'm looking for. Just not maybe other brands I could grab :v
27:44 <DHess_US> For reliability on smaller screws in a production environment a torque driver should be used anyway but they aren't cheap.
28:25 <Tezzers> We're not a production environment. We don't torque every screw. We use common sense.
28:26 <DHess_US> My personal experience is that all electric screwdrivers suck.
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29:18 <DHess_US> Impact drivers at least don't ruin the bits.
29:42 <Tezzers> Impact drivers are a lot bigger and have a lot less control on torque.
30:18 <Tezzers> They're meant to drive 3" deck screws in hardwood. Not tighten 32 4-40s
30:33 <T3sl4> loosen 4-40's perhaps
30:39 <T3sl4> loosen the heads off the threads, i mean
31:00 <coppice> they won't always have the intended impact
32:55 <Tezzers> If I try to use a screwgun to loosen lug nuts it won't work well. If I use a 1" impact to put the lug nuts back on, and it's a little Toyota Corolla, it's going to shear the lugs. Electric screwdrivers don't all suck. They suck at doing everything but small screws in tapped holes. They're good for their purpose.
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13:08 <Halcyon> I have just discovered Jalapeno mustard
13:09 <Halcyon> OMG
14:01 <Halcyon> https://chilemojo.com.au/beaver-jalape-o-mustard-368gm.html
17:43 <T3sl4> seems reasonable
18:20 <Halcyon> It's devine
27:13 <T3sl4> ava devine?
27:18 <T3sl4> ...i mean erm, nothing
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51:46 <Halcyon> Grrr, Linux is doing some weird shit
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53:57 <Halcyon> What happened there?
54:25 <coppice> dead and rebirth
54:28 <Halcyon> Ah
54:57 <Halcyon> Why the hell would my machine hard lock and reset just by copying files from a local disk to a network share
02:21 <coppice> because the network was brought up badly, and didn't learn to share
02:31 <Halcyon> :(
12:18 <DHess_US> It shouldn't. Hardware or driver failure can cause that.
12:42 <Halcyon> Nothing has changed though and everything else on the system works fine
12:58 <DHess_US> When I install a new disk or network, I checksum everything I copy over and check for errors on the other side for a while.
13:35 <Halcyon> Even if it was corrupt data, it shouldn't cause a failure of the system
13:41 <Halcyon> It should just copy over corrupt data
13:50 <DHess_US> I actually have a script which copies files back adn forth while check them until I stop it.
14:24 <DHess_US> The fun part is how to *make* files of various sizes to copy when you have no data source.
15:22 <DHess_US> It pipes a command output into a file and uses that to start by copying the file and appending it for a geometric increase in size on every copy pass.
16:25 <DHess_US> It has found bad network cards, hard drives, and RAM before.
19:53 <Halcyon> Back shortly...
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33:58 <T3sl4> (/^-^)/ net split dance!
34:13 <T3sl4> just for that, i'm going to share that i got yet another LCD working: https://www.seventransistorlabs.com/Images/ActiveLoadLCD3.jpg
45:28 <Ampera> oh, that's the first netsplit I've seen on austnet
51:26 <DHess_US> That was no netsplit. I fell asleep for 5 minutes. When I sleep, nobody else exists.
54:16 * T3sl4 ponders this
56:09 <DHess_US> I wish displays were more standardized.
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07:44 <Halcyon> Flashing BIOS's on servers always makes me nervous
08:48 <DHess_US> I can't say that I have ever had the BIOS flashing process fail but I know others that have.
09:23 <DHess_US> I usually flash them twice on the theory that overwriting the cells with the same data is actually better.
09:33 <Halcyon> I've only had BIOS updates fail twice, once was back in the 90's where a bad floppy disk wrote corrupt data to the BIOS and bricked the board. These days that's fixed with checksums
09:53 <Halcyon> But not long ago I flashed the BIOS on a consumer mobo and Windows just bluescreened on boot
10:01 <Halcyon> Even after I put the original config and BIOS version back
10:19 <DHess_US> I've had that happen with EPROMs but of course there I could erase and program again.
10:36 <DHess_US> Oh, *that* I have had happen.
10:36 <Halcyon> I don't see why flashing it twice does anything different? BIOS updates on most boards erase the cells first before writing to them again.
10:54 <DHess_US> The cells never return to exactly the same state after erasing.
11:03 <Halcyon> *shrug*
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11:08 <Halcyon> I've never ever had an issue before
11:12 <damian> well look at that
11:29 <Halcyon> What are you playing with damian?
11:32 <DHess_US> And some floating memory programming algorythms are questionable.
11:43 <damian> myself ;)
11:46 <damian> but also webchat
11:48 <Halcyon> But anyway, both servers are flashed and updated :)
11:55 <Halcyon> The NAS makes me the most nervous
12:05 <Halcyon> damian: Done that twice already today :P
12:16 <DHess_US> Halcyon, it's probably a habit I picked up from the EPROM days where erasing and reprogramming a part could actually work if it failed the first time because it was worn.
12:19 <damian> you've played with my webchat twice?!
12:21 <damian> kinky
12:26 <Halcyon> That too ;)
12:33 <damian> check your messages please
13:13 <DHess_US> What I worry about more is flashing some embedded system where if it fails, or even works, loss of access to existing data is possible.
13:23 <DHess_US> Like a NAS.
13:30 <Halcyon> *nod*
13:56 <Halcyon> Although I run ZFS, I *should* be able to pull out all the disks and connect them to another box (in any order) and have it pick it all up again
14:34 <DHess_US> I had a hairy NAS failure a few weeks ago that I managed to recover from. I swapped out a drive without checking first that the existing redundant set had no errors. Well, on of them did.
14:53 <Halcyon> One of my disks is starting to fail
15:07 <Halcyon> I'm just hoping it holds up long enough for the price of larger SSDs to come down a bit more
15:32 <DHess_US> So then it was no longer redundant and I couldn't make it so. I had to copy everything off and restart it from scratch. I even managed to copy off the damaged files and recover them.
16:16 <DHess_US> I got the files off except for the damaged sectors by taking the drive with bad sectors and running it through a disk utility which rewrote every sector so the bad sectors got reallocated with bad data.
16:20 <Halcyon> I once stupidly locked myself out of my own encrypted volume
16:24 <Halcyon> Will never do that again
16:58 <DHess_US> Then since the files with the bad data where really big archives with redundancy data, I was able to recover them entirely.
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18:12 <DHess_US> But that wouldn't have worked if I had not been able to copy them off which wasn't possible with bad sectors. The NAS would disconnect the RAID if it could not recover a bad sector so I wouldn't get any of the file past that point.
18:37 <DHess_US> So rewriting the bad sectors with corrupted data saved everything.
19:32 <DHess_US> While I was copying everything off, I wished I had something faster than gigabit ethernet. It took days.
19:41 <Ampera> I wish all boards still had DIP mounted E/EEPROMS for BIOS flashing
19:50 <Ampera> because I have a tool for that now, and if something fucks up I can just reflash it
19:55 <DHess_US> I'd settle for socketed PLCCs.
20:30 <Ampera> I do actually have an Intel VS440FX board with a flash BIOS, but with a ROM that allows for a BIOS reflash even if the entire flash chip has been nuked
20:40 <DHess_US> Although before they switched to surface mount, most BIOSes stored using Flash were soldered in DIPs anyway.
20:50 <Ampera> no video, just load the image on a diskette, set it into a specific mode, and let it go
21:05 <DHess_US> Yea, Gigabyte had some motherboards like that with dual BIOSes. They might still.
21:31 <Halcyon> That's fairly common now across the board, consumer and enterprise
21:54 <DHess_US> Then for a while the BIOS boot block was separate from the rest so in theory it was possible to recover from a failure.
21:56 <Halcyon> Supermicro have a little switch on the board where if you hold it and power on the machine, it will re-flash the BIOS via a USB drive
22:03 <Ampera> This isn't a dual BIOS thing really, it's just enough code to read the diskette drive and write the BIOS. It might be on some of their other similar Slot 1 boards
22:05 <Halcyon> It's like a really low-level way of doing it
22:20 <DHess_US> Same result though.
22:26 <Ampera> but I still would now prefer a DIP E/EEPROM
23:04 <Halcyon> Dual-BIOS is generally seen on consumer boards. It doesn't fill me with confidence though, it obviously means they've had issues in the past and decided to keep using cheap components.
23:35 <Halcyon> EEPROM is usually seen on enterprise boards, it's slow to flash but its reliable.
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24:04 <DHess_US> Oh, I'd give them some slack and say they have to deal with computer neophites.
24:33 <DHess_US> EEPROM isn't any more reliable than NOR Flash.
24:35 <Ampera> Redundancy with identical performance is never a downgrade
24:50 <Halcyon> I do agree DHess_US -- One of the nicer things I've seen on modern consumer boards is the BIOS's ability to initialise the NIC and connect to the internet, retrieve its own BIOS and do everything for the user.
25:09 <Ampera> this cat is attacking me
25:17 <DHess_US> I think my Windows 10 test system will do that.
25:18 <Halcyon> You have a cat Ampera?
25:28 <Ampera> two, but this is my grandfather's kitten
25:37 <Ampera> now he's sticking his face in a pillow
26:36 <DHess_US> It's not attacking you. It is actually checking you for weaknesses it can exploit later to kill you.
26:41 <Ampera> what he does is sit right next to me, go belly up, and then tries to bite and claw me
27:24 <DHess_US> That's a warning saying, "I like you so I will kill you last like this."
27:36 <DHess_US> https://theoatmeal.com/misc/frame/cat_kill
27:45 <Halcyon> Stupid cats
28:12 <Ampera> that's the teapot calling the kettle black
29:06 <DHess_US> https://theoatmeal.com/static/kitty_pet.html
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30:53 <DHess_US> I don't know; cats seem pretty smart. They have enslaved the most advanced species on the planet to take care of their needs. Err, wait, maybe that was wheat. Neve rmind.
31:11 * Halcyon is a dog person
31:21 <Ampera> You're just a dog, leave it there.
32:32 <Halcyon> I've been called a dog cunt many times
32:35 <Halcyon> Also pig cunt
32:53 <Ampera> what about a fat cunt?
33:01 <Halcyon> Not really
33:07 <Halcyon> Except by a few gay friends
33:13 <Ampera> well fuck you and your fat cunt shoes
33:14 <Halcyon> Where anything over 65KG's is "fat"
33:25 <Ampera> the fuck is a KG
33:35 <Halcyon> Proper measurement of weight :P
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34:02 <WebChatUser74> HI
34:15 <Ampera> What happened to WebChatUser73?
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34:44 Nick: WebChatUser55 is now known as Dave__CAD
34:53 <Dave__CAD> is there anyone here?
35:11 <Dave__CAD> does anyone know why dave got banned from doing live youtube shows?
35:12 <Ampera> did we switch to a different web chat client or something?
35:25 <Ampera> check his Twitter, it probably says there, but I've forgotten
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35:33 <Dave__CAD> it didnt say
35:37 <Ampera> ah, that's just austnet's client
35:46 <Ampera> Halcyon, do you know?
36:06 <Dave__CAD> it pisses me off to no end how Youtube bullies Dave
36:06 <Halcyon> Do I know what?
36:14 <Ampera> why Dave is banned from streaming
36:17 <Dave__CAD> they should value and respect him more
36:18 <Halcyon> Yes
36:29 <Ampera> this m9 wants to know
36:43 <Halcyon> It's some BS Youtube policy, he got a strike against his profile for "Copyright infringement" and that's his punishment
36:48 <Halcyon> He did a video explaining it...
37:02 <Dave__CAD> youtube needs to make a concierge service for its silver and above channels that clearly have real people regularly making vids
37:21 <Ampera> YouTube needs to do a lot of things.
37:24 <Dave__CAD> to sort this shit out
37:31 <Dave__CAD> i mean, thats pretty high up there
37:40 <Dave__CAD> theyre a bunch of dickheads
37:42 <Halcyon> I can't find the video at the moment but yeh
37:43 <Ampera> Like stop having their web devs constantly fucking with the layout and actually getting on real issues
37:43 <Halcyon> It's bullshit
38:08 <Ampera> but they're an effective monopoly.
38:32 <Ampera> You can either go with them, or go with people who don't really compete
38:34 <Dave__CAD> im going to write anne wojicki a letter on his behalf
38:54 <Ampera> have fun then
38:55 <Dave__CAD> we should organize a campaign
39:12 <Dave__CAD> loyal fans sticking up for our guy dave
39:38 <Dave__CAD> real letters sent snail mail so we get her attention. i doubt many people do that
39:45 <Dave__CAD> mailbag her!
40:21 <Ampera> cbf tbh
40:51 <Ampera> don't really care to provide YouTube with more toilet paper, because even though they are full of shit, they don't exactly need to give a crap about anything in there.
41:13 <Halcyon> Who are we mailbagging ?
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41:50 <Ampera> youtube CEO susan wojackhammer
41:58 <Halcyon> Ampera, I'd love to see Dave go over to something like Vimeo
42:01 <Ampera> you really need to start to learn how to read
42:05 <Halcyon> However YouTube have the monopoly
42:12 <Ampera> issue with Vimeo is that you have to pay for the space you use
42:16 <Halcyon> Indeed
42:28 <Halcyon> But I actually prefer their platform and player
42:42 <Ampera> that and, as you stated, it's not about what platform you use, it's about who watches it.
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43:02 <Ampera> Honestly, I'd rather have the videos distributed ala bittorrent.
43:14 <Halcyon> Yes but that's just for clever people
43:30 <Ampera> have dave sign some advertising deals, stick them inlione
43:32 <Ampera> *inline
43:44 <Ampera> I more meant, in addition
44:05 <Halcyon> Ampera, have you checked out the Austnet webchat yet?
44:14 <Ampera> why
44:20 <Halcyon> Just because?
44:24 <Halcyon> It's better than KiwiIRC ?
44:31 <Halcyon> So you know what's going on
44:31 <Ampera> but I already have two different non-web IRC clients
44:33 <Dave__CAD> halcyon would u be down to mailbag susan wojack?
44:40 <Halcyon> Sure :P
44:45 <Dave__CAD> ampera apparently cant be bothered off his lazy arse
44:53 <Halcyon> Although no idea how much it costs to send a letter from AU to US
45:02 <Ampera> I don't have enough money to send a letter
45:20 <Ampera> I'm already struggling to pay for college, since New York are a load of twats
45:36 <Dave__CAD> probably the cost of a starbucks coffee
45:43 <Dave__CAD> ampera are u in aus or NYC?
45:52 <Ampera> neither
45:54 <Ampera> I'm in New York
46:03 <Dave__CAD> state
46:09 <Ampera> yes
46:16 <Ampera> I live near the capital of NY
46:28 <Ampera> but I'm currently staying in Connecticut.
46:41 <Dave__CAD> SUNY Albany?
46:44 <Halcyon> Heheh Connecticunt :P
46:58 <Ampera> fuck no, that's a school for morons
47:25 <Dave__CAD> skidmore?
47:37 <Dave__CAD> union?
47:39 <Ampera> won't say where I'm going because privacy, but something fucked up with NY's Excelsior program and I was declared ineligible because of some false information someone provided them
47:42 <Halcyon> Clown college ?
47:46 <Ampera> bingo halcyon
47:51 <Halcyon> Knew it
47:54 <Ampera> why are you asking, Dave__CAD
47:57 <Dave__CAD> rensaller?
48:10 <Dave__CAD> Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute (RPI)
48:15 <Ampera> no
48:18 <Halcyon> What's an Excelsior program?
48:24 <Ampera> Free tuition
48:29 <Dave__CAD> are u an illegal ampera?
48:33 <Ampera> what
48:34 <Halcyon> Right, and you can't correct the false info?
48:40 <Ampera> I can't, but they can
48:44 <Dave__CAD> illegal alien?
48:47 <Ampera> the issue is they aren't doing it, and are pretty much ignoring me
48:48 <Halcyon> What a load
49:10 <Dave__CAD> sounds like you might be a lazy guy who needs to get deported
49:14 <Halcyon> You can't appeal the decision and provide them with correct data?
49:14 <Ampera> so I might have to push my enrollment back /another/ semester, which might be worth it in the end to save money
49:15 <Dave__CAD> back to mexico
49:22 <Halcyon> I mean who the hell is someone else to provide info about it
49:24 <Halcyon> *you
49:26 <Ampera> I just did.
49:41 <Ampera> a few days ago, at the advice of their phone support, they haven't gotten back to me
49:43 <Dave__CAD> are u an illegal ampera?
49:50 <Ampera> Dave__CAD, why are you asking this shit?
49:52 <Halcyon> It's getting toasty in here, 31 C outside
49:59 <Dave__CAD> i mean it sounds like u are
50:05 <Dave__CAD> "someone reported me"
50:07 <Ampera> -5C Halcyon here
50:10 <Dave__CAD> "to the state program"
50:13 <Halcyon> Dave__CAD: Cool it a little, he clearly doesn't want to go into details.
50:19 <Ampera> I didn't say either of those things.
50:27 <Ampera> it's fine Halcyon
50:30 <Dave__CAD> sounds like u need to get reported to trump
50:32 <Dave__CAD> ICE
50:36 <Halcyon> ICE ?
50:42 <Ampera> border control agents
50:44 <Halcyon> Ah
50:59 <Dave__CAD> make america great again = deport ilegals
51:12 <Halcyon> Is that such a bad thing?
51:16 <Dave__CAD> nope
51:18 <Halcyon> If people can't come here legally...
51:21 <Dave__CAD> wonderful thing
51:23 <Halcyon> here = there
51:28 <Halcyon> also here = here
51:29 <Ampera> Dave__CAD, is there a point to what you're blathering on about?
51:33 <Dave__CAD> australia has its shit together
51:41 <Dave__CAD> wont let any illegals in
51:58 <Ampera> so that's why you just passed a bill allowing the government to force any developer to install backdoors for them
52:02 <Dave__CAD> you sounds really touchy aout it ampera, do u have something to hide?
52:18 <Ampera> I'd say my massive penis, but you're nowhere near gay enough for that.
52:30 <Dave__CAD> are u gay?
52:33 <Halcyon> But I am Ampera
52:49 <Dave__CAD> homophobe
52:51 <Ampera> The question, my dear Watson, is are you?
52:56 <Ampera> gay is not ok, ok?
52:58 <Halcyon> Ampera: Those laws won't really have any effect in reality
53:02 <Ampera> lol
53:07 <Ampera> Then why do they exist, Halcyon?
53:10 <Halcyon> It's just politicans making laws without any understanding.
53:16 <Halcyon> It was a rush job
53:25 <Dave__CAD> trump is gonna find u ampera
53:25 <Ampera> That's the same weak argument people used over here to defend the abolition of net neutrality.
53:28 <Halcyon> They've been on the cards for many years
53:33 <Dave__CAD> and put u on a plane where u came from
53:40 <Ampera> I come from Connecticut.
53:42 <Dave__CAD> TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP
53:42 <Halcyon> I'm not defending the laws, I think they should be re-written
53:49 <Halcyon> And this is coming from someone who works in Cyber crime
53:52 <Ampera> so it would be a very very short flight
54:06 <Ampera> how the hell do you rewrite a law like that?
54:12 <Dave__CAD> halcyon are u for border security?
54:12 <Ampera> the law shouldn't exist in the first place.
54:18 <Dave__CAD> stronger border security
54:32 <Ampera> Yeah, Halcyon, can't have those dingoes jumping the fence.
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54:56 <Halcyon> Well, introduce laws which prohibit people convicted of serious offences (murder, terrorism, child sex offenders etc...) from being able to use private messaging applications or strong encryption
55:01 <Halcyon> So do so would be an offence.
55:12 <Ampera> That is an awful law too.
55:15 <Halcyon> Why?
55:23 <Ampera> because they couldn't use the entire internet
55:23 <Halcyon> You rape kids, you don't deserve privacy
55:29 <Dave__CAD> agreed
55:32 <Ampera> or at least any website that mandates TLS
55:34 <Dave__CAD> bill cosby
55:48 <Dave__CAD> have u heard the latest news on neil degrasse tyson?
55:50 <Ampera> Everything is encrypted these days.
55:53 <Halcyon> Then mandate they use a specific ISP which does MITM attacks on SSL
55:57 <Dave__CAD> seems he's a sex pervet
56:04 <Dave__CAD> rape, molestation
56:15 <Ampera> What is the point of that if it's already encrypted?
56:15 <Dave__CAD> sounds like he needs to be locked away
56:37 <Halcyon> HTTPS/TLS doesn't guarantee safety, there are ways around that.
56:57 <Dave__CAD> do u guys like neil degrasse's shows?
56:59 <Ampera> my point is, anybody regardless of any reason should be allowed to communicate securely and privately for each other.
57:03 <Halcyon> No idea who he is Dave__CAD
57:11 <Halcyon> I disagree Ampera
57:19 <Ampera> Watching what people do should be reserved for true public situations, where anybody else can look at you as much as the next guy
57:21 <Dave__CAD> neil degrasse tyson is trying to be the new carl sagan
57:37 <Halcyon> You commit offences for which the death penalty SHOULD apply (but doesn't) you relinquish the right to privacy
57:45 <Ampera> like surveillance cameras or snooping unencrypted packets
57:59 <Dave__CAD> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neil_deGrasse_Tyson
58:01 <Halcyon> But that sort of stuff gets people who don't know any better
58:08 <Ampera> If the death penalty should apply, why are they either alive or not in prison?
58:11 <Halcyon> Good crooks avoid CCTV and plain text
58:25 <Ampera> A good crook would get around any law you set anyways
58:29 <Dave__CAD> do rapists deserve the death penalty? i think Bill Cosby ought to get it
58:42 <Halcyon> Sure, there is always a way around laws, but make it difficult for them
58:53 <Ampera> Dave__CAD, coming from a guy who is pretty edgy with what I go on about, perhaps tone your stuff back a little bit?
58:53 <Halcyon> Make the penalty much worse than just complying with the law
59:13 <Ampera> Then as an ex-con, what am I supposed to do with my life?
59:20 <Halcyon> Be good?
59:24 <Halcyon> Don't kill people
59:29 <Halcyon> Get a job
59:30 <Halcyon> etc..
59:31 <Ampera> I can't use encryption, meaning I'm not allowed to use any TLS enabled websites, or modern IM programs
59:44 <Halcyon> Ampera, clearly the law would be more complicated than that
59:44 <Ampera> I can't use any banking systems whatsoever, nor own a cellphone.
59:49 <Halcyon> I'm just saying
59:51 <Ampera> Then why did you write the law like that?
59:53 <Dave__CAD> rapist should get the electric chair
59:54 <Halcyon> I didn't
00:05 <damian> lol, joepublic?
00:07 <Dave__CAD> rapists deserve Magic Smoke
00:14 <Dave__CAD> have u guys seen magic smoke before?
00:15 <Ampera> Dave__CAD, please tone it back.
00:33 <Dave__CAD> huh?
00:33 <Halcyon> I'm just saying mass surveillance shouldn't be about watching the most amount of people, it should be about watching a small group of targeted people in as much detail as possible.
00:43 <Dave__CAD> are u a supporter of rapists ampera
00:58 <Ampera> Dave__CAD, I'm about to start getting oppy.
01:06 <Dave__CAD> huh
01:20 <Halcyon> Dave__CAD: If you're deliberately trying to troll, you're doing a good job, but please note, we try to be mature about it here.
01:31 <Halcyon> Carrying on like a pork chop will get you banned.
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01:51 <Dave__CAD> then ban me fag boy ampera
01:58 <Dave__CAD> cocksucker illegal alien
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02:08 <Dave__CAD> too lazy to support dave
02:14 <Dave__CAD> with a mail campaign
02:19 <Halcyon> Goodbye :) You've had multiple chances.
02:25 <Dave__CAD> bye fag
02:35 <Dave__CAD> FAGGOT
02:35 Kick: Dave__CAD was kicked by Ampera (Ampera)
02:43 <Ampera> lol
02:49 <IoTPanic> Constructive talk
02:52 <Halcyon> Indeed
03:02 <Halcyon> He shouldn't be bothering us anymore
03:13 <Ampera> unless he comes back, in which case he gets a ban
03:23 <IoTPanic> Literally the first thing I saw when I logged in XD
03:25 <damian> hey people are awake
03:34 <IoTPanic> Eh, not inside
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03:38 <Ampera> I'm neither a person nor awake.
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03:41 <Halcyon> damian: It's UTC+11, of course
03:50 <IoTPanic> UTC+5
03:56 <damian> any of you know of an LTE/3G/4G temperature sensor that can send at least SMS alerts, and hopefully email alerts too?
04:14 <IoTPanic> I mean, to buy or make?
04:18 <damian> i ended up finding a raspberry pi addon for 4g ... but it was $250US and i scoffed
04:23 <Ampera> USB thermometer attached to a cheap phone with some quick scripting?
04:29 <IoTPanic> Use like LoRaWAN or something
04:30 <damian> i could buy a $40 sierra wireless and make this happen, i just dont want to build it myself
04:31 <WebChatUser40> there are LTE sensors?
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04:36 <Halcyon> damian: We used to use a "Server room monitor" in our old premises. Not sure of the brand now but there are stacks of them.
04:37 <damian> ^^
04:50 <HurdyGurdyManSolly> i didn't know there were any LTE enabled sensors
04:51 <IoTPanic> And 3G IoT protocol is coming soon
04:54 <IoTPanic> That will be dope
05:00 <HurdyGurdyManSolly> u mean with a cell phone card?
05:05 <IoTPanic> Or is it 4G, idk.
05:09 <damian> yeah, that's exactly what i want it for. we just had an air conditioner fail and our serve rroom got over 50'C and started shutting everything down
05:21 <damian> so i want something separate from our IT infrastructure
05:27 <Ampera> Welcome back, Dave__CAD
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05:40 <damian> at the moment we use the UPS's, which sends email alerts only ..... but that's no good when it flies up quickly and servers shutdown, it cant email anything :P
05:47 <IoTPanic> damian Do you have another building like 3KM nearby?
05:52 <IoTPanic> Or closer
05:57 <HurdyGurdyManSolly> ampera youre a faggot
06:00 <HurdyGurdyManSolly> fuck u
06:03 <HurdyGurdyManSolly> up your asshole
06:04 <damian> our closes is 5km
06:08 <Halcyon> http://www.edac.com.au/alarm-diallers/
06:09 <HurdyGurdyManSolly> shove a cock up your ass
06:11 <Halcyon> You want something like those.
06:12 Mode: (by Ampera) +b *!*JoePublic@*.res.rr.com
06:13 Kick: HurdyGurdyManSolly was kicked by Ampera (Ampera)
06:18 <IoTPanic> There you go
06:37 <damian> that is some serious hardware for the use-case!
06:47 <Ampera> uhhh, not sure if that scope is correct for the situation
06:48 <IoTPanic> But thats what LoRaWAN is for though, your exact issue
06:51 <Halcyon> Just be careful about banning *.rr.com
06:58 <Halcyon> IoTPanic is using the same domain
07:03 <Ampera> yeah lemme undo that ban, one second
07:04 <IoTPanic> Dont ban
07:10 <damian> we are willing to spend a few hundred for it, because at the end of the day if it alerts us that our server room is on fire and we save it, it's worth thousands :P
07:10 <Halcyon> It seems to work OK
07:12 <IoTPanic> Its east coast USA
07:28 <Ampera> yeah, road runner, Spectrum, formally TWC
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07:41 <Ampera> alright nevermind, I guess that didn't do that
07:54 <IoTPanic> @damin check to see if you have LoRaWAN coverage in your area, because then all you need is a $40 sensor and a docker app to run in the cloud and send you an app
07:58 <Halcyon> You get a few trolls everywhere, they usually go away quite quickly.
07:59 Mode: (by Ampera) +b *!*@c7caf068.res.rr.com
07:59 Kick: LM555 was kicked by Ampera (Ampera)
08:04 <Ampera> THERE we go
08:04 <IoTPanic> damian If there isnt, it is cheap to make your own
08:12 <Halcyon> I suspect Dave__CAD is actually MrPacketHead
08:19 <Halcyon> He has an issue with the new channel
08:24 <Ampera> I doubt it
08:29 <IoTPanic> Halcyon What kind of issue?
08:34 <Ampera> damian, how do I undo that other ban?
08:48 <Halcyon> Damian, can you help our Ampera banning that host mask?
08:53 <Halcyon> *out
08:57 <damian> /chanop unban #EEVblog mask
09:27 Mode: (by ChanOP) -b *!*JoePublic@*.res.rr.com
09:35 <Ampera> thank you
09:38 <damian> no worries
09:50 <IoTPanic> My boss tried to use our new solder rework station to remove a mini-PCIe conenctor that was soldered on using high temp solder. Anyone want a laugh?
09:54 <Halcyon> It looks like he was using a VPN anyway
10:01 <damian> chanop also has a function to ban by @address only
10:05 <Halcyon> The IP changed between LM555 and Dave__CAD
10:10 <damian> if you /chanop ban #EEVblog user -banmask h
10:23 <damian> it'll ban just their hostname, so only them (and anyone on the same ip/host) will be affected
10:29 <Ampera> that's not the IP, that's just the username
10:30 <damian> save you from /whois then copy/paste address
10:46 <Ampera> I did a ban based off domain, so idk
10:51 <Ampera> the @address
10:51 <Halcyon> Ampera: They get the same user/hostmask if they connect via the same IP
11:06 <damian> just the @address Halcyon, the username they can change at will
11:18 <Halcyon> Right
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11:43 <ginger> faggots
11:49 <Ampera> now he has a VPN
11:51 <Halcyon> Just ignore him
11:57 <ginger> ampera ur a cocksucker
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12:02 Kick: ginger was kicked by Ampera (Ampera)
12:10 <Halcyon> Damian: Do you want an out of the box solution or develop it yourself?
12:13 <Ampera> I can do this all day.
12:20 <Halcyon> If you insist :)
12:25 <damian> Halcyon, out of the box would be preferred, that way i don't need to write up instructions if something fails
12:38 <damian> i plan on staying at this job for a long time, but you never know
13:02 <Halcyon> Something like this: https://avtech.com/Products/AVTECH_Environment_Temperature_Monitor_Model_Compare.htm
13:03 <Halcyon> ?
13:41 <damian> that's exactly what i'm lokoing for!
13:47 <DHess_US> I saw where someone wanted a phone update of the temperature of his outside grill so he just pionted a web cam at it.
13:50 <damian> but can i get them in australia for similar pricing
13:50 <Halcyon> They seem to have a good range of sensors too from temperature and humidity to motion, liquid levels etc...
13:59 <Halcyon> Oh yeah, you're on AU :P
14:02 <Halcyon> *in
14:24 <damian> oh wait, maybe not
14:29 <IoTPanic> I was thinking your needed something internet/power isolated
14:37 <damian> only RJ45, no SIM
14:38 <DHess_US> IotPanic, did he slag the connector?
14:40 <IoTPanic> Theres a lot of solutions like that
14:43 <Ampera> confirmed not mrpackethead
14:50 <Halcyon> Copy Ampera
14:54 <Halcyon> Thanks
14:59 <Ampera> mrpackethead is from new zealand, this guy is from east coast US
14:59 <IoTPanic> DHess_US Wdym?
15:02 <IoTPanic> Oh, yes
15:05 <Ampera> I imagine possibly around where I live.
15:10 <IoTPanic> It is a mess
15:15 <damian> IoTPanic, that's what we're after yeah. something that can be plugged into our normal power but has a backup battery, and uses mobile internet for internet, so even if everything in our server room drops off, it'll alert us
15:30 <Halcyon> I'm sure such a thing exists...
15:36 <IoTPanic> I have something
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15:41 <IoTPanic> Want me to PM you?
15:43 <damian> i'm sure it does as well, it has to right!
15:49 <WebChatUser77> g'day mates
15:55 <damian> who
15:59 <DHess_US> IoTPanic, I've removed and repaired similar connectors just using a standard soldering iron, solder braid, and flux.
16:12 <Halcyon> Most server rooms have redundant power, I guess if that runs out, you have bigger problems?
16:16 <IoTPanic> DHess_US Let me go get the link to the photo XD
16:25 <IoTPanic> Halcyon For real!
16:25 <DHess_US> IoTPanic, sure sure.
16:35 <damian> at the end of the day ic ould use the avtech devices and hit them up with some other technology
16:39 <WebChatUser77> has anyone ever made a laser microphone?
16:47 <damian> a basic 3G router with ethernet, a battery backup device, and it's made
16:50 <damian> but all in one would be fantastical
16:56 <IoTPanic> damian Hold on a moment
16:57 <Ampera> .ipvanish.com that's real legit
17:02 <Halcyon> Totes legit
17:04 * damian holds onto WebChatUser77
17:11 <IoTPanic> DHess_US https://twitter.com/IoTPanic/status/1071146369887453184
17:13 <Halcyon> WebChatUser77: Behave yourself and you can stay
17:35 <damian> nice avatar IoTPanic
17:59 <DHess_US> IoTPanic, I thought maybe it would just slump onto the board.
18:15 <Ampera> lol
18:27 <Ampera> that's about what happens whenever I try to solder anything that's not chunky through hole
18:36 <WebChatUser77> https://di.phncdn.com/videos/201311/28/20286831/original/(m=eaf8Ggaaaa)(mh=HYs35I59T7XlOCxG)9.jpg
18:46 <IoTPanic> damian Thank you. And can I have GPS coors for where your server room is vs the closest other source of internet/power you have access to? Or at least LOS status and distance
19:05 <Halcyon> Eww straight porn
19:09 <IoTPanic> DHess_US He was doing well, also pulled a ground plane somehow
19:18 <IoTPanic> Halcyon If you had just not reacted...
19:21 Mode: (by Ampera) +b *!*@7e68b7e4.ipvanish.com
19:21 Kick: WebChatUser77 was kicked by Ampera (Ampera)
19:31 <IoTPanic> Just kick him, dont let him get a reponse
19:32 <damian> LOS?
19:38 <IoTPanic> Line of sight
19:41 <DHess_US> A friend's kid knocked his laptop off of the table and it landed directly on the PCMCIA card which sheared the connector right off of the motherboard. I resoldered it for him.
19:42 <Halcyon> :P
19:45 <Halcyon> I shall ignore from now on
19:48 <Halcyon> Works with children
19:51 <Halcyon> Should work with him
19:52 <Ampera> was going to whip out my VPN in the even that was trying to get my IP to DDoS me, which has happened to me before, but some other sheep have decided to do that for me
19:58 <IoTPanic> Halcyon Exactly....
20:36 <Halcyon> damian: I'll try and find out what we use at work
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21:27 <damian> line of sight is 3.05km
21:35 <damian> that's our head office to head office
21:51 <IoTPanic> damian Totally in LoRaWAN range.... Would work really nice
22:07 <IoTPanic> You could even use TTN which means minimal coding
22:14 <DHess_US> Totally within range for something cheap from Ubiquiti.
22:19 <damian> what's the pricing like on something like that
22:27 <Halcyon> damian, do you also want it to "ping" your site remotely, i.e.: Not only get alerts from inside out, but if "inside" can't respond?
22:41 <IoTPanic> Halcyon Why would that matter?
22:44 <damian> nah Halcyon, we use a dedicated remote mpls endpoint for our internet
22:50 <Halcyon> If the building burns down?
22:51 <damian> so there's no point in pinging
23:07 <Halcyon> damian: I have a dealer account with a UBNT distributer in AUS
23:09 <damian> building burns down and internet will stay up from the external worlds point of view :P
23:13 <Halcyon> I can price you up some gear if you like?
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23:27 <damian> what's that for?
23:42 <Halcyon> Ubiquiti products
23:46 <Halcyon> Wireless links etc...
23:50 <damian> oh, you're both talking about using the secondary site to be the endpoint
24:10 <Halcyon> I wasn't originally
24:18 <IoTPanic> I was
24:26 <Ampera> https://prnt.sc/ls8k9b
24:31 <Ampera> Halcyon, how's my wlan?
24:47 <Halcyon> Looks OK? Why?
24:52 <IoTPanic> All you need is a Pi, $30 radio, and a $40 sensor.
24:56 <Ampera> that's my grandfather's wlan
25:03 <IoTPanic> Almost no server fee
25:13 <damian> i guess it's possible. both of the networks are actually the same network via mpls, but they do use the remote endpoint for internet access. i'm not entirely sure if we allow dns out of the network from anything but our DC's though, which might cause an issue
25:14 <IoTPanic> Just for your app which your could run on the same pi
25:59 <damian> i know the ubnt devices (beam hardware) needs an actual line-of-sight to work properly, there's quite a few large buidlings in between our two premises, it's in an up'n'coming building area
26:10 <IoTPanic> not for LoRaWAN....
26:14 <damian> oh really
26:16 <IoTPanic> Due to its spread spectrum
26:23 <IoTPanic> And Chriping encoding
26:28 <damian> interesting
26:30 <IoTPanic> And white noise randomness
26:32 <IoTPanic> etc
26:41 <IoTPanic> Works a treat
26:41 <Halcyon> ~1Gbps WLAN isn't out of the ordinary Ampera
26:49 <Halcyon> In fact it's pretty standard these days
26:59 <Ampera> it's damned impressive to my eyes
27:01 <IoTPanic> Halcyon Tell that to east coast USA
27:08 <Ampera> which are used to seeing 54mbps link speeds on things
27:17 <damian> 1gbit wlan is standard in domestic, not corporate though
27:18 <damian> :'(
27:18 <Halcyon> Maybe in 2004
27:47 <IoTPanic> Halcyon My internet is 100Mpbs down, fastest residential in my area, and there IS fiber optics everywhere
28:06 <DHess_US> damian, depending on geometry line of sight can include reflections. This works especially well when dual polarization is used.
28:16 <Ampera> IoTPanic, I have 940/880 at home
28:18 <damian> that's pretty awesome
28:24 <damian> i'll have to have a look into it all and see what goes
28:25 <DHess_US> So big buildings can be an advantage.
28:26 <Halcyon> The current Ubiquiti gear goes up to 1.7 Gbps over 5 GHz
28:32 * Ampera laughs at Halcyon in cable
28:43 <Ampera> Interesting, because this is a Ubiquiti AP
28:44 <damian> the more we're talking, the more i'm thinking an ethernet based temperature sensor + 3g router would just do the trick, even if it looks poxy
28:44 <coppice> Ampera: 54Mbps (802.11g speed) is still about all most people get most of the time, as you need a really strong signal to get the speeds the kit is capable of
28:46 <Halcyon> And I think over 4 Gbps with multiple radios
28:52 <IoTPanic> I mean, I thought you wanted to know temp, not full 1.7 GBPS internet
28:58 <IoTPanic> Jesus
29:26 <DHess_US> It is important to monitor temperature on a nanosecond by nanosecond basis.
29:33 <Halcyon> Don't forget though that Wi-Fi is half-duplex. An 800 Mbps link is realistically 400 Mbps downstream.
29:36 <damian> nanosecond
29:55 <IoTPanic> On a space telescope sure
30:16 <Halcyon> Even fire systems don't sample temperature that quickly
30:22 <Halcyon> It's usually over ten's of seconds
30:32 <IoTPanic> I think we all are a little miscommunicating XD
30:38 <IoTPanic> Or just me
30:39 <Halcyon> I think so
30:46 <Halcyon> No, we're all guilty
30:54 <IoTPanic> So can I ask some really basic questions to clarify for all of us?
31:12 <DHess_US> Halcyon, no, that's just you Australians.
31:12 <IoTPanic> Without people adding to until we know what problem we are solving
31:28 <Halcyon> IoTPanic: I was mainly talking to Ampera :)
31:45 <IoTPanic> Ah, okay, Im all confused.
31:54 <IoTPanic> I will stop talking
31:56 <Ampera> what
31:59 <Ampera> idk what is going on anymore
32:10 <Halcyon> No, please continue. You were talking to damian about server room monitoring
32:13 <Halcyon> I was talking Wi-Fi
32:38 <Halcyon> Ahh FFS, back shortly, forgot to reboot the stupid cloud key
33:49 <Ampera> I have a question, since EM radiation consists of both light and radio waves, does that mean that radio is the propagation of photons?
34:20 <IoTPanic> Ah, yes. So basically there is this wireless protocol called LoRaWAN which is super long rang, low power, low bitrate. There is already open source software written so all you need is a cheap gateway and device. There is a cloud service called the things network that works with it directly. People use it for sensor applications where a sensor doesn
34:21 <IoTPanic> 't require a nigh speed internet connection, you just want a tempature
34:57 <IoTPanic> Works well for places where you are uncertain of or lacking power and internet but have it somewhere relatively close
35:05 <IoTPanic> Used in like bee hive monitoring and power monitors
35:21 <IoTPanic> And security, which is what my company uses it for
35:24 <Halcyon> IoTPanic: I think damian just wants a box to monitor sensors on its own, but then if they creep outside a certain range, an alert is sent so further investigation can be conducted.
35:45 <damian> exactly
35:52 <IoTPanic> I was under the impression he wanted temp, but actually funny you mention that
36:09 <damian> at the moment, temperature is our concern
36:13 <Halcyon> Yes, temp. So he can set a "normal range" then anything beyond that, someone gets notified
36:14 <DHess_US> Ampera, yes. And all of the usual rules apply as far as being a partical-wave.
36:20 <Halcyon> Inside the normal range, who cares?
36:30 <IoTPanic> You can either attach a GPS sensor, or use a second gateway and basically through the magic of radio you make your own GPS network basically and can geolocate
36:38 <Ampera> Alright, I presumed as much, I just wasn't sure.
36:47 * Ampera starts listening to The Kinks
37:19 <IoTPanic> Ah. It works really well for anything, temp, locating property
37:39 <IoTPanic> anything
37:45 <coppice> Do we need to iron out the kinks?
38:06 <Halcyon> Don't mind Ampera, he is just being kinky
38:12 <IoTPanic> ;)
38:26 * Ampera banishes Halcyon to the Village Green forever
38:39 * Halcyon toddles off
39:33 <Halcyon> I should update my UBNT firmware while I'm logged in...
40:03 <Ampera> That's one letter off from being an anagram for cunt.
40:14 <Halcyon> Yup :P
40:38 <Halcyon> We should do a game of CAH soon
40:49 <Halcyon> DogWomble: You alive?
40:52 <Halcyon> Or are you working?
42:53 <Halcyon> 33C outside now
43:12 <Ampera> -6C/20F
43:26 <IoTPanic> -7
43:28 <IoTPanic> C
43:34 <Halcyon> Fark that
43:39 <IoTPanic> MAINE USA BABY
43:54 <Ampera> It doesn't drop below 0 all week, but I've seen temperatures at my home as low as -20F/-30C
44:14 <IoTPanic> I WILL MILK THEM TREES AND PLAY CARDS WITH THE ELKS. And jesus Ampera even we arent at that quite yet
44:41 <Ampera> What part of the US?
44:46 <IoTPanic> Maine
44:52 <IoTPanic> 2nd most northern
44:53 <Ampera> Huh, and I'm in New York.
45:02 <IoTPanic> Dont come see the damn trees
45:05 <IoTPanic> I swear to god
45:12 <Ampera> My grandfather was born in Maine.
45:17 <IoTPanic> There you go
45:46 <IoTPanic> New yorkers are a bit of a joke around here every fall. But you prolly know that
46:03 <Ampera> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dt2mdIzWwAY3fS4.jpg
46:09 <Ampera> speaking of New York, I just found that on Twitter.
46:20 <Ampera> why are we a joke?
46:21 <IoTPanic> Although, its winter now, time really flies. And yes
46:37 <IoTPanic> Because you ALL come up here to see the trees. SO many new yorkers.
47:07 <Ampera> I've never spent a night outside of New York, Massachusetts, and Connecticut.
47:20 * Ampera throws long state names at Halcyon
47:21 <Halcyon> Time for air conditioning I think
47:22 <IoTPanic> And other states, but most notably new york. And realy?
47:27 <IoTPanic> Jeez
47:45 <Halcyon> Like Schenectady ?
47:53 <Ampera> lol
47:59 <Ampera> that's a city.
48:10 <Halcyon> It still sounds funny
48:13 <IoTPanic> In new york state, but new york is also a city
48:18 <IoTPanic> Because merica
48:24 <coppice> Ampera: I've never spent a night in Connecticut, so we differ in that way
48:33 <Ampera> however no place name ever beats llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch
48:47 <Halcyon> And Ampera is officially spergy :P
48:54 <IoTPanic> Had to google it
48:57 <IoTPanic> Wow
49:00 <IoTPanic> Real place
49:07 <Halcyon> You know what's ever stanger?
49:07 <Ampera> this cat is biting his tail
49:17 <damian> have to head out, i'll read all of your above stuff when i get back
49:17 <Halcyon> Ampera can pronounce it IRL
49:24 <Ampera> was about to say I can actually say that.
49:25 <damian> damn social engagements
49:29 <Halcyon> Damian: Don't bother, it's mostly nonsense :P
49:30 <Ampera> let me see if I have the recording I made around
49:45 <damian> my life would be so much better if i was married to a robot who made me food and did me sexual favours and i could order everything online
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50:01 <Halcyon> damian: That's why guys are awesome :P
50:05 <IoTPanic> https://twitter.com/BookSwapSteve/status/1069603266995109888
50:05 <Halcyon> I love cooking
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50:18 <damian> i hope you're not trying to sway me
50:18 <IoTPanic> #SolarRoadways
50:26 <Halcyon> That's up to you :P Just saying
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50:56 <IoTPanic> Flirt level 100
51:12 <Ampera> I do not, let me make one real quick
51:12 <IoTPanic> xbox notification
51:13 * Halcyon blushes
51:15 <damian> i almost /kill'd WebChatUser because i thought it was me
51:16 <damian> awks
51:17 * Ampera runs off to download Audacity
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51:45 <IoTPanic> How do you do the star thing? I never use chatrooms
51:58 <Ampera> do /me
51:59 <Halcyon> Type /me [things]
52:11 * IoTPanic figures it out
52:50 <Halcyon> \o/
53:28 <IoTPanic> I wish I would stop getting commercials about Alexa, I bought an Echo dot and you can figure out the rest
53:51 <IoTPanic> Almost as annoying as a cat
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54:07 <Halcyon> Hah
54:17 <DHess_US> At least a cat only tries to kill you instead of enslaving you.
54:22 <Halcyon> So IoTPanic are you a member of the forum?
54:36 <IoTPanic> Halcyon I believe I technically am
54:43 <IoTPanic> Not an active member, active viewer
54:49 <Halcyon> Close enough :)
54:52 <Halcyon> Welcome
55:00 <IoTPanic> Thank you.
55:42 <IoTPanic> I logged into here with a link... I want to see if I can add this chatroom to Franz
55:51 <Halcyon> Franz ?
56:34 <IoTPanic> Yeah, its so nice.... It is a app where you connect twitter, slack, email, irc, messenger, whatsapp, etc in one place
56:39 <IoTPanic> And calender, really help me
56:39 <Halcyon> Ahh yes
56:49 <Halcyon> Did you manage to make it work?
57:02 <IoTPanic> And its free, unlike Slate. And I found a IRC app, so I just need the server info
57:16 <Halcyon> Are you currently using the web client?
57:53 <IoTPanic> Yes
58:01 <Halcyon> irc.austnet.org is the server address
58:11 <IoTPanic> Thank you
58:11 <Halcyon> Port 6667 (or 6697 for SSL)
58:31 <IoTPanic> I will use SSL, thank you for including both like a champ
58:33 <Ampera> IoTPanic, Halcyon: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1jHC6KsqMJtRIlBZaUEdWWBfNVIsjmril/view?usp=sharing
58:49 <Halcyon> Ampera: I've heard you say it many times :P
59:08 <Ampera> maybe I tagged you just to annoy you
59:17 <Halcyon> You failed
59:18 <Halcyon> :D
59:27 * Halcyon reboots his access points
59:27 <IoTPanic> Hold on
59:48 <IoTPanic> Well, there you go
59:52 <IoTPanic> Long word
59:55 <IoTPanic> Dont wanna spell it
59:58 <IoTPanic> Or say it
00:02 <IoTPanic> Ill leave that to you
00:17 <Ampera> I once tried to recall the spelling from memory and was only off by 3 letters
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00:52 <Halcyon> \o/
01:11 * IoTPanic_ came back in Franz
01:22 <Halcyon> Seems to work OK
01:25 <IoTPanic_> Yeah
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01:50 Nick: IoTPanic_ is now known as IoTPanic
02:23 <IoTPanic> Its WebIRC though
02:31 <IoTPanic> Free trial for 7 days...
02:32 <IoTPanic> hmm
02:34 <ServalSpots> Oh my, busy night
02:43 <Halcyon> Hey ServalSpots
02:52 <ServalSpots> Halcyon \o/
02:55 <ServalSpots> how goes?
03:21 <Halcyon> Yeh good mate. It's Saturday here... 30-something degrees, I'm a few glasses of wine down and life is great
03:22 <Halcyon> You?
03:52 * Ampera uses HexChat and WeeChat
04:01 <Halcyon> UrineChat
04:21 <ServalSpots> Hoping to find something to do for a few hours before going to sleep. Might end up just grabbing a book or something
04:22 <coppice> urine for a treet with that one
04:49 <IoTPanic> Sadly I am on windows, does hex and weechat run on windows?
05:01 <Halcyon> We could always tee up a game of Cards against humanity ServalSpots ?
05:05 <IoTPanic> I never used weechat but hexchat Ive only used on linux
05:10 <Halcyon> IoTPanic: I believe HexChat does
05:18 <Halcyon> But otherwise on Windows I just use mIRC
05:33 <IoTPanic> Windows == Garbage
05:42 <Halcyon> It does now, yes. I refuse to use Windows 10
05:43 <Halcyon> https://hexchat.github.io/downloads.html
05:48 <IoTPanic> I absolutly hate it
05:57 <Ampera> HexChat runs on Windows, which I am using right now
05:58 <Halcyon> It's horrid. I'm forced to use it at work.
06:09 <Ampera> and I'm also using Windows 10 right now, it's not that bad
06:14 <IoTPanic> Half the time I get frustrated and spin up a Fedora VM.
06:23 <IoTPanic> @Ampera You are a lucky one
06:29 <Ampera> I like Linux better, but until GNU/Linux for tablets gets less suck, I intend to keep Windows.
06:30 <Halcyon> I switched to pure Linux about 6-8 months ago
06:34 <Halcyon> Haven't looked back
06:39 <ServalSpots> Halcyon: Ah, I would jump into some CAH if it were going
06:39 <IoTPanic> A crash a day keeps windows... soething
06:43 <IoTPanic> something**
06:50 <ServalSpots> Bleh, I really do need to get a mic set up
06:59 <Halcyon> Ampera: Hook up a game of CAH ? I have abut 15 minutes before my neighbour comes over
07:06 <Halcyon> I need to help him with a RPi issue
07:10 <Ampera> We have the next best thing, ServalSpots, we have a Mike setup.
07:15 <Halcyon> ServalSpots: Yes, ideally.
07:17 <IoTPanic> Best kind of issue, a pi issue
07:17 <Halcyon> I just use my phone
07:21 <Ampera> well we can't do a game of cards in 15 minutes
07:21 <Halcyon> Mmm pi
07:29 <IoTPanic> Mmmmm,, 3.14
07:30 <Ampera> so we could do it after I guess
07:32 <Halcyon> Just make it first to 5 or something ?
07:45 <Ampera> not gonna happen, it would take 15 minutes just to get everyone situated
07:55 <ServalSpots> Probably true :/
07:57 <Halcyon> Oh FFS, just set up a game, it takes what it takes
08:04 <Ampera> alright
08:06 <Halcyon> Next door can wait :) I'll pour him a beverage
08:09 <ServalSpots> hah
08:24 <Halcyon> Actually I need a refill, we using your discord server Ampera?
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08:28 <Halcyon> IoTPanic: You in for a game?
08:33 <Ampera> yeah sure
08:41 <IoTPanic> Oh?
08:44 <IoTPanic> Of? **
08:46 <IoTPanic> Jesus
08:50 <IoTPanic> Cannot speak or talk today
08:55 <IoTPanic> TYPE or talk
08:56 <IoTPanic> god
09:12 <Halcyon> Cards against humanity (online)
09:22 <IoTPanic> I would enjoy that
09:23 <Halcyon> You just need a web browser and Discord (for voice chat)
09:42 <IoTPanic> I will redownload discord because 2014 just called
09:50 <Halcyon> :)
10:02 <Halcyon> I'm not a fan either but Ampera insists :P
10:15 <Ampera> technical issues on my end, discord might be pissed about a new router I installed, one second
10:32 <IoTPanic> Lol, I never thought discord would last honestly, but that just proves why I dont have a successful piece of software everyone uses
10:52 <IoTPanic> I think its the other way around
10:54 * Halcyon uses Signal for most things
11:11 <IoTPanic> Discord should just be using IPv4 or 6 which is a standard XD
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11:25 <Ampera> nvm, it was fine
12:06 <Ampera> https://xyzzy.clrtd.com/zy/gameold.jsp#game=0 pass: watermelon
12:33 <Ampera> T3sl4, cards against humanity?
13:25 <Ampera> IoTPanic, do you want to join into the Discord?
13:38 <IoTPanic> I JUST logged in and was gonna ask
13:39 <IoTPanic> hit me
13:55 <Ampera> let me dm you a link
15:43 <IoTPanic> Im in
16:16 <Ampera> join the voice channel
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39:26 <Halcyon> Nom chilli
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36:33 <Halcyon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gj9hMPW7GiQ
36:35 <Halcyon> ROFL
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53:08 <Ampera> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toast_sandwich
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53:25 <Halcyon> Whaaaaat
53:33 <Halcyon> I honestly did not know that was a thing
54:30 <Halcyon> I kind of want to try it now
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55:23 <Ampera> There's a very good reason you didn't know that was a thing.
55:34 <Halcyon> Because it's just bread and butter?
58:46 <Ampera> that's not a toast sandwich
58:55 <Ampera> you take two slices of bread, and then stick a slice of toast between them
59:00 <Ampera> that's it
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42:20 <BurtyB> hmm toast sarnies is crazy talk
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