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10:32 <IoTPanic> Morning
11:37 <IoTPanic> Can someone else see if this domain will resolve for them? http://riot.galiotsystems.com/
12:14 <Ampera> No resolution, NY/Albany
12:21 <K> ** server can't find riot.galiotsystems.com: NXDOMAIN
12:51 <IoTPanic> ughghghgh
12:59 <IoTPanic> It SHOULD work
13:16 <Ampera> did you wait for the TTL to elapse?
13:31 <Ampera> even if it's something like a five second TTL, it ususally will take longer, especially if you're throwing it a new IP
13:50 <IoTPanic> I set it yesterday and if I go to any DNS tool it brings up the correct results, and its not a A record
13:56 <IoTPanic> No IP to point to
14:25 <Ampera> in other news, DOW and S&P 500 seem to be eating shit
14:34 <Ampera> apparently that's what everyone with a name I've never heard of is saying
14:47 <IoTPanic> Shocker, a trade war wasent good for the economy
15:06 <IoTPanic> Plus a lot of other stuff
15:25 <Ampera> People are saying S&P 500 is in bear market (or will be), and Dow is down 500 points
15:47 <IoTPanic> Wait until China hits it's first major recession.
15:53 <IoTPanic> 500 points will be NOTHIN
15:58 <Ampera> and that this is on track to be the worst december since the Great Depression.
16:06 <IoTPanic> Really? Wow
16:32 <Ampera> sounds like a good time to spend mild, potentially expendable money in a diverse arrange of high brass stocks.
17:00 <Ampera> perhaps I'll look into it.
17:21 <IoTPanic> Sounds like a good time to invest in another currency or gold
18:03 <Ampera> Nah, if shit is about to hit the fan 1930's style, Trump will be out of the white house before you can say cheeto dust.
18:28 <K> bbut trade wars are easy
19:40 <Ampera> Gotta love it when one of the morning's Twitter trends is titled "Great Depression"
19:50 <IoTPanic> what a fucking dimwhistle
20:12 <Ampera> NYSE opens in 8 minutes, if I had popcorn, I'd get it and watch the fireworks
21:19 <IoTPanic> What is NYSE?
21:27 <IoTPanic> Oh
21:30 <IoTPanic> Nevermind
21:36 <IoTPanic> Still waking up
23:22 <IoTPanic> I have no idea how Im even chatting rn, my free trial of IRCCloud finished two days ago
25:07 <IoTPanic> @Ampera have you seen that cage around the RAM before? https://youtu.be/737dCFBqO4I?t=274
25:18 <IoTPanic> around RAM before***
25:57 <Ampera> Yeah, I've seen stuff like that.
26:17 <Ampera> Not specifically in that configuraiton, but my iMac G3 has similar metal mesh/caging
26:59 <IoTPanic> Huh, and why the fuck cant you install linux on a new mac mini? That is retarded
27:24 <Ampera> because of a security chip cucking drive access
27:42 <Ampera> Apparently Windows is alright (otherwise how would they have gotten Windows benches), so maybe Linux world can figure it out
27:59 <Ampera> or people can just not buy that overpriced underpowered slagbox.
28:20 <IoTPanic> That is a gorgeous machine, too bad Tim Crook soldered on the storage and put a operating system you need to dig into settings before installing a program not from the app store. And Windows is actually supported officially by Apple
28:46 <IoTPanic> With that weird program name I cant ever name
29:00 <Ampera> Gorgeous? It's a black box.
29:18 <Ampera> also the storage is socketed, you just can't replace it because of encryption
29:22 <Ampera> unless I'm mistaken
29:26 <IoTPanic> Ohh
29:42 <IoTPanic> And I think it looks nice, one if their better designs
29:48 <IoTPanic> Best design recently
29:52 <IoTPanic> And its literally a box
29:59 <Ampera> S&P 500 down 2% right out of the gate.
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53:04 <Ampera> The market seems to be rebounding
53:26 <Ampera> Dow up 316 points, S&P up .75%
03:33 <IoTPanic> Yeah, been keeping up on Google
15:33 <mattinx> Ampera: Secureboot?
23:56 <IoTPanic> Are you talking about the T2 drive encryption with the mac @mattinx or different conversation?
24:59 <mattinx> with the mac
03:16 <IoTPanic> You can RUN linux on a USB, can't install it tho
17:14 <coppice> Oh your god. I checked the S&P and the world isn't ending.
17:33 <IoTPanic> Not yet
18:42 <coppice> In fact, I'm wealthier now...... although less wealthy than a couple of days ago
55:01 <MrMobodies> It is raining again.
55:34 <MrMobodies> ohh sorry misread something.
56:01 <MrMobodies> Anyone had an experience with serial port servers?
01:59 <IoTPanic> Why?
02:04 <IoTPanic> A tiny bit
03:30 <MrMobodies> MOXA port DE-311 works straight out the box but issues with industrial plotters. I read it was a known issue. Lantronix UDS 2100 Terrible redirector and causes certain things to hang.
04:21 <MrMobodies> I was just experimenting on them just now.
05:41 <MrMobodies> I ordered some different ones just to see how they are going to behave.
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12:06 <IoTPanic> Yeah, thats what I would do... If its a known issue anyway
12:28 <IoTPanic> Wouldnt the world be great if everyone fallowed standards like theyre supposed to?
13:01 <coppice> Is this an RTS/CTS flow control issue? You see a lot of quirks with those
13:07 <IoTPanic> ^
13:51 <IoTPanic> When you say certain things hang, what specifically?
15:12 <coppice> Wall St bankers?
21:22 <IoTPanic> Lmao
21:34 <IoTPanic> God forbid they dont get their money
22:56 <DHess_US> What do you call 100 bankers burried to their necks in sand? Lack of sand.
38:40 <MrMobodies> One of them was Logview studio. As soon as you look at ports it quits. I uninstalled the redirector and the problem has gone.
38:47 <MrMobodies> I have found something that works
39:32 <MrMobodies> CPR instead of redirector.
42:37 <MrMobodies> It seems a lot quicker now and very little cput time only 1% instead of 7% and there were delays in Logview 2 with Redirector.
43:15 <MrMobodies> I'll take this over tomorrow and try with the plotter.
45:55 <MrMobodies> Also the serial ports wern't always showing up before like on Logview 2 with redirector had to tick "Linux Compatible"
57:29 <MrMobodies> Speaking of standards, have you ever come across floppy and IDE ribbons cables where the plugs were the other way around and you had try and really get in the connector?
37:22 <Halcyon> Morning all
45:04 <DHess_US> You mean reversed from one side of the cable to the other?
45:36 <DHess_US> Some IDC connectors have a strain relief which can be optionally used to flip the connector over.
49:33 <Ampera> It just struck me funny that people were doom and glooming over it
24:01 <DHess_US> Just before the great depression, market indictors indicated increasing wealth. That is *not* what S&P is measuring.
41:41 <coppice> DHess_US: things look good by most measures just before every big downturn
44:07 <coppice> When the stock markets drop heavily it usually double dips - its dives, rises again, and then drops and drops and drops
45:15 <Ampera> well let's see if it's going to drop again, I guess
19:32 <DHess_US> That is because the measures say what the people publishing them want them to say.
20:56 <DHess_US> The people who have the education to understand an economy lack the authority to do so despite usually being held responsible. The people who have the authority to do so lack the education and responsiblity.
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05:14 <Guest|24377> What is everyone working on today?
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23:35 <coppice> The same thing we do every night, Pinky - try to take over the world!
35:56 <IoTPanic> Trying to get a docker container on AWS to connect to a Redis instance
58:16 <Chipguy> Shaking my head in disbelieve about the coding of my former colleague
58:43 <Chipguy> Only that much detail: He took "hardware abstraction" to the moon and back
35:41 <coppice> abstract hardware has so many less limitations than real hardware
44:39 <DHess_US> Nobody can top me. I used built in compiler functons in such a way as to get them banned. After that, I misused IF and FOR to get them banned also but the compiler team caught on.
58:17 <Chipguy> well, this abstraction went too far
58:33 <Chipguy> its like for another processsor
00:48 <Chipguy> misusing a compiler eh.... thats unusual
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25:31 <Ampera> I'm working on listening to music.
29:59 <IoTPanic> Working on?
30:05 <Ampera> aye
30:11 <IoTPanic> Real challenge that music stuff
30:19 <Ampera> mmm, is delicious music
30:22 <Ampera> I love the Kinks.
30:32 <IoTPanic> I know
36:23 <IoTPanic> Wow, you made me go through a really weird thought process that brought me to calculating how much spotify would pay per month today if they used AWS S3. That was weird and I dont wish to do that again
39:07 <IoTPanic> $2,960 per month not including requests and without smart tiering price reduction and with that volume you usually get better pricing and thats mirrored in all major regions in case anyone was wondering
41:18 <coppice> I love the kink where she... oh, never mind
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29:45 <cappicard> good evening :)
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51:42 <ThunderSqueak> -.- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e45Vvoeqilg
14:38 <DHess_US> Yea, the pistol sized gun safes are usually pretty terrible.
15:19 <DHess_US> At least the ones I see all use the same mechanical pushbutton lock.
16:03 <ThunderSqueak> I like mechanical locks, but...
16:13 <ThunderSqueak> that keyed entry is a complete flaw
17:47 <DHess_US> In a law enforcement situation, keyed locks are also a problem because keys are what you have instead of what you know.
18:07 <DHess_US> I have a mechanical lock pistol safe bolted ot the floor of my pickup.
18:27 <DHess_US> If it had a key lock, then it could be searched after a traffic stop without a warrant.
19:06 <ThunderSqueak> yeah, it just annoys me to no end
20:43 <ThunderSqueak> the question is, should I make that video public about such a huge flaw in it... a shitty lock
21:16 <DHess_US> Absolutely, yes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Luwnb4ZhjRw
22:27 <ThunderSqueak> rofl
22:57 <DHess_US> <MrGlitch> most safes short of bank vaults are not proof against tool using primates
25:30 <ThunderSqueak> the comment on that video is sad but funny
26:50 <DHess_US> New York city isn't far from that.
27:15 <DHess_US> There is currently a lawsuit over it.
27:15 <ThunderSqueak> I learned to pick locks when I was 7 years old
27:37 <DHess_US> I learned to use a cutting torch when I was 16.
27:47 <ThunderSqueak> learned to use that when I was 10
27:52 <ThunderSqueak> and a plasma cutter
27:54 <ThunderSqueak> XD
28:20 <cappicard> This is frightening! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCCp7j6W6sU
28:22 <ThunderSqueak> but, seriously... I could probably pick that lock with a paperclip
28:55 <cappicard> I just tried it with my safe... i'm replacing this safe immediately
29:07 <ThunderSqueak> cappicard, you know those big safes they sell... sentry...
29:13 <ThunderSqueak> you can open those with a magnet
29:20 <cappicard> i'm able to just use my nail clippers...
29:25 <cappicard> just a magnet?
29:36 <cappicard> a refridgerator magnet?
30:02 <ThunderSqueak> this video he is using one you can get off ebay https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mN90RTwXX5E
30:27 <ThunderSqueak> it is tripping an actuator
32:13 <cappicard> i can't use my safe to safely store my firearm.
32:29 <DHess_US> I can't either. It isn't big enough.
33:07 <cappicard> my safe is big enough to store my 92 and 3 magazines.
33:28 <cappicard> but after seeing how easy it is to pick it with my nail clippers...
34:00 <DHess_US> Offhand I do not know of any "good" pistol safes and anything with a key backup is suspect.
35:09 <DHess_US> I've seen people use security lockers with a good padlock which are probably better.
36:21 <DHess_US> Huh, apparnetly DEFCON did safes a few years ago.
36:54 <DHess_US> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Yr6ATdaDQ8
36:59 <DHess_US> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48HUctXZUNw
38:39 <cappicard> i have never used that idiotic cable lock that came with my gun.
39:35 <cappicard> i just have it in my closet
40:18 <DHess_US> I have a couple of mine in locked briefcases.
47:53 <DHess_US> Ah, Deviant Ollam. He does a lot of lock stuff.
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33:10 * Ampera awakens
41:41 * Halcyon arrives from work
42:16 <Halcyon> Aww its all stormy
42:21 <Halcyon> I bet my power will go out
43:56 <Ampera> lol
44:19 <Ampera> Our power is rock steady in this city, I cound only around 3 major outages personally experienced in the last 12 years
44:42 <Ampera> with only one lasting over 1 day, which was when a big ice storm pretty much took out the entire city's power grid for a week.
46:15 <Halcyon> The problem is a lot of our lines are above ground, especially the main feeders
46:20 <Halcyon> Lightining hit them all the time
46:22 <Ampera> So are ours.
46:37 <Ampera> In fact all of our lines are above ground, with the only possible exception being downtown.
47:00 <Halcyon> I'll monitor at this stage but might have to shut stuff down
47:08 <Ampera> but what do you expect? All the electrons are falling out because you're all upside down!
47:09 <Halcyon> My server rack isn't behind a UPS at the moment
47:49 <Halcyon> Although some of the strikes are getting a little close for comfort
47:57 <Halcyon> I've had stuff fry before, it's not fun
48:35 <Ampera> How effective are surge protectors?
48:41 <Halcyon> Against lightning?
48:44 <Halcyon> Not very
49:06 <Ampera> We have maybe a handful of lightning storms a year, they aren't common.
49:14 <Halcyon> We've had 3 this week
49:18 <Halcyon> It's just summer
49:23 <Ampera> We ususally just get very calm rain, that goes hellfire for 5 minutes at a time, and then dies down, multiple times a day.
49:35 <Ampera> rarely any lightning.
49:38 <Halcyon> It's really difficult to protect against a direct lightning strike
49:57 <Halcyon> I'm going to shutdown until it passes, shouldn't be too long :)
50:05 <Ampera> This include IRC?
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50:11 <Ampera> I guess my question has been answerd.
50:20 <Ampera> *answered
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21:20 <Halcyon> Yes, that was a good idea to unplug everything
21:31 <Ampera> Everything eat shit?
21:51 <Halcyon> About 5 minutes after, lightning hit something nearby, took out power and VDSL sync
22:29 <Ampera> Nice.
22:39 <Ampera> I'm playing Saint's Row the Third.
22:59 <Halcyon> It's still stormy outside but I think the worst has passed
23:39 <Halcyon> Or did I speak too soon?.....
24:27 Quit: ServalSpots ([email protected]) Quit: WeeChat 1.9.1
24:41 <Halcyon> Hehe UrineChat :P
40:29 <Ampera> You're in a good mood, Halcyon.
43:03 <Halcyon> I'm always in a good mood
43:18 <Ampera> So am I, but my good moods are very dangerous.
43:36 <Halcyon> :P
46:08 <Halcyon> I need to wee wee
46:16 <Ampera> so do I
46:21 <Halcyon> Race ya :P
47:09 <Halcyon> Finished :D
48:35 <Ampera> didn't see the challenge
48:42 <Halcyon> I was just being silly
49:00 <Ampera> I thought that was a universal given for you.
49:13 <Halcyon> Sometimes
50:09 <Halcyon> How the hell can two identical SLA batteries from APC, with two different part numbers be so different in price
50:16 <Halcyon> One is $55, the other is $140
50:23 <Halcyon> Exactly the same battery
50:48 <Halcyon> https://www.bdcservices.com.au/rbc2-apc-premium-replacement-battery-cartridge-2.html
50:48 <Ampera> Yes, but which one is new and which one is refurbished/recycled/used
50:52 <Halcyon> https://www.bdcservices.com.au/rbc17-apc-premium-replacement-battery-cartridge-17.html
50:55 <Halcyon> Both are new
50:58 <Halcyon> Both from the same supplier
51:16 <Halcyon> And I know they are the same because I have both UPSs
51:36 <Halcyon> Same voltage, same capacity, same physical size
51:50 <Ampera> I unno, just get the cheap one then
52:05 <Halcyon> Fucking dumb
52:18 <Halcyon> It's just on APCs site in the specs, one takes an RBC17, the other an RBC2
02:41 <Halcyon> DogWomble: I can't send you a PM back, I haven't identified and CBF logging into KeePass :P
02:51 <DogWomble> :P
06:04 <Ampera> Halcyon, it's cold.
06:09 <Halcyon> Nawww
06:16 <Halcyon> No kitty to keep your feet warm ?
06:45 <Ampera> I meant outside, we have such things as furnaces.
06:51 <Ampera> 19F/-7C
06:57 <Halcyon> Yeh that's brisk
07:05 <Halcyon> Its 20C here at the moment
07:19 <Ampera> I've seen it way colder, with the lowest I've ever seen it get being -30C in the daytime.
08:13 <Halcyon> I think the lowest it has got to at my place (that I've observed) is about -4 ish
08:53 <Ampera> To be honest, I've missed the cold.
09:03 <Ampera> It doesn't get that kinda cold, and not this early in New England.
09:04 <Halcyon> I like it cold when I'm sleeping
09:29 <Halcyon> When I say cold, about 16-18C is nice sleeping temperature indoors
10:08 <Ampera> Indoors good sleeping temperature is around 60F
10:20 <Halcyon> Real units please :P
10:21 <Ampera> 15.5C
10:23 <Halcyon> Thanks
10:24 <Halcyon> :)
10:28 <Ampera> dumbass :P
11:12 <Halcyon> American :P
11:19 <Ampera> YOU TAKE THAT BACK
11:24 <Halcyon> Heh
11:47 <Halcyon> Although the Royals are giving you guys a run for your money. It's like a shitty soap opera.
12:05 <Ampera> The KC Royals?
12:15 <Halcyon> Queen Lizzie et. al.
12:17 <Ampera> OH, the United Kingom
12:21 <Ampera> sorry, thinking of baseball
12:48 <DogWomble> our politicians aren't much better either
13:06 <Halcyon> No, but at least we can vote our politicians out
13:13 <Halcyon> The Royal family just "is"
13:19 <Halcyon> Reminds me of North Korea :P
13:26 <Ampera> Your politicians are awful, you can't carry swiss army knives on the street.
13:33 <Halcyon> *rolls eyes8
13:48 <DogWomble> Remember to check your smoke alarm batteries each time we change prime minister
13:55 <Halcyon> Always do :)
14:22 <Halcyon> In fact I do it on April fools day, just so I remember :P
14:34 <Ampera> I don't believe you.
14:44 <DogWomble> pics or it didn't happen
14:45 <Halcyon> Why not?
14:54 <Halcyon> Pics of me changing smoke alarm batteries?
15:02 <Ampera> No, just pics of you in general.
15:07 <Halcyon> You've seen me
15:12 <Ampera> no I actually haven't
15:15 <Ampera> and neither have you seen me
15:19 <Halcyon> I have seen you
15:23 <Ampera> nani?
15:31 <Halcyon> You've send me photos before
15:36 <Halcyon> You just never remember
15:37 <Ampera> nani? x2
15:39 <DogWomble> i don't think i have seen you :P
15:44 <Ampera> the fuck is remembering
15:51 <DogWomble> what is this "remembering " thing?
15:52 <Halcyon> Gawd, do you want me to send you both one?
16:18 <Ampera> I think I might have sent you a picture when I did L(s)D, but that was years ago.
18:30 <Ampera> sent y'all some mugshots.
24:20 <Halcyon> Just sent you a photo Tim
24:24 <Halcyon> I'm on the left
24:47 <Halcyon> Last photo I saw of you Ampera you had boofy hair
25:05 <Ampera> Yeah, that was probably 2-3 years ago
26:15 <Halcyon> I sent you one on Signal Ampera
26:26 <Ampera> gdi
26:32 <Halcyon> :)
30:37 <Ampera> alright, after performing the satanic ritual required to connect my phone to the internet
30:43 <Ampera> you look like a man down under.
30:58 <Halcyon> Hah
31:06 <Halcyon> OK?
31:23 <Ampera> did you see the one I just sent you?
31:33 <Halcyon> On my phone?
31:39 <Ampera> on IRC
31:45 <Halcyon> Of you?
31:48 <Ampera> if you want a newer one I can take one
31:49 <Ampera> yes.
31:56 <Halcyon> Yes, hence my comment about your hair
32:04 <Ampera> ah
32:07 <Ampera> let me take one real quick....
32:14 <Halcyon> Sure
32:22 <Ampera> with a not-potato camera
32:37 <DogWomble> a premium potato?
32:55 <Ampera> Nah, I have since upgraded to a toaster.
33:09 <Halcyon> I'll send you one of me when I was 21
36:22 <Ampera> alright I have one sufficiently insane.
36:53 <Halcyon> Heh
39:20 <Ampera> You look like the kinda guy who would ride a skateboard down handrails, wear your baseball cap back to front, tag 2 kool 4 skool on the sides of buildings unironically, and star in an ITV computing show in the 90's.
39:53 <Ampera> Now prepare to have nightmares, Halcyon.
39:59 <Halcyon> ROFL
40:08 <Halcyon> I have never had that before, but I'll take it
40:32 <Halcyon> You look exacrtly the same as before
40:38 <Halcyon> Except you look happy
40:58 <Ampera> That's the look of a person who is dead inside.
41:12 <Halcyon> I don't buy it :P
41:25 <Ampera> Gen Z baby, the suicide generation!
41:25 <Halcyon> You're just a 26 year old trapped in a young persons body
41:40 <DogWomble> i've been dead inside for years :P
41:46 <Ampera> I'm just a trap.
43:08 <Halcyon> Oh Tim, I bought a UPS off ebay
43:10 <Halcyon> :)
43:17 <Halcyon> 3kVa
43:28 <DogWomble> nice :D
43:32 <DogWomble> i'm tempted to get one myself
43:41 <Ampera> who's delivering it?
43:46 <Halcyon> My father picked it up
43:52 <Ampera> awwww
43:54 <MrMobodies> How much did it cost?
43:54 <Halcyon> I just got to go get it from my parents place
44:00 <Halcyon> $460
44:03 <Ampera> would be more amusing if it was being delivered by UPS.
44:05 <DogWomble> i doubt it'll get used much, but once every year or two i get brief power outages
44:09 <MrMobodies> Sine wave?
44:18 <Halcyon> Yeh, it's an APC Smart UPS X
44:48 <Ampera> https://gyazo.com/dd66f7c1b7e96b8213cc134ff2fbfb62 Ahh, Twitter, I do enjoy thee.
44:52 <Halcyon> https://www.apc.com/shop/au/en/products/APC-Smart-UPS-X-3000VA-Rack-Tower-LCD-200-240V/P-SMX3000RMHV2U?isCurrentSite=true
44:56 <MrMobodies> They seem the best out there.
45:11 <DogWomble> although i do wonder how the hell my place hasn't burnt down, my last pwoer outage was caused by my master circuit breaker going pop with a rather sizable scorch amrk
45:16 <Halcyon> The battery pack it in is a bit old, I just need to order a new one
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46:24 <Halcyon> Tim: If you want, I have an APC Back-UPS RS 1500 VA unit with an extended battery pack you can have for nothing if you like
46:27 <Halcyon> It just needs new batteries
46:44 <DogWomble> that sounds like it could work :)
46:52 <DogWomble> how much are the batteries?
46:57 <Halcyon> Just looking now
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47:24 <ET> I have created an electronics technician formula sheet is there anything else that i could add to it ? https://ufile.io/yhsnc
47:26 <Halcyon> https://www.bdcservices.com.au/catalogsearch/result/?q=RBC33
47:45 <DogWomble> that's not as much as i was expecting
47:53 <Halcyon> That's for the main unit, not sure if the ones in the extended runtime unit are replaceable. I suspect not, but they would just use standard size SLA packs
48:02 <Halcyon> I'm sure if you pulled it apart you could retrofit new ones
48:26 <Halcyon> https://www.apc.com/products/runtimegraph/runtime_graph.cfm?base_sku=BR1500I&chartSize=large
48:38 <Halcyon> That's the runtime chart for both with and without the extended pack
48:52 <Ampera> That's neat, in NY I can open carry an unloaded rifle without a permit (not in NYC)
49:19 <Ampera> can't carry a pistol, though.
49:47 <Halcyon> Good, at least your laws are somewhat, half-sensible
49:56 <Halcyon> Albeit archaic
50:09 <Ampera> There are some states where you can full open carry a loaded anything without any permit.
50:32 <MrMobodies> "Dare go out with a pistol lighter and you'll be met with armed response" is what I was told.
50:35 <Halcyon> But yeh if you're interested in it, you can have it. I'm in Canberra not this weekend coming but the following
50:48 <ET> I have created an electronics technician formula sheet. Is there anything else that i could add to it ? https://ufile.io/yhsnc
51:59 <MrMobodies> Thank you! some useful information on a pdf some of which I have been looking for.
52:08 <DogWomble> i definitely would be Halcyon
52:19 <Halcyon> Otherwise if its too big, I have smaller units
52:26 <Halcyon> 650 and 420 watts respectively
52:37 <Halcyon> Actually I have 2x 420W APC units
52:40 <Halcyon> Whatever works for you
52:49 <ET> what other info should i add to it
53:12 <DogWomble> well i'm thinking having one would be a good emergency backup for my CPAP
53:31 <Halcyon> I see one issue with that though
53:37 <DogWomble> what's that?
53:41 <Halcyon> They aren't silent when the power goes out
54:00 <DogWomble> that's not necessarily a bad thing
54:00 <Halcyon> Not only will you get transformer hum, but the "on-battery" alarm isn't exactly quiet
54:06 <MrMobodies> Oh yes the beeping sound I use t get with the 300's
54:17 <MrMobodies> APC 300' ssorry
54:47 <MrMobodies> I had one where the battery didn't work and that went off too.
55:10 <Halcyon> It's probably scare the crap out of you in the middle of the night
55:26 <MrMobodies> I mean the alarm. It was in an office and nobody could work.
55:39 <DogWomble> i actually replaced my smoke alarm a year or two back mainly because the old one had a false alarm at 4AM, which is possibly an indication it was at the end of it's life
55:50 <DogWomble> on the plus side, i know if it were a real emergency it's going to wake me up
56:26 <Halcyon> Yeh smoke alarm batteries never warn you at a reasonable hour
56:42 <Halcyon> Battery voltage drops as the temperature drops
56:42 <DogWomble> well mine's hard wired with battery backup
56:53 <Halcyon> They all are now, it's mandatory
57:04 <Halcyon> But it'll still warn you of a low battery at 0200
57:21 <MrMobodies> I know in buildings they have to use braided cables for fire and control.
57:26 <DogWomble> yeah, though the silver lining is that i know it's going to wake me up :)
57:33 <Halcyon> MrMobodies: These are in homes
57:41 <MrMobodies> Oh
57:43 <MrMobodies> sorry
57:49 <Halcyon> Mains powered, battery backed smoke alarms have been mandatory here for a while now
58:10 <Halcyon> There is even a push to have them made mandatory in every bedroom
58:10 <Ampera> Now that's funny, in New York, you're allowed to own a pistol, but you're not allowed to transport it without a may-issue concealed carry permit, regardless of if it's loaded
58:34 <Ampera> however I can own an M1 Garand, strap it on my back, and walk around the streets with it unloaded.
58:37 <MrMobodies> The councils put them in 2 years ago and where I worked they had lots of complaints abotut he trunking
59:14 <Halcyon> Yeh commercial and industrial fire detection systems are much more elaborate and involved
59:15 <MrMobodies> for Council homes and flats
59:21 <ET> Is anyone gonna give me some feed back about the pdf
59:43 <Halcyon> In anything larger than a regular home, you'll have mimic panels etc...
00:02 <Halcyon> ET: I'm not an Electronics Engineer, so I can't help you too much
00:36 <MrMobodies> I am not an engineer but I like it.
00:47 <MrMobodies> It has some useful stuff about electrons
01:15 <ET> its for electronics technician not engineer
01:16 <MrMobodies> and some maths about capacitance
01:28 <Halcyon> Also, is it just a coincidence that both Mike Jeavons and Ashens did a video yesterday on the same "Christmas" chips?
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09:54 <WebChatUser> hi
10:01 <DogWomble> hi :)
10:59 <Ampera> hi
12:57 <Halcyon> hi
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13:49 <Halcyon> bye
16:50 <Ampera> you think we weren't inclusive enough?
17:49 <DogWomble> #include <IRCGreetingBot.h>
18:39 <Ampera> that better be used in a C program
18:45 <Ampera> none of this OOPsie C++ bullshit.
18:59 <Halcyon> Ampera, if you want to do something useful
19:08 <Halcyon> Work out how to broadcast Dave's twitter feed in here
20:03 <Ampera> I've already figured that out.
20:07 <Halcyon> Well...
20:18 <Halcyon> I have the username EEVBlog registered
20:23 <Halcyon> Let's get it going
20:27 <Ampera> I go to his Twitter feed, and plop the tweet in here myself :P
20:32 <Halcyon> Oh FFS
21:46 <Ampera> I'll see what I can do, maybe there's some simple IRC bot framework something I can whip up.
22:03 <Halcyon> From what I've seen, they require the use of APIs
22:06 <Ampera> also, Halcyon, did you get rid of the stats link in the topic?
22:12 <Halcyon> I have a Twitter account registered
22:23 <Halcyon> No, the topic was blank so I reset it back to what it was
22:24 <Ampera> I can always just use my account to get an API hook.
23:06 <Halcyon> If you get the twitterbot thing working, add your stats thingo in as a daily reminder or something
23:21 <Ampera> manger de la merde
23:33 <Ampera> it's not mine, but I'll see what I can do.
24:20 <Ampera> okay what the fuck
24:33 <Ampera> do I need to do that through the stupid bot?
24:40 <Halcyon> It has topic protection on
24:48 <Halcyon> Ill change it later
26:32 <Ampera> well eat shit
26:57 <Halcyon> I have to login and my password is in my database and mehhhhh
27:20 <Ampera> well why did you set the protection so high?
27:34 <Halcyon> Because I didn't think there was a need to change the topic
27:42 <Halcyon> And it disappeared once before
29:34 <Ampera> well we add things like channel stats, and might want bot output there
29:54 <Ampera> and I have no clue who made it disappear, I didn't do anything.
29:57 <Halcyon> Seriously though, did you want to take a crack at the Twitter thing?
30:05 <Ampera> I'm looking into it right now.
30:11 <Halcyon> I'll email you the creds
30:59 <Ampera> This looks like it will be easy to implement, I'll start with the, I presume, easy part of having a C program talk to IRC.
31:23 <Halcyon> Sent
31:39 <Halcyon> We chose the EEVBlog username so it can be generic and used for other bots and things down the track
31:41 <Ampera> http://www.ulduzsoft.com/libircclient/ this looks neat
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36:31 <Halcyon> Nice
36:35 <Halcyon> The VHOST works :D
36:58 <Ampera> Log off it, I'm going to stick it on my ZNC.
37:08 <Halcyon> Standby, just setting nick protection
37:56 <Ampera> how do I do passwords on austnet? Is it simply the password, or is there something more?
40:06 <Halcyon> To identify to nickop/
40:08 <Halcyon> ?
40:20 <Ampera> yeah, but to do so upon connect
40:33 <Ampera> since you have the name reservation.
40:33 <Halcyon> It would be a client-side thing
40:38 <Ampera> no shit, sherlock
40:38 <Halcyon> Depends on the client you use
40:43 <Ampera> no it doesn't
40:55 <Halcyon> I don't understand the question then?
40:59 <Halcyon> The command doesn't change
41:03 <Ampera> password fields are nearly universal across IRC clients, some do some special things, but I need to know how to format the password to auth upon join
41:05 <Ampera> damian, how do
41:18 <Halcyon> Just add the line to identify upon connect to ZNC?
41:21 <Ampera> because I recall simply sticking my password in, and it not working
42:14 <Ampera> well let's see if this works then, one second
42:21 <Halcyon> Just add the line /msg nickop identify [password] somewhere
44:07 <Ampera> ah, you're gonna have to log off the account.
44:15 <Halcyon> Give me a moment, just fixing up something
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45:48 <Halcyon> OK all yours
45:51 <Ampera> danke
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48:52 <EEVBlog> Well, the password didn't work like that, so maybe I'll have to look into autoexec commands...
49:03 <EEVBlog> suggestion though
49:07 Nick: EEVBlog is now known as EEVBot
49:13 <EEVBot> so people don't think this bot is dave
49:28 <Halcyon> Most people won't
49:36 <Ampera> want me to switch it back?
49:40 <Halcyon> And if they do, they would be talking to themselves
49:41 <Halcyon> Yes please
49:46 Nick: EEVBot is now known as EEVBlog
49:50 <Halcyon> That way the Twitter "messages" come from EEVBlog
50:21 <Halcyon> damian: You around?
50:41 <Halcyon> Also how nice is it of them to set up the vhost for eevblog.com
50:46 <Halcyon> So professional :P
51:12 <MrMobodies> Yes reminds me of an IRC I once hosted some games.
52:33 Quit: EEVBlog ([email protected]) Quit: %The bot went SPROING!%
52:38 <Halcyon> ROFL
52:45 <Halcyon> I like that
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52:54 <Ampera> those percent signs shoudln't be there...
53:30 <Ampera> automatic auth works now
53:35 <MrMobodies> eEVBLOG "Real name: A bot by Ampera"
53:36 <Halcyon> I need to work out how to auto-voice the user though
53:45 <Halcyon> Good work Ampera
53:55 <Ampera> I should have also fixed the drop out message
53:59 Quit: EEVBlog ([email protected]) Quit: The bot went SPROING!
54:03 <Halcyon> \o/
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54:28 <Ampera> that changing hosts thing is a bit odd, though
54:55 <Ampera> now the magic is to get this implemented in C...
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57:24 <Ampera> nani?
57:27 <MrMobodies> "Toasted Sandwiches"
57:31 <Ampera> how set
57:44 <DogWomble> toasted sandwiches sound yum
58:10 <MrMobodies> ham pickle and tomatoes.
58:57 <Halcyon> Ampera, can you jump over to the EEVblog user and type `accept in the channel
59:09 <steve30> morning
59:12 <EEVBlog> do what
59:16 <EEVBlog> `acceot
59:19 <EEVBlog> `accept
59:34 <Halcyon> Hmm or was it something else
59:36 <Halcyon> Hey Steve :)
59:38 <EEVBlog> no work
00:10 <MrMobodies> I'm having a great day...
00:42 <MrMobodies> sorry just a joek.
01:17 Mode: (by ChanOP) +o EEVBlog
01:20 <EEVBlog> Eyyyyy
01:26 <Halcyon> Oh it does work
01:36 <EEVBlog> do /chanop confirm #EEVBlog <nick>
02:04 Mode: (by ChanOP) -o EEVBlog
02:06 <Halcyon> Can you quit the channel and come back in
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02:22 Mode: (by ChanOP) +ov EEVBlog EEVBlog
02:25 <Halcyon> \o/
02:28 <+EEVBlog> autoop then
02:35 <+EEVBlog> what does voice do
02:37 <Halcyon> Don't need a list full of ops
02:55 <Halcyon> Voice users can chat in the channel if for some reason it's locked down to only allow voice/ops to chat
03:50 <+EEVBlog> ah
04:29 <Halcyon> O
04:31 <Halcyon> I
04:38 <Halcyon> I'll just turn Auto OP off
04:39 <Ampera> agreed
04:44 <Halcyon> It doesn't need to be an OP
04:44 <Ampera> aight
04:48 <Ampera> aight
05:26 <Halcyon> OK try that now
05:43 <Halcyon> (Leave/rejoin)
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06:33 <Halcyon> Cool
06:36 <Ampera> eyyy
07:05 <Halcyon> The rest is up to you now :)
07:29 <Halcyon> I have set up an API thingo already on that twitter account I sent you
07:46 <Halcyon> You just need to login and grab the code things
07:50 <Ampera> aight, I first need to connect to an IRC server using C
07:54 <Ampera> which I am close to doing.
08:29 <Halcyon> Also, what do you think of making the twitter posts come up in Bold
08:31 <Halcyon> ?
09:51 <Ampera> I can look into it.
10:16 <Halcyon> I'll leave you with it
11:12 <Halcyon> I'll be on the phone if you need me
11:32 <Ampera> well fuck
11:36 <Halcyon> ?
11:37 <Ampera> deleted all the code I wrote. :P
11:43 <Halcyon> Dickhead
22:51 <MrMobodies> Ahh I see. EEVlog with the Voice symbol
23:03 <MrMobodies> In the other I can't remember the name
23:10 <MrMobodies> They had a #jail channel.
24:45 <MrMobodies> when there was disagreement they locked the channel and the offender was automatically joined into #jail for the dos attack.
26:04 <MrMobodies> God this message EEVBlog: 307: has identified to services
26:29 <EEVBlog> What?
27:11 <MrMobodies> I got this message from EEVBlog bot: "307: has identified to services"
27:29 <MrMobodies> I dont believe I sent a message to it. Just looked up info.
28:06 <Ampera> I didn't do anything.
29:09 <MrMobodies> Nevermind. When I click info on "EEVBlog" which I did comes up with "307: has identified to services"
40:53 <MrMobodies> I'll be back in a minute.
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59:28 <MrMobodies> I am seeing spikes over 1 second
59:30 <MrMobodies> https://i.imgur.com/45Jtc7b.jpg
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